John Rich HUMBLES Jordan Peterson About Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Jordan Peterson sits down with country singer John Rich, and John takes this opportunity to press him about his religious beliefs and then urges him to let go of his intellectualism and to humbly trust in Jesus.
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"The 👑GREATEST MAN in HISTORY"
had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today!
"His name is JESUS❤"
Beautifully said 👏 ❤️
Well Said !
Greatest teacher in history
I love this comment.
Again, well said.
As Christians, we actually GET to die!! The main thing we all need to look forward to: meeting our Savior Jesus Christ face to face!! He saved us, He loves us and He cleanses us from all our sins!!! Hallelujah!!!
The truth is we are already dead in Jesus on the cross some 2000 years ago. Would we really believe this, Reckoning our flesh, our deeds, our desires all dead? Oh Lord Jesus, you are our hope, our life, our perfect sacrifice. You perfected our faith because we couldn't. What Grace! What Mercy! Truly our flesh is all dead and your Spirit lives in us. Let us not walk in the flesh but in the Spirit. And one day we will finally put off the corruptible and put on the incorruptible. Yes! Looking forward to my dying, even my death right now. Hallelujah!
We don’t celebrate death, it’s still a cursed world
JESUS said we are just sleeping. Those in Him cannot die because He is Eternal. After burial Jesus went down to preach to the spirits ( souls). Obviously they were also alive. The soul, like it's Creator, is Eternal. That's why those whose souls are in hell suffer , as JESUS SAID, "ETERNAL damnation. " Please read/study the Bible. God does not want us to live in the dark. Let's find and follow the LIGHT. "THOSE WITH EYES, LET THEM SEE. " THOSE WITH EARS, LET THEM HEAR." Amen
Amen and Amen!!!@@foreverinChristify Amen
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John Rich truly is an example of “the practical-son”. I learned so much about him, while listening to an interview he did with Tucker Carlson recently. I believe John is following God’s lead at this time in his life. God bless these two wonderful men, I will be praying for both of them.
Practical son? Wym
probably autocorrect & meant The Prodigal son.
John Rich will lead a lot of folks away from Christ with his condescending tone.
@@TheNaroCroc I dunno about that. Christ Himself called people "children of their father, the devil" among other things, in love of course. Truth hurts but lies kill.
God is using Jordan and John in exactly the way God wants to use them.
Love John Rich and am learning so much about Jesus through John’s passion and love ! Pray for Jordon and everyone seeking the Truth ! 🙏🏼
If u haven't, chk out the interview he did with Tucker.
@@JiggyGnorrusI watched, great.
I think JP is taking it more serious that 99% of people which is why he does not willy nilly say yeah i believe. He is on another level mentally and the truth is so frightening. God knows his heart. Wouldnt worry about JP for a second.
The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you *confess with your mouth* the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:8-9
You can over think. And miss your blessing because of it. Faith is all we need. Sometimes we won't understand something but our faith will guide us.
I love Jordan Peterson's beautiful honesty. I am sure so does our Blessed Lord.
I would, he's in bed with Zionists. Traitors
Seeking truth is actually seeking God.
Most christianity is superficial. This doesn't fit for JP.
It is not Christ AND me.
It is Christ OR me.
So that if any one [is] in Christ, [that one is] a new creature; old things have passed away; behold,
all things have become new.
To become a Christian is live changing.
I follow Jordan Peterson and often listen to his conversation with others. Jaiden you said in this video you do not know what he is scared of. It is exactly what gave him notoriety and the platform. It is his intellectual capabilities, his beautiful mind, his God given gifts, that he does not want to surrender. He often destroys others with the wisdom of the bible making atheist and intellectual's look foolish that they believing that nothing created something and how they try to create meaning from nothing. But at the end, Jordan is going have to be honest, and have to accept Jesus Christ as His Master and Savior which will effectively Kill Jordan Peterson. Like Saul to Paul, like Simon to Peter... we have to die and be born a new.
All of this talk about breaking down and slaves and masters what it sounds like to me is that I’m in a BDSM club. It seems like you people love suffering for its own sake I don’t like any of those desert gods in the Abraham religion and they’re not western gods these are Middle Eastern warrior gods and I have zero interest in following a warrior God that calls me dirty and filth just because I was born, yeah, hard pass
Really interesting interview. For ages I thought something wasn’t quite right with Jordan Peterson. Saying all the right things but lacking conviction and commitment. I think you hit the nail on the head there. He’s like the rich young man who said I’ve done everything what else can I do. Give your wealth away and follow me. Jordan Peterson wealth is his intellect and fame- and he’s not willing to lose it and submit to the Lord. Maybe one day…
Very interesting to watch his journey. Still there’s alarm bells ringing. We also have to be wary of the Angel of Light. Let’s see which he is in time.
Very well said. That is exactly right.
Jordan to Danjoe
+1 I'll bet that is EXACTLY where JBP is in the movie right now
Mr Peterson maintains control of his soul and his earthly life with logic and intelligence. In order to surrender himself, die to himself, he has to not be in control, which is probably very terrifying for him, like a free fall. To surrender takes genuine faith.
Faith starts at the edge of understanding.
Very well said
That and pride. You can't know God in an academic way
Sure you can.... don't try to limit how God can express himself to his people @@Hurtin_Albertan
God has a purpose for Jordan that is beyond your understanding, so surrender to that...
Dang. John Rich was speaking TRUTH! That was awesome to see.
Please help Me pray for my three Sons. They need to be saved. God bless You.
💓🥹AMEN!🕊💖👋😌🙏z!
I plead the Blood of Jesus upon your 3 sons n entire family, Heavenly Father you said that all knees will bow down to you, this is your will, I claim it will come to pass with these 3 sons, immediately in Jesus name. We need your mercy n your power to remove the scales from their eyes. Amen Than you Father.
Praying for your 3 sons and you. ❤
Praying for them and God bless them!! “Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.” 1 Peter 5:7
I sure will. I claim the victory in Jesus name.
I’m gonna be honest, daily prayer is the most effective way to truly develop your relationship with God.
Please pray for me. I've felt mostly disconnected from the holy spirit.
@@Eli-s1w Need to find a priest ❤️
@@Eli-s1w
Jesus said, You must be born again. John 3:3-8. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit." Verses 3:5-6.
Born again is regeneration. Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary online.
'Regeneration means; Reproduction, the act of producing anew. In theology, New birth by the grace of God, that change by which the will and natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme
love to God and his law, or holy affections, are implanted in the heart.' Implanted.
Humbling isn't it. We cannot do that. So who does God look to? the humble and contrite ones. Psalm 34:18 and Isaiah 57:15.
Ask God to send the Holy Spirit to you, Luke 11:13. He will bring your sins to mind. As he does ask Jesus to forgive you. This will be painful, PRIDE HATES IT.
When you see your desperate need (Jeremish 17:9) for a Saviour, call out to Jesus to save you. He came to save sinners.
Then do as the risen Jesus commanded, be baptized. Matthew 28:18-20, in the water of repentance Mark 1:1-5, Matthew 3:6. Calling on the name of the Lord, Romans 10:9-13. How? As Peter preached Acts 2:21, 38 and as Paul did, Acts 22:16, Acts 19:1-5.
Think on Mark 16:16, 2 Peter 3:9, Romans 6:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Colossians 2:6-15.
When He has regenerated you, you will desire Him. Read His inspired word, the Authorized Version, the King James Bible. The Spirit of truth will lead you into all truth. His word strengthens, washes (as does His powerful blood). His word reads you Hebrews 4:12. Daily bible reading and prayer is essential in building on the foundation which is Christ Jesus.
PS. The other apostles were already baptized, they baptized others. John 4:1-2.
Read His preserved word, the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible.
@@Eli-s1wPray, also, for yourself - for the Lord to have mercy on you. Grab a prayer rope and start saying the Jesus Prayer. It is very simple. Pray without ceasing! ❤
@@millier.206where in the Bible does it tell you that you must have a priest to act as a conduit between you and the Lord? I have never been able to find it. Tradition vs scripture
This is Jordan's journey with God and nobody else's. The Lord pursues him and his heart!
Might we not see Jordan Peterson's 'terror' as being exactly what is recommended in Philippians 2:12 - "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"?
Jordan is right, he takes religion seriously. The fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom. Jordan realise somthing all christians can learn from. When you understand you and take this serisouly, a healthy fear of the truth is only human. With all do respect it seems the cowboy isnt getting what jordan is saying. Never met a born again who was afraid first to let go of the world, acknowledging this fear is first step to overcoming it. Let Jordan go through his fear, I have faith he would come out other side. Actually jordan seems far more biblical then the cowboys "what you have to fear' argument. Jonah, Moses , the apostles, job, etc all feared letting go, all fear God. But fear is not the end of the story is the begining, its good Jordan is afraid, it means he understands, perhaps more then the cowboy. Jordan has far more understanding then maany christians I know who seem to have no fear of the lord at all, fear leads understanding and understanding lead away feom sin and too christ. Perhaps this lack of fear is why so many un repenting sinners in the faith today.
I admire John Rich for caring about Jordan Peterson's immortal soul enough to want him to embrace the faith.
It’s not his job to tho
@@juansanders-ck1olwhat you don't understand is yes it is.
Loving your neighbor entails wanting the highest good for him. His salvation is the highest good. God created us for eternal happiness in His presence.
Yes, very exciting
Rich is totally respectful of Jordan
Jordan is respectful and engagedw Rich
Beautiful!
To GOD be all the glory!
Unconditional love
Unconditional endorsement
Rich cares, as should all true believers
@@paulhurley9475@moonrain85 correct; At the height of morality, a person desires the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people. Much love ❤
JBP is scared that being a devout Christian might take away from his pedigree as an intellectual. But that's not the case. Christianity doesn't diminish science, nor does science diminish christianity.
Except that science falsely so called is Atheistic! “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen” 1 Timothy 6:20,21 KJV
True science does promote Jesus Christ as the Creator!
Have you ever stopped to consider that being a "devout Christian" is the same as delving deep into the intellectualism of the matter? What makes you think Peterson isn't a devout Christian? Because he doesn't use the same words as your average everyday Christian to describe their faith? Because he challenges preconceived notions of "faith" and "belief"?
Science proves that god exists.
@@kenzo7513 that's why god in not taught in any science class?
Jordan Peterson understands Christ as a person deeper than anyone in these comments, or the guy he’s interviewing.
Jesus constantly chastised his disciples for their lack of understanding his words and actions. Petersons entire world right now is diving in and teaching the MEANING of Christ to millions of people.
It’s one thing to think you know Jesus. It’s another thing to understand. But it’s a whole different level to have understanding AND the ability to articulate that understanding.
People want Peterson to use simple terms that they use because they don’t understand that Peterson is far beyond that surface level spirituality. It’s like when Paul called for followers to stop needing milk, and to move on to the real meat of the faith.
If you want the meat of the faith, understand what Peterson is saying and how it relates to Christ, and how it relates to YOUR LIFE. Accepting Christ means to accept and apply ALL of his teachings in your life. It doesn’t just mean to claim belief, and tell other people you believe.
“Those who understand my teachings and put them into practice is like the wise man who built his house on rock.”
I think the important thing to recognize is his growth. The word of God is being brought to Peterson and his listeners. For someone with a background in science to actually acknowledge the possibility of a Divine existence. At that point, it's between him and God. I pray he finds the truth, but I'm also grateful that the topic is being brought to many non-believers 🙏
@chrisderr6375 2 Timothy 4:3-4 was written with you in mind. His wife is converting to Catholicism if or when he finds the truth, he will come home to Rome. He won't be joining you.
@trishkearney pretty unkind statement. According to protestants believing in Christ is all that matters 🤔
@chrisderr6375 The truth is so unkind to those who will not receive it. The politically correct want it silenced.
@@trishkearney it can't argue with that. I just don't think fighting between other Christians about who's the right denomination and who's the wrong one. Accepting Jesus as our salvation is the 1st step. Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit lead them on the right path from there. Just my thoughts. May God bless you on your journey 🙏
@chrisderr6375 you think accepting heresy is kindness. You can sell out if you wish. 'Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions you received from us either by an oral statement or a letter of ours' is non-negotiable. Exchangimg the truth for a lie is a sign of weak-will. . Wishy-washy, standing for nothing, you have fallen for anything. Your choice, I would rather stand. .
God bless John Rich. He's become a man truly on fire for God, using his platform to reach all who will listen.
Do ya think Net in Yahoo will listen to Rich?
Mabey he will be one of the ones who listen, mabey he won't. But since this is an opinion based question, in my opinion, he should.
@@goodtoseeyou I would love for him to get the opportunity to share the Gospel with him. Anything is possible for God.
When he said Jordan Peterson could be one of the most powerful weapons that ever walked the earth. OH YES! I can definitely see why that would be so.
A false teacher promoting him as one of the most powerful weapons..... to itchy ears
@janjacksonauthor As long as it doesn't go to his head. University degrees sometimes make people think too highly of themselves
And it makes people without them often not think at all. Not that you need a degree to think but the lack of just basic not just basic cognitive abilities but the cruelty and the casual hatred you all show for humanity is disturbing! I do not want to follow a Middle Eastern desert God it is Not suitable for the western world especially in modern society. I do not need someone to tell me that I am a sinner. OK that’s a weird erotic fantasy that I do not get off on but many of you seem to you seem to love this sort of sad masochistic relationship with your God and I am , bewildered by why anyone would choose this?
Yessss
But Lucifer has JP
Here is the issue I have with a young man that has never experienced any real tragedy, heart ache, dealt with sickness and death. This kid could easily be lead astray. Jordan Petersen is wresting with God, let God be God and do his work in JP. The title is extremely misleading.
This entire video is off putting from my view. This is exactly how I don’t wish to come off as a Christian. Jordan Petersen has made enormous strides in his faith so who are these people to force a work in progress.
Time with the Lord will produce fruit as the Lord sees fit?
Peterson has never claimed to be Christian, dude. You're in make-believe
Well said. Thank you. We need more Christians like you.
You are right. Mr Peterson went through more storms. and is more profound. Some young christians are maybe a bit proud and are too much in a hurry to judge Mr. Peterson. Also why to create a controversy over nothing? Hell does not even exist. It is a human invention. Would parents send their children to a place of torture, in case they did some wrong things? Will God be worse than humans ? He is the Creator , not the Destroyer. This is a pagan belief. , concept. Those who scare others with Hell, do not know God. God is infinite Love. , and Love is the glue which holds the Universe together, fusses everything. Satan himself invented the concept , the idea of Hell. It has nothing to do with God. 😅
Mark 16:15
But for the GRACE of GOD go I!
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Peterson is a philosopher and a Doctor of Psychology. He often speaks metaphorically. It is important to be clear about that when you listen to him. His often teaches about the bible as a work of literature. Despite this and even as a Christian, there is great value to be had from listening to him speak on different topics. He has an insightful, gifted mind.
@@thisis.michelletorres444
The bible is a great book.
It contains 66 books.
It is in part great literature.
Look at the story of Joseph.
Thomas Mann wrote four binds about Joseph and his brethren.
Reading in the bible can change a human completely. Often God speaks to human by the bible.
Bonhoeffer read 1939 in
2 Timothy 4:21: Do your diligence to come before winter.
He hurried and got the last ship to germany before the war began.
The bible is usefull for young and old, educated and uneducated.
The bible is a wonderfull book.
He says and points out alot of what I have learned in church
His teachings brought me closer to Christ. I'm a child of two pastors. His philosophical and his psychoanalytic explanation of the bible resonated with me on a deeper level; it got me started on my spiritual journey. God bless and save his soul for me
His wife converted not long ago after a miraculous healing from cancer. I believe he too converted subsequently.
Totally agree.
Jaiden I still can't believe that you have only beena Christian for less than two years. The Lord has definitely captured your heart, brother. Keep it up!!!
At 2:36. What could be "terrifying" about Jesus is there was actually a human being who walked the earth who was without sin and did not need to be saved. The most perfect person to have lived. That He died for our sins and rose from the dead. That He was the foretold Messiah of the Old Testament. That He redeemed mankind. That His message and ministry are true today as it was in Christ's lifetime.
The terrifying part to Jordan is giving up the power and control he thinks he has, to Someone he has yet to believe.
To say that Jesus is just a human being” is denying his divinity. He was a perfect human, but he was perfectly God, too. He is the Messiah, the Saviour. He’s not a “myth.”
It is amazing to watch this - to see the Holy Spirit at work in Jordan Peterson in real time! 🙌 I respect this man’s intelligence, I sincerely do, and to see him nearly at a loss for words when questioned by John Rich makes me want to raise my hands in the air and PRAISE JESUS, H A L L E L U J A H!!!🙌🙌🙌 Jordan is rich with the gift of being blessed, by God, with such an amazing mind and he’s struggling with that, with letting HIS understanding go. It’s a beautiful thing to watch and makes me 😭. I’ll be praying for him. 🙏✝️🙌❤️
His debates with Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty showed that his mind is not as great as his fans think it is. When people don’t recognise word salad they think it’s profound.
Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Way too may people think unless they are real smart Christ gives them presidents. This not about what the world thinks. It's about Jesus Christ.
I know many will say how about the ones that tell Christ all the things they did for Christ.
I believe they are talking about all the things that was fake. About money, about large churches.
@horridhenry9920 I see him being very intent on getting and choosing his words carefully, to the best of his ability. He bares good fruit, is humble, and has encouraged others to listen to their better angels.
@@horridhenry9920Matt Dillahunty got embarrassed himself not too long ago. Such a fraud.
@@raskolnikov6443 In what way is Dillahunty a “fraud”? I don’t always agree with his responses in debates, but fraud is an ad hominem. Got any evidence to support your claim?
It’s very simple: When you face a traumatic situation in life and call out in desperation to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, God will come and change your life forever❤ no knowledge, no information, no worldly things will mean the same to you. Jesus said “If you knock on my Door My Door will Open”!
Peterson is still caught up in words and intellectualism, his pride. It’s not his fault, one gets to know the Lord when we are ready. It can be different for each one of us but Humility & Humbleness are a requirement 🙏 God sees our heart. You have to let go of the ego and Surrender to Him ❤ And the most wonderful life will happen❤
I don't think JBP had encountered the divine idk
1 million %
I think some of you people want to be the ones that makes the final decision if he is saved or not.
Romans 10:9-10
"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved."
For with the heart one believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.
I haven't read where it says a person has to make sure you have said all the right words.
How about the thief on the cross? All he said to Jesus was Remember me when you go to your Kingdom.
Christ said you will be with Me this very day in Paradise.
Judge not …..
God I prayed for that outcome but so far silence i don't know but at near 40 I'm beginning to believe that some are chosen to suffer the entire time we are on earth I've seen little innocent children in the hospital scream in agony from cancer no miracles the end of pain came in the form of death those kids in Uvalde didn't get saved they were shot and slowly died calling their parents to express fear and pain if anyone should have a miracle it's little children I believe in God and I believe he loves us but I'm not sure about miracles anymore perhaps our blessings are waiting on the other side I don't know anymore but years of pain betrayal despair and loneliness has made me feel bitter I pray for help but as has been the case most of my life it just gets worse right before the lockdown I was finally picking my life together after being ruined in 08 I was thanking God everyday for my little rented room and job covid hits lose the job the lockdown gets lifted and I get my 12th kidney stone needing surgery but no because of covid they wouldn't I was left in agony for a year and still thanking God just for the little room I had then the infection set in I lost everything yet again I try so hard to do whats right in all things that my own family will steal and use me it's a life I wish I never had I believed truly believed that maybe someday I could have a family and a place to call home but now idk and yes i still pray I'm praying as I write this I'm scared of going to hell I am so miserable I can't even fantasize about anything other than the end I pray I could have the same comfort that so many have from their faith but everytime I talk to God I just feel anger I pray he helps me with that
I think we need to be very careful criticizing Dr. Peterson. He thinks on a different level. There’s a depth to his thoughts that surpasses the understanding of the average person. An example would be Thomas Merton’s “Seven Story Mountain”. Most readers need to reread a paragraph in his book several times to grasp the concepts he is describing. I find a certain humility surfaces when Peterson talks about Jesus which makes me think he has a healthy humility to keep his ego grounded.
I thought Merton was a desert father mystic or at least one who embraces a different take on Christianity. Many in the watchman discernment community say to beware of Thomas Merton.
@WayneNowacki you're confusing the example with the point. He made a good point.
Perhaps, but wisdom starts and ends with God. No amount of human intellectualization will bring God to you. Only humility on your knees can allow you to be with God. Jordan seems to have a bit of pride in regards to religion, pride that holds him back
You do know he was born in Edmonton Alberta Canada
He was not criticizing. He was asking a question.
John really nailed it
Nailed it for itchy ears.
Ha ha ha, nailed it I see what you did there cross crucifixion nails hilarious you should put together a comedy show and go onto tour dude
@@trishkearney😂
BS
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ISAIAH 55: 8,9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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Bold gospel testimony. Someone is cutting onions.
“I’m not cutting onions, YOU’RE cutting onions!” … *runs out crying*
Ninjas
Lots of false teachers and prophets 'cutting their 'onions' for itchy ears
I’m a believer. Been saved since I was 6. Been through ALOT in church. So much that it drew me away in my late 20’s. All I’ve known was the Bible and the ways few have taught me with experiences I’ve had personally that keeps me away from completely leaving the faith altogether. While I get what the man is saying when it comes to Jordan, it was Jordan’s growth and his understanding of Christianity is what brought my faith back. See Jordan is like Paul. Jordan is a smart man. His ability to articulate and understand depths of life and his compassion is what will go over many traditional Christians heads. And Jordan’s struggle is the very struggle we all fight day by day. That’s why I don’t judge him nor fault him for his areas of struggle and surrender when it comes to this faith he battles. Jordan is a man of logic and reason. So for him to even consider Christianity is a miracle in and of itself. His wife (who is a believer) is a great piece of the puzzle to lead him in his growing faith.
The problem (I have amongst many) with my fellow christians is that we always feel like we need to have the answer to everyone’s growth in our faith. That’s not the flow of the Holy Spirit. That’s us using our intellect (no different than what Jordan is doing with his understanding) in disguise of being a “light” for someone. It sounds good and ideal but in reality we’re putting ourselves into something that prohibits the true glory and edification of God in the grow process of our fellow brothers and sisters. This very headline “HUMBLES” focuses on not praising God for Jordan learning and gaining enlightenment on his steady path with God but rather projects humiliation towards what we deem as arrogance. The word in all caps is a ploy to grab the attention of others rather than letting God grab the hearts of whom is meant to hear. None of us have all the answers to this Christian path. We read and quote a Bible that’s been edited and translated so many ways the only thing we can do is trust God with what we don’t know and study to our best abilities the context of scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So to question and stand even in ignorance on our current state of understanding is natural for humans. Christ says unless you come to me as a child you can’t even see the kindgom. Jordan struggles with this in my opinion only by faith and fear of losing what he thinks makes sense. I personally believe that Jordan will come to the conclusion of our faith and it won’t be the same way that was done religiously like others such as myself. Jordan understands more about our faith than many I’ve seen in this thing longer than even me. His understanding of the concepts of good and evil shook me to the core and had me repent for being so self righteous. I’ve shared his videos to others about our faith and they began to ask me questions that led them to be more open to Christ. One sows, the other plants and God does the increase. Direct scripture from the same Bible we quote day by day. And yet somehow this same faith that so many follow miss God because we limit is methods of reaching his own children by the way he deals and handles us. Jordan knows how to surrender. He surrendered his will to his wife and family. The one thing I will agree with the gentleman here is the impact Jordan will have on such a greater scale simply because I do believe to some extent he sees what many have seen such as myself. Jordan Peterson is definitely getting the message. One day at a time. Did Paul have it all together when God begin to deal with him? What about moses? Peter? Or maybe the other initial 11 disciples? Even the one who betrayed Jesus was elected as one of the 12 to follow him. Let’s just celebrate what God is doing in this man’s life and pray that he remains open to what The Lord is doing for him.
Amen to that.
I've always said the problem with Christians is other Christians really Christian people in general not Christianity
@@ScottyTownsend91 totally agree!! 👍
Scotty Townsend, I certainly agree with your reply about Dr.Jordan Peterson. Too many conservative Protestants, seem to think, that our heavenly Father has to use the typical American protestant method to "accept:" Jesus. These individuals seem to have forgotten that our great God/YHWH does the calling and changing individuals, not their "Bill Graham" method. Dr. Peterson has been and is a thousand times more effective in changing a person's life than many Sunday morning preachers. Amen to your clear observation, Thank you.
Christ is Lord! ☦️
AMEN
Amen
No he's not.
Amen
@@El-Dorado930 "my Lord and my God" -St Thomas
Praise God for using John to give Jordan the straight gospel.
I think he has an evangelical understanding, but not necessarily a mature biblical understanding. He sounds like he has a teenager’s understanding of Christ, not an adult understanding.
I disagree 100%. If you think John has any understanding beyond Jordan Petersens understanding of scripture you are sadly mistaken. John is coming off as an authoritarian and the kid hosting this nonsense is no better. I’m embarrassed at the raking over the coals Jordan took from a guy who seems to have a very limited understanding of salvation. Jordan showed great humility in my opinion, he could have easily buried him with his own piety. I hope I never come off like that. John pointing his finger and giving the cold stare like he’s picking a fight is a real turn off. I have zero respect for him after this dialogue. Jordan Petersen will change in Gods time, not yours or mine and especially not John’s.
@@richardselby1711 I think you need to check your own humility. The gospel is clear and simple, it is not hidden down an intellectual rabbit hole.
@@zorot3876
It has nothing to do with me or my humility. I’m calling out the two guys trying to cram their understanding down Jordan Petersens throat. His entire demeanor and approach a is wrong.
Coming to God is between Jordan and God, he’s confessed he has come to Jesus. Who are these people to judge his salvation?
It’s Christian’s like these people that turn people off spiritually. The fact remains, we are all sinners saved by grace in Christ alone, by grace alone. The only thing any of us contribute to our salvation is the sin that put Jesus on the cross. The nonsense of both of these people knit picking at another man’s salvation is simply silly and childish. Unless you see it their way you’re not a Christian… which is nonsense!
@@richardselby1711 I respect your opinion, but I also can see why a lot of people are confused by Jordan's inability to agree with simple things like the Apostles Creed etc.
11:35 Jordans answer of "Holy terror" is one of the best possible answers to that question.
Proverbs 9:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the All-holy is understanding"
Deuteronomy 10:12
"And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul".
Jordan is right, he takes religion serisously. The fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom. Jordan realise somrhing all christians can learn from. Whem you understand you, taks this serisouly, healthy fear of the truth is only human. With all do respect it seems the cowboy isnt getting what jordan is saying. Never met a born again who was afraid first to let go of the world, ackowledging this fear is first step to overcoming it. Let Jordan go through his fear, I have faith he would come out other side. Actually jordan seems far more biblical then the cowboys "what you have to fear' argument. Jonah, Moses , the apostles, job, etc all fear letting go, all fear God. But fear is not the end of the story is the begining, its good Jordan is afraid, it means he understands, perhaps more then the cowboy
Agreed very precisely put as Jordan Peterson does "holy terror" I also quoted that verse in my comment. I think Jordan Peterson is a believer and he has his own relationship with Christ that he's growing and learning still.
So glad to hear John Rich speak Truth to JP … God Almighty showed me for years now that JP is trying to know Jesus thru his Intellect …. When the things of God are hidden from the mind of man, to know God you must know him it spirit and Truth…. The way to Jesus is so simplistic that so many miss it - we need to just except with child like faith that Jesus is the Son of God and except that he die for us all on the cross and when we believe and receive we are Born Again Saved to be with Jesus God Almighty For Ever. So many miss because they think it’s got to cost them something they must do something-When Jesus Did All On The Cross - It’s Free - Lastly , I would say with so many Men of God he has interview him why they did not lean in on his stance the way Mr. Rich is doing …. I hope his intellect don’t keep him from Salvation…. It’s not natural it’s Super Natural 💜✝️
There's also repentance--the understanding that we're sinners fully in need of Jesus Christ to save us.
Amen
*accept
@@ammcroft I stand corrected ✝️💜
@@linjp2773 There is no Salvation/ Being Born Again Without Repentance ✝️💜
We walk by faith not by sight
@@PolynutteryYou're absolutely correct, which is why it's on us to use our rational mind to be skeptical and do our own research into our beliefs. Look up Dr. John Lennox, he explains it extremely well.
@@Polynuttery Yes, obviously, everyone needs convincing and there is enough evidence to back Jesus his claims that He is who He say He is. From Elijah to Moses, if you followed the story just a little bit its obvious Jesus is the truth
John 3.16
God bless John Rich. This was so NECESSARY. Jesus is speaking through John in this interview. What a wonderful witness for the Truth.
How do you know that Jesus is speaking through this man? In what do you base you affirmation, proofs please...
dong harden your heart you'll understand it @@carlospacheco7361
@@carlospacheco7361 everything he said regarding scripture and Jesus Christ was true. And he's clearly on fire for the Lord. It doesn't take a theology degree to see that God is using that man.
It’s strange, Jaiden, that you don’t hear JP’s faith here. Just because he doesn’t say it in the way you may think he ought…it is obvious he’s born again by the way he stated having invited Him into his life.
I'm not sure you've listened to enough JP. He is all over the place with what he actually believes. I have a deep respect for JP but he has been hypocritical and enormously confusing regarding Christ and what he follows or has faith in.
The problem is that most people, they say they believe in Jesus but they don't really believe in Jesus nor do they know what he thought
AND, believing and “following” or accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior -allowing Him to be the Master in your life. Even the devil “believes” in Jesus.
Yess I agree with that, like they say they believe but they really don’t have a genuine and real relationship with Jesus Christ
The devil believes in Jesus but doesn't have faith in him.
@@Banban_tv Doesn’t honor Him either. The point is, many Believe in Jesus but don’t Follow Him.
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Like the comment I read before reaching your comment and it had so many likes. (LUKE WARM or just a Build'a'Jesus belief)
Comment says "now I make so&so money now 'I HAVE' so&so (material note$$&material world)... ".
Jesus the Son of God is the message of TRUE RICHES of grace, mercy, peace, joy ,His BLOOD and love... His LOVE. Jesus's Love is Life. ❤
It isnt about comfort, or fat wallet. (Turning over tables).
Praying for Jordan Peterson. Its a long way from "great intellectual mind", to "God's way even when it doesn't make sense to me"
John Rich...... Wow bold and beautiful in the Lord
He doesn’t put God in a box like American Christians want to. He has a bigger view and is a truth seeker and Walker.
If you don't believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh and died for our sins then you are not a Christian
How exactly do you know how 360 million Americans think about God? You're wrong and obviously prejudiced. Be at war with yourself
I've been watching Jordan Peterson for a long long time. I just heard a good analogy of this type of situation that Jordan is in. Some people are inadvertently masochists unto themselves. We become so familiar with the bad things in our lives, that they become our safety net. We do them over and over again, because we know the outcome. And if we change, we dont know/think it will become a better outcome, so we stick with our existing situation because we are comfortable with it. But, thats not reality at lot of times. Its a lie to make us feel better, and a very hard one to overcome. I pray for him.
*Jordan Peterson is the bridge between the intellectuals and the spiritual bunch.* His lectures, his studies, his whole way of being and his sincere search for Truth has raised him high for all to see. He became loved by the broken and is helping them heal- all the while discussing life through the Bible (and other literature and film). He is offering Judeo-Christian values to a world that had deemed them illogical/impossible and which was crumbling under disfunction. A great number of believers exist today only because of his lectures, events- his way of teaching- and he knows that.
He may not, in his current position of leadership, be able to proclaim as loudly and frequently as a Christian perhaps should that he has given himself over to Jesus without losing a part of himself in the eyes of those of us that look up to him but who aren't quite there yet. He is, in a way, pulling with him those of us who cannot quite get past our egos but who may if we keep our heads in the game of at least considering God and Jesus are what the Bible says they are.
Part of his struggle could also be that he doesn't yet know what surrender for him would look like. What would be left of Jordan B. Peterson if he stopped trying to understand everything as fully as he can?
100%. This guy gets it.
@@spacecoyote55
Full surrender means nothig is left of me. Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:11:
... though I be nothing.
Nothing of me --- Christ is everything
This way is open for everyone.
God bless.
I think right about Jordan. But I'm not sure he really accepts Christ at a real spiritual level and trusts in Christ wholly. And can give over his life and totally trust in God.
Romans 14
@@sirdonaldofthewarcry
Touché 😏
Amen!!! Good job John Rich! Thanks Jaiden
With all due respect John Rich hasnt brought a quarter of the amount of souls to Christianity than Peterson has. Put some respect on JP.
Jordan is right, he takes religion serisously. The fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom. Jordan realise somrhing all christians can learn from. Whem you understand you, taks this serisouly, healthy fear of the truth is only human. With all do respect it seems the cowboy isnt getting what jordan is saying. Never met a born again who was afraid first to let go of the world, ackowledging this fear is first step to overcoming it. Let Jordan go through his fear, I have faith he would come out other side. Actually jordan seems far more biblical then the cowboys "what you have to fear' argument. Jonah, Moses , the apostles, job, etc all fear letting go, all fear God. But fear is not the end of the story is the begining, its good Jordan is afraid, it means he understands, perhaps more then the cowboy
Right or wrong needs to be called out regardless who is voicing wrong
Although its not a numbers game, but genuineness. A person's intellect and will need to be completely shattered if they hold it in such high esteem. It can be utilized towards genuine faith, yes - but it can't be held above higher spiritual reality. He seems to be traveling in circles within his head to grasp the unknowable. He seems to want the invisible to be made physical in order to trust with the spirit of the soul.
Jordan Peterson may have brought in more people to Christ than John Rich... That may or may not be true.. But that isnt how we are accepted by Jesus. We don't enter his covenant that way. You have a relationship with him and that comes first. God, can use anybody to fulfill his purposes. No amount of Merit is going to please God.... I thank
Jesus for jordan peterson and how much of a blessing he's been for the church
But those people that Jesus talked about in Matthew. Chapter 7 at the end of the sermon on the mount. They thought they were good with God... Those were the scholars. Those were the people who cast out demons... Those were the church planters.... But relationship with God comes first.. There's a possibility that we can think were serving in God when we're just really serving ourselves. That's the scary reality.
In the old testament When God said, choose the good that it may be well with you... Jesus was the good that he was talking about.
No, I believe that Rich did exactly the right thing here. Regardless of how many souls Peterson has brought to Christ, he has clearly not fully committed his own heat to the Lord. He over-intellectualizes faith, which keeps Christ at bay. This is true for many of us scientists. John Rich delivered some tough love. I hope it hit home.
I don't think that we can say he is not a Christian because of confusion, if it truly be confusion, about some things. Everyone's walk is their own, they learn at differently, and we have to take him at his word that he has given his life to Jesus. That same Jesus will guide him on his particular path.
One caveat: get your terms straight. J w s too sound fine, untill you dig. J p is symbolizing away his salvation if not careful. Imo
So far, he acts like a "philosophical" Christian. Every story in the Bible has to be broken down into some psychological-sociological analytical trestise which somehow always avoids the gospel and the divinity of Jesus, imo.
God is not the author of confusion.
But Jordan Peterson makes all his money talking about the Bible and old testament...
@@haxguy0you do have a tendency to stick with the Old testament when you're trying to prove the legitimacy of Jesus.
I think Jordan is such an intellectual and spends so much time in his head that it "terrorizes him" to let it all go fully into his heart. He gets times when it reaches his heart and he weeps, but he's terrified what will happen if he truly lets all that knowledge and truth of Jesus come into his heart, unguarded. I can kind of understand that. That would make his use of the word "terror" seem very appropriate.
Yes. I’ve seen that happen to very smart intelectuals before.
You nailed it! Isn’t it ironic us “laymen’ understand this?
that is a nasty stereotype
Again with the nailed it that is so funny to me I mean without irony you guys talking about nailing it when your Christ was nailed to planks of wood it’s the lack of just basic consciousness is hilarious and actually it’s not it’s sad. I just would rather laugh than cry at the, sad and relishing of suffering Christians or at least some Christians seem to enjoy. If you were atheist, you’d be in an S&M club but instead you worship bleeding Jesus nailed to cross of love and respect and kindness towards each other and giving people the leeway to have their own thoughts with the brain that God gave us.
Utter nonsense. Believe the testimony of scripture, if you regard it as the word of God. Jordan Peterson suppresses the truth in unrighteousness because what may be known about God is evident. Jordan Peterson takes the truth of the knowledge of a person and turns it into allegory and metaphor. He is the epitome of a pagan.
I pray that Jordan Peterson stop sitting on the fence and come down to hold the hand of Jesus! Just like Zacchaeus♥
I read his books, and he actually flipped me to becoming Christian.
Jaiden you articulate things so well and see things so clear. You are a force in the Christian world God bless you my brother !
JP has done more for Christianity then most Christian’s. So I really don’t care if he proclaims to be one or not, he clearly shows his faith through actions.
This dude with the cowboy hat preaches in a way that has turned people off to Christianity. J.P is bringing an intellectual, subtle and humble approach to faith, as opposed to a condescending, wagging of the finger.
I have seen JP cry about Jesus Christ. He will be there with us in heaven one day.
Jesus said, “If you confess me before men, I will confess you before my Father.” So it does matter whether JP confesses faith in Christ alone.
Actually what you said is completely against what the bible LITERALLY says not in modern terms using literally, literally as in word for word it says it's not by eloquent speech or human wisdom which is what YOUR arguing is the superior approach. John is really speaking matter of fact and Jordan is hiding behind fancy terminologies and metaphors. The word of God explicitly states it's by God's spirit and power we understand and explain Jesus not by human understands. This whole chapter destroys what you said, I'm taking the Bible's word over your preferences.
Read it for yourself, go Google every version and see for yourself
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1 Corinthians 2:1-16
[1] And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. [2] For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. [3] I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, [4] and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
[5] so that your faith might not be based on human wisdom but on God’s power. [6] We do, however, speak a wisdom among the mature, but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. [7] On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a mystery, a wisdom God predestined before the ages for our glory. [8] None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, because if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But as it is written, What no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived - God has prepared these things for those who love him. [10] Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, since the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. [11] For who knows a person’s thoughts except his spirit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. [13] We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. [14] But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually. [15] The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, and yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone. [16] For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
@@hardcorebarbell And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
If you want a woman do you catcall her as she walking by? Or do you approach her subtlety and patiently?
Jordan Peterson is a fisherman of men for Christianity. If you are upset because he doesn’t loudly and unequivocally pronounce his faith in front of you that’s unfortunate. I think he’s doing Gods work subtlety. I believe he is fishing differently than our peers and administrators in Church have been and I think he’s been converting more souls to Gods kingdom than most Christian’s leaders have been doing for the last 2 decades.
I think a man’s actions are more important to observe than what he says or professes in public. You can profess scripture and your love for God but is your daily life reflecting that? From what I observe of JP he is a Christian. And it’s refreshing hes not an obnoxious one. His lectures have certainly converted me to a Christian. So I have to ask is this about you being right about biblical scripture or is it about bringing more souls to gods kingdom? There’s more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I know plenty of public figures who say they believe in god and falsely profess their faith only to do evil.
The way "Christians" respond to Jordan Peterson really goes to show who the real Christian is between them.
I'm just glad he is making the journey and taking the adventure that is trying to understand what the bible is trying to point out and what the truth is in the bible.
@renjistrife8546 His wife is converting to Catholicism. If or when he does convert, he won't be one of your followers.
@@trishkearney "your followers" ???
@@trishkearneyyou do realize Catholics are Christians? You should do your research before speaking on subject matter & come with facts
There are many Christian denominations with catholic being one of the branches.. some of the branches of Christianity are eastern orthodox, Egyptian Coptics, Roman Catholic, etc.. they’re all followers of Jesus Christ hence why they’re all Christians❤
@@Prideless1but ask a catholic how you are saved and go to heaven. Thats where the difference lies.
JP is the only person I know online as a figure who actually communicates a severe amount of humility. He acknowledges the difficulty in actual faith, whereas lukewarm christians exclaim they have faith and judge others for being honest.
If Peterson is humbled in the way you suggest, so is Rich. Peterson’s intellect is the equivalent of Rich’s music - each is the gift of God and God is speaking through both men in each way.
His intellect couldn’t be further from Rich’s musical talent
Jordan is in a fallen state because he eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
The host even laid out the scripture that says the intellects are blind
It only serves the ego
@@seekfirstthekingdom4388 It is not evil to have intellect. If you believe that you need to reread your bible. Shameful you spit venom at someone who is truly trying to come to Jesus.
@@seekfirstthekingdom4388 Perhaps you are too enamored with musical entertainment. Anyone who, from one day to another, becomes a saint, is a liar; it's a process and not everyone 'discovers Truth' overnight.
@@seekfirstthekingdom4388 Only God knows how each man or woman will use what he has given them. The intellect can make you blind, but it can, when guided by God/Christ/theHolySpirit do God’s work. I am no judge of musical talent, but I have spent a life of study and intellectual pursuit - at times it led me astray; at others it led me true. As I said, His will be done in the way He chooses.
@@seekfirstthekingdom4388 I hear much more than that through Jordon Peterson. I don't know if you've ever done jail ministry? But some of those behind bars have no idea what the Bible is about. Absolutely none. Never even stepped foot in a church or worship. So, there are a few out there who are not behind bars who might be at the same Spiritual level as the unheard of behind bars, some only have been to church/worship on a holiday. Guitars and the Word not the same. There's a part of the Bible that talks about not even wanting to hear the music, so what's that all about? I'll have to ask GOD!
Thank you so very much for this tremendous interview!!! And for your spot-on commentary!
You are an amazing young man, Jaiden! God bless you, and continue to enable you to discern the truth and articulate it so vividly! Your parents must be extraordinarily proud of you!!
Jaiden, fantastic job here. It gives me hope to see a young person able to discern and deliver. Love you; I appreciate you. Blessings and keep up the good work!
Stumbled on this passage this morning from John 5:39-40 "You search the scriptures because you think in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about me; and you are unwilling to come to me so that you may have eternal life. " I think we all are guilty of that to some extent. It is very easy to put our faith in our doctrine, rather than Jesus himself. Sure, we believe, but our trust is in our doctrine, not in God himself.
Good job John Rich defending our faith and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Jordan came to my country back in June and if you wanted to ask him a question you paid 200 dollars and you could. He looks tired. But it was beautiful. I didn’t pay to talk to him in person but if I did that was the question I wanted to ask him. If he gave his life to Jesus Christ, fully! I see his pain and fear and I just want him to be fully free and have the Lord joy in his heart.
ARE YOU KIDDING!!!
Pay to talk to someone?!? (I don't believe in phycologist)
Absurd 😡 (and demonic)
@@robertblackmon1Where I live it was less than $200 - It was definitely over $100 but I don't remember the exact price since I didn't go - but it was a pretty standard concert event upgrade package. You got your ticket to the show, special seats, a signed book and a post-show reception where you could talk to Peterson. Book tours are money-making events, and if somebody is willing to pay for access I don't have a problem with it. Those of us who aren't invested in actually meeting Peterson can skip it.
@NMemone There are probably people there who call themselves Christians and haven't completely read or understand God's word and are buying this guy's book/books😔
Now, what does that tell you?
Nowhere in Acts does followers of Jesus or Paul charge to talk to them.
200$ to ask a question?? No way! Better go to Jesus for FREE, and Jesus is the wisest being in the Universe!🙏🙏
Wow! Praise God!!! I can relate to both sides of this conversation because I’ve always been a good student and a probing mind. I have a doctorate and plenty of academic and fleshly accolades if I were to attempt to lean on my own flesh but the WEIGHT of responsibility to take on and share all truth lest others perish is FAR TOO MUCH FOR A MERE MAN TO BEAR! For me, going humbly before the Lord with faith like a little child means that I no longer need to win every human argument and dispel every human lie in my own power. THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN LEAD A LITTLE CHILD!!!! Praise God we all get to be a child of God and He is willing to lead us!!!! I loved this interview and I want to say a very deep thank you to Mr. Rich for being faithful and bold and to Dr. Peterson for being humble and honest! I pray we are all brothers for eternity and for all of those reading this I pray we are brothers and sisters for eternity by the grace of Almighty God through the blood of Jesus!!!
God bless Jon Rich! He speaks the Truth of Christ regardless of the consequences!
Look at his video again. There is much that does not match up with scripture. I beleve he said that the word antichrist is not on the bible.
Jaiden
Please review his Revelation.
It is Hollywood at its finest. I believe he said the word antichrist is not in the bible.
What else do you see?
Despite not understanding JP.
@joeb6850 your itchy ears never consider consequences. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 was written with you in mind.
It is my understanding that that he said the word antichrist was not in the bible.
He is on his way to embracing the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church. Blessed be God forever.
Peterson is like the Pagan Germanic chieftain that after converting to Christianity was baptised but kept his sword hand above the water.
Wow. This is fantastic. I love Jordan and didn't know John was such a great servant. One thing that stood out to me.. "it's not our words of faith but rather who we put in charge of our lives" I felt that.
Is it just me or the fact that ensuing comment on religious hypocrisy was efited out.
I dont think jp expected john to bring Jesus with Him . Straight fire. He blew his mind and asked uncomfortable questions.
Apparently, it's not about Christ; it's all about having Peterson on the 'Christian' team, isn't it? And suggesting that someone 'can become the most powerful human being' is the most ego shit I've ever heard.
Wow, kudos to this guy for straight-up preaching the gospel to Jordan and trying to evangelize him! I know he's very wary of these sorts of questions, but SOMEONE'S got to get to him!
Only god can do that, trying to force it on someone is trying to play god
@@juansanders-ck1ol - He’s not trying to force it on JBP, he’s just challenging him. God often uses a good intellectual challenge to draw a smart person to Him. 🙂
@@juansanders-ck1ol Yes I don't remember GOD saying he wants clones it's more of the gifts of the Fruits of the Spirit!
I’m not convinced my specific understanding of “Hell” is a necessary doctrine to be a Christian…
Hell is made for Satan and his angels.
Hell is a place of complete absence of Gods light and being separated from God eternally is the most horrific thing your soul can face.
This place is determined for satan and his fallen angels as the Son of Adam crushed the snakes head and Jesus now holds the keys of death and hell.
Amen
@@davegoslingphoto was
Hell is not what is taught in the churches. Jordan is closer to it than mainline Christianity gives him credit for. It is a torment, not by molten sulfur, but by the excruciating revelation of self in the presence of God and it ends in a decision for eternal cessation of existence. I have posted elsewhere in this discussion on the topic, with biblical evidence.
@@MrKevinStraub
That's a lie
Revelation 20:11-15
[11] Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. [13] The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. [14] Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. [15] Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Mark 9:47-48
[47] And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, [48] where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’
“In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Luke 13:28
That's really smart, get the man who sings the song "Save a Horse, ride a Cowboy" to spread the word of God.
That's really smart, get Saul of Tarsus , the guy that hunted and killed Christians to spread the Word of God.
See how that works?
Who is worse? John or Saul?
@jelly7310 did John write the Bible? I hope you see how stupid that comparison was.
@@isaiahj3968 my point was, Isaiah, that God is capable of using ANYONE to spread His Word. He can use a man that hunted and killed Christians and He can also use a guy that wrote a stupid song. Are you saying only a guy that wrote some of the books of the Bible is capable of spreading the Word? Help me understand the point you are attempting to make about my comment.
@@jelly7310Read this chapter out loud then scoop up your words and eat them fast. We don't preach or persuade with fancy speech it's by God's Spirit. Just read the bible for yourself and stop saying stupid things. You're not being used by God completely operating on your own understanding and in the power of human wisdom.
1 Corinthians 2:1-16
[1] And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. [2] For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. [3] I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, [4] and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
[5] so that your faith might not be based on human wisdom but on God’s power. [6] We do, however, speak a wisdom among the mature, but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. [7] On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a mystery, a wisdom God predestined before the ages for our glory. [8] None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, because if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But as it is written, What no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived - God has prepared these things for those who love him. [10] Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, since the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. [11] For who knows a person’s thoughts except his spirit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. [13] We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. [14] But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually. [15] The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, and yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone. [16] For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
His wife Tammy is already Catholic! She came Home to the Catholic Church earlier this year on Easter. So Jordan will follow and I hope it's sooner rather than later. He attends Catholic Mass with his wife. He just needs to humble himself and open up to the Holy Spirit. 🙏🏼🕊️❤️🔥✝️
Hopefullly, they learn who the beast power is.
As a man of discernment, the words of Christ out of Rich's mouth have cut to the heart of Jordan Peterson deeply. You can tell Peterson was speechless and could not deny the truth. Probably one of those moments like he was cornered against the wall and trying to find an escape plan.
Jordan Peterson enjoys his self-autonomic lifestyle and he has not fully surrendered to the Lord. In his mind, he is afraid of faith and having to abide in Christ for his unknown future. Probably afraid of the potential dark misfortunes that could result in following Christ, or he is probably reluctant to alter his inveterate lifestyle and having to put his trust in Christ for everything. He is okay with talking about scripture and things like that, but as for following the Lord fully on a day-by-day basis, that's what Peterson has not done. I pray that one day he will. Otherwise, he will be one of those people that Christ will say to them, "I never knew you."
I think he is also afraid to admit there is a literal hell and many people he knew are probably there and many he knows are probably heading there.. It is a terrifying reality that is too much for many to swallow.. only by the grace of God. 🙏
He could also be concerned he's falling into the *great trap.* Psychology alone continues to develope new understandings of the human mind and how it works, so what if we simply haven't found the piece of the puzzle that excludes the possibility of God. Then there are conditions at the time of the Jesus to consider. Nobody wants to be found the fool. I feel as though this is why Peterson uses the truths in the parables, the scriptures, even classic Disney films, etc to illustrate Life's truths. The worst despair and pain we could ever imagine ourselves in is Hell- and it's different for each of us. The most beautiful, functional life we could imagine is Heaven- different for each of us. And what if that's all this Jesus person (no disrespect whatsoever inteneded- just making a point) was trying to say? What if The Resurrection is just a way of people saying this man's teachings will live on in all who believe he was right about how to conduct yourself in life?
It's the Apostles lives (or deaths) afterwards that I, personally, cannot get past easily with this line of reasoning, though.
Bottom line: we have all had to use our intellect as well as our feelings to get through life and I'm not sure he's done thinking about it yet, but he knows he feels something very real- truly extraordinary- in this particular faith.
@@jaemanminard5824 excellent evaluation!
I am on journey to be a better believer also. I get a lot of, what I think is support from Jordan Petersons perspective on God, Jesus and the Bible. It seems like you don't believe that he is a "christian." I go about my day trying to follow Gods word and reading the bible, seeking wisdom, praying. What does Jordan do that this interviewer and you guys think is wrong or not christian? Thank you for your replies. I need more talk like this in my life. I appreciate figuring out how to worship and follow at a deeper level. I asked Jesus into my heart but still have my battles daily. I have accepted his forgiveness and like Paul am a great sinner.
Christ was talking about people who purported to follow Him, to preach if Him when He said He didn't know them. Translation is off since the original said "you never knew me".
Pray he get filled with the Holy Spirit, I like Rich is.
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Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly state there's going a transference of the riches of the heathen to the righteous.God keep blessings you
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The Lord Jesus Christ blessed Jordon by sending John with a message for him. Praise Yahweh. Jaiden your parents must be thankful and proud of you, I am. Keep doing His work.
Great video! I always wondered about this. Isaiah 55:8. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.
In my experience, pride really holds a lot of people back from the way, the truth, and the life.
That was powerful!
Jordan Peterson has brilliant insights on all sorts of stories from the Bible… he says he’s been studying it for 30 years. But, he’s so lost when it comes to Jesus Christ. He just doesn’t get it, and it taints his interpretation of important Christian doctrine concerning Christ and who He was.
I hope someday he “gets it.” Literally all it takes is turning off your brain and trusting your heart and the breakthroughs that come when you seek to re-discover your relationship with your savior.
That usually happens at our weakest moments in life, unfortunately.
Some people sail through life without knowing real anguish and grief.
But.. God pursues us all.
Hes beholden to small hats. Those refered to in revelations 3:9 and 2:9.
He gets it ! He knows exactly what to do , the way God has called him to do it . He's basically started a ministry from a different perspective. From a philosophy of ethos approach. There's only 1 way to God . There's many way's to Christ . I've met people who aren't Religious or even go to Church , yet have a strong personal relationship with Christ. You will know them by their works , not what they profess .
Ruby you had me agreeing with you to the end. I don’t believe we abandon reason to be saved. I also don’t believe that the kind of emotionalism that is in many chirches today masquerading as faith and salvation are what God through Hos Word meant and still means by heart. Jordan Peterson has a son problem as we all have had. It appears that pride keeps him there, and over-intellectualizing especially from a Jungian psycho dynamic and notions of synchronicity that have little to do with real Faith, a belief based upon the evidence that is intelligent and piercing to the core of our being, but we must be careful of emotionalism and feelings based responses only. I’m reminded of the arguments between legalistic and anti-legalists. Their individual arguments did not draw either toward actual salvation and true understanding. Often they just added more sin from their side to avoid the sins from the other. I believe we see in the comments other such arguments. God helps us, but people are a mess, and even with His Word and for those in Christ, the in dwelling Holy Spirit yet we have sinful arguments publicly that should be settled among brothers and sisters in our own family conversations.
I think Jordan Peterson does not fully want to commit to Jesus because he is afraid of the notion that people who do not accept Jesus will suffer eternally. I've seen other Jordan Peterson interviews where he gets very emotional just by thinking about the suffering of others.
As Christians, we still need people to tell us about the Bible and how they understand the stories and parables of Jesus. ❤.
The parables were to the Jews. Church Age apostle Pauk is to us. Romans to philemon. " rightly divide" the Word or you will haven a blenderized mess!!
People need to READ the Bible and ask God to help them understand it. Relying on others to tell you about the Bible leaves the door wide open to getting deceived.
Jaiden, your the first person who has narrowed down this on going discussion about whether Peterson is finally surrendered to Christ! Isn’t it ironic that the cowboy witnesses to the great intellect?! Isn’t what Peterson ultimately doing what each and every one of us has to do, is to acknowledge Jesus is King and submit to Him and accept His Grace in exchange of our wretchedness? Peterson’s intellect is an essential part of how he’s defined himself thru out his life. The basic part of being born again is to DIE TO YOUR OLD SELF, and this is Peterson’s battle as it was for each of us! God loves us to come to this reality, but even He has a limit and will not force you to be with Him if you test Him too long!! John Rich gave him the gospel down and basic, which is what we all should be doing for loved ones as time is running out for this world!
Acknowledging Him as Lord. That is the crux. It isn't an Intellectual (pride) thing
I also like to philosophize sometimes, but I have experienced what it is to intellectualize out of faith, and what it is to intellectualize instead of faith. Even if the subject of the latter is "matters of faith". The first is the tree of life, the second is the tree of "knowledge" that leads to death, because reason tries to encompass everything like God, and questions give rise to more questions, it creates a labyrinth in which man gets lost, an ocean in which he drowns. Knowledge does not save. God saves, and when we accept Him, He also gives us everything we need for a given time. Also a sufficient and healthy dose of knowledge.
1 Corinthians 2:1-16
[1] And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. [2] For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. [3] I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, [4] and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
[5] so that your faith might not be based on human wisdom but on God’s power. [6] We do, however, speak a wisdom among the mature, but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. [7] On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a mystery, a wisdom God predestined before the ages for our glory. [8] None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, because if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But as it is written, What no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived - God has prepared these things for those who love him. [10] Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, since the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. [11] For who knows a person’s thoughts except his spirit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. [13] We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. [14] But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually. [15] The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, and yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone. [16] For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
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I’m incredibly grateful that Jordan has come to faith and is open about it because that will inspire so many people to come to Christ! I don’t expect or need for him to be perfect in his walk with God but he’s on the path and that’s beautiful. I’m a new believer as well and it’s still an ongoing process for me.
I feel as though Jordan is so deeply a man of honor, even more than intellect, that he is utterly terrified to marry God, as it were, to commit to Him fully, without being 100% sure.
The unfortunate problem with this thinking is that in marriage, in life, and even in God, our human capacity will never reach the level of assurance required for some people.
Love and commitment require a majority percentage of knowledge and a minority percentage of faith. We will never, in this form of our eternal existence, have the total assurance we seek and we have to humbly say, "Lord, You gave me enough - I choose to believe You. Just as you gave so much to us on credit, You deserve even more."
God bless Jordan, His family and everyone and anyone reading this and who brought this powerful video to us, in Jesus' name, amen.
Bottom line: keep it simple...Trust only in Christ Jesus without a lot of wordage. We are simple children of the One True God, Christ Jesus.
Peace, Joy and Love in the Most Holy Light of Christ Jesus.
After that interview, I don't believe he'll have anymore hesitations as you mentioned. I believe the shift that was yet needed was a little and that he did make that shift.
All I see is a man on a journey that will bring him to a full understanding of Christ and ALL He represents.
“… he that seeketh, findeth”. I’m certain Jordan will FIND!
Jordan is right, he takes religion seriously. The fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom. Jordan realise somthing all christians can learn from. When you understand you and take this serisouly, a healthy fear of the truth is only human. With all do respect it seems the cowboy isnt getting what jordan is saying. Never met a born again who was afraid first to let go of the world, acknowledging this fear is first step to overcoming it. Let Jordan go through his fear, I have faith he would come out other side. Actually jordan seems far more biblical then the cowboys "what you have to fear' argument. Jonah, Moses , the apostles, job, etc all feared letting go, all fear God. But fear is not the end of the story is the begining, its good Jordan is afraid, it means he understands, perhaps more then the cowboy. Jordan has far more understanding then maany christians I know who seem to have no fear of the lord at all, fear leads understanding and understanding lead away feom sin and too christ. Perhaps this lack of fear is why so many un repenting sinners in the faith today.
You nailed it with this clip Jaiden. And I have often wondered also what JP’s hesitation is to giving himself fully to Christ. At times it kinda seemed paradoxical since some of his most influential speeches have been around the subject of assuming responsibility and how one can find purpose and meaning through having responsibility. And yet he seems afraid or hesitant to assume the responsibility of believing in Christ. Just like it was outlined in this video, the beautiful simplicity of God’s message is so that even a child can grasp it’s meaning without unnecessarily complicating it. God had given us the ability to understand his message of love and of consequence. Let’s pray for JP.
It is so amazing how many Christian's are so quick to judge when they should know only God can judge only God and thank God for this.
Actually , John is not judging , he’s simply recognizing Jordan’s difficulty in understanding the new birth in Christ and how that leads us into all truth. Jordan hasn’t experienced the fullness of Christ , he’s getting there but he doesn’t quite understand the mystery of being born again and how faith in God and and the power of redemption leaves no doubt.
John is doing what Christians are called to do, spreading the Gospel and witnessing to the lost.
John 7:24 "Stop judging by mere appearances but judge correctly" the Bible says you will know them by their fruit which is of itself a judgment call.
The true definition of a true or false Christian, is true Christians are at war with their sin, a fake Christian is at peace with their sin.
I think it's abundantly clear that Jordan Peterson has come a long way and hopefully we will continue to move in his experience with God and drawing closer to him hopefully he fully Embraces Christ as his Lord and savior but judging the sincerity of someone with their real or false Christian is a part of being a Christian. the Bible tells us not to even have dinner with those who claim to be a Christian but are not. though I do not think Jordan Peterson qualifies as one of those type of people if you take that text in the full context you'll find out it's talking about people who are full of pride & unrepentant and Jordon is not full of pride.
@@RandolphTheWhite1that lie you just told is going to send people to hell....
@@GeorgeWashington283 Is it your job to know who is saved and who isn't?
@@RandolphTheWhite1 as a matter of fact yes
Amen!!!! Lord we pray in Jesus name, this mind that was made in Your image would be used for Your glory and Your purposes!!!
Open the eyes of and confound the wise, use the things that are foolish!
I speak Jesus over every reasoning that Jordan does!
We claim him for Your mighty kingdom God!!!!!
Jaiden, GREAT VIDEO, remain encouraged my brother in the faith! Blood of Jesus on this ministry
Jordan will be Catholic one day. 🙏🏼❤️🔥✝️
Orthodox more likely
Thank you, God, for John Rich and speaking through him.
Jesus is King of Kings, Lord of Lords! To whoever reads this, may God bless you to have an amazing life!!
Thank you for the great vids!! Keep it up
Dr Peterson has fought so hard and so long and it has cost him so much. I so want him to drop his incessant intellectualising (his mind must be a mental torture playground in fighting so hard and having to anticipate argument and counter-argument) and take that step of faith and just accept Jesus’ invitation at the end of Matthew, Chapter 11.
‘“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”’
Matthew 11:28-30
I wish for him Heavenly rest days here on Earth so that he has moments of JOY, PEACE, LOVE etc, before meeting Jesus face-to-face. I want for him to truly know Jesus; The true Jesus that will remove the burden off him and give him true rest.
Jaiden, you give me so much hope. Seeing a young man that understands the deepest truths and shares them to help open the eyes of others to the truth of Jesus Christ and the full gift of salvation. Thank you 🙏
I just heard Jordan confess Christ 5:38 and yet you shed doubt on his faith for eleven minutes after. I think the problem is with us as Christians, not with Jordan.
Thank you. I so tire of Christian's ideological dogma hanging by a loose thread of poor biblical interpretation. Separate the truth claims from religions from what's actually said in the scriptures and you have good reason why Jordan doesn't go there.
Agreed. Also, at 13:44 we can see that Rich completely misses Jordan’s whole point of “the question is, who are you inviting in?”
Many people are praying for Jordan Peterson to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. From all I have heard from him over the years is that intellectually agrees with what he understands that Jesus represents. I have not heard anything indicating that he has been born again according to John chapter 3. Being a Christian is more than intellectual ascent to a conglomeration of ideals. To be a Christian according to Jesus, you must be born again, and you must follow him. It’s a heart matter not an intellectual matter.
It’s OK to doubt until you clearly can see the reality of Christ in someone’s life. Jordan Peterson is absolutely wonderful and I believe that he will have his own personal epiphany. But everything that I have ever heard him say over the years, though intellectually brilliant and inspiring, has shown a lack of confidence in an intimate personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. That is not a criticism. It is simply an observation. You can ponder, Christianity intellectually endlessly, but until you yield to the call of God, Almighty to give your whole heart to him in obedience, repentance, and yielding to Jesus as Lord of your life, you are not a Christian.
The answer that Jordan usually gave when he is asked if he believes in Jesus Christ is "It depends on what you mean to believe."
Many christians groan at this because it sounds like hes dodging the question and to a degree he is. But listen to him speak about what the word believe means and it's akin to what the bibke says it means to believe.
That is a faith with works.
Jordan says he lives his life as though God does exist.
We know from the bible that a faith without works is dead.
Another reason that jordan says he doesn't come outright with it is because he doesn't want to be "claimed" by a denomination/church group.
Let's be real. As christians, we tend to care too much if a certain famous or well-known intellectual like jordan is part of our certain church group.
Jordan wants to avoid that.
Other than that, idk what else he's thinking.
Jordan, your terror is the chastening effect of god's Law on the sinner, you. The Gospel is the absolute promise of God that He forgives you, has mercy on you, and will live forever without sin in God's promise in Jesus Christ. Grasp the promise and hold on for dear life!
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Thanks for putting this together as he has so much content to sort through . I pray for Jordan often. If I ever met him I’d hope to do the same .
Instead of criticizing Jordan's intellectualism, I celebrate it and applaud him for turning it to Christ. Jordan has brought thousands, maybe millions of people, to God.
Peterson states that he has dedicated himself to Christ, and I believe hundreds of his videos demonstrate that. He was not shattered or broken down in this conversation. He was being respectful to John, a powerfully faithful man. The difference between Jordan's view of salvation and John Rich's view, I think, has to do with the interpretation of the meaning of Free Will. There are as many slightly different interpretations of soteriology as there are Christian sects, but there are fundamentally 2 camps that the 2 men represent.
Admittedly, the explanations below will be oversimplified, but, at the risk of offending everyone, I'll throw it out there...
John seems to represent the Protestant/Evangelical "I'm Saved" view. It is the "faith alone" and "once saved, always saved, I-know-I'm-saved" view of salvation, with its literal interpretation of the Bible (except for the parables...which are metaphors spoken by Jesus). Some people are the Elect and will, therefore, accept faith and grace; others are the Non-Elect and, therefore, will not be offered faith and grace. The Elect do the will of God, the Non-Elect do not. Period. In this view, the role of free will is fuzzy, but the certainty of salvation is high (unless you are one of the Non-Elect, and if you are, you probably don't want to admit that to yourself).
Jordan seems to me to represent more of the Catholic/Orthodox "Treasure Hunt" view. It is the "faith plus works" and "I'll find out if I'm saved when I die" view of salvation. This view respects free will but offers less certainty. Faith plus works is not to be confused with Virtue Signaling; it is unearned faith and unearned grace, followed by free will-driven, grace-inspired action. Once faith is firmly acknowledged, a treasure hunt begins, and the treasure is heaven. In this view, all are called, but not all will answer. One can be a spectator, or one can take action. This view leads to a lifetime of falling down, standing up, falling down again, standing up again, in which the sinner repents, corrects, and ultimately redirects his/her will to God's will, in the hope of being with God for eternity. It involves a contextual view of the Bible and all its symbolism which correlates the New Testament with the Old Testament. Faith is a gift, but the person chooses to accept it or not. Grace is a gift, but the person chooses to act on it or not. One cannot merit forgiveness, but one can choose to accept Jesus' sacrifice. It requires total submission to Him, and the corresponding forgiveness of oneself and others. Life becomes an adventure full of mirages, shattered fantasies, unexpected pitfalls, betrayals, challenges, and pain...as well as visions, dreams, unexpected blessings, loyalty, beauty, and joy...in which Jesus is the one true compass leading to the Gates of Heaven. Join the hunt or not. Stay in the hunt or quit. It's your decision. Faith is just the beginning of the journey. God gives us the choice to love Him or to reject Him. God's unearned gifts of faith and grace (treasure map) + grace-powered freely-willed actions (dedicating mind/body/spirit to the arduous journey) = Destination Heaven. Psychology can identify the wounds/obstacles, but only Jesus can heal them. Only Jesus can recognize and neutralize Evil. That is why the Bible, in its literal and symbolic interpretations, can be used to answer the psychological mystery. That is why Jordan's prior knowledge is given new meaning, new life, new direction, by his study of the Bible. It is why, through submission to Jesus, we cauterize our wounds, discard our masks, overcome Evil, and allow our true selves emerge from the ruins.
I say, "Jordan...keep using all your gifts, and all your knowledge in the service of God. Keep reaching those who were unreachable."
Thank you for giving such an accurate, truthful and Christian answer instead of some of these posturing comments. God bless you for your discernment and speaking up
There is a way that seems right to a man,but in the end leads to death. Proverbs 14:12
The dynamic between God and Abraham had nothing to do with "adventure". It was God commanding His creation to obey Him and for His will to be done. It had nothing to do with how Abraham perceived the situation and all about God's plan bring realized.
It has a lot to do with adventure. Obedience is adventure… Jesus’ life was full of adventure bcoz he chose to obey God. Remember satan offered him an easy way out in his temptation but he chose to obey God… That is true adventure cos it isn’t an easy path to walk in…
@enockawuley8444 In that context, I agree with you on the word "adventure" but I feel the context JP was using it was in the sense of something that excited and benefited Abraham. My ultimate point was that it wasn't about Abraham, it was about God and I feel JP was making it about how Abraham felt.
@@305dave yeah I get u from the God point of view… so he is the initiator of the adventure.
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This guy didn't humble Dr. Peterson. He is questioning someone else's walk with Jesus. It is not his place. This comes from the arrogance of believing that you are somehow "more saved" or more correct with your walk than another. This is why many Christians don't go to church today to avoid people like this.
Wow. Excellent work, Jaiden. Thank you. Jordan listens to John Rich humbly and openly, not defensively. He seems to sense he is limited or crippled in some way. I think he lives in a kind of mirror universe created by his intellect. Outside of that intellect, perhaps for him there is nothing but terrifying chaos. But when he was still a little child in his mother's arms, his world would have been real. . .