I honestly think that General Shepherd is a well made character. He always cared about himself. He wanted everyone to admire him and when his army died he absolutely lost it. No one cared so he sacrificed his own to kill Vladimir Makarov. Even though he failed, I think the developers did a very good job.
Both lost all their men in an instant. Both events made the other almost go crazy. Only real difference was that Pierson wasn't at the highest level of command, so he now strictly follows orders while Shepherd started WW3. I feel Pierson had the sadder story due to how personal it was to him. Shepherd didn't watch his men get killed with his own eyes. Now Pierson has to live with the consequences of his own actions while Shepherd lost his mind to the point he couldn't see anything other his own desire for American supremacy.
Yeah, shepherd just lost it and immediately thought that people didn't care that thousands of soldiers lost their lives for their country and he now wants people to be more patriotic and willing to fight for their country.
That probably would of been a neat DLC, maybe they could of made a campaign where you use Pierson in the past, or a campaign with several flashback missions? Man I wish this game was still getting support.
To me it feels like Pierson had it rough by losing his platoon at Kasserine Pass by disobeying orders (I had a grand uncle who probably would've somewhat felt sorry for Pierson because my grand uncle was an Squad leader in World War 2). Gen. Sheperd on the other hand yes he lost 30000 Marines in the blink of an eye but working with a terrorist to start a World War doesn't justify the means of wanting everyone to know what it's like to be in the military to sacrifice themselves to defend freedom and have the US full of patriotic citizens.
Correct me if I’m wrong but general shepherd “working” with a terrorist was a deep undercover mission to gain makarovs trust to somehow gain an upper hand
Back then call of duty would always give these characters depth and reason to the decisions they made and made them iconic. But comparing back then to now seems easy since back then it would beat what call of duty has become now.
It's easy to see how and why Pierson became who he did. He never really seemed to recover fully from the events of Kasserine. And then when Turner was KIA, and Pierson was basically forced back into command due to being the next highest ranked in that unit, it probably opened those old wounds back up. Pierson probably thought he was making the right call at the time at Kasserine, wanting to get all of his men out, and it ended up being the wrong move. You never know how a choice is gonna go until it's attempted to be carried out, and at that point, it's too late to take it back. Like Turner tells Daniels, there's the bad option and the worse option, you can go left you can go right, and sometimes there really is no right choice, it's comes to a matter of morals and what is the seemingly lesser evil at the time.
5:02 too many people that have never served in the military, and even many that have don’t understand the fact that just because there are orders does not mean that they are to be followed. It literally states that both in the enlisted and officer oath when you enlist or commission that you will follow legal and lawful orders of people appointed above you, that being the important distinction. Not every order that comes down is considered to be a lawful order. Depending on what type of order or depending on a potential outcome, such as a whole unit getting wiped out can constitute in order being considered on lawful or illegal. The difference between the US military and many other militaries is that we don’t blind leaf just follow orders and we have a structure that is set up with leaders at different levels that have the ability to make decisions in the field in violation of potential orders from people higher than them that are not there. One of the main things about, the front line fighting is that the commander on the ground has the final decision on almost every aspect of the battle. A lieutenant or a captain on the ground or even an NCO if there’s not an officer present, has overriding authority for many scenarios and circumstances over somebody that ranks them that is back at a TOC. This has been some thing that the US military, particularly the army, such as the main group that you play as in the game, where commanders on the field, have the ability to ignore or change things or make it different decisions than what they’ve been ordered to by higher-ups that are further back in the rear. The people on the ground in the fight, always have the better view of the circumstances of the fight over commanders back in the rear in almost every scenario. In the US military commanders on the ground, have the ultimate authority on whether or not to carry out orders given to them by somebody who is not there. Now continually ignoring orders just because you want to not a legitimate reason or excuse for a commander on the ground to do that. You don’t constantly see Junior officers and NCO on the ground, continually telling commanders in the rear that they’re not following the order. That ability is reserved for circumstances, like the one presented in this particular scenario in the game. As a senior NCO on the front line, knowing that it would cost too high of casualties to try and assault right away without waiting for reinforcements, Pear would’ve absolutely had the authority per regulation to at the very least postpone and attack if not refuse to do so altogether. So no Pearson is not simply following orders, and doing the right thing, which is what Turner is trying to point out to him. What Turner is trying to remind him is that as a leader at that level of a platoon or company level which is the main components on a ground combat operation, your biggest priority for the mission is to try and preserve as much life as you can if possible. Now before some of the people out there get all hemmed up on that and talk about how the officers job is not to worry about casualties, but to complete the mission as that is something that is often and grain by NCOs into junior officers, that is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the fact that officers and NCOs have the ability to modify plans or make their own decisions on the ground to change strategies to a strategy that still completes the mission wall having the potential to cause less casualties.
Yeah, Not all Orders are the best to listen to when it comes to a greater crisis. While all your men are suffering and dying...saying abandoning your men...Seeing dying and suffering...and you just watched in fear and trauma..
When you crack and become broken here's some advice allow yourself to break and then remind yourself why you broke turn all of that anger onto yourself and the objectives you need to get done but don't put people in the way instead do the decisions that put you in harms way because if you die then you die your expendable when your broken but remember that others arent broken and arent expendable then you will actually be right when you do things.
For me, Pierson’s story is more pitiful than Shepherd’s… Yes, Shepherd lost around 30,000 men, probably a higher amount than Pierson lost… But, the path Shepherd chose is just unacceptable, creating a war just to make himself look better… Still, Shepherd was a well made character in OG MW2…
WWIII was all Shepard and Makarov’s fault. We all know in reality nothing good will come of the U.S. and Russia going to war. The world would be destroyed.
My grandad used to say “there two types of choices in this world: the right choice and the lazy choice, and anyone who talks about making the hard choices are the ones who make the lazy choices”
Shepard’s decision to approve the rescue didn’t cause anything they were a a small unit out of the 30k who were caught in the blast, they wouldn’t have made it out either way
I almost feel kind of bad for Shepherd because he was faced with a double edged sword when his unit asked to rescue Pelayo, he either could deny it and have them escape the blast radius of the nuke but risk Pelayo being captured by the OpFor and raped since if you read what happens with female POWs in wartime, then yeah I don’t have to elaborate hence why she genuinely sounded scared and afraid for her life when they were moving in like sharks that just smelled blood in the water. The other option as you saw was grant his unit permission to rescue Pelayo but risk being caught in the blast radius of the nuke when it goes off
I honestly have to go with Piersons story. Like imagine being in his position where you are told to fall back but some of your men are trapped. Pierson made a choice and disobeyed orders, costing him the lives of his men. “Choices have consequences” -Ghost, MW 2022
10:29 rip Keating and he got left behind and what interesting was that they were heading straight to the nuke in the beginning but when you rescues the down piot they were leaving the city
The overlord voice was the same in cod 4 and mw2 i didnt know it was shepherd cause in mw3 i was hey new overlord voice lol till i played mw3 2023 and man oh man was nostalgic to hear og overlord voice on radio again
shepherd is the saddest one remember after the nuclear detonation u can still see that there was a few soldiers who was exposed in radation i think shepherd also heard those men asking for help while slowly dying in painful ways being exposed in the radiation and while the world is watching he says he can't accept it so he went rogue and do his own way, apparently price will not do that but the memory and the trauma will follow
Some of the general shepherd story was inaccurate. He knew it would be an attack on the airport (no Russian) just so he could make a world war and kill Makarov who killed those 30 thousand men. And the intel was on the DSL in (Loose ends) that said “that he let the attack on the airport (No Russian) go without alerting anyone,” so he killed Roach and Ghost so no one would know. So he did it all for revenge… but he never got it.
What the hell are you on about?? Sheperd wasn't the one who made the decision to go back for Cobra. He didn't order Jackson and his squad to do so either. That's giving too much credit to someone sitting behind a desk for the bravery of the peple with their boots on the ground.
@AngelYt-xs6yy That's a gross misunderstanding of Sheperd. Firstly, whoever said anything about people laughing at the nuke that killed 50,000 service-members? Sheperd never said anything about people making fun of that. His exact qoute was, "I lost 50,000 men in the blink of an eye and the world just fucking watched." He was angry and disappointed that there wasn't a surge of people enlisting after The Nuke. That motivation isn't at all similar to Pierson's. Furthermore, Sheperd never made a choice. Al Asad/Makarov set off the Nuke without warning. That's not the same thing as getting men killed to try and save others trapped behind enemy lines, despite being ordered to abandon them.
YOOOOO I PLAYED THE WHOLE COD GAME THERES A LIITLE GIRL AND OTHER PEOPLE BUT THE GIRL STAYS AND DANIEL GOS TO SAVE HIM BUT THE GERMAN STORM THAT BASEMENT SO U SNEAK OUT AND COVER THE TRUCK THE MEN ARE ON PLEASE LIKE BTW 👇
Hudson and Farid were CIA. Both didn't go crazy, they were just threatened by same man, Raul Menendez. Hudson made Woods shoot Nexus Target, who he thought Menendez but it was Mason. He did it because Menendez had David Mason captured. Hudson sacrificed his own life when Menendez said "one more must die". Farid on the other hand, he's placed next to Menendez by CIA. Farid's forced to kill Harper by Menendez. He either aimed at Menendez (resulting himself getting killed) or he had to kill Harper to not to blow his cover (prompting he sacrifices his life for Karma and/or Briggs).
Kasiren pass was in Africa American forces were holding the pass until Rommel decided to take on the Americans the Americans have only fought vinchy French units not full on experience ones they were pushed back more an more until Patton arrived to command
@@tecno-killer7702 If the commando was Shepherd why did he say in shock and awe (All call signs this is overlord) instead of him saying (all call signs this is shepherd)
@@last-genth3ne647communication in military can vary based on certain circumstances… At that time, Shepherd was the one who commanded the marines on Al-asad capture mission, so he didn’t need to identify with his name… Probably…
I honestly think that General Shepherd is a well made character. He always cared about himself. He wanted everyone to admire him and when his army died he absolutely lost it. No one cared so he sacrificed his own to kill Vladimir Makarov. Even though he failed, I think the developers did a very good job.
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Fuck shepherd he killed ghost and roach because he got betrayed still sad but he shouldn’t have done that to Ghost and Roach so fuck shepherd.
Both lost all their men in an instant. Both events made the other almost go crazy. Only real difference was that Pierson wasn't at the highest level of command, so he now strictly follows orders while Shepherd started WW3.
I feel Pierson had the sadder story due to how personal it was to him. Shepherd didn't watch his men get killed with his own eyes. Now Pierson has to live with the consequences of his own actions while Shepherd lost his mind to the point he couldn't see anything other his own desire for American supremacy.
Yeah, shepherd just lost it and immediately thought that people didn't care that thousands of soldiers lost their lives for their country and he now wants people to be more patriotic and willing to fight for their country.
i wish cod ww2 made a mission when we play as pierson during the kasserine pass just so we can see how it all really went down
huh a flashback mission, would be cool lol
That probably would of been a neat DLC, maybe they could of made a campaign where you use Pierson in the past, or a campaign with several flashback missions? Man I wish this game was still getting support.
To me it feels like Pierson had it rough by losing his platoon at Kasserine Pass by disobeying orders (I had a grand uncle who probably would've somewhat felt sorry for Pierson because my grand uncle was an Squad leader in World War 2). Gen. Sheperd on the other hand yes he lost 30000 Marines in the blink of an eye but working with a terrorist to start a World War doesn't justify the means of wanting everyone to know what it's like to be in the military to sacrifice themselves to defend freedom and have the US full of patriotic citizens.
Correct me if I’m wrong but general shepherd “working” with a terrorist was a deep undercover mission to gain makarovs trust to somehow gain an upper hand
Vengeance won’t bring the men back
That part. It'll only bring madness
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Yeah,leave it to God to punish. It will only make things a lot worse if you claim vengeance.
Back then call of duty would always give these characters depth and reason to the decisions they made and made them iconic. But comparing back then to now seems easy since back then it would beat what call of duty has become now.
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I feel like most of us say Shepherd because we saw what happened for him. But for Pierson we just hear a story
It's easy to see how and why Pierson became who he did. He never really seemed to recover fully from the events of Kasserine. And then when Turner was KIA, and Pierson was basically forced back into command due to being the next highest ranked in that unit, it probably opened those old wounds back up. Pierson probably thought he was making the right call at the time at Kasserine, wanting to get all of his men out, and it ended up being the wrong move. You never know how a choice is gonna go until it's attempted to be carried out, and at that point, it's too late to take it back. Like Turner tells Daniels, there's the bad option and the worse option, you can go left you can go right, and sometimes there really is no right choice, it's comes to a matter of morals and what is the seemingly lesser evil at the time.
5:02 too many people that have never served in the military, and even many that have don’t understand the fact that just because there are orders does not mean that they are to be followed. It literally states that both in the enlisted and officer oath when you enlist or commission that you will follow legal and lawful orders of people appointed above you, that being the important distinction. Not every order that comes down is considered to be a lawful order. Depending on what type of order or depending on a potential outcome, such as a whole unit getting wiped out can constitute in order being considered on lawful or illegal. The difference between the US military and many other militaries is that we don’t blind leaf just follow orders and we have a structure that is set up with leaders at different levels that have the ability to make decisions in the field in violation of potential orders from people higher than them that are not there. One of the main things about, the front line fighting is that the commander on the ground has the final decision on almost every aspect of the battle. A lieutenant or a captain on the ground or even an NCO if there’s not an officer present, has overriding authority for many scenarios and circumstances over somebody that ranks them that is back at a TOC. This has been some thing that the US military, particularly the army, such as the main group that you play as in the game, where commanders on the field, have the ability to ignore or change things or make it different decisions than what they’ve been ordered to by higher-ups that are further back in the rear. The people on the ground in the fight, always have the better view of the circumstances of the fight over commanders back in the rear in almost every scenario. In the US military commanders on the ground, have the ultimate authority on whether or not to carry out orders given to them by somebody who is not there. Now continually ignoring orders just because you want to not a legitimate reason or excuse for a commander on the ground to do that. You don’t constantly see Junior officers and NCO on the ground, continually telling commanders in the rear that they’re not following the order. That ability is reserved for circumstances, like the one presented in this particular scenario in the game. As a senior NCO on the front line, knowing that it would cost too high of casualties to try and assault right away without waiting for reinforcements, Pear would’ve absolutely had the authority per regulation to at the very least postpone and attack if not refuse to do so altogether. So no Pearson is not simply following orders, and doing the right thing, which is what Turner is trying to point out to him. What Turner is trying to remind him is that as a leader at that level of a platoon or company level which is the main components on a ground combat operation, your biggest priority for the mission is to try and preserve as much life as you can if possible. Now before some of the people out there get all hemmed up on that and talk about how the officers job is not to worry about casualties, but to complete the mission as that is something that is often and grain by NCOs into junior officers, that is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the fact that officers and NCOs have the ability to modify plans or make their own decisions on the ground to change strategies to a strategy that still completes the mission wall having the potential to cause less casualties.
Yeah, Not all Orders are the best to listen to when it comes to a greater crisis. While all your men are suffering and dying...saying abandoning your men...Seeing dying and suffering...and you just watched in fear and trauma..
When you crack and become broken here's some advice allow yourself to break and then remind yourself why you broke turn all of that anger onto yourself and the objectives you need to get done but don't put people in the way instead do the decisions that put you in harms way because if you die then you die your expendable when your broken but remember that others arent broken and arent expendable then you will actually be right when you do things.
Sounds painful
@Oowee1337 two types of pain in this world pain that hurts and pain that changes.
For me, Pierson’s story is more pitiful than Shepherd’s… Yes, Shepherd lost around 30,000 men, probably a higher amount than Pierson lost… But, the path Shepherd chose is just unacceptable, creating a war just to make himself look better… Still, Shepherd was a well made character in OG MW2…
COD also made a mistake with that one. Shepherd is army and those 30000 men were marines.
WWIII was all Shepard and Makarov’s fault. We all know in reality nothing good will come of the U.S. and Russia going to war. The world would be destroyed.
If Elias saved Rorke in Ghosts, the Federation wouldn’t exist, the ODIN strikes wouldn’t have happened, he he wouldn’t be dead.
My grandad used to say “there two types of choices in this world: the right choice and the lazy choice, and anyone who talks about making the hard choices are the ones who make the lazy choices”
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Pierson this isn't transformers!
Shepard’s decision to approve the rescue didn’t cause anything they were a a small unit out of the 30k who were caught in the blast, they wouldn’t have made it out either way
Damn Hardest choices ever.....
Man WW2 was a awesome game
But which we probably didn’t need although it’s still awesome.
I agree
I almost feel kind of bad for Shepherd because he was faced with a double edged sword when his unit asked to rescue Pelayo, he either could deny it and have them escape the blast radius of the nuke but risk Pelayo being captured by the OpFor and raped since if you read what happens with female POWs in wartime, then yeah I don’t have to elaborate hence why she genuinely sounded scared and afraid for her life when they were moving in like sharks that just smelled blood in the water. The other option as you saw was grant his unit permission to rescue Pelayo but risk being caught in the blast radius of the nuke when it goes off
I honestly have to go with Piersons story. Like imagine being in his position where you are told to fall back but some of your men are trapped. Pierson made a choice and disobeyed orders, costing him the lives of his men.
“Choices have consequences”
-Ghost, MW 2022
As kids we hated them but as we got older we understood why they did what they did
10:29 rip Keating and he got left behind and what interesting was that they were heading straight to the nuke in the beginning but when you rescues the down piot they were leaving the city
The overlord voice was the same in cod 4 and mw2 i didnt know it was shepherd cause in mw3 i was hey new overlord voice lol till i played mw3 2023 and man oh man was nostalgic to hear og overlord voice on radio again
Nostalgia plays such a big role in gaming!
shepherd is the saddest one remember after the nuclear detonation u can still see that there was a few soldiers who was exposed in radation i think shepherd also heard those men asking for help while slowly dying in painful ways being exposed in the radiation and while the world is watching he says he can't accept it so he went rogue and do his own way, apparently price will not do that but the memory and the trauma will follow
The sadder one has to be Pierson he tried saving them and lost them all that’s just messed up
I understood why pierson was the way he was. I was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and my friends a lot of my men died there.
Never understood why COD WW2 was hated on so bad. The campaign was amazing, and while multiplayer was mid it was still overall good
Some of the general shepherd story was inaccurate. He knew it would be an attack on the airport (no Russian) just so he could make a world war and kill Makarov who killed those 30 thousand men. And the intel was on the DSL in (Loose ends) that said “that he let the attack on the airport (No Russian) go without alerting anyone,” so he killed Roach and Ghost so no one would know. So he did it all for revenge… but he never got it.
We need a cod pacific war games with the same elements as cod ww2.
All these sacrifices… feel real
What about tuner in ww2 cod in I think death factory he sadly got hit and wanted the men to leave him and he said “No sacrifice to great GO”
Turner is voice like Merrick is voice in cod ghosts
Lol Merrick and turner have the same voice actor
@@makman1376How in the world did you understand what he typed?
@@jollama cause I recognise Jeffrey pierce's voice anywhere
I was looking for a call of duty game that had the kasserine pass mission and all I found was call of duty 2 big red one
U was supposed to survive that place crash in mw1 and fight ur way through the city but they cut that part out
What the hell are you on about??
Sheperd wasn't the one who made the decision to go back for Cobra. He didn't order Jackson and his squad to do so either. That's giving too much credit to someone sitting behind a desk for the bravery of the peple with their boots on the ground.
@AngelYt-xs6yy That's a gross misunderstanding of Sheperd.
Firstly, whoever said anything about people laughing at the nuke that killed 50,000 service-members? Sheperd never said anything about people making fun of that. His exact qoute was, "I lost 50,000 men in the blink of an eye and the world just fucking watched." He was angry and disappointed that there wasn't a surge of people enlisting after The Nuke.
That motivation isn't at all similar to Pierson's. Furthermore, Sheperd never made a choice. Al Asad/Makarov set off the Nuke without warning. That's not the same thing as getting men killed to try and save others trapped behind enemy lines, despite being ordered to abandon them.
But I think Sargent Pierson lost more men then shepherd because shepherd lost 30,00 men but Pierson lost double the men back in ww2
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Pierson is sadder.
Sheperd was a glory-hound.
Five years ago....
This game looks cool idk why people hated it
how did you knew that Shepherd was the one in the comms? audio doesnt sound like Shepherd
Fun fact: Cobra Pilot is a female person.....
The Carry is different from MW2 original vs MW2 remastered.....
Pierson shall be death, not Turner .....
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YOOOOO I PLAYED THE WHOLE COD GAME THERES A LIITLE GIRL AND OTHER PEOPLE BUT THE GIRL STAYS AND DANIEL GOS TO SAVE HIM BUT THE GERMAN STORM THAT BASEMENT SO U SNEAK OUT AND COVER THE TRUCK THE MEN ARE ON PLEASE LIKE BTW
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piers and sheperd are the saddest
Pierson when out a hero general Shepherd he was oki at best
nahhhh seriously not hudson or farid from bo2???
Hudson and Farid were CIA. Both didn't go crazy, they were just threatened by same man, Raul Menendez.
Hudson made Woods shoot Nexus Target, who he thought Menendez but it was Mason. He did it because Menendez had David Mason captured. Hudson sacrificed his own life when Menendez said "one more must die".
Farid on the other hand, he's placed next to Menendez by CIA. Farid's forced to kill Harper by Menendez. He either aimed at Menendez (resulting himself getting killed) or he had to kill Harper to not to blow his cover (prompting he sacrifices his life for Karma and/or Briggs).
Pierson irritated the hell out of me. That being said, a small part of me understood why he was such a dick
The WW2 is autenthic...for the story only...the rest is just vanguard beta
Kasiren pass was in Africa American forces were holding the pass until Rommel decided to take on the Americans the Americans have only fought vinchy French units not full on experience ones they were pushed back more an more until Patton arrived to command
But... the command is Overlord, not Shepherd (He identifies himself at the beginning of Shock and awe)
It has been confirmed later on, they are the same person
Is this why Shepherd said he lost 30,000 Men at the end of endgame?
@@last-genth3ne647 yep, he is talking of THESE 30.000 men
@@tecno-killer7702 If the commando was Shepherd why did he say in shock and awe (All call signs this is overlord) instead of him saying (all call signs this is shepherd)
@@last-genth3ne647communication in military can vary based on certain circumstances… At that time, Shepherd was the one who commanded the marines on Al-asad capture mission, so he didn’t need to identify with his name… Probably…
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