Most people have their own "keeps me up at night" case that they dwell on. Most are Jon Benet or Maddie Mccann. Tanner ward has been the one that keeps me up at night for years now. Ive been wanting someone to cover this since i first heard of it. So glad Danelle did it. Tysm!
Isn't that the TRUTH! Both of those sweet angels and Summer Wells, Dylan Rounds, the West boys and so many others! I try to remind myself of the fact that we have DNA and all of those awesome advances and data bases. We have come a LONG way indeed, otherwise there would be so many more cases like these haunting us.
Like if it was a natural suicide where tf are his feet??? If a squirrel or bird or something took it after it fell off (again.. even that sounds weird because it would have smelled and had the decomposition falling from the tree… sorry but I’m being realistic. And he would have like … eh nvm) but someone would have likely seen a squirrel or bird eating a human foot unless it was perfectly dragged out of sight. But if that’s the case… where is the decomposition material that should be in the soil? Did they test the soil? I AM SPIRALING.
Also keep in mind that had his body been there from the beginning, there would’ve been bird activity, such as vultures circling the area of his body which would’ve been noticed by people who frequent the area. I don’t buy that nobody would’ve at least noticed the smell.
they would have noticed the smell, but nobody would have looked up. Nobody would expect a body to be in a tree. They probably just thought it was a deer or something if they walked past him
I see vultures all the time, circling and I instantly think about it, but I watch true crime AND pay attention to animals anyway. It's crazy to me that every time I mention circling vultures whoever I'm with says they never even noticed.
@@EveRaena I can tell you from firsthand experience that a decaying human body has a very distinct smell and doesn’t smell like any other animal other than being similar to pigs. That’s another thing. Had they used cadavers dogs in the area, the dogs would’ve picked up on the smell almost instantly if he had been hanging in the tree.
Would his body not have fallen out of the tree with time ? I thought decomposition would have caused his body to fall -as in the head and body separating from each other as the body decomposes, causing the body to fall to the ground from the rope. It just makes me wonder.
@@lucbelcher7256 it had already hit the upper 80's if not 90's I remember that being one of their reasons for telling us not up look for him besides messing up possible evidence if foul play was involved.
I live in Missouri, only some minutes away from Trenton and my cousin is the one who actually told me about this case while it was going on. I can absolutely attest to the fact that this state doesn't have dry heat. At all. Ever. Summers are always incredibly hot and humid and storms are very common. Everyone who lives in and around Trenton knows he didn't commit suicide. But, when you have the authorities saying he did most people who aren't from around here tend to believe it. Everyone around here knows he was murdered and everyone knows who did it.
I live in Kirksville & heard about this case about a year or so after it happened. If the townspeople know who did it, why are they so afraid to speak? Another instance where everyone is afraid of the town bully?
Tanner is from my hometown and this case personally means a lot to me and I am so happy it’s finally getting the coverage it deserves. Thank you so so SO much ❤️
A good friend of mine - the type of friend who was always smiling and joking, and would do whatever to put a smile on your face, the type of friend who was always there and would never fail to reach out just to see how you’re doing - walked out of the house one day in a seemingly happy and content mood, and hung himself in a small wooded area on the side of the highway. A homeless man was the unfortunate soul who eventually found him… Sometimes we just don’t really know what someone is going through internally. They become so good at hiding it because they don’t want you to hurt or feel the way they do. It unfortunately happens far too often. However, I’m not so sure that’s what happened here. This is a tough one. I start to lean in one direction, but then I think of all the other circumstances that just don’t fit or make sense. Either way, whatever the truth may be, I hope his family finally gets the answers and peace of mind that they deserve.
The people with the brightest smile are usually the ones who are suffering the most and 95% of the time nobody even see's it or the signs until its to late.
Right. For most of the people who left us, there were no signs. And the people who have already said 100 times that they are doing something to themselves are still alive. Most of the time it just looks different inside people. However, in this case it really doesn't look like suicide.
I lost 5 people to suicide. They don't say anything because they don't want help. They don't want to live. They don't want to be stopped. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Danielle: WHY is nobody talking about Tanner's FEET?!? His attackers/killers are FREE! The police are LAZY. Did he walk to the tree on stumps?!? I wish you had gotten into this subject-it was ignored by EVERYONE!
She did talk about it. She said it's not unlikely that due to gravity, blood pooling, etc that his feet could've decayed. And then scavengers as well. I think it's really hard to have an opinion on things like his feet when the information available is so vague. (For example his feet were missing as in there were clean cuts, or his feet were missing as in decay/scavenger activity. You'd assume the police would've handled it differently if there were clean cuts, but we've all heard plenty of cases where something obvious like that was ignored, so who knows.
My step dad and step sister grew up in Trenton they are 100 percent not for anyone. My stepdad died in police custody and they tried to cover it up. Fortunately my sister was able to get a lawyer and sue them and she won over $1 million dollars. They absolutely do not give a shit about anyone in the area because they are addicts.
I feel so much for his family and friends. I've unfortunately witnessed how police can just brush off the death of an addict and not truly investigate. I had a good friend who unfortunately got herself into a bad cycle with drugs. She would be clean for a year and then fall back in with her old crowd and relapse. During one of those relapses, she was found outside a trailer with red markings on her neck. Police said she died of exposure and closed the case. Thats still how it remains today a few years later despite everyone thinking her friends that were in the trailer know more than what they are saying. She was so much more than just a drug addict, but that's all the police will see.
My husband’s cousin was brutally attacked and left for dead a few years ago. He’s barely alive, will never walk again, has had multiple strokes, can’t live without medical assistance. He had a couple of minor drug convictions and the cops decided on scene that he was jumped for drugs and they weren’t going to investigate. He had a joint left in his pocket but his shoes, wallet, shirt and hat were missing. He was also beaten elsewhere and dropped where he was found. The cops don’t seem to think a crime was committed because he has a past with drugs. It’s absolutely infuriating. We lost all evidence years ago, no one swabbed him for any DNA even though he had multiple massive defensive wounds. Whatever was used to crush his skull left behind evidence which was just tossed. They do not care.
it’s so awful. they refused to look for my big brother because of his addiction. the cops acted like nothing could’ve happened to him since he had a warrant. despite me telling them he had a baby now and would never disappear on him. i literally begged them to file a missing persons report and to please just look for him as it had been 3 weeks. he was found by tenants in a room in the basement laundry room of his apartment complex. he had been there for a fucking month. he was a person. a human being. addiction does not take away someone’s worth. it’s disgusting and needs to be changed.
@@junebugx1312 It makes me nervous honestly. I’ve been sober nearly 15 years but is that enough that if I were to disappear it would be taken seriously? I’m married with two kids but it kinda sticks in my head.
@@maggiekarabel123I met a woman in NA whose sister went missing with almost 10 years clean. The police assumed she relapsed and refused to put any effort into finding her. I know the family hired a PI but other than that I don’t know if they ever found any answers. Of course it’s possible that’s what happened, but with that much clean time it’s just as likely that something else happened to her. One thing I’ve learned being in and out of recovery, having had over 6 years at one point, is that doctors and police especially will never see you as anything other than an addict. Especially if you have a record. I and others I know have some horror stories.
The cops should be looking for a pulley at the apartment and rural homestead and check if there’s matching rope fiber on it if one is found. It doesn’t add up to suicide.
This occurred in my neck of the woods. My ex knew Tanner. When he went missing, she was incredibly scared for her own safety and went into hiding. Yes, she was into drugs. She was relieved when he was found, but always talked about the people who "did that" to him. I didn't get any names from her (due to the paranoia she had surrounding what she claimed to know) 😔
I will say just knowing Jeremiah was one of the people held captive changes absolutely everything and makes me think it’s very improbable that this was self inflicted
Even if his death was actually suicide/self-inflicted, he could've still been forced to do it. It's a cop-out idea to assume it's not just because. You could hold a gun on someone and force them to shoot themselves, threaten their family. Maybe he had secrets, maybe it was revenge and they said if he doesn't do what they want they're gonna get his fiance or kid, etc
If so, then how on earth are his legs missing and why were his hands mummified? Why didn't anyone see his body hanging from a tree so many days ago? This doesn't add up. The most likely scenario is that his body wasn't there and someone put it afterwards. If he was going to kill himself, at least one person in his family or friends would have noticed something in his behavior, maybe not realizing it at the time, but after learning what happened they probably would. It makes no sense, this looks like a crime scene setup to throw the investigation off track. I have no idea, but that's how it looks to me
@@VIRUS_DO_NOT_OPEN bro you're on the wrong channel. That's not karma. Karma would be if he got Robbed. Robbing some1 doesnt equal death. That's INSANE.
I don't buy that AT ALL. No1 is making me hang myself. You gonna have 2 shoot me. They pointing a gun so he climbs a tree and does that? Nooo way. Either he was murdered or willingly killed himself. That theory is Assanine. Its not a movie. No1 would do that.
@@VIRUS_DO_NOT_OPEN you're on a channel where the family will come and look at comments. This is not okay or nice at all. As another commenter stated, karma is having the same thing done back to him. Not be murdered
@@ΓιώργοςΚαπάτος Hmmmm, my friend, tell me this. What's more plausible between these two scenarios? scenario A, The guy hung himself from a tree or scenario B, His friend of whom he trusted enough to visit his house and hangout, forced him to climb up a tree and hang himself. You can't be fucking serious.
In my opinion, when it is hot and humid out, all sorts of things would happen to a decomposing body. Without going into too much detail, animals and insects would definitely have been involved and the body would not be able to stay intact, hanging from the neck. The human body has gases that start to break down after just a few minutes. He could not have been there for 6 months in a hot & humid environment. I do not believe that at all. Someone had to have put his body there recently, prior to him being discovered. I am praying for this family. 🙏 sending nothimg but love and good vibes. Thank you for covering this case. This is the first time I have heard of it. May this young man rest in peace. ❤
In my opinion he wasn't I live in Trenton. The Carnation food processing plant (Trenton Foods) is just about a block in front of those woods my uncle lived next to those woods and had his windows and doors open to save $$ on air conditioning. He would have smelled so!e thing my other uncle drives a grain truck the bins are right across the street fro!m those woods again the smell.there are at least 2 churches in that area, kids rough house on the way to and from school it's a short cut because it's close to houses lots of them. Honestly I don't believe the police had anything to do with whatever happened, but I do believe they weren't too concerned when he went missing. A year ago he had been a pain in their butt from what this says, they probably figured he just went on a drug run that turned to a binder. They eventually looked into it if they went to that farm. The police chief did ask the community not to go out looking for him because we could mess up evidence if there was any or get hurt snakes love woods. I know my mother tried to go looking but at the time she was very sick and blessing internally so was only able to look inside one vacant house but only threw the windows. If you believe he hung himself there, ask yourseld, " Do you really believe with the population of busy body's what it is here that nobody would call the FDA. If they smelled something like that?" The WI d can't blow something like that away 24/7 for six months.
My brother was murdered March 2022 and I have been in this families shoes when it comes the stories of what happened to him by messages on fb ! It's effing disgusting and heart breaking to hear was viciously happened to your loved one and someone so effing close to you! This story hit home so hard xo I hope they get their answers ! Mt brother struggled addiction so his murderers are still walking because Noone cares enough 😢
I'm so sorry u are going through this! I went through the same with my brother! For what it's worth I CARE❤ prayers for your healing and your families just❤
This confuses me… If Jeremiah was one of the people that Tanner and his brother held hostage, then how did Tanner’s mother not know the name Jeremiah? And we’re told nobody in Tanner’s family knew a Jeremiah, but yet Tanner’s sister spotted Jeremiah sitting in a truck. What am I missing here?
8:50 Kelsey found out from someone where Jeremiah lived, went to his house, found the hat. They talked to him then. They later recognized him from when they talked previously after Tanner went missing. With a first name only, you wouldn't assume it was someone from years ago that he wronged.
I'm guessing after they learned Jeremiah was the last person Tanner was seen with, they did their research and found out what he looked like? 🤷♂️ She recognized him in the truck, weeks after she learned who he was and what he looked like.
Me too. Sometimes it goes too fast and I got lost too. But it sounds like the way it usually goes with a missing teen. Sadly. And another little innocent has lost her Daddy.💔🤦🏼♀️
The idea that all these people had been in that area but no one noticed Tanner? Ridiculous. I don't know about you, but i always try to take in the whole picture in front of me. When i lived in NYC, yes I could see you keep your head down and stay with the pedestrian flow. I don't think this was that type of environment. Not to mention the mummification and loss of feet? Did the police and medical examiner think no one would question their conclusion? Unbelievable. How frustrating and horrifying for Tanner and his family 😢
The evidence and situations in this case are just *so weird*. If he was there earlier the people in the area would've smelled that, no way, especially with decay and things dropping down to the leaf litter it couldn't have all been funneled up and away. But if he was moved there, how was he elongated from long term hanging? Was he just hanging somewhere else? And if he was, how'd they get up in the tree without those sawing marks from the rope? And seeing his previous victim right before this. God, I'm so sorry for his family, especially the daughter who'll grow up without him.
Appears like a poor staging. Corpse suddenly (after 6 months) shows up 20' up a tree, in a heavily trafficked area? The ball cap in the apartment? No feet! What?!!
We had a similar case in Germany. A young men climbed into a tree and died there. He was found there weeks after his death, mummified. There was never the question about homicide, but they still speculate why and whether he committed suicide. Nobody ever missed him.
Saddest part about that was the reason he took to climbing trees to sleep, he had sustained serious injuries after trying to defend his mother from his father in a vicious knife attack when he was 14, his mum sadly died from her injuries, his father got 12 years in prison, and he got sent to a youth home, he never recived adequate councilling and it obviously affected him very badly as he was unable to readjust. He got arrested a couple of times (I'm told for stealing food/freaking out in public? I can't find sources) but was released on condition he got psychiatric help, but considering how he had been treated so far I can see why he never wanted to go to it.
@@Galaxie08 I'm American living in America and this is the first time I'm reading about Tanner Ward's case. Tragedies occur everywhere and OFTEN. It's impossible for us to keep up with them all and THAT is probably for the best. It's very depressing.
This is just a speculation, but it's possible that he mentioned a random name that wasn't real to his mom because he was going to meet some person he didn't want his family to know about. He was young with a new family of his own, maybe at some point he felt that he needed money in order to meet the needs, he may think that he had no other choices in a small place like that, but to go to his past. And, unfortunately, that's exactly what happens sometimes in these situations. Such a small place where everyone knows everyone, it is possible for someone to know something and not talk.
Me too! I dont think it's out of the realm of possibility that he was hoisted up there. Wouldn't the tree rejuvenate somewhat over that period of time? Done stealthily in the night I don't think it an impossible endeavor for 1-2 people to do this.
@@ΓιώργοςΚαπάτος You are right unfortunately, especially for young Fathers, they can often feel overwhelmed, guilty or not worthy. I've been with the Father of my Children for 29 years, we were young parents and it's definitely something he struggled with through his 20's. Women tend to just get on with the job at hand.
I know what it's like to lose someone close to you due to suicide, you do go into complete denial "they were happy" yes as far as YOU know, you are not living in their head! I do think there are some sketchy things in this case but I think they're all able to be explained away. When you were discussing how he was found in the tree I started looking up high into the trees on the path I take to & from the school run & work every day & saw stuff I have never noticed before (kites, balls, huge nests ect.) When I hear these families say "they would never do that" my heart just breaks for them because I have been there & it is such a painful thing to get over & you DO look for someone, something ANYTHING to blame but sometimes there just isn't blame to be found. I wish his loved ones the best ☹️ x
This case is exttemely frustrating, indeed. What about the missing feet?? Birds? Were bone fragments found at the base of the tree where his pants supposedly rested as well? Shoes? No shoes? Were the feet cleanly cut off? Where were they, or at least some remnants of them? My head is spinning. This poor family is living a nightmare. Sending prayers to all of Tanner's loved ones.
I can’t even begin to imagine, nor do I want to as a mother of 4, the complexity & range of emotions experienced by everyone who loved Tanner! As parents (decent ones anyway) you always want to do what’s right by your kids. You want a better future for them than you had. Plus, how the hell do you ever look at a damn tree again? No parent should EVER have to bury their child.
This is a heartbreaking case. This young man had a beautiful family and all his life ahead of him :( Why the police didn't do anything to find Tanner? Why they didn't care about that Jeremiah and what Tanner's sister saw at his house? It made me think that thay knew what happened and they are protecting the person/persons that hurt Tanner. My deepest condolences to the family :(
Being from Missouri, this case doesn't sit right with me.. Tanner was found in 2018, hanging, ruled suicide. Trenton, MO One of my close friends Mariah Davis was found in 2018, hanging, ruled a suicide. Mexico, MO, there was absolutely no explanation.. they removed her body and did absolutely nothing. 😢😢
I think it’s interesting that he told his “mom” he was going to Jeremiah’s and she didn’t know him. Like he made sure to tell her the correct person in case something went off she would know where he was. Just a thought. Thank you for all the content. You relay these stories with so much empathy and respect. ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜💗 OneLoveMomma!😊😊
@@melsafken764 They probably would not think o he's going to see one of the hostages, they more than likely thought this was a completely different person that that had not met better.
My mom is a search and rescue K9 handler. The amount of times her team is either called late to a scene with an old and obscured scent trail or sometimes not even called at all. It's so sad. Resources the police have at hand are so often not used.
i’m literally in shock because when i saw his picture i was like oh, he looks familiar, then i heard trenton missouri…lives less than an hour away from me. how the hell did i not know more about his case?
You probably didn't know him personally ju!ss saw and heard about him. People get very involved in their own lives, and you probably mind your own business like I do. I'm also about ten years older than he was, so I even live in Trenton and didn't know him. It happens. You weren't oblivious to it you just didn't know him.
The whole "no sawing on the bark" thing doesn't make sense. He doesn't have to have been hoisted from ground level. If a group of people came out in the night with a ladder, they wouldn't have to hoist his body by dragging the rope over the branch, they could just tie it from the top of the ladder. It could also explain why the hanging doesn't seem like a drop hanging - he wouldn't be able to ease himself off a 20ft branch, but other people could ease him down with very little difficulty, creating the conditions of a suspension hanging. His feet being missing feels a lot like a revenge/torture aspect, and the smashed up apartment with his favourite hat sitting in the middle of it says a hell of a lot as well. Nothing about this looks like a suicide.
Especially since there is a construction site next door they wouldnt wven have to bring their own ladders if one of the perpetrators was an employee or just break in.
If they are going to test the shirt and have “enough” for a judge to give them a warrant to literally dig on his property…. WHY DIDNT THEY SEARCH THE APARTMENT??? Where the hat was found??? If they were sure that was his hat then??? Why would they not at least do a luminol test in the apartment to see if anything happened due to the scene? So weird… maybe it wasn’t his apartment? Weird
Danelle you're like a ray of sunshine ❤ Im so glad to see you getting the recognition you deserve!! I love watching you and John but I've gotten roku so i can watch you do your stuff on Mysteria 🥰🥰This case will prob never be truly solved but prayers for that family 🙏
Wow Danelle, I haven't heard this case before and I thought I had heard pretty much all of them. This was incredibly interesting. Thank you for covering a great case.
I feel like even if its obvious, every other avenue and possibility should be fully investigated before a self-inflicted determination is allowed to be made.
the first time i smelled a dead body i immediately got chills & started shaking. the smell was so bad i started crying. and i think about it everyday. there’s no way they didn’t smell that.
That's how we're all going to end up one of these days. Embalming doesn't last long at all. We turn into a stinky, smelly, thick soup inside of a small box. The smell lasts for decades under the ground. Not for me. Cremation is the way to go. Over and done with in a few hours.
The smell is unforgettable. Pungent and sweet in a horrific way. I used to work in body removal and the smell would linger in clothing for days, even after washing. No way no one could smell him if he'd been there for a long time. Plus the scavengers would be noticeable. Nature doesn't waste a thing.
@@NikkiC777 they do. There's been a couple of people that have done it in the uk. He probably didn't want to be found and thought being high enough would do it
@@cammey3 That seems worse really. Instead of knowing what happened to them, and that they did it to themselves, their family would always have questions about where they went, or what happened, if they were never found. Then when they were found everyone would wonder if they were murdered, or if they did it to themselves. Doing something like that and not making it a clear case of $uicide seems like they'd realize they're just leaving everyone with a bunch of unanswered questions. Of course it's better to not do that at all, and just seek help in that case.
@@alinam5092 Right yeah that would be a bit difficult too, carrying a full grown man's corpse up a tree would be very difficult to do. Ha now that you mention it it seems like an insane way to try and hide a body. Who knows though🤷♀️. I believe a lot of his friends and family think it was a homicide too though, so I don't want to discount the idea entirely, but it does make you wonder why wouldn't the murderer just go bury the body or dump it in the woods someplace. Could be the friends and family just don't want to believe it. It does not make sense to try and hide a body like that in a tree . If they were trying to make it look like a $uicide then they could have done it closer to the ground.
It makes no sense that they wouldn't have seen him, and if they didn't see HIM how could everyone have missed the clothes/shoes on the GROUND below him?!
My heart goes out to Tanner's loved ones. I think he was murdered. People can get to strange places that seem impossible to reach without help and there are often no warning signs before suicide. But the combo of the location of Tanner's body, all the statements about his demeanour and plans, and Jeremiah's involvement all leave me believing Tanner was murdered. I hope his case is properly investigated and the perpetrator(s) are brought to justice. RIP Tanner
Would you consider doing a spot on Kyron Horman? Been 13 years and really needs a boost! They know who killed him but no charges yet. Thank you either way, Danelle
Thank you Lois. I'm in Portland and Kyron is truly not forgotten! It would be great if someone could shine another light on the case. We want answers...😐
Oh I’ve heard this story before! It’s so bizarre and remind me of the Ellen Greenburg case. 😢😢. Love you Danelle, thank you for the hard work you put in to these and for advocating for those whose voice has been silenced. ❤
Ellen Greenberg’s death is one of the most ridiculous miscarriages of justice I’ve ever come across and they STILL have so much more information than Tanner’s family! They know what her injuries were, when she died, what happened beforehand, likely who killed her, and the fact that it’s physically impossible for her to have been the one to harm herself. It feels like they know nothing in Tanner’s case and as someone who had struggles with drugs and turned her life around thanks to a pregnancy, this is very very disturbing. Both of these cases have stuck in my mind heavily.
Well something obviously happened at Jerramiahs house if his cap was found on the floor and it was in that state. The hole in the wall could be from him kicking as he was dragged out the backdoor? Why hadn't Jerramiah returned to his apartment in that couple of days it seems like he was possiby somewhere else so the theory that Tanner was held somewhere holds up to me and people would have noticed him hanging in the tree if two schoolkids looked up because they heard the branch creaking, other people would have heard it too and smelled decomp, the 'high flying wind' theory is ridiculous.. I think it hasn't been looked into properly because of his past. The investigation should be oened back up or the files given to the family.
His hat being at Jeremiah's is proof he was there that day and it makes perfect sense that a drug-dealing hoodlum would want revenge, and would do the same thing, since they can't exactly go to the cops. As far as why Tanner randomly went over there, he could've needed money and thought J was an easy target but the tables turned when he realized more people were there, showed up or J pulled a gun first, etc. Tanner didn't plan on being gone long so that smacks of a 'quick robbery' to me. The newness and excitement of turning ones life around eventually becomes mundane, he very well could've had that itch for some quick cash, especially with the pressures of a new family. When I read mummified hands I instantly thought 'freezer'. During decomp, skin sluffs off so signs of torture would definitely be gone. 20ft isn't that high, it would be easy for Jeremiah and his crew to eventually go out and hang him. If the hyoid bone was intact then they definitely did a suspension hanging period. Lastly, as I said, 20 ft isn't that high - everyone is acting as though they'd have to look waaaaay up in the tree to see him. 20 feet is equivalent to two kayaks or two basketball hoops so he would have definitely been seen and smelled. With that said, the caller that said he was hanging somewhere else and then moved there absolutely makes sense due to the elongation of the body and loss of feet. Honestly the cops were just over it. One less criminal to worry about. It's terrible that some police stations are like that but there's always bad apples everywhere in everything. Look at Steven Avery's situation, my stars, if that doesn't convince people of police corruption nothing will!
I do have a difficult time believing this was self-inflicted. Hope the authorities start reinvestigating this case some time in the future. No real closure here yet in my opinion. 😔
This is crazy to me. Where’s his suicide note? Did he ever talk about being unhappy? And how the hell did he get up that high?! None of it makes sense!! He didn’t do this to himself. It’s so sad.
I have smelled a decomposing deer and it's a very strong pungent smell. It is really bad. There is no way he could have been in the tree the whole time and nobody smelled anything. There is not enough wind that blow away that smell.
Once a mouse died in my bathroom, in a crawl space type area under the whirlpool tub that was between my closet and my ex-h’s closet. The smell was insane when I walked into my closet and trying to figure out what it was and where it was coming from made me crazy! That was a small mouse in an enclosed, dark, and cool/temp controlled environment, and still the smell was intense. I can’t imagine anyone not noticing the smell of a decomposing body, outdoors, in the middle of a hot humid Summer.
@@shark_kisses5153 I know what a dead mouse smells like too. When I used to work in a day care we had a few dead mice. One was right by the entrance of the day care and I don't know if it was in the wall or ceiling but it was horrible. The smell was right by one of the tables we had kids sit and eat at. The kids had to smell dead mouse while they ate. The parents had to smell it when they dropped off and picked up their kids. We had one in our supply closet too. That closet was 6ft × 10ft and in the humidity the smell was so awful. We also put our personal belongings in there. I hated putting my personal belongings in there afraid they would stink at the end of the day when I went to get them to go home. If a dead mouse can smell so bad a human body I would think would be so much worse.
Thank you for looking into this case! I live really close to Trenton and this case affected lots of my friends. And it’s so sad and frustrating how his case was handled. 😞
My heart goes out to Tanner's family and friends. The way Tanner's body was found seems really sus, coupled with the fact that the police were so gung-ho about a particular scenairo until they weren't. I wonder if clothing can be tested to see if it has been exposed to extreme cold temperatures and then thawed out?
@@bostonb4kedbeans I swear I've seen another case where they could determine it, but I don't remember the names/the incident, so it's probably just wishful thinking. Either way, I hope Tanner's family gets answers.
No way no one would have smelled him. I think.He was wrapped up and frozen. Maybe his feet came off after they hung him up. I can't believe they did no forensics on the apartment. I bet they could have found some information there. Who is this Jeremiah dude?
There is a case covered in the Secrets True Crime podcast, of the disappearance of Jessica Hamby. It also investigates the strange death of her friend Jeremy - whose badly decomposed body was found hanging from a tree, and ruled a suicide in spite of so many strange circumstances. Jeremy's case has many things in common with Tanner's, including police indifference and clinging to the suicide theory despite obvious evidenceto the contrary. I bring this up because I believe Tanner was murdered, and it seems there is a tried and true method to stage a murder that police will not investigate further.
Tanner suddenly showing up in a tree, 20' up was a poorly staged attempt to appear like a suicide. Absolutely everything points to homicide. That M.E. is brain-dead...
My in-laws once accidentally left raw chicken in their garbage then left out of town. We stopped by about a week later and the smell of death was so bad. A body has a lot more mass. It seems impossible to me that no one would notice. The implications of the information and the lack of information creates a horrifying series of terrifying possibilities.
Usually the hyoid bone is only broken by manual strangulation when the murderers thumbs or fingers push on the front of the neck. Only about 1/3 of hangings result in the hyoid bone being broken.
@@KL-te1dq OK smart guy..how'd this kid get 20 foot up in a tree?? Where the ladder genius?? Also,what's the count now on all the folks that was standing under that very tree,and stated,emphatically,that Tanner was NOT hanging there..🤔 Or are we just going to discount all that..😉
@@katmack4215 Maybe he climbed up the tree? It's also possible people just didn't see the tree up close or saw another tree. All we really have as evidence for a murder is that someone he had past beef with wore a similar shirt to his and people didn't find his body until later.
I also remember this case and do not buy the self-inflicted theory. I remember seeing an interview with a guy who said he and a crew were working on the otherside of a fence near the tree and no one smelled anything odd. And trust me, if he was in that tree outside they would've smelled something. Sadly, I jave smelled decomp before. Long story short, it was in a natural death in a trailer in a trailer park in summer. The entire trailer park was permeated with the smell. Having experienced that, I just do not believe he was in that tree the whole time.
@@suzannah991 does seem odd noone saw or smelt anything, but I'm inclined to agree,x I can't seev how else he got up there, with nobody seeing anything, either?!
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I have a feeling it was harder to see him than some people make it out to be. 20 ft up in the air, the wind could easily blow the smell away.
It’s always upsetting to hear the authorities disregard of the families concerns and their pleas for help when looking for a missing person. Makes my stomach hurt.
It is crazy to see you talking about this case. Trenton is a neighboring town to me and I have not heard one thing that would make me think he unalived himself! Thank you for covering this!
I had heard about this story a few years ago…and it has never seemed to all quite add up. It just doesn’t seem like he would leave the house the way he did, and then end up the way he did. I really believe others were involved and I just don’t know how the “authorities” can see this any other way. My heart truly breaks for his family!
Tanner went missing on June 7th, it gets nothing but hotter, and more humid in Missouri as the summer progresses, then he wasn't found until December when the trees are leafless. The smell would have been horrendous, and as the gut bacteria went to work the body would have started to liquefy, Missouri has many caves, old deserted farmsteads, and old unused barns where a body could have been placed. If his body was frozen in December it could have potentially been placed in the tree, but why?
If he's been hanging for 6 month, wouldn't the skin around his neck crack during the time of the decomposition? May he rest in peace, and may his family get the answers needed to move on, especially his sweet daughter! 🕊️❤️🙏
Danielle this case is horrific!! Tanner seems to have been a loving young man!!! Thanks Danielle your great !! This case is one of the worst crimes I’ve ever heard!! Great job Danielle for this case,my heart go’s out to the family!!
I came back to finish the rest. I know a guy who hung himself in the spring/summer, he hung where he was for a while and no one saw him either. He wasn’t hidden, but he also wasn’t in plain sight either. It took a few days for him to be found
This one is very close to my home. I've been watching you forever and I think I've even commented about him before. I'm very happy to see this case getting covered after the big news as long written it off.
I feel really weird about this one. I lean towards suicide but mainly because I think hiding a body this way is SO bizarre. But then I wonder, how did he get up there? Was this tree super climbable? Just really strange either way.
Love your videos been a subscriber for many years . Still loving my t shirts I got a few years ago the grey with white milk carton and the black never stop searching . I saw something about a family in desperate need of seeking justice a mother and her daughter in desperate need of getting justice for her son that died and her daughter that was abused I thought of you right away getting their story out there and the coverage it desperately needs you are so good at what you do and so respectful I thought maybe you could cover their story so many more people will hear their story so they can hopefully get the justice so desperately needed it's for Grant Solomon. It's such a heartbreaking story this mother son and daughter endured it's the Grant Somon case out of Tennessee that happened back in 2020 thanks for the great work you do so respectful!
The bs attitude that some people have towards addicts, sex workers and/or people with criminal records drives me up a friggin wall. Now, I know that what I'm about to say might sound a little crazy but please hear me out before you pass judgment. I've heard plenty of people say that certain events that took place in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s couldn't possibly happen today. Sentiments like that make me want to laugh in their faces and say, "Where did you get a stupid idea like that from? It's already happening. It happens every day in the US." Why do I say that? Because few people see addicts, sex workers, criminals and/or gang members as people who are worthy of sympathy, respect, justice or even general acceptance I'm sure that toxic minded people would be more than willing to pop right up and say, "That's completely different. It's not the same thing at all." Yes, it is...as a matter of fact, it's exactly the same. In both cases, members of a minority group are seen as lesser creatures and, therefore, of less importance than the rest of society and easily cast aside like week old donuts. Just because the members of a particular minority group aren't being eliminated in a methodically organized and industrial manner doesn't change a thing. Sorry for going off on a rant like that...hypocrisy makes me so mad that I feel like my head is going to explode.
I completely agree with you, it's disgusting the way the police just don't care, a life is a life and these people still have families that need answers. Well said.
@@Lynx112 thank you. It's such a relief to know that I'm not the only one that feels this way. Thank God that I've finally learned to keep my more unconventional opinions and ideas to myself so I won't bother you with them. I'm very aware of the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not my opinion...lol
How in the world could anyone deem this self inflicted? How do you hang yourself, after cutting your feet off and then mummifying your hands? None of this makes sense.
Danelle I really appreciate the way that you go through these videos. I can like feel your aura through the phone I feel like. I like watching your videos!!
There are to many unanswered questions. The same thing happened with my cousin, there's no way. My heart goes out to his family. You do a really good job! I'm impressed. You get to the point, tell it like it is, no filler..I subbed 😊
I’m glad you brought up FOIA, because while you were describing the ways in which local law enforcement seems to be stonewalling this family in a willful attempt to withhold information….I wondered to myself if they had tried to get the files through a FIOA request. In every case similar to this one there will be certain details that police don’t want to share with the general public, especially the victim’s family members. There will be details that law enforcement believes will cause unnecessary trauma - details that might prompt vigilante justice seekers to take the law into their own hands - details about persons of interest that could result in physical danger toward innocent people before they can be officially cleared - details that only the killer would know, which police purposely withhold from the public to confirm knowledge of the crime & scene while questioning a suspect - and a whole bunch of other reasons….but that’s all stuff that can be redacted by law enforcement before releasing it. It doesn’t make any sense for them to refuse to provide a full police report for a case that’s closed after being officially “solved” to the victim’s direct family. Those files are public domain. There are even people/clubs/groups/organizations that review cold case files to seek resolution & those cases are still officially open cases, but they are given the files by police without problems. This family should submit a FOIA request - they deserve to see all of the evidence for themselves. And law enforcement should WANT them to see the case files if they’re telling the complete truth about the results of their investigation - the files would back them up, right? It feels like something very important is being hidden from them, but I can’t figure out what that might be
I agree. If the police feel like they did a thorough investigation amd truly stand behind it, they should hand that over, no problem. The family should definitely file for that and get third party to go over it as well. I pray they find the truth and get the answers they deserve. My deepest condolences. 💔
Most times that law enforcement doesn't want to release files, is because it makes them look bad. Or to protect an informant. IMO , Old Jeremiah is an informant. When the "hostage scenario" takes place it's usually because they owe money to the dope dealer, or they ARE the dope dealer.
I would be wary of meeting random people from the internet in person at this crime con and similar events...especially if i'm a well known youtuber who might cover controversial cases or sensitive topics. Please be careful! When youtubers mention they will be at these meet and greet type situations, it always makes me nervous.
Gravity is also why he could not have hung there for 6 months. He was very clearly held elsewhere prior to his placement in the tree. A stormy, very warm season? The rope itself would have rotted, the skin would slough off, it's just not possible.
I live very close to where this happened and worked with Megan for years, the Trenton police just didn’t want to bother with this case, so suspicious. Jeramiah also moved out of the state after this happened.
Very confused, supposedly no one in his family knew Jeremiah even though he was one of the hostages? I guess that could be the case, but then how did the sister immediately recognize and spot him in public? There’s something more there I think
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Most people have their own "keeps me up at night" case that they dwell on. Most are Jon Benet or Maddie Mccann. Tanner ward has been the one that keeps me up at night for years now. Ive been wanting someone to cover this since i first heard of it. So glad Danelle did it. Tysm!
Isn't that the TRUTH! Both of those sweet angels and Summer Wells, Dylan Rounds, the West boys and so many others! I try to remind myself of the fact that we have DNA and all of those awesome advances and data bases. We have come a LONG way indeed, otherwise there would be so many more cases like these haunting us.
Uh oh… I think that this one has also made my list…
Like if it was a natural suicide where tf are his feet??? If a squirrel or bird or something took it after it fell off (again.. even that sounds weird because it would have smelled and had the decomposition falling from the tree… sorry but I’m being realistic. And he would have like … eh nvm) but someone would have likely seen a squirrel or bird eating a human foot unless it was perfectly dragged out of sight. But if that’s the case… where is the decomposition material that should be in the soil? Did they test the soil? I AM SPIRALING.
Like are the police really okay with the possibility of a crazy person potentially having the ability to do this to another person?
I would really like to read that autopsy… okay I’m done lol.
Also keep in mind that had his body been there from the beginning, there would’ve been bird activity, such as vultures circling the area of his body which would’ve been noticed by people who frequent the area. I don’t buy that nobody would’ve at least noticed the smell.
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they would have noticed the smell, but nobody would have looked up. Nobody would expect a body to be in a tree. They probably just thought it was a deer or something if they walked past him
I see vultures all the time, circling and I instantly think about it, but I watch true crime AND pay attention to animals anyway. It's crazy to me that every time I mention circling vultures whoever I'm with says they never even noticed.
@@EveRaena I can tell you from firsthand experience that a decaying human body has a very distinct smell and doesn’t smell like any other animal other than being similar to pigs. That’s another thing. Had they used cadavers dogs in the area, the dogs would’ve picked up on the smell almost instantly if he had been hanging in the tree.
@@KKonRUclips same here lol.
Would his body not have fallen out of the tree with time ? I thought decomposition would have caused his body to fall -as in the head and body separating from each other as the body decomposes, causing the body to fall to the ground from the rope. It just makes me wonder.
Good point !
Also here in Missouri it hits 90 pretty early in the year. Decomposition happens fast, so I agree with you.
My best friend hung himself 35 ft up in a tree and was there for three and a half days before somebody found him....
@@breezzeybriicalloway8555I'm so sorry for your loss.
@@lucbelcher7256 it had already hit the upper 80's if not 90's I remember that being one of their reasons for telling us not up look for him besides messing up possible evidence if foul play was involved.
I live in Missouri, only some minutes away from Trenton and my cousin is the one who actually told me about this case while it was going on. I can absolutely attest to the fact that this state doesn't have dry heat. At all. Ever. Summers are always incredibly hot and humid and storms are very common. Everyone who lives in and around Trenton knows he didn't commit suicide. But, when you have the authorities saying he did most people who aren't from around here tend to believe it. Everyone around here knows he was murdered and everyone knows who did it.
Who?
I’d say it’s scary walking around Trenton knowing the man or woman who murdered this man is still walking the streets somewhere 🫥
And..is it Jerry?
I live in Kirksville & heard about this case about a year or so after it happened. If the townspeople know who did it, why are they so afraid to speak? Another instance where everyone is afraid of the town bully?
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Maybe because they don't want to be killed?
Tanner is from my hometown and this case personally means a lot to me and I am so happy it’s finally getting the coverage it deserves. Thank you so so SO much ❤️
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I am from not too far from there and this case has always bothered me
A good friend of mine - the type of friend who was always smiling and joking, and would do whatever to put a smile on your face, the type of friend who was always there and would never fail to reach out just to see how you’re doing - walked out of the house one day in a seemingly happy and content mood, and hung himself in a small wooded area on the side of the highway. A homeless man was the unfortunate soul who eventually found him…
Sometimes we just don’t really know what someone is going through internally. They become so good at hiding it because they don’t want you to hurt or feel the way they do. It unfortunately happens far too often. However, I’m not so sure that’s what happened here. This is a tough one. I start to lean in one direction, but then I think of all the other circumstances that just don’t fit or make sense. Either way, whatever the truth may be, I hope his family finally gets the answers and peace of mind that they deserve.
The people with the brightest smile are usually the ones who are suffering the most and 95% of the time nobody even see's it or the signs until its to late.
Right. For most of the people who left us, there were no signs. And the people who have already said 100 times that they are doing something to themselves are still alive. Most of the time it just looks different inside people. However, in this case it really doesn't look like suicide.
I lost 5 people to suicide. They don't say anything because they don't want help. They don't want to live. They don't want to be stopped. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
I'm so sorry for the lose of your friend. As long as he's remembered, he's not really gone.
Sounds just like my little brother.. hung himself in a tree in our backyard one day.
Danielle: WHY is nobody talking about Tanner's FEET?!? His attackers/killers are FREE! The police are LAZY. Did he walk to the tree on stumps?!? I wish you had gotten into this subject-it was ignored by EVERYONE!
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Feet fall off with the decay
She did talk about it. She said it's not unlikely that due to gravity, blood pooling, etc that his feet could've decayed. And then scavengers as well. I think it's really hard to have an opinion on things like his feet when the information available is so vague. (For example his feet were missing as in there were clean cuts, or his feet were missing as in decay/scavenger activity. You'd assume the police would've handled it differently if there were clean cuts, but we've all heard plenty of cases where something obvious like that was ignored, so who knows.
My step dad and step sister grew up in Trenton they are 100 percent not for anyone. My stepdad died in police custody and they tried to cover it up. Fortunately my sister was able to get a lawyer and sue them and she won over $1 million dollars. They absolutely do not give a shit about anyone in the area because they are addicts.
Pretty sure between Jeremiah and law enforcement they are keeping a secret
I feel so much for his family and friends. I've unfortunately witnessed how police can just brush off the death of an addict and not truly investigate. I had a good friend who unfortunately got herself into a bad cycle with drugs. She would be clean for a year and then fall back in with her old crowd and relapse. During one of those relapses, she was found outside a trailer with red markings on her neck. Police said she died of exposure and closed the case. Thats still how it remains today a few years later despite everyone thinking her friends that were in the trailer know more than what they are saying. She was so much more than just a drug addict, but that's all the police will see.
My husband’s cousin was brutally attacked and left for dead a few years ago. He’s barely alive, will never walk again, has had multiple strokes, can’t live without medical assistance. He had a couple of minor drug convictions and the cops decided on scene that he was jumped for drugs and they weren’t going to investigate. He had a joint left in his pocket but his shoes, wallet, shirt and hat were missing. He was also beaten elsewhere and dropped where he was found. The cops don’t seem to think a crime was committed because he has a past with drugs. It’s absolutely infuriating. We lost all evidence years ago, no one swabbed him for any DNA even though he had multiple massive defensive wounds. Whatever was used to crush his skull left behind evidence which was just tossed. They do not care.
I’m so sorry for the loss of your friend. I am a recovering addict and know all too well the stigma that comes with being on drugs. 💔
it’s so awful. they refused to look for my big brother because of his addiction. the cops acted like nothing could’ve happened to him since he had a warrant. despite me telling them he had a baby now and would never disappear on him. i literally begged them to file a missing persons report and to please just look for him as it had been 3 weeks. he was found by tenants in a room in the basement laundry room of his apartment complex. he had been there for a fucking month. he was a person. a human being. addiction does not take away someone’s worth. it’s disgusting and needs to be changed.
@@junebugx1312 It makes me nervous honestly. I’ve been sober nearly 15 years but is that enough that if I were to disappear it would be taken seriously? I’m married with two kids but it kinda sticks in my head.
@@maggiekarabel123I met a woman in NA whose sister went missing with almost 10 years clean. The police assumed she relapsed and refused to put any effort into finding her. I know the family hired a PI but other than that I don’t know if they ever found any answers. Of course it’s possible that’s what happened, but with that much clean time it’s just as likely that something else happened to her. One thing I’ve learned being in and out of recovery, having had over 6 years at one point, is that doctors and police especially will never see you as anything other than an addict. Especially if you have a record. I and others I know have some horror stories.
The cops should be looking for a pulley at the apartment and rural homestead and check if there’s matching rope fiber on it if one is found. It doesn’t add up to suicide.
This occurred in my neck of the woods. My ex knew Tanner. When he went missing, she was incredibly scared for her own safety and went into hiding. Yes, she was into drugs. She was relieved when he was found, but always talked about the people who "did that" to him. I didn't get any names from her (due to the paranoia she had surrounding what she claimed to know) 😔
But did you really have to use the euphemism “in my neck of the woods” 🤦♀️?
@@Liamluv707 Oops 😬
probably, she knew enough. The things drugs addicts know is scary. It such a dark, sordid, lonely world.
@@pattywatson2350 You're absolutely correct.
I hope they figure out what happened and that your ex gets the help she needs😔
I will say just knowing Jeremiah was one of the people held captive changes absolutely everything and makes me think it’s very improbable that this was self inflicted
That is the one thing that sticks out in my mind more than anything else....
Why was he at Jerimiah's...given their history ?
Even if his death was actually suicide/self-inflicted, he could've still been forced to do it. It's a cop-out idea to assume it's not just because. You could hold a gun on someone and force them to shoot themselves, threaten their family. Maybe he had secrets, maybe it was revenge and they said if he doesn't do what they want they're gonna get his fiance or kid, etc
If so, then how on earth are his legs missing and why were his hands mummified? Why didn't anyone see his body hanging from a tree so many days ago? This doesn't add up. The most likely scenario is that his body wasn't there and someone put it afterwards. If he was going to kill himself, at least one person in his family or friends would have noticed something in his behavior, maybe not realizing it at the time, but after learning what happened they probably would. It makes no sense, this looks like a crime scene setup to throw the investigation off track. I have no idea, but that's how it looks to me
@@VIRUS_DO_NOT_OPEN bro you're on the wrong channel. That's not karma. Karma would be if he got Robbed. Robbing some1 doesnt equal death. That's INSANE.
I don't buy that AT ALL. No1 is making me hang myself. You gonna have 2 shoot me. They pointing a gun so he climbs a tree and does that? Nooo way. Either he was murdered or willingly killed himself. That theory is Assanine. Its not a movie. No1 would do that.
@@VIRUS_DO_NOT_OPEN you're on a channel where the family will come and look at comments. This is not okay or nice at all. As another commenter stated, karma is having the same thing done back to him. Not be murdered
@@ΓιώργοςΚαπάτος Hmmmm, my friend, tell me this. What's more plausible between these two scenarios? scenario A, The guy hung himself from a tree or scenario B, His friend of whom he trusted enough to visit his house and hangout, forced him to climb up a tree and hang himself. You can't be fucking serious.
In my opinion, when it is hot and humid out, all sorts of things would happen to a decomposing body. Without going into too much detail, animals and insects would definitely have been involved and the body would not be able to stay intact, hanging from the neck. The human body has gases that start to break down after just a few minutes. He could not have been there for 6 months in a hot & humid environment. I do not believe that at all. Someone had to have put his body there recently, prior to him being discovered. I am praying for this family. 🙏 sending nothimg but love and good vibes. Thank you for covering this case. This is the first time I have heard of it. May this young man rest in peace. ❤
In my opinion he wasn't I live in Trenton. The Carnation food processing plant (Trenton Foods) is just about a block in front of those woods my uncle lived next to those woods and had his windows and doors open to save $$ on air conditioning. He would have smelled so!e thing my other uncle drives a grain truck the bins are right across the street fro!m those woods again the smell.there are at least 2 churches in that area, kids rough house on the way to and from school it's a short cut because it's close to houses lots of them. Honestly I don't believe the police had anything to do with whatever happened, but I do believe they weren't too concerned when he went missing. A year ago he had been a pain in their butt from what this says, they probably figured he just went on a drug run that turned to a binder. They eventually looked into it if they went to that farm. The police chief did ask the community not to go out looking for him because we could mess up evidence if there was any or get hurt snakes love woods. I know my mother tried to go looking but at the time she was very sick and blessing internally so was only able to look inside one vacant house but only threw the windows. If you believe he hung himself there, ask yourseld, " Do you really believe with the population of busy body's what it is here that nobody would call the FDA. If they smelled something like that?" The WI d can't blow something like that away 24/7 for six months.
@@ambercarpenter6579 spot on!!! Totally agree.
My brother was murdered March 2022 and I have been in this families shoes when it comes the stories of what happened to him by messages on fb ! It's effing disgusting and heart breaking to hear was viciously happened to your loved one and someone so effing close to you! This story hit home so hard xo I hope they get their answers ! Mt brother struggled addiction so his murderers are still walking because Noone cares enough 😢
I'm so sorry. Every murder victim deserves a proper investigation no matter their history ❤
I really hope you get the answers you deserve. 😢
I pray for justice for both your brother and Tanner family also 🙏 😢
I'm so sorry to hear this! 💔 Have you thought about having someone cover this (from the RUclips true crime family)?
I'm so sorry u are going through this! I went through the same with my brother! For what it's worth I CARE❤ prayers for your healing and your families just❤
This confuses me… If Jeremiah was one of the people that Tanner and his brother held hostage, then how did Tanner’s mother not know the name Jeremiah? And we’re told nobody in Tanner’s family knew a Jeremiah, but yet Tanner’s sister spotted Jeremiah sitting in a truck. What am I missing here?
Agreed!
8:50 Kelsey found out from someone where Jeremiah lived, went to his house, found the hat. They talked to him then. They later recognized him from when they talked previously after Tanner went missing. With a first name only, you wouldn't assume it was someone from years ago that he wronged.
I'm guessing after they learned Jeremiah was the last person Tanner was seen with, they did their research and found out what he looked like? 🤷♂️ She recognized him in the truck, weeks after she learned who he was and what he looked like.
Me too. Sometimes it goes too fast and I got lost too. But it sounds like the way it usually goes with a missing teen. Sadly. And another little innocent has lost her Daddy.💔🤦🏼♀️
Yes yes I too am confused
The idea that all these people had been in that area but no one noticed Tanner? Ridiculous. I don't know about you, but i always try to take in the whole picture in front of me. When i lived in NYC, yes I could see you keep your head down and stay with the pedestrian flow. I don't think this was that type of environment. Not to mention the mummification and loss of feet? Did the police and medical examiner think no one would question their conclusion? Unbelievable. How frustrating and horrifying for Tanner and his family 😢
The evidence and situations in this case are just *so weird*. If he was there earlier the people in the area would've smelled that, no way, especially with decay and things dropping down to the leaf litter it couldn't have all been funneled up and away. But if he was moved there, how was he elongated from long term hanging? Was he just hanging somewhere else? And if he was, how'd they get up in the tree without those sawing marks from the rope? And seeing his previous victim right before this. God, I'm so sorry for his family, especially the daughter who'll grow up without him.
You bring up some excellent points.
Yay! I requested this video. I live near Trenton and this is a case is so awful. There is NO way foul play wasn’t involved.
I'm in Saint Joseph. I'm glad you requested this case because I think about it so often!
Appears like a poor staging. Corpse suddenly (after 6 months) shows up 20' up a tree, in a heavily trafficked area? The ball cap in the apartment? No feet! What?!!
We had a similar case in Germany. A young men climbed into a tree and died there. He was found there weeks after his death, mummified. There was never the question about homicide, but they still speculate why and whether he committed suicide. Nobody ever missed him.
Aw That’s so sad.
Saddest part about that was the reason he took to climbing trees to sleep, he had sustained serious injuries after trying to defend his mother from his father in a vicious knife attack when he was 14, his mum sadly died from her injuries, his father got 12 years in prison, and he got sent to a youth home, he never recived adequate councilling and it obviously affected him very badly as he was unable to readjust. He got arrested a couple of times (I'm told for stealing food/freaking out in public? I can't find sources) but was released on condition he got psychiatric help, but considering how he had been treated so far I can see why he never wanted to go to it.
@@stykytte Yes, his life has been tragic. I think he just gave up at some point
@@stykytte I'm German (living in the US) but have never heard of this.
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@@Galaxie08 I'm American living in America and this is the first time I'm reading about Tanner Ward's case. Tragedies occur everywhere and OFTEN. It's impossible for us to keep up with them all and THAT is probably for the best. It's very depressing.
this case has always baffled me, it's insane. my heart goes out to his loved ones. also danielle you're glowing, hope everything is well
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the circumstances are way too sus- i hope he gets justice and his family gets answers
I heard about this case awhile ago and it has always stuck with me. This boy did not do this to himself someone needs to be held accountable!
This is just a speculation, but it's possible that he mentioned a random name that wasn't real to his mom because he was going to meet some person he didn't want his family to know about. He was young with a new family of his own, maybe at some point he felt that he needed money in order to meet the needs, he may think that he had no other choices in a small place like that, but to go to his past. And, unfortunately, that's exactly what happens sometimes in these situations. Such a small place where everyone knows everyone, it is possible for someone to know something and not talk.
Me too! I dont think it's out of the realm of possibility that he was hoisted up there. Wouldn't the tree rejuvenate somewhat over that period of time? Done stealthily in the night I don't think it an impossible endeavor for 1-2 people to do this.
I'd like to see an experiment done, hoist a pig carcass up in that tree, see how hard or possible it is, the smell etc.
@@ΓιώργοςΚαπάτος You are right unfortunately, especially for young Fathers, they can often feel overwhelmed, guilty or not worthy. I've been with the Father of my Children for 29 years, we were young parents and it's definitely something he struggled with through his 20's. Women tend to just get on with the job at hand.
@@ΓιώργοςΚαπάτος but that doesn’t explain Jeremiah wearing his shirt, and the state of his apartment. And Kelsey finding his hat there..
I know what it's like to lose someone close to you due to suicide, you do go into complete denial "they were
happy" yes as far as YOU know, you are not living in their head! I do think there are some sketchy things in this case but I think they're all able to be explained away. When you were discussing how he was found in the tree I started looking up high into the trees on the path I take to & from the school run & work every day & saw stuff I have never noticed before (kites, balls, huge nests ect.) When I hear these families say "they would never do that" my heart just breaks for them because I have been there & it is such a painful thing to get over & you DO look for someone, something ANYTHING to blame but sometimes there just isn't blame to be found. I wish his loved ones the best ☹️ x
agree
Also- thank you for putting all the places links to where you got your information. I wish more people would do that.
This case is exttemely frustrating, indeed. What about the missing feet?? Birds? Were bone fragments found at the base of the tree where his pants supposedly rested as well? Shoes? No shoes? Were the feet cleanly cut off? Where were they, or at least some remnants of them? My head is spinning. This poor family is living a nightmare. Sending prayers to all of Tanner's loved ones.
I can’t even begin to imagine, nor do I want to as a mother of 4, the complexity & range of emotions experienced by everyone who loved Tanner! As parents (decent ones anyway) you always want to do what’s right by your kids. You want a better future for them than you had. Plus, how the hell do you ever look at a damn tree again? No parent should EVER have to bury their child.
Birds or ankles gave way during decomp, they are thin and less meaty and if a bird pecks at the tendons - those feet are going.
@@Saitaina Despite the gory details, bone fragments would remain tp prove the bird theory.
That's how my brain works as well. 1000 questions pop up with cases like this.
So elegantly spoken, Danelle, as always.❤😢❤ I love your videos and content!🎉❤😢❤❤
I’m gonna be at Crime-con for the first time this year, and I’m super excited to be able to meet you! 🎉
This is a heartbreaking case. This young man had a beautiful family and all his life ahead of him :(
Why the police didn't do anything to find Tanner? Why they didn't care about that Jeremiah and what Tanner's sister saw at his house? It made me think that thay knew what happened and they are protecting the person/persons that hurt Tanner.
My deepest condolences to the family :(
Sometimes it's just a suicide. :(
Being from Missouri, this case doesn't sit right with me..
Tanner was found in 2018, hanging, ruled suicide. Trenton, MO
One of my close friends Mariah Davis was found in 2018, hanging, ruled a suicide. Mexico, MO, there was absolutely no explanation.. they removed her body and did absolutely nothing. 😢😢
really glad you are covering this case!
Perfect timing, Danelle! Just got my son's bedtime routine down, now I'm relaxing before bed ❤
Thank you so much for covering Tanner's case!!
I think it’s interesting that he told his “mom” he was going to Jeremiah’s and she didn’t know him. Like he made sure to tell her the correct person in case something went off she would know where he was. Just a thought. Thank you for all the content. You relay these stories with so much empathy and respect. ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜💗 OneLoveMomma!😊😊
This is a great point
Ty.
I wondered how they didn't know the name since Jeremiah was one of the hostages.
@@melsafken764 They probably would not think o he's going to see one of the hostages, they more than likely thought this was a completely different person that that had not met better.
*had not met before.
My mom is a search and rescue K9 handler. The amount of times her team is either called late to a scene with an old and obscured scent trail or sometimes not even called at all. It's so sad. Resources the police have at hand are so often not used.
i’m literally in shock because when i saw his picture i was like oh, he looks familiar, then i heard trenton missouri…lives less than an hour away from me. how the hell did i not know more about his case?
You probably didn't know him personally ju!ss saw and heard about him. People get very involved in their own lives, and you probably mind your own business like I do. I'm also about ten years older than he was, so I even live in Trenton and didn't know him. It happens. You weren't oblivious to it you just didn't know him.
The whole "no sawing on the bark" thing doesn't make sense. He doesn't have to have been hoisted from ground level. If a group of people came out in the night with a ladder, they wouldn't have to hoist his body by dragging the rope over the branch, they could just tie it from the top of the ladder. It could also explain why the hanging doesn't seem like a drop hanging - he wouldn't be able to ease himself off a 20ft branch, but other people could ease him down with very little difficulty, creating the conditions of a suspension hanging.
His feet being missing feels a lot like a revenge/torture aspect, and the smashed up apartment with his favourite hat sitting in the middle of it says a hell of a lot as well. Nothing about this looks like a suicide.
Especially since there is a construction site next door they wouldnt wven have to bring their own ladders if one of the perpetrators was an employee or just break in.
Hi Danelle! Did you see that Justin Siwek’s body was found? I was so glad that you covered his story!
So happy he was found. Praying the family gets answers and justice 😢🙏
If they are going to test the shirt and have “enough” for a judge to give them a warrant to literally dig on his property…. WHY DIDNT THEY SEARCH THE APARTMENT??? Where the hat was found??? If they were sure that was his hat then??? Why would they not at least do a luminol test in the apartment to see if anything happened due to the scene? So weird… maybe it wasn’t his apartment? Weird
Seems like to me they just got permission to search the property and found nothing. No need to get a warrant if you ask and someone says yes.
Danelle you're like a ray of sunshine ❤ Im so glad to see you getting the recognition you deserve!! I love watching you and John but I've gotten roku so i can watch you do your stuff on Mysteria 🥰🥰This case will prob never be truly solved but prayers for that family 🙏
Wow Danelle, I haven't heard this case before and I thought I had heard pretty much all of them. This was incredibly interesting. Thank you for covering a great case.
I feel like even if its obvious, every other avenue and possibility should be fully investigated before a self-inflicted determination is allowed to be made.
the first time i smelled a dead body i immediately got chills & started shaking. the smell was so bad i started crying. and i think about it everyday. there’s no way they didn’t smell that.
That's how we're all going to end up one of these days. Embalming doesn't last long at all. We turn into a stinky, smelly, thick soup inside of a small box. The smell lasts for decades under the ground. Not for me. Cremation is the way to go. Over and done with in a few hours.
The smell is unforgettable. Pungent and sweet in a horrific way. I used to work in body removal and the smell would linger in clothing for days, even after washing. No way no one could smell him if he'd been there for a long time. Plus the scavengers would be noticeable. Nature doesn't waste a thing.
Such a beautiful young man, so very sad and absolutely devastating for his family…I hope that whatever happened you rest in peace sweetheart ❤
This case is so crazy. Definitely believe it was a murder though not him killing himself. The poor family 😢
It would be a weird way for someone to do that to themselves. People don't generally climb way up into a tree like that, to do it.
@@NikkiC777 they do. There's been a couple of people that have done it in the uk. He probably didn't want to be found and thought being high enough would do it
@@cammey3 That seems worse really. Instead of knowing what happened to them, and that they did it to themselves, their family would always have questions about where they went, or what happened, if they were never found. Then when they were found everyone would wonder if they were murdered, or if they did it to themselves. Doing something like that and not making it a clear case of $uicide seems like they'd realize they're just leaving everyone with a bunch of unanswered questions. Of course it's better to not do that at all, and just seek help in that case.
@@NikkiC777I don't know about this, but does it make more sense that someone climbed such a tall tree while carrying a corpse?!
@@alinam5092 Right yeah that would be a bit difficult too, carrying a full grown man's corpse up a tree would be very difficult to do. Ha now that you mention it it seems like an insane way to try and hide a body. Who knows though🤷♀️. I believe a lot of his friends and family think it was a homicide too though, so I don't want to discount the idea entirely, but it does make you wonder why wouldn't the murderer just go bury the body or dump it in the woods someplace. Could be the friends and family just don't want to believe it. It does not make sense to try and hide a body like that in a tree . If they were trying to make it look like a $uicide then they could have done it closer to the ground.
I would love to attend Crimecon one day.
Missed Danelle! I don’t have much extra time these days but now I remember why I loved her so much
My heart did a little cheer when I saw you had uploaded!
OMG and now I see it is about Tanner! I grew up in the area and went to college in Trenton. This was NOT suicide!!!
It makes no sense that they wouldn't have seen him, and if they didn't see HIM how could everyone have missed the clothes/shoes on the GROUND below him?!
My heart goes out to Tanner's loved ones. I think he was murdered. People can get to strange places that seem impossible to reach without help and there are often no warning signs before suicide. But the combo of the location of Tanner's body, all the statements about his demeanour and plans, and Jeremiah's involvement all leave me believing Tanner was murdered. I hope his case is properly investigated and the perpetrator(s) are brought to justice. RIP Tanner
Would you consider doing a spot on Kyron Horman? Been 13 years and really needs a boost! They know who killed him but no charges yet. Thank you either way, Danelle
Thank you Lois. I'm in Portland and Kyron is truly not forgotten! It would be great if someone could shine another light on the case. We want answers...😐
@@miapdx503 you have a like for every day hes been missing!
Crime Weekly just did a huge series on him! Multi part series!!!
Who killed him? I can’t find any info
Oh I’ve heard this story before! It’s so bizarre and remind me of the Ellen Greenburg case. 😢😢. Love you Danelle, thank you for the hard work you put in to these and for advocating for those whose voice has been silenced. ❤
Hi, just out of curiosity, What about Tanners case reminds you of Ellen Greenburgs case?
Right! I thought the same, both cases are pushed to seem like suicides when they both CLEARLY aren’t.
Ellen Greenberg’s death is one of the most ridiculous miscarriages of justice I’ve ever come across and they STILL have so much more information than Tanner’s family! They know what her injuries were, when she died, what happened beforehand, likely who killed her, and the fact that it’s physically impossible for her to have been the one to harm herself. It feels like they know nothing in Tanner’s case and as someone who had struggles with drugs and turned her life around thanks to a pregnancy, this is very very disturbing. Both of these cases have stuck in my mind heavily.
Also the case of Rebecca zahou
Well something obviously happened at Jerramiahs house if his cap was found on the floor and it was in that state. The hole in the wall could be from him kicking as he was dragged out the backdoor? Why hadn't Jerramiah returned to his apartment in that couple of days it seems like he was possiby somewhere else so the theory that Tanner was held somewhere holds up to me and people would have noticed him hanging in the tree if two schoolkids looked up because they heard the branch creaking, other people would have heard it too and smelled decomp, the 'high flying wind' theory is ridiculous.. I think it hasn't been looked into properly because of his past. The investigation should be oened back up or the files given to the family.
His hat being at Jeremiah's is proof he was there that day and it makes perfect sense that a drug-dealing hoodlum would want revenge, and would do the same thing, since they can't exactly go to the cops. As far as why Tanner randomly went over there, he could've needed money and thought J was an easy target but the tables turned when he realized more people were there, showed up or J pulled a gun first, etc. Tanner didn't plan on being gone long so that smacks of a 'quick robbery' to me. The newness and excitement of turning ones life around eventually becomes mundane, he very well could've had that itch for some quick cash, especially with the pressures of a new family. When I read mummified hands I instantly thought 'freezer'. During decomp, skin sluffs off so signs of torture would definitely be gone. 20ft isn't that high, it would be easy for Jeremiah and his crew to eventually go out and hang him. If the hyoid bone was intact then they definitely did a suspension hanging period. Lastly, as I said, 20 ft isn't that high - everyone is acting as though they'd have to look waaaaay up in the tree to see him. 20 feet is equivalent to two kayaks or two basketball hoops so he would have definitely been seen and smelled. With that said, the caller that said he was hanging somewhere else and then moved there absolutely makes sense due to the elongation of the body and loss of feet. Honestly the cops were just over it. One less criminal to worry about. It's terrible that some police stations are like that but there's always bad apples everywhere in everything. Look at Steven Avery's situation, my stars, if that doesn't convince people of police corruption nothing will!
Bro 😳
I do have a difficult time believing this was self-inflicted. Hope the authorities start reinvestigating this case some time in the future. No real closure here yet in my opinion. 😔
This is crazy to me. Where’s his suicide note? Did he ever talk about being unhappy?
And how the hell did he get up that high?! None of it makes sense!! He didn’t do this to himself. It’s so sad.
I have smelled a decomposing deer and it's a very strong pungent smell. It is really bad. There is no way he could have been in the tree the whole time and nobody smelled anything. There is not enough wind that blow away that smell.
Once a mouse died in my bathroom, in a crawl space type area under the whirlpool tub that was between my closet and my ex-h’s closet. The smell was insane when I walked into my closet and trying to figure out what it was and where it was coming from made me crazy!
That was a small mouse in an enclosed, dark, and cool/temp controlled environment, and still the smell was intense.
I can’t imagine anyone not noticing the smell of a decomposing body, outdoors, in the middle of a hot humid Summer.
@@shark_kisses5153 I know what a dead mouse smells like too. When I used to work in a day care we had a few dead mice. One was right by the entrance of the day care and I don't know if it was in the wall or ceiling but it was horrible. The smell was right by one of the tables we had kids sit and eat at. The kids had to smell dead mouse while they ate. The parents had to smell it when they dropped off and picked up their kids.
We had one in our supply closet too. That closet was 6ft × 10ft and in the humidity the smell was so awful. We also put our personal belongings in there. I hated putting my personal belongings in there afraid they would stink at the end of the day when I went to get them to go home.
If a dead mouse can smell so bad a human body I would think would be so much worse.
Omg this case is unbelievable. I don't understand how no one saw his body if it had actually been hanging there the entire time.
Thank you for looking into this case! I live really close to Trenton and this case affected lots of my friends. And it’s so sad and frustrating how his case was handled. 😞
This case is just heartbreaking. I pray for truth and answers and justice. 💕🙏🏻
You are so good at what you do Danielle, thank you!!
This is a case that hurts my heart deeply. He didn't kill himself no way would he ever have done this . Thinking of you tanner and your family .
What hurts my heart is the no feet thing. Creep factor 10 out of 10!
My heart goes out to Tanner's family and friends. The way Tanner's body was found seems really sus, coupled with the fact that the police were so gung-ho about a particular scenairo until they weren't. I wonder if clothing can be tested to see if it has been exposed to extreme cold temperatures and then thawed out?
It can't be :/ no tests like that exist
@@bostonb4kedbeans I swear I've seen another case where they could determine it, but I don't remember the names/the incident, so it's probably just wishful thinking. Either way, I hope Tanner's family gets answers.
No way no one would have smelled him. I think.He was wrapped up and frozen. Maybe his feet came off after they hung him up. I can't believe they did no forensics on the apartment. I bet they could have found some information there. Who is this Jeremiah dude?
@@ronhall5395
I agree Ron.
Can’t wait to watch this ! I remember this story from a few years ago. It was messed up, and definitely some shady stuff.
Thank you for introducing us to another puzzling & thought provoking case.
There is a case covered in the Secrets True Crime podcast, of the disappearance of Jessica Hamby. It also investigates the strange death of her friend Jeremy - whose badly decomposed body was found hanging from a tree, and ruled a suicide in spite of so many strange circumstances. Jeremy's case has many things in common with Tanner's, including police indifference and clinging to the suicide theory despite obvious evidenceto the contrary. I bring this up because I believe Tanner was murdered, and it seems there is a tried and true method to stage a murder that police will not investigate further.
Tanner suddenly showing up in a tree, 20' up was a poorly staged attempt to appear like a suicide.
Absolutely everything points to homicide. That M.E. is brain-dead...
My in-laws once accidentally left raw chicken in their garbage then left out of town. We stopped by about a week later and the smell of death was so bad. A body has a lot more mass. It seems impossible to me that no one would notice. The implications of the information and the lack of information creates a horrifying series of terrifying possibilities.
If Tanner's shoes were on the ground the entire time, then where are the foot bones? Something's not right here.
Usually the hyoid bone is only broken by manual strangulation when the murderers thumbs or fingers push on the front of the neck. Only about 1/3 of hangings result in the hyoid bone being broken.
This is such a strange case..I watched this story years ago..his death is definitely suspicious.
I remember Tanner's case..😕
I don't believe,for a second,he did this to himself. This is,clearly,a Murder!!
And you have all the hard evidence, facts and know every circumstance and also a professional investigator??
@@KL-te1dq OK smart guy..how'd this kid get 20 foot up in a tree?? Where the ladder genius??
Also,what's the count now on all the folks that was standing under that very tree,and stated,emphatically,that Tanner was NOT hanging there..🤔
Or are we just going to discount all that..😉
@@katmack4215 and people that know him would be very much in denial, they never not saw him up there, they want to believe he wasn't there but he was
@@katmack4215 Maybe he climbed up the tree? It's also possible people just didn't see the tree up close or saw another tree. All we really have as evidence for a murder is that someone he had past beef with wore a similar shirt to his and people didn't find his body until later.
@@katmack4215 most people would suggest he climbed the tree, rather than brought along a handy ladder!
I also remember this case and do not buy the self-inflicted theory. I remember seeing an interview with a guy who said he and a crew were working on the otherside of a fence near the tree and no one smelled anything odd. And trust me, if he was in that tree outside they would've smelled something. Sadly, I jave smelled decomp before. Long story short, it was in a natural death in a trailer in a trailer park in summer. The entire trailer park was permeated with the smell. Having experienced that, I just do not believe he was in that tree the whole time.
Unfortunately I have been near a few bodies in similar circumstances and people did not smell anything.
Pretty sure someone who un-alives themselves, they don't surgically remove their feet first
@@shaylatorch it's pretty clear animals got to his body parts. Sad to say, but this is an obvious suicide.
@@suzannah991 does seem odd noone saw or smelt anything, but I'm inclined to agree,x I can't seev how else he got up there, with nobody seeing anything, either?!
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I have a feeling it was harder to see him than some people make it out to be. 20 ft up in the air, the wind could easily blow the smell away.
This is so sad! I feel so bad for Tanner and his family, this is just awful. May he RIP
It’s always upsetting to hear the authorities disregard of the families concerns and their pleas for help when looking for a missing person. Makes my stomach hurt.
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It is crazy to see you talking about this case. Trenton is a neighboring town to me and I have not heard one thing that would make me think he unalived himself! Thank you for covering this!
If anyone watching this is involved or knows something come forward it’s not worth a life of guilt find God and give this family closure amen
I had heard about this story a few years ago…and it has never seemed to all quite add up. It just doesn’t seem like he would leave the house the way he did, and then end up the way he did. I really believe others were involved and I just don’t know how the “authorities” can see this any other way. My heart truly breaks for his family!
Tanner went missing on June 7th, it gets nothing but hotter, and more humid in Missouri as the summer progresses, then he wasn't found until December when the trees are leafless. The smell would have been horrendous, and as the gut bacteria went to work the body would have started to liquefy, Missouri has many caves, old deserted farmsteads, and old unused barns where a body could have been placed. If his body was frozen in December it could have potentially been placed in the tree, but why?
i... had NO CLUE you had a podcast. well, now i have more content to catch up on.
If he's been hanging for 6 month, wouldn't the skin around his neck crack during the time of the decomposition? May he rest in peace, and may his family get the answers needed to move on, especially his sweet daughter! 🕊️❤️🙏
Danielle this case is horrific!! Tanner seems to have been a loving young man!!! Thanks Danielle your great !! This case is one of the worst crimes I’ve ever heard!! Great job Danielle for this case,my heart go’s out to the family!!
I came back to finish the rest. I know a guy who hung himself in the spring/summer, he hung where he was for a while and no one saw him either. He wasn’t hidden, but he also wasn’t in plain sight either. It took a few days for him to be found
This one is very close to my home. I've been watching you forever and I think I've even commented about him before. I'm very happy to see this case getting covered after the big news as long written it off.
I feel really weird about this one. I lean towards suicide but mainly because I think hiding a body this way is SO bizarre. But then I wonder, how did he get up there? Was this tree super climbable? Just really strange either way.
Love your videos been a subscriber for many years . Still loving my t shirts I got a few years ago the grey with white milk carton and the black never stop searching . I saw something about a family in desperate need of seeking justice a mother and her daughter in desperate need of getting justice for her son that died and her daughter that was abused I thought of you right away getting their story out there and the coverage it desperately needs you are so good at what you do and so respectful I thought maybe you could cover their story so many more people will hear their story so they can hopefully get the justice so desperately needed it's for Grant Solomon. It's such a heartbreaking story this mother son and daughter endured it's the Grant Somon case out of Tennessee that happened back in 2020 thanks for the great work you do so respectful!
The bs attitude that some people have towards addicts, sex workers and/or people with criminal records drives me up a friggin wall.
Now, I know that what I'm about to say might sound a little crazy but please hear me out before you pass judgment.
I've heard plenty of people say that certain events that took place in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s couldn't possibly happen today.
Sentiments like that make me want to laugh in their faces and say, "Where did you get a stupid idea like that from? It's already happening. It happens every day in the US."
Why do I say that?
Because few people see addicts, sex workers, criminals and/or gang members as people who are worthy of sympathy, respect, justice or even general acceptance
I'm sure that toxic minded people would be more than willing to pop right up and say, "That's completely different. It's not the same thing at all."
Yes, it is...as a matter of fact, it's exactly the same.
In both cases, members of a minority group are seen as lesser creatures and, therefore, of less importance than the rest of society and easily cast aside like week old donuts.
Just because the members of a particular minority group aren't being eliminated in a methodically organized and industrial manner doesn't change a thing.
Sorry for going off on a rant like that...hypocrisy makes me so mad that I feel like my head is going to explode.
I completely agree with you, it's disgusting the way the police just don't care, a life is a life and these people still have families that need answers. Well said.
@@Lynx112 thank you. It's such a relief to know that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Thank God that I've finally learned to keep my more unconventional opinions and ideas to myself so I won't bother you with them.
I'm very aware of the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not my opinion...lol
How in the world could anyone deem this self inflicted? How do you hang yourself, after cutting your feet off and then mummifying your hands? None of this makes sense.
Danelle I really appreciate the way that you go through these videos. I can like feel your aura through the phone I feel like. I like watching your videos!!
There are to many unanswered questions. The same thing happened with my cousin, there's no way. My heart goes out to his family. You do a really good job! I'm impressed. You get to the point, tell it like it is, no filler..I subbed 😊
I’m glad you brought up FOIA, because while you were describing the ways in which local law enforcement seems to be stonewalling this family in a willful attempt to withhold information….I wondered to myself if they had tried to get the files through a FIOA request. In every case similar to this one there will be certain details that police don’t want to share with the general public, especially the victim’s family members. There will be details that law enforcement believes will cause unnecessary trauma - details that might prompt vigilante justice seekers to take the law into their own hands - details about persons of interest that could result in physical danger toward innocent people before they can be officially cleared - details that only the killer would know, which police purposely withhold from the public to confirm knowledge of the crime & scene while questioning a suspect - and a whole bunch of other reasons….but that’s all stuff that can be redacted by law enforcement before releasing it. It doesn’t make any sense for them to refuse to provide a full police report for a case that’s closed after being officially “solved” to the victim’s direct family. Those files are public domain. There are even people/clubs/groups/organizations that review cold case files to seek resolution & those cases are still officially open cases, but they are given the files by police without problems.
This family should submit a FOIA request - they deserve to see all of the evidence for themselves. And law enforcement should WANT them to see the case files if they’re telling the complete truth about the results of their investigation - the files would back them up, right? It feels like something very important is being hidden from them, but I can’t figure out what that might be
I agree. If the police feel like they did a thorough investigation amd truly stand behind it, they should hand that over, no problem. The family should definitely file for that and get third party to go over it as well. I pray they find the truth and get the answers they deserve. My deepest condolences. 💔
Most times that law enforcement doesn't want to release files, is because it makes them look bad.
Or to protect an informant. IMO ,
Old Jeremiah is an informant. When the "hostage scenario" takes place it's usually because they owe money to the dope dealer, or they ARE the dope dealer.
@@melsafken764 exactly!
@@wvgal7788 - EXACTLY!
@@melsafken764 - Yup! That’s all valid. There’s something the police are trying to hide.
I would be wary of meeting random people from the internet in person at this crime con and similar events...especially if i'm a well known youtuber who might cover controversial cases or sensitive topics. Please be careful! When youtubers mention they will be at these meet and greet type situations, it always makes me nervous.
Gravity is also why he could not have hung there for 6 months. He was very clearly held elsewhere prior to his placement in the tree. A stormy, very warm season? The rope itself would have rotted, the skin would slough off, it's just not possible.
I thought that at first, but what about the bodies left hanging for , sometimes yrs, in the suicide forest in Japan?
This is so sad! Poor Tanner! Rest in Peace. I hope some day his family gets justice. I don’t believe for one second that he committed suicide.
I live very close to where this happened and worked with Megan for years, the Trenton police just didn’t want to bother with this case, so suspicious. Jeramiah also moved out of the state after this happened.
Amazing work!! Thank you so much!!!
Prayers for the family for answers and justice.
earliest i’ve been to your video!! love ya
Very confused, supposedly no one in his family knew Jeremiah even though he was one of the hostages? I guess that could be the case, but then how did the sister immediately recognize and spot him in public? There’s something more there I think
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Tanner would've been found LONG earlier if he'd been there that whole time. I believe it was murder 🤬