To be fair, Genshin was never accused of asset theft. People were just mad when it was shown because it looked like Breath of the Wild - which then mostly dissipated as it came out. Tower of Fantasy had blatant asset robbery accusations.
@@ramon6783 yea, but Chinese people didn't really care. There's a lot of plagiarism in China, so they don't really care if someone copy something, as long as it's not Stolen or blatant copy
Play the botw first kid, and then edit u comment, venti barbara lisa literally a bootleg, tower, guardian, ancient tech, even the traveler sword reference or copycat the link master sword
genshin doesnt just "looks" like BOTW, several things are copy of botw stuff, just not directly stolen assets, i played genshin first, then played botw and always found things that made me like "oh so this is where genshin took this from" every 5 minutes, that has never happened with any other game before lol
Zack, just to make this point clear, Tower of Fantasy was not review bombed and called "Tower of Theft" because the game looks similar to Genshin. The developers actually ripped assets from other games like Honkai and used them in the game and trailers. This includes weapons and items, animations, 2D sprites and some world models. Other stuff is also heavily inspired by Honkai and Genshin, but that's less egregious than the outright asset theft.
I mean its a chinese game and Honkai and Genshin are under 1 umbrella unless miHoYo deved the games then its no issue afterall the miHoYo Multiverse is as complex as your typical Marvel multiverse and I'm too jaded with game companies doing midnight runs and asset rips and then die the next day
@@bururei5844 China will be China. Copying and stealing things from the west is a national source of pride they have. But when a Chinese company steals from another Chinese company, it's akin to treason in the eyes of the people.
I watched both you and Tectone react to that video and am super glad you were able to remain calm and objective throughout it instead of yelling and cussing when inevitable comparisons to genshin were mentioned. My ears appreciate it, much kudos!
If you think Genshin got a pass in China for imitating BoTW, then you don't know what you are talking about. Let's just say Genshin was viewed way more favorably in the West compared to in China at launch.
@@raaaaqj4uh Yeah it hits diffrent when my Asian parents didn't even let me buy a gaming console cause of my studies and there are people breaking it for a "free" game.
Thank you, cause the argument I had to see is "GEnshIN COpied! BReaTHOFTHE WIld!! BREathOfthe WILD CLONE"Genshin didnt steal assets and completely copy everything. It was inspired by it.
Thats the thing with Genshin players, they are mad at ToF because they believe its a copy and paste, when its not. I't like hating on Warcraft because its a "copy and paste" of lord of the rings and warhammer, just because it takes some from lord of the rings and warhammer.
If anyone read Chinese Light Novel, they would realize this happens all the time. Same starter plots, same MC background, almost same world building for the first 100 chapters or so until the LN going far enough to copy/paste another LN to make it different.
@Green Mosaic Do you go to university? IF so, you should know that when you take others people works and just copy-paste them, you get plagiarism. If you take the same thing and retell/rewrite the paper/work in your own way, it's usually okay, and pretty much no one will say it's plagiarism. It's the same thing
Love how Asmongold has more nuance arguments for Genshin even though he has never touch it. 27:48 "It has things that keep people engaged in the game. I don't really care what somebody calls content or what somebody doesn't call content". Genshin does lack endgame contents but I have played, grinded enough MMO before, if Genshin's endgame gonna take form of repeating a dungeon hundred times for a piece of gear then I'll pass. The game is still churning out events, characters, quests, exploration and that's keeping me engaged. I'll have my daily GI gameplay, do something in ff14 then call it a day.
Endgame sucks I can't deny that but the consistent flow of main story, side stories, world building, and events that casuals can enjoy every 6 weeks is out matched than any other mobile game Playing Genshin hard I wouldn't recommend
Well just farm one set piece for each element, perfect it, and pass it around for your future party member. No need to tryhard in genshin, enjoy the updates, quit a while, come back again to experience new story and event. Just play and chill
@@tylerkincaid5200 thats the thing though, that isnt a dungeon lmfao. Its a simple boxed room domain that has no real incentive to farm. Artis are purely unnecessary and only for the more dedicated. Genshin’s a casual open world rpg, akin to one of its inspirations, BotW. Its live service, but they never intended it to be an MMO and have dungeons raids etc So when people complain about endgame they want MMO elements but thats not fair to the games genre. Its all copium complaints and wishful thinking
Agree. Antis always point out the lack of endgame content but majority of the playerbase don’t really care. It’s just the streamers and twitch kids parroting each other
One aspect people don't take in consideration on twitch viewership is what streamers are streaming it. When Asmongold streams something it will automatically be above most games because of his average viewership. If Asmon wasn't streaming the viewership would be pretty low in comparison to other games.
Not really. Tower of Fantasy looked like plagiat shit to me so I didn't watch it. Doesn't matter that Asmo streamed it. I didn't watched his streams when I saw the title.
You actually can refund microtransactions in basically any game through your bank. However, this typically results in your account being banned for violating their chargeback terms. If you're lucky the devs just won't care or notice it, or they'll remove the items you gained from the purchase you refunded. EDIT: Since some of you are probably still on a family account with your foster parents and lack actual banking experience, here's a legitimate and legal reason for chargebacks (sourced directly from the Chase Bank website): - A product or service you received and are dissatisfied with Yes, you can chargeback literally anything (within reason) by simply claiming you're dissatisfied with it. Obviously it shouldn't abused (banks aren't dumb and monitor your account more than you do), but you can 100% legally chargeback MTX. Game companies can't sue for the product back, because they never lost it (the product exists exclusively on their private servers, and it costs nothing to sell). They could potentially sue for the $1-2 chargeback fee (assuming there even was one), but it'd cost thousands to pursue that legally, hence why they don't do it and simply just ban your account. Important to note that most if not all games that have MTX have a refund feature of some sort (usually hidden outside the game client on their website), and generally this should be tried first. Only chargeback if they refuse the refund.
For Genshin they basically take back the premium currency you bought I don't think there's typically any other consequences but if you've already spent it they will force you to go into the negative and if you stay in the negitive for a week you will get banned
I've had 5 purchases that went through but I received nothing (didn't notice until after I made all 5 purchases in succession). Customer support said it was fixed and will receive within 72 hours. 84 hours later, nothing. Def doing a chargeback, I'll play other games with the money. Im missing out on 80 pulls.
I’d be interested to know what the limitations of time on this are, for example if you don’t play a game anymore can you get a auto refund after 1 year 🤔 On the Face Id say no but then again I’d have also said no to being able to get a refund at all on an app for In game currency you’ve spent already Curious
I think there is a notable similarity in how, like you said, in the west, every new mmo has to withstand the comparison to WoW, while games like ToF have to suffer the comparison to Genshin instead, and how neither are particularly easy battles to "win" with how established those two games are at this point. But there is one important difference between those two comparisons; and thats the fact that WoW is nearly 20 years old, so a lot of newer mmos can make use of the massive array of technical and graphical developments that have been made since its release to give themselves an edge against what is still a colossal opponent. Genshin, on the other hand, is barely a few years old, so its challengers dont have that luxury, theyre just facing an uphill battle.
Also the developers of Genshin weren’t doing cube crawls (that we know of). People in the west are now fight for the underdog games because people actually want a “WoW Killer” nowadays
@@MadafakinRio Oh without a doubt, modern day Blizzard is a trashfire of a company and I'm not touching a thing they make until some serious changes take place. But while I'm sure many people are completely fine with WoW's aging graphics and gameplay (or the horrendous shit going on at its developer), I assure you there are many mmo players who strongly prefer games with some more modern, action oriented, gameplay, or more detailed character creators, or more realistic graphics. The two mmo's I still play nowadays are one thats like 10 years old that I used to play a lot back in the day, cuz nostalgia (which I'm guessing is one reason why a lot of ppl stick with WoW) and one thats got faster paced combat and a very nice chara creator with pretty graphics.
Just wanted to point that the story in Genshin progress VERY SLOWLY to the point it gets boring. After Inazuma i just quit because the lore seemed like i was doing filler quests all the time. Even worse, some content is locked behind events and if by chance someone didn't have time to do, then they lose a important piece of story/world building. Thats definitely not good. And lets not forget that the exporation also turn boring after some time. Im really impressed you guys still like to explore after 2 years doing the same thing.
i feel like most people that watch genshin on twitch dont watch it for the gameplay, its mostly a story based singleplayer game after all. they just wanna chill and talk to like-minded people
Genshin devs took inspiration from botw (though not that much: stamina management while climbing and gliding and collectibles, which weren't invented by botw, you know) as well as from a bunch of other games, but they didn't steal assets. They created an entirely new game, bringing experience that's not just a mere copy of something, but completely its own thing.
Mihoyo straight up copies animations from games like Bayonetta and DmC. The assets in the game are an asset pack in Unity. The entire comparison between BotW and Genshin is ridiculous.
I dont think anyone accused genshin of stealing assets. The 'theft' meme for tower of fantasy is that the copying was so blatant, one of the announcement trailers shown stolen asset.
@@jhkuroski you are wrong about that lol dude i don't think you were their during beta or lauch genshin was accused of stealing animation, Desgins etc too lol I remember during beta RUclips comments were all calling it trash or its just cheap copy etc etc lol. But those "hate" died out after a month or 2 from lauch since it got really popular
The difference is that Genshin and Hoyoverse in general don't actually outright steal stuff. Hoyo, at least at the very core of how it started, is comprised of anime fans. They like games, they like anime, they nod at it and pay tribute by ''copying'' it and don't blatantly slap ''its ours'' on it. Would be actually nice if people don't just repeat what others are saying, be it for Genshin(Hoyo in general) and ToF.
Genshin viewership highly depends on the events in the game, so like when there is dev live stream it's about 300k viewers or more. When there is some big update or interesting content, it's about 30-50k or more. Sometime at the end of a patch it can be around 7k
which is interesting seeing as genchin might be the game with the most players rn, and wow is receiving around 40k to 50k daily on twitch, so is wow just better to watch and genchin is not good to watch, idk how it works.
@@KalmanCouch If you actually watch genshin stream it's like a just chatting stream with game in the background. And because GI content is like single oriented so actually not much genshin player actually watching genshin stream.
@@KalmanCouch genshin isn’t a very streamer-friendly game. It’s best suited to variety streamers doing their dailies while chatting, not hours-long dedicated streams
@@KalmanCouch there is some people who summarize this well, and asmon kinda did it himself, but the idea is simple genshin is better played than streamed, but it’s one-of-a-kind game, so sometimes it just works for people
That's once in every 42 days though. It only happens on the live version update and a few days after those updates. But realistically though, most of them follow their twitter and honestly, a bunch of them are youtube frogs, not twitch frogs. So you can't really be comparing viewership on twitch when most of the genshin streamers, well at least non-english streamers, stream mostly on RUclips.
I listened to the dialogue of ToF for about 2 hours and I was exceptionally disappointed at the lack of effort for good voice casting/acting and polish for some animations considering how much money this company has made.
Crazy to me know Asmon, someone who doesn't even play genshin, is still able to look at things objectively when it comes to what is and isn't "content" infinitely better than 90% of the actual playerbase for the game . Edit: "I don't think it's the video game's responsibility to provide a platform for streamers to make content with it" Holy BASED . That entire segment was just so incredibly fucking based Jesus Christ.
It really takes someone who doesn't play the game to make an objective and insightful observation huh. I thought we all know by now how genshin is not a no life endless game but a casual single player one? If there's not enough playability then...just play another game or stream it?
I dont remember a lot of bugs and lags in genshin since global release. tof is incredibly unpolished, servers are lagging, sometimes fps is dropping and its ridiculous how easily you can cheat in this game by deleting one file and using cheat engine.
@@Chris_Knight7 You do know that the same goes for genshin right? It might be single player, but you can't actually play it offline. Just look at some videos of genshin where they have really high ms.
@@legacymse7095 Yeah I do agree with that, but still servers are laggy whenever people make a channel full, that should not happen, also pvp is super laggy many times, I love the game tbh it's WAY better than genshin but those problems exist
@@legacymse7095 well it different because it like if server of each game is a house then genshin is like there 10 people on the house but they do activity mostly on their own room but for tof is like the 10 people doing activity on living room...genshin not that lag because player information has they own space but tif got they data shared space each other Well idk i also hear them from other tho
Have you played an MMO at launch before? Blizzard's wow servers shit themselves every single time a expac dropped or when classic came out. Also what do you think happens when thousands of people are in the same area in a online game? Be buttery smooth? Think you are having unrealistic expectations or don't know how mmos work. And MMO's always have bugs when they come out and from time to time after patches. It's not a hermetically sealed room.
it wasn't derivative of genshin, genshin wasn't even involved... it straight up stole models from honkai which is the game miHoYo released before genshin. there's a difference basing something on previous things and straight up just stealing/copying it. ever heard of plagiarism? Edit, apparently my sentence structuring was shit and people think I'm saying Genshin "stole" from honkai that's not what I'm saying both genshin and honkai are developed by miHoYo. I'm saying Perfect World plagiarized miHoyo
I don't think this level of asset theft is comparable with the early comparisons between breath of the wild and genshin. Regardless of what you feel about either game, genshin did not steal assets from breath of the wild to directly paste into their game, the fixation on tower of fantasy is because they directly stole assets from Honkai Impact, and them stealing animations from that small japanese creator.
So hoyo never "stole" assets from BOTW? I never looked into that topic too hard and thought it was just a handful of people liking BOTW but hating gacha/anime stuff, so they acted like it was straight up plagiarism just because the artstyle of the world is kinda similar. The only thing I saw looking a lot like BOTW is the Mondstadt gras. I'm so happy to have a game inspired by BOTW for PC though lmao. At least Genshin is incredibly unique compared to ToF with it's weird "we just made this game to show Genshin the middle finger" approach
@@bighatastrea thats basically how it is - the mhy devs never denied they were inspired by diff games cuz they're gamers, so them taking a couple notes from diff places and spin it into something wasnt that unexpected. But people seem to be way to stupid to realise the difference between "inspiration" and "outright stealing"
@@SorarikoMotone Mihoyo doesn't also know how to be inspired by a culture and do it right. Imagine a jungle and desert region but 9 out of 10 characters from that region are white af.
@@Vizible21 what the fuck are you talking. do even know their culture? why assume that majority that lives in a desert as black? as far as I know, I can see an equal amount of white and black on those places. Stop spouting nonsense if you are not one of them. You don't know them well. I fucking hate all these western people assuming things. You are not their representative.
That portion on how games are compared to the gold standard of their genre and why genshin streamers can get more frustrated with the game, felt insightful to watch. I also appreciate that Asmongold was pretty matter-of-factly when it came to genshin, being able to talk about its merits without being a “fan” or a “hater”.
I'm gonna love when after some weeks people will realize that the endgame in ToF is the same as Geshin except the lack of polish. Right now the game is still fresh so you got things to do (as it was in the first weeks of Genshin) but then you reach endgame and you have 2 choices in your day on ToF: use vitality to farm gear (resin) or do a shitty p2w pvp lagfest. So yeah you win a p2w pvp and lose on the story, quality and worldbuilding. Also why do people think there is a timegated max levelcap in the game? It's because they want you to still play to reach endgame while Sumeru drops.
Honestly from playing it those days it looks like ToF has more repeatable activates compared to genshin even later into the game, mostly the mmo aspecs that genshin lack, and yes as mediocre as the pvp is atleast THERE IS SOMETHING rather than genshin lack of anything to do. The worst about genshin is the fact even after the endless artifact farm (which is basically the only thing left to do late game other than maybe build new characters) is that you literally have nowhere to use your strong characters on other than a 1 time every couple weeks on the abyss, thats it.
@@ronalddonais4164 Repeteable activities such as? Because there are none outside of what i've written. World bosses are timegated as weekly bosses in genshin, literally the same amount of timegating (3 a week to get rewards) hey at least they don't consume resin. I dunno if you feel like ToF has hard content but to me it feels easy af as Genshin and i'm not spending anything in both games
@@Vazmezvez Mostly the fact you can actually do activites without resin and you still get something out of them (support points, which can buy some useful items) so its still kind of fun, also world bosses drops on ToF are more exicting than genshin as you can even get SSRs out of them while genshin the most exiciting thing you can get is a weapon billet... Also the idea of mmo raids and stuff with bosses where you need to have comps to win is way more repeatable content then whatever genshin has, of course assuming the game difficulty scales up as idk how late game difficulty is going to be (if you can just destroy everything solo then that would be kinda boring), once again my biggest complaint about genshin is that you spend the entire game building your characters and then at the end when they're super powerful you have nowhere to actually use them, and mind you i use mostly c0 5 stars with either 4 star or 5 star R1 weapons, so its not like im a mega whale that has everything c6r5 and now is complaining that everything is too easy (in fact exactly due to that problem i see going for a maxed character like that a complete waste of time and money). Like of course genshin is way more polished of a game and better overall but i ive really been liking ToF for its good points (and yes the game does have a lot of flaws too which need to be fixed for it to become better).
@@ronalddonais4164 agree..there s a lot meaningful things to do in tof, even u can get 1 pull from daily activity alone (golden nucleus) and some lucky stuff from holographic person inside the box (dr claire thingy). the pity wont reset on ssr pull, so u can still get ur hard pity. genshin s way too stingy..im AR 60 having meta chars with BiS. spend some real money there. 4 daily activies for like 60 freemogems, lul..
Tower of Fantasy is not called tower of Theft because it is a derivative work. It is called this way because they used literally stolen assets from Genshin Impact and Honkai ( 3d models etc.. ) while also stealing their reviews via bots. We are not talking about taking inspiration from X there, we are talking about stealing X and selling it saying it's yours.
That sucks man, and it's wrong too, but.. It do be China. And they made valid use of those assets... And i do kinda dislike genshin. Still sucks they did it tho.
If you also played the game and noticed. There's ALOT of references or literal copies from borderlands 3 and 2. One of the ruins literally had the same statues and the interior plant life of eridian tombs. The small junkie mobs look the same as borderlands psychos and midgets. The locker model is the exact same in borderlands.
One of the things Ive noticed is that outside one of the early ruins had the exact same scenery as in horizon zero dawn (it's the ruin where you went into a machine cave and you have to fight fire spitting machine boss)
I think Tower of Fantasy will be tested when Genshin's 3.0 Update drops if it can sustain most of it's current playerbase after it then it'll do fine. But I'm more excited about Wuthering Waves which will probably be the first true competition to Genshin.
Have y'all seen 3.0? Its the same formula every time. No end game, just same thing over and over. Collect chests, collect oculis, open statues and teleporters. Thats all the game has to offer besides the story. Ive been playing since week 1 of GI, i used to defend this game, but come on guys its getting ridiculous. If you dont see this by now, ya'll either new players, or ya'll blind. EDIT: Seems I triggered a lot of people in the comments lol. Typical Genshin fandom, one more negative thing about the game is the fandom's toxicity. Here, let me elaborate about my thoughts. *I DO NOT HATE GENSHIN, I STILL PLAY TO THIS DAY AND ENJOY THE STORYTELLING* Im just saying the game has flaws, and it's meant to be taken as a casual game. What Im saying is if you're coming in expecting anything to change in 3.0, it won't. It will stay EXACTLY how it is and that's fine. If you're fine logging in and burning resin and get an hr or two of playtime a day, then good GI's the game for you.
@@SlaineReigns No, because Genshin know what it is wanting to be, keeping its formula that work, if it ain't broke don't fix it. And also it isn't exactly a cheap game to maintaince either, Genshin is actually one of the most expensive game to develop, right under star Citizen and above Cyberpunk 2077.
@@SlaineReigns That's what people want if they wanted to be able to endlessly grind they would play games like Lost Ark I've been playing this game from day 1 aswell ever since Honkai days really while people complain about not having enough end game content it also helps in not burning out from the game as fast, Genshin doesn't do a lot of things that people want but it has ended up making the game last longer.
Thank you for being calm and objective about this. Tectone's video was so obnoxious whenever the guy said "Genshin is better". He got so pissed when that was said. Like, just because a game is better than another doesn't mean it doesn't have issues that need to be fixed. Thank you for also acknowledging that it's not just this guy that's biased, but he's explaining the biased views of the Chinese market that is obsessed with Genshin. Honestly I was so scared starting this video that'd it'd be a repeat of "genshin is so bad, why is he praising it so much?" like Teccy's video. As much as I like to watch Teccy now and then, I've just grown so tired of hearing him complain so much about the "lack of content" in the game, then continue to dump thousands of dollars on it to c6 a character for himself, then pour more money into it on other people's accounts as well.
Excuse me, don't compare Tower of Fantasy to Genshin. Genshin did everything from their own asset modeled based on popular games. Tower of Fantasy is clearly just straight up stealing everything. Not just Honkai or Genshin. No Man's Sky, FF14, DMC, etc.
2:30 Is not that the CN reviewers are savage is that Mihoyo fucked up the Anniversary so badly that both the CN and Global community went on a rampage, it took them two Versions to regain that score and it used to be way higher
Whoever said Genshin has no content... Genshin has no content because it is a casual game,the game itself target casual player,if you're a genshin content creator complain about no endgame content that a you problem ,why not play other game while also play genshin?. glad genshin is not for hardcore player,I rather spend 30 minutes than spend 3-4 hours doing thing that will eventually get boring,there are many people that has thing to do irl don't have much time to play, don't even bring "well they can just make it optional endgame content" no,if you think the genshin playerbase will happy with the endgame content that only give mora and exp then you're new. I played alot of pvp game and yeah it fun at first but week later it just boring because happen to every game,doing same thing will get you bored. If you find it fun,you just love winning or try to be the best player. Tof isn't any better than genshin,in fact,they can't even comparable,one game is mmo and one is rpg,one game focus on multiplayer,one game focus on single player but if we talking about overall rating,genshin over tof I hope he don't play genshin because he is just like another tectone
I think lot's of people are unhappy with TOF straight up stealing assets from other games like honkai impact, while genshin borrows heavily from BOTW at the beginning, it never direct stole any assets from BOTW that I know of.
Even though i think Genshin is overrated i completely disagree on genshin being derivative of BotW. I think BotW just set the standard for this genre. So i see it more like a new mmo adapting core features of the mmo genre which imo is totally different than stealing assets like weapons and characters or trailers.
Genshin would be a good game if it just a derivation from BotW. Right now it doesn't know what it wants to be. It's making you do chore of a mobile game the same way you do daily in an MMO.
@@DuoMaxwellDS Genshin is a single player game, so basically a story driven game, all other activities in game is to make your character stronger to progress with the story, i've seen a lot of people can't progress because they have bad artifacts and can't fight Childe at all, some even can't do ascension domain
@@mayuri206 what do you mean Empty world.. there's a lot in that game world. animals to hunt, korok puzzles, monster camps, the only thing lacking is the amount of towns and people.. but it makes sense because it's 100 years after basically an Apocalypse. lots of stuff is still in ruins. and they are still rebuilding.
@@ghoulchan7525 sorry lifting a rock in the middle of no where 10 minutes away from another said rock (or anything else to do) for useless seed's isnt "alot to do"
Since i like having my own character rather than using a prémade one, tof got my attention more than genshin, but in general, tof being launched is a great news, after all, genshin devs will no longer feel the freedom to mess up on events like how they did at the anniversary since they have a direct competition now.
"direct competition" my brother in Christ, ToF couldn't even compete with them in their main market (china) . What level of cope do you gotta be on to think it'll compete with it when it couldn't even faze Hoyo in their primary market lmao I do agree genshin needs some proper competition but ToF isn't it.
can you answer something to me :o i like the character customization too and the game look very pretty. but similar to genshin you have this initial character but you will probably end up playing with the gacha characters. So you can customize your character but will it even be useful in the end since you will have to play with other characters in the end. Unless you can also go on and customize the gacha characters but that wouldnt make a lot of sense, i can only imagine it being some outfits that you can change, and maybe customizing the colors of the outfits. But still you wouldnt be able to change their face, height, gender stuff like that so.. i still cant understand whats the point, is the character customization just for you to create a character that will be just for display when you are walking on the cities and talking to other players, and then you change to the actual good characters for dungeons/boss fights? I still didnt start the game because of this xd
@@SeaSerpentLevi as far as i noticed the gacha characters offer minor benefits that might or not help you depending on your playstyle, and the gacha is more for the weapons since you automatically get the weapon onwer's skin alongside it, not to mention that when you use a "golden shot" as they call, you also receive an currency named Dark gold, with enough dark gold, you can buy cores for the sr and ssr weapons you already own and upgrade then without having to rely purelly on luck, not to mention that you get an additional skin for an ssr character and its weapon when you get three cores for its weapon
@@SeaSerpentLevi short answer: The gacha characters are just optional skins. Medium length answer; think genshin, Diluc for example, in this game you’d get him and his weapon together but you can use them separately. You can use his weapon with your character, use his weapon with his character, or use his character with a different weapon.
There are things that I really like about tower of fantasy. Like being able to stick with the character I made or like for all weapons. Your character has a voice. The way limited banners roll over, the mmo aspects like group finding and world bosses. But in all other aspects Genshin is superior. Better story, waaay better music, more interesting combat with elemental combos and reactions, and overall much better polish and quality. It would be an easy 9/10 if not for the gacha for me.
Oh trust me... (former whale and semi-metaslave speaking) Those elemental combos get old and uninspired quickly, nevermind being unbalanced and poorly used in practice at content that's worth some brain power. It's somewhat similar to Anthem's elemental combos but at least Anthem let you carry 2 non-useless sub-skills and movement differences/style were discernable. The enemy lineup and AI is mostly to blame too. Decently fun combat content is still just the regular enemies with boosted damage and HP pools. I agree Genshin has much better "form" but it really lacks in (and distracts from the) "function". It oddly feels like a less-coomer, more family-friendly version of: "Only here because giant anime titties" (even though I love such content very much lol) and those who don't buy into that say the old classic, "Not paying & praising just because of that. That's an insult to my intelligence".
Reactions are a fun concept of the "now that I've seen it, this was inevitable" variety, but at the end of the day, the only interesting ones are geo shields, superconduct, swirl, and freeze. The rest are just more damage and they're done, and they're not even balanced, with pyro reactions scaling off character stats, and electro doing its own thing. GI couldn't even be bothered to make every charged attack unique or give them a dash attack. It's like they gave Jean hers which was perfect for an anemo that can throw people around, then decided that was enough. Finally, I can say with certainty they had no idea how to make an engaging combat system. The list of problems is exhaustive, but I'll just say one example is they introduced corrosion because they realized they fucked up the way shields work.
Coming from ToF to GI in terms of combat I felt the difference immediately. I prefer GI storywise but ToF made fights fun again with the combos and fight mechanics. Or maybe I'm just bored with GI overworld and abyss. Not sure how ToF will hold up though. I can see myself getting bored as well as an f2p cause I don't care for the story in ToF, and powercreep hits so hard in ToF.
Didn't play Genshin, so my take on ToF is i actually enjoyed it more than i thought, maybe due to its MMO aspect. This works well as a replacement from PSO: NGS from its anime style, combat, meeting people on the field, and exploration on open world. Maybe NGS got some of more unique weapon and fast combat, and overall better customization and looks. But can't stand those 100gb space, especially on my 500gb ssd laptop lol. But yeah, the combat on ToF is pretty fun once you know that they have dodge attack combo, incorporate it with their aerial attacks and hold button attacks, there's quite a lot that you can do, so definitely not just spamming LMB. And the ability to stick to your own character is also a nice point, since imo while the 3d model of ToF looks better than Genshin proportion wise, the character design itself is less...memorable. While most of them looks cool, it feels like a "bland" coolness. It feels like the established characters are presets made by people while they are thinking "let's make a cool looking character". So of course they looks good, but it stops there. Some of them not even really fit the sci-fi theme. The best looking and most unique one that also fits the theme i think is Shiro (the chakram cat girl). Unique hairstyle, good colors, good combination of base suit and outerwear, fit the sci-fi theme a lot. So due to this issue that i personally have, i'm glad that i can stick with my own presets. I'm not saying that i can design character better than them, and i also not saying that my presets are better than every single one of them. But since i feel most of them feels like presets anyway, it'd be better for me to just use my own.
Can agree genshin won in story. But for combat a big no. Once you reach true endgame in genshin, all you do is press 2 skill and everything got deleted. Very boring. Meanwhile on ToF you still actually do the battle.
Why cant some people understand that genshin is a casual story driven game in its core? if you find the game boring then its probably that you dont like the story. Simply stop playing and move on at that point.
the reason i stopped playing genshin is mainly just unskippable dialog when u dont care about this quest story and are just trying to play the game, or get to and beat the quests needed to start the event, main story i really liked but the random quests i didnt and just wanted to continue playing the game but being forced to wait what felt like half and hour or more in total for each dialog for the quest just to gather or kill something which takes like 2 minutes just to be back into a long dialog just killed the game for me, expecially since if u stop playing for a bit and need to rush the story todo the events you either skip the event to not rush the story or u rush the story just todo the event
YEAH.. genshin is more of a relax game..like I just want to explore the beautiful scenery. the elemental reactions are cool too. The story in game can be hit or miss but the lore behind it is very deep. If Tower of fantasy is doing good then its good for them. people gets annoyed when the two games are always being compared when they dont know that the devs of TOF actually proudly announced in the past that they are "the genshin killer".
@@moonpig660 In short, you do not enjoy the story and you just want gameplay when Genshin is all about the lore. I guess it make sense why you stop playing. That is what the game is all about lol.
All what he says about the copies is totally truth, even people copy from other people all the time. Thats How you get your personality after years. No one was born with his/her own personality. Same works with the games. No game in 2020 is totally original. But they can always improve.
There's no shame in copying or taking inspiration. There is however in stealing and theft. That's simply why the game failed in China. The buggy experience of the game didn't help too.
There was huge debate on if Genshin is copying Zelda when Genshin first lunches in China, and actually people were on Zelda side. However with time pass by and more patch released, it looks less likely a direct copy but same graphic theme
There was no debate. Gamers hate Genshin, some Chinese gamers even broke their ps in a sony conversion after a ps executive said he's looking forward to the release of Genshin. But gamers are the minority, most ppl in china(aka. normies) still think spending money buying games is stupid when they could download games from the app store for free.
@@Lutasiren that was a hired ploy from tencent/perfect world whoever scummy it was to play dirty in hopes of swaying public opinion about genshin. It worked for a while, until people realized BoTW wasn't even on PS4
I've been living in China for 7 years. Even though they make a ton of mobile games, almost all of them are monetized really fairly. There is "lootbox" legislation; for instance in hearthstone you just buy dust directly instead of buying card packs. They honestly make some pretty damn good games even with limited resources and subject to censorship. Even if they want to export a game overseas, it still has to pass some censors, who are nearly all 70 year old out of touch hyper-conservative boomers. They got around this with Honor of Kings by outsourcing some of the team to foreigners when they realeased Arena of Valor as it's counterpart in 2017. They just now finally managed to get Honor of Kings in its full form into open beta in a few developing countries (Mexico, Turkey, Brazil). It's a really good game with non-predatory non-p2w monetization. If they can lift the laws about censorship of exported games, there could be some great games coming out of China eventually. But things are going toward China being more and more like North Korea and less and less free since Papa bear eliminated term limits and implied he was gonna be big papa for life.
In China, most people play mobile games or computer games, and there are sometimes squabbles about monetization of games, but most people are used to this payment model.
It's an mmo with character creation so people made characters, in the gacha you roll weapons, the characters that come alongside them are almost fully cosmetic, plant thing is a world boss you can do with anybody who is in your current channel.
To be fair, this "ToF regivine" is based on Alura-Une, because inside this big flower is a grown naked woman (but ofc theres no waist or anything beolow waist and also no nipples). But yeah why make this creature based on mythology (i think its a yokai? dont remember) literally in flames to makes this comaprasent? They are asking to be compared at this point.
@@Bongyes Probably because Alura-Une is normally potrayed in a red flower so flame element fits the most. There is no wood/grass element so that would've probably been the next best alternative. Fire has a rather tight bond with the earth element so plants and fire, from an asthetic and mythological(?) standpoint does make sense. Ice and volt, the other two elements (there was a fourth I believe but I can't remember) don't fit. Personally I feel putting her in flames is the most logical thing to do because there's multiple reasons for doing so. Making her throw around ice or lightning bolts screams "we wanted a plant as well but didn't want to copy it from GI". But that's just me.
The thing to remember about China and its most popular stuff is, usually a running thing or a long series, an example for games: Gujian 3 is the only one available to steam with limited translation, Sword fairy 7 is the same and is limited with English translation for even text, the systems they use may be different in looks or some may have certain elements added in that are not regularly used but are not uncommon. In fact one of the longest running Manhua is on it's 5-7 series (Each follow a different protagonist in the same universe usually thousands of years later) and has a very distinct are style, and it's translation to English is so slow that they leave it behind to work on the next one before even completing a series, basically spoiling everything and killing momentum. To admit, one series was rather unique, but outside that, the Wu Shu genre is so stagnant and repetitive there is a good chance you can predict an entire series once you read enough of them, and the good ones eventually drop off due to having to keep it going, thus worse carbon copies with the same tropes and power levels and names sprout up. It is a constant problem and it very quickly becomes a cycle of repeat and reuse. Korea is having this issue with is Manhwa industry, the series Solo Leveling was so popular and well received that is birthed dozens of others using the same powers, art style, hair cuts, a copy paste of the Main Character in terms of looks or skills, the same father is dead, mom is sick, sister is pretty and in debt with medical bills. The Full dive VRMMO genre is having the same problem in Korea, basically making worse versions of the same one that got popular. An earlier for of this would be the Black Butler craze, after it was published and got an anime, in which lots of suggestive BL (Boy Love) was in it, with a dark theme, an explosion of them came out betting more intense with their BL, even creating a genre for it. The author for Black Butler admitted she wanted to make a BL manga but didn't think it would sell well, considering the demographic for manga/anime, but she did pave the way for it. Which the BL genre fell into it's own pit of "it's practically softcore hentai with the junk blurred out," and it lost popularity for a while. Which points to a problem of people cashing in on a popular idea and people buying into it but in reality they had no idea what to do, much like the isekai genre, nothing but trash and pale imitations until you wanna gouge your eyes out. Unlike something like Berserk which no one could replicate.
The thing is, its Tencent behind Tower of fantasy. And when it comes to malicious business behavior, its NEVER coincidence whenever they are involved. +maybe it is difficult for foreigner to get information, but do try to check out what happened between MHY and Tencent in the past, that will give you another perspective to look at ToF
@@gamezonereactions8388 if only you could be so lucky to not know about Fortnite, sadly you do, because even my 90yr old grandma does and you can't be more out of touch than her.
@@richardshiflett5181 open world = genshin KEKW Imagine comparing MMORPG open world and Single Player open world 💀 different genre bro. (I play both btw and I shit on them both equally even plagiarism on ToF)
The two things I wish genshin had were dungeons and good co op. Not only do tower of fantasy does both well, they have co op mechanics and the ruins feels like mini Zelda dungeons with the puzzles. The deeper the game you go the mechanics gets better and dungeons becoming a bit deeper.
@@justsomeguy727 genshin is not even good lmao idk what the hype is. why would i watch someone play a single player game? ill just play it myself if i wanted to. plus tof is just genshin as an mmo. they just did better and smarter
@@justsomeguy727 Yeah, that sounds pretty dope tbh. No PvP, but being able to tackle much larger ruins than are currently in the game designed around having a few other people your level with you sounds like it'd be great.
Ngl, i expect ToF is what i imagine when Genshin first released. Im mmo fans, and my friend told me that there will be a new mmo with nice graphic and story called Genshin, turns out it s just Co-op multiplayer, but not MMO. For me, ToF nailed their dungeon system and most, if not, all their co-op feature better than Genshin, while Genshin has better story and graphic. for the combat, i prefer ToF.
Though i would agree that genshin IS in fact inspired by breath of the wild they did not at least take assets from it compared to ToF. I would have to say that people who are critical with ToF are valid, if you played honkai impact 3rd open world, the assets in genshin is more from that than breath of the wild, compared to ToF who has been evidently taking not only reviews but straight up an asset of one of mihoyos games for their trailers.
Yes copying BoTW game mechanics and making it a dream f2p game for weebs is more tolerable since even Iwata and other well known people of the industry said you can't copyright mechanics but assets you can. And in this case ToF casually ripping off Honkai is a big shame.
6:30 As far as I can remember, the devs do said that Genshin is heavily influenced by BOTW in terms of world exploration. But yeah, BOTW missed the chance of having a more popular game if only they consistently keep adding waifus.
@@dhanyl2725 Genshin has the backing of the CCP? Tell me more about it. Also, BOTW might not be a live-service game but they didn't really added waifus. But we do all know that Nintendo weren't the guys who're into that stuff.
They didn't miss out on anything. Botw is a legend of zelda game. It did the job phenomenally. As well as basically started a new genre of aesthetics for video games. Nintendo made a shit ton of money off of botw. But they also know what they want to make and make it very well. They could probably make a better genshin impact if they wanted to make a waifu gacha game.
"BOTW missed the chance of having a more popular game" I don't think you realize that BOTW is the most selling game from Nintendo Switch, the game's good the way it is
Actually, remember the time when Warner Bros attempted to copyright a gaming MMO mechanic that irked so many developers? That is becase Gaming is built upon the concept of building off of older, existing mechanics, and improving from there. What is copyrightable, however, are the assets, characters, etc., as they are the 'art form' of gaming, the 'vehicle' to present the mechanics to the public. So in essence, Genshin is inspired from BOTW, which takes inspiration to older RPG games, which also got inspiration from the Tabletop D&D games.
@@sarahwallace1103 That practice has been frowned upon by gaming devs globally, and the 'patent' mechanics is usually done by mostly American companies who have no idea how different gaming is from actual products. Satoru Iwata once made a lecture on the topic and his biggest example is that on how the RPG genre evolved from getting inspired from D&D campaigns and its evolution that lead to giants like Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy series, and noted that the moment any of the mechanics are patented, the entire genre will fold on itself. In fact, we are seeing the evolution even till now. Heck, whether you like it or note, the Gacha mechanic itself follows this philosophy. Now, what happens to games where the mechanics got patented? They went stale. The genre was not innovating, until someone remade the same mechanic from scratch.
@@skybattler2624 A good example of a Game dying due to their parent company copyrighting/trademarking a game mechanic is Shadow of War and their Nemesis System. It could have changed how Single Player Games were made, but their Publisher decided that only they should have access to such a concept.
@Green Mosaic Unfortunately, to program a gaming mechanic requires a bit of code from older mechanic, which could potentially flip the patent over its head, or even causes some optimization issues
"I was one of the first one to use the SHURE SM7B" Uhm.... Beatboxers used it for ages, Michael Jackson recorded songs on it, Podcasters used it for over 15 years... This mic is around for ages and an industry staple. Also many Twitch streamers used it way before Asmon.
compared to the average gacha (no pity or pity at 300, rampant powercreep and content built around using only the new creep to be able to beat it) genshin is "cheap" by eastern standards, here in the west it became famous and since it's peoples 1st gacha they dont have the gacha experience to do a comparison of it with other gachas. not that genshin isnt greedy, it is, but you can't say you need to spend money to beat its content. it is pay2simp not pay2win.
not even pay2win, you can look for many streamer out there doing run with only 4 starter free units or even no pulling run till latest patch/endgame. If you cant control your desire to pull then thats a you problem
Genshin isn't cheap, bro. Considering how many F2P players actually dare to roll for weapon banner, and compare it with game like Honkai, Genshin is obviously not cheap. You can argue that there is no end game or PvP content so people don't need to spend, but an average spending in Genshin is still higher than other games out there like Arknight or Azur Lane. Heck even GBF people spent less and still get more than Genshin. I don't know what eastern standard here you're basing that from.
@@Anedime not saying the other gachas are unreachable to the west but you cant deny not even one of them has half the reach genshin does here; the meme of genshin being "babies 1st gacha" is widespread on the gacha community for a reason
@@DuoMaxwellDS I can only say a lot of people in china, easy beat the abyss 12-3 with complete F2P. Just like my friend play genshin since it launch, he have around 16/24 5 star on his account without spend a dollar. If you willing to spend half a hour everyday, to do the daily quest/abyss and event. You can pull out a 5star character every 2 month, totally free. If you want to F2P, spend your free gems wisely. Only spend it for character you like or powerful. Also there is not only the 5 star can beat the hardest content. There is always have 4 star you can use . 4 star character are also very powerful too. You don't need the greatest to beat the hardest in this game just play it casually
I have to disagree of when u said "if this wasn't a gacha, it would be a better game" cuz let's be honest, most of these games wouldn't even exist if they weren't gacha, cuz gacha is and was already a sub-category of games, it every gacha game took the gacha out of it it would be mostly an overwhelming amount of either RPG games or idle games/turn based games, I think the market would be over saturated, I think the gacha system kinda keeps players limited in a sense that they focus more on one or two games of that type, not to mention these companies have to make money, Genshin for example wouldn't be able to grow not even 10% of what it has if all the money came from cosmetics or something, which they barely have right now, it just doesn't work in the context of that game and many others, and I'll just bring up the good old argument that you can clear the good gacha games without paying a cent while also being quite powerful if u just play it regularly, u might never be at the level of a whale but like in Genshin's case it's not like u have to fight or compete against the whales, just focus on your own fun with what you have, it does feel better and more fulfilling when u get a character after saving for so long, or even the hyped waiting time for a rerun of a character that you've been wanting for so long, that's what creates so much media content and hype around genshin impact. Spending money just makes the game easier or more comfortable at times, it was never obligatory, only those that have money to spend on games spend it on them so it's no big deal.
Asmon has repeatedly said this whenever gachas were brought up, it was never about spending money on a videogame or how much an item/cosmetic costs. It's about spending money on it, and not getting what you want-- Gambling so to speak. Also, if only the gacha system is what keeps a game afloat, then it may as well die tbh. I don't enjoy having RNGesus plowing me from behind with 99.7% success rate
I've played a little bit of ToF and a lot of Genshin. Genshin is a single-player experience that can do multiplayer if you don't look too hard at it, but ToF is supposed to be an MMO with gacha elements. I don't feel like ToF has enough to offer other than it being f2p. Meanwhile, Genshin feels more of a complete game that adds content every few weeks. Tower of Fantasy should have had a few more months in production to polish things up.
Imagine you're a Genshin player. You've spent thousands of hours (and maybe even money) into the game. Why the HELL would you throw all that away to go play something that is practically the same game, only you'd have to start from scratch? It makes no sense. I sometimes see Genshin players say that ToF is better because "there's stuff to do", or complaining about how stale Genshin is. Well of course - it's a brand new game. OF COURSE there's gonna be stuff to do. This is no different than when Genshin comes out with a new area. Everybody suddenly LOVES Genshin again. People are forgetting that in a few months, no matter how good ToF is, you'll run out of areas to explore, monsters to kill, and bosses to fight. You'll be stuck waiting for content just like you do with Genshin. If you asked me to choose though, even if both of them released side by side, Genshin would still be the clear winner.
alright fanboy calm down. i can smell from a mile away that you havent tried tof at all and made an unfair assessment. it's good to weigh the pros and cons first of each game before u start spewing nonsense.
That's what i've been thinking too, people have been hit with severe recency bias and we'll only be able to see where it really stands in a few months once people have gone through most of the content.
@@darkvoidb9717 "endgame" is not a concern for people with social life and work. Every time I hear "endgame" I can see that fat little kid with pimples eating nuggies in his moms basement.
Is Asmon paying attention to the video? Tower of Fantasy is getting shit on because it's STEALING ASSETS not because it's a game made in the style of Genshin which was made in the style of BOTW. There's a huge difference to making a game in the same genre and literally stealing art, code, and reviews from other games. Jesus fuck man.
As long as the Chinese community holds their own accountable when artists steal from foriegn artists and designers, then I see this as a good thing. Don't let theft even on a global scale go unpunished.
Just some quick correction from soomeone that reads Chinese, the download number of Tower of Fantasy was about 1.13 million, while Genshin had about 19 million downloads. The figures are the data from that one single platform only, ofc.
Tower of fantasy already came out for 2 months now in China , and it seems like most of the people is quiting the game for not being friendly saying the story is bad , endgame not good enough , you can hardly find people to fight bosses , too much hackers , cheats and bugs in the game , pretty much saying the game is pretty bad. But at last this is what a saw on the comments they give on the internet . Who knows ? Let’s see what the global server can do in 2 months . Give some more opinions to discuss
The point is that no game is going to compete with the polishing Genshin has, and even then Genshin has some quirks. The way Tower of Fantaasy goes is *gasp* actually trying to do something different, being a game with a shared world like a mmo is a nice change of pace, the mobility of the game makes travelling not a big deal but it's fun anyway. And the combat isn't as atrocious as this video makes it look like, it's more like another Mihoyo game, Honkai Impact. But yea, some aspects are lacking and the game is rough around the edges, most people won't look past that, but the ones that does are having great fun. I know we can't expect the game to have so many updates as genshin or even that the game lives as long tho.
I'd also say the game is so different from genshin that it should be seen on it's own light instead, exploration elements are similar to genshin but with all the artifacts it's actually closer to Zelda instead, and the combat is actually much better than genshin's, much closer to Honkai actually, although it's still pretty rough around the edges I'd say the game does have a lot of potential Also, I'll say this once because I was talking about it with some friends, basically the game is not just way more generous than genshin, but even the gacha is actually cheaper and much more friendly...
Now seeing the game on it's own, despite being gacha it does seem pretty generous, gameplay is surprisingly fun, exploration is fine, although time locked content is pain, boss hunting is entertaining
@@Gigi-zr6hp true, still doesn't change that quite a few of the mechanics are quite refreshing, even on the gacha side, like for example the fact that not only you have a guaranteed SSR at 80 every time but that after 120 pulls you will have enough to essentially select a dupe of any non limited SSR you might want or if you were doing limited pulls, even if you failed the GSSR it is just 40 more pulls to just grab it from the shop, I mean it's still a lot of pills but compared to other gacha games...
my impression after 5 days playing tower of fantasy : 1. the game is so buggy, i said buggy it's because it happened to me multiple times like suddenly sinking to the ground, throwing ball of the cliff with no reason, and whatever. 2. the server is so laggy, to the point where i walking alone i suddenly teleported to random places, or having my character teleported to location A, and my camera at location B. also fighting world boss in a party is not fun at all, the animation sucks, i cant even tell when where and what are the boss throwing at me. the perfect dodge that trigger some kind of time freezing somehow made my character stunned, paralized, or knocked back for no reason. skills sometime not properly triggered, delayed, or even not triggered at all. 3. the higher the level, the more "grindier" it become. i mean, it's not 100% bad, but as someone who played on the first day, i dont want to left behind by my friend in terms of character progression just because i worked on the day, and now it takes hours of playtime just for leveling from 30 to 33. if you play game from sunset to sunrise then maybe its not a problem, but for someone who can only play for 3-4 hours this is problem for me.
@@GregorianMG the last one is more like opinion, the time we spent in game could determine wheter we keep playing it or not, some people doesnt like the feeling of being left behind.
Tower of Fantasy probably should have not tried so hard to "copy" Genshin; you can see it in its UI. When copying a game that has a lot of acclaim, it will inevitably be compared to it, and a lot of its production values (graphical and sound) just look very cheap in comparison. I think it should have just tried to be its own thing, it could have still had waifus and anime but with a very different look and feel.
@Hiddel Subbeldees Devs said it themselves they were inspired by BotW and based the visual and exploration aspect of it. They never denied it or hard copied assests from it. It never tried to be or replace BotW.
@@FatalityPWN It is an argument a lot of people (especially Zelda fanboys) who have never played Genshin will pin on it. I have spend $40 on the game (not even the price of a triple A title) and I have about 1000 hours in it, it does a lot to differentiate itself from BotW.
@Hiddel Subbeldees It's inspired, and stands well on its own. It's clearly crafted with passion and attention to detail - from visual design to music and story, it's all outstanding. ToF doesn't come anywhere close.
As a player that played on ToF CN Version since the Release. I do agree everything that asmon said. The game is pretty dead on CN. Imagine playing the game till Max Level and my server only have 150 - 300 ~ player per day. Hopefully they learn their lesson. atleast make it polish. About the social credit things. Yes that shit is real. The register need your own Identification card to play it. That's the reason why only 10ish million downloaded. Sorry my English kinda suck :(
"If you're paying for armor and you're mad cuz someone else got it for free, I don't care... It's funny to me" ... Didn't he just say in the video about adblocking that if someone pulls an immoral thing on you (in this case the gacha system), that doesn't justify you to do an immoral thing to them back (in this case breaking the system to get stuff for free)? ... Double standard again I see...
Asmon said it was funny when a whale got mad at a freebie getting something good for free was funny, how does that at all relate to immorality or ad blocking?
@@bigdanbilzan He specifically said in a video titled "about gacha", that he agrees with the "Linus tech tips" opinion that if you're using an AdBlock, it's the same as piracy. Which is dumb in and of itself, but that's not the point... He said that he sees no moral argument for using an AdBlock. While he admitted that google does all sorts of immoral shit, like stealing your data, that doesn't justify you using an AdBlock. > Immoral thing done to you doesn't justify you doing immoralů things. If he doesn't find it funny using an AdBlock and laughs at the "youtube premium" users for being dumb, why is he finding it funny when the by principal same thing happens in gacha games? ... You could make an argument that YT premium members don't complain about Adblock users but I don't think that really matters. Or would his behavior change if they did complain? ... The reason the whales were complaining wasn't because they paid for something someone got for free, but because those accounts that did abuse the game system were not punished.
Genshin impact is simply way WAYYY more polished in almost every aspect except multiplayer than tower of fantasy. RUclips videos sometimes make these two seem comparable, but they really are not.
@@hua.. September already purified this game from most of the f2p, only ones who remain are whales and people who think this game as a future when a single cheat engine use can't even be detected by them :)
The game was so hyped, many popular streamer was sponsored by it and advertised it. And I gotta admit, I was excited too until I realized I couldn’t play it because experiences of many crashing and facing some issues. I have waited for this game just to see this bad result. Climbing in ladder, multiple servers/each regions being separated into north and south instead a whole, cant play when its queue/maintenance, crashing, not playable in certan devices, bugs at first launch, the use of controller, had to restart after downloading because of launch issue, poor storyline, no tutorial about diff elements (which is immuned and res to counter), subtitles being delay to the voiceover, went to beginning again in the repetitive story quest when log-in diff servers, third-party old bug problem, etc. Damn, so many bruh. The game has so many potential but was too rush. I thought it will be first released a long while but instead, launching it in aug 11.
I heavily disagree on "its funny" when sth that is advertized to be limited is given for free. I get the logic of - you have a ton of money so shut up. But realistically, what you are normalizing is called - a scam. If you tell people they have to pay to receive something and the day after give it out for free - it is a definition of false advertisiment and a scam. Additionally, shaming people for spending money for games is very oldschool. It is a hobby as any other, by this logic people should also not go out drinking or buy a book as it is just a hobby. I never whaled in my life, but I really am tired of this oldschool perspective that spending money on a game is wrong, especially from streamer and youtubers who mostly live off the fact that us watching them is our hobby and many people support them financially too...are they fools for it? I really hope he can rething his position on this.
@Zahdorfi I can assure you I am not a fool. I am a 28yo lawyer with a pretty good salary and I am honestly pretty tired to be told by people who make their money off being "entertainers" and currently playing gatcha games "ironically" (but also it becoming unironically their main source of income) that spending my money on gatcha is wrong. Is it an unhealthy spending habit that you have to be wary of and manage it carefully? YES. Is is any worse than buying every year a new phone to keep up with the trend, coz everyone else does so? NO. If people wanna fight uneahlthy spending habits, there are ton of them - from starbusck coffee, via netflix to Apple products. Yet nobody call out those unehalthy spending habits. Generally what I am trying to say and you are trying to ignore is, if you have money and a brain you should be able to pick your uneahtlyh spending habit. If you dont, sorry that gatcha got you..but I honestly believe you d be broke sooner or later anyway..so...sorry not sorry.
Genshin's art style was perhaps slightly derivative of both and some of their animations are derivative of nier and dmc but ToF has a ton of motifs and attack animations and character designs that border on IP theft and cheap asset flips.
Genshin’s attack patterns and strings also have fluidity in them and weight, when using a claymore you can almost feel the weight of the sword being lugged around but for ToF it’s like a weightless toy weapon.
The only thing Genshin "copied" from BoTW was the "open world". I don't know why Nintendo kids keep saying that Genshin "stole" some assets from BoTW when HONKAI IMPACT exists?. Like BoTW DID NOT invent the open world, Genshin took some inspiration but that's about it. The rest is from Honkai, from story to characters etc.
The history behind Genshin Impact is wild. Originally Genshin was supposed to be distributed by one of the major games distributors in China. The developers and the distributor had a falling out which led to Genshin deciding to do its own launch on all platforms. Everyone expected it to fail. This distributor that shall not be named even tried to rally the Chinese antis against the game which is why you see Genshin have 200 million negative reviews. But it turns out that you can't keep a good game down and the game succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams, to the point where the distributor mentioned tried to extend an olive branch to (then miHoYo) and was rebuffed. This created armies for and against Genshin Impact and now big money is trying to create the Genshin killer, much like how companies tried to make WoW killers in the past.
One thing the none Chinese don't know is that the developer of ToF is infamous in China for making a lot rip off and low quality games before, so most of Chinese players dont buy it since the beginning.
While lot of good China company especially hoyoverse and yostar manage to make their place in the global industry using lot of effort and passion, the bigest one just go and pull something half quality like this. No wonder those Chinese didn't really excite about this kind of game. I play Arknights and Genshin and watching several upcoming game and it ToF really stand out as the one with poorest presentation among them
Why do people get upset when a game has things that are similar. I understand that something like character design is something that shouldn't be copied, but something like movements and weapons, quite seriously, always look a little similar, or am I seeing it wrong ?
To be fair, most people are still in a honeymoon phase with TOF right now. People are willing to ignore the cracks in the foundation to a large extent because they haven't been massively effected by the issues. Give it a couple more weeks when everyone has collected all the in game pulls, they've explored the map fully, and their is no real reason to be doing much of anything in the game. Loot from chests in general at this point is just trash. Literally we're collecting trash level white items most of the time that at best only have a use in mass expenditure like the white level weapon xp batteries. TOF has exactly the same problem built into the game that most of these gotcha games have built in. The game is only as fun and viable until you reach the end of the campaign in most cases and then it's a matter of how much money you're willing to pump into the game. When the majority of the player base hits that point is when people at large are going to drop it virtually over night.
Same problem with genshin and I dont see you complaining about it, it's literally the same problem every gacha game has... Stop pretending gacha games die from one day to another, that's a lie and you know it. People will keep playing it no matter what.
@@Cevanth he adressed whale issues overspending and wonder why they have no content to clear anymore yes but ultimately all players hit endgame in these gacha games very fast w the same dailys chore and waiting for new patches updates lmao 😂
That's so weird, I've seen people say that the rewards from chests are very good and one chest can almost give you one pull?? I'm so confused when it comes to this game 😭
@@pippo264 He is just biased, the game is worth and has a time wall to prevent rush. Later 2.0 will improve even more the game and you can see how they're actually trying to have community spots like racing, etc.. they'r not only implementing pve/pvp content. Just check 2.2 on CN server and you'll see they listen and care
As a day 1 genshin player, genshin's biggest issue is simply it being a gacha game. It is very clearly designed as a single player, story focused game, with continual story & world expansions. but since the game is a gacha game, it has dailies that demand you to be logging on if you want to get the premium currency for your pulls (or you have to swipe). but since the game is designed as a single player game, it's not designed with an endgame loop. and that's why people get burned out and disappointed. the game has good combat, but with no endgame loop, there's not much to be doing that facilitates playing the game (from a combat perspective). and if you don't care about the story, you're just sitting on your ass doing the same dailies and artifact grinding. People who are playing the game for combat reasons will say the game has no content, is dead and sucks. people who are playing for world exploration and story are not, because those are what the devs are focusing on.
What I find stupid is are these hardcore gamer don't have other game to play and just genshin? If they want to spend 6 hours in a game then I have nothing to say,genshin when it launched was never meant for hardcore but casual player. The game does not require you to spend 2 hours. Which is a good thing,alot of adult have a job, teen-ager has school soon,they have thing to do and not spend hours into a game,coop in genshin can sometime be fun too (not with stranger,most of the time)
Agreed. The one thing that there's a massive discrepancy between the game being f2p-casual-friendly where it's expected that you log on to do content then log off when you run out of content... which in an ideal world is the best way to enjoy the game... but in order to bridge the gap between free to play and gatcha content, you have to do a metric fucktonne of resource management and do Dailies to farm the Gatcha currency.
The thing is the story isn't even that great. They only know how to tell the lore but fail to show it. Most missions are just go here, talk to this NPC and do that. When things go south, they also don't seem urgent and are relaxed as per usual. Combat is ok at best. There isn't even a dedicated dodge button, instead it's just a band-aid dash. There's also no depth in the combat eg. No counters, parries, perfect dodges etc. Yes, the game is mostly story focused but then why put a hellish artifact grind if you're not gonna expand on endgame content?
@@kamanira Issue is, Honkai can easily focus on that as they have little budget alloted on exploration as it isn't as vast as that in Genshin (and Hoyoverse has a game specific for that style called Star Rail, which seems to be their next big budget game). Meanwhile, Genshin has different stats that makes the Devs think Exploration should be a focus. Among AR55+ players, only 30% touch the Spiral Abyss, and among those 30%, only 15% do 36*, which is an odd metric. By contrast, on a metric released during 2.5, only 60% of daily players have completely unlocked the first 4 islands of Inazuma, and the most common request they got is more maps, which also means more budget because map design and puzzle placement with such detail shown in game will guarrantee to detail any plans for an endgame.
@@mleong75 but they increase bosses HP along with the story, so you need a decent artifact set to get through it Killing Childe, cube bosses.... are not as long as killing Raiden
Tower of Fantasy's gameworld is supposed to be full of corruption EVERYWHERE, which is why the titular female character gets instantly corrupted when her repulsor or limiter or whatever they call the thing breaks. But you don't see any corruption in the gameworld at all. Instead what you see is green grass, blue sky, clear water, healthy animals, etc. Hell there are even a ton of raiders wandering around the gameworld. So how are there so many healthy human raiders if the world is so allegedly full of corruption? The game world does not match the setting or story in any capacity.
The only thing that indicates corruption is those restricted places where you get a notice that this place is corrupted. On the other hand in Genshin, there was this place that was corrupted and the clouds and sky were purple the water was purple and there was purple smog around, and music became more ominous.
@@mickbotcast dev team is probably 10 time more in genshin tho it didn't help that mmo cost more than single coop game to dev . Didn't say anything just budget of genshin is bullshit and cash genshin make is also insane didn't help at all .
@@Noaxid Doubt about the cost part, I think ToF cost is way lower when they can cut a lot of cost from using "borrow idea" strategy. The rest in template MMORPG that they used to build
Same thing with BotW not being the first to have stamina, climbing, gliding, and other mechanics it had, but Genshin has always been called a BotW clone... So.
It did took 33 minutes to finally point out that ToF is an mmorpg while genshin is a single player rpg... on top of that with insanely horrible multi/coop that did not improve anyhow over 2 years
Yeah, true. ToF and GI have there + and -, because one have more mmo aspects and the other don't And sorry for my dumb question- What game has not improved it's multi/coop over 2 years?
Stealing assets =/= taking a lot of inspiration from a game. I like how people say it's ironic for people to hate TOF, i mean it's blatant plagiarism. They're taking "Let me copy your homework" to another level. As someone who has a couple hundred of hours on Zelda BOTW, anyone who says Genshin Plagiarized zelda never actually played BOTW.
@Robin Sailo you joke but YES, they did exactly that! They saw BOTW and just decided to make the exact same thing, just because it could be an original thought doesn’t make it so. You know full well EXACTLY where they got their ideas from so shut up
@@offlineraided okay what did genshin blatantly copy from Breath of the wild other than climbing and gliding that is now basically a part of every open world game?
@Robin Sailo Aside from the gacha, character movesets, and the grinding Genshin open world exploration takes a lot of 'inspiration' from BOTW such as Genshin Oculi with BOTW's Kokoro seed, the same gliding, climbing, swimming, sprinting mechanics, and ruin puzzles. Back then it's a huge thing because Genshin does not have a lot of content which makes the game lacking it's own identity and just looks like a BOTW clone. But as the game progresses, Genshin is slowly getting more original with the new stuffs they made. Although the open world exploration mechanics remains a straight copy from BOTW, other than that Genshin now has some originalities that differs itselfs to BOTW.
ToF stole assets from Honkai, animation from Honkai/ Punishing Gray Raven, and put into a rather empty world. In China where Genshin (well, global as well), Honkai and PGR are all so popular with big fanbase, it's clear why ToF got so much hate which it deserves. TBH I would only see Wuthering Waves as a niche competitor for Genshin, then maybe Mihoyo will make a standalone APHO that can compete with both.
I don't know about about PGR but Genshin and Honkai both have fully ripped off animations from DMC. Wuthering Waves had copy pasted texts and artifacts from Genshin in their beta as well. None of these companies or games are any better.
@@KHe4rtl3ss They are better in term of NOT advertising about these things, and invest a lot more into making proper games. Honkai was much more polished even when it got first released, from the revenue of GGZ. Mihoyo was open about how they were inspired by DMC to make Honkai, as well as the obvious BotW- Genshin. ToF advertise themselves as "Genshin Killer" bruh by copying Genshin and Honkai. PGR didn't say anything about competing with Honkai even when it does, same with WW. ToF just feels cheap tbh.
Everything is derivative of something else. Literally nothing is entirely original. Plagiarism is one thing, and should be condemned, but it's very clear that a lot of time and effort went into Tower of Fantasy, regardless of how much of their game may be derivative of other games in the genre. It's not like they stole source code and graphical assets. In fact, this is a large component of how we even end up with genres in the first place. Tower of Fantasy has some concerning issues that should be criticized and should be addressed by the developers, but we really need to move beyond branding everything a rip off or clone of everything else. This nonsensical attitude goes back at least as far as Doom, Wolfenstein, and other similar games of the period that resulted in the birth of the FPS genre.
the different between "derivative" and "plagiarism" is not about how much the effort were putting in, is how much of that effort actually working out as a result.
@@Gachagoblin i like how you say "is not about how much the effort were putting in, is how much of that effort actually working out as a result." which means nothing since both of those statements just in the end mean "it's about how much effort they were putting in". lmao
end game genshin legit nothing to do you get on do dailys, resin gets used, do bp if you want. do a domain cry bc you get don't get a good artifact. Get off and repeat and for events you just wait till they stop gatekeeping the event and wait till you can do all in one go. all genshin is a story that has yet over the year to change resin system and rng system when it comes to farming domains.
27:40 yeah this... People says that theres no content on genshin when in reality meta player are only looking for endgame repeatable content like boss raids, dungeons, guilds etc. When the game literally tells you that it is a story base and the real content is the world, the story/lore, the music the characters which always updated every 6 weeks consistently... And the best example of this is the new 3.0 trailer which they show pure story on the trailer you can see the meta players are malding and lore player rejoicing very different reaction on that trailer.
Well actually content is the game as a whole. So the battle, story/lore, and world is a content. I played Genshin from day 1 and Genshin story is amazing but most of the content is the battle like abyss, domain, even leveling up you character require you to fight world boss. People enjoy the game differently so is also valid for meta player to actually complain about the lack of end game content. People like progression. I enjoyed both but genshin only fun for the first one or two week of the patch cause the new story (progression). People shit a lot about meta player but in reality they is the one who actually spent more time to play the game. Most meta player that I knew actually waifu player but they want to make their character good and that's why they went to become meta player. After playing so much, the excitement is gone. Abyss and bosses becoming so easy. The progressive of the lore is so slow. The mini event becoming a mundane tasks to do.
Tof failed because they advertised themselves as "genshin killer" and failed to achieve even half of what genshin is. All hype comes from comparisons to genshin, not from the actual content. That's why it died so fast. No insane amount of artists, no theory crafters. Nothing to support the hype
A lot of good takes after he watches the video here. Not just for ToF but in terms of how people view Genshin content. I do feel ToF does provide that alternative to Genshin that people are seeking in some ways, specifically that when Genshin's content is dried up until the next update, people will play ToF's content and vice-versa.
Personally, I don't care if they stole from genshin and honkai because it takes the things I like from both and puts it in a very f2p-friendly package, and when your not lagging, the combat feels very nice.
24:50 he got me there, i didnt play genshin in a while but after playing tower of fantasy for like 20 h, i patched genshin and now im playing genshin xD
I've tried playing genshin again after tof god i stop after 30 min imo open world is just fucking slow to play even if battle feels better when you spend 3/4 of the time in the open world it's just don't feels right
@@AndresLionheart no he got a point... Have you tried to fight the Ruin Serpent in Genshin? Tell it to my face that Genshin isn't intentionally making the fight slow.
@@AndresLionheart Oh okay? So You're mentioning about Open world exploration but not Battle? Now, again, tell it to my face that ToF's double air jump, free mounts, surf board are slower than Genshin's Glider and a fan gadget that boost 20% of your flying speed 👍
@@Noobster474 I kill the ruin serpent fast in the abyss 2 straight in row as F2P with no 5 star weapons and mostly 4 stars characters lol. You just suck bro
The problem with the BOTW comparison is that all they had in common was, open world + climbing. Even then the climbing has been in other games and there's a ton of open world games. The differences between BOTW and Genshin are so huge that you may as well compare Assassins Creed to BOTW. Meanwhile ToF copy pasted Genshin so hard they even took the reviews.
Climbing on any surface (not common),open world,gliding,very similar stamina system,similar movement,somewhat similar combat,similar looking enemies,very similar weapon mechanics. I could go on and genshin impact is a good game but saying it’s «inspired» by BOTW is really underseling it
Genshin heavily took inspiration from BoTW, not just open world and climbing. Anime cell-shaded look, early game Mondstadt area looking surprisingly similar to early BoTW, ancient robots in medieval fantasy setting, damn glider, hilichurls resembling bokoblin enemies and abyss mages resembling wizzrobes… Damn, even Aether having similar-ish vibe to Link. There was a lot of BoTW dna in early Genshin, but yes Hoyo built its own world, story and gameplay on top of it. Tower of Fantasy is literally stealing assets, though.
@@pl4sma59Moving is now from BoTW? did they invent oxygen too? wtf Combat is similar? It's not even remotely similar. Similar enemies and weapons mechanics? Are you literally blind? Next you'll be saying it being a game is a copy of BoTW. Genshin also has the colour green in it, copied that too I guess. I guess you can use a sword in Genshin, shame BoTW invented that lol These are such stretches its not even funny. Are some things inspired from it? Ofc they are, that's roughly 99% of games and BoTW was "inspired" by a list of games before it.
@@anyanP Genshin; an anime game, took inspiration from BoTWs ANIME style? IDo you think maybe an Anime game was inspired by Anime? Aether is like Link? In what way? Honestly all of the examples are so weirdly vague I don't get it. Mondstadt area is based off of Europe, this is well established, I guess Europe is based off of BoTW now too. Gliders have been in quite a few games, dating before BoTW. Tribal enemies all = Bokoblins apparently now too which is just dumb. There's a difference between inspiration and copying. There's also a difference between things being 1:1 copied and obvious to see and having to stretch a bit.
@@siricosirus those are still things BoTW and Genshin have in common, not just “open world + climbing”. And yes, I’m not saying that Genshin literally ripped off BoTW, but it was really heavily inspired by it and you have to be either blind or in deepest denial ever to say it wasn’t. I’m also not saying that being inspired by something or being derivative in general is bad - and Genshin, arguably, doing it right by building off of this inspiration.
I just started playing tof and honestly, on paper there is no way it could ever compete with genshin in its current state. However, genshin to me is incredibly boring because it's purely PvE, solo playing and very easy. If I wanna a PvE solo game I'll go for something that's challenging like dark souls or has very good story like red dead redemption. Tof pvp which does bring competitiveness , which is very appealing to me and a lot of people I know while also allowing me to explore with my friends. Yes the gacha system makes it more difficult for f2p players but I've played against whales and it's really still very manageable to beat them with a much worse set of weapons. I just use the 3 ssr characters I managed to pull and none of them are great in pvp but I'll still win against people with better characters simply by knowing how to play instead of what to play.
Yeah same reason why i stopped playing genshin, got kinda boring with PvE content,i suggested that they add pvp content on their facebook post and genshin fans got angry (somehow) lol
@@sleepisgood2936 don't know why but many people don't like pvp. I do get somewhat tho. I haven't had a single match against anyone without nemesis over the last 3 days or so and since I don't have her or samir it's tuff. Also PvE is always kind of easy in these games as long as you level up enough so your units always feel powerful and you always feel good. Pvp destroys that since you see how much weaker you are without certain units
I like the combat of ToF more than Genshin (Aerial, Relics, Discharge system, QTE), while Genshin is better in like most aspects, they pale to compare against ToF's combat. Now if only it is smooth. Also, I like how people say the game is P2W when you can just ignore PVP for how little rewards it gives. PVP is just there to reward players who wanna fight randoms.
Genshin was really only considered to be a clone of BoTW simply because of the gliding mechanic that was popularized by it. Every other aspect of the game is either new or part of almost every Open World RPG. BoTW was the first popular game to have that gliding, but now you see it everywhere. It's like saying that Yu-Gi-Oh is a clone of Pokemon, simply because its monsters fighting each other. As if Pokemon was the first to ever think of such a thing.
odly enough the first 2 pokemon games and the first chapter of the Yu-gi-oh manga were released in the same year. yu-gi-oh started as a manga. the TCG came Way later.
6:40 But BOTW was in gameplay, which is the core argument of BOTW fans, first seen in Cube World. And let's be real, cell shading isn't a technique unique to BOTW.
To be fair, Genshin was never accused of asset theft. People were just mad when it was shown because it looked like Breath of the Wild - which then mostly dissipated as it came out. Tower of Fantasy had blatant asset robbery accusations.
Also wasn't it in China where that dude smashed his PS4 when he saw Genshin for the first time because it looked like BotW?
@@ramon6783 yea, but Chinese people didn't really care. There's a lot of plagiarism in China, so they don't really care if someone copy something, as long as it's not Stolen or blatant copy
@@xw2913 those ppl must be on Tencent's payroll lol
Play the botw first kid, and then edit u comment, venti barbara lisa literally a bootleg, tower, guardian, ancient tech, even the traveler sword reference or copycat the link master sword
genshin doesnt just "looks" like BOTW, several things are copy of botw stuff, just not directly stolen assets, i played genshin first, then played botw and always found things that made me like "oh so this is where genshin took this from" every 5 minutes, that has never happened with any other game before lol
Zack, just to make this point clear, Tower of Fantasy was not review bombed and called "Tower of Theft" because the game looks similar to Genshin. The developers actually ripped assets from other games like Honkai and used them in the game and trailers. This includes weapons and items, animations, 2D sprites and some world models. Other stuff is also heavily inspired by Honkai and Genshin, but that's less egregious than the outright asset theft.
Thats the excuse they gave yea
I mean its a chinese game and Honkai and Genshin are under 1 umbrella unless miHoYo deved the games then its no issue afterall the miHoYo Multiverse is as complex as your typical Marvel multiverse and I'm too jaded with game companies doing midnight runs and asset rips and then die the next day
I remember when China copied stuff from other countries and claimed that it is respecting them.
it's China, what do you expect
when something goes wrong they just blaming the lower rank
that's how communist china works
@@bururei5844 China will be China. Copying and stealing things from the west is a national source of pride they have. But when a Chinese company steals from another Chinese company, it's akin to treason in the eyes of the people.
I watched both you and Tectone react to that video and am super glad you were able to remain calm and objective throughout it instead of yelling and cussing when inevitable comparisons to genshin were mentioned. My ears appreciate it, much kudos!
tectone is just annoying
The moment you react to Tectone all rationally and sanity is thrown out of the window.
Tectone still mad that Genshin isn't a no life game for 24/7 streamers looking for pvp.
I mean, that's Tectone in a nutshell. You just watch him to hear him scream irrational things for 10-20 minutes.
Chad Asmon vs Whiny Tectone
If you think Genshin got a pass in China for imitating BoTW, then you don't know what you are talking about. Let's just say Genshin was viewed way more favorably in the West compared to in China at launch.
I remember some guy literally broke his PS4 because of this.. which is funny cuz botw isn't even on PS4.
That was a small minority of people. Besides, Nintendo fans are children that think BotW invented cell shading and open world games so lmao
@@raaaaqj4uh Yeah it hits diffrent when my Asian parents didn't even let me buy a gaming console cause of my studies and there are people breaking it for a "free" game.
@@eraba661 Kek same but I got out on needing PC to """study"""
@@yoba867 Same here tbh. I got laptop cause of "studies"
I think people need to understand the difference between copy-pasting an asset from another game and getting an inspiration from another game
Thank you, cause the argument I had to see is "GEnshIN COpied! BReaTHOFTHE WIld!! BREathOfthe WILD CLONE"Genshin didnt steal assets and completely copy everything. It was inspired by it.
@@Blazin720 I mean in the alpha beta phase it was literally BoTW, after that it got its own stuff
Thats the thing with Genshin players, they are mad at ToF because they believe its a copy and paste, when its not. I't like hating on Warcraft because its a "copy and paste" of lord of the rings and warhammer, just because it takes some from lord of the rings and warhammer.
If anyone read Chinese Light Novel, they would realize this happens all the time.
Same starter plots, same MC background, almost same world building for the first 100 chapters or so until the LN going far enough to copy/paste another LN to make it different.
@Green Mosaic Do you go to university? IF so, you should know that when you take others people works and just copy-paste them, you get plagiarism. If you take the same thing and retell/rewrite the paper/work in your own way, it's usually okay, and pretty much no one will say it's plagiarism. It's the same thing
Love how Asmongold has more nuance arguments for Genshin even though he has never touch it.
27:48 "It has things that keep people engaged in the game. I don't really care what somebody calls content or what somebody doesn't call content". Genshin does lack endgame contents but I have played, grinded enough MMO before, if Genshin's endgame gonna take form of repeating a dungeon hundred times for a piece of gear then I'll pass. The game is still churning out events, characters, quests, exploration and that's keeping me engaged. I'll have my daily GI gameplay, do something in ff14 then call it a day.
Technically genshin is a casual game so you don't need to spend 6 hours into the game
Endgame sucks I can't deny that but the consistent flow of main story, side stories, world building, and events that casuals can enjoy every 6 weeks is out matched than any other mobile game
Playing Genshin hard I wouldn't recommend
Well just farm one set piece for each element, perfect it, and pass it around for your future party member. No need to tryhard in genshin, enjoy the updates, quit a while, come back again to experience new story and event. Just play and chill
@@tylerkincaid5200 thats the thing though, that isnt a dungeon lmfao. Its a simple boxed room domain that has no real incentive to farm. Artis are purely unnecessary and only for the more dedicated. Genshin’s a casual open world rpg, akin to one of its inspirations, BotW. Its live service, but they never intended it to be an MMO and have dungeons raids etc
So when people complain about endgame they want MMO elements but thats not fair to the games genre. Its all copium complaints and wishful thinking
Agree. Antis always point out the lack of endgame content but majority of the playerbase don’t really care. It’s just the streamers and twitch kids parroting each other
One aspect people don't take in consideration on twitch viewership is what streamers are streaming it. When Asmongold streams something it will automatically be above most games because of his average viewership. If Asmon wasn't streaming the viewership would be pretty low in comparison to other games.
Yup also people dont consider is that just because a game drops on twitch views doesint mean its dead
he's the reason I started playing ffxiv
Not really.
Tower of Fantasy looked like plagiat shit to me so I didn't watch it.
Doesn't matter that Asmo streamed it. I didn't watched his streams when I saw the title.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly okay cool, no one asked tho, you don’t represent others
Not even tectone is streaming genshit
You actually can refund microtransactions in basically any game through your bank. However, this typically results in your account being banned for violating their chargeback terms. If you're lucky the devs just won't care or notice it, or they'll remove the items you gained from the purchase you refunded.
EDIT: Since some of you are probably still on a family account with your foster parents and lack actual banking experience, here's a legitimate and legal reason for chargebacks (sourced directly from the Chase Bank website):
- A product or service you received and are dissatisfied with
Yes, you can chargeback literally anything (within reason) by simply claiming you're dissatisfied with it. Obviously it shouldn't abused (banks aren't dumb and monitor your account more than you do), but you can 100% legally chargeback MTX. Game companies can't sue for the product back, because they never lost it (the product exists exclusively on their private servers, and it costs nothing to sell). They could potentially sue for the $1-2 chargeback fee (assuming there even was one), but it'd cost thousands to pursue that legally, hence why they don't do it and simply just ban your account.
Important to note that most if not all games that have MTX have a refund feature of some sort (usually hidden outside the game client on their website), and generally this should be tried first. Only chargeback if they refuse the refund.
For Genshin they basically take back the premium currency you bought I don't think there's typically any other consequences but if you've already spent it they will force you to go into the negative and if you stay in the negitive for a week you will get banned
I've had 5 purchases that went through but I received nothing (didn't notice until after I made all 5 purchases in succession). Customer support said it was fixed and will receive within 72 hours. 84 hours later, nothing. Def doing a chargeback, I'll play other games with the money. Im missing out on 80 pulls.
I’d be interested to know what the limitations of time on this are, for example if you don’t play a game anymore can you get a auto refund after 1 year 🤔
On the Face Id say no but then again I’d have also said no to being able to get a refund at all on an app for In game currency you’ve spent already
Curious
Or submit a refund request on your apple device and get a instant refund ive tested it up to 3 times in one game
@@slothdemon2459 you literally just made this up. Lol. Ive read they just ban you permanently if you charge-back. End of story.
I think there is a notable similarity in how, like you said, in the west, every new mmo has to withstand the comparison to WoW, while games like ToF have to suffer the comparison to Genshin instead, and how neither are particularly easy battles to "win" with how established those two games are at this point.
But there is one important difference between those two comparisons; and thats the fact that WoW is nearly 20 years old, so a lot of newer mmos can make use of the massive array of technical and graphical developments that have been made since its release to give themselves an edge against what is still a colossal opponent.
Genshin, on the other hand, is barely a few years old, so its challengers dont have that luxury, theyre just facing an uphill battle.
Children's RNG Casinos.
Also the developers of Genshin weren’t doing cube crawls (that we know of). People in the west are now fight for the underdog games because people actually want a “WoW Killer” nowadays
@@MadafakinRio Oh without a doubt, modern day Blizzard is a trashfire of a company and I'm not touching a thing they make until some serious changes take place.
But while I'm sure many people are completely fine with WoW's aging graphics and gameplay (or the horrendous shit going on at its developer), I assure you there are many mmo players who strongly prefer games with some more modern, action oriented, gameplay, or more detailed character creators, or more realistic graphics.
The two mmo's I still play nowadays are one thats like 10 years old that I used to play a lot back in the day, cuz nostalgia (which I'm guessing is one reason why a lot of ppl stick with WoW) and one thats got faster paced combat and a very nice chara creator with pretty graphics.
Just wanted to point that the story in Genshin progress VERY SLOWLY to the point it gets boring.
After Inazuma i just quit because the lore seemed like i was doing filler quests all the time. Even worse, some content is locked behind events and if by chance someone didn't have time to do, then they lose a important piece of story/world building.
Thats definitely not good.
And lets not forget that the exporation also turn boring after some time. Im really impressed you guys still like to explore after 2 years doing the same thing.
@@axellyann5085 Oh I've never played Genshin so I wouldnt know.
i feel like most people that watch genshin on twitch dont watch it for the gameplay, its mostly a story based singleplayer game after all. they just wanna chill and talk to like-minded people
Genshin devs took inspiration from botw (though not that much: stamina management while climbing and gliding and collectibles, which weren't invented by botw, you know) as well as from a bunch of other games, but they didn't steal assets. They created an entirely new game, bringing experience that's not just a mere copy of something, but completely its own thing.
And they put incredible amount of effort into it. You can watch any development video and it will be obvious.
@@blkwng love how you completely misread the original comment to prove your point
@@blkwng wait you can travel to sumeru in zelda?
@@blkwng So, where can I get my Keqing in Botw?
Mihoyo straight up copies animations from games like Bayonetta and DmC. The assets in the game are an asset pack in Unity. The entire comparison between BotW and Genshin is ridiculous.
I dont think anyone accused genshin of stealing assets. The 'theft' meme for tower of fantasy is that the copying was so blatant, one of the announcement trailers shown stolen asset.
yeah they literally used an asset from genshin in ToF trailer
I start playing yesterday and definitely saw a Borderland Lockers around the enemy camp
.....and they didn't even attempt to hide it
@@jhkuroski you are wrong about that lol dude i don't think you were their during beta or lauch genshin was accused of stealing animation, Desgins etc too lol
I remember during beta RUclips comments were all calling it trash or its just cheap copy etc etc lol.
But those "hate" died out after a month or 2 from lauch since it got really popular
@@魚-m6d bro they themselves said in a interview that they took inspiration from breath of the wild.
So china copying China?
The difference is that Genshin and Hoyoverse in general don't actually outright steal stuff. Hoyo, at least at the very core of how it started, is comprised of anime fans. They like games, they like anime, they nod at it and pay tribute by ''copying'' it and don't blatantly slap ''its ours'' on it. Would be actually nice if people don't just repeat what others are saying, be it for Genshin(Hoyo in general) and ToF.
It's all stolen from Japanese Anime, lets be honest here.
@@gamezonereactions8388 What is stolen? Do give some examples, please.
@@Lerath Everything about the art, it's all a copy, just like Chinese handbags.
@@gamezonereactions8388 You just don't like anything chinese for whatever reason and refuse to give any proper example. Pce
@@gamezonereactions8388 "the art" ....that it has an anime art style? Or cell shaded?
Genshin viewership highly depends on the events in the game, so like when there is dev live stream it's about 300k viewers or more. When there is some big update or interesting content, it's about 30-50k or more. Sometime at the end of a patch it can be around 7k
which is interesting seeing as genchin might be the game with the most players rn, and wow is receiving around 40k to 50k daily on twitch, so is wow just better to watch and genchin is not good to watch, idk how it works.
@@KalmanCouch If you actually watch genshin stream it's like a just chatting stream with game in the background. And because GI content is like single oriented so actually not much genshin player actually watching genshin stream.
@@KalmanCouch genshin isn’t a very streamer-friendly game. It’s best suited to variety streamers doing their dailies while chatting, not hours-long dedicated streams
@@KalmanCouch there is some people who summarize this well, and asmon kinda did it himself, but the idea is simple genshin is better played than streamed, but it’s one-of-a-kind game, so sometimes it just works for people
That's once in every 42 days though. It only happens on the live version update and a few days after those updates. But realistically though, most of them follow their twitter and honestly, a bunch of them are youtube frogs, not twitch frogs. So you can't really be comparing viewership on twitch when most of the genshin streamers, well at least non-english streamers, stream mostly on RUclips.
I listened to the dialogue of ToF for about 2 hours and I was exceptionally disappointed at the lack of effort for good voice casting/acting and polish for some animations considering how much money this company has made.
Crazy to me know Asmon, someone who doesn't even play genshin, is still able to look at things objectively when it comes to what is and isn't "content" infinitely better than 90% of the actual playerbase for the game .
Edit: "I don't think it's the video game's responsibility to provide a platform for streamers to make content with it"
Holy BASED . That entire segment was just so incredibly fucking based Jesus Christ.
Yes critical thinking is somethinh that vast majority of people are not able to do
Chill out parasocial Andy that's just common sense
@@svd355 lmao ppl that watch matashed and tecttone seriously are deserved to be deceived whole lotta clowns.
It really takes someone who doesn't play the game to make an objective and insightful observation huh.
I thought we all know by now how genshin is not a no life endless game but a casual single player one? If there's not enough playability then...just play another game or stream it?
@@potatopotato4028 i unsuscribed tectone after that reaction to this video asmon is reacting
I dont remember a lot of bugs and lags in genshin since global release. tof is incredibly unpolished, servers are lagging, sometimes fps is dropping and its ridiculous how easily you can cheat in this game by deleting one file and using cheat engine.
Servers lag cause it's an online game, unlike genshin. Still they do need to fix that.
@@Chris_Knight7 You do know that the same goes for genshin right? It might be single player, but you can't actually play it offline. Just look at some videos of genshin where they have really high ms.
@@legacymse7095 Yeah I do agree with that, but still servers are laggy whenever people make a channel full, that should not happen, also pvp is super laggy many times, I love the game tbh it's WAY better than genshin but those problems exist
@@legacymse7095 well it different because it like if server of each game is a house then genshin is like there 10 people on the house but they do activity mostly on their own room but for tof is like the 10 people doing activity on living room...genshin not that lag because player information has they own space but tif got they data shared space each other
Well idk i also hear them from other tho
Have you played an MMO at launch before? Blizzard's wow servers shit themselves every single time a expac dropped or when classic came out.
Also what do you think happens when thousands of people are in the same area in a online game? Be buttery smooth? Think you are having unrealistic expectations or don't know how mmos work. And MMO's always have bugs when they come out and from time to time after patches. It's not a hermetically sealed room.
it wasn't derivative of genshin, genshin wasn't even involved... it straight up stole models from honkai which is the game miHoYo released before genshin. there's a difference basing something on previous things and straight up just stealing/copying it. ever heard of plagiarism?
Edit, apparently my sentence structuring was shit and people think I'm saying Genshin "stole" from honkai that's not what I'm saying both genshin and honkai are developed by miHoYo. I'm saying Perfect World plagiarized miHoyo
thats what i said it doesint feel like genshin and more closer to Honkai
Bro it’s not stealing its reusing assets. like you said mihoyo owns both genshin and honkai. They are doing this to cutcost.
@@r2dk594 you misinterpreted OPs comment. They're saying ToF is taking assets from honkai, not genshin.
@@FunkyEspelhoCat ah I thanks for clarifying that
@@babytacprimo wtf are you even talking about they are both(genshin/honkai) made by the same developer, you can't steal from yourself.
I don't think this level of asset theft is comparable with the early comparisons between breath of the wild and genshin. Regardless of what you feel about either game, genshin did not steal assets from breath of the wild to directly paste into their game, the fixation on tower of fantasy is because they directly stole assets from Honkai Impact, and them stealing animations from that small japanese creator.
So hoyo never "stole" assets from BOTW? I never looked into that topic too hard and thought it was just a handful of people liking BOTW but hating gacha/anime stuff, so they acted like it was straight up plagiarism just because the artstyle of the world is kinda similar. The only thing I saw looking a lot like BOTW is the Mondstadt gras. I'm so happy to have a game inspired by BOTW for PC though lmao. At least Genshin is incredibly unique compared to ToF with it's weird "we just made this game to show Genshin the middle finger" approach
@@bighatastrea thats basically how it is - the mhy devs never denied they were inspired by diff games cuz they're gamers, so them taking a couple notes from diff places and spin it into something wasnt that unexpected. But people seem to be way to stupid to realise the difference between "inspiration" and "outright stealing"
@@SorarikoMotone Mihoyo doesn't also know how to be inspired by a culture and do it right. Imagine a jungle and desert region but 9 out of 10 characters from that region are white af.
@@Vizible21 inspired by culture =/ they gonna just copy and paste. Neither a skin tone is a culture, not everywhere at least, dunno about america
@@Vizible21 what the fuck are you talking. do even know their culture? why assume that majority that lives in a desert as black? as far as I know, I can see an equal amount of white and black on those places. Stop spouting nonsense if you are not one of them. You don't know them well. I fucking hate all these western people assuming things. You are not their representative.
That portion on how games are compared to the gold standard of their genre and why genshin streamers can get more frustrated with the game, felt insightful to watch. I also appreciate that Asmongold was pretty matter-of-factly when it came to genshin, being able to talk about its merits without being a “fan” or a “hater”.
Genshin just like many single player game. Are not a good source for streamer to do consistent contents
I'm gonna love when after some weeks people will realize that the endgame in ToF is the same as Geshin except the lack of polish. Right now the game is still fresh so you got things to do (as it was in the first weeks of Genshin) but then you reach endgame and you have 2 choices in your day on ToF: use vitality to farm gear (resin) or do a shitty p2w pvp lagfest. So yeah you win a p2w pvp and lose on the story, quality and worldbuilding. Also why do people think there is a timegated max levelcap in the game? It's because they want you to still play to reach endgame while Sumeru drops.
Honestly from playing it those days it looks like ToF has more repeatable activates compared to genshin even later into the game, mostly the mmo aspecs that genshin lack, and yes as mediocre as the pvp is atleast THERE IS SOMETHING rather than genshin lack of anything to do.
The worst about genshin is the fact even after the endless artifact farm (which is basically the only thing left to do late game other than maybe build new characters) is that you literally have nowhere to use your strong characters on other than a 1 time every couple weeks on the abyss, thats it.
@@ronalddonais4164 Repeteable activities such as? Because there are none outside of what i've written. World bosses are timegated as weekly bosses in genshin, literally the same amount of timegating (3 a week to get rewards) hey at least they don't consume resin. I dunno if you feel like ToF has hard content but to me it feels easy af as Genshin and i'm not spending anything in both games
@@Vazmezvez Mostly the fact you can actually do activites without resin and you still get something out of them (support points, which can buy some useful items) so its still kind of fun, also world bosses drops on ToF are more exicting than genshin as you can even get SSRs out of them while genshin the most exiciting thing you can get is a weapon billet...
Also the idea of mmo raids and stuff with bosses where you need to have comps to win is way more repeatable content then whatever genshin has, of course assuming the game difficulty scales up as idk how late game difficulty is going to be (if you can just destroy everything solo then that would be kinda boring), once again my biggest complaint about genshin is that you spend the entire game building your characters and then at the end when they're super powerful you have nowhere to actually use them, and mind you i use mostly c0 5 stars with either 4 star or 5 star R1 weapons, so its not like im a mega whale that has everything c6r5 and now is complaining that everything is too easy (in fact exactly due to that problem i see going for a maxed character like that a complete waste of time and money).
Like of course genshin is way more polished of a game and better overall but i ive really been liking ToF for its good points (and yes the game does have a lot of flaws too which need to be fixed for it to become better).
@@ronalddonais4164 agree..there s a lot meaningful things to do in tof, even u can get 1 pull from daily activity alone (golden nucleus) and some lucky stuff from holographic person inside the box (dr claire thingy). the pity wont reset on ssr pull, so u can still get ur hard pity. genshin s way too stingy..im AR 60 having meta chars with BiS. spend some real money there. 4 daily activies for like 60 freemogems, lul..
Tower of Fantasy is not called tower of Theft because it is a derivative work.
It is called this way because they used literally stolen assets from Genshin Impact and Honkai ( 3d models etc.. ) while also stealing their reviews via bots. We are not talking about taking inspiration from X there, we are talking about stealing X and selling it saying it's yours.
@@keonminlee3792 u literally did not read
That sucks man, and it's wrong too, but.. It do be China. And they made valid use of those assets... And i do kinda dislike genshin. Still sucks they did it tho.
And the game still sucks.
league did the same and is the best moba for 10 years
i like ToF, genshin is way better.. if you like solo games
@@Phantom-zz3jq I am curious, how did League steal anything?
If you also played the game and noticed. There's ALOT of references or literal copies from borderlands 3 and 2. One of the ruins literally had the same statues and the interior plant life of eridian tombs. The small junkie mobs look the same as borderlands psychos and midgets. The locker model is the exact same in borderlands.
One of the things Ive noticed is that outside one of the early ruins had the exact same scenery as in horizon zero dawn (it's the ruin where you went into a machine cave and you have to fight fire spitting machine boss)
This is what I actually noticed first when I ignored the GI stuff (obviously) because I'm a huge fan of Borderlands games
I think Tower of Fantasy will be tested when Genshin's 3.0 Update drops if it can sustain most of it's current playerbase after it then it'll do fine.
But I'm more excited about Wuthering Waves which will probably be the first true competition to Genshin.
Yessss ! Can trust kuro games to have atleast some originality
@@jhkuroski My dude, ever heard of the these Dota & FF14.
Have y'all seen 3.0? Its the same formula every time. No end game, just same thing over and over. Collect chests, collect oculis, open statues and teleporters.
Thats all the game has to offer besides the story. Ive been playing since week 1 of GI, i used to defend this game, but come on guys its getting ridiculous. If you dont see this by now, ya'll either new players, or ya'll blind.
EDIT: Seems I triggered a lot of people in the comments lol. Typical Genshin fandom, one more negative thing about the game is the fandom's toxicity. Here, let me elaborate about my thoughts.
*I DO NOT HATE GENSHIN, I STILL PLAY TO THIS DAY AND ENJOY THE STORYTELLING*
Im just saying the game has flaws, and it's meant to be taken as a casual game. What Im saying is if you're coming in expecting anything to change in 3.0, it won't. It will stay EXACTLY how it is and that's fine. If you're fine logging in and burning resin and get an hr or two of playtime a day, then good GI's the game for you.
@@SlaineReigns No, because Genshin know what it is wanting to be, keeping its formula that work, if it ain't broke don't fix it. And also it isn't exactly a cheap game to maintaince either, Genshin is actually one of the most expensive game to develop, right under star Citizen and above Cyberpunk 2077.
@@SlaineReigns That's what people want if they wanted to be able to endlessly grind they would play games like Lost Ark I've been playing this game from day 1 aswell ever since Honkai days really while people complain about not having enough end game content it also helps in not burning out from the game as fast, Genshin doesn't do a lot of things that people want but it has ended up making the game last longer.
There's a huge difference between taking heavy inspiration from another game, copying another game, and outright stealing assets from another game.
Fortnite.
You mean every moba ever?
Thank you for being calm and objective about this. Tectone's video was so obnoxious whenever the guy said "Genshin is better". He got so pissed when that was said. Like, just because a game is better than another doesn't mean it doesn't have issues that need to be fixed. Thank you for also acknowledging that it's not just this guy that's biased, but he's explaining the biased views of the Chinese market that is obsessed with Genshin. Honestly I was so scared starting this video that'd it'd be a repeat of "genshin is so bad, why is he praising it so much?" like Teccy's video. As much as I like to watch Teccy now and then, I've just grown so tired of hearing him complain so much about the "lack of content" in the game, then continue to dump thousands of dollars on it to c6 a character for himself, then pour more money into it on other people's accounts as well.
Excuse me, don't compare Tower of Fantasy to Genshin. Genshin did everything from their own asset modeled based on popular games. Tower of Fantasy is clearly just straight up stealing everything. Not just Honkai or Genshin. No Man's Sky, FF14, DMC, etc.
2:30 Is not that the CN reviewers are savage is that Mihoyo fucked up the Anniversary so badly that both the CN and Global community went on a rampage, it took them two Versions to regain that score and it used to be way higher
Lets riot and revive the demon lord Qiqi again on upcoming 2nd anniv if they screw it up again _muehehehe...._
Whoever said Genshin has no content...
Genshin has no content because it is a casual game,the game itself target casual player,if you're a genshin content creator complain about no endgame content that a you problem ,why not play other game while also play genshin?. glad genshin is not for hardcore player,I rather spend 30 minutes than spend 3-4 hours doing thing that will eventually get boring,there are many people that has thing to do irl don't have much time to play, don't even bring "well they can just make it optional endgame content" no,if you think the genshin playerbase will happy with the endgame content that only give mora and exp then you're new. I played alot of pvp game and yeah it fun at first but week later it just boring because happen to every game,doing same thing will get you bored. If you find it fun,you just love winning or try to be the best player.
Tof isn't any better than genshin,in fact,they can't even comparable,one game is mmo and one is rpg,one game focus on multiplayer,one game focus on single player but if we talking about overall rating,genshin over tof
I hope he don't play genshin because he is just like another tectone
Don't forget pc player has more advantage over mobile player in pvp or battle royale.
I think lot's of people are unhappy with TOF straight up stealing assets from other games like honkai impact, while genshin borrows heavily from BOTW at the beginning, it never direct stole any assets from BOTW that I know of.
Genshin hater still coping hard anyway
ToF still has a “repurposed” honkai chip in their game. It even has the term valkyrja on it, that’s what honkai call their units
Even though i think Genshin is overrated i completely disagree on genshin being derivative of BotW. I think BotW just set the standard for this genre. So i see it more like a new mmo adapting core features of the mmo genre which imo is totally different than stealing assets like weapons and characters or trailers.
yeah this. botw had an emtpy as fuk world and ton's of useless item's while genshin has stuff to actually kill while u farm for food/stone's/daily's
Genshin would be a good game if it just a derivation from BotW. Right now it doesn't know what it wants to be. It's making you do chore of a mobile game the same way you do daily in an MMO.
@@DuoMaxwellDS Genshin is a single player game, so basically a story driven game, all other activities in game is to make your character stronger to progress with the story, i've seen a lot of people can't progress because they have bad artifacts and can't fight Childe at all, some even can't do ascension domain
@@mayuri206 what do you mean Empty world.. there's a lot in that game world. animals to hunt, korok puzzles, monster camps, the only thing lacking is the amount of towns and people.. but it makes sense because it's 100 years after basically an Apocalypse. lots of stuff is still in ruins. and they are still rebuilding.
@@ghoulchan7525 sorry lifting a rock in the middle of no where 10 minutes away from another said rock (or anything else to do) for useless seed's isnt "alot to do"
Since i like having my own character rather than using a prémade one, tof got my attention more than genshin, but in general, tof being launched is a great news, after all, genshin devs will no longer feel the freedom to mess up on events like how they did at the anniversary since they have a direct competition now.
"direct competition" my brother in Christ, ToF couldn't even compete with them in their main market (china) . What level of cope do you gotta be on to think it'll compete with it when it couldn't even faze Hoyo in their primary market lmao I do agree genshin needs some proper competition but ToF isn't it.
can you answer something to me :o
i like the character customization too and the game look very pretty.
but similar to genshin you have this initial character but you will probably end up playing with the gacha characters.
So you can customize your character but will it even be useful in the end since you will have to play with other characters in the end.
Unless you can also go on and customize the gacha characters but that wouldnt make a lot of sense, i can only imagine it being some outfits that you can change, and maybe customizing the colors of the outfits. But still you wouldnt be able to change their face, height, gender stuff like that so.. i still cant understand whats the point, is the character customization just for you to create a character that will be just for display when you are walking on the cities and talking to other players, and then you change to the actual good characters for dungeons/boss fights? I still didnt start the game because of this xd
@@SeaSerpentLevi as far as i noticed the gacha characters offer minor benefits that might or not help you depending on your playstyle, and the gacha is more for the weapons since you automatically get the weapon onwer's skin alongside it, not to mention that when you use a "golden shot" as they call, you also receive an currency named Dark gold, with enough dark gold, you can buy cores for the sr and ssr weapons you already own and upgrade then without having to rely purelly on luck, not to mention that you get an additional skin for an ssr character and its weapon when you get three cores for its weapon
@@justsomeguy727 That's just in china. Every region or country has a different number one game. Genshin isn't number 1 in my country.
@@SeaSerpentLevi short answer: The gacha characters are just optional skins. Medium length answer; think genshin, Diluc for example, in this game you’d get him and his weapon together but you can use them separately. You can use his weapon with your character, use his weapon with his character, or use his character with a different weapon.
There are things that I really like about tower of fantasy. Like being able to stick with the character I made or like for all weapons. Your character has a voice. The way limited banners roll over, the mmo aspects like group finding and world bosses.
But in all other aspects Genshin is superior. Better story, waaay better music, more interesting combat with elemental combos and reactions, and overall much better polish and quality. It would be an easy 9/10 if not for the gacha for me.
Oh trust me... (former whale and semi-metaslave speaking) Those elemental combos get old and uninspired quickly, nevermind being unbalanced and poorly used in practice at content that's worth some brain power. It's somewhat similar to Anthem's elemental combos but at least Anthem let you carry 2 non-useless sub-skills and movement differences/style were discernable. The enemy lineup and AI is mostly to blame too. Decently fun combat content is still just the regular enemies with boosted damage and HP pools.
I agree Genshin has much better "form" but it really lacks in (and distracts from the) "function". It oddly feels like a less-coomer, more family-friendly version of: "Only here because giant anime titties" (even though I love such content very much lol) and those who don't buy into that say the old classic, "Not paying & praising just because of that. That's an insult to my intelligence".
Reactions are a fun concept of the "now that I've seen it, this was inevitable" variety, but at the end of the day, the only interesting ones are geo shields, superconduct, swirl, and freeze. The rest are just more damage and they're done, and they're not even balanced, with pyro reactions scaling off character stats, and electro doing its own thing.
GI couldn't even be bothered to make every charged attack unique or give them a dash attack. It's like they gave Jean hers which was perfect for an anemo that can throw people around, then decided that was enough.
Finally, I can say with certainty they had no idea how to make an engaging combat system. The list of problems is exhaustive, but I'll just say one example is they introduced corrosion because they realized they fucked up the way shields work.
Coming from ToF to GI in terms of combat I felt the difference immediately. I prefer GI storywise but ToF made fights fun again with the combos and fight mechanics. Or maybe I'm just bored with GI overworld and abyss. Not sure how ToF will hold up though. I can see myself getting bored as well as an f2p cause I don't care for the story in ToF, and powercreep hits so hard in ToF.
Didn't play Genshin, so my take on ToF is i actually enjoyed it more than i thought, maybe due to its MMO aspect. This works well as a replacement from PSO: NGS from its anime style, combat, meeting people on the field, and exploration on open world. Maybe NGS got some of more unique weapon and fast combat, and overall better customization and looks. But can't stand those 100gb space, especially on my 500gb ssd laptop lol.
But yeah, the combat on ToF is pretty fun once you know that they have dodge attack combo, incorporate it with their aerial attacks and hold button attacks, there's quite a lot that you can do, so definitely not just spamming LMB.
And the ability to stick to your own character is also a nice point, since imo while the 3d model of ToF looks better than Genshin proportion wise, the character design itself is less...memorable. While most of them looks cool, it feels like a "bland" coolness. It feels like the established characters are presets made by people while they are thinking "let's make a cool looking character". So of course they looks good, but it stops there. Some of them not even really fit the sci-fi theme. The best looking and most unique one that also fits the theme i think is Shiro (the chakram cat girl). Unique hairstyle, good colors, good combination of base suit and outerwear, fit the sci-fi theme a lot.
So due to this issue that i personally have, i'm glad that i can stick with my own presets. I'm not saying that i can design character better than them, and i also not saying that my presets are better than every single one of them. But since i feel most of them feels like presets anyway, it'd be better for me to just use my own.
Can agree genshin won in story.
But for combat a big no. Once you reach true endgame in genshin, all you do is press 2 skill and everything got deleted. Very boring.
Meanwhile on ToF you still actually do the battle.
Why cant some people understand that genshin is a casual story driven game in its core? if you find the game boring then its probably that you dont like the story. Simply stop playing and move on at that point.
the reason i stopped playing genshin is mainly just unskippable dialog when u dont care about this quest story and are just trying to play the game, or get to and beat the quests needed to start the event, main story i really liked but the random quests i didnt and just wanted to continue playing the game but being forced to wait what felt like half and hour or more in total for each dialog for the quest just to gather or kill something which takes like 2 minutes just to be back into a long dialog just killed the game for me, expecially since if u stop playing for a bit and need to rush the story todo the events you either skip the event to not rush the story or u rush the story just todo the event
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YEAH.. genshin is more of a relax game..like I just want to explore the beautiful scenery. the elemental reactions are cool too. The story in game can be hit or miss but the lore behind it is very deep. If Tower of fantasy is doing good then its good for them.
people gets annoyed when the two games are always being compared when they dont know that the devs of TOF actually proudly announced in the past that they are "the genshin killer".
Yeah the story is the reason I'm still playing the game. Also combat just like doing random bullshit go>meta comps.
@@moonpig660 In short, you do not enjoy the story and you just want gameplay when Genshin is all about the lore. I guess it make sense why you stop playing. That is what the game is all about lol.
All what he says about the copies is totally truth, even people copy from other people all the time. Thats How you get your personality after years. No one was born with his/her own personality. Same works with the games. No game in 2020 is totally original. But they can always improve.
I think Satoru Iwata explained this on one of his lectures why game mechanics are not copyrightable, but gaming assets, characters, etc. are.
Imitation is human nature. It’s how we learn and grow. Brings me back to my freshman Psych class:)
There's no shame in copying or taking inspiration. There is however in stealing and theft. That's simply why the game failed in China. The buggy experience of the game didn't help too.
There was huge debate on if Genshin is copying Zelda when Genshin first lunches in China, and actually people were on Zelda side. However with time pass by and more patch released, it looks less likely a direct copy but same graphic theme
There was no debate. Gamers hate Genshin, some Chinese gamers even broke their ps in a sony conversion after a ps executive said he's looking forward to the release of Genshin. But gamers are the minority, most ppl in china(aka. normies) still think spending money buying games is stupid when they could download games from the app store for free.
@@Lutasiren this is based, most gamers in China don’t want to buy a game, they want to pay for a game when they think it worths their money.
@@Lutasiren that was a hired ploy from tencent/perfect world whoever scummy it was to play dirty in hopes of swaying public opinion about genshin. It worked for a while, until people realized BoTW wasn't even on PS4
@@Lutasiren too bad genshin isn't a game tho, its art.
@Green Mosaic the lack of polish still clear to people, dont even need that
I've been living in China for 7 years. Even though they make a ton of mobile games, almost all of them are monetized really fairly. There is "lootbox" legislation; for instance in hearthstone you just buy dust directly instead of buying card packs. They honestly make some pretty damn good games even with limited resources and subject to censorship. Even if they want to export a game overseas, it still has to pass some censors, who are nearly all 70 year old out of touch hyper-conservative boomers. They got around this with Honor of Kings by outsourcing some of the team to foreigners when they realeased Arena of Valor as it's counterpart in 2017. They just now finally managed to get Honor of Kings in its full form into open beta in a few developing countries (Mexico, Turkey, Brazil). It's a really good game with non-predatory non-p2w monetization. If they can lift the laws about censorship of exported games, there could be some great games coming out of China eventually. But things are going toward China being more and more like North Korea and less and less free since Papa bear eliminated term limits and implied he was gonna be big papa for life.
Conservatism is the only thing saving you from being a slave in a rice paddy.
Emperor Pooh.
+50 social credit score
Remember tiananmen square
Thanks for the insight!
Yeah China still has a long way to go, when it comes to things like video games and other services.
In China, most people play mobile games or computer games, and there are sometimes squabbles about monetization of games, but most people are used to this payment model.
Like a good obeying communist.
Don't follow ToF but I was wondering why Keching has a bow and how there are a dozen people attacking the pyro regivine.
Lmaooooo
It's an mmo with character creation so people made characters, in the gacha you roll weapons, the characters that come alongside them are almost fully cosmetic, plant thing is a world boss you can do with anybody who is in your current channel.
To be fair, this "ToF regivine" is based on Alura-Une, because inside this big flower is a grown naked woman (but ofc theres no waist or anything beolow waist and also no nipples).
But yeah why make this creature based on mythology (i think its a yokai? dont remember) literally in flames to makes this comaprasent? They are asking to be compared at this point.
@@Bongyes Probably because Alura-Une is normally potrayed in a red flower so flame element fits the most. There is no wood/grass element so that would've probably been the next best alternative. Fire has a rather tight bond with the earth element so plants and fire, from an asthetic and mythological(?) standpoint does make sense. Ice and volt, the other two elements (there was a fourth I believe but I can't remember) don't fit. Personally I feel putting her in flames is the most logical thing to do because there's multiple reasons for doing so. Making her throw around ice or lightning bolts screams "we wanted a plant as well but didn't want to copy it from GI". But that's just me.
@@모리스-b9y well theres also "physical element" Or nonelement that flower could do, but yeah lets be honest they are running out of ideas pretty fast...
The thing to remember about China and its most popular stuff is, usually a running thing or a long series, an example for games: Gujian 3 is the only one available to steam with limited translation, Sword fairy 7 is the same and is limited with English translation for even text, the systems they use may be different in looks or some may have certain elements added in that are not regularly used but are not uncommon. In fact one of the longest running Manhua is on it's 5-7 series (Each follow a different protagonist in the same universe usually thousands of years later) and has a very distinct are style, and it's translation to English is so slow that they leave it behind to work on the next one before even completing a series, basically spoiling everything and killing momentum. To admit, one series was rather unique, but outside that, the Wu Shu genre is so stagnant and repetitive there is a good chance you can predict an entire series once you read enough of them, and the good ones eventually drop off due to having to keep it going, thus worse carbon copies with the same tropes and power levels and names sprout up. It is a constant problem and it very quickly becomes a cycle of repeat and reuse. Korea is having this issue with is Manhwa industry, the series Solo Leveling was so popular and well received that is birthed dozens of others using the same powers, art style, hair cuts, a copy paste of the Main Character in terms of looks or skills, the same father is dead, mom is sick, sister is pretty and in debt with medical bills. The Full dive VRMMO genre is having the same problem in Korea, basically making worse versions of the same one that got popular. An earlier for of this would be the Black Butler craze, after it was published and got an anime, in which lots of suggestive BL (Boy Love) was in it, with a dark theme, an explosion of them came out betting more intense with their BL, even creating a genre for it. The author for Black Butler admitted she wanted to make a BL manga but didn't think it would sell well, considering the demographic for manga/anime, but she did pave the way for it. Which the BL genre fell into it's own pit of "it's practically softcore hentai with the junk blurred out," and it lost popularity for a while. Which points to a problem of people cashing in on a popular idea and people buying into it but in reality they had no idea what to do, much like the isekai genre, nothing but trash and pale imitations until you wanna gouge your eyes out. Unlike something like Berserk which no one could replicate.
"If you're gonna come at the king, you better not miss."
Love it!!!! 🙃🙃💯💯💖💝💝
“If you strike at the king and miss, it’s your head on the chopping block”
Bruh chill out with the Neckbeard energy - the quote is fine
The thing is, its Tencent behind Tower of fantasy. And when it comes to malicious business behavior, its NEVER coincidence whenever they are involved.
+maybe it is difficult for foreigner to get information, but do try to check out what happened between MHY and Tencent in the past, that will give you another perspective to look at ToF
Just like TenCent and Fortnite, they ruin everything they touch.
@@gamezonereactions8388 Isnt Fork knife one of the biggest games in the world? Its practically a household name.
@@F4EPhilosophy Never heard of it.
@@gamezonereactions8388 if only you could be so lucky to not know about Fortnite, sadly you do, because even my 90yr old grandma does and you can't be more out of touch than her.
If someone in China steals wow and make a better version with waifus, I would play it.
It's made in Japan and it's called Final Fantasy 14 :D
I the LoL mmo will be like original wow but with waifus
Disgusting
@@richardshiflett5181
GI is made in China. A better version of botw with waifus
@@richardshiflett5181 open world = genshin KEKW
Imagine comparing MMORPG open world and Single Player open world 💀 different genre bro.
(I play both btw and I shit on them both equally even plagiarism on ToF)
The two things I wish genshin had were dungeons and good co op. Not only do tower of fantasy does both well, they have co op mechanics and the ruins feels like mini Zelda dungeons with the puzzles. The deeper the game you go the mechanics gets better and dungeons becoming a bit deeper.
"I wish genshin was more like an MMO" is what you mean to say
@@justsomeguy727 Yes.
@@justsomeguy727 genshin is not even good lmao idk what the hype is. why would i watch someone play a single player game? ill just play it myself if i wanted to. plus tof is just genshin as an mmo. they just did better and smarter
@@justsomeguy727 Yeah, that sounds pretty dope tbh. No PvP, but being able to tackle much larger ruins than are currently in the game designed around having a few other people your level with you sounds like it'd be great.
Ngl, i expect ToF is what i imagine when Genshin first released. Im mmo fans, and my friend told me that there will be a new mmo with nice graphic and story called Genshin, turns out it s just Co-op multiplayer, but not MMO.
For me, ToF nailed their dungeon system and most, if not, all their co-op feature better than Genshin, while Genshin has better story and graphic.
for the combat, i prefer ToF.
Though i would agree that genshin IS in fact inspired by breath of the wild they did not at least take assets from it compared to ToF. I would have to say that people who are critical with ToF are valid, if you played honkai impact 3rd open world, the assets in genshin is more from that than breath of the wild, compared to ToF who has been evidently taking not only reviews but straight up an asset of one of mihoyos games for their trailers.
Yes copying BoTW game mechanics and making it a dream f2p game for weebs is more tolerable since even Iwata and other well known people of the industry said you can't copyright mechanics but assets you can. And in this case ToF casually ripping off Honkai is a big shame.
6:30 As far as I can remember, the devs do said that Genshin is heavily influenced by BOTW in terms of world exploration. But yeah, BOTW missed the chance of having a more popular game if only they consistently keep adding waifus.
@@dhanyl2725 Genshin has the backing of the CCP? Tell me more about it. Also, BOTW might not be a live-service game but they didn't really added waifus. But we do all know that Nintendo weren't the guys who're into that stuff.
They didn't miss out on anything.
Botw is a legend of zelda game. It did the job phenomenally. As well as basically started a new genre of aesthetics for video games.
Nintendo made a shit ton of money off of botw. But they also know what they want to make and make it very well.
They could probably make a better genshin impact if they wanted to make a waifu gacha game.
@@dhanyl2725 the ccp is backing genshin? Nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source??
@@dhanyl2725 genshin backed by ccp
Source: trust me bro
"BOTW missed the chance of having a more popular game" I don't think you realize that BOTW is the most selling game from Nintendo Switch, the game's good the way it is
Actually, remember the time when Warner Bros attempted to copyright a gaming MMO mechanic that irked so many developers?
That is becase Gaming is built upon the concept of building off of older, existing mechanics, and improving from there.
What is copyrightable, however, are the assets, characters, etc., as they are the 'art form' of gaming, the 'vehicle' to present the mechanics to the public.
So in essence, Genshin is inspired from BOTW, which takes inspiration to older RPG games, which also got inspiration from the Tabletop D&D games.
@@sarahwallace1103 That practice has been frowned upon by gaming devs globally, and the 'patent' mechanics is usually done by mostly American companies who have no idea how different gaming is from actual products.
Satoru Iwata once made a lecture on the topic and his biggest example is that on how the RPG genre evolved from getting inspired from D&D campaigns and its evolution that lead to giants like Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy series, and noted that the moment any of the mechanics are patented, the entire genre will fold on itself. In fact, we are seeing the evolution even till now.
Heck, whether you like it or note, the Gacha mechanic itself follows this philosophy.
Now, what happens to games where the mechanics got patented? They went stale. The genre was not innovating, until someone remade the same mechanic from scratch.
@@skybattler2624 A good example of a Game dying due to their parent company copyrighting/trademarking a game mechanic is Shadow of War and their Nemesis System. It could have changed how Single Player Games were made, but their Publisher decided that only they should have access to such a concept.
@Green Mosaic Unfortunately, to program a gaming mechanic requires a bit of code from older mechanic, which could potentially flip the patent over its head, or even causes some optimization issues
"I was one of the first one to use the SHURE SM7B"
Uhm.... Beatboxers used it for ages, Michael Jackson recorded songs on it, Podcasters used it for over 15 years...
This mic is around for ages and an industry staple. Also many Twitch streamers used it way before Asmon.
think you missed the "one of the" also why add beatboxers and recording studios when he is talking about streamers?
Asmons favorite game
I can agree
I wish
Facts
compared to the average gacha (no pity or pity at 300, rampant powercreep and content built around using only the new creep to be able to beat it) genshin is "cheap" by eastern standards, here in the west it became famous and since it's peoples 1st gacha they dont have the gacha experience to do a comparison of it with other gachas.
not that genshin isnt greedy, it is, but you can't say you need to spend money to beat its content. it is pay2simp not pay2win.
Pay2simp, not pay2win is such wise words.. I would say genshin is play2win.
not even pay2win, you can look for many streamer out there doing run with only 4 starter free units or even no pulling run till latest patch/endgame. If you cant control your desire to pull then thats a you problem
Genshin isn't cheap, bro. Considering how many F2P players actually dare to roll for weapon banner, and compare it with game like Honkai, Genshin is obviously not cheap. You can argue that there is no end game or PvP content so people don't need to spend, but an average spending in Genshin is still higher than other games out there like Arknight or Azur Lane. Heck even GBF people spent less and still get more than Genshin. I don't know what eastern standard here you're basing that from.
@@Anedime not saying the other gachas are unreachable to the west but you cant deny not even one of them has half the reach genshin does here; the meme of genshin being "babies 1st gacha" is widespread on the gacha community for a reason
@@DuoMaxwellDS I can only say a lot of people in china, easy beat the abyss 12-3 with complete F2P.
Just like my friend play genshin since it launch, he have around 16/24 5 star on his account without spend a dollar.
If you willing to spend half a hour everyday, to do the daily quest/abyss and event.
You can pull out a 5star character every 2 month, totally free.
If you want to F2P, spend your free gems wisely.
Only spend it for character you like or powerful.
Also there is not only the 5 star can beat the hardest content.
There is always have 4 star you can use .
4 star character are also very powerful too.
You don't need the greatest to beat the hardest in this game just play it casually
I have to disagree of when u said "if this wasn't a gacha, it would be a better game" cuz let's be honest, most of these games wouldn't even exist if they weren't gacha, cuz gacha is and was already a sub-category of games, it every gacha game took the gacha out of it it would be mostly an overwhelming amount of either RPG games or idle games/turn based games, I think the market would be over saturated, I think the gacha system kinda keeps players limited in a sense that they focus more on one or two games of that type, not to mention these companies have to make money, Genshin for example wouldn't be able to grow not even 10% of what it has if all the money came from cosmetics or something, which they barely have right now, it just doesn't work in the context of that game and many others, and I'll just bring up the good old argument that you can clear the good gacha games without paying a cent while also being quite powerful if u just play it regularly, u might never be at the level of a whale but like in Genshin's case it's not like u have to fight or compete against the whales, just focus on your own fun with what you have, it does feel better and more fulfilling when u get a character after saving for so long, or even the hyped waiting time for a rerun of a character that you've been wanting for so long, that's what creates so much media content and hype around genshin impact. Spending money just makes the game easier or more comfortable at times, it was never obligatory, only those that have money to spend on games spend it on them so it's no big deal.
Removing the gacha from gacha games is like turning a steaming pile of dog doodoo into a lukewarm pile of normal turd
Asmon has repeatedly said this whenever gachas were brought up, it was never about spending money on a videogame or how much an item/cosmetic costs. It's about spending money on it, and not getting what you want-- Gambling so to speak.
Also, if only the gacha system is what keeps a game afloat, then it may as well die tbh. I don't enjoy having RNGesus plowing me from behind with 99.7% success rate
I've played a little bit of ToF and a lot of Genshin. Genshin is a single-player experience that can do multiplayer if you don't look too hard at it, but ToF is supposed to be an MMO with gacha elements. I don't feel like ToF has enough to offer other than it being f2p. Meanwhile, Genshin feels more of a complete game that adds content every few weeks. Tower of Fantasy should have had a few more months in production to polish things up.
I used to think kickball was fun too, then I grew up and became an adult.
@@darianstarfrog Starfrog, hmm ok bruh.
Imagine you're a Genshin player. You've spent thousands of hours (and maybe even money) into the game. Why the HELL would you throw all that away to go play something that is practically the same game, only you'd have to start from scratch? It makes no sense.
I sometimes see Genshin players say that ToF is better because "there's stuff to do", or complaining about how stale Genshin is. Well of course - it's a brand new game. OF COURSE there's gonna be stuff to do. This is no different than when Genshin comes out with a new area. Everybody suddenly LOVES Genshin again.
People are forgetting that in a few months, no matter how good ToF is, you'll run out of areas to explore, monsters to kill, and bosses to fight. You'll be stuck waiting for content just like you do with Genshin. If you asked me to choose though, even if both of them released side by side, Genshin would still be the clear winner.
alright fanboy calm down. i can smell from a mile away that you havent tried tof at all and made an unfair assessment. it's good to weigh the pros and cons first of each game before u start spewing nonsense.
That's what i've been thinking too, people have been hit with severe recency bias and we'll only be able to see where it really stands in a few months once people have gone through most of the content.
Why because why would you waste ur time playing alone collecting chests every day 😒
What end game does gi have? All u do is get on for 5 mins for dailies and then unjust have abyss, that’s all the game offers 😂
@@darkvoidb9717 "endgame" is not a concern for people with social life and work. Every time I hear "endgame" I can see that fat little kid with pimples eating nuggies in his moms basement.
Is Asmon paying attention to the video? Tower of Fantasy is getting shit on because it's STEALING ASSETS not because it's a game made in the style of Genshin which was made in the style of BOTW. There's a huge difference to making a game in the same genre and literally stealing art, code, and reviews from other games.
Jesus fuck man.
He didn't play Genshin
Why are you getting so mad
Dude calm down it’s not that serious
Honkai*
As long as the Chinese community holds their own accountable when artists steal from foriegn artists and designers, then I see this as a good thing. Don't let theft even on a global scale go unpunished.
Just some quick correction from soomeone that reads Chinese, the download number of Tower of Fantasy was about 1.13 million, while Genshin had about 19 million downloads. The figures are the data from that one single platform only, ofc.
Dude , people need to know how good PGR is , from the story and gameplay to the music.
PGR to Honkai is what TOF to Genshin. Cheap clone.
@@0kaiKai i like both but PGR has better combat system than honkai
@@streliza3798 PGR combat is just Honkai combat with freaking zuma shoved in it.
10:53 there's a saying where I'm from: "Better well stolen than badly invented."
Tower of fantasy already came out for 2 months now in China , and it seems like most of the people is quiting the game for not being friendly saying the story is bad , endgame not good enough , you can hardly find people to fight bosses , too much hackers , cheats and bugs in the game , pretty much saying the game is pretty bad. But at last this is what a saw on the comments they give on the internet . Who knows ? Let’s see what the global server can do in 2 months . Give some more opinions to discuss
It's not 2 months. It came out 9 months ago in China lol.
Not too months but nine months bro , i think you got plenty of misinformation from those comments there .
seriously its so hard to people to enjoy both games? i do enjoy both and we need competition from both so both games can prosper and strive.
Gamers have nothing else to talk about
jokes on you, people here have narrow perspectives and believe their truths are facts so they step on other people's throats when they disagree
actually two games have many differences，and i think they are complementary
Just waiting until the day Asmon will play my beloved Jenshin
The point is that no game is going to compete with the polishing Genshin has, and even then Genshin has some quirks.
The way Tower of Fantaasy goes is *gasp* actually trying to do something different, being a game with a shared world like a mmo is a nice change of pace, the mobility of the game makes travelling not a big deal but it's fun anyway. And the combat isn't as atrocious as this video makes it look like, it's more like another Mihoyo game, Honkai Impact.
But yea, some aspects are lacking and the game is rough around the edges, most people won't look past that, but the ones that does are having great fun. I know we can't expect the game to have so many updates as genshin or even that the game lives as long tho.
I'd also say the game is so different from genshin that it should be seen on it's own light instead, exploration elements are similar to genshin but with all the artifacts it's actually closer to Zelda instead, and the combat is actually much better than genshin's, much closer to Honkai actually, although it's still pretty rough around the edges I'd say the game does have a lot of potential
Also, I'll say this once because I was talking about it with some friends, basically the game is not just way more generous than genshin, but even the gacha is actually cheaper and much more friendly...
Now seeing the game on it's own, despite being gacha it does seem pretty generous, gameplay is surprisingly fun, exploration is fine, although time locked content is pain, boss hunting is entertaining
@@joyeuse8524 game is generous since they want players to stay after the honeymoon phase
@@Gigi-zr6hp true, still doesn't change that quite a few of the mechanics are quite refreshing, even on the gacha side, like for example the fact that not only you have a guaranteed SSR at 80 every time but that after 120 pulls you will have enough to essentially select a dupe of any non limited SSR you might want or if you were doing limited pulls, even if you failed the GSSR it is just 40 more pulls to just grab it from the shop, I mean it's still a lot of pills but compared to other gacha games...
my impression after 5 days playing tower of fantasy :
1. the game is so buggy, i said buggy it's because it happened to me multiple times like suddenly sinking to the ground, throwing ball of the cliff with no reason, and whatever.
2. the server is so laggy, to the point where i walking alone i suddenly teleported to random places, or having my character teleported to location A, and my camera at location B. also fighting world boss in a party is not fun at all, the animation sucks, i cant even tell when where and what are the boss throwing at me. the perfect dodge that trigger some kind of time freezing somehow made my character stunned, paralized, or knocked back for no reason. skills sometime not properly triggered, delayed, or even not triggered at all.
3. the higher the level, the more "grindier" it become. i mean, it's not 100% bad, but as someone who played on the first day, i dont want to left behind by my friend in terms of character progression just because i worked on the day, and now it takes hours of playtime just for leveling from 30 to 33. if you play game from sunset to sunrise then maybe its not a problem, but for someone who can only play for 3-4 hours this is problem for me.
Every point was good except for the last. MMO's are all about grind.
@@runimcomingforyou.4505 no they really aren't
@@imtired927 You dont play chinese MMO's and it shows. This isn't a western MMO.
I'm pretty sure the last one was definitely intentional as MMO RPG usually revolves around grinding.
@@GregorianMG the last one is more like opinion, the time we spent in game could determine wheter we keep playing it or not, some people doesnt like the feeling of being left behind.
Genshin Impact never stole assets. Models they used were taken from Honkai Impact which was the game they created before Genshin Impact.
Tower of Fantasy probably should have not tried so hard to "copy" Genshin; you can see it in its UI. When copying a game that has a lot of acclaim, it will inevitably be compared to it, and a lot of its production values (graphical and sound) just look very cheap in comparison. I think it should have just tried to be its own thing, it could have still had waifus and anime but with a very different look and feel.
the studio called it the genshin killer. They wanted it compared
Since when is genshin acclaimed lmaooo
@Hiddel Subbeldees Devs said it themselves they were inspired by BotW and based the visual and exploration aspect of it. They never denied it or hard copied assests from it. It never tried to be or replace BotW.
@@FatalityPWN It is an argument a lot of people (especially Zelda fanboys) who have never played Genshin will pin on it. I have spend $40 on the game (not even the price of a triple A title) and I have about 1000 hours in it, it does a lot to differentiate itself from BotW.
@Hiddel Subbeldees It's inspired, and stands well on its own. It's clearly crafted with passion and attention to detail - from visual design to music and story, it's all outstanding. ToF doesn't come anywhere close.
As a player that played on ToF CN Version since the Release. I do agree everything that asmon said. The game is pretty dead on CN. Imagine playing the game till Max Level and my server only have 150 - 300 ~ player per day. Hopefully they learn their lesson. atleast make it polish.
About the social credit things. Yes that shit is real. The register need your own Identification card to play it. That's the reason why only 10ish million downloaded.
Sorry my English kinda suck :(
"If you're paying for armor and you're mad cuz someone else got it for free, I don't care... It's funny to me" ... Didn't he just say in the video about adblocking that if someone pulls an immoral thing on you (in this case the gacha system), that doesn't justify you to do an immoral thing to them back (in this case breaking the system to get stuff for free)? ... Double standard again I see...
This comment makes no sense
@@bigdanbilzan Care to explain why?... I can perhaps clarify...
Asmon said it was funny when a whale got mad at a freebie getting something good for free was funny, how does that at all relate to immorality or ad blocking?
@@bigdanbilzan He specifically said in a video titled "about gacha", that he agrees with the "Linus tech tips" opinion that if you're using an AdBlock, it's the same as piracy. Which is dumb in and of itself, but that's not the point... He said that he sees no moral argument for using an AdBlock. While he admitted that google does all sorts of immoral shit, like stealing your data, that doesn't justify you using an AdBlock. > Immoral thing done to you doesn't justify you doing immoralů things. If he doesn't find it funny using an AdBlock and laughs at the "youtube premium" users for being dumb, why is he finding it funny when the by principal same thing happens in gacha games? ... You could make an argument that YT premium members don't complain about Adblock users but I don't think that really matters. Or would his behavior change if they did complain? ... The reason the whales were complaining wasn't because they paid for something someone got for free, but because those accounts that did abuse the game system were not punished.
Genshin impact is simply way WAYYY more polished in almost every aspect except multiplayer than tower of fantasy. RUclips videos sometimes make these two seem comparable, but they really are not.
Of course because tof is an mmo, even this seems like to be a joke not sure if we cant trust this company about it
Genshin has also been out for way longer keep that in mind.
@@hououinkyouma6063 just because it's an MMO, it shouldn't get a pass for being unpolished and mediocre..
@@hua.. September already purified this game from most of the f2p, only ones who remain are whales and people who think this game as a future when a single cheat engine use can't even be detected by them :)
The game was so hyped, many popular streamer was sponsored by it and advertised it. And I gotta admit, I was excited too until I realized I couldn’t play it because experiences of many crashing and facing some issues. I have waited for this game just to see this bad result. Climbing in ladder, multiple servers/each regions being separated into north and south instead a whole, cant play when its queue/maintenance, crashing, not playable in certan devices, bugs at first launch, the use of controller, had to restart after downloading because of launch issue, poor storyline, no tutorial about diff elements (which is immuned and res to counter), subtitles being delay to the voiceover, went to beginning again in the repetitive story quest when log-in diff servers, third-party old bug problem, etc. Damn, so many bruh. The game has so many potential but was too rush. I thought it will be first released a long while but instead, launching it in aug 11.
I heavily disagree on "its funny" when sth that is advertized to be limited is given for free. I get the logic of - you have a ton of money so shut up. But realistically, what you are normalizing is called - a scam. If you tell people they have to pay to receive something and the day after give it out for free - it is a definition of false advertisiment and a scam. Additionally, shaming people for spending money for games is very oldschool. It is a hobby as any other, by this logic people should also not go out drinking or buy a book as it is just a hobby. I never whaled in my life, but I really am tired of this oldschool perspective that spending money on a game is wrong, especially from streamer and youtubers who mostly live off the fact that us watching them is our hobby and many people support them financially too...are they fools for it? I really hope he can rething his position on this.
@Zahdorfi I can assure you I am not a fool. I am a 28yo lawyer with a pretty good salary and I am honestly pretty tired to be told by people who make their money off being "entertainers" and currently playing gatcha games "ironically" (but also it becoming unironically their main source of income) that spending my money on gatcha is wrong. Is it an unhealthy spending habit that you have to be wary of and manage it carefully? YES. Is is any worse than buying every year a new phone to keep up with the trend, coz everyone else does so? NO. If people wanna fight uneahlthy spending habits, there are ton of them - from starbusck coffee, via netflix to Apple products. Yet nobody call out those unehalthy spending habits. Generally what I am trying to say and you are trying to ignore is, if you have money and a brain you should be able to pick your uneahtlyh spending habit. If you dont, sorry that gatcha got you..but I honestly believe you d be broke sooner or later anyway..so...sorry not sorry.
Genshin also review botted and abused the Google play system to delete reviews but people love to ignore that because it's popular
It's #1 because the government is friends with the creators. They make anything #1 that will bring most profits.
Meanwhile Mihoyo wanting to move to Singapore...
@@ziroh4122 and I remember that they will have a branch in toronto (or in North America)
@@jiro7990 It's Montreal iirc.
@@zhongtcheng3407 I forgot where they were building it but thank you for that.
Genshin's art style was perhaps slightly derivative of both and some of their animations are derivative of nier and dmc but ToF has a ton of motifs and attack animations and character designs that border on IP theft and cheap asset flips.
Well i don't see any diference in both cases maybe i need some examples to make my own comparissons now pls
Genshin’s attack patterns and strings also have fluidity in them and weight, when using a claymore you can almost feel the weight of the sword being lugged around but for ToF it’s like a weightless toy weapon.
The only thing Genshin "copied" from BoTW was the "open world". I don't know why Nintendo kids keep saying that Genshin "stole" some assets from BoTW when HONKAI IMPACT exists?. Like BoTW DID NOT invent the open world, Genshin took some inspiration but that's about it. The rest is from Honkai, from story to characters etc.
Aranaras are copy-pasted from Koroks of Zelda.
@@Ailyph It's inspired by real world Hinduism? Study history first. You're acting like Zelda made everything
The history behind Genshin Impact is wild. Originally Genshin was supposed to be distributed by one of the major games distributors in China. The developers and the distributor had a falling out which led to Genshin deciding to do its own launch on all platforms. Everyone expected it to fail. This distributor that shall not be named even tried to rally the Chinese antis against the game which is why you see Genshin have 200 million negative reviews. But it turns out that you can't keep a good game down and the game succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams, to the point where the distributor mentioned tried to extend an olive branch to (then miHoYo) and was rebuffed. This created armies for and against Genshin Impact and now big money is trying to create the Genshin killer, much like how companies tried to make WoW killers in the past.
Please tell the distributor's name, I'm very interested
Thank you!
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp It's Tencent. They tried to buy Mihoyo and they refused. Ever since then tencent has been trying to take down Mihoyo.
@@crash10310 i thought so, but doubted
Thanks for clarification!
Sure genshin took some ideas from Botw but genshin made their own assets as opposed to TOF stealing assets from games. Thats the difference.
One thing the none Chinese don't know is that the developer of ToF is infamous in China for making a lot rip off and low quality games before, so most of Chinese players dont buy it since the beginning.
While lot of good China company especially hoyoverse and yostar manage to make their place in the global industry using lot of effort and passion, the bigest one just go and pull something half quality like this.
No wonder those Chinese didn't really excite about this kind of game.
I play Arknights and Genshin and watching several upcoming game and it ToF really stand out as the one with poorest presentation among them
To be fair, all of those games he listed at the beginning of the video that had more downloads than Tower have all been out for a year at minimum
Why do people get upset when a game has things that are similar.
I understand that something like character design is something that shouldn't be copied, but something like movements and weapons, quite seriously, always look a little similar, or am I seeing it wrong ?
selective hate
lol vs dota
cs vs valorant
same concept
Yeah i don't know what's so wrong about theft
@@-.Meylin.- its the same with cars why do people love difrent cars they are all the same but they are not the same. Why?
To be fair, most people are still in a honeymoon phase with TOF right now. People are willing to ignore the cracks in the foundation to a large extent because they haven't been massively effected by the issues. Give it a couple more weeks when everyone has collected all the in game pulls, they've explored the map fully, and their is no real reason to be doing much of anything in the game. Loot from chests in general at this point is just trash. Literally we're collecting trash level white items most of the time that at best only have a use in mass expenditure like the white level weapon xp batteries. TOF has exactly the same problem built into the game that most of these gotcha games have built in. The game is only as fun and viable until you reach the end of the campaign in most cases and then it's a matter of how much money you're willing to pump into the game. When the majority of the player base hits that point is when people at large are going to drop it virtually over night.
Same problem with genshin and I dont see you complaining about it, it's literally the same problem every gacha game has... Stop pretending gacha games die from one day to another, that's a lie and you know it. People will keep playing it no matter what.
@@Cevanth he adressed whale issues overspending and wonder why they have no content to clear anymore yes but ultimately all players hit endgame in these gacha games very fast w the same dailys chore and waiting for new patches updates lmao 😂
That's so weird, I've seen people say that the rewards from chests are very good and one chest can almost give you one pull?? I'm so confused when it comes to this game 😭
@@pippo264 He is just biased, the game is worth and has a time wall to prevent rush. Later 2.0 will improve even more the game and you can see how they're actually trying to have community spots like racing, etc.. they'r not only implementing pve/pvp content.
Just check 2.2 on CN server and you'll see they listen and care
Absolutely.
As a day 1 genshin player, genshin's biggest issue is simply it being a gacha game. It is very clearly designed as a single player, story focused game, with continual story & world expansions. but since the game is a gacha game, it has dailies that demand you to be logging on if you want to get the premium currency for your pulls (or you have to swipe). but since the game is designed as a single player game, it's not designed with an endgame loop. and that's why people get burned out and disappointed. the game has good combat, but with no endgame loop, there's not much to be doing that facilitates playing the game (from a combat perspective). and if you don't care about the story, you're just sitting on your ass doing the same dailies and artifact grinding.
People who are playing the game for combat reasons will say the game has no content, is dead and sucks. people who are playing for world exploration and story are not, because those are what the devs are focusing on.
What I find stupid is are these hardcore gamer don't have other game to play and just genshin? If they want to spend 6 hours in a game then I have nothing to say,genshin when it launched was never meant for hardcore but casual player. The game does not require you to spend 2 hours. Which is a good thing,alot of adult have a job, teen-ager has school soon,they have thing to do and not spend hours into a game,coop in genshin can sometime be fun too (not with stranger,most of the time)
Agreed. The one thing that there's a massive discrepancy between the game being f2p-casual-friendly where it's expected that you log on to do content then log off when you run out of content... which in an ideal world is the best way to enjoy the game... but in order to bridge the gap between free to play and gatcha content, you have to do a metric fucktonne of resource management and do Dailies to farm the Gatcha currency.
The thing is the story isn't even that great. They only know how to tell the lore but fail to show it. Most missions are just go here, talk to this NPC and do that. When things go south, they also don't seem urgent and are relaxed as per usual.
Combat is ok at best. There isn't even a dedicated dodge button, instead it's just a band-aid dash. There's also no depth in the combat eg. No counters, parries, perfect dodges etc.
Yes, the game is mostly story focused but then why put a hellish artifact grind if you're not gonna expand on endgame content?
@@kamanira Issue is, Honkai can easily focus on that as they have little budget alloted on exploration as it isn't as vast as that in Genshin (and Hoyoverse has a game specific for that style called Star Rail, which seems to be their next big budget game).
Meanwhile, Genshin has different stats that makes the Devs think Exploration should be a focus. Among AR55+ players, only 30% touch the Spiral Abyss, and among those 30%, only 15% do 36*, which is an odd metric.
By contrast, on a metric released during 2.5, only 60% of daily players have completely unlocked the first 4 islands of Inazuma, and the most common request they got is more maps, which also means more budget because map design and puzzle placement with such detail shown in game will guarrantee to detail any plans for an endgame.
@@mleong75 but they increase bosses HP along with the story, so you need a decent artifact set to get through it
Killing Childe, cube bosses.... are not as long as killing Raiden
It's funny that a non Genshin player has an extremely far better take on Genshin then the content creators that focused on Genshin.
I can only think of tectone
@@AlexPerez-tt9ru mtashed
Tower of Fantasy's gameworld is supposed to be full of corruption EVERYWHERE, which is why the titular female character gets instantly corrupted when her repulsor or limiter or whatever they call the thing breaks. But you don't see any corruption in the gameworld at all. Instead what you see is green grass, blue sky, clear water, healthy animals, etc. Hell there are even a ton of raiders wandering around the gameworld. So how are there so many healthy human raiders if the world is so allegedly full of corruption? The game world does not match the setting or story in any capacity.
The only thing that indicates corruption is those restricted places where you get a notice that this place is corrupted.
On the other hand in Genshin, there was this place that was corrupted and the clouds and sky were purple the water was purple and there was purple smog around, and music became more ominous.
It certainly is lacking in term of developer passion and attention to details
@@mickbotcast dev team is probably 10 time more in genshin tho it didn't help that mmo cost more than single coop game to dev . Didn't say anything just budget of genshin is bullshit and cash genshin make is also insane didn't help at all .
@@Noaxid Doubt about the cost part, I think ToF cost is way lower when they can cut a lot of cost from using "borrow idea" strategy. The rest in template MMORPG that they used to build
@@Noaxid They shouldn't have announced their game as a genshin killer if they didn't have budget to do so
9:12 The first streamer to do a Sub-a-thon was actually DansGame and Ludwig is the one who 'stole' it, not the way you've portrayed it.
Same thing with BotW not being the first to have stamina, climbing, gliding, and other mechanics it had, but Genshin has always been called a BotW clone... So.
It did took 33 minutes to finally point out that ToF is an mmorpg while genshin is a single player rpg... on top of that with insanely horrible multi/coop that did not improve anyhow over 2 years
Yeah, true. ToF and GI have there + and -, because one have more mmo aspects and the other don't
And sorry for my dumb question- What game has not improved it's multi/coop over 2 years?
Stealing assets =/= taking a lot of inspiration from a game. I like how people say it's ironic for people to hate TOF, i mean it's blatant plagiarism. They're taking "Let me copy your homework" to another level. As someone who has a couple hundred of hours on Zelda BOTW, anyone who says Genshin Plagiarized zelda never actually played BOTW.
Anyone who says Genshin didnt blatantly copy BotW is clearly touched in the head
@Robin Sailo you joke but YES, they did exactly that! They saw BOTW and just decided to make the exact same thing, just because it could be an original thought doesn’t make it so. You know full well EXACTLY where they got their ideas from so shut up
@@offlineraided okay what did genshin blatantly copy from Breath of the wild other than climbing and gliding that is now basically a part of every open world game?
@Robin Sailo Aside from the gacha, character movesets, and the grinding Genshin open world exploration takes a lot of 'inspiration' from BOTW such as Genshin Oculi with BOTW's Kokoro seed, the same gliding, climbing, swimming, sprinting mechanics, and ruin puzzles.
Back then it's a huge thing because Genshin does not have a lot of content which makes the game lacking it's own identity and just looks like a BOTW clone. But as the game progresses, Genshin is slowly getting more original with the new stuffs they made. Although the open world exploration mechanics remains a straight copy from BOTW, other than that Genshin now has some originalities that differs itselfs to BOTW.
@@kaein2973 "what did genshin copy aside from the entire game, the mechanics, the code, the cell shaders?" Lolol you genshin paedos are so creepy
ToF stole assets from Honkai, animation from Honkai/ Punishing Gray Raven, and put into a rather empty world. In China where Genshin (well, global as well), Honkai and PGR are all so popular with big fanbase, it's clear why ToF got so much hate which it deserves.
TBH I would only see Wuthering Waves as a niche competitor for Genshin, then maybe Mihoyo will make a standalone APHO that can compete with both.
exactly, btw i'm also waiting for Wuthering Waves
I don't know about about PGR but Genshin and Honkai both have fully ripped off animations from DMC. Wuthering Waves had copy pasted texts and artifacts from Genshin in their beta as well. None of these companies or games are any better.
@@KHe4rtl3ss They are better in term of NOT advertising about these things, and invest a lot more into making proper games.
Honkai was much more polished even when it got first released, from the revenue of GGZ. Mihoyo was open about how they were inspired by DMC to make Honkai, as well as the obvious BotW- Genshin. ToF advertise themselves as "Genshin Killer" bruh by copying Genshin and Honkai. PGR didn't say anything about competing with Honkai even when it does, same with WW.
ToF just feels cheap tbh.
@@KHe4rtl3ss pretty sure mhy was a big fan of dmc that why they inspired it? Is inspired a bad thing now?
@Green Mosaic copy mean same thing inspire mean lookalike but not the same thing, esl.
Everything is derivative of something else. Literally nothing is entirely original.
Plagiarism is one thing, and should be condemned, but it's very clear that a lot of time and effort went into Tower of Fantasy, regardless of how much of their game may be derivative of other games in the genre. It's not like they stole source code and graphical assets. In fact, this is a large component of how we even end up with genres in the first place.
Tower of Fantasy has some concerning issues that should be criticized and should be addressed by the developers, but we really need to move beyond branding everything a rip off or clone of everything else. This nonsensical attitude goes back at least as far as Doom, Wolfenstein, and other similar games of the period that resulted in the birth of the FPS genre.
the different between "derivative" and "plagiarism" is not about how much the effort were putting in, is how much of that effort actually working out as a result.
@@Gachagoblin i like how you say "is not about how much the effort were putting in, is how much of that effort actually working out as a result." which means nothing since both of those statements just in the end mean "it's about how much effort they were putting in". lmao
end game genshin legit nothing to do you get on do dailys, resin gets used, do bp if you want. do a domain cry bc you get don't get a good artifact. Get off and repeat and for events you just wait till they stop gatekeeping the event and wait till you can do all in one go. all genshin is a story that has yet over the year to change resin system and rng system when it comes to farming domains.
27:40 yeah this... People says that theres no content on genshin when in reality meta player are only looking for endgame repeatable content like boss raids, dungeons, guilds etc. When the game literally tells you that it is a story base and the real content is the world, the story/lore, the music the characters which always updated every 6 weeks consistently... And the best example of this is the new 3.0 trailer which they show pure story on the trailer you can see the meta players are malding and lore player rejoicing very different reaction on that trailer.
Well actually content is the game as a whole. So the battle, story/lore, and world is a content. I played Genshin from day 1 and Genshin story is amazing but most of the content is the battle like abyss, domain, even leveling up you character require you to fight world boss. People enjoy the game differently so is also valid for meta player to actually complain about the lack of end game content. People like progression. I enjoyed both but genshin only fun for the first one or two week of the patch cause the new story (progression). People shit a lot about meta player but in reality they is the one who actually spent more time to play the game. Most meta player that I knew actually waifu player but they want to make their character good and that's why they went to become meta player. After playing so much, the excitement is gone. Abyss and bosses becoming so easy. The progressive of the lore is so slow. The mini event becoming a mundane tasks to do.
Tof failed because they advertised themselves as "genshin killer" and failed to achieve even half of what genshin is.
All hype comes from comparisons to genshin, not from the actual content. That's why it died so fast. No insane amount of artists, no theory crafters. Nothing to support the hype
Tencent coping hard because they can't buy Mihoyo lmao
@@Asm0sday yeah i remember that story
5:47 to whoever said "tower of time gates", you are now my best friend. You are not allowed to have any influence on this decision, we are friends
There is just no hock in ToF, I just see a worse Genshin and I already left Genshin
A lot of good takes after he watches the video here. Not just for ToF but in terms of how people view Genshin content.
I do feel ToF does provide that alternative to Genshin that people are seeking in some ways, specifically that when Genshin's content is dried up until the next update, people will play ToF's content and vice-versa.
Personally, I don't care if they stole from genshin and honkai because it takes the things I like from both and puts it in a very f2p-friendly package, and when your not lagging, the combat feels very nice.
i don't think about morals when playing a game. clone or not, if it's fun, i'll play it.
24:50 he got me there, i didnt play genshin in a while but after playing tower of fantasy for like 20 h, i patched genshin and now im playing genshin xD
I've tried playing genshin again after tof god i stop after 30 min imo open world is just fucking slow to play even if battle feels better when you spend 3/4 of the time in the open world it's just don't feels right
@@AndresLionheart no he got a point... Have you tried to fight the Ruin Serpent in Genshin? Tell it to my face that Genshin isn't intentionally making the fight slow.
@@AndresLionheart Oh okay? So You're mentioning about Open world exploration but not Battle? Now, again, tell it to my face that ToF's double air jump, free mounts, surf board are slower than Genshin's Glider and a fan gadget that boost 20% of your flying speed 👍
@@Noaxid You just not good lol.
@@Noobster474 I kill the ruin serpent fast in the abyss 2 straight in row as F2P with no 5 star weapons and mostly 4 stars characters lol. You just suck bro
The problem with the BOTW comparison is that all they had in common was, open world + climbing. Even then the climbing has been in other games and there's a ton of open world games. The differences between BOTW and Genshin are so huge that you may as well compare Assassins Creed to BOTW. Meanwhile ToF copy pasted Genshin so hard they even took the reviews.
Climbing on any surface (not common),open world,gliding,very similar stamina system,similar movement,somewhat similar combat,similar looking enemies,very similar weapon mechanics. I could go on and genshin impact is a good game but saying it’s «inspired» by BOTW is really underseling it
Genshin heavily took inspiration from BoTW, not just open world and climbing. Anime cell-shaded look, early game Mondstadt area looking surprisingly similar to early BoTW, ancient robots in medieval fantasy setting, damn glider, hilichurls resembling bokoblin enemies and abyss mages resembling wizzrobes… Damn, even Aether having similar-ish vibe to Link. There was a lot of BoTW dna in early Genshin, but yes Hoyo built its own world, story and gameplay on top of it.
Tower of Fantasy is literally stealing assets, though.
@@pl4sma59Moving is now from BoTW? did they invent oxygen too? wtf Combat is similar? It's not even remotely similar. Similar enemies and weapons mechanics? Are you literally blind? Next you'll be saying it being a game is a copy of BoTW. Genshin also has the colour green in it, copied that too I guess. I guess you can use a sword in Genshin, shame BoTW invented that lol These are such stretches its not even funny.
Are some things inspired from it? Ofc they are, that's roughly 99% of games and BoTW was "inspired" by a list of games before it.
@@anyanP Genshin; an anime game, took inspiration from BoTWs ANIME style? IDo you think maybe an Anime game was inspired by Anime? Aether is like Link? In what way? Honestly all of the examples are so weirdly vague I don't get it. Mondstadt area is based off of Europe, this is well established, I guess Europe is based off of BoTW now too.
Gliders have been in quite a few games, dating before BoTW. Tribal enemies all = Bokoblins apparently now too which is just dumb.
There's a difference between inspiration and copying. There's also a difference between things being 1:1 copied and obvious to see and having to stretch a bit.
@@siricosirus those are still things BoTW and Genshin have in common, not just “open world + climbing”.
And yes, I’m not saying that Genshin literally ripped off BoTW, but it was really heavily inspired by it and you have to be either blind or in deepest denial ever to say it wasn’t. I’m also not saying that being inspired by something or being derivative in general is bad - and Genshin, arguably, doing it right by building off of this inspiration.
I just started playing tof and honestly, on paper there is no way it could ever compete with genshin in its current state. However, genshin to me is incredibly boring because it's purely PvE, solo playing and very easy. If I wanna a PvE solo game I'll go for something that's challenging like dark souls or has very good story like red dead redemption. Tof pvp which does bring competitiveness , which is very appealing to me and a lot of people I know while also allowing me to explore with my friends. Yes the gacha system makes it more difficult for f2p players but I've played against whales and it's really still very manageable to beat them with a much worse set of weapons. I just use the 3 ssr characters I managed to pull and none of them are great in pvp but I'll still win against people with better characters simply by knowing how to play instead of what to play.
Yeah same reason why i stopped playing genshin, got kinda boring with PvE content,i suggested that they add pvp content on their facebook post and genshin fans got angry (somehow) lol
@@sleepisgood2936 don't know why but many people don't like pvp. I do get somewhat tho. I haven't had a single match against anyone without nemesis over the last 3 days or so and since I don't have her or samir it's tuff. Also PvE is always kind of easy in these games as long as you level up enough so your units always feel powerful and you always feel good. Pvp destroys that since you see how much weaker you are without certain units
I like the combat of ToF more than Genshin (Aerial, Relics, Discharge system, QTE), while Genshin is better in like most aspects, they pale to compare against ToF's combat. Now if only it is smooth.
Also, I like how people say the game is P2W when you can just ignore PVP for how little rewards it gives. PVP is just there to reward players who wanna fight randoms.
Genshin was really only considered to be a clone of BoTW simply because of the gliding mechanic that was popularized by it. Every other aspect of the game is either new or part of almost every Open World RPG. BoTW was the first popular game to have that gliding, but now you see it everywhere. It's like saying that Yu-Gi-Oh is a clone of Pokemon, simply because its monsters fighting each other. As if Pokemon was the first to ever think of such a thing.
odly enough the first 2 pokemon games and the first chapter of the Yu-gi-oh manga were released in the same year.
yu-gi-oh started as a manga. the TCG came Way later.
6:40 But BOTW was in gameplay, which is the core argument of BOTW fans, first seen in Cube World.
And let's be real, cell shading isn't a technique unique to BOTW.