What the B.C. government knew about the flood threat | Come hell... B.C. under water
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2021
- In Come hell… B.C. under water we examine the devastation in B.C. after catastrophic flooding and look at how the provincial government should have seen this coming.
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The way the Abbotsford mayor laughs “we didn’t need to scare people they already knew” makes me sick.
Thats exactly when I looked at the comments to find this one immediately.
Sir, they should be scared. And you didnt give them the information they needed.
Too busy trying to save face, not lives.
Me too the man should be taken out of office along with a couple higher-ups who didn’t take any responsibility
What was it last year china was opening up dams and flooding their own communities without warning the people just seems kind of similar and that’s a communist country
Honestly, smfh
Same here. What a horses a$$!
Trudeau is too busy worrying about looking like “a nice guy who is all about diversity” .. he can’t be bothered with the things that really matter..
He is an impotent wimp!
When you drain a lake and it fills back in that's not climate change
How the government wipes it hands of any responsibility is mind blowing.
Of course blaming the weather change helps them to push the new agenda
Lovely Socialism.
Specifically woke British Columbia / California
@@carriec4443 It's interesting how people are blaming socialism for this. Most of the areas that got flooded are private properties. If you love capitalism so much, it appears to me that it should be the property owners who should pay for all the flood damages, clean up and flood protection facilities themselves. And so the provincial government did the right thing by not getting involved.
The biggest problem is man has built cities on old lake beds and flood plains. You can not harness mother nature. I have great empathy for all those affected. There is no easy solution. Very tragic to say the least.
You hit the nail right on the head! Positive thoughts n blessings to those affected
Our arrogance is our biggest enemy. We think we can conguer everything including nature.
The Taoist knows you can not change the flow of water. It's impossible.
This land is way below sea level. It IS a delta, which means it is a winter flood plain.
They have know for decades this land would one day be reclaimed by water, they had 30 years to relocate. They chose to stay because they are stupid and would rather loose everything including their lives than relocate. I have zero sympathy for stupid people.
Now everyone in bc will have home owners insurance go up to pay for these stupid peoples mistakes...
@@c.a.greene8395 I agree with you somewhat. However I would not say they are stupid people. I'm sure many were born and raised in this valley. There are generations that all call it home. We see these types of catastrophies happening world wide. I'm sure the first settlers did not know about global warming.
@@TC-yh9xo there were no first settlers in this area.
The native tribes only ever used the lower mainland and the valley during summer months as it has always flooded in winter, that's why it is called a DELTA.
When this eara was first settled, they had winter water issues and many farms were lost annually.
After putting in pumping stations many of the families were told to move, the pumps wouldn't last forever and the government would ot be compensating anyone if they were to stay and be flooded once again.
This is why I say they were stupid for staying...how many times does the government need to tell you to move before you pick up and go?
Personally I have seen it often as I worked for a hatchery in the Port renfrew area which is also a delta flood plain.
Many campers would give me the finger when I would tell them to move. They never understood how waterfall accumulated in rivers, and it takes 3 days for the water that falls today to make it into the rivers and streams. IF they are tidal fed, and it's high tide when the water begins entering the river - the entire area could flood 120 feet overnight - killing all those who refuse to move....
After I have saved them they usually try to give me the 'we didn't know ' story, not realizing it was me who told them 8 hrs before to move or risk drowning...
So yeah, I call it stupidy because that is exactly what causes people to believe it's gonna happen to someone else and not them
Turning mountain sides into sawdust does not help. Cutting down all trees & leaving 50% on the ground, to rot is asking for trouble
You obviously don't know a lot about logging.
@@RuminatingWizard what are they wrong about?
@@RuminatingWizard Do you know how valley erosion works?
Could you imagine where the province would be if they left the lake alone, and made another area into farmland?
No one ever mentions that a lot of these problems occur when builders place structures on land that was never meant to be built on.
You can't make a statement like that, its not agenda compliant lol...
This is all First Nation land. None of it was meant to be built upon. Get out, colonizers.
Prime example New Orleans!
Everyone mentions it, all the time.
@@pinkpearl1967 I wan't hearing about it in this specific documentary.
Thank you CBC for your usual in-depth and accurate reporting that gives Canadians an honest and sober look at a disaster. It's a shame for B.C. and the Fraser Valley residents and farmers to experience such a catastrophe and will take years to recover, if at all. And the additional heartache First Nations bands face in the loss of their spiritual home, along with their material home compounds this tragedy. I hope we learn something here...
Thanks for that hilarious comment. hahahaha CBC... accurate reporting LOL
@@dfunckt what was inaccurate about this video?
@@pinnipedwithhumanqualities5276 The Fifth Estate is the honest wing of the CBC. The rest of it is an absolute joke!
Consider the fact that this flooding happened in the late 1800’s, and again in the mid 1900’s yet they still keep building in a flood plain… 👏🏻
even in Japan - theire was a cemented stone erected on the hillside that warned not to build any lower(or else it'd be too close to the sea) but guess what... the Tsunami destroyed everything - ironically
But no one wants to really talk of those……no climate change story there
Not the late 1800. It was drained in 1920, flooded again in 1942, then 1990, and now 2021....I give it another 10 years before it floods again
Its the same in the US. In Washington state if you pay a county enough money for a "special" permit, then you can build on flood plains and landslides. Then they sell those houses to unsuspecting people moving from other states. We all know what is there and we try to tell them. They won't believe you anyway. They think we are just unhappy that they come here and vote out our way of life with restrictive laws. As much as that may be true, we are not lying to them about the floods and landslides. Then it happens and they snivel. Wow. If I were moving to another geographical area I would want to know all about it before I bought or built a house in any particular place. People are so entitled. They were warned, just not by our GREEDY government. Why do people completely trust any government? Politicians are KNOWN liars.
And they wonder why we are keeping our guns. SMH.
@@amandachristmas9682 It flooded back in 1894 before it was drained. It was called the Great Flood.
Imagine building a city on a drained lake, having it flood every few decades, then blaming “climate change” when it floods again.
its all publicitiy. wlecome to the unreal real world
I am sure you feel this is helpful....but there is a bit more going on here.
The floods were always from overflow during large spring melt of snowpack in the mountains.
This has NEVER happened from rainfall in the Autumn. It has been called a 500 year event. November is our consistently rainiest month. It can rain almost every day. We got all that usual rain and then the entire months worth as well in less than 48 hours.
Making simple statements is a lazy way of not looking at reality.
Should they have built on a drained lake bed, heck no, but that was not the only place affected. There were towns under water who have never had that experience.
@@beverlyakhurstRitam8 it is that simple. I think you’re not liking my comment because it addresses climate change. So to be clear, climate change likely contributed to the severity of this flood. But I guarantee you it’s literally a scientific fact that government incompetence contributed on a drastically greater level.
@@ItsTheMunz Like or dislike aren't really a thing here. Dialogue that covers more than one point of a very large problem is what I am hoping for. Yes, government contributed. Every government that was part of this whole process for many long decades. But that does not make it a scientific fact. It is reality along with the reality that people who originally wanted the land for farming and then those that wanted it for homes are part of the problem, developers who should have known better, highway engineers who should have spoken up and how many generations of humans deciding if we wanted what nature had we could take it and find ways to outsmart the very thing we are made of.
Since we are made of the elements of nature, basically we are trying to outsmart ourselves.
I actually think the moniker climate change has dumbed down the whole issue. We have broken or maybe severed is a better word our very deep connection and required understanding of nature.
Do I think government has done much right? No, nor do I think most of us have either. I will not belittle the people who lived there for their choice, nor will I treat every politician as if they are idiots, since they are as fallible as I am.
But I do ask everyone to at least think a bit harder, make decisions based in what is good for everything alive and start repairing our relationships so that we are more willing to look out for each other? You bet.
"man" WILL NOT take blame for trying to CHANGE mother nature---SHE will ALWAYS WIN!!!!!
My condolences to the survivors for their loss family, friends and well being.
You get what you pay for. Choose your leaders wisely. Voting for officials who will make flood control and human safety a priority is everyone’s responsibility.
Trying to make lakebeds into farmland was the first mistake.
The Sacramento valley has experienced floods for similar reasons. Developers are allowed to build homes in known floodplains. Home buyers are not told this and then when the flooding happens developers and government agencies who permitted these developments are not held accountable.
Floodplains make the best farmland. The problem is the infrastructure. In NA everything is spread out - one home per farm. A better system would be a village system with houses clustered together on high land, and the farms clustered together. The floods enrich the soil.
Flood brings in nutrients remember Egypt .. learn from the past ,,,,it's a blessing don't cry😦😦
I grew up in Sacramento. So sad to think of how things have changed since the 50s. It was perfect area then into the 70s..now as elsewhere, people are paying the price of bad planning and money bought things that shouldn’t have .
@@kenlieberman4215 they need people with knowledge to plan the future of this area. You’d be a good start🌟
@@kenlieberman4215 yes, good solution.
It started with the Provincial Government, abdicated alerts, and abdicated the leadership required to alert emergency services and people to a growing situation in need of immediate attention. The Mayor of Abbotsford did not issue alerts, saying look out your window, he abdicated alerts. This was doomed from the beginning.
are you from merrit? how bad was/is it?
@@PolumbiusTheThird From Kamloops This Week "When the Coldwater River breached its banks in a massive flood event on Nov. 15, the force of the water was so powerful it carved a new channel through a residential neighborhood of Merritt."
@@PolumbiusTheThird Issued at 5:30 p.m. (Sunday) Nov 14th a flood warning by the River Forecast Centre. River levels are expected to ease later Monday (Nov 15th).
@@PolumbiusTheThird Issued Nov 14th by the City Of Merritt - Evacuation Information: "Due to major rainfall in the Coquihalla area, BC River Forecast Centre have issued a flood warning which includes the City of Merritt.
As a result, the City of Merritt has placed all properties within the Coldwater River 200 year flood plain on Evacuation Alert.
Residents should prepare a 72-hour kit and move valuable possessions out of low-lying areas.
We will monitor throughout the night, and the next communications will be at 11:30 PM on Sunday, November 14."
@@laurakilner7124 holy smokes
The Canadian government needs a drastic turnover, get some people the cares about ALL the people, do not leave 300 people at peril. Extremely poor decision of the mayor.
sounds like the US 'officials"....as long as i'm safe--the little people can take care of themselves....
"Why send out an alarm that would scare 120k people. All they needed to do was look out the window... everyone already knew." That is illogical. If they already knew than hearing an alarm wouldn't scare them overly.
exactly. if I got an alert during a 'unprecedented' (I'm starting to hate that term) rainfall that's putting a good number of city residents at risk, I wouldn't be upset about it. lots of people were finding out about evacuations through social media and journalists, not government comms.
It's the Canadian Management Protocol: FIRST we must ALWAYS make absolutely, completely, 100% certain that absolutely EVERY last horse has been stolen from the barn BEFORE we consider the possibility of perhaps talking about the idea of exploring whether we should put an item on a future agenda about forming a steering committee to suggest the type of committee that should be formed to consider if we should at some future time consider creating some new overpaid positions and appropriate bureaucracy for examining the feasibility of buying a lock for the barn door.
well put!
Hahahaha! Good job
not helpful. Do you have any ideas?
@@garyleclerc9360 I doubt if we need much in the way of new ideas for dealing with, or preventing, a disaster like this because the individual components of the disaster are, by and large, OLD PROBLEMS that the pro's know how to deal with. Probably the existing know-how and knowledge base WAS adequate BEFORE the disaster -- it just wasn't used, that's the problem. I can say from personal experience and observation that there are LOTS of people in Western Canada who have the analytic and practical skills to anticipate and protect against, to some degree at least, many of the individual components of this disaster. People who have the hands-on skills and management skills in some of the long-established lines of work in BC (such as earth moving, mixing and pouring concrete in isolated locations under tough conditions, road and bridge building etc.) always give thought to possible disasters and what sort of safety nets can be put in place ahead of time, assuming someone somewhere is providing the finance.
LOTS of workers in logging, heavy construction, oil, earth moving, heavy transportation, and the related support services could grapple effectively to some degree, at least, with putting some safety nets and partial protections in place for disastrous flooding. Things like dikes, building dikes, bank stabilization, shoring up and stabilizing roads, emergency generators for living quarters, medical access and egress, supply lines for remote or isolated crews, mixing and pouring concrete in isolated locations, shipping and assembling precast bridges, ensuring possible rescues if necessary, etc. -- these are all skills that LOTS of people have in BC and those COMMON skills could have prevented SOME of the damage, at least, that's been done in this disaster if anyone had hired them to do that.
Those are OLD PROGLEMS, the pro's know how to deal with them but someone has to come up with the budget and order the action to get started. It's the sort of work that would be involved in a lot of the protection that wasn't done, and it's that same type of work that will be involved in a lot of the rebuilding that'll have to be done now. We have the talent on every level, from labour, to skilled labour, to management, to engineering and scientific analysis. No problem there -- it's the money and the executive order to do it that is the missing piece.
Yes. That's how it's always been done, and by God! THAT'S the way we are going to continue doing it!
Millions for studies and consulting and not a thin dime for the actual work . Finger pointing by senior governments. this is how everything in Canada works .
Because they are building VTVL rockets to get off the planet before our solar system's crossing over thru tour galaxies electromagnetic gravitational plane the Great Year Resets the planet.
AS for the floods you have to stop slow the water in the hills before it gets into the valleys. It is too late once it gets into the valleys. Weirs, S turns, Sacrificial flood plains etc.
We are in the END TIMES!
Just like Jesus tried to tell US with his reference to 7 stars, Precession cycles in his hand and the 1,000 years reign because it takes a Millennia for our solar system to cross over thru the milky way causing EMP pillars of fire, Oort cloud comet impacts and global east to west cataclysmic Tidal waves that wash over the continents and freeze into the continental glaciers lowering sea levels, AGAIN.
Watch for the Conjunction of the planets, with the 2033 conjunction being the beginning of the END.
Covid like CO2 is a comfortable LIE built upon yet another inconvenient truth.
The baby Boomer who were born en mass 76 years ago are starting to die en mass from the usual suspects of seasonal Flu which leads to Pneumonia and old age. Coincidentally identical symptoms as Covid.
The MASK of the BEAST to BUY or SELL is a pretext for the depopulation FINAL SOLUTION vaccine + 5G before the Great Year Resets the Planet again.
If we don't wake up it won't be a New World Order but a Brave New World Order as in the moves.
It takes 10 years to develop a vaccine IF and only IF you can isolate the virus. What variant are the LIARS on now? 5 th because we are in the 5 th seasonal FLu season.
BLM/ALM Divide and Conquer is the modus operandi of the evil families who think they are better than other humans because of their inbreeding purity of blood eugenics ideology.
Abortion, LGBTQ, Sterilization, Euthanasia, China One child policy are all depopulation policies before the END TIMES happen because our solar system is crossing over thru our galaxies electromagnetic gravitational plane center, now for the next millennia.
Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race & only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human.
I fear all of his pain and suffering will have been for naught because we as humans are still cowards being led by the bad shepherds Chosen people ideology.
@@GregoryJByrne Nothing is going to end trust me well not for like 5 million years or so.. and 5G is just the 5th generatoin of Cell phones
Government bears the greatest level of responsibility, but the truth is that we all contributed to problems that developed over decades. Deforestation, over-consumption of resources and poor land and environmental management accumulated to this crisis. Nothing happens in isolation, and no one escapes responsibility, to be honest.
@@albback8176 CO2 is nor has it ever caused our solar system or planets climate to change.
Our solar system is crossing eclipsing our galaxies electromagnetic gravitational plane and will be for the next 1,000 years causing the END TIMES. It is called the Precession of the 7 north stars. Every 12th millennia our solar system eclipses the galactic plane milky way causing the amount of Electromagnetic/gravitational energy to rise causing the END TIMES.
Temperature is rising first and CO2 follows as the Arctic thaws. Cause and effect.
Earth is a closed loop that self regulates co2 with life by combining CO2 with H2O to capture the EM energy of the galaxy via the Sun.
Energy is neither created nor destroyed. On this planet. All EM energy comes from the galactic nucleus/Bulge.
Good luck.
@@briand01 SRY to burst your bubble that is not what the evidence shows.
Actually no 5G is halfway into the microwave oven range.
There's always plenty of blame to go around, but the way this was handled was/is tragic! As always it's a "wait and see" policy with government. We waited, now what??? Shame on you all!!
A wise old guy once told me: "Mother Nature works 24 hours/day and she works for free" ... hard to compete with that
I'm sympathetic to all the individuals affected by this terrible situation. One thought is an observation from a college professor who taught me a Geography course in Kamloops years ago. He said "...never buy a house on a flood plain..." It is a lesson I've never forgotten.
💯💯💯💯 a lake is a lake..a flood plain is a flood plain...a swamp is a swamp...water will always reclaim its boundaries
Ahhhhhh, yes!!!! Logic here please, DONT BUILD YOUR HOUSE WHERE THERE WAS A LAKE, and open your eyes we are in ABRUPT CLIMATE CHANGE, not just CLIMATE CHANGE, are set of living arrangements is over time to rethink how we are going to live in the next ten to twenty years
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Yup, I lost everything in a flood and can tell you if you live near water, don’t be suprised if it ends up in your living room someday. Try to blame whoever you want, but it’s a simple thing really.
I totally agree, my husband and I moved to Canada 1998 everyone told us to buy property in bc/ lower mainland. We didn't because we both were worried about the flood plane which the lower mainland is and earthquake region.
We did buy something in the mountains but moved away in 2006 because of the ongoing fires, to Saskatchewan. We didn't regret that decision once since we moved here.
Deputy Premier's attitude really explains everything. We need leadership that exhibits integrity. Excuses, deflections and defensive hostility will ensure nothing improves.
Did you expect anything less from the NDP?
@@fogsmart I think it was said that responsibility was downloaded in 2003. If memory serves that was a BC Liberal government. The drunk driver was it not , Gordon Campbell. Mr. personal responsibility. This happened because no one wants to spend the money. Could be the BC Liberals in there and the same thing would happen.
I wouldn't trust that guy walk my dog!
Vote green if you want change
Truth is, that's just normal political behaviour, regardless of which party or people are in power. Sad, but true. The problem often with these comments is the absolute blindness of partisan politics. No partisan can truly deny that. Way too much bullshit among both politicians, as well as their hyper partisan supporters.
Everytime I hear "community is coming together", I just think "gov is useless, why am I paying tax"
I'm in oregon USA. Thank you for wonderful coverage & interviews with experts. The lack of warning was dreadful. The mayor of Abbotsford needs to be replaced & Trudeau needs to get to BC & get provincial government in GEAR. I am very sad for all those flooded out & those who lost loved ones.
Trudeau needs to be replaced as well
I don't see how the whole population of Abbotsford would be "scared" by an emergency warning (by text message?) about pending floods in the Sumas Prairie and other low lying areas. Abby Mayor should rethink his logic on that one.
Right?! I feel it would've been 10x more terrifying having 0 warning or time to prepare
I think he should rethink his capability for the job"
@@everanon4914 It would be tough for anybody, but he did look like he was in over his head a few times.
As an abbotsford resident I would have greatly appreciated a text. We had no warning. Just our own instincts.
So the mayor read your comment and he has sent me to apologize to you for his poor handling of the situation. He hopes that you can forgive him and would ask they you not post mean comments about him on RUclips videos.
Mike Farnworth's petulant annoyance at being held accountable is typical of this government
it is also previous governments. as a surveyor for southern BC we told the governments this will come and they ignored us. You can not prepare in a couple of years for what we said is coming.
It's typical of EVERY government, not just THIS one, it isn't THIS government who downloaded responsibility.
honestly .. I'd be annoyed too... the guy isn't the Premier .... he just landed the roll like a week and a half before and probably had to answer a bunch of stupid questions the reporter knew he couldn't answer off the top of his head but they cherry picked that one to show.
That was quite an interesting documentary investigation within the month of the disaster, Fifth Estate. Thank you.
Well done, excellent coverage as always. I'm so thankful that we have a publicly funded investigative journalism bureau that personifies journalistic integrity. Thank you
Almost like governments don't really have your best interest in mind.. eh?
After learning about the Prime Minister and the Wii foundation and then the Prime Minister and the oil company corruption and the firing of the first female AG or whatever Canada calls it because she wouldn't go along with what he said.. yep he doesn't give a f*** about anybody
Dont ever rely on them....they are dumbstruck out of touch for one thing...
We are in a 'new phase ' of life in our solar system
"Corporations aren't your friend"
@@jillsmcfarland2001 Yes, the pharmasuitical corporations that are pushing the vax.
They drained sumas lake around the Abbotsford area so yeah they never cared it's all about greed as always governments not giving a F
Better to Sound the Alarm than to let People lose everything. This person who didn’t sound the Alarm, needs to be fired immediately. Listen to the people……the live ones. Unreal.
You have to understand the threat to life complacency brings. It's like the boy who called wolf, and it's incredibly dangerous.
Let's say they pull the alarm, people go crazy and evacuate but then nothing happens. People will be mad at all that expense, but a week later when the alarm gets pulled again fewer will do anything and that puts lives at risk.
The more times you pull an alarm and nothing happens, the fewer people will respond to the alarm.
More people stand to be injured or risk their lives from complacency than do from pulling an alarm later than ideal. So it becomes a situation where you have to opt for the lesser of two evils in order to keep the most amount of people safe.
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@@tjmarx the thing is that they knew a long long time before this happened. They had alot of time to warn people without sounding an alarm. To at least give people the choice to leave and save their livelihood or if they wanted to wait it out a bit. Still when this catastrophe was at itsy beginning they should have been there to help prevent the flood. By ( They ) I mean the Government, the Army, and whoever else they could get. Should have been sandbagging way before it started. They knew this was eventually going to happen. No excuses.
Then if it had have caused traffic jams and accidents and panic, and locked people into unsafe areas, you would be saying this man should have been fired for pulling the alarm for 160,000 people to warn 600.
The thing is@@caty9995that's not true at all. The very first interview in this Mark Kelly sensationalism report is a meteorologist explaining that they didn't know until it was too late. They thought the system would drift south and miss BC entirely. They thought there would be snow.
Remember, Mark Kelly has a habit of finding the most ridiculous people and then twisting what they have to say into a sensationalist story that doesn't exist. He tries to create outrage where none is due. He's a daily mail style of reporter.
The army is a federal agency, not a provincial one.
Like a east European I see so much bad things in CA. Uncontrolled logging, no highways just widening roads. Gravel and few centimetres of asphalt is not a highway. You can see those bridges are still good just parts of roads with out solid base are gone. Canada will learn. I saying that for years. Now is the time.
thank you!
This short-sightedness is not unique to B.C. or Canada. Look at New Orleans, look at the people in California who build on cliffs overlooking (and then sliding into) the ocean. There are simply places on which you should not build and it's easy to figure out where these places are.
What the point is in this disaster, however, is HOW CLEARLY THE DISASTER WAS PREDICTED in report after report after report commissioned by the government and given to supposedly interested, supposedly responsible, departments (plural) of the government.
One report just 3 or so years ago detailed the likely ways a severe rainfall event would play out in those regions. The report said that IF ANY of the likely scenarios occurred, the result would be the biggest natural disaster in Canadian history.
Pause and take note: If ANY of those eminently-probable likelihoods occurred, it would be the biggest natural disaster in Canadian history. If the people in charge don't take action on conclusions like that, of what value are such people?
So there's no excuse for not protecting the province once that has been made clear, given how credible the report was and how consistent with all other studies and citings of imminent devastation simply waiting to happen.
You cite New Orleans, but keep in mind that not all floodable land is inadequately protected -- dyking and preventing flooding is highly worked out and effective in some places.
And in New Orleans, the levee on the lake was built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The city may have been in a false sense of security based on the assumption the Corps had done a competent job and that the existing levee was adequately designed. When Katrina came around to hit the levee, it had notched down quite a bit in severity and was much less than category 4 or 5 but nonetheless the levee turned out to be "under designed" as engineers would call it, and failed -- probably adequately built originally, but to inadequate specifications. There would have been a lot of engineers' signatures on the finished job, so perhaps they were in a false sense of security and their error was different than the gross negligence here in B.C.
Don't be in a hurry to think the New Orleans disaster the BC disaster are directly comparable.
@@vancouverterry9142 Let me ask you a question: if your house is in an area where you can look UP and watch seagoing ships traveling past, wouldn't it occur to you that living below sea level might not be a great idea regardless of what some government engineer told you? Or how about building an expensive house on a cliff overlooking the sea for the great view even as you watch the waves erode the cliff all around you? Or repeatedly losing your home to wildfire yet continuing to rebuild there (often with federal disaster aid funds)? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statements (although I question the long-term reliability of dikes) and my point is that short-sightedness is not unique to any government or group of people. Predictions of disaster -- even the certainty of disaster -- are good to sell newspapers but rarely does anyone do anything to prevent or mitigate the injury. On an individual level consider people who smoke tobacco, use heroin/fentanyl/whatever, drive like maniacs, or oppose vaccinations in the face of a pandemic: why would anyone think these same people are any more rational when it comes to preventing collective disasters?
Abbotsford governor really messed up. He should be held accountable.
Exactly, telling them to look out the window. By that point it's too late. Washington state sounded their alarm.
yeah right!
I think Abbotsford needs a new Mayor, and BC a new Government, and Canada needs to finally get rid of PM Turdeau who finally showed up a week later. Yup, our great Country, a friggin joke!
I think it's becoming more obvious how important we all are to each other.... AND how important it is that become self sustainable. As very well shown in this video, they're NOT looking out for us.
I've been evacuated before. I know how these people feel. I'm sending them so much love and good energy!
Such good honest reporting. Thank you, so good to see. These incompetencies are important to talk about.
H.A.A.R.P.
exactly. part of the covid scam
@@russellnorton9940 yup check my wake up playlist
Exactly..All planned..The Great reset..
Half Assed Arguments Repeated by Parrots
@@-LightningRod- Bah - ha - ha. Shouldn't you be getting your booster ?
This documentary is a fantastic example of modern day investigative journalism that has become increasingly rare in recent years. Great work on this one.
It's crap, politically charged as usual.
@@jupitereye4322 well, it was the governments fault, and it all starts with the leadership.
@@removedbyutube Well, to some degree, yes, but I am more alluding to the whole "global warming" narrative. They keep saying how we need to do more to address the global warming issue, none of that is happening and there is zero chance of fixing that. At best it will take 100 years to reduce the emissions by an insignificant percentage. We are too hooked on technology, means of transportation, life routines... there is no other way to efficiently melt steel without fossil fuels, and manufacture vast mountains of products. As for the whole logging situation, Canada absolutely depends on logging. Perhaps better planning would help, where to exploit the forest and re-plant, but that will take again another few decades to grow forests for this purpose. Another thing is that climate change is highly complex, we can't simply change our policies and production and fix it all. Perhaps some simpler solutions ought to be looked at, like better zoning, road planning, updating geological surveys...
@@removedbyutube Every politician over the last 30 years that did nothing but study is responsible for this.
Totally agree.
This is absolutely heartbreaking! Mayor Braun and ALL other officials involved should be ashamed and kicked out of office immediately! The arrogance of him!!! UUUGGGHHHHH
Re designated Flood Zone; you can build in a flood zone but you have to design around the risk. For example build on piles or build so that first floor is sacrificial. I.e. garage / bonus room on first floor with kitchen, bathrooms or other expensive to reconstruct areas on second floor. Minimize cost of remediation / reconstruction or just prohibit building.
PS1- Various levels of government should do Emergency Notification System (ENS) testing before fire season and before rainy season.
PS2 - if Lessons Learned report on this incident isn’t taken for action and mitigation tracked to completion, lessons are just Lessons Observed.
PS3 - 1990 flood lessons didn’t appear to get much traction.
PS4 - Shifting costs and responsibility for a huge integrated flood control system to small cities was irresponsible.
100 years ago, a lake was drained so man could tame nature.
People built and lived on the LAKE BED.
The water, CAME BACK.
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Beginning, middle and end of story.
Postscript. The hubris of humanity. They stay and continue to dream they are gods.
When I was living in Vancouver back in the 90s, I took a float plane over Vancouver Island. I was shocked to see the extent of clear cut logging. The logging companies were leaving a fringe of trees on each side of the island roads, presumably in an attempt at hiding their destruction. I wonder if clear cut logging had anything to do with the recent floods. Yes, the volume of water was extraordinary but cutting all the trees curtails the natural ability to absorb at least part of it.
It has been shown that logging does this in other countries.
Same thing, '90s, Seattle. Was shocking,
Oh go hug a tree
They mention logging as one of the contributing factors in the doc.
@@vancouver4sure Yeah that really adds to the conversation.
I feel deeply for the loss of home and animals, the gardens and equipment. The devastating flood is a watershed moment that shows the views of material loss but also loss of perspective regarding natural laws. The native people lost everything as well but they always look at the root cause and how nature and water follows the path of least resistance. Over logging, mining, and oil pipelines are a major contributing factors in this perfect storm, it’s time we listened to them.
Once a skeptic, I must now admit that in just over two decades, I have seen at least half a dozen "100" yr rains, a massive ice storm, and a teeter totter of non stop rains or weeks/months of drought. The weather patterns hold on for longer periods than they did growing up in the 60s-70s. We must now build for the new reality, because honestly, nothing is really being done about any of it anyways.
There's nothing we CAN do about it. We cannot freeze the climate to the time we so foolishly wish it to be. The 100 year rains aren't 100 year rains. Don't fall for the lies.
You don't build dams and then just ignore them. The dams need to be repaired and updated on a regular basis. So basically the population can blame their government on all levels.
When I made the decision to buy myself a house I made sure it was on soiled ground where risk of flooding is near to nothing, today people don’t take time to go see such risks before settling down and buying or building there homes.what kind of gouvernement would allow people to build house where there was a lake or a river???? I was brought up by parents that told me never depend on the gouvernement.
It's all a part of their agenda to thin out the population.... It's sad.... They can stop this from happening. But they make excuses
@@lynebenoit5124 it’s not about you Lyne and how clever you are in your choices.
This is about BC farmers and their workers and Indigenous communities.
The government knew about the issue of failing anti flood infrastructure, they know about climate change as well.
Not investing and not warning people about the natural disaster is a crime.
@@vkrgfan But don’t you think that depending on the government’s is not wise knowing how much they lie to people. Buying or building a house is one of the most important thing in one’s life and the ground in witch one choses to built it on is VERY IMPORTANT!!!! That’s one of the most important lessons my parents told me, when I got my house I made a study of the land that it was built on before buying it I would of never, never got a house were there was a river or lack, NEVER!!!! Know we are in ABRUPT CLIMATE CHANGE!!!! Not just climate change so we have to be even smarter and wiser then before because are set of living arrangements are over it’s a new ball game now and we have to think about how we are going to survive for the next ten years I strongly suggest you start BELIEVING in GOD, GOD so loved the world that he gave us his only begotten son Jesus Christ so who ever BELIEVES in him shall not perish but have eternal life, God did not send his son in the world to condemned the world but to save it but if you don’t BELIEVE in the only son of God then you are already condemned for not BELIEVING in his son. Jesus Christ came down from heaven born of a virgin rapt himself in flesh died and shad his blood on the cross so we could be forgiven of all our sins past, present and future sins, salvation is a free gift from God not of any human efforts or following traditions so no could boast, just confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is lord and BELIEVE in your heart that God raised him from the grave three days after and you will be saved ❤️
who is paying?
The biggest issue is lack of maintenance of existing flood and drainage controls. I worked for two years on the damage in 2010 in the Pine Pass. Most of the flooding and damage was caused by lack of maintenance to culverts, ditches, creek cleanouts. This used to be done by Dept. of Highways which then contracted road maintenance to private contractors but they only work on the right of way, not the watercourses that that bring the water to the right of way. These hadnt been cleaned out for years and with a heavy rainfall, trees and boulders blocked culverts and took out bridges over a 50 mile stretch of the main north south highway in BC's interior.
Exactly, but it's easier to blame CC.
@@ce3547 Yep lets blame CC and call people climate refugees...makes for a better headline
And fires? Should they rake leaves?Keep sticking your heads in the sand and pretending you are living in the past. Change happens with time, we don’t live in a stagnant pond! We have huge capacities and technology at our fingertips and this destruction and suffering can be prevented or at least handled better, as you say here. Regional government hasn’t the capacity to maintain and upgrade without FEDERAL assistance, This is mentioned in this report. Do you not agree there is much room for improvement?
Not much more we can do here when they won't clean the Nooksack south of the border. One of the biggest issues contributing to the flooding and billions of dollars in damages and decades of hard work wiped out. Maintain the river USA!
@@ce3547 This was Climate Change. And we are just getting started. Time to shut down the deniers and start doing what we need to to try and limit the damage that is coming. Time to start listening when the meteorologists use terms like "never seen before" and "never recorded before". Or to sit up and take notice when tornadoes start touching down in Vancouver.
I have been driving truck and have lived in the lower mainland and I have for the last 20 years been expecting this. No surprise. Biggest problem B.C. has is that they do not plan ahead in their infrastructure. They wait untill they are forced to spend the money.
The mayor of Abbotsford blew it ! If you have an emergency and you have alarms in place for such an emergency and you choose not to sound the alarm because you don't want to alarm people then you don't understand what alarms are for and you don't know your job !
Step down ! People have died , many more could have died because of this information failure !
The mayor said he would do the same thing again ! That's just irresponsibility and ignorance!
Trudeau could care less about western Canada period!
The west would habitually ignore and redicule him anyway for anything he says and does. Please stop blaming him for everything just because you don't like him. Start working with the B.C. government to rebuild and plan for future prevention.
You can't expect help from government that deny there is a problem.
@Real CanadianX It wouldn't surprise me. Everyone knows that the Monopoly geeks are going after the farmers right now.
@Real CanadianX all the money they get from taxes , related to the so called climate change taxes, none go to protect communities. No forest management, no water ways management, no upgrading our highways and hospitals. It all goes to foreign aid and we get to suck on our own thumb 👍...
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now many people say we shouldn't build on old lake beds, but don't ignore that the dikes and pumps that holds the water are very old, and not align with standard. The trouble is that building in Canada is way too expensive that even govt can't afford to update those infrastractures. That is the broken part. If cost of building isn't too high, these tragedies can be avoided. We need to bring the cost of building anything in Canada down to an acceptable level. It's ridiculous that govt can't afford to build life saving infrastructures.
Thank Pierre Trudeau for that. The Bank of Canada provided interest-free loans for infrastructure. That's how Canada was built. Pierre Trudeau comes along and changes it to where Canada now has to borrow money, at interest, from private banks. That is when the national debt started. We need to bring the original function of the Bank of Canada back.
This is why we should regulate mining and chopping down old growth etc. And incompetence of our Governments is another major fracture in this catastrophes.
Mayor Braun is an id…! Who’s going to send the warning out if he won’t ? Take responsibility for your lack of response
He does not have to - he's a politiction.
Yes he has no clue don't know how they got elceted total failure
It's the mayor responsibly to do what's best for the population. If he can't do what's required he should be relieved of his duties. This is an elected position which means his pay cheque comes out tax payers monies.
maybe try taking responsibility for yourself.
Failure of the government here to always “not scare people”
Fear is necessary, it’s what allows you to survive.
The government does nothing BUT SCARE PEOPLE. Wake up!!!!
Agreed. Lying to people only makes them think up situations in their head. And there's nothing worse than that people need facts to make the proper decision
Could the damage from this disaster have been lessened with better flood planning? Sure it could have, especially in 20/20 hindsight. I’m not surprised that warnings were ignored here. BC is a very mountainous land. Mountainous regions around the world have always been particularly prone to flash flooding. In the mountains there’s typically only one place for excessive rain to go to. That’s down the canyons and gorges. If you live in a mountainous region, then chances are you will deal with a flash flood situation sooner or later.
I am living in Abbotsford, BC and this is scarier than it seems. My community is strong and we will rebuild 💪🏼
Just remember to rebuild on higher ground eh. Full support.
Whats scaring you? that you can't drive to Chilliwack? its people like you that the mayor didn't sound the alarm.... you'd probably run out and buy every roll of TP and jug of milk and tie up the phone lines for hours.
Next summer I'm building a 26' Tinyhouse Trailer. At least it can be moved by a Pickup Truck. I think Canada should allow more Tinyhouse Communities.
I like the way you think your absolutely right good idea finally!!!.
I agree, just not in a flood zone.
Unfortunately, my experience has been that zoning restrictions ensure only large permanent houses can be built that are valued highly and thus produce more property tax revenue. I’ve chosen to rent because it’s very flexible, fairly affordable if you share a house, and provides more space while being closer to amenities.
Ha ha ha ha...in Canada there is no dry camping available. You cannot just pull up anywhere. Also, there are huge regulations on building those homes, and transporting them also. You're pipedream needs more homework. WELCOME TO CANADA....especially BC, where the bureaucratic red tape is a nightmare.
Maybe people should not build there house where there was a lake or rivers, maybe take time before building a house to what kind of risk there is around. Climate change has been talk about since 1940’s. We were told about this years, years ago and just maybe don’t believe everything the gouvernement says!!!!🤔
Thank God for the communities and the people that helped each other. When you ignore warnings, and you don't want to pay now, you will definitely pay later. How very sad and disheartening for those who did not to stand up and take responsibility.
You folks are now are learning that you are on your own when it comes to these hurricanes, etc. The Cajun Navy was formed to help people while the officials are dithering.
The officials don't want "panic" people. Please panic me and give me a fighting chance. They know a lot that we don't know.
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Governments are also to blame for the catastrophe unfolding,given 30 to 50 years of neglect
I cannot believe the people who have been evacuated had to wait out in the cold for hours like that. I've been treated better waiting in line to get into a busy restaurant. that's just shameful.
Yes well that’s what you see from your privileged ignorant perspective I’m sure ur meal got payed for too Just shameful to compare waiting outside a restaurant to a natural disaster 🤡
@@zaceryhammond1144 ok? I'm saying that people who have been through a natural disaster shouldn't have to wait outside in the cold like that, and the least the office could do is give them warm drinks or blankets to make it easier. I don't think you read my comment correctly.
@@montana_rc not as easy as just putting them in a 5 star hotel for a few weeks it’s 100s of thousands of houses …
My father once told me the day things REALLY change is when the sewers swell up in the backyards of elected officials, Royalty, people in POWER, etc.
I wish their houses would wash away, maybe then they would understand.
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lol exactly. When john horgan's house washes away in a land slide maybe we'll see real change.
They need to do what Winnipeg did decades ago and build a flood-way around the city to the Fraser river. Duff's Ditch has saved Manitoba and Winnipeg billions of dollars and kept our streets dry.
WE ALL NEED TO GET VERY SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE ALL AROUND THE WORLD 🌎 .
One other thought to my reply: One other thought, in the US you can only buy flood issue from the Federal Government and if you property sits on a floodplain. The madness is that people can continue to rebuild time and time again. Don't know if Canada is the same but we have to get these people off the floodplains and let nature dictate where people live. Sure keep rebuilding but the government only plays flood claims twice. If it happens a third time then you're on your own.
Why isnt the canadian government raising concerns to the US gov about their managment of the Nooksack river which if not maintained well would cause flooding downstream on the canadian side. Could the USA government be negligent in only warning their citizens but have no concern with knowing the devastation that will be incurred downstream out of their jurisdiction?
At the very least why is there virtually no coordination between US and Canadian governments when the problem is cross borders?
Further there does not seem to be any coordination between provincial and municipal governments. No one is taking ownership. We need a central authority that takes ownership and cannot expect random individuals and individual municipalities to take on this role...this is more like a failed state
Because the US and Canada are too busy to demonize China. Their domestic problems is not important!
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It's heartbreaking to hear whats going on in Canada, but these two countries are 2 peas in a pod
The United States has the same problem as Canada in that resources and money management are stretched thin, and spent haphazardly, idealistically, or take too long to spend it where it needs to go. Both of these countries are responsible for huge swaths of land, that delegate what happens there to local communities, that aren't necessarily divided by the lay of the land, but by whims of people in the 1800s who had little to no understanding of the long term effects and hadn't lived there for generations to understand where the borders should've been placed.
While the Nooksack River is in Washington state, most fundraising happens locally in Whatcom county where the river is itself which is also mostly farmland and rural, which leads to not enough money for needed infrastructure in the vast swaths it's needed because of spread out communities. Some funding does come from the state itself which houses dense urban areas like Seattle, but there is a gigantic array of infrastructure that needs attending to with the American car focused transportation, and broken money corrupt poilitical system that what does get done is never enough.
The bare silver lining in this is that Washington as a state does have a learning curve with disasters, and we have a fondness for Canada. My soul will die a little more if next time, we don't give you any warning.
It's odd that geo-engineering is never mentioned.
finally someone with a brain mentioning the elephant in the room. Yes it is all Man-made by evil subhumans. research US AIRFORCE DOCUMENT AF 2025 FINAL REPORT. 1996.
Why is that? Here in SoCal our weather has been so screwed up, I’m sure it’s unnatural. All that sky striping. It’s got to have an effect.
Yes!!! Been watching the sky since 1996. Makes me sick. Literally. Been disabled my whole life
Not really..without this catastrophic weather events, the man made climate change agenda is out the window. 😐
HAARP
This was very well put together. Good information, please stay safe everyone! 🙏
Failure of government at all levels despite all those millions of 💸 paid by the people. Same here in Australia. Our main infrastructure is at risk but not even minimum assessment. Go Greens
This is horrible! I can't believe the negligence and that guy saying he would handle it the same way....what way was that exactly. Just like here in the States, you can only depend on yourself and friends to help.
This isn't a climate issue, this is an ignorance issue.
We keep draining wetlands, and lakes then acting like its normally dry land. Then we act surprised when a weather event comes along and the lake becomes a lake again.
Yes, I heard in the news that people decided to turn the lake into a fertile land for farming and agriculture. It sounded perfect but forgot that there's reasons why it was a lake.
I agree there is blame to be had by those who want to control nature for their gain, but the "weather event" should not have existed. That water is coming in a messed up pattern created by the clear cuts around the centre of the earth.
One does not discount the other.
I feel sad when my Canadians sad and hurts. I am sharing your pains and loses.
So sad can’t stop crying I feel so sorry for everyone going through this I pray God keep everyone safe so sorry for the animals what they going trough 🙏😢💔
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Can't even imagine the pain these people are going through. I wonder how many of them knew their house was build on a lake bed? It should be illegal to build there. Government should be absolutely held accountable for their lack of warning and complete disregard of leadership and proper planning.
Most would’ve known this used to be a lake. It’s flooded a number of times in the past, and as a result if you buy/build on this plain you aren’t able to buy flood insurance. I have quite a few family members living there, and I grew up on the plain as well. It’s the fact that it used to be a lake that makes the land extra fertile and prime farmland. But it also means those who lose anything, lose everything. Especially the farmers.
Majority of the population of Abbotsford is not on the flood plain, thus why he didn’t feel it would be worth it to alert everyone for a small population that was actually at risk. But nevertheless this entire event has been heartbreaking & devastating.
Humans must learn,,,, exploitation of naturel is like.... shop now pay later
@@SAGAWISIW30 says someone using technology.
@@SAGAWISIW30 Ah yes, tell us about how humans must learn -- you're so cosmic, so enlightened, so high-minded and all-knowingly superior. That's what we need -- platitudes addressed to all humans from the lofty perspectives of the arm chair, paperworker, and school teacher set.
I love the fifth estate, have they ever done anything about “project Jericho”? Curious about some of the stuff that happened.
Please thumbs up this so maybe the Fifth Estate team can see this, thank you 🙏.
They ran out of money that's why Season 2 was so rushed. Season 1 was amazing. Don't quite see why The Fifth Estate would investigate that, though.
They just did one about sexual abuse in Grenville christian college which is pretty much the same area as the thing I mentioned, I just want to find out more about it ( how long it was going on for, who found out and how did they stop it ect) thanks for all the thumbs ups.
@@earthboundfan5484 I think i saw that one. Very creepy bunch.
Very sad what happened. BC needs to update their infrastructure ASAP
I'm glad that Vancouver is doing ok.
The area where sumas lake sat in the 20's has sunk 20' due to subsidence. That means less water needed to flood just as bad now. Just like in California, Corcoran valley used to be a giant lake that they drained and the land has sunk 26' in the years since. Land will continue to sink and thus making flooding more prominent unfortunately.
Really good point you make, all horticulturalist know that soil collapses on an annual basis. So needs topping up with additional fresh soil. If no one does this yes the land compacts and therefore effectively sinks. Add years of neglect and dumb decisions and it was a disaster just waiting to happen
Why in the world are we building cities in natural lakes? So backwards. And then make man made lakes that are drying up. I am so perplexed how tf this stupidity happened
People are building homes in death Valley dry lake and that's a bad idea ready to happen.
WHY WAS WASHINGTON STATE MORE PREPARED THAN BC ???
Because us Canadians think we’re invincible!
Exactly!!
Anyone who lives or builds near a natural water resource is eventually going to end up paying the price of a loss.....2020 and 2021 have been chaotic weather wise for many people around the globe. Government officials change every election and not everyone has the same ideas. Look at the waste of money doing and undoing different projects. Government wastes more time getting nowhere. Pathetic world we reside in.
Thanks for the excellent footage and jouranlism.👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
This is so heartbreaking. First the lake was so abundant it was like an indigenous grocery store. They drained it to create farmland for the colonists and force the indigenous into starvation. Now the government knows there was going to be a problem so they gave the water rights back to the municipalities who couldn't have possibly known the dangers. The government did know the dangers though didn't they? That's how they solved their problem. Pass on the accountability to someone else. Destroy the indigenous communities again and make the people suffer. Just as long as they are not the ones accountable right! Government is supposed to protect their people not allow them to suffer and literally die only to save their own reputations! This is absolute corruption.
It is time to have farmers on emergency committees, whether current or retired. Farmers on a regular basis deal with damage from nature. Should also have other trades on emergency committees. White collars and those who are trained to follow, cannot be leaders in a crisis and crisis prevention.
Farmers and farming contribute in no small way towards damaging nature. It’s certainly appropriate to involve representatives from places other than governmental office on committees to address the issues faced by these communities.
The weather is not going to get better. Canada has the best engineers. Our native and indigenous peoples. The government has done studies and never asked the indigenous to sit in to remedy the problems. This is unacceptable.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! indigenous land use practices are the answer. We need to listen to indigenous people and let them guide us through this when they offer to, and support them in every way we can because they know the land better than the government ever will.
Last time I checked .... they didn't escape the landslides or floods either.... I'm also not familiar with Native highway engineering practices back in the day... feel free to prove me wrong though. In fact I believe most tribes were nomadic and usually moved to different locations depending on the season.
@@brianweir9885 It is a misconception that all First Nations had a traditionally nomadic lifestyle. Ironically, BC is one of the places where communities were predominantly sedentary, and managed the land in a way that would allow for literal thousands of years of occupancy. All northwest coastal First Nations in BC, and most BC mainland First Nations (where this flooding is taking place) were not and are not nomadic. Seasonal nomadic lifestyles were more common among Inuit and interior indigenous groups and had more to do with seasonal food availability than avoiding disasters. And the fact that First Nations were also affected is why this is so important. If their knowledge is actually listened to by policymakers, many disasters like this could be avoided. Also, from what I read, I'm pretty sure op is not referring to highway engineering. They are referring to traditional land use practices (metaphorical "landscape engineering") that prevent disasters like landslides, wildfires, famines, etc. Because First Nations have lived in BC for thousands of years longer than settlers have, their knowledge is extremely valuable. Traditional land use practices from indigenous groups all over the world could help us prevent or mitigate natural disasters.
A few resources if you want to learn about traditional ecological knowledge and land management (feel free to let me know if you want any more info)
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13280-019-01218-6
www.researchgate.net/publication/304922117_Integration_of_Indigenous_Methods_of_Landslide_Risk_Reduction_into_National_Disaster_Management_Framework_Himadri_Maitra
www.ictinc.ca/blog/indigenous-fire-management-and-traditional-knowledge
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2019.00436/full
www.idrc.ca/sites/default/files/openebooks/683-6/index.html
God bless!
@@pinnipedwithhumanqualities5276 I will commend you on getting me to click on the first link only to find what I thought I would. Useless information in relation to the current issue in Sumas, (or Merrit for that matter) that lead to a mass of other links, all of which I'm sure would be equally useless when dealing with global supply chains, mass population and.. money. I know we like to put the Indigenous people up a pedestal now a days... However, they are still just people... and to suggest they weren't victims of nature disasters in the past is just plain false, if they were nomadic or not. It wouldn't take any culture centuries to realize weather and environmental patterns and adapt. The fact you have to tell me what you think the op was referring to just proves his original statement wasn't that strong to start out with... Natives have no magical engineering knowledge for building train tracks through mountains, highways through valleys, or city's by rivers that makes them a must -go- to for planning. Which is what we are dealing with... not "traditional" land uses. However.. should I ever look to start a settlement of 50 or less in a remote area... I will consider seeking out an elder for a story or 2.
@@brianweir9885 I think you would find "Sacred Ecology" by FIkret Berkes and interesting read.
Wow!! My sister lives in Meritt...hasn't answered any messages. I hear they're OK but this film really brought it home for me. As with everything you do...Mind Your Wake.
Humans don't get to command nature and make it obey us without question, but we're still empowered to assist one another through any calamities! My condolences neighbors.
Drain a lake and water levels in the area rise you are going to have a lake again.
😢 this is what happens when our government sends our tax dollars to other countries to fix their roads and buildings while ours literally crumble😢
It went to dictator's that bought gold AK47's and manchettes to keep the population under control.
Coastal provinces, States, and countries are all at risk now. Climate change is here, it's severe, and coming faster than anyone could ever imagine. The last month here in Canada has proven the effects of it with flooding in BC, and the Maritimes.. it's only going to get worse at this point, and sadly I really don't think there's much we can do to stop it. Humans have created this mess!😔
Sending prayers for everyone, pets, farm animals! 🇨🇦♥️
Government, corporations and police seem to be about the same either side of our border.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes
They are all the same worldwide and that is fulthy and looking out for the highest bidder
Truth
CANADAS LAWLESS CRIMINALS IN BLUE
without a WRITTEN CONSTITUTION . SYSTEM OF LAW
what are these people doing on the land inflicting admiralty law
for profits Off of man and woman and child
NOT OPERATING COMMERCIALLY OR ON THE SEA
This is sobering and saddening. I appreciate the transparency. Please keep it coming. Beautifully done, Fifth Estate.
Thank you to all volunteers
Gotta love that dog rescue, cutest thing ever! 26:07
I think this situation is WHY we are failing the planet. Too few inexperienced political figures, no coordination. No future thinking. It's terrifying. I live in the Fraser Valley. Sigh.
Short term instead of long term. No people know what our Canada 50 years plan is. No long term plans agreed among the parties. Lots successful business planning framework is available, but.. Lots people we elected don’t have solid professional experience and competence. We focus too much on what politicians said instead of what promises they delivered with solid record. No score cards to evaluate the politicians performance annually. should?
Its really about the money, its not the inexperience, its human greed. These politicians have only there own interests at heart.
That Frasier river causes trouble. In May 1894 it ran 8 meters high flood because of snowmelt. Abbotsford not always farmland because it was a lake. Nature made it a lake again.
There was an interview with a person who was so grateful that the previous owner of their house had raised it up, so only the first floor flooded. In another community the building that houses the seniors centre has flooded twice over the years and they are still wanting to rebuild it in the same spot even though they can't get insurance. It's nuts.
yea from the pic's you can see the water is roof top..no salvage anything on those farms after a winter under water.
What a shock! No government help!🤯
Ouch! I'd think twice before moving to BC. Forest fires, floods, great distances from other Canadian cities...
Farnworth is a joke. Listen to him talk around and around without answering any real question. He will be out ASAP.
Can Adrian and Bonnie go with him too ?
Would like to see Marc Kelly investigation on therapeutics such as iver. This would blow the lid off vaccine mandates and passports.
No he won't, that's not how government works.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit against his department and government.
Thank you again Mark Kelley - your report is excellent as usual. Thank you for your pointed questions to the BC government.
I think it is about time we start listening to the message of the Indigenous People and their Elders and respect the world we live in and Mother Earth!
I agree. I should like to see creation of a Nature Stewardship department at the federal and provincial levels and led by indigenous elders. White men will never, ever get it. Too conditioned to greed.
The thoughts of Indigenous people and their elders should have almost nothing to do with civil planning.( Except they have as much right to vote as any other citizen) Beyond that they're not they're not sages or or mystics or profits. The same people that blame everything on essentially debunked global warming are the same people that think that Anyone that is not of European heritage is somehow more pure and righteous than the rest of us. Seriously give me a concrete plan from an indigenous person or one of their elders. Not some vague idea that somehow they are more one with nature sir then European descended people. They engaged in slash and burn forestry, wared among one another for hunting grounds,captured and enslaved each other.
It's nice to see more citizen awareness to the governments response/attentive care to its citizens. Because its clear IT DOESN'T EXIST and they just want ur non essential monies no matter what they throw at the provinces
Sending love to all affected 💞🙏