Sadogashima Offensive, Operation 21st (PART ONE) | Muv-Luv Alternative Battle Records
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Christmas Day, 2001. The stage has been set for humanity's counter-attack against the BETA. At Sadogashima, Imperial Japanese troops return to the island alongside forces of the United Nations. These allies will bring to bear every weapon and tactic available to them in order to win, as the future of UN efforts in the war will be decided by the outcome of this offensive.
In the world of Muv-Luv Alternative, humanity is at war with an alien race designated as the BETA. Due to the nature of their foe, mankind has developed Tactical Surface Fighters (TSFs) to better adapt to the battlefields of this new war. However, none of this has ever stopped humanity from engaging in their squabbles against one another.
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I swear I can't tell if refusing to acknowledge Takeru is the most meta shit ever or something else entirely lol xD.
Lol he was a civilian who died in 1998 and that's all that history shows.
Lmao
So... I found a super high quality unknown youtuber who covers a amazing anime in even better detail then historians do with real history. Gonna sub to your patreon beginning of the new month!
That's some high praise, thanks! Your support means a lot too. I'm glad you found the channel, because there will be a lot more to come
@yamamotomechbattles Looking forward to it! If I can offer any recommendations look up the anime blue gender! 👍
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43:43
Yamamotomechbattles:Hayase in order to secure a route allowed for one of her surface pilots to break off from the Assault group and create a diversion through the Herd.
Me: Takeru finally gets to shine I see.
Yup
Ah yes, the moment where humanity get another chance for another winning steak that they've believed in
Blessed the Stingray bois and we owe them lots of beer for the beachhead
They were putting in work from the very start!
If I may say so myself, this is extremely well done and in the same quality as I would expect from Operations Room! Thanks for making this video.
You're welcome! I love that channel, so your compliment goes a long way. Thanks for saying that
Idk why I havent subbed to your patreon before, but its time to change that
Thank you! Your aid is very much appreciated. Welcome to the special task force
@@yamamotomechbattleswhat episode is this? I've watched a few episodes of Muv-luv now, but the non-combat stuff bores me alot (especially the alternate dimensions machine thing), so I wanna watch the good combat scenes first
This is literally The Operations Room anime edition. I love it.
Lol yep, essentially. Thanks for watching
Indeed it is.
Oh yeah I forgot about Operation Rooms I should watch more
I've only experienced the Anime and this really does clarify where everyone was fighting on the island. I need to rewatch this battle now after seeing this video. Great job on another successful video.
Thanks man! Yeah I'm glad to kind of slow down the fast pace of the show into something that explains who, what, when, where, and why. The VN tends to explain a lot, and can't always depict the action happening as much as the anime can. Enjoy your rewatch.
PLEASE read the VN, the anime doesn't hold a candle to it
To correct a mistake I made that a supporter pointed out: When the Orbital Divers make their descent, I mistakenly said "24 km/h"....that's supposed to be 24,000 km/h.
And, a few discrepancies between the sources I wanted to note...
In the Codex, the IJN Ookuma is the carrier on which the Valkyries embark before the operation. It is an Osumi-class transport. In the anime, they simplified it by just saying they boarded the IJN Osumi. I went with the anime just to not confuse between the medium which may have been more commonly seen.
There are 13 Valkyries in the anime, where the distraction was done by Valkyrie 11. I went with the canon 12 Valkyries.
The IJN Marines' 19th Tactical Armor Squadron "Salamander", don't appear in the VN or Codex version of the battle. They appear in the Codex elsewhere on a list, as well as in TDA, where they banter with Lilia while storming the beach. The anime added a single line of dialogue during the Echo landing which went "This is Salamander 1, Ryotsu City has been secured" and I figured since they were going in with all the cameos and references by that point in s2, it made sense for it to be the same squadron.
The anime, codex and vn depict a certain bratty, whiny teenager. But we, after countless hours of poring through Japanese census records, could find no evidence that a Shirogane Takeru served in the IJF or UN military. We have to work on evidence here, because if we don't, I might as well say the UN were pulling people from another dimension to help them out or something. And THAT would be ridiculous!
Where did you get the source that Iowa, Kentucky, and all the American Battleships fought in Sado?
Also, to be fair to your analysis, if I remember, the VN also said that the Valkyries departed off the Oosumi. At least the 1.0 (original 2007 release) and Ameterasu Translation did (The Pre-Official subtitles).
Also, technically, the Japanese Census DOES say that there was a Shirogane Takeru, but according to IRG reports and Lieutenant Tsukuyomi, he's deceased. And everyone knows that Tsukuyomi is trustworthy because she's a best girl.
@@daishomaru7682 The American battleships are listed in the codex, when it details the forces which participated. I was unsure if they were on lend-lease or were American sailors, but Takeru specifically notes that Echo is made up of the US Navy (when Yuuko tells him the XG-70b might've been sabotaged).
Good point with the Oosumi, I think I recall there is a snippet of dialogue as the Valkyries are launching that comes from an "Osumi Operator"
Yeah Tsukuyomi and Yoroi Sakon found out he died in 1998. I was just saying no Shirogane was ever found to have served in the military.
A bit late maybe, yet still wanted to mention that you actually did the right thing putting Salamanders there. Because they WERE in the novel. At the moment of Echo unit moving out (Valkyries taking off from the TSF carrier, to be more specific). There are no subtitles for it, but, listening closely, you can hear that exact phrase being said in Japanese: "This is Salamander 1, Ryotsu City has been secured". And the HQ answering them as well. So the anime just copied from the VN, not added a cameo.
9:44
Yamamotomechbattles: Researchers have also been hard at work making a computer only known as the 00 Unit.
Me: Welp I completely forgot about that other thing that Takeru did in one month that every researcher in the UN couldn't do in all the time of Alternative IV's years.
Legends abound regarding what it takes to make the 00 Unit work. We'll never truly know anything concrete about such a classified object.
A shame War Ensemble isn't translated, it *spoilers* covers the defense line of Niigata and the evacuation of sado in-between the period of the invasion of the island and Muv-Luv Alternative with a focus on armored infantry, would make a great video, anyway, good work as always
Yeah that info would go a LONG way to helping me out. Plus, Teito Moyu too. I really want to do Fall of Kyoto at some point
Every single upload is of fantastic caliber. this history is better than actual history.
Sadogashima offensive is one of my favourite battles of the series, And I'll be tuned up for Part 2.
Thank you very much for your hard work.
You're welcome! The history of this world is so incredibly thought out. Yes, I nerd out over it way more than I nerd about history and our world lol
Yes! New Video! And now Operation 21st!
I love This Videos Because i can really understand the situation. Thanks!
You're welcome! Glad to lay out all the lore and positions for you
4:08
Yamamotomechbattles: In order to give their forces an edge, UN researchers and commanders at Yokohama Base had spent years devising multiple experimental means by which to ultimately turn the tide against the BETA. By October of 2001 a revolutionary new operating system for TSF's had entered it's proof of concept stage.
With field tests demonstrating its ability to raise pilots survival and combat effectiveness through increasing TSF maneuverability by 30%
Me: So you're telling me that Takeru did better in Operating Systems in 1 month, than EVERY SINGLE RESEARCHER IN THE UNITED NATIONS DID FOR THE ENTIRE WAR.
Yep. The power of playing video games I guess lol
Although Yuuko did the hard work. He just gave the idea and said what he wanted to make the TSF do. I do wonder how plausible it is that no one else came up with the idea
I think it’s because takaru gained some of those knowledge from Video Games knowledge consoles, mecha fiction stories( it maybe unrealistic and fantasy as hell but it give general understanding and knowledge what the mech can do) , plus not sure if this count but apparently you’re used to riding roller coaster a lot then you would have a easy time with the TSF simulation.
Just so know, All these knowledge and traits are all comes from pop culture and entertainment. Which is something people from earth who are invaded by Beta do not have that. They all got canceled because people all are spending budget in the military.
Another stellar video as always. Ty for making these. If I can rec possibly another noteable mecha vn, there's a few multi-stage battles like Muv's in Full Metal Daemon Muramasa. Specifically, there's one near the end of the true/muramasa route that I think you might like.
You're welcome! And thanks for sharing new mecha stuff, I'll have to check it out when I get the chance. I love in-depth and well constructed battles
Operation 21st battle record! Was looking forward to it, it's amazing to see how much work you put into this first part, fantastic video as usual!
Thanks as always! Yeah I worked pretty hard on it, so I'm happy you enjoyed it man
I SO want to make a brigade or divisional level war-game based on Muv-Luv. My platoon/ company level game has seen some success at conventions but it needs to go bigger!
It would be perfect. That's similar to how I'd envision a game to be -- being in charge of a UN STF at battalion size, with XCOM like characters for the pilots and gameplay like Regiments. You'd have the ability to assist in theaters all over the world so as to work alongside in-universe units/characters.
But for now, I hear there is a Hearts of Iron 4 Muv Luv mod in Chinese that's supposed to be decent. You should check it out if you haven't already.
@@yamamotomechbattles I meant for tabletop wargaming but ok. I'll take a gander.
hol up, you've made a company level wargame for Muv Luv? that's fucking awesome man, you gotta share that
@@Hy93Ri0n
It’s better being more macro; division or Corp level. That’s gonna be expensive at 1/285 or 6mm but 1/144; it’s ok.
So after toying with the idea for 6 months now; I am finally writing down my plans to create a table top miniature ruleset that uses 6mm (1/285) brigade level games; thus meaning a division should take up 6-10 stands for tanks with artillery (that is oddly missing) and SPAA as well as for the TSF regiments, a third stand equalling to a squadron and a full base is a Battalion and a regiment will have 2-3 Battalions.
A typical BETA Herd will be 3-5k strong, split between 1 base of Heavy Laser, 1-2 bases of Fort, 1-2 bases of Destroyer, 3-4 bases of Grappler and 6-8 bases of Tank class.
Game mechanics are still being thought out but game testing could begin as early as next month.
Sounds awesome. Feel free to share pics or updates, whether it's just rulebook stuff or miniature designs...I'd love to see it happen
The German army of world war 1 is shaking its head in shame at their terrible lack of ammunition supply and artillery density, you can always have more and it’s an existential threat. If you can’t fire a few hundred thousand shells in 30 minutes and still have enough to remodel anything that looks kind of sus for the duration of operations you are doing it wrong.
The stingray and salamander TSFs are pretty baller though that’s what they need, not better maneuverability or more swords, they need more gun. Vore-monsters can’t eat you if everything between you and them is lead, fire and overpressure.
It's true, they needed more and they needed those supply ships moving back and forth from the very beginning. It seems like they only thought to initiate a supply run once their stores became questionable. Huge mistake on their part imo. That being said, I think this part of the frontline is relatively weak in terms of production when compared to the US. That's why they emphasize swords, because they already know running out of ammo is the norm and their government won't agree to expend all munitions on one operation. Plus, the follow up operation is worldwide, and Japan wanted to have supplies for that one too. So yeah they were being stingy to the troops on the ground.
Solid video 10/10.
Makes me wanna write a fanfic based on the perspective of a Japanese Type-90 tank/ Type-87 SPAA crew in the Whiskey unit on one of the most important victory for humanity.
Do it! Would love to read it. I would never want to be on the ground, but the perspective of someone who has to be is always great to explore in this setting
@@yamamotomechbattles I already wrote a story focused on a Soviet T-80 tank crew for Operation Cherry Blossom on the Evensk hive capture so this one might feel redundant. My next story is focusing on a attack boat crew but it's on indefinite hiatus because I have no clue how to write naval units. I already did a motorized infantry, a tank company and a helicopter squadron fighting BETA. I'm planning to write 5 different combined arms unit, 3 of which is done but life stuff is picking up so it's never gonna finish at this rate.
@@aces6262 do you have link for your work?
@@jerryalbus1492 Have I replied to you?
@@aces6262 not yet.
Uff I had to watch this video with google at hand because it was a pretty lore intensive one.
Oh I know. I know for sure. I had to rewatch/read the battle multiple times, in multiple mediums lol
I often wonder why tactical nuclear weapons never seem to be widely used, or used at all, in these large, critical engagements.
Laser class will always shoot them down no matter what.
Nukes are useless af.
If they can get the nukes past the laser species, even then it'd irradiate the battlefield and the ground they're trying to reclaim. The BETA don't care about that, but the humans can't recapture land they can't use or will have trouble fortifying. So nukes were used a lot at the start in China and once when the BETA landed in Canada, but eventually fallout kept becoming an issue. In orbit, nukes are still used by satellite systems, which intercept landing hives. In one timeline, these nukes have been used on Earth twice -- once against the US-Japan alliance, and once against a BETA hive.
@@yamamotomechbattles Hydrogen bombs does not irradiate the land as much as opposed to fusion bombs, Muv-Luv should really touch on this. Maybe a TSF platform or unit specifically used to punch through Laser lines with almost strictly hydrogen bombs.
43:46 Takeru! MY boy!
cool vid also a lot of unsung heroes such as tank crews, infantry, navy and the Apache pilots
Very much so. I couldn't imagine the balls it takes to be a tanker landing on this island.
@@yamamotomechbattles agreed being a tanker is already a death sentence if the BETA was detected too late since you cant outran them also being a pilot of an attack helicopter is suicidal if Laser class is active. Lastly the infantry is pretty a terrifying job i forgot but in East Germany it was mentioned that infantry is more cheaper than a TSF pilot
@@joshuajoaquin5099 Yeah they just handed those guys AKs and RPGs and said the commissars would shoot them if they retreated. Not fun
@@yamamotomechbattles Yeah man being infantry in muv luv universe sucks, i highly doubt even a guerilla warfare will work against them. In my opinion BETA is one of the most terrifying alien to fight that even with TSF or any advance tech they are just way too many to fight
@@joshuajoaquin5099 Yeah you could never go underground or fortify a building like with most aliens or zombies. The BETA force you into a conventional, head-on war where they have the advantage. This series has just the right balance of humanity kicking ass but still losing to the aliens at the same time.
Yess.....Yesss the battle breakdown I've been waiting for. Good job man for explaining the strategy and the phases of this chaotic battle 😁❤️
Thank you! Happy to lay it all out as straightforward as possible. It was chaotic for sure
amazing video
I want to watch the second season of alternative so bad!
They need to do more! We have to see how they depict the Yokohama Defense and Cherry Blossom
Nicely done guys! Appreciate the quality content and impressive narrating (imo) just in time for me to enjoy a marathon of your battlerecords so far 😎👌
Thanks, appreciate you diving in. Enjoy!
Waited so long Thank you
You're welcome! Here to deliver, and the next one is already on the way
I absolutely LOVE these videos, Sir. Adding this deeper, more in-depth breakdown of the tactics and the bigger picture. I was going to ask if and when the day comes you run out of Muv-luv battles to breakdown, if you'd branch out to other shows but I noticed you already have one Gundam video out. Either way, as a bit of an "Arm-chair general", this really hits all the sweet spots. Keep up the amazing content and I cannot wait for part 2.
Thanks! I do the armchair general-ing myself a lot haha
There are definitely a few more Gundam ideas in the works. Those have been much more likely to bring copyright issues, but Universal Century is very rich in this kind of lore too
Once again YT not notifying me of your excellent well made battle record videos D:
Still amazing work as always, I can't wait for part 2. Also since I'm responding on this day Kotobukiya have announced that the Fubuki in imperial japanese army color's, Fubuki UN colors with Blast Guard Loadout, the Gekkashin and Takeru's Type-00 from The Day After is are currently in the works for retail release. So that's pretty cool!
Awesome picks for new models, especially that black Takemikazuchi. Thanks for watching, working on pt2 as we speak
Yes!!!
Hype!
Excellent and cover the Chicken as well
Still the fight far from over
Yes, couldn't forget them! Much more to come, for sure
@@yamamotomechbattles yeah everyone who survive the day after dies for the win
Thanks for the video
You're welcome!
Earned yourself a sub maté please keep making this content
Thanks! I definitely will, keep an eye out for part 2
Hell yaeh, ya back!! :DD
Hell yeah!
YES
Hell yeah!
Sweet! I need a new mech anime to watch and stumbled upon this and it turns out I've seen one of the adaptations already but didn't know there was more :)
Haven't gotten so far in the vid but it looks well made :)
Thank you! Hope you enjoy it
36:08 Beta literally like a fire ants when enemy destroying their nest and there will be horde of fire ants attacking fiercely toward the enemy that attacking the nest without hesitate & and become their food at the end.
For real. It's disgustingly crazy how millions of ants are all over underground when you just see a thousand swarming their hill. The BETA are just like that. Imagine fighting your way into one of those.
ZAMN!
Hell yeah bruther!
bro thank you so much for this
You're welcome man!
Love your videos, m8
Thanks friend! Glad you enjoyed it
You deserve a lot more subs and views
Thank you, that means a lot
Yes, another video from our Muv Luv overlord. Seriously, you are probably the only one covering this universe in such detail. I do have some things that I want to point out though.
First, the Mogami. The wiki classifies her as a Heavy cruiser, while the codex classifies her as a Large cruiser. Yes there is a difference. Heavy cruisers don't have guns bigger than 8 inch. Large cruisers had larger guns. The Alaska had 12 inch guns, the B-65 had 12.2 inch and the Kronstadt class, classified as a Heavy cruiser by the Soviets and a battlecruiser by others (large cruisers are sometimes called battlecruisers), had *checks the wiki* 15 inch guns...................WAIT WHAT!!!!
Second, where the F*CK are the missile launchers of the A-6 placed? Are they on the submarine? Why are they added as armament of the TSA? Are they on the Intruder itself? Where?
Finally, is there a reason why Shirogane is not mentioned by name? Is it because of him being a causality conductor? His actions are remembered, but not his name kind of thing?
Other than that, great video, can't wait to see more.
Thanks for the ship clarification! I'm certainly not a Navy man myself, so all I know is "little/big boat with guns" or "big boat with planes" or "underwater boat" lol
The A-6 has those two big cannons hanging over its shoulders, but I've never seen how missiles are fired from the thing. Maybe the shoulder cannons can be swapped in some way to launch them? We could use a short story following an A-6 pilot.
Yeah Takeru doesn't "exist" to the narrator/historian. Only Yuuko and Kasumi remember him. That's why I said the Valkyries were all female.
@@yamamotomechbattles The thing is that both the codex and wiki talk about the missile launchers as part of the A-6. But then there is the question what is the A-6? Is it just the mech or is it both the mech and the submarine?
If it is just the mech, and the missile launchers are on the sub, why mentione it as part of the TSAs armament?
If it is both, why is it not mentioned in either sources?
I'll try to look into it. I'll tell you what I find.
@@ladikthrawn7078 Please do, that'd be great to know. All I ever knew was that the Swordfish-Class submarine often surfaced behind the landing point to fire the missiles, but I think the vessel would be separate from the A-6 itself because it has its own crew and everything.
@@yamamotomechbattles So, I didn't find any definitive placement of the missile launchers, but I do have some theories. Definitelly doesn't help the fact that the wiki does not list the source of their inforation.
What I found:
1) the A-6 does have missile launchers, NORMALLY. This comes from the interview about the mech design in the codex. I thought that they were optional, like on the A-12, but no.
2) they are supposed to work like push up pencils. The missile is ejected and then the propelant is ignited.
This means that there are two possible places on the TSA where they can be placed.
One is on the hands, the place where there are three four-sided covers on the top and bottom of the arm. One is for launching, the other is for loading. I think.
The second is on the sides of the arms and the top of the shoulder arms. There are long parts on there that look like they could be pushed outwards, allowing to launch the missile.
I wanted to make video about the A-6 and the placement of the launchers pretty much halted any progres on writing the script. So this helps me a little.
Also, I noticed the small pause after the North Americana. It's hard not to pronounce the names of the companies on our Earth, rather than the Muv luv ones right
@@ladikthrawn7078 Yeah that was what I imagined. Maybe something like an internal weapons bay, some sort of door or lift opens, and the missile can launch. It'd be the only way to design a launcher on something that's meant to be streamlined for underwater movement.
Lol yep those names get me every time! No mentions of Boening in this video, but I'll probably have to say it when I get back around to covering TE 😂
*Klendathu Drop intensifies*
Would you like to know more?
Yoooo this is a big one
You're telling me! Took forever to make, it's my longest one, and it's only half the battle
@@yamamotomechbattles good work man its a great video
@@yamamotomechbattles Maybe when you have time do a video about how Bate hive work? I think it will be kind short and will help with your future projects
This is crazy...
Welcome!
Excelente video amigo!!!
Lo digo en serio 😆
No esperaba que hablaras tan pronto de la Operación 21 especialmente por todo el contexto llegado a este punto y como la propia historia de la operación
Un tema que podrías hablar a futuro en tus videos seria la batalla defensiva de la invasión de Niigata del 11 de Noviembre y las diferencias, como transcurrió y las consecuencia de este tanto en Unlimited como en Alternative
Una cosa mas, hubo otra invasión a Niigata en el 2001 y fue en Febrero aunque es solo mencionada porque no tiene tanta información como la de Noviembre el cual Shirogane fue testigo
Por lo que entendí, dado como estaba creciendo la Colmena 21 de Fase 4 a Fase 5 sus túneles subterráneos al seguir expandiéndose iba a terminar justo debajo de las mismas líneas defensivas lo cual permitiría fácilmente a los BETA atravesar en futuras invasiones
Por ultimo, interesante eso que dijiste que la oleada inesperado que apareció de BETA que ataco a las fuerzas de infiltración de la ONU provino de una BETA clase Carrier
De eso, en que te vasas que fue desplegado en esa batalla?
Por lo que recuerdo, su primera aparición en Alternative fue durante el asalto con la Colmena Original Kashgar
Como todo lo que dijiste en el comentario, espero tu respuesta y perdon, como la otra vez, que te comente en mi idioma Español
No need to be sorry. Thanks for the in-depth reply! I hope I've translated this right...
The two different Niigata invasions would be a great idea. Once I start to do Unlimited battle records, I could discuss the two difference versions between Alternative and Unlimited. It'll probably be after I've exhausted most of Alternative's currently available battles.
Yeah the Carrier-Class was first visually seen during the Kashgar infiltration. But one of the pilots -- I think it was Yoroi -- noted how the seismic waveform signature was the same reading which had been detected at Yokohama and Sadogashima. The Orbital Divers also note how the BETA were somehow able to quickly digging upwards (like an elevator) at a speed which they believed impossible. In my opinion, I think Carrier-san came over from the mainland, digging a tunnel under the Sea of Japan -- this tunnel also allowed tens of thousands to just follow right behind him on their way to Sado.
Takeru is definitely warhammer 40k worthy
Man's a legend for sure
finally
Hope you enjoyed! Thanks
This is based on military files. Takeru existence is top secret.
I saw the newer muv luv many years back and didnt know there was a bigger series. What is the name of the original animated series
Muv Luv Alternative is the new series. Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken are the spin-offs, even though they were adapted earlier.
23:35 those are bio lasers
They're quite nasty to see. But if you get hit, you won't even know it anymore
this was amazing, cant wait for part 2. but i have a question: based on the information gathered from operation 21st and of the beta, how do you feel our current military tech/doctrine would fair in a similar situation?
I think we rely a lot on indirect fire and airpower. Once the BETA neutralize those with lasers, it'd be a war of attrition on the ground. Our best bet would be to set up defensive lines at rivers and lakes, with good crossfire all around...but it'd take the BETA breaking through several of those before we whittled down and neutralized a group or herd.
I don't think we have as efficient a logistics infrastructure or the resupply techniques to be able to sustain a head on war against the BETA either. We'd be expending much more than we ever have in the last few wars. Otherwise, tanks are known to be very effective until they get caught by the enemy.
Our standard infantry loadout would benefit from everyone being a weapons platoon/section. Anyone carrying a rifle, would at the very least have a 40mm grenade launcher. Light infantry in Muv-Luv never did this, but the mechanized, power-suit wearing infantry all came with heavy weapons attached.
TSFs are purpose-built to rush into BETA herds and wipe out Laser-Class. Once they do that, humanity's real advantages of air and arty can be brought into play. So for us, we're kind of screwed.
@@yamamotomechbattles 2nd question: what are ...the top 3 things you feel could have been done different at this point of the operation for a possible better outcome?
@@soulcrossinc3089 Hmmm good question. There's not a lot that was done incompetently by anyone. But I'll try to answer off the top of my head. Given that the decisions can only be made after where the video ends...
1. After the Susanoo begins firing, they could've had TSFs from Whiskey and whatever Echo TSFs are at Ryotsu detach and link up with A-01. I know secrecy is why they were operating alone, but these units could at least position along the flanks to reinforce it. We already knew the BETA were focusing on it, and Ozawa in the anime already considered the 999th Penal Battalion perfect to use for that kind of mission.
2. Leave more Valkyries to defend the Susanoo, rather than just Kashiwagi (who was sent away anyway). The team led by Hayase sent to clear the way would've probably only needed Tama, Yoroi, Hayase, Kei, and Chizuru (well-balanced team of vanguards, long-ranged, and a gunsweeper). Munakata, Kazama, and Akane would've been a good defensive team to stay and defend the Susanoo. Takeru, Kashiwagi, and Meiya would stay the same as the escort force. But once they link up with Hayase, she and Kashiwagi can turn around to go back and join the Captain's defenders while the newbies escape. There's a good chance they could've set off the self-destruct and all made it away together.
3. Perhaps instead of trying to activate the auto-pilot, Isumi should've just attempted the self-destruct once the former option proved impossible. It would've saved her team some time because of all the switching back and forth between back-up plans. That way they'd have to fend off less BETA, and could then rush to make the evacuation from the blast in time. I don't know if she would've been able to time when the Rutherford Field activates, but this assumes she can give herself enough time to rush out into her TSF, board, and fly away as the Rutherford Field turns on over time.
All in all, it's pretty hard. I can only really add my input based on hindsight. But I do think Isumi was trying really hard to ensure all of her squadron survived so they wouldn't be sacrificed then and there, and THAT led to her and Kashiwagi not having enough support. Otherwise, all the units behaved competently and believably, simply doing what little they could by that point.
i wish theres one for Operation Lucifer
I've really been considering how I might be able to do it. I want to know a lot more of the tactical details first
W channel
Thanks!
So do nukes not work on these things and their hives?
XD
They have moderate effects. The only reason North America was never invaded was because when a Hive touched down in Canada, they went ahead and launched several nukes where it landed, rendering a good portion of Canada too irradiated to inhabit but getting rid of it. Nukes are also used in orbit against future landing attempts. It's actually noted in the VN where the MC thinks about how they refuse to use nukes on Eurasia because they only kill BETA on the surface and will irradiate the land they hope to reclaim, and yet they will liberally use heavy metal clouds and depleted uranium rounds despite those being harmful to the environment as well.
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And they also refuse to use Nukes.
Yet they use Fricking G Bombs.
Which from what I've seen of The Day After.
Is way way way way worse than Nukes will ever be.
@@yamamotomechbattles that bugging my head for so long the heavy metal clouds uses maybe lead dust or other highly dense materials powderize to create a dust screen and also depleted uranium which can cause cancer like in iraq do the author know its ecological effects or in his story made the humans desperate to beat the beta. Also if they do recapture Eurasia what are there going to do quarantine the continent again and let the clean up crews clear all of those depleted uranium slags which is impossible also how are there going to remove the heavy metal dust in the soil. These would take decades to do unless there is a revolutionary technology that can terraform the continent which also takes years to make it suitable for human settlements
I new to muv luv. Where to even start?!
Anyway excelent video. Looking forward for more.
Thanks for watching, and welcome! There's definitely more to come. On my channel, chronologically, the German setting takes place first. If you want to dive into the visual novels, check out Muv Luv (it contains the first two parts: Extra and Unlimited), and then Muv Luv Alternative. Then there are many spin-offs and side stories from there. The anime adaptations are fun to watch too, although two out of three are incomplete.
High quality content. Thank you so much for covering one of the best mecha operations i've ever seen! Have you ever heard about break blade? the manga have some great operations, if you did read the series, what do you think about the battles?
I think I've heard of it mentioned to me by a friend. Is it more of a fantasy mecha type of story? If the operations are thorough and well-written, I love that kind of stuff. I'll have to add it to the list.
@@yamamotomechbattles Yes, it does have fantasy elements, but it's somewhat pretty grounded. they use the energy of a material called, "quartz" and use these materials for everyday life stuff and for the mechas(it's something akin to electricity). The battles are based on real life wars, so i don't know if you'll like it.
@@mrsh4dow851 I'm totally down. My favorite fantasy mecha series was Escaflowne way back when. It's a shame it never continued.
I'm curious now, where does one start this series?
Good question lol
In terms of anime, I started with the Total Eclipse spin-off series. I enjoyed it a lot, knew what I was getting out of it and what I wasn't. The first two episodes sets up the world perfectly. For the rest, there was a lot of good action and I liked the dynamic between the MC and all the people he was meeting. It's a good story about growth, but sadly, it stops halfway and you have to play the VN to get the whole story.
Schwarzesmarken is another anime adapted from a spin-off story. It's kind of a prequel, and might require a bit more knowledge about the lore. So it might be better to watch it after Total Eclipse so the setting kind of makes sense. It starts off bleak but is rather masterful in how it gets you to hope the good guys win. It's the only Muv Luv anime adaptation to tell a story from start to finish, which is kind of a big deal to me because I hate when stories I love just get dropped or cancelled.
But to get into Muv-Luv and really understand it, you should start with the visual novel: "Muv Luv". It's on Steam and goes on sale plenty of times. Muv Luv covers the first two parts of the trilogy: Extra (part 1) and Unlimited (part 2). The sequel to those is Alternative (part 3), and it can be found on Steam as "Muv Luv Alternative". The newest anime only adapts the Alternative part, so it's very confusing to start watching from there, but you might get a good sense of the TSFs in action if you watch it.
Thanks.
Though I was also referring to this video series.
@@bloodangelphil Lol I see. Start anywhere. 12-5 Incident was my first, although chronologically in the timeline, the ones about Germany are first
Got it. Thanks for both anyway!
hmm, i really don't see the problem with g-bombs. they hit OBJ 22 with it and then took the base back over so... not sure what's the issue.
Uhhhhhh.
Go read Muv Luv The Day After.
Its the universe where Alternative V takes place.
Lots and lots of G bombs.
Very very bad.
@@jaredjosephsongheng372 :O so I guess the base where OBJ 22 was not a problem? maybe they don't have to use tons of them just thin out the nests. seems reasonable, but i'm only a tourist, no idea why i'm even seeing these... thanks youtube!
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The Base doesn't have a problem due to it being artificial and it was designed to test what are the aftereffects of the G bombs on humans.
However G Bombs were known for rendering a Healthy land completely sterile.
Meaning no biological plants could ever survive in the G bomb affected land.
And it also absolutely f*cks up the Gravity of the location it ends up hitting.
And
*Not really a spoiler*
Due the amount of G Bombs used in Alternative V or "The Day" huge fluctuations in gravity made huge Tsunamis that engulfed all of Europe, Africa and almost all of Asia.
So what's interesting is that the mission in which they were used on the Yokohama Hive (Obj 22), is called Operation Lucifer. The G-Bomb is made from a strange material captured from BETA hives, one that allows for these technological advancements and the first true victory against a hive. Metaphorically, this is Muv Luv's way of depicting how the devil will show up in humanity's darkest hours and offer up a weapon that will solve all of their problems, all they have to do is use it as much as they want. In the spin off series "Muv Luv Unlimited: The Day After", it follows a timeline in which they do bombard the planet, and it has been some of the best post-apocalyptic military sci-fi I've read in a while.
31:57 surely you dont mean 24km/h? that is hella slow
I corrected it in a pinned comment. Meant to say 24000 lol
if they have stuff in orbit, why not just use "rods of god", ie tungsten (or steel) rods dropped from orbit. They are unstoppable, and a single 1 ton spear can deliver nuclear-sized explotions.
But that would make it logical and booring.
That would be the capsules of the orbital divers. Once the TSFs are separated from them, the capsules speed on ahead and crash into the landing zone, creating openings in the ground so that hives can be better infiltrated. But as for larger orbital weapons, the frontline nations are trying to recapture territory, so obliterating Eurasia does not achieve their objectives. Rods of god were used on the moon, I believe, but they created massive clouds of moon dust that only gave unkilled waves of BETA better concealment against ground troops...so they focused less on using them by the time Earth was invaded.
They do already have nuke-laden satellites which intercept new BETA hives from landing, and while those nukes can be used on Earth, they are kept focusing outward because nobody wants to irradiate the Earth to win the war.
The logical approach is heavily considered, hence things like the G-Bomb doctrine, but there are always drawbacks to every plan...it's kind of a huge point in the series. There are good and bad consequences with each decision made.
Sorry, but it's hard to take the name "Lockweed" seriously. 😅
Try working for "Boening" lol
24kmh sounds slow.
I made a pinned comment correcting it to 24000
@@yamamotomechbattles Whoa. I thought it was 24km/s. That's even faster!
WOOOO operation 21st. Can't wait for yokohama base defense
I hope it'll be good. Will likely be lengthy too. Loving the Xenogears/saga reference you have
@@yamamotomechbattles that feeling when someone else finally gets it