There are no more excuses for Nikola Jokic | Hoops Tonight
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Jason Timpf discusses why Nikola Jokic needs to put his foot down as the best player in the world and deliver a monster Game 3 performance for the Denver Nuggets against Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Will Jokic rise to the challenge?
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Jokic 100% deserves criticism. What other superstar wouldn’t get it? Y’all so soft on this man for no reason. He’s a great player no doubt but he deserves some criticism ESPECIALLY if he gets swept.
He doesn't care about that.
Yeah, he doesn't care. He doesn't care if you soft or hard. Everybody is wasting their breath and air time.
Embiid. Everyone gives Embiid a pass.
If he was black this would be a legacy game
@@Arn3z he is the superstar, just like embiid is a choker, JOKIC must show he is not!
the problem is that there‘s probably no one who cares less about Jokić‘ Legacy than Jokić himself 😢
I agree Joker should be criticized but he doesn’t go around saying he is the goat or saying he’s the best player in the league
His own fans brought this on him
He has nothing to prove
@@aquamarine56yes he does
@calmguy4291 he already did it. From being the 41st pick to becoming a champion last year, with no all-star teammates, and giving Denver its 1st ring. From 0 appearance in the playoffs in 2014-18, he brought Nuggets to the playoffs for 6 consecutive years. Of course, fans want more. As a fan of Gru, am already satisfied. You cannot win it all.
@@aquamarine56 the fact that you have fans out here saying that this guy is a better offensive player than Micheal Jordan Kobe and more skilled than Hakeem and Kareem he has everything to prove or just say that he hasn’t been and will never be on those dudes level
Jokic is legit the only reason why I watch basketball and I agree with everything you said. He has to step up! There are no excuses! Figure it out, or at least show that you put up a fight... the criticism is warranted
Jason's credibility is on the line 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you can hear the fear and frustration in his voice
Jokic doesn't care. You said it yourself. It's simple. The most watched sports channel in Serbia interviewed Jokic, asked him about what is his greatest sporting achievement, what do you think he answered. Not an NBA champion, not a silver medal at the Olympics. The answer was Duzianca. It is a local horse race, about which 99.9999 percent of people in Serbia have no idea, and maybe 10 people in the world know about it. That's how much Jokic is interested in his achievements in basketball.
I understand that he prefers his passion, horses and horse racing, but cmon, NBA champ or what he did in the olympics is objectively better, especially considering it's not his biggest passion.
@Bobro350 Plays as hard as anyone if we ignore his non existence on defense.
He cares. You don't get as good at basketball as he is without caring. You don't transform your body like he did if you don't care.
@@jboogie45213 right lol. he was in Serbia and answered a niche achievement for a Serbian event. Sounds like maybe he wanted to shine light on that more than the NBA which needs no light shining. Something that means more to Serbian people than a North American Basketball championship
Just because he loves horseracing more does not mean he just don't care. You don't just end up the MVP in the best league in the world while being one of the least athletic if u don't care. He is just not obsessed with it like most great players.
These takes are so lame, so prisoner of the moment. A week ago no one would bet wed be talking about "Jokic's legacy being in jeopardy" today. They lost 2 games, they have a tough matchup for their team.
Recall Larry Bird got swept by the Bucks in the first round in 1983, the next year he wins a ring, MVP, and finals MVP. Anyone remember that Bucks sweep as "damaging" to his legacy? Prisoner of the moment
facts. Now everyone gonna dunk on him went he isn't the reason why his team is losing those games. Its such a shame he gonna receive so much scrutiny because players like Jamal,KCP,The mediocre bench and on and off Gordon are playing their worst basketball of the season.
While other teams are having like 3 and 4 All Stars and All NBA players next to their best players to help them carry the load.
People right now are such a prisoner of the moment and acting like this is the end of Jokic career.
Ah yes birds 3rd year in the league being compared to jokic at the peak of his prime winning a mvp this season while underperforming all playoffs is very comparable
Dude is a corporate sellout or just tryna get clicks
He is just a bitter clown he was just waiting for it to happen so he can hate on Jokic dudes analysis are mostly trash he just a clown
@@gunny-lneck4352 underperforming all playoffs? You mean the last two games. He's 27, 15, and 9 on 63TS% all playoffs. Last series he was 28, 16, and 10 on 67TS%.
Exactly! 🙌🏻 Anybody considered the best SHOULD be criticized just like Lebron or Jordan.
The difference is Jokic never said he was the best. Ppl just started saying it and projecting it on to him. He only cares about his horses
@chrisc7528 what kinda excuse is that. most players dont say there the best in the world before there the best anyway. its usually already established. his own fan base and the media is calling him that. thats enough.
Just because his fans did doesn't mean anything
It’s not Joker dependent. Front office screwed up. No bench, no serviceable back up point guard. Owners screwed up by letting Connelly go. Jokers greatness is making teammates better. Teammates are insufficient and not healthy
I might be mistaken, but the only players that played well last game were the backup guards
If he has to have every advantage in the world to win, he’s not the best player in the world
Let's add to that. Signing zeke to a four year contract And dude doesn't even see the court....
@@Lemonpepperwett one game is less relevant than overall performance. You will agree loss of Bruce Brown and Jeff Green was not adequately addressed. It was known Murray can be injury prone and this was not addressed. Kroenkes screwed up when they let Connelly go
@@Nate-vq8wy agreed
The problem now is that the Nuggets have faced 2 different and distinct Wolves teams and lost to both of them. The Wolves officially have multiple ways to beat this nuggets team and they can switch back and forth at will. How does Denver even gameplan for that?
Exact same starting 5 Denver gentleman swept last year, with Ant having identical ppg. Narrative is outta control - Denver is just more banged up. Bad timing on fatigue and injuries, they haven't looked right all postseason. You just won't hear that and hot takes reign supreme rn.
lets see how good the wolves are once they lose some superstars cause they cant pay them... stop the cap.. wolve are stacked.
@@daddyfuse50 KAT and Reid are much better defensively this year, neither McDaniels nor Reid played last year (so not identical starting 5), KAT was hurt a lot last year so a lot of missed game toile on playing the 4, and frankly, Jokic was better last year than this year.
Jokic fan here. Youre absolutely truth. He has to take control of the team.
Yeah the narrative that his legacy is on the line is horseshit. Every great has a bad run or two, especially is their supporting cast is injured
Theyre all playing though. They all played great and closed out against the Lakers, no excuses now. Lakers were missing their best perimeter defender in Vando and they have no excuses either because of how often they were up. This absolutely affects Jokic's legacy.
@@euro51116 "They all played great against the Lakers", this just shows how clueless you and yet you are saying that someone's legacy is affected by one playoff series
@@DoubleUppplmao but y’all always bring up Dallas for Bron. Stop it with the coddling of Jokic, he ain’t that guy yall think he is. Anytime he faces a team with actual size he struggles
Stop making excuses. Yeah some of the player was hurt but they can play and Jokic is healthy LOL. They're exposed, That's it. Why make excuses now when yall don't want the lakers to make excuses last round? Hahahaha.
Jokic fans are so ridiculous they act like he’s above criticism. Stop saying he has nothing left to prove when the basketball world consistently expects more from guy like Lebron and Steph. Who are truly the ones with nothing left to prove. It’s actually insane how little criticism he gets for his bad play unlike other “best player in the world” guys.
When u have 2 (probably 3) MVPs, a ring, a finals MVP, and when people consider 20pts 10 rebounds and 10 assists to be a a “bad game” for you then u have nothing left to prove. That’s just a fact
@@Beeeep24 Them MVPs ain't stopping him from getting curb stomped out there. 1 chip does not make you an All Time great. You can give him 10 MVPs, he's gonna have to wake up and play better than this if he wants to stay the best player in the league. Let alone be considered an All Time Great. He's not there yet.
@@rexsmith9074
He objectively is there. And he has been there.
To act as if a 3 times MVP, a Champion who led his team to a Championship while breaking all sorts of records, a perennial All NBA First Team player isn't an all time great is clownish.
@@HopefulNihilist He's objectively not there. Championships matter. 1 championship does not put you in the All Time greats. Hate to break it to you.
@@rexsmith9074
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even when that person has absolutely zero idea of what they're talking about I guess lmao
Talking heads are not upset with Jokic for not playing to their expectations. They are upset because they all felt smart for picking him to win and he is now making them all look bad.
EXACTLY 💯
The officiating shift greatly favors the Wolves. If they continue to allow this physicality Minnesota has a real chance to win it all. And I’m all for it - this brand of NBA basketball is so damn fun to watch.
Against east cost,?95 prcnt refs are east,new jer. area....
I'm fine with the physicality, but they are not consistent with it for the first two games so far. They let minnesota get away with way more in the second game. Let's see what the third game brings this time 🤷♂️
@@Nate-vq8wy 38 total fouls called game 1, 34 total fouls called game 2. They played slight more aggressive and the refs called slightly less fouls. So yes it was slightly inconsistent, but what I don’t want to see is an over-correction.
This playoffs he has been abysmal on defense, he doesn’t look engaged and is getting hunted every possession, him and Murray have to lock in on defense otherwise they will get swept.
Both are slow footed. As a team, they have no rim protectors. I see the Nuggets realizing early on that they can’t keep up with them.
@@Shawnpee3496they had good defense last playoffs, he just looks uninterested in playing defense and that can’t happen. He is not even positioning himself correctly.
@@HoopEnthusiaststhey also had guys like Jeff green and Bruce brown. That perimeter defense is key to hiding Jokic on defense.
He thinking about ol.games ,that is more important for legacy
@@MajinVegito100 JG is a perimeter defender?!?! LMAO. Watson, Braun are both MASSIVELY better defenders.
Jokic fans are heated with this one lol
Less fried foods fam. Murray is the one playing bad not jokic
100% man🤣
His whole career, this guy has shown the whole world how he "doesn't particularly care about basketball", and "it's just his job".
How are we surprised exactly that that actually turns out to be his mindset? 😅
If anything, it's even more impressive how good/dominant he is/has been, despite that mentality.
So no, I don't think he'll care if we don't consider him "the best basketball player" (anymore).
well I mean you still should show up when your job needs you the most, shouldn't you? he gets paid over 50mil a year to carry the nuggets and take over when it's necessary, so he isn't doing a good job at all.
And I believe you're 100% correct!!
@slXD100 well technically he is showing up to the court. That contract is guaranteed. Contract doesn't say you have to care to win or you need to try harder.
You hope he does but thats something management needs to address before you present him a contract
@@tocadadj2951he already gave Nugget a ring. That exceeded expectations for a team who hasn't won a ring in 47 yrs!
This is crazy talk. He proved who he is over hundreds of games, 2 or 3 bad games wont define him. Is LeBron not an all time great because he chocked vs celtics in the late 00's, and then chocked vs mavericks in the 2011 nba finals?
Lebron has 4x as many championships lol
@@gbmbg114 and how many x has a great team (already established superstars).. lol that dude just kept jumping ship if the team he is on is no longer flexible enough to ghet him another great team with other great superstars. How stupid is that when you already have AD and he had the guts to still recruit kawhi. the thought of it almost makes him look weak(only softies and casuals don't take that into consideration_). Jokic has won more rings that lebron already by winning a championhip without an already established superstar. lol he grew with jamal and the coach and lebron never did that, he always go to teams with ALREADY-ESTABLISHED superstars
@devmamba2492 .. you’re barking up the wrong tree dude.. I’m not a Lebron fan lol.. but he has won 4 championships, that’s just a fact.. and in his prime he was EASILY the best player in the league.. Jokic is among the best players in the league.. Lebron went to 10 finals.. Jokic has been to one. They’re not on the same level yet.. 10 finals, 4 chips, most points ever, top 5 assists.. the hardware matches the claims of an all-time great and it gives him some leeway for his bad playoff performances..Jokic needs another ring or two to justify getting the same treatment as f’ing Lebron lol..
And at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how he won them.. you could make an argument that Jokic’s path to the championship was MUCH easier than it usually is.. and the team that’s waxing him right now was injured last year.. but his ring still counts.. and 3 of the last 4 years was: easy ring, swept in the 2nd, gentleman’s swept in the 1st, swept in the 2nd.. and Murray put up Kobe numbers in that run too, all the role players stepped up.. they were a well-oiled machine.. so you can’t say it was all by himself..
I’m not saying it to disrespect Jokic.. I’m saying it for perspective.. I wouldn’t even say KD should get the same leeway Lebron gets.. it’s just that there are levels.. Jokic is great enough to get praise and MVPs, but he’s not Curry/Lebron/Kobe/Shaq/Jordan/Bird/Magic territory yet.. he might get there, but not yet..
@@devmamba2492 maybe cuz lebron was not fortunate enough to have a player of that caliber next to him for his first 7 years?. Jokic never aspired to be the GOAT so why would he ever felt the need to join a team with actual help.
Joker has the capability of making this series go longer as a Nuggies fan it’s not fun to watch him be passive but Jamal has always been the heart of the team. If you look back at spurs series or any of the 3-1 comebacks the will to win came from mal, and if he can’t get going a little bit or even just in the fourth quarters if games idk if they can extend the series
Nuggets fan here. Everything Jason said is true. Game 3 will tell us a lot.
Mid season memo to officials from the league put the full court press in play for the first time in many decades. Minny understands this, Denver does not. This is a Malone moment - to have a chance of even winning one game this series he MUST put his best defenders on the court to full court press the Wolves from the tip Friday night. Don’t let them inbound the ball! Hound them for 94 feet on every possession! Make them WORK for every point like they did to you! But he’ll never do this, as he still doesn’t know what hit him. Read Gladwell’s 2009 New Yorker article “How David Beats Goliath.” The Wolves innovation was to recognize and operationalize this long lost art.
Jason is right. Jokic looks so unserious. Its not even about getting cooked in drop coverage. If you get cooked giving effort, fine. They fried you. But this dude looks like he couldnt care less. AG looking at him like wtf bro? Jokic has checked out. He already thinking about what Horse he gonna race in Serbia.
As a nuggets fan it’s tough hearing it from other nba fans , but I was saying this during game 2 Jokic was absolutely giving up on defense. Idk if it cause they are too banged , or too tired but if you step out on the court you have to perform , no excuses.
One problem Jokic faces on defense vs the Wolves is that both Naz and Towns are great 3 point shooters that are faster than him when attacking the basket.
When the Wolves play Gobert, Jokic is still slow to defend the guy with the ball.
If he stays with Gobert, some kind of advantage is still gained because Ant specially will have clear lane to drive to the basket. If Jokic helps late, Gobert is there for the rebound.
Nikola Jokic has nothing to prove. He's 2 Time MVP with soon to be 3 Time. He is also a Finals MVP and has a Ring. More importantly he is not like Le Bron who is obsessed about being the GOAT or Top 10 too.
No Great can win Championship without a good Team. This Playoff Jokic's Team isn't good enough. While ANT has a great Wolves pack right now.
Nikola has been consistently great for 4 years. Don't piss on him for one series.
That is absolutely BS. 4 years is not a long time plus he only won 1 Chip, just 1 year! He has to f.fight back if you are the best player in the NBA. So Jason is right
Then just retire
are u saying the denver nuggets are not a good team? they're a great team. They're just playing a greater team
And now you know why jamal will will never be all american any team
@@fyntc1796They are THE WORST 3pt shooting team in the playoffs and Jamal Murray has been like THE WORST player in the playoffs...
No,.he doesn't have a great team around him...
This wild man. He won a championship
So? The greats are never satisfied. I’ve seen so many people say he has top 10 trajectory yet we don’t hold him to the same standard as those guys. If you’re the best in the world this is what comes with it.
@@zj4008 he just won a championship lmao what are you even talking about
Love it! Support your argument about Nikola and Bron 💯
Anybody complaining about his style of play and thinks he needs to be this or that doesn’t understand Jokic. He has already proven he is who he really is. If he doesn’t act the way he should according to your rigid paradigm then he will sleep extremely well at night. Just because somebody is different and doesn’t behave a specific way that all great team leader behave doesn’t make him a bad player. Three words. Body of Work. 1:53
FYI, go look at Denver's road to a championship last year. They beat a 4, 7, 8, and 8 seed to win the title. No team had more than 45 wins. In fact, this Denver team has NEVER beaten a team with 50+ wins in the playoffs.
Nuggets showed up tonight and anyone who thought they were going to roll over is smokin' something. Furthermore, the Wolves did not take the loss with grace and that is not championship caliber behavior IMHO. I hope the Nuggets give them the business going forward.
Giannis gets injured 2 postseasons in a row and this dude took his spot. Lol Giannis would NEVER let this happen.
This is on the media to be honest. You guys are so quick to crown somebody best player in the world every damn season. Just let these boys play ball
As a Nuggets fan, this are the reason why I think the nuggets are losing and none of them are Jokic's fault. Although he could do a little better.
1 The Wolves are bigger (Denver is usually bigger than most team and bullly teams with ISO in the post from Jokic, Gordon, Porter and even Jamal against other guards). Also this means that AG has to be on Kat on defense, wich forces a smaller and Injured KCP to be on Edwards.
2 The Wolves have a better bench (Denver's bench no longer has Green who was a mobile big that could space the floor shooting corner threes and Bruce Brown who was taller, a better defender, rebounder, floater shooter, spot up shooter and had better chemistry with Jokic than Reggie)
3 The referees are allowing excesive contact during this play off wich benefits the Wolves because they are a defensive minded team that play very physical. This affects the Nuggets because they can´t use their signatures dribble hand off or get separation from screening.
4 Kat is one of the few guys that can slow down Jokic (cause he is tall and mobile enough), plus he get boosted by having another big behind him and they are doubling Jokic with fast and big defenders like Edwards.
5 Jokic pass to the 45 cutter of double teams are elite, but gets nullified because the cutters like Jamal, Porter, Braun, Watson and Reggie instead of shooting a floater are being blocked by one or two bigs under the rim.
6 Jokic pass to the baseline cutter (Gordon) is either not available due to Wolves size or is nullified by the second big and alite rotation from big perimeter defenders.
7 Jokic skip passes to shooters out of the PnR or from the post are beeing mishandled by shooters who are either passing the shots to attack the close out but are being met by shot blockers at the rim (Porter, Murray, KCP, Braun) or guys that shoot them but poorly (Gordon, Reggie, Watson). Holiday has been the only one that has actually shoot almost every chance and made them.
8 Jamal. KCP and Reggie are clearly Injured. Nuggets are a short handed team with no one from the bench with offensive power. An injury to the starters always meant no more title aspirations.
9 Jamal injury ruins the Jokic PnR wich is the most valuable play from the Nuggets, ruins him bullying Conley in the post, plus ruins Jamal scoring overall who should be the best or second best scoring player on the team. Also he has elite perimeters defenders on him (McDaniels, NWA).
10 Naz Reed ability to make threes and get free throws attacking the rim make their offense elite. The first game was even until the Wolves put Reed in due to Kat foul troubles hitting 3 threes in a row and in this second game without Gobert he did the same shooting 5/6 in the first half wich explain the beat down in game 2. Gobert is more limited than Reed in perimeter defense, shooting and decision making.
none is jokics fault because you decided to leave them out. what a fool. if you don't understand ball don't talk like you know. maybe you don't understand or know how to watch defense
Jokic is an all-time great talent but at the same time let's not pretend that he 110% care about basketball as we all know he really just considers it as work and maybe not entirely his passion in life like other players, which is fine if that's the case. I think the rest of the series will show how he responds after they just got their asses handed to them on their own home court.
He isn’t an all time great talent he’s not on the level of any of the top guys
@@calmguy4291
Delusional
Also great points in this video, LeBron is slandered for dropping 40 in game 4 of a sweep and giving it his all at 38 years old. A 27 year old Jokic who's considered by nearly everyone to be the best player in the world should receive way more criticism for playing as poorly and with such a lack of aggression in G2.
Absolutely right Jason, Jokic needs to put some fight
As a nuggets fan I’m very torn on this. Jokic hasn’t been nearly as dominant as he was last year no argument there. Jokic’s passiveness in this series has been extremely frustrating and his lack of aggression or even care has been a far cry from last year. He bares the responsibility as the best player in the world. However saying his legacy is on the line is somewhere I can’t go. He’s not beyond criticism no doubt but I can’t question his legacy after he finally got over the mountain top. If you wanna say he’s not the best player anymore sure I can talk about that but legacy on the line i can’t go all the way there
As a Nuggets fan I agree with everything Jason said. The most shocking part of this series so far has been how nonchalant about it Jokic has been. I don't think he cares about being the best player in the world but I know he does care about being part of the best team in the world. So seeing him put that little care into it feels honestly even more disappointing with that in mind
Tbf he's always nonchalant. Its only a problem when being nonchalant is detrimental (which it absolutely is in moments like this)
Agree fully, Jason!
I’m a die hard Nuggets fan and I 1000% agree with you. This is Jokic’s team, we go as he goes. He needs to be better
L M A O HOW ARE THOSE LEGACY TALKS GOING?
He’s averaging almost a triple double. The team needs to step up.
Watch the games. He’s god enough get numbers but the film shows he isn’t playing good
Jamal Murray is shooting like 25% and averages 12.5 ppg in this series. These people should delete their RUclips account and go play fortnite
Defense & effort is all in your control, he's at best been serviceable, yall only care about Defense rebounding which closing the position is great & needed but contesting communication, positioning on Defense
I disagree with attacking Jokics character though. He cares just not the to the extent or in the same view as everyone else. It’s more reserved, show rather than tell. I do believe he will come out swinging no doubt. It’s the defense I’m worried about
"Maybe he doesn't care" is one of the dumbest takes i have ever heard. Have you ever watched him play? He clearly cares. He just doesnt give a shit about what anyone thinks about him or his legacy or any of this other media stupidity
I agree with the effort part he just doesnt look like he wants to win. I wouldnt mind if the nuggets got swepped and jokic played out of his mind to try to win but to lose like that.
So 1 playoffs series ruin the legacy OK than leBron should be out of the top 10 of the nba
I mean Jokic has no bench, Jamal has been dog water this whole playoffs, not just against Minnesota, and while it’s clear Jokic isn’t playing his best, he’s averaging 27 14 and 8. He needs to be more aggressive but honestly the Wolves just have a better team this year
This video is why I'm tired of fanboys covering sports. This sounds like an admitted Lakers fan over critiquing a team that knocked his team out. "His Legacy?" Over two games?? If your legacy is in trouble over a couple of games, then let's talk about all the times LBJ embarrassed himself in the playoffs. Narrative pushing is out of control in sports media. I don't even have a dog in the fight here. I'm just calling it like I see it.
The Minnesota Timberwolves were designed by team president Tim Connelly to beat the Denver Nuggets team that, before this gig, Connelly himself also largely crafted, when he ran basketball operations there. That plan has worked.
If he gets swept or gentleman swept by the Wolves then all his accolades, including last years ring, come into question as being somewhat fraudulent. This Nuggets collective has yet to beat a 50 win team in a playoff series.. and Jokic always struggles mightily when missing any teammate or having any teammate underperform, for any reason. So yeah his entire legacy is at stake here. Let's not treat him differently than folks treat Bron or Steph, or how they used to treat Kobe before his final 2 rings. Be consistent folks
lmao
They need to run the Warriors / Suns defensive Nuggets package, he is very good hedging on the screens, I think if they do that, they are winning
Hard to repeat for sure.
You know that right that he is on the first match got like almost a 30pts tripple-double and the second game when Jamal f'd up he was like 16pts/16reb/9 assist😅 brah he is struggling but still these numbers are insane😭 against the best defenders.. man stop the cap😅
I remember 2011 when Kobe got swept by the Mavericks. LeBron fans laughed and then he lost to the Mavericks as well. Haha. Something about this year is giving me those vibes
Jokic has said he does not care. When he retires he wants nobody to remember or even recognize him. So lets just stop talking about it. He will fight to the end but does not care what we think.
Then admit he isn’t an all time great
Murray 3/18
Porter 4/12
How about some help??
Stop making excuses! LOL. They can't because of wolves defense, they're not ready for that. Hahahaha. stop making excuses. They're defending champs right?? 2nd Seed vs 3rd seed, plus they have the CURRENT NBA MVP right? Yall want this smoke right? now you got one.
@@brlnhpltoUmmmm... You were saying?
Mailbag: Does it hurt the validity of the MVP award that voters act so differently each year? Explaination: It was just announced Jokic won, he's clearly the best player in the world RN, congrats to him. BUT this race made me think of the 2012 MVP, Rose won over LeBron when LeBron was CLEARLY the better player, and they gave it to him because Bulls were #1 and Heat were #2, Rose exceeded expectations with his team. Well, this year SGA and OKC were #1 and the Nuggets were #2 and SGA exceeded expectations with a young team, Jokic clearly being the better player, but won by a lot. Is the media more educated now? What's happened? Media seemed a lot more ready to give Jokic #3 than LeBron #3.
“Legacy on the line” for someone who literally won the fucking chip last year
We’re kinda in the “was that a fluke?” territory.. And I think it’s less about Jokic himself and more about how a lot of people kind of inflated their opinions of what he was (which is on them, not Jokic).. a looooot of dynasty/top-10 talk after last year.. so I think they’re speaking to the legacy they built in their minds rather than the legacy they saw on a basketball court..
A collab with Nick Wright would be great between these two, they seem to be the only two good quality media guys that are willing to hold other guys as accountable as we do the historical greats
Joker met his bat-man and he's a bad man. They call him ant man.
P.S. As I sit here and think. Mike Conley and Ant reminds me of Derek Fisher and Kobe.
Why Lebron never had legacy on the line when he blew a series?
You been living under a rock?
Anthony Edwards is coming for the number one spot.
Jokic, doesn’t care. This is his job, honestly going home is his priority. When they won it last year he was disappointed he has to stay longer for the parade. It just so happened things came together last year.
Honestly, I don’t think Jokic even cares that he may or may not be the best player in the world. Do we even know if he even believes that he is? Why should he give into what other people say about who he is. He just cares about winning and I hope that he does what he needs to do to win! How he will go about that is entirely up to him.
People talking 💩about Jokic. The guy has won 3 MVP’s and 1 Finals MVP in the last 4 years without a SINGLE teammate who’s EVEN ONCE made an all star game in their career. Just STOP THE NONSENSE. Or continue celebrating your ignorance. Your call
You have a point, however, it is not just Ant pissing on his ground, it is a supporting cast that is much better than what Denver has at the moment. 3 all-star players, and the best sixth man. Healthy starting 5 for Denver could theoretically handle them. Yet, Jokic with one lagged Murray and sore AG and KCP is too much to ask. But yeah, he must go swinging.
Such clickbait. The man is about to win his third MVP. He won the chip last year. Sorry if Murray and Gordon and the bench don’t show up to play.
Best player in the world in his prime going out to a less experienced and arguably worse team in the 2nd round? Not a great look
@@TruthLC I guess he puppets Murray and Gordon and the bench lol, you’re crazy
@@TruthLC Worse team I disagree, but he is supposed to be the difference for sure
So, He was undeserving of the MVP award right? Stop making excuses. Yall nuggets fan praising Murray and Gordon last round right? Why making excusese now? Ask yourself, why murray and gordon didn't show up. Stop that BS, give credit to the Wolves with their defense.
@@brlnhplto Of course he was deserving of MVP, but what does that have to do with this round?
Wait. His legacy is on the line already? Wow.
Fully concur
Might have something to do with Jamal's 12PER in the playoffs lmao. Bro is invisible and we expect Jokic to pick up all the slack against the greatest defense we've seen in years who the refs are allowing to be the most physical in decades. He needs to show more heart yes but i'm not sure he can will them to wins by himself unless he gets 50/20/15
Huge Jokic fan. I feel like I'm an even bigger fan of him because I am a fan of him like Jason is a fan of Lebron. When I see him have a weakness I want him to be great, and fight through it. I want him to be saying the same things Ant is saying. "I want to kill the other guy". I truly hope he does. For Himself, for the Nuggets, for Basketball.
In all honesty he just wants to go play with his pony back home. I’m sure he doesn’t care to be the face of the league or considered the best. The Joker is a bad dude and is very skilled but let’s face it if you put some size on him he looks very normal and slow. He hasn’t had to go against much size in his career because of the way small ball has taken over the league the last 10 years. Seeing him look human against the Wolves is exactly how he would look prior to the small ball era.
I'm glad Jason pushed back on the revisionist history that was circulating in the comments yesterday.
No, their '23 championship wasn't a fluke. It was an impressive run.
It wasn't a fluke but they had many things go their way that made it easier.
And because of that people thought it looked easy and the nuggets could not lose but it was pretty obvious they could lose to like 5 teams
@@Christopher._Mevery championship team has had things "go their way" to one degree or another. It's a silly way to look at things.
Not a fluke but definitely a cake walk
@@handeggchan1057 yes but not to the extent the nuggets had go things their way.
First they faced a Minnesota team that traded for Gobert and was hurt for half the season until the end.
They also had McDaniels and Nas hurt.
Then they faced a suns team that traded for KD mid season played 13 games together and then had Cp3 hurt and Ayton either was hurt or quit game 6.
Then they faced the Lakers who got to the conference finals as a play in team and faced a hurt Memphis team and a warriors team that faced a hurt Sacramento team.
And to finish it off they faced a Miami team with a hurt jimmy and without hero.
The Lakers was the most complete team they faced last season and this season those same Lakers were 2 shot away from being up 3-1.
My point is things going your way is part of sports but to that extent is never common.
Which is why they lost 4 games the whole playoff run and why they probably will be eliminated this playoff run in round 2
All championship have things go their way but not by that much.
Criticize Jokic all you want, but he doesn't care. He loves horse racing more than NBA. Basketball is just a means to sustain his hobby for horses.
Jokic does not have to prove no one anything.
Yeah, I don't think Jokic cares. He has always said the NBA is a job to him. He may have dominated just because it was easy. It could be the case now that there is this huge opposition it makes him realize he does care. But I won't be surprised if he sees this as an opportunity to get home soon.
Jokic never passed Giannis. Giannis would've given KAT and Naz Reid 40 & 15
What legacy? Hes not lebron saying hes the greatest ever. He has a chip and two mvps and hes got the stats to back it up. Hes already an all time great. If he gets beat, that doednt change that.
He's just not one of the best centers of all time. Thats all.
@@TheStreetFiles i mean the guys 28, hes got alot of basketball left in him.
It sounds like hes asking him to play like embiid
As a nuggets fan, jokic doesn’t care and he prob wants to ride off into the sunset.
I don't know...what exactly is he supposed to do when everyone around him is playing like shit, and the bench is trash? Ant is going right around AG and KCP... are we supposed to expect Jokic to stop Ant?
He's being passive, yeah, but his also trying to get his teammates going because he's not beating this team if the rest if the Nuggets are still playing like trash. He's getting ganged up on on offense, because everyone else is shit. Then he's got bigs that can shoot he's got to defend, and now he has to stop Ant when no one else can?
Then there's the fact that we care more than him lol.
He should come back to Europe, you dont deserve such a geniuos
yes go ahead and criticize jokic for losing. jokic might not play well, but he absolutely wants to win. every great outside of hakeem has had a series like this, yes even bron and mj did. so this 3:12 doesn't make too much sense. also jokic can care less than everyone else and still compete lol. that's what he's been doing his whole career.
The trophy is the only reason “we” do this??? Dude you don’t play in the NBA 🤣😂
Joker needs 50 in a lose to show he cares
Joker doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone. My guess is that’s exactly how he views it. He will continue to be great for a few years to come. Best player in the world thing is a media creation by the big networks and wanna be media types like you. He couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks. I love how much that bothers all of you.
He literally doesn’t care. Especially about the opinion of a media guy who plays pick up basketball at the YMCA and is wrong on literally every single playoff series I’ve ever seen lol
He doesn't have to prove anything AND why aren't yall doing this to Embiid? He hasn't made it out the 2nd round but you all continually praise him and give him passes. You all mention Embiid with the greats but he doesn't have to live up to what you all make Jokic live up to. It's really sad.
Jokić doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. But his team mates need to show up for him.
Tonight they also hand out the mvp before the pacers knicks game.
He doesn't want to be recognized as the best player in the world. He's been trying to tell ya'll this. He likes basketball and he's really good at it. Why are you mad, Jason? Lol. The problem is you EXPECT an NBA player who is naturally dominant to act a certain way that is reassuring and/or pleasing to you. Not everyone is a Lebron, MJ, AE. He literally scored 32 pts in game 1. He has ONE terrible playoff game on a terrible night for the Nuggets in general and you're writing up a list of expectations for him as if he's going to watch this and say ooh let me get right on it because Jason Timpf said so!! He literally never said he was the best player in the world. GET OVER IT. Move on. Next series. Next.
I think Jokic doesn’t favor playing with younger players and prefers veterans, especially in the post season. His patience’s with Watson/Braun and others is low
He’s a center , with 0 perimeter help right now. y’all want him to rebound , bring it up pass to himself , repost get doubled pass back to himself then score ? this dude is basically saying take the ball and go score just play 1-5 joker 😂
I don’t even think he really cares about what people rank him
Jokić isn't the same since Dejan Milojević died. Last good game he had was few days before vs GSW when he hit that half court 3.
That was his last good game? Or is that when you stopped watching him.
@@blackmanwithcomputer It is fine to have different opinions. And i do watch him, i stay up, here in Srbija, just to watch Denver. I don't watch other games.
That is weird. If you are going to hold the best player in the league to that standart, why dont you do the same with LeBron, who calls himself the GOAT when He has being fell short, under performe and even chocke in the NBA final, playing with 2 others hall of game and yet....
The best player in this series is Ant by far. This is the first time in two post seasons Jokic isnt playing a play in team led by senior citizens in the playoffs and you can see what happens when high level defense is played on him.
Jokic literally beat Ant and the Wolves last year in the playoffs.
@@waffles4393with no KAT and no McDaniels use full context before u start sayin bs
@@Tuck600 Kat was there I think you meant McDaniels and Naz Reid
KAT definitely played
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