At 5'11" with a 34" inseam, my 2022 KLR Adventure kept me on my tiptoes. I installed the factory low seat and JNS footpeg lowering brackets (maintaining original ergonomics, getting rid of the squishy rubber mounts, and giving more room under the shift lever), keeping my stock suspension travel. It made a WORLD of difference.
Yeah, there are ways to lower this bike for sure. I like that Kawasaki offers a no charge way to get it lowered from the factory. I really liked how the S felt to me, it definitely changes the feel and I'm not sure that I'd need the extra travel for the types of off-road that I'd do with this bike. Options are great! That's all I know!
The KLR S will work for a lot of mild, "stop and smell the roses" riders like me. I'm 6'2" and have no problem flat footing my '22 Gen 3 KLR. I bought my KLR a year before the S model was introduced. I haven't needed the extra ground clearance for my rides. I'd be perfectly happy with the S model. I really like your very thorough reviews!
1st bike was a kawasaki 75cc then 100cc at 17 I got the 1980 1000cc KZ LTD then had a few Harleys. At 60 my ride is a 2015 KLR 650 with 37000km. I've taken this bike in places most people wouldnt and loved every minute of it. Great jod on the videos Peter. Great energie and onpoint information of the content. Im a car salesmen so I understand the work you put in these videos, keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching! Haha. Yeah, I've made videos like this for a while, (I previously ran a much larger channel) and it's always funny how certain naming things come to being the official names. I just call it what they want to call it! Thanks for taking the time to comment. Feel free to subscribe!
I'm the same way! I know it's a legendary bike, but I never really considered it. Now, with the updates, and the high value price point, it really interests me! I could totally see myself owning one of these.
just came from the dealership and sat on a regular KLR stock. At 5-10, I was kinda surprised that I was on my toes on both sides. I left feeling a bit intimidated tbh. Started looking online and discovered the S-model and watched your video and now have realized that this is the one lol. Thanks for a great video full on good information !!
Thanks for watching! Yeah, it was funny for me because I like the KLR and just assumed that the KLR S would be for shorter people, but as I sat on it, the bike seemed to transform from something that felt just a little bit intimidating, to something that felt very familiar and manageable. You do lose a little bit of suspension travel, but I think for the type of riding that I'd be doing on that bike, the S model would have all the travel that I would need. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
You didn't mention weight. Is there a big difference considering the accessories on the adventure and how much difference does the seat make? Is it narrower and someone said something about different pegs? Why don't you do a video going the other way, from the s to the adv@@PeterLoweOne
Great review. Thank you. The last bike I had was a 1970s KE 175 dual-purpose, and most of the time I was on trails. Although I love the look of street bikes such as the W800, you need to stick with what made you start riding as a kid. And that means trails. You helped me make my decision.
Haha! I'm laughing because I have always had a thing for small displacement bikes, as well as "do it all" bikes which accurately describes my first motorcycle. My second bike was a sport bike, and I'm still fond of that too. It's almost like choosing a first bike is important because that sets you up for the rest of your riding life!! Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences!
I've been riding a Yamaha XT225 since 2008. It's the only dual sport bike I can get my leg over the seat on, and flat foot at stops. Its main problem is its super low top speed. I need to ride 35 miles on the highway to get to the trails. I had a KLR650 back in the late '90s/early 2000s, and had to give it up because the seat was simply too tall. It was a problem back then, and I'm 20+ years older now, with bad joints and arthritis.
@@geraldscott4302 I think this KLR S is going to find it's fans for sure! I was impressed how that little bit of height difference, really changed how the bike FELT. And I think that's a big thing. If it FEELS better to people, they'll like it better.
Hey Peter, thanks for the video. I owned the 2022 KLR Adventure model for about 6 months, and that thing nearly killed me! I'm a shorter guy, wish this model was available when I gave the KLR a chance. I've moved on now, but I may have to test ride one of these shorter models. Thanks for the video!
Yep, I’m in a similar situation. I had mine for about a year. I also found that it wound out a little bit too much on Long highway trips. Now I realize that I don’t need to make the highway trips anymore and the shorter ones out so I’ll be going back and getting the shorter one.
Wow Jimmy Gilbert's is a Kawi Dealer! I've been away from Freddy for too long, lol. Great review! There's a lot of low key perks that the KLR provides at the core and and you show them off plus the great features of the S Model for sure. Cheers from PEI!
Haha! Thanks for responding! Jim Gilbert's isn't just "a" Kawasaki dealer, they're the number one volume Kawasaki dealer in the country! You should try to make it back to Fredericton! The showroom is massive! Kawasaki stuff everywhere!
I just took position of my KLR S on Friday and took a nice little 90 mile trip to get used to it yesterday. I'm 6'3" with a 36" inseam, I love the shorter ride for backing and other slow rolling maneuvers because I really can place my feet flat.
Thanks for sharing! I still think that if I bought a KLR, I'd get the S model. I like the confidence it gives me, and it's got PLENTY of suspension travel for the types of things that I'd do with it.
@@PeterLoweOne I for one am not yet back to a skill level where the suspension travel is relevant to me. It's been nearly 10 years since I rode motorcycle, the lower seat height is very confidence inducing. I'm treating myself as a beginner once again and the KLR S is a perfect model to do that with. In 2 or 3 years? We shall see.
I have a gen 1. 1988. This short version sounds like the same as mine with its tired front forks, and rear shock slackened off as far as it will go. So much soft, low rev torque I barely need to slip the clutch at lower speeds. And I love the soft suspension the experts seem to hate! I’m short, and over 60 yrs aged and all the expensive high spec of the top of the range orange bikes is utterly useless to me. Anyone under 150lbs, 5’9, will benefit from this bike, especially with a soft sag setting, but it will also help to extend adv riding for older, stiffer, more interesting riders; more stories to tell, and decades of refined self aggrandisement.
I bought this bike 4 weeks ago, my VIN starts with ML, it has a steering issue from the factory, this bike can kill you in a low-speed turn. I have mine fixed now and is a nice bike to ride. There will probably be some class action taken soon on Kawi,.
@@mytube1806 Hi, Kawasaki has a well-known steering problem on the 23 KLR's from the factory, many of the bikes had the top steering bearing over torqued by mistake, this shows up after the first few miles, mine was around 50 or so. There are some great resources on YT that explain the simple fix. I wanted to MAKE the dealer fix the issue so that they are aware of the problem, but they gave me longer than a week turn around and with no guarantee that they would even find the issue, they may have simply drove around the parking lot and not have the steering issue show itself. So, I simply unloosened the top bearing nut 1/8 a turn, about a 10 minute task, and it is now a dream to ride. And yes the stock tires last you about 1600 miles. Gotta replace them with higher quality ones for sure.
I get the idea of having a tach for tweaking or FYI; but I can’t imagine many riders requiring a tach to tell them every single time when to up or downshift.
I think for a bike with less than 50 horsepower, it's nice to know when you're at redline as you're accelerating onto a highway, or something like that. As a person who has driven a lot of smaller displacement, low horsepower bikes, it can be very helpful to know. Ironically, if the bike had 100 horsepower, you'd likely never need a tach, but pretty much every 100 horsepower bike has it.
I’ve always like the KLR650, but the 34.3” seat height kept me from getting it. This S model, with a seat height of 32.1”, seems like it just might work for me and my 28” inseam.
This is possibly a stupid question: with the slightly lowered center of gravity does it handle noticeable better on the road, what with being a little less top heavy overall - and a more "compact" aerodynamic profile?
That's not a stupid question at all. I don't know that the difference in aerodynamics would be felt my the rider, and I haven't been able to ride these bikes back to back, so I can't say for sure if the lower centre of gravity can be felt while riding, but one thing that I have done multiple times is move these bikes around in the showroom, and the KLR S is noticeably easier to move for me. So I would suspect that at low speed riding for sure, it's possible that the difference may be felt from the saddle. It's something that I want to look into in a future video. Thanks for taking the time to comment! Feel free to subscribe to make sure you don't miss other videos on this bike!
Soooooo. The s model essentially is the same bike and could easily be modified to make it just the same as the regular KLR in ride height and suspension travel? Basically what people have been doing to lower the klr but this is just done at the factory? And everything, all the aftermarket parts will still fit on the s model?
Yup! Kawasaki saw that many people wanted this bike in a more accessible, lower seat height, so they set it up from the factory that way, and it doesn't cost any more than the regular KLR (saving customers from spending money to lower it) But it's the same bike, and the KLR accessories will fit whether you get the S model, or the regular one.
I'm shorter and lighter than you, and it will depend on the type of riding that you want to do, but I will say that the Versys 650 has adjustable suspension, so you may be able to dial the bike in the way you want it. I used to ride that bike with passengers and together, we'd be much heavier than you. The KLR can also handle the weight, but you won't be able to tweak things to the same extent. As far as your height, it's a non-issue as I think both bikes will fit you.
@@PeterLoweOne what’s the height difference between this bike and the kx250F (dirt bike)? I have a kx250F currently but I just ride off-road with it… Getting addicted to the two wheels so now I’m thinking of getting a motorcycle. Is the 650S short enough to comfortably stop at red lights if you live in a city “ish” like atmosphere?
@@scooter2202 I don't have the height measurements memorized, but the Kawasaki website lists seat heights of both bikes. I was easily able to reach the ground at stoplights on the KLR and the KLR S. So I think on the S, most people wouldn't have an issue. Also keep in mind that these bikes squat from their listed seat height once the weight is on. Essentially they give back more reach to the ground when you put your weight on it than something like a Ninja would give.
I'm about 5'9" at midnight on a full moon with a 31-ish inch inseam... do i need the S model or would I be alright on the base model? I'm only asking because I prefer the 2022 khaki color.
It really depends on who you ask. I think the suspension is great for everything that I would use it for, and I would have no fear of bottoming out, ever. Having said that, you'll find people in the comments section who feel like it's too soft. Again, I look at this bike as a bike that can go down absolutely any road, including decently maintained trails. To me, it's too big to take down dirt bike trails. Other's view this bike as a bike that can go absolutely anywhere, and I guess if you were to take it on really extreme terrain, you may want something with a little more travel, or adjustable travel. I think it's great as is.
Yeah. That's interesting. Not something that most people will have to worry about on paved roads or gravel/dirt roads. But if you take it further off road, it could come into play, I suppose. Thanks for watching!
Peter, what is your inseam? Knowing that helps more than your overall height when determining if my feet would touch the ground when on the bike. Thanks!
The bike has plenty of torque, you'll find it running out of passing power above 70 mph or 110. It will still go faster, but it just takes longer to get there. With a pillion, it would be similar, but just a little slower to pass again. I like to call this a great adventure bike for 1 person, you will enjoy things more with a passenger if you stay off the major highest speed highways, but that doesn't mean that it isn't capable.
Hi Peter . Thanks alot for the valuable info you gave me on the Klr . I have to say it is a lovely looking bike . But as i ride mostly on the Highways in Australia 110 kph i need good passing speed and by the sounds of it the bike would struggle. Thanks 😊 Russ
@@russellaird1858 Yeah, it's a great bike, but I feel like there is room in Kawasaki's lineup for two more adventure bikes. One below this (based on the Ninja 400's engine... Maybe replace the Versys X 300 with that) and one above the KLR that has multiple cylinders and more tech. I think that would give them the mix of adventure bikes that would work for just about anyone in the class. I love the KLR, it's practical and can do anything... But in my heart, I want a fast motorcycle... It's why I didn't end up buying a KLR myself.
I think for the subset of people that had an issue, it's been resolved. Whether it's torquing specs, or new bearings, I think there are solutions. When in doubt, see what the dealer has to say. They're the ones who have been dealing with any issues on the bike, so a good dealer should have a solid answer for you of what they've seen, and how they're addressing things.
I read a Cycle World article that says it will do around 90 mph (145 km/h) with a comfortable highway cruising speed around 75 mph (120 km/h). That's just one writer, for one outlet's opinion. But that probably isn't far off what most people can expect. It's not really designed for high speed cruising, but at the same time, it's very highway capable if you plan on doing that. If I was on a bike like this, I'd drive the highway when necessary, but I'd look for secondary highways to ride more casually, and of course to give myself the chance to find those dirt/gravel road shortcuts and scenic side routes.
I rode my 2022 from Kansas to Key West and back, then to the Black Hills. It exceeded every legal speed limit I've found. It won't do it fast, but it will hold an indicated 85mph as long as you can stand it. Just do the "thermobob" modification if you plan on that kind of riding. It keeps the bike from burning oil.
Yep, 650 singles do fine at 75mph. I never liked going over that. Had a 2006 klr, had the suzuki 650 1991 ds (it was fantastic) very relaxing gentle thumper.
Yeah. I guess the point that I made in the video is, it would depend on your riding. For many people who are taking dirt roads and other poor roads as their main off road experience, this would be perfect. It would work for me. I would want a lighter bike to do serious trail work, so yeah. Again, it would be great for me.
I don't think the target market for the KLR are looking for the latest and greatest tech. But I agree, another gear and a tach would be great... but once you go down the road of improving this bike, you might as well start fresh and build something that slots in above this in the lineup.
If you're watching videos to see specs, the problem isn't me. In the time it took you to write your comment, you could have gone to the www.kawasaki.ca website and found out that it's 32.1 inches vs. 34.3 inches for the standard motorcycle. My argument against simply listing specs is that it doesn't really tell you how you'll fit. If the seat is 4 feet wide, you'll never reach the ground anyway. What happens if the seat is measured at a low spot, but that's not where the rider sits? A video is a great way to show you the things that the spec sheet can't say.
@@dirtbeard108 I thought I mentioned it, but at the end of the day, if someone gives it their best shot at making a video to help other people, and it doesn't give you the information that you want, just go look it up, you don't have to be snarky. Remember, behind every video on RUclips is someone who tried their best. You don't need to be snarky about things, encourage creators, or move on. That's the best way to do things here.
Barefoot, I stand a quarter inch shy of 5'8". On the regular KLR, I'm on the balls of my feet barely touching. How much of my feet would get on the floor with the S model?
I almost bought a KLR earlier this year until I swung a leg over it. I'm 5'8" with a 30 inch inseam. Instead I went with a Ninja 400, but I couldn't shake the adventure bike bug. Traded the 400 for a KTM 390 Adventure and couldn't be happier. Yes it has a taller seat height than the 400 but it's way more comfortable. If Kawi would drop the Ninja 400 engine into this bike they would have a game changer. I'd trade my 390 today for a Ninja 400 powered KLR.
I think the Versys 300X is the better candidate for the Ninja 400 engine, but I think you and I are on the same page. If the next generation Versys 400 became a little more off road focused, with maybe a little more aggressive tread pattern and light protection, I think it could be marketed as an entry level KLR type of adventure bike. In my mind, that would be a real winner (but I'm often wrong on what I think would sell well!) 🤣
@Peter Lowe One I considered the Versys 300 and really liked it, but every review I watched and read talked about how the 300 engine had to be wrung out on the freeway. Granted the 390 is only marginally better, but those extra 5 horses and more torque make a difference.
@@CMB911 Yeah, I'm looking forward to doing a review on the Versys 300X. It's not for everyone, but I think I can help point to exactly who that bike IS for. It's a unique bike in the marketplace for sure. Thanks for watching and posting your thoughts!
I bought a '22 KLR650 this year and I'm also 5'8" with 30 inseam. I'm able to fully tippy toe meaning not just the tip of my toes. I wanted a little more of my foot on the ground so I got a low profile seat. Still not flat foot, but better. My buddy is 5'6" inseam 28-29", he sat on my bike and he leans it slightly. But everyone has their own preferences and comforts. All I wanted to do was share my experience. Stay safe and happy riding 😎
About time, I am surprised that not many mfg does this, you reach larger audience. Only Triumph offers a tall/regular and a short version. Who cares about clearance when you cannot reach the ground.
Yeah, it's funny because on the spec sheet it doesn't seem like a big deal, but even as someone who can reach the ground on both bikes, the feel of the lower one is just so confidence inspiring. It familiar, but at the same time, it feels like a different bike.
It's still a traditional KLR. Many people loved the original, and Kawasaki seemed to want to stay with the original formula in the update. It's also a great value, and usually making a bike lighter and better makes it more expensive. This is a pretty great value still.
would this be an alright bike to drive for loner periods of time? lets say a 3 hour highway drive? jw because I've always heard you shouldn't ride these style bikes for longer trips
People drive these bikes literally across continents with gear on them. I think it would be fine for a highway drive. They're not super sport bikes by any means, so your passing power is more limited above the posted speed limits, but you can absolutely ride them just about anywhere for hours at a time!
I would love to see a KLR650 with a 30 inch seat height (and thats from front to back, not just the lowest part) tubeless tires, and a centerstand. I'd would likely buy one.
Its heavy for the rough stuff. Pick it up a few times an you'll realise that rather quickly. It will go anywhere reliably and can be fixed cheap. That being said....I like the features of my 1290 SAS and the fact that the old lady with the tissue box and straw hat on her parcel shelf can't downshift and leave me behind on a hill with her corolla.
Haha. I need to see the Corrolas near you! This is an evolution of a bike that has been extremely popular over the years. I've mentioned in other comments that I'd like to see Kawasaki add two more adventure bikes. One below this in engine size (Ninja 400 engine!) And one above this with multi cylinders and more tech. But for the market that is interested in this bike, it's a great upgrade!
@@PeterLoweOne Mine was a 2012 with a 685 kit. As i said, reliable...but burnt oil on trips if you went over 5000rpm for long periods and with a load on, well it was snail paced to say the least. I did everything with it, even single track.
I don't think so. You can literally get every one of those pieces as accessories, and make it yourself. All you would have to do is go to your dealer, tell then you want the KLR S, with the Adventure Accessories. They could price it out for you, and it's all factory stuff. You would leave on a KLR S Adventure, in every way but the name.
I'm 6 foot, but I would prefer the S version most of the time for the lower center of gravity. However I might avoid it and just lower the standard version and have the flexibility to raise it when planning an Adventure trip.
For me, the lowered one would give me everything that I would need for an adventure trip. I like the feel of the S model. I think it makes the most sense for me, but knowing there's one with more suspension travel always has me wondering if I would be able to avoid the version with the highest level of capability.
@@PeterLoweOne I spent a couple of years on the original Honda XL250 as my sole transportation. It had a low seat height and limited suspension travel. That bike was so well balanced around town and in the twisties and smooth service trails. The main drawback with that bike was the ground clearance. I think if you are going to Adventure travel any bike off-road with a loaded down bike your seat height will come down automatically. Of course if you begin with a low bike and load it down, you will quite possibly be plagued by ground clearance issues.
@@noelbrown6771 Yeah. I hear what you're saying, I just think that everyone's definition of "adventure" is different and for a whole lot of people, the S is going to be more than good enough. But you're right, it will depend on where you plan to travel, and what you plan to ride over.
So many people fail to mention their inseam measurement when talking about seat height and how they sit/reach on a bike. 🤦♂️ You could be 5 feet or 10 feet tall and it means nothing if you have a 20-inch inseam. Telling people you're 6 feet tall is almost useless.
A centre stand would be nice. I will say that the foot of the side stand is VERY large, so they're aware that this bike may be parking on less than ideal surfaces.
Yeah! Although for me, if you're not going to go on dirt, the Versys 650 is really worth considering. They have a similar riding position, and the Versys is a sportier ride with more highway passing power. I used to own one, so I'm a little biased towards that Versys!
Haha. I'm still young enough to do ballet... Well... Motorcycle ballet, and I'd have to think long and hard about the S model. I think it's the better bike for a large number of riders including those who are taller. Look at the average Jeep Wrangler. The majority of them on the road are NOT the lifted Jeeps. Those who need extra suspension and clearance decide for the raised Jeeps, but for the majority, a slightly lower ride height does everything they need. I feel like the KLR is the same. Most people probably don't need the taller model.
I hear you. Having something in the garage that's paid for is a great feeling, but for those looking for a new bike, this is a great value compared to what's out there in the Adventure Bike space.
the thing is kawasaki is a very loved brand in india only superbike company for the masses honda expensive yamaha only small commuter bikes harley not so much bmw ducati truimph they also do good but very expensive only kawasaki is there for the masses but still no klr650 here they sell everything 90 %of their international bikes ninja 300 to 1000 h2r vulcans versys evrything nd only company that provides mx bikes but no dualsport bikes in india it sucks ..i wish they launch them here folks ride himalayans here this one not so different its cheaper .. then their 650 series
I think every country wants a Kawasaki that they can't have. I'd love to see the 250cc 4 cylinder Ninja that other markets see. But we don't get that one.
Buy the the standard and lower it and still have the full suspension travel..everyone know how soft the klr suspension is anyway..known for bottoming out
I disagree. This is the same price regardless of the S or regular model, so going to the expense of paying extra to get a bike that isn't set up from the factory seems like a more complicated way of going about things. The suspension is individually tuned for each bike, and to be honest, if you're bottoming out the suspension on these bikes, you're probably riding it beyond its intended usage. You can always upgrade shocks, but I would say that VERY few people are going to ride this bike so hard that they run out of travel, and if they do, than this is no longer the right bike for them.
@@PeterLoweOne you can disagree..most people upgrade the suspension anyway so what difference is another 50 bucks for a lower link and adjusting the forks up a little in the triple clamps?
@@gabrielkopp2036 I guess we just differ when you say that "most people upgrade the suspension." There are a lot of people who modify their KLR's in various ways, often by adding accessories, but if it were me, I'd be happy with this latest version of the KLR as is when it comes to the suspension, and I would seriously consider the S model as I think it would be perfect for me, and for most other KLR riders. I don't think it's an issue that we have differing opinions based on our different perspectives, but as someone who is in charge of content on this channel, I do feel it was necessary for me to add some context to the point you made about people regularly bottoming out the suspensions on these bikes. I just don't think that happens nearly as often as you implied.
@@paulh7798 It's made to not bottom out with normal riding. Sure you can make it. But it doesn't just bottom easily as the suspension was made not to do so for this S version.
Yeah, but look at the price. This bike still sells well for Kawasaki as is. Having said that, I've mentioned it before, but I'd like to see Kawasaki at two new adventure bikes. A more adventure version of the current Versys X but use the Ninja 400 engine, and a multi cylinder high tech adventure bike slotting in above the KLR. I don't know how big the market is for a lineup like that, but those would be interesting bikes!
I like that it's offered from the factory with suspension tuned for that ride height. I think Kawasaki is listening to their customers and offering great bikes right now.
Thirteen minutes just wasn't enough time for him to tell us how much the bike weighs, or what the ground clearance is. Must be a military secret. I'll spend another thirteen minutes researching it I guess.
I'll be honest, my reviews aren't for everyone, but I generally approach my reviews under the assumption that people have heard of the bike before, and know where to find the specs. I also come from a channel that used to get 1 million views a month, and I can tell you from experience that listing spec after spec doesn't do much for watch time. If you think you would do a better review, by all means, feel free. This was my take on the bike, and I'll continue to come back to it again and again to make different reviews. Also, it shouldn't take you 13 minutes to find the specs, so I'll do you a favour and link the website. Cheers! www.kawasaki.ca/en-ca/motorcycle/klr/on-off-road/klr650/2023-klr650-s
@@PeterLoweOne Well that one landed. All I needed was, weight is 465 lbs. and seat height is 32". After all, you did expend alot of oxygen on the size of the bike and how it is shorter and appealing to shorter riders and taller riders alike. Three seconds to say 465 lbs. and 32" seat height, instead of all that repeating yourself...that's all I'm sayin'. You can write me another book and send more links, but it won't compensate for the three seconds this video needed. It's history, now.
@@tangoindiamike9189 I try to match the snark of the comment. You could have asked in a more polite way. Just remember, when you leave a comment on a RUclips channel, there's a real person on the other end who tried their best. Give them the credit they deserve, and ask your question. I invite comments in every one of my videos. I don't invite snark or condescending criticism.
@@elwood62 I'm not too lazy to do anything, but when a person makes a video that is focused on a bike being short or small, it naturally appeals to shorter or smaller riders. It's damn obvious that two key things they'll want to know are the seat height and weight of the bike. This guy expends time, energy, and oxygen repeating how the bike could appeal to certain people, but doesn't take three seconds to say, "465 pounds and 32" seat". I was very willing to invest the 13+ minutes into this video, because I was certain those details would be included, plus more info and personal opinion. I could have skipped the video, looked up the specs, and learned far more in less time. But you gotta figure, he took the time to do a bike review, certainly, the obviously desired info is included. He got the click count, and got paid accordingly. It's like buying a concert ticket and the band doesn't play their biggest hit from their new release. How do you focus a video on a short bike and not say how short?!?
Yeah, there are a number of specs that I don't always point out. That's a spec that I could definitely point out in a video like this, but I assume that this video isn't the first time you've heard of this bike so these videos pick up where the Kawasaki website leave off... If you need to see all the specs, www.kawasaki.ca will always have more than I can include in a video.
I agree, I'd like to do this sometime, but I work alone on these, and not everyone wants to be on video. What I'll try to do for the future, especially on a bike like this, is grab a few people to show what it looks like with various sized people on the bikes. Thanks for watching!
Yeah. An interesting choice. Cost savings maybe? The bike isn't trying to be something it's not. It's a simple bike that can do a LOT. It's also a good value and I wonder if not adding a sixth gear allowed them to hit the price point without redesigning a transmission.
@@mattingray5651 I think that's the point though. They're not trying to make this a "modern" bike. A lot of people like the nostalgic feel of a bike without all the tech. I've said to others, I'd like to see Kawasaki expand out the Adventure line by taking the Versys X300 and bringing it out as an adventure bike with the Ninja 400 engine, and then also coming out with a 700cc + twin cylinder adventure bike to slot above the KLR. That one could have lots of tech. That would be my ideal lineup!
I think this is a throwback motorcycle. It isn't going to appeal as much to people who want the latest and greatest of everything. The lack of a tach bothers me more than the lack of a gear indicator, or a 6th gear, but I also think that Kawasaki should look into expanding their adventure lineup. I'd like to see one above the KLR with all the tech, and one below the KLR with the Ninja 400 engine.
KTM has had some reliability issues. I also like that Kawasaki has a more robust dealer network. Having said that, KTM does some interesting things, and I'm glad they exist! They definitely push everyone to be better!
@@PeterLoweOne OK I shouldn't have been so harsh. I'm struggling with the fact that I'm older and having physical issued (bad back, plastic knee joints) ride in the Mojave desert and need a mellower bike. A few years ago I sold my beloved Honda 450X and bought KTM 300 XC-W. That bike is the devil. I crashed on it more in the first year than on that Honda for the 6 years I owned it. Personally I'm thinking about a DRZ. Plus I just need an offroad bike because there's no way I'm riding on the street. Not unless I move to a much less populated place.
Thank you . and kawasaki . finnaly a factoy desigser use tbeis little brains . and bmw . are the only sipian brain . !!!! Wow i think humans are evolving . !! 😝
Kawasaki chooses the worst colors of any major brand, for awhile now. I can't imagine their colors don't drive away sales. It did me. I have never placed much emphasis on looks, focusing on performance and reliability, but Kawasaki colors make me want to puke. : P
It's funny because as this bike has been sitting in the showroom, it has, by far, received the most positive comments out of any bike that I've seen lately. It's tough for motorcycle manufacturers. They're not as big as car manufacturers, and they can't offer as many colours as them. It's impossible for them to please everyone, and although this colour may not be your taste, it's proven popular with many others. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts though! It's this kind of feedback that teaches me what people like and want from a motorcycle or other vehicle.
@@PeterLoweOne Aesthetics of course is completely subjective and personal, and I would never try to convince anyone of what a bike should look like. Actually, the grey one you featured in this video is the most palatable to me. I just don't get the flat primer look paint job with no off-setting trim, secondary colors or graphics. (usually, in my book, manufacturers are guilty of too much in the graphics department.)The impression I get from the KLR is that they never completed the design, paint/graphics job (or listened to some independent marketing firm disconnected from motorcycle enthusiasts). The Honda CB500X green version is also minimalistic in its graphics and trim, and it's green which usually doesn't do so well, but the finish look is quite pleasant and stylish. The KLR 650 would actually be my next bike, but I just can't get past the color scheme they have gone with the the last few years. I'd be interested in independent data/surveys on visual appeal only with an age break down to see how far off base I am. : P Appreciate the reply!
@@Graybeard_ haha. Yeah. I wonder if the colours are from market surveys or not. I think auto manufacturers tend to tell customers what is "hot" rather than listen to feedback. I can tell you, coming from the auto sector that grey, black, and white are all extremely popular car colours, so there has been a push into finding new greys. You'll see paint colours like this in a lot of new vehicles. We'll see if they translate into motorcycle sales!
Yeah. This is a throwback bike. It's not meant to be the latest and greatest of everything. I will say though, if you think it weighs too much, try sitting on the S model. It's kind of surprising how much more confidence inspiring that bike is. The tweaks make it feel like a different bike.
@@PeterLoweOne when I was checking out getting a new dual purpose bike in 2021 I ended up with a DR650 and actually now wish I went with my original thought of a 300. I like the Honda 450 but seat height way too high and I wasn’t impressed with the maintenance schedule either.
@@PeterLoweOne yes it was also … sadly when I was looking to buy a 300 ( either Honda or Kawasaki ) it was in March of 2021 when here in New England there were no Honda’s at any dealer and they didn’t know when they would get them. They had 250’s but I had a 2 XR250’s back in the 1990’s and wanted something a little bigger. There was one dealer that had the 300 Kawasaki and I wish I did go with that one. The DR I bought was arriving at the dealer so I jumped at the chance thinking I needed more power to ride the roads to get to the stuff I wanted to ride. Now that I have put 1100 miles on it … I see that it is way too much for only needing a top speed of 45 mph. If you check my RUclips page you can see the type of riding I do. My plan over the Winter is to install a one tooth smaller front sprocket to lower the speed of 1st gear and add knobby tires.
It won't bottom out in the rear for most riders in most conditions. But it sounds like your opinion is firmly set. Thanks for watching! It sounds like this isn't the bike for you.
@@PeterLoweOne haha of course I saw your video man. I'm takling about the (what I think it's called) "front fender" or "mud guard". It's the only think I don't like and I'd like to know if it can be modded somehow.
@@AlejandroVivas Oh!!! Now I get it! Yeah that's the style that a lot of these bikes are going for now. I'm not sure if it's fashion or function. I assume it's both. Haha! Sorry to seem so harsh in my previous response. I've had a few crazies in the comments lately!
@@michaelmelling9333 Haha. Yes. Positive. I actually like this colour. This type of grey is popular in the automotive world. I own a Jeep Wrangler in a similar tone.
@@PeterLoweOne Well, I guess Larry King was right when he would sometimes say on his radio program back in the day, "There's no accounting for taste." 😱
@@michaelmelling9333 Haha! A Larry King reference!! I love it! I think the people who like this colour don't remember Larry King when he was on the radio. 😉
I've said it for years....if you can't flat foot the bike with both feet you shouldn't be on it ...PERIOD ! it's not safe for you or the others around you ! not to mention the bike !
I think that's a helpful guideline for some... But I don't think it's a fast rule. I used to know a short lady who rode an adventure bike and believe me, she was safer than you or me! Motorcycling has built in dangers. We could argue them all day. Young riders on too fast bikes, riders who overestimate their skills, short riders who can't handle tall bikes... All of those are risks that riders have to be honest with themselves about. There is no "period" when it comes to a tall bike. There are simply realities that people need to be honest with themselves about.
@@dudeqc514 for your information Dude I have been riding sense I was 6 years old and and I'm 70 now... Yes I know how to ride. obviously you do not understand how much more dangerous a tall bike is as compared to one that you can flat foot... your statement is only true to an extent, what about when you want to spin the back around and go the other way ? yes you can do that without touching the ground but it's not as sharp a turn.... touching the ground is of paramount importance yet people like you say it isn't... give me proof ! of your ignorance ... tell me how a taller bike is better than a shorter bike !???? You do not need ground clearance if you do you are not riding it right.... I can take a 6" ground clearance bike over a 24" log and never touch the engine case.... in this case you are the ignorant one dude ! if you insist that you are right then try a test.... lower your bike 2" front and rear and ride it like that for a week then tell me I am wrong . you have alot more to learn kid !
At 5'11" with a 34" inseam, my 2022 KLR Adventure kept me on my tiptoes. I installed the factory low seat and JNS footpeg lowering brackets (maintaining original ergonomics, getting rid of the squishy rubber mounts, and giving more room under the shift lever), keeping my stock suspension travel. It made a WORLD of difference.
Yeah, there are ways to lower this bike for sure. I like that Kawasaki offers a no charge way to get it lowered from the factory. I really liked how the S felt to me, it definitely changes the feel and I'm not sure that I'd need the extra travel for the types of off-road that I'd do with this bike. Options are great! That's all I know!
What a professional review! Excellent presentation (content and delivery) and camera work. Thanks for this review.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for your kind words!
Superb review. I had actually typed a question and commented and then BAM, you answered it. Your thoroughness is outstanding.
Haha! Thanks so much for watching and letting me know that it was helpful to you. I appreciate that!
The KLR S will work for a lot of mild, "stop and smell the roses" riders like me. I'm 6'2" and have no problem flat footing my '22 Gen 3 KLR. I bought my KLR a year before the S model was introduced. I haven't needed the extra ground clearance for my rides. I'd be perfectly happy with the S model. I really like your very thorough reviews!
1st bike was a kawasaki 75cc then 100cc at 17 I got the 1980 1000cc KZ LTD then had a few Harleys. At 60 my ride is a 2015 KLR 650 with 37000km. I've taken this bike in places most people wouldnt and loved every minute of it. Great jod on the videos Peter. Great energie and onpoint information of the content. Im a car salesmen so I understand the work you put in these videos, keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for your encouragement! It means a lot!
Great review! I like the pace- Information comes fast at us but it’s easy to follow along. That’s hilarious the “S” stands for short.
Thanks for watching! Haha. Yeah, I've made videos like this for a while, (I previously ran a much larger channel) and it's always funny how certain naming things come to being the official names. I just call it what they want to call it! Thanks for taking the time to comment. Feel free to subscribe!
28" inseam made it hard for me to be comfortable on my klr. Put some lowering links in he rear and dropped the forks an inch. Did wonders.
Just bought an S model. Thanks for the break down.
Me as well, I'm not disappointed at all. They are so fun
Never really cared for klr..but this bike here I could definitely get used to..really like it!!
I'm the same way! I know it's a legendary bike, but I never really considered it. Now, with the updates, and the high value price point, it really interests me! I could totally see myself owning one of these.
just came from the dealership and sat on a regular KLR stock. At 5-10, I was kinda surprised that I was on my toes on both sides. I left feeling a bit intimidated tbh. Started looking online and discovered the S-model and watched your video and now have realized that this is the one lol. Thanks for a great video full on good information !!
Thanks for watching! Yeah, it was funny for me because I like the KLR and just assumed that the KLR S would be for shorter people, but as I sat on it, the bike seemed to transform from something that felt just a little bit intimidating, to something that felt very familiar and manageable. You do lose a little bit of suspension travel, but I think for the type of riding that I'd be doing on that bike, the S model would have all the travel that I would need. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
You didn't mention weight. Is there a big difference considering the accessories on the adventure and how much difference does the seat make? Is it narrower and someone said something about different pegs? Why don't you do a video going the other way, from the s to the adv@@PeterLoweOne
Great review!
Great review. Thank you. The last bike I had was a 1970s KE 175 dual-purpose, and most of the time I was on trails. Although I love the look of street bikes such as the W800, you need to stick with what made you start riding as a kid. And that means trails. You helped me make my decision.
Haha! I'm laughing because I have always had a thing for small displacement bikes, as well as "do it all" bikes which accurately describes my first motorcycle. My second bike was a sport bike, and I'm still fond of that too. It's almost like choosing a first bike is important because that sets you up for the rest of your riding life!! Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences!
I've been riding a Yamaha XT225 since 2008. It's the only dual sport bike I can get my leg over the seat on, and flat foot at stops. Its main problem is its super low top speed. I need to ride 35 miles on the highway to get to the trails. I had a KLR650 back in the late '90s/early 2000s, and had to give it up because the seat was simply too tall. It was a problem back then, and I'm 20+ years older now, with bad joints and arthritis.
@@geraldscott4302 I think this KLR S is going to find it's fans for sure! I was impressed how that little bit of height difference, really changed how the bike FELT. And I think that's a big thing. If it FEELS better to people, they'll like it better.
Hey Peter, thanks for the video. I owned the 2022 KLR Adventure model for about 6 months, and that thing nearly killed me! I'm a shorter guy, wish this model was available when I gave the KLR a chance. I've moved on now, but I may have to test ride one of these shorter models. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!!
Yep, I’m in a similar situation. I had mine for about a year. I also found that it wound out a little bit too much on Long highway trips. Now I realize that I don’t need to make the highway trips anymore and the shorter ones out so I’ll be going back and getting the shorter one.
@@trd4d Thanks for sharing your experiences!
How tall are ya
God willing i’m getting one for my coming bday yayyyy
That color is beautiful!
Nice review. BTW the shorter suspension should give better stability on the twisties and highway.
Thanks Jim
Wow Jimmy Gilbert's is a Kawi Dealer! I've been away from Freddy for too long, lol. Great review! There's a lot of low key perks that the KLR provides at the core and and you show them off plus the great features of the S Model for sure. Cheers from PEI!
Haha! Thanks for responding! Jim Gilbert's isn't just "a" Kawasaki dealer, they're the number one volume Kawasaki dealer in the country! You should try to make it back to Fredericton! The showroom is massive! Kawasaki stuff everywhere!
I just took position of my KLR S on Friday and took a nice little 90 mile trip to get used to it yesterday.
I'm 6'3" with a 36" inseam, I love the shorter ride for backing and other slow rolling maneuvers because I really can place my feet flat.
Thanks for sharing! I still think that if I bought a KLR, I'd get the S model. I like the confidence it gives me, and it's got PLENTY of suspension travel for the types of things that I'd do with it.
@@PeterLoweOne I for one am not yet back to a skill level where the suspension travel is relevant to me.
It's been nearly 10 years since I rode motorcycle, the lower seat height is very confidence inducing.
I'm treating myself as a beginner once again and the KLR S is a perfect model to do that with.
In 2 or 3 years? We shall see.
I have a gen 1. 1988.
This short version sounds like the same as mine with its tired front forks, and rear shock slackened off as far as it will go.
So much soft, low rev torque I barely need to slip the clutch at lower speeds.
And I love the soft suspension the experts seem to hate!
I’m short, and over 60 yrs aged and all the expensive high spec of the top of the range orange bikes is utterly useless to me.
Anyone under 150lbs, 5’9, will benefit from this bike, especially with a soft sag setting, but it will also help to extend adv riding for older, stiffer, more interesting riders; more stories to tell, and decades of refined self aggrandisement.
Lol. "
" Decades of refined self aggrandizement"
I appreciate the well sought after terminology!
I bought this bike 4 weeks ago, my VIN starts with ML, it has a steering issue from the factory, this bike can kill you in a low-speed turn. I have mine fixed now and is a nice bike to ride. There will probably be some class action taken soon on Kawi,.
What's the issue? Sure it's not the duncraps on the front?
@@mytube1806 Hi, Kawasaki has a well-known steering problem on the 23 KLR's from the factory, many of the bikes had the top steering bearing over torqued by mistake, this shows up after the first few miles, mine was around 50 or so. There are some great resources on YT that explain the simple fix. I wanted to MAKE the dealer fix the issue so that they are aware of the problem, but they gave me longer than a week turn around and with no guarantee that they would even find the issue, they may have simply drove around the parking lot and not have the steering issue show itself. So, I simply unloosened the top bearing nut 1/8 a turn, about a 10 minute task, and it is now a dream to ride. And yes the stock tires last you about 1600 miles. Gotta replace them with higher quality ones for sure.
Thanks for the heads up. I only have 150 miles right now. Seems a little stiff. Again thanks
@@n721swsucks they put a junk tire on but at least it keeps a great bikes cost low
Looks good option for many ppl.Thanks...
Thanks for watching!!
I have the Traveler, great bike. Was looking at that short seat, but way to slanted and most people don't ride that far up in the seat. thanks
I found the KLR S to be VERY comfortable. It doesn't feel slanted when you sit on it, at least not for me. Thanks for watching!
hard to ignore the new $1000 discount till the end of march.. $5899!! vs cd500x 7200
I get the idea of having a tach for tweaking or FYI; but I can’t imagine many riders requiring a tach to tell them every single time when to up or downshift.
I think for a bike with less than 50 horsepower, it's nice to know when you're at redline as you're accelerating onto a highway, or something like that. As a person who has driven a lot of smaller displacement, low horsepower bikes, it can be very helpful to know. Ironically, if the bike had 100 horsepower, you'd likely never need a tach, but pretty much every 100 horsepower bike has it.
I’ve always like the KLR650, but the 34.3” seat height kept me from getting it. This S model, with a seat height of 32.1”, seems like it just might work for me and my 28” inseam.
Even as a taller rider, I really like the familiar feel of this shorter version. I would consider this one for myself! Thanks for watching!
This is possibly a stupid question: with the slightly lowered center of gravity does it handle noticeable better on the road, what with being a little less top heavy overall - and a more "compact" aerodynamic profile?
That's not a stupid question at all. I don't know that the difference in aerodynamics would be felt my the rider, and I haven't been able to ride these bikes back to back, so I can't say for sure if the lower centre of gravity can be felt while riding, but one thing that I have done multiple times is move these bikes around in the showroom, and the KLR S is noticeably easier to move for me. So I would suspect that at low speed riding for sure, it's possible that the difference may be felt from the saddle. It's something that I want to look into in a future video. Thanks for taking the time to comment! Feel free to subscribe to make sure you don't miss other videos on this bike!
Soooooo.
The s model essentially is the same bike and could easily be modified to make it just the same as the regular KLR in ride height and suspension travel?
Basically what people have been doing to lower the klr but this is just done at the factory?
And everything, all the aftermarket parts will still fit on the s model?
Yup! Kawasaki saw that many people wanted this bike in a more accessible, lower seat height, so they set it up from the factory that way, and it doesn't cost any more than the regular KLR (saving customers from spending money to lower it) But it's the same bike, and the KLR accessories will fit whether you get the S model, or the regular one.
Ive been debating between a klr and versys 650 for a first motorcycle, Im 6'4" 300 lbs.
I'm shorter and lighter than you, and it will depend on the type of riding that you want to do, but I will say that the Versys 650 has adjustable suspension, so you may be able to dial the bike in the way you want it. I used to ride that bike with passengers and together, we'd be much heavier than you. The KLR can also handle the weight, but you won't be able to tweak things to the same extent. As far as your height, it's a non-issue as I think both bikes will fit you.
As a 5'5 rider I'd love this I had a klr 250 and I loved it
It's still going to be tall for a 5'5" rider, but I think this could work for you!
@@PeterLoweOne what’s the height difference between this bike and the kx250F (dirt bike)? I have a kx250F currently but I just ride off-road with it… Getting addicted to the two wheels so now I’m thinking of getting a motorcycle. Is the 650S short enough to comfortably stop at red lights if you live in a city “ish” like atmosphere?
@@scooter2202 I don't have the height measurements memorized, but the Kawasaki website lists seat heights of both bikes. I was easily able to reach the ground at stoplights on the KLR and the KLR S. So I think on the S, most people wouldn't have an issue. Also keep in mind that these bikes squat from their listed seat height once the weight is on. Essentially they give back more reach to the ground when you put your weight on it than something like a Ninja would give.
@@PeterLoweOne okay thank you
5'5" here too, I ride a 09 no problem.
I'm about 5'9" at midnight on a full moon with a 31-ish inch inseam... do i need the S model or would I be alright on the base model? I'm only asking because I prefer the 2022 khaki color.
You could likely get away with the standard but, may benefit from the S
The KLR650 s have a strong suspension so it's don't bottom out as much or quick? Is this true??
It really depends on who you ask. I think the suspension is great for everything that I would use it for, and I would have no fear of bottoming out, ever. Having said that, you'll find people in the comments section who feel like it's too soft. Again, I look at this bike as a bike that can go down absolutely any road, including decently maintained trails. To me, it's too big to take down dirt bike trails. Other's view this bike as a bike that can go absolutely anywhere, and I guess if you were to take it on really extreme terrain, you may want something with a little more travel, or adjustable travel. I think it's great as is.
Jim, great review. Does the S come in more colors like the standard bike? That grey is pretty drab.
I'm Peter, Jim owns the dealership. So far this is the only colour for the S. I think it looks better in person than on camera.
I just got a green S model.
Think the S models are only green option .
Kawi needs to properly route that rear brake hose. It’s just begging for a stick to hang up in it.
Yeah. That's interesting. Not something that most people will have to worry about on paved roads or gravel/dirt roads. But if you take it further off road, it could come into play, I suppose. Thanks for watching!
@@PeterLoweOne thanks for showing the S model
@@Jimo368 Thanks for taking the time to watch!! I appreciate it!
Thats some really nice paint on the KLR. That very un-KLR😁😁😁😁
It looks SO good in person!
Peter, what is your inseam? Knowing that helps more than your overall height when determining if my feet would touch the ground when on the bike. Thanks!
I think I wear a 32 inch inseam pant? 🧐
It’s all about inseam man!
I have a 32 inseam and ride the standard height 2023. I'm able to put one foot down which is all I need
@@todd5052 I don't think I'm all that much taller than you, and I seem to be able to touch both feet. Interesting.
Hi 👋. How would the 2023 Kawasaki klr 650s cope with the weight of a pillion , highway riding. Thanks for the info 👍
The bike has plenty of torque, you'll find it running out of passing power above 70 mph or 110. It will still go faster, but it just takes longer to get there. With a pillion, it would be similar, but just a little slower to pass again. I like to call this a great adventure bike for 1 person, you will enjoy things more with a passenger if you stay off the major highest speed highways, but that doesn't mean that it isn't capable.
Hi Peter . Thanks alot for the valuable info you gave me on the Klr . I have to say it is a lovely looking bike . But as i ride mostly on the Highways in Australia 110 kph i need good passing speed and by the sounds of it the bike would struggle. Thanks 😊 Russ
@@russellaird1858 Yeah, it's a great bike, but I feel like there is room in Kawasaki's lineup for two more adventure bikes. One below this (based on the Ninja 400's engine... Maybe replace the Versys X 300 with that) and one above the KLR that has multiple cylinders and more tech. I think that would give them the mix of adventure bikes that would work for just about anyone in the class.
I love the KLR, it's practical and can do anything... But in my heart, I want a fast motorcycle... It's why I didn't end up buying a KLR myself.
What’s going on with the steering issues for the KLr?
I think for the subset of people that had an issue, it's been resolved. Whether it's torquing specs, or new bearings, I think there are solutions. When in doubt, see what the dealer has to say. They're the ones who have been dealing with any issues on the bike, so a good dealer should have a solid answer for you of what they've seen, and how they're addressing things.
Good aftermarket suspension can make up for the reduced suspension travel.
True, but I'm not sure that most people would need to go that route.
@@PeterLoweOne Good point. It doesn't have the power to weight ratio that would require top shelf suspension.
will the short seat fit on the adventure?
It should be a direct fit. The bikes are the same.
Does the klr s 650 have a good top speed, what is it capable of for comfortable high speeds?
I read a Cycle World article that says it will do around 90 mph (145 km/h) with a comfortable highway cruising speed around 75 mph (120 km/h). That's just one writer, for one outlet's opinion. But that probably isn't far off what most people can expect. It's not really designed for high speed cruising, but at the same time, it's very highway capable if you plan on doing that. If I was on a bike like this, I'd drive the highway when necessary, but I'd look for secondary highways to ride more casually, and of course to give myself the chance to find those dirt/gravel road shortcuts and scenic side routes.
I rode my 2022 from Kansas to Key West and back, then to the Black Hills. It exceeded every legal speed limit I've found. It won't do it fast, but it will hold an indicated 85mph as long as you can stand it. Just do the "thermobob" modification if you plan on that kind of riding. It keeps the bike from burning oil.
@@dw5523 That's an awesome ride! Thanks for sharing! That's great!
Yep, 650 singles do fine at 75mph. I never liked going over that. Had a 2006 klr, had the suzuki 650 1991 ds (it was fantastic) very relaxing gentle thumper.
Man, I have the 2022 KLR in sand color, but I sure like the new gray color !
The grey looks cool in person! I really like it too!
Klr suspension is kind of soft as it is losing some travel, I'm not sure I would like. I suppose for the shorter among us it's not a bad option.
Yeah. I guess the point that I made in the video is, it would depend on your riding. For many people who are taking dirt roads and other poor roads as their main off road experience, this would be perfect. It would work for me. I would want a lighter bike to do serious trail work, so yeah. Again, it would be great for me.
Still no 6th gear. Just like my DR-Z400SM Suze ! And got heavier with each of the three KLR Generations. Bummer !
I don't think the target market for the KLR are looking for the latest and greatest tech. But I agree, another gear and a tach would be great... but once you go down the road of improving this bike, you might as well start fresh and build something that slots in above this in the lineup.
sounds great.. I'll go watch another video to find out what the seat height is.
If you're watching videos to see specs, the problem isn't me. In the time it took you to write your comment, you could have gone to the www.kawasaki.ca website and found out that it's 32.1 inches vs. 34.3 inches for the standard motorcycle. My argument against simply listing specs is that it doesn't really tell you how you'll fit. If the seat is 4 feet wide, you'll never reach the ground anyway.
What happens if the seat is measured at a low spot, but that's not where the rider sits? A video is a great way to show you the things that the spec sheet can't say.
@@PeterLoweOne I knew the specs. Just found it odd that it wasn't mentioned since its the entire reason the new model was released.
@@dirtbeard108 I thought I mentioned it, but at the end of the day, if someone gives it their best shot at making a video to help other people, and it doesn't give you the information that you want, just go look it up, you don't have to be snarky. Remember, behind every video on RUclips is someone who tried their best. You don't need to be snarky about things, encourage creators, or move on. That's the best way to do things here.
Barefoot, I stand a quarter inch shy of 5'8". On the regular KLR, I'm on the balls of my feet barely touching. How much of my feet would get on the floor with the S model?
So it's just over 2 inches shorter, that should give you some idea. It doesn't sound like much, but it definitely changes the feel.
@@PeterLoweOne Thanks. I'm still having trouble imagining. I'll have to sit on one.
Nice bikes
Yeah, this KLR and the KLR S are among my favourites. They're just so versatile!
That’s a very nice sized gas tank. Does the bike seem top-heavy when the gas tank is filled?
You'll feel the weight if you swing the bike side to side while stopped. I don't think it's something that you really notice once you're moving.
Man, I have a 2022 KLR I normally ride it around with a half tank of fuel, I don't need to ride it around with all 6 gallons in it !
@@markcollins5026 Yeah, it's a BIG tank for sure!
I almost bought a KLR earlier this year until I swung a leg over it. I'm 5'8" with a 30 inch inseam. Instead I went with a Ninja 400, but I couldn't shake the adventure bike bug. Traded the 400 for a KTM 390 Adventure and couldn't be happier. Yes it has a taller seat height than the 400 but it's way more comfortable.
If Kawi would drop the Ninja 400 engine into this bike they would have a game changer. I'd trade my 390 today for a Ninja 400 powered KLR.
I think the Versys 300X is the better candidate for the Ninja 400 engine, but I think you and I are on the same page. If the next generation Versys 400 became a little more off road focused, with maybe a little more aggressive tread pattern and light protection, I think it could be marketed as an entry level KLR type of adventure bike. In my mind, that would be a real winner (but I'm often wrong on what I think would sell well!) 🤣
@Peter Lowe One I considered the Versys 300 and really liked it, but every review I watched and read talked about how the 300 engine had to be wrung out on the freeway. Granted the 390 is only marginally better, but those extra 5 horses and more torque make a difference.
@@CMB911 Yeah, I'm looking forward to doing a review on the Versys 300X. It's not for everyone, but I think I can help point to exactly who that bike IS for. It's a unique bike in the marketplace for sure. Thanks for watching and posting your thoughts!
I bought a '22 KLR650 this year and I'm also 5'8" with 30 inseam. I'm able to fully tippy toe meaning not just the tip of my toes. I wanted a little more of my foot on the ground so I got a low profile seat. Still not flat foot, but better. My buddy is 5'6" inseam 28-29", he sat on my bike and he leans it slightly. But everyone has their own preferences and comforts. All I wanted to do was share my experience. Stay safe and happy riding 😎
@@nashvillelewis-jones5666 Thanks for sharing!
About time, I am surprised that not many mfg does this, you reach larger audience. Only Triumph offers a tall/regular and a short version. Who cares about clearance when you cannot reach the ground.
Yeah, it's funny because on the spec sheet it doesn't seem like a big deal, but even as someone who can reach the ground on both bikes, the feel of the lower one is just so confidence inspiring. It familiar, but at the same time, it feels like a different bike.
0:45 name of this amazing colour ??
That's Pearl Storm Grey in the foreground and Cypher Camo Grey in the background. I really like both of these colours. They look great in person!
Did it lose any weight? The current KLR is bigger than Fat Amy.
It's still a traditional KLR. Many people loved the original, and Kawasaki seemed to want to stay with the original formula in the update. It's also a great value, and usually making a bike lighter and better makes it more expensive. This is a pretty great value still.
would this be an alright bike to drive for loner periods of time? lets say a 3 hour highway drive? jw because I've always heard you shouldn't ride these style bikes for longer trips
People drive these bikes literally across continents with gear on them. I think it would be fine for a highway drive. They're not super sport bikes by any means, so your passing power is more limited above the posted speed limits, but you can absolutely ride them just about anywhere for hours at a time!
Great video though 👍new sub
Awesome! Thanks so much!!
I would love to see a KLR650 with a 30 inch seat height (and thats from front to back, not just the lowest part) tubeless tires, and a centerstand. I'd would likely buy one.
I don't see this one changing too much, but I've always felt like there's room for Kawasaki to expand their adventure bike offerings. We'll see!
Just a fast question...can you attach the front zig zag crash bar with fog lights to the KLR 650 "S" MODEL??? I like the big fog lights look.
If you're talking about the bar that holds the lights on the KLR, yes, any of those accessories that fit the taller KLR will fit the KLR S as well.
@@PeterLoweOne thanx for info. I just bought a KLRs ...I like it.
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Its heavy for the rough stuff. Pick it up a few times an you'll realise that rather quickly. It will go anywhere reliably and can be fixed cheap. That being said....I like the features of my 1290 SAS and the fact that the old lady with the tissue box and straw hat on her parcel shelf can't downshift and leave me behind on a hill with her corolla.
Haha. I need to see the Corrolas near you! This is an evolution of a bike that has been extremely popular over the years. I've mentioned in other comments that I'd like to see Kawasaki add two more adventure bikes. One below this in engine size (Ninja 400 engine!) And one above this with multi cylinders and more tech. But for the market that is interested in this bike, it's a great upgrade!
Yea it is not to heavy. If you have pick it , you have allready made misstake. So it is learning thing i suppose...
@@PeterLoweOne Mine was a 2012 with a 685 kit. As i said, reliable...but burnt oil on trips if you went over 5000rpm for long periods and with a load on, well it was snail paced to say the least. I did everything with it, even single track.
So…Accurate !😂😅😊
I’m 6’4 and want my big taller.
Well, shouldn't be a problem since there's tons of standard KLR in the market
Kawasaki👍
So... What's your inseam measurement? Details matter!
I think it's 32? I'm not even sure. I'll have to find out soon!
@@PeterLoweOne 28" here. I can barely reach the ground when just standing. 😁
I think Kawasaki missed Mark when they didn’t come out with the shorter one in the adventure model.
I don't think so. You can literally get every one of those pieces as accessories, and make it yourself. All you would have to do is go to your dealer, tell then you want the KLR S, with the Adventure Accessories. They could price it out for you, and it's all factory stuff. You would leave on a KLR S Adventure, in every way but the name.
please mention your height so we can compare .
I'm about 6 feet tall with about a 32 inch inseam. (haven't measured my inseam recently) 😉
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I'm 6 foot, but I would prefer the S version most of the time for the lower center of gravity. However I might avoid it and just lower the standard version and have the flexibility to raise it when planning an Adventure trip.
For me, the lowered one would give me everything that I would need for an adventure trip. I like the feel of the S model. I think it makes the most sense for me, but knowing there's one with more suspension travel always has me wondering if I would be able to avoid the version with the highest level of capability.
@@PeterLoweOne I spent a couple of years on the original Honda XL250 as my sole transportation. It had a low seat height and limited suspension travel. That bike was so well balanced around town and in the twisties and smooth service trails. The main drawback with that bike was the ground clearance. I think if you are going to Adventure travel any bike off-road with a loaded down bike your seat height will come down automatically. Of course if you begin with a low bike and load it down, you will quite possibly be plagued by ground clearance issues.
@@noelbrown6771 Yeah. I hear what you're saying, I just think that everyone's definition of "adventure" is different and for a whole lot of people, the S is going to be more than good enough. But you're right, it will depend on where you plan to travel, and what you plan to ride over.
Its about time they made major mods to this bike. It barley looks like it predecessor.
It really does carry on the character and purpose of the original, with key updates that make it more desirable. I like this bike!
Forgot to give the seat high for a persons proper inseam
The specs can be found at www.kawasaki.ca My inseam is about 32 inches
So many people fail to mention their inseam measurement when talking about seat height and how they sit/reach on a bike. 🤦♂️
You could be 5 feet or 10 feet tall and it means nothing if you have a 20-inch inseam. Telling people you're 6 feet tall is almost useless.
About 32 inches for the inseam.
Kawa, just put a double stand on it📣
Gonna be easier for riders especially during loading up with those bags@things, before they start roll
A centre stand would be nice. I will say that the foot of the side stand is VERY large, so they're aware that this bike may be parking on less than ideal surfaces.
I’m not a dirt rider, but I can see myself lacing up a 19 inch front wheel and running street tires.
Yeah! Although for me, if you're not going to go on dirt, the Versys 650 is really worth considering. They have a similar riding position, and the Versys is a sportier ride with more highway passing power. I used to own one, so I'm a little biased towards that Versys!
As an older rider the lower height would appeal too me as I cannot swing my leg over like a ballerina as I used to ! Lol....
Haha. I'm still young enough to do ballet... Well... Motorcycle ballet, and I'd have to think long and hard about the S model. I think it's the better bike for a large number of riders including those who are taller. Look at the average Jeep Wrangler. The majority of them on the road are NOT the lifted Jeeps. Those who need extra suspension and clearance decide for the raised Jeeps, but for the majority, a slightly lower ride height does everything they need. I feel like the KLR is the same. Most people probably don't need the taller model.
at $7000USD i will stick to my first gen klr..... it is paid for.
I hear you. Having something in the garage that's paid for is a great feeling, but for those looking for a new bike, this is a great value compared to what's out there in the Adventure Bike space.
the thing is kawasaki is a very loved brand in india only superbike company for the masses honda expensive yamaha only small commuter bikes harley not so much bmw ducati truimph they also do good but very expensive only kawasaki is there for the masses but still no klr650 here they sell everything 90 %of their international bikes ninja 300 to 1000 h2r vulcans versys evrything nd only company that provides mx bikes but no dualsport bikes in india it sucks ..i wish they launch them here folks ride himalayans here this one not so different its cheaper .. then their 650 series
I think every country wants a Kawasaki that they can't have. I'd love to see the 250cc 4 cylinder Ninja that other markets see. But we don't get that one.
Buy the the standard and lower it and still have the full suspension travel..everyone know how soft the klr suspension is anyway..known for bottoming out
I disagree. This is the same price regardless of the S or regular model, so going to the expense of paying extra to get a bike that isn't set up from the factory seems like a more complicated way of going about things. The suspension is individually tuned for each bike, and to be honest, if you're bottoming out the suspension on these bikes, you're probably riding it beyond its intended usage. You can always upgrade shocks, but I would say that VERY few people are going to ride this bike so hard that they run out of travel, and if they do, than this is no longer the right bike for them.
@@PeterLoweOne you can disagree..most people upgrade the suspension anyway so what difference is another 50 bucks for a lower link and adjusting the forks up a little in the triple clamps?
@@gabrielkopp2036 I guess we just differ when you say that "most people upgrade the suspension." There are a lot of people who modify their KLR's in various ways, often by adding accessories, but if it were me, I'd be happy with this latest version of the KLR as is when it comes to the suspension, and I would seriously consider the S model as I think it would be perfect for me, and for most other KLR riders. I don't think it's an issue that we have differing opinions based on our different perspectives, but as someone who is in charge of content on this channel, I do feel it was necessary for me to add some context to the point you made about people regularly bottoming out the suspensions on these bikes. I just don't think that happens nearly as often as you implied.
How will you have all the suspension travel if you drop the forks 1.2" in the yokes? The wheel will hit fender after 7.9 inches of travel.
@@paulh7798 It's made to not bottom out with normal riding. Sure you can make it. But it doesn't just bottom easily as the suspension was made not to do so for this S version.
BMW GS been innovative for forty years with changes yearly. Kawasaki KLR still only has 5 gears. Come in Kawasaki 😢
Yeah, but look at the price. This bike still sells well for Kawasaki as is. Having said that, I've mentioned it before, but I'd like to see Kawasaki at two new adventure bikes. A more adventure version of the current Versys X but use the Ninja 400 engine, and a multi cylinder high tech adventure bike slotting in above the KLR. I don't know how big the market is for a lineup like that, but those would be interesting bikes!
Just dont try ride it over a curb or a rock the drain plug will rip out.
$50 lowering links will do that to any KLR, I did it to mine 🍺
I like that it's offered from the factory with suspension tuned for that ride height. I think Kawasaki is listening to their customers and offering great bikes right now.
Take my money pleeaase
Haha! These are great! Thanks for watching!
shorter riders : (trying to get into dual sport/Adv riding)
Kawasaki : I GOTCHU HOMIE
Haha! This made me laugh. But... Yeah!!
Hi - late again!
You're right on time for me!
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Thirteen minutes just wasn't enough time for him to tell us how much the bike weighs, or what the ground clearance is. Must be a military secret. I'll spend another thirteen minutes researching it I guess.
I'll be honest, my reviews aren't for everyone, but I generally approach my reviews under the assumption that people have heard of the bike before, and know where to find the specs. I also come from a channel that used to get 1 million views a month, and I can tell you from experience that listing spec after spec doesn't do much for watch time. If you think you would do a better review, by all means, feel free. This was my take on the bike, and I'll continue to come back to it again and again to make different reviews. Also, it shouldn't take you 13 minutes to find the specs, so I'll do you a favour and link the website. Cheers! www.kawasaki.ca/en-ca/motorcycle/klr/on-off-road/klr650/2023-klr650-s
@@PeterLoweOne Well that one landed. All I needed was, weight is 465 lbs. and seat height is 32". After all, you did expend alot of oxygen on the size of the bike and how it is shorter and appealing to shorter riders and taller riders alike. Three seconds to say 465 lbs. and 32" seat height, instead of all that repeating yourself...that's all I'm sayin'. You can write me another book and send more links, but it won't compensate for the three seconds this video needed. It's history, now.
@@tangoindiamike9189 I try to match the snark of the comment. You could have asked in a more polite way. Just remember, when you leave a comment on a RUclips channel, there's a real person on the other end who tried their best. Give them the credit they deserve, and ask your question. I invite comments in every one of my videos. I don't invite snark or condescending criticism.
I know what you mean. I’m also too lazy to look things up myself. I expect everyone else to do the work for me.
@@elwood62 I'm not too lazy to do anything, but when a person makes a video that is focused on a bike being short or small, it naturally appeals to shorter or smaller riders. It's damn obvious that two key things they'll want to know are the seat height and weight of the bike. This guy expends time, energy, and oxygen repeating how the bike could appeal to certain people, but doesn't take three seconds to say, "465 pounds and 32" seat". I was very willing to invest the 13+ minutes into this video, because I was certain those details would be included, plus more info and personal opinion. I could have skipped the video, looked up the specs, and learned far more in less time. But you gotta figure, he took the time to do a bike review, certainly, the obviously desired info is included. He got the click count, and got paid accordingly. It's like buying a concert ticket and the band doesn't play their biggest hit from their new release. How do you focus a video on a short bike and not say how short?!?
He never tells the seat height😆
Yeah, there are a number of specs that I don't always point out. That's a spec that I could definitely point out in a video like this, but I assume that this video isn't the first time you've heard of this bike so these videos pick up where the Kawasaki website leave off... If you need to see all the specs, www.kawasaki.ca will always have more than I can include in a video.
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Be nice if reviewers put some guinea pig riders on these bikes..ex a 5'6" rider, a 5' 9" rider etc just occasionally, a female in there too.
I agree, I'd like to do this sometime, but I work alone on these, and not everyone wants to be on video. What I'll try to do for the future, especially on a bike like this, is grab a few people to show what it looks like with various sized people on the bikes. Thanks for watching!
No 6th gear😢
Yeah. An interesting choice. Cost savings maybe? The bike isn't trying to be something it's not. It's a simple bike that can do a LOT. It's also a good value and I wonder if not adding a sixth gear allowed them to hit the price point without redesigning a transmission.
The bike still stuck in 1990's design. Just look at the antique-dash board, so many info missing.
@@mattingray5651 I think that's the point though. They're not trying to make this a "modern" bike. A lot of people like the nostalgic feel of a bike without all the tech. I've said to others, I'd like to see Kawasaki expand out the Adventure line by taking the Versys X300 and bringing it out as an adventure bike with the Ninja 400 engine, and then also coming out with a 700cc + twin cylinder adventure bike to slot above the KLR. That one could have lots of tech. That would be my ideal lineup!
So this bike doesn't have ABS. Disappointing
No gear indicator? No 6th gear? No thanks
I think this is a throwback motorcycle. It isn't going to appeal as much to people who want the latest and greatest of everything. The lack of a tach bothers me more than the lack of a gear indicator, or a 6th gear, but I also think that Kawasaki should look into expanding their adventure lineup. I'd like to see one above the KLR with all the tech, and one below the KLR with the Ninja 400 engine.
Shorter and lower are two very different things. Shorter refers to the wheelbase, lower refers to the height.
I'm pretty sure that viewers of this video will understand what I'm talking about.
@@PeterLoweOne yeah, but he makes a good point, it should be the KLR L…..not the KLR S. I will contact Kawasaki stat and ask them to correct. 😊
@@OM-sb2bd haha. While you're there. Get them to add a sixth gear, a tach, and lower the price in half!
Yes I agree I thought it was wheel base, but checking the presenter made it clear...then what does the s stand for ?
@@wendygerrish4964 Yeah, the S is the "shorter" version, but you're correct it's technically the LOWER version, not shorter. Thanks for watching!
KTM makes a much better dual sport bike. The KLX is a severely antiquated machine, slow, heavy, 1980's suspension.
KTM has had some reliability issues. I also like that Kawasaki has a more robust dealer network. Having said that, KTM does some interesting things, and I'm glad they exist! They definitely push everyone to be better!
@@PeterLoweOne OK I shouldn't have been so harsh. I'm struggling with the fact that I'm older and having physical issued (bad back, plastic knee joints) ride in the Mojave desert and need a mellower bike. A few years ago I sold my beloved Honda 450X and bought KTM 300 XC-W. That bike is the devil. I crashed on it more in the first year than on that Honda for the 6 years I owned it. Personally I'm thinking about a DRZ. Plus I just need an offroad bike because there's no way I'm riding on the street. Not unless I move to a much less populated place.
@@lw3918 If you're considering the DRZ, you should take a look at the KLX300 too. I just did a video on it today.
@@PeterLoweOne I was thinking the 400. The KLX is just to small at a 300.
Thank you . and kawasaki . finnaly a factoy desigser use tbeis little brains . and bmw . are the only sipian brain . !!!! Wow i think humans are evolving . !! 😝
Haha! This is a great way to make a tall bike more accessible to more people. No modifications necessary, it's all done from the factory!
Kawasaki chooses the worst colors of any major brand, for awhile now. I can't imagine their colors don't drive away sales. It did me. I have never placed much emphasis on looks, focusing on performance and reliability, but Kawasaki colors make me want to puke. : P
It's funny because as this bike has been sitting in the showroom, it has, by far, received the most positive comments out of any bike that I've seen lately.
It's tough for motorcycle manufacturers. They're not as big as car manufacturers, and they can't offer as many colours as them. It's impossible for them to please everyone, and although this colour may not be your taste, it's proven popular with many others.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts though! It's this kind of feedback that teaches me what people like and want from a motorcycle or other vehicle.
@@PeterLoweOne Aesthetics of course is completely subjective and personal, and I would never try to convince anyone of what a bike should look like. Actually, the grey one you featured in this video is the most palatable to me. I just don't get the flat primer look paint job with no off-setting trim, secondary colors or graphics. (usually, in my book, manufacturers are guilty of too much in the graphics department.)The impression I get from the KLR is that they never completed the design, paint/graphics job (or listened to some independent marketing firm disconnected from motorcycle enthusiasts). The Honda CB500X green version is also minimalistic in its graphics and trim, and it's green which usually doesn't do so well, but the finish look is quite pleasant and stylish. The KLR 650 would actually be my next bike, but I just can't get past the color scheme they have gone with the the last few years. I'd be interested in independent data/surveys on visual appeal only with an age break down to see how far off base I am. : P
Appreciate the reply!
@@Graybeard_ haha. Yeah. I wonder if the colours are from market surveys or not. I think auto manufacturers tend to tell customers what is "hot" rather than listen to feedback. I can tell you, coming from the auto sector that grey, black, and white are all extremely popular car colours, so there has been a push into finding new greys. You'll see paint colours like this in a lot of new vehicles. We'll see if they translate into motorcycle sales!
Wow that’s pathetic, it’s like their engineers were so stuck it was the only option..
I don't understand what you're upset about? Feel free to expand on things if you can. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
it still weighs too much … SMH
Yeah. This is a throwback bike. It's not meant to be the latest and greatest of everything. I will say though, if you think it weighs too much, try sitting on the S model. It's kind of surprising how much more confidence inspiring that bike is. The tweaks make it feel like a different bike.
@@PeterLoweOne when I was checking out getting a new dual purpose bike in 2021 I ended up with a DR650 and actually now wish I went with my original thought of a 300. I like the Honda 450 but seat height way too high and I wasn’t impressed with the maintenance schedule either.
The KLX 300 may be an option?
@@PeterLoweOne yes it was also … sadly when I was looking to buy a 300 ( either Honda or Kawasaki ) it was in March of 2021 when here in New England there were no Honda’s at any dealer and they didn’t know when they would get them. They had 250’s but I had a 2 XR250’s back in the 1990’s and wanted something a little bigger. There was one dealer that had the 300 Kawasaki and I wish I did go with that one. The DR I bought was arriving at the dealer so I jumped at the chance thinking I needed more power to ride the roads to get to the stuff I wanted to ride. Now that I have put 1100 miles on it … I see that it is way too much for only needing a top speed of 45 mph. If you check my RUclips page you can see the type of riding I do. My plan over the Winter is to install a one tooth smaller front sprocket to lower the speed of 1st gear and add knobby tires.
Not specifically telling us your inseam length makes your sitting demonstration USELESS! Dah....
About 32 inches.
The color is boring and the display is old fashioned. Looks like loaded, it would bottom out in rear.
It won't bottom out in the rear for most riders in most conditions. But it sounds like your opinion is firmly set. Thanks for watching! It sounds like this isn't the bike for you.
SOooo .... would be nice if you said how tall you are !?
"...Waist of time...".
I'm 6 feet tall. 32 inch inseam. Sorry to waste your time. (all you had to do was ask nicely!)
Hey dummy….he mentioned his height twice. First time was at 1:48
Can we remove that horrible thing in the front wheel? Or maybe, make it smaller? I find it very ugly. It makes it look like a parrot.
What horrible thing? Do you mean the green teddy bear in the thumbnail picture? Did you even watch the video?
@@PeterLoweOne haha of course I saw your video man. I'm takling about the (what I think it's called) "front fender" or "mud guard". It's the only think I don't like and I'd like to know if it can be modded somehow.
@@AlejandroVivas Oh!!! Now I get it! Yeah that's the style that a lot of these bikes are going for now. I'm not sure if it's fashion or function. I assume it's both. Haha! Sorry to seem so harsh in my previous response. I've had a few crazies in the comments lately!
Horrible color.
Haha. I went through this with another commenter. It's actually had a LOT of praise from people walking by it in the showroom!
@@PeterLoweOne Are you sure they weren't referring to the bike in general and not the color?😕
@@michaelmelling9333 Haha. Yes. Positive. I actually like this colour. This type of grey is popular in the automotive world. I own a Jeep Wrangler in a similar tone.
@@PeterLoweOne Well, I guess Larry King was right when he would sometimes say on his radio program back in the day, "There's no accounting for taste." 😱
@@michaelmelling9333 Haha! A Larry King reference!! I love it! I think the people who like this colour don't remember Larry King when he was on the radio. 😉
I've said it for years....if you can't flat foot the bike with both feet you shouldn't be on it ...PERIOD ! it's not safe for you or the others around you ! not to mention the bike !
I think that's a helpful guideline for some... But I don't think it's a fast rule. I used to know a short lady who rode an adventure bike and believe me, she was safer than you or me! Motorcycling has built in dangers. We could argue them all day. Young riders on too fast bikes, riders who overestimate their skills, short riders who can't handle tall bikes... All of those are risks that riders have to be honest with themselves about. There is no "period" when it comes to a tall bike. There are simply realities that people need to be honest with themselves about.
Try telling that to the little guy who won Dakar on a massive bmw years ago, everyone is different
BS.
Pure ignorance
Learn to ride.
Offroad you dont want to touch the ground. Don’t need to if you know how to ride
@@dudeqc514 for your information Dude I have been riding sense I was 6 years old and and I'm 70 now... Yes I know how to ride. obviously you do not understand how much more dangerous a tall bike is as compared to one that you can flat foot... your statement is only true to an extent, what about when you want to spin the back around and go the other way ? yes you can do that without touching the ground but it's not as sharp a turn.... touching the ground is of paramount importance yet people like you say it isn't... give me proof ! of your ignorance ... tell me how a taller bike is better than a shorter bike !???? You do not need ground clearance if you do you are not riding it right.... I can take a 6" ground clearance bike over a 24" log and never touch the engine case....
in this case you are the ignorant one dude ! if you insist that you are right then try a test.... lower your bike 2" front and rear and ride it like that for a week
then tell me I am wrong .
you have alot more to learn kid !