I'm glad you mentioned the "under museum condition" part - a TON of people don't know about this, and then they're extremely disappointed when they hang their art or do their own lightfastness testing. I personally don't particularly care about lightfastness, I mostly work in sketchbooks, but I'd probably pay more attention if I started a large project. Or just embrace that everything is ephemeral! I'd love to do something with very intentional use of fugitive colours, to control how some sections fade over time while other remain static. I love that concept but don't have a project plan for it yet...
Thank you for your video💜💜 Yes for me Luminance is worth it but not for the lightfast properties but for the blend of wax and oil. These are soft like Prisma but also hard like Polys. For me that gives the best of both worlds plus they are pigment rich.
It is so great to have so many different brands to try and find just the right pencil that works great for each individual artist. Thanks for your comment
I love colored pencils, I love the Caran d’Ache, also got the Holbeins, Derwent, Faber Castell, etc. I love the feel of the Caran d' Ache and the Holbeins, and yes, I am a colored pencil hoarder and proud of it.
I love this drawing! I love all your drawings, but something about this one...it just makes me smile. So sweet. The pencil details are also very much appreciated. I've settled on Derwent lightfast 100 set. Blick has it in the wooden box and it's been in my wishlist for ages.
My granddaughter lives in Hong Kong, while I am in CA. The past year, we have had 2-hour coloring sessions over Zoom. The motivation for me to use Lightfast is strong.
Jennifer, you hit the nail on the head. I take digital photos of all my coloring pages and I even take pics of each stage I've done my coloring and it's cool to make collages of all the stages of your page and you can print them out on great photo paper, if you want to hang. That's the way to go. I put all my coloring pages in a slip sheet and placed in a binder. I love going through my coloring binders and seeing what I've done. I just figured most colorists would do that, but you're not alone! By the way, lightfast doesn't mean anything for me. I'll continue with the pencils I have and do what I've been doing! 👌👌👌
I'm not really into coloured pencils, I draw with Indian ink or something equivalent like acrylic ink. If I want colour I prefer to use acrylic paint but a lot of the time you couldn't even tell because it looks so much like pencil.
Thank you for giving so much interesting info 💐 Your tests are amazing 👍🏻 I am a coloured pencil addicted from Germany, although I already own about 2000 pencils, but I need more and more and more 😂 My favorites are luminance, derwent lightfast, Polychromos (especially for detailed work) and Prismacolor Premier for toned paper because of their opacity and vibrancy.
I’m a pencil collector (hoarder) so of course I must have all the good things! Is it important for my coloring to be lightfast? Not at all. But I do think artists that are charging for their work should most definitely be using lightfast tools. Thank you for this video.
Thank you! No one seems to talk about that. If you're selling your work you should be disclosing enough information so the buyet/collector knows uf they want to invest in your work and how it should be maintained. No offense to anyone, but I wouldn't be inclined to pay a high end price for something made with inferior products.
Light fast ratings isn't just a coloured pencil issue, I think it is pertinent all across the artistic world. Watercolourists are always talking of using non-fugitive pigments if you want to sell your work and museum curators are always looking to display their acquisitions in the safest light conditions. That said, I'm a hobby artist, I don't need to sell my work but a high quality pencil is a thing of beauty! I've loved my Derwent pencils for their range of beautiful colours, but I wanted an oil based pencil. When I saw they were bringing out the Lightfast range, I wanted them because of their lay down. I don't need them, but I really enjoy using them!
Thank you for your information! It matters to me, really. I'm a rather avid collector of pencils, markers, pens, etc, and I like to have a variety of materials available, from budget friendly to higher end (Lightfast!) mats, because I do a variety of work, and like a good selection. Plus, if I am doing work to present to someone, it is better that I do it with artist quality media, really. Thanks again for your information! I will be on the lookout for more of your videos!💞
UV glass, out of sunlight, fancy paper… in other words, what we’re doing already to keep our pencils lightfast. Ridiculous. I appreciate your your straight talk; too many people are dishing out stupid amounts of money for these pencils, and really it’s not a situation where it will even matter.
Derwent put out the in between colors first and the ones that compliment other pencils. They did have some issues with quality control. Neither should ever be scratchy and they would replace them. I use my Polys as my first layer then add the softness with the other 2 brands then I do detailing in the Polys again and that is my usual method for madness. Also Blick’s puts the Lightfast ones on sale for $2 something regularly. Museum conditions are so goofy. Fortunately some of us have seen colored pencil work from the later 1700s that was not kept in those conditions most of the time AND THEY SURVIVED.
Jennie I honestly think they add the “museum conditions “ small print just to prevent anyone from suing them in the future. Like you said… I think these pencils will stand the test of time if we use our common sense on how we display the final piece of art.
@@ColoringBliss Things just can’t be simple anymore. It’s sad. We have never lived in a world so full of really really great artists and every bit as good as the old masters . But there is just too much disagreements over silly things. Maybe some take themselves too seriously. I love Crayolas too btw and love to doodle with them. I don’t know if you saw how I use a blender but it is the Caran’de ache waterbrush that has the long marker tip and that is where I keep my blender liquid. The brush has a syringe that the top screws on and there is a cap. It cleans of on paper towel. I loved this idea because it doesn’t spillin my bag and I carry 2.
I also collect colored pencils (and markers and coloring books and and and - lol). But the lightfast rating doesn’t matter to me at all as a colorist. My pictures will never hang on a wall and I always leave my pictures in the book so lightfastness is not an issue at all.
Thanks for this “let’s get real” about lightfast ratings. I’m getting so overwhelmed with all the info about “lightfast ratings” lately. When I took art classes years ago in community college, the subject matter didn’t come up that much. Not that it was something unknown or of no concern, but it just wasn’t the primary topic that was stressed when we were being taught about color. But then we weren’t being taught so much about selling our work or displaying it in a gallery. Now however, decades later, as I am working on building my body of work to eventually sell, I do want my ORIGINALS to stand the test of time as much as possible. But in the case where I may choose some colors that aren’t the highest lightfast rating or what if I “adulterate” the paint with another medium? In those cases, I will only advise my customers that while I have used the best materials & high quality paints, it is always best to display artwork out of direct sunlight or away from a sunny window to assure the colors remain as vivid as possible. And then I’m planning to sell “giclee” prints of a lot of my work. Giclee prints as you may know are archival ink jet printing that most fine artists use for their art reproduction ( and that will keep its color for like 100+ years.)
@@ColoringBliss Thanks! I enjoy all your wonderful, informative coloring videos. As I may have mentioned before, coloring was so important for me in getting my art journey going again. No one should ever downplay the importance of “just coloring.” Besides offering an easy way to enjoy color creativity and all the therapeutic values it offers, (without the burden or intimidation of drawing something) it can also build confidence in just doing something artistic, without feeling overwhelmed because your drawing skills aren’t great. And for those who want to move on to do their own artwork, (if they don’t already) it will inform making color choices that dazzle, shading, highlighting and even composition of the work they create. So even though I don’t have time to do the amount of coloring that I used to do, I still enjoy watching your coloring and coloring pencils/marker review videos and making time to just do some relaxing coloring. Thanks again!
for the person that was wondering about the Tammit markers, I purchased these on Amazon. they seem to be okay, I have not had time to color with them much.. they are very fluid is one thing I remember...
Thank you for all of your investigative reporting!!! I have the 76 Luminance 6901 already for coloring in books (I love ❤️). But I was considering the Derwent Lightfast 100 … now I am not so sure. I already have many different quality sets. Not sure I need anither expensive set of pencils. I am not a professional artist by any stretch!!! But thanks to you & Steve & Rosie!!!♥️♥️♥️💐💐💐🌈🌈🌈
Thanks for the video! I use lightfast pencils as I sell my artwork or give to family and so I want it to survive - buyers are probably not questioning my materials but I see it as part of my service to choose the best quality. Like you I also see myself as a collector and I just enjoy owning and working with these great quality pencils. Another important point of the price tag is that these pencils can be bought open stock - so once a colour is used up it can be bought as a single pencil. Also, pencils can be bought individually in the first place, instead of buying sets, to slowly build up a collection. This can be very important to colourists and might actually be better value for money in the long run!
I do most artwork in my sketchbooks ( acid free paper of course ) and I love using rich pigmented colored pencils , yes they are expensive but I don’t think you can put a price on the joy you feel when creating with gorgeous materials. Yes materials aren’t everything but they can improve your experience and process . I absolutely love the luminance and lightfast pencils they deposit such a rich opaque color on the paper and layer really nicely for me !
Lightfastness is worth for me, i took so many hours into my drawings (10-50 hours), hang them on my wall, some are for a gift, and i want to sell original artworks so my products have to be lightfast
The Main point for me is to get the pencil open stock for replacement in Germany. Polychromos, Luminance or Lightfast are the three you can get easy. Prismas are a little tricky here and in Germany they are often same price as Polychromos. The lightfastness is a nice bonus. Have a nice day.
I am going to comment now but you have not yet gotten to the use of certain pigments having a lightfast rating. Certain pigments used in paint or pencils are rated. Now the cheaper pencils that claim a rating are using a lightfast pigment but use fillers that will negate that rating! I am a professional artist and I want my art to last. I use the better quality papers and pigments in my paint and any medium that I use. Digital backups are a good idea and creating a print from my art is another way to make an artwork last a lifetime or longer! I enjoyed watching your video and believe that you did a wonderful job explaining lightfast qualities. I would also say if you just close your coloring pages up in a book the light never touches it and dark storage is better than hanging on a wall! Please take care and be safe, now have your self a lovely day!
The whole thing is very complicated isn’t it!!! That’s why I wish the information from these testing companies was more transparent for the consumer. Thanks for your comment and your insight.
I love knowing that in 100 plus years historians will be discussing the technology and communication via the internet so someone may likely look at that knome (sp) and comment on it. I'm a history nerd so documenting the human experience is quite fascinating to me. I enjoyed the picture and I also want these two sets hehe.
I left a couple of swatch pages on the dash of whichever car I wasn't driving for two months last winter. I wasn't terribly surprised by much. Crayola "Pink" turned into light khaki, every other pencil i swatched was at least a hint of what it used to be. I literally think that the only one I have that I trust not to change much if displayed is Polychromos, and not all of those are as good as Luminance.
Being an Art Teacher and a sometimes professional having several pieces at national art shows, I thought I needed to have them or so my ego told me " lightfast lightfast it yelled. When I got them I did a happy dance but once I used them, I was not as wow over them as I had hoped for they were a bit scratchy and a bit of bloom and a few were only breaking, I sharpened two of them almost down to knobs, not to mention I had to take out a small bank loan just to buy them lol. Derwent's drawing pencils and Prismacolour are my go to work horses, they take OMS like a dream, they blend great with each other and they are creamier and lay down 1000 times better. So for my dollars I wont be buying them again, and that's my two sense lol .
I bought the Caran D'Ache Neocolor II crayons and absolutely adore them, more than the other high end watercolor pencils. When I use them up, I'll replace them. So Caran D'Ache has a soft place for me. But the Neo II's aren't as expensive. I saw the price on the Luminance and I thought, nope. Not worth it. I wouldn't feel like using them, even if I had them, too precious. I have a couple of the Derwent Lightfast and I don't think I'm imagining that they lay down more evenly than my Prismacolor. I really do love them and if I find a good price, I may get more. But until then, I adore my Prismacolor. I like them more than the few Polychromos I have. The Polychromos come closer to matching traditional pigments and are theoretically more lightfast, but the Prismacolors, with their sometimes intense color, make me happier. So this video is a further confirmation of my Prismacolor. I use Daniel Smith watercolor paints more than anything else. I've tried some other paints and even as a relative rookie, I have more fun with Daniel Smith so I'm worth it. But interestingly enough, I had a couple of little paintings that I left out unframed in a spot with no direct sunlight at all, and I think in less than a year, they've faded. Maybe it was the paper I used, or the other media (some gouache spatter in addition to the watercolor), the dilution of the paints, the mixture of paints or whatever. So I think the picky conditions where these lightfastness ratings come into play make lightfastness kind of a low-priority issue. I don't trust any manufacturer to offer the level of lightfastness they promise. They'd have to test every single batch of pigment they produce and I don't think they do. So. Lightfastness, low importance for my use.
I've seen fluorescent paint for sale online labelled with the same 5-star lightfastness rating they give to carbon black! So yes some companies just make up their lightfastness ratings. When I put something on paper I want it to last whether it's a tiny sketch on paper or a huge painting on canvas. I always use lightfast materials, that way I know I can always put something on the wall if i like it and if i want to i can sell it in good conscience. I don't use coloured pencil very much. I'm an illustrator more than a fine artist so mostly I draw in black ink. If i want colour I can get any effect i want with acrylic paint. By the way if you want to reproduce the hatched look of roughly applied pencils you can use heavy body acrylic with a tiny brush. I do use coloured pencil sometimes but my main use is as an oldschool alternative for highlighter pen!
For your information, Derwent has claimed lightfastness in the past on their products, including colored pencils, while they weren’t officially . When they got their pencils tested according to ASTM standards, they failed. Lightfast is the only one that now finally officially has the ASTM rating. Blue Wool Standard has a huge problem, companies can actually do these tests themselves. So a company can relatively easy do this lightfast test, themselves or by a laboratory. The claims you see on even cheap colored pencils might be fairly true, but not necessarily tested in a laboratory, but still with in-house blue wool testing. By the way….. Derwent does all of their Blue Wool testing (even on the lightfast set) in-house…. it’s the main reason I’ve never trusted their ratings. No official agency controlling it. With ASTM their is an official agency controlling the testing, huge difference in my opinion. . Now does this matter to me personally as an artist? In the end not really. Only 3 colored pencil sets have the ASTM D-6901 certificate. Derwent Lightfast being the most recent, Caran D’ache Luminance a couple of years now and Royal Talens Van Gogh Coloured Pencils having the certificate the longest. Prismacolor Premier used to have the certificate, but lost it after manufacturing changes. . Oh…. as for pricing and ASTM or Blue Wool being very expensive to test isn’t totally true. You can get the 60 set of Royal Talens Van Gogh ASTM certified colored pencils for less than €55 (around $60). Same certified lightfast colored pencils for a fraction of the price of Derwent Lightfast or Caran D’Ache Luminance. . I’m with you on Luminance though….. I don’t like to use them either. Not my kind of colored pencils. Have you ever tried the Royal Talens Van Gogh? . By the way, I’ve got colored pencil drawings I made as a kid…… 40 years ago……. With school colored pencils and guess what…… they still look great.
What a load of nonsense. Derwent are accredited to carry out Blue Wool (ISO 105) lightfastness tests and have always published the results of these against all their products. The only product they have had tested against the ASTM D6109 standard is the Lightfast range of pencils. There are only two products in the world to have passed this test.
I love Derwent colored pencils and the lightfast ones are my favorites. I like them better than Luminance. They work well with my complete set of Polychromos and I will over time I think get them all. Do I need them, not really as I am not an artist, however, I do believe in having the best I can afford when it comes to art supplies. Learning to draw and color pencil art is very much better with good quality pencils, so I am glad to have them.
No immediate plans to make the tri tones for the Luminance simply because of the cost of the full set. But…we are seriously considering the Derwent Lightfast.
Do you think that consistency of these pencils had something to do with it's lightfast properties? Soft pastels are considered superior to oil ones, since wax tends to surface out after a period of time, so I have been wondering if pencils, which are on the dry side aren't more appropriate for archival art.
For me I just buy pencils I like. When I did art in school and college I invented in the 120 fc polychromos because I wanted the pictures to last to keep. But other than that I've never worried about it.
I have both and I think Luminance could take a leaf out of Derwent book and write the names on the pencils in black along the barrel so they can be read easily.
Glad you mentioned my favorite pencil, Crayola. People who buy my work know up front the work may or may not be lightfast. The customer has some responsibility for the work. For example, don't hang the work in direct sunlight. *NON OF THE PRODUCTS ARE LIGHT FAST BECAUSE NO ONE HANGS IN MUSEUM CONDITIONS* sooo, with that said they are hicking the price because as P.T. Barnum said, "there is one born every minute." The Daniel Smith fiasco is a nice wake up call. Enough said. GOD BLESS.
yep, overpriced DS products for a product that they were not completely honest about. still beautiful paints but would be wary of selling projects using them.
I don't care about light-fastness so much. I'm like Zanet - I'm a colored pencil hoarder. It's hard for me to go through my colored pencils and get rid of some of them even though I only live in a very small apartment. (!!) I'm slowly building up my collection of Caran d' Ache colored pencils as well as the Derwent Lightfast colored pencils. I wish I could color like that!
The sprays and glass will help but like Jennie said, it doesn’t change what you used for the original piece of art. I think about it like putting milk in the fridge vs leaving it on the shelf.
Help please. Regarding the LUMINANCE... Im buying just a bunch of colors cause I cant afford the whole set. Could you please tell me, which of these colors do you consider a blue violet?!!
Micheal craft store had open stock sale on colored pencils I was looking to just try a few pencils.. to see if I like each type..... I do like derwert also cause the writing on pencils arent shiny I also have hard time seeing shiny writing...
Your sweet little Rose, makes my heart so happy. I had to say goodbye to my sweet little girl Phoebe Lynn at the beginning of the month. She was my coloring buddy. She laid next to me as I watched and listened to your channel and would get so mad at me for waking her up every time I opened a new package or crumbled up something I messed up on. I’d pick her up from her bed on her chair, place her in my lap and give her loves. Oh what I’d give to have my sweet girl! Please give little Rose some loves and treats for me.
I would realy like to find a lightfast watercolor pencil, but the only reliable brand I've found was Art Museum (very expensive). It's an issue with the reds, pinks and purples on every other brand. Is there another brand that has good lightfastness? About the dry pencils, derwent seens to be worth it, if only for this reason, alongside with luminance (also expensive) and most polycrhomos. But feel free to correct me
@@ColoringBliss I have just found the Albrech Dürer you sugested, and most are very lightfast. Bought a few for testing, and they ended up being amazing and not too expensive. Thank you for the sugestion!
Derwent sent me the 72 lightfast. Full Disclosure. I LOVED them. There was definitely a full range of colors. They blended beautifully. Lightfast is worth it to me because I like to hang things on windows. I know direct sunlight. If something will last that is great. I heard other derwent colored pencils are hard to use. These were super easy to put down.
Well done explaining lightfast ratings and museum conditions. I work in museums and often spend these sorts of videos banging my head on things when the presenter gets something backwards. Here’s another phrase for you to investigate; ‘perceptible change’. Have fun.
Oh boy that was done ages ago and I have soooo many more brands now. I would love to do another big battle of the colored pencils and I fully Intended to do one at the beginning of the year, but I ran into a few problems that stopped me. One main issue…are the pencils I have in my studio the same ones that the company is currently selling? For the smaller brands (and even some of the medium like Arteza and Black Widow)…there is no way to know. If I test my pencils and tell you to buy them, but the company has since changed manufactures, formulas, or even color selections, how am I to know? What if the company doesn’t disclose this and the quality has gone down? It was so frustrating to try to wrap my head around how to address this so I postponed filming and have since focused on head to head comparisons with products I can fully research.
hi, Jennifer. I don't know if anyone else has suggested this, but my response to pencil tins is broad elastic. I've used this to keep my tins and sketchbooks in my plein air kit closed for years, and haven't had to change the elastic to date. It costs very little, takes up no noticeable space and is easier to put on and take off than tape. Also, remember that once paper had been put through a printer, unless it's a top quality one with archival inks, the paper is no longer archival, as even where there is no actual colour on the original, the printer still deposits on it. The surface, too, is slightly altered by the printer's feeders. I've found that this has had a serious effect on the way the paper takes watercolour, especially when doing colour wheels and complementary colour exercises with the students, where hand-drawing the number needed is not really feasible, far more so with my new HP printer, as it was never a big issue with my trusty Epsons. (This is 200gsm & 300gsm Fabriano artistico paper). :)
Derwent is a awesome company in general....one of if not my favorite. But these lightfast pencil line is crazy expensive, I realize the testing,etc cost a bunch of money.
I What them to to use on my Bible Journal for Drawing and use as highlightimg for Bible scriptures . I don't have to worry about fading bleeding on the paper
England has a standard with their products , just like Australia .every product needs to have a quality standard I have friends working in quality standard inspectors.
I should point out that both Derwent Lightfast and Caran d'Ache Luminence are 100% lightfast up to 100+ years. The presenter claims that some Luminence do not meet the 100 year condition. All pencils in both products are either LF1 or LF2, where both these mean 100+ years in museum conditions.
When they have either of the 2 forms of rating then that is trusty. But when you see a brand that just has stars with no explanation like Holbein, who said they tested them from within their company (Hello Holbein) that is not so trustworthy but I heard (reference Lacri art)colored pencil artists association has been carrying out a basic Blue Wool test and apparently those stars don’t mean anything. Maybe they will get the testing really done or or just stop selling them as professional artist grade and lower their prices because they are higher than Polychromos (buy them instead). That would be a huge loss to the Holbein company if they didn’t test them or sold them as cheapies. But their gouache and watercolor have some lightfast issues also. It is sad because of how that company really reintroduced industry and the arts and jobs after the Second World War. I don’t buy pigments of any sort from Amazon and not even my paper.Ok my brain just decided to make me sing a song that most wouldn’t recognize but maybe you guys do. It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing..dowap dowap…ok Duke Ellington just popped out. Well I have to use lightfast pencils otherwise my sold art would “not mean a thing”
Jennie you make me laugh…especially because I followed that entire train of thought!!! 😂😂 Holbein is another story all together. Can you believe how expensive those pencils are?!?!?
@@ColoringBliss it’s nuts! And I have to buy a few at a time because of my disability but over five years have been able to get the 3 top brands and replacements. But I see these reviews of so called artists that are loco over these Holbein. Yeesh when they leave the source on where to purchase then I get it. If they were correctly priced then great but I could not even figure these out. One RUclipsr even layered these on black paper and I couldn’t see much and I thought these people would buy anything.
@@ColoringBliss yep. If you save it in jpeg, your photo will disappear one day. Best one is eps but then you won’t have very much programs that can access that except for Photoshop. I save mine in png. The middle ground.
The digital photo will only deteriorate if it is edited and saved repeatedly. It will not lose any quality, deteriorate or change in any way if it's not edited.
Thanks for the video 🙂 I would just like to point out in a friendly way that you said "fellow con·sum·er·ist" in your video. I only consider myself to be a consumer 😆 but con·sum·er·ist is often meant as derogatory and I wasn't sure if it was just a slip up bcuz you are so used to saying colorist or if it was actually meant that we are self-indulgent consumerist preoccupied with the aquisition of consumer goods 🤣😂 bcuz sometimes it sure seems like that's exactly the type of consumer RUclips wants 🤣😂
The steps of the standards that ATSM uses for testing are easily available with a little searching, and anyone who is either a member of their organization or has a subscription to their service can access the full documentation of the process. Anyone who isn't just has to cough up some cash to do so. Also, you should be able to contact company reps to request a copy of their lightfastness report (which will have roughly the same success rate of any official inquiry to a company, so your favorite luck ritual goes here.) Just because you're a basic colorist doesn't mean you can't do a little research and find out more about what this all means. If you take pride in your work and want to know more about the materials you use an the longevity of it and what standards it's beholden to, there is a wealth of material online you can dig into. Don't talk yourself down and insult your own intelligence...
Your comment validates every frustration I shared in this video. Over the years (this is a frequent topic in my videos) I have done hours of online research on this topic and have consistently hit dead ends, conflicting opinions, or “pay for more” links. It is my opinion that if manufacturers and marketing teams are using this information as a major selling point for their products, then consumers should easily be able to access and compare it. The fact that many colorists have resorted to doing their own home tests to verify lightfast results (that they are paying a premium for) shows you that there is a major problem with the testing system, the trustworthiness of the system, and the flow of information to the consumer. It is the intelligence of this system that we should be questioning.
@@ColoringBliss The system isn't the trouble. The trouble is the companies not sharing the results in any form other than the most simplified, or not wanting to pay the fees for the proper testing and either making it up, or doing their own "in house" testing that has no oversight. Most standards have fees attached to them because that's the only way these bodies make the money needed to do the testing. People who are industry professionals (mostly on the manufacturing end) often have access to what's behind the paywalls due to memberships and professional organizations, and depending on the testing standard and the industry, there are databases of results that are pay-to-access (again, to cover the costs of hosting that database.) The trouble that comes in is that companies who are selling you a product, have a vested interest in giving the consumer only the information that they think will help them sell a product. Some more reputable manufacturers will have more transparency banking on honesty and a good consumer relationship to sell their product rather than empty claims, but with the flood of cheap art supplies from China, companies reselling these either have to opt to pay for testing, or to trust the manufacture, who has no vested interest in the end result. And when the factory changes between batches, like it often will when dealing with brands who are just private labeling instead of making their own products in their own facilities, all that data is lost and would have to be redone. So no, you will never get accurate lightfast ratings from someplace like Arteza. There's not even a batch number to indicate which formula or factory the sets are from. The standards are not the problem. The companies selling the product are, as is often the case in all consumer products.
Good points. I guess we have to ask ourselves…do we want more oversight for art products? As consumers we could demand an “all powerful” oversight commission with rules and laws that every art supply company must bow down to so that we could have regulated and predictable products (ie…FDA, FTC, etc) or… We stick with what we have now…the “wild-Wild West” of Art supplies. A free market that keeps Cost down, innovation flowing, and often scams persisting. It’s a tricky balance.
@@ColoringBliss As someone who works tangent to industries where standards and codes are very prevalent (for very good reasons) I can say with pessimistic determination that there will never be that level of regulation for an industry that is not tangent to something that can directly affect life and death. Companies fight tooth and nail to avoid regulations because they want to cut costs, and we as consumers pay the price for it in many ways. (I could go on a long rant about the myth of the so-called free market but that's getting a little too far from the point of this all.) Plus, the FDA and FTC are both heavily underfunded and reliant on the companies they are regulating to do their jobs. (there is very little to no independent testing done because there just simply isn't the budget for it, so companies will supply their own testing and the FDA just has to hope that it's done correctly and honestly....) If we can't even get something that important right, there's really no hope that something as small as art supplies. Especially when things like lead paint, of all things, keep winding up being used in children's toys. If action is going to be taken, we need to put pressure on companies to actually share the testing results when they do pay for it. If they're marketing to us using that, they should be willing to do it right. Any company that won't, just assume they aren't what they're claiming.
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I'm glad you mentioned the "under museum condition" part - a TON of people don't know about this, and then they're extremely disappointed when they hang their art or do their own lightfastness testing. I personally don't particularly care about lightfastness, I mostly work in sketchbooks, but I'd probably pay more attention if I started a large project.
Or just embrace that everything is ephemeral! I'd love to do something with very intentional use of fugitive colours, to control how some sections fade over time while other remain static. I love that concept but don't have a project plan for it yet...
Thank you for your video💜💜 Yes for me Luminance is worth it but not for the lightfast properties but for the blend of wax and oil. These are soft like Prisma but also hard like Polys. For me that gives the best of both worlds plus they are pigment rich.
It is so great to have so many different brands to try and find just the right pencil that works great for each individual artist. Thanks for your comment
Thank you for the in depth info on light-fast ratings. The pencils are both gorgeous. I would love them both.
I love colored pencils, I love the Caran d’Ache, also got the Holbeins, Derwent, Faber Castell, etc. I love the feel of the Caran d'
Ache and the Holbeins, and yes, I am a colored pencil hoarder and proud of it.
Yes!!! So many lovely pencils to try and collect ❤️😊
@@ColoringBliss Yes!
I'm keen to try the Holbein pencils but they are expensive! Otherwise, I would like to buy Caran d’Ache pencils.
I love this drawing! I love all your drawings, but something about this one...it just makes me smile. So sweet. The pencil details are also very much appreciated. I've settled on Derwent lightfast 100 set. Blick has it in the wooden box and it's been in my wishlist for ages.
My granddaughter lives in Hong Kong, while I am in CA. The past year, we have had 2-hour coloring sessions over Zoom. The motivation for me to use Lightfast is strong.
Jennifer, you hit the nail on the head. I take digital photos of all my coloring pages and I even take pics of each stage I've done my coloring and it's cool to make collages of all the stages of your page and you can print them out on great photo paper, if you want to hang. That's the way to go. I put all my coloring pages in a slip sheet and placed in a binder. I love going through my coloring binders and seeing what I've done. I just figured most colorists would do that, but you're not alone! By the way, lightfast doesn't mean anything for me. I'll continue with the pencils I have and do what I've been doing! 👌👌👌
I'm not really into coloured pencils, I draw with Indian ink or something equivalent like acrylic ink. If I want colour I prefer to use acrylic paint but a lot of the time you couldn't even tell because it looks so much like pencil.
Thank you for giving so much interesting info 💐 Your tests are amazing 👍🏻
I am a coloured pencil addicted from Germany, although I already own about 2000 pencils, but I need more and more and more 😂
My favorites are luminance, derwent lightfast, Polychromos (especially for detailed work) and Prismacolor Premier for toned paper because of their opacity and vibrancy.
You all are so cute. Your smiles make me 😃!
I’m a pencil collector (hoarder) so of course I must have all the good things! Is it important for my coloring to be lightfast? Not at all. But I do think artists that are charging for their work should most definitely be using lightfast tools. Thank you for this video.
Thank you! No one seems to talk about that. If you're selling your work you should be disclosing enough information so the buyet/collector knows uf they want to invest in your work and how it should be maintained.
No offense to anyone, but I wouldn't be inclined to pay a high end price for something made with inferior products.
I could feel you, so relatable, I mean as a color pencils collector, 😍🥰😋..the joy of collecting them, omg!🤭💐
Light fast ratings isn't just a coloured pencil issue, I think it is pertinent all across the artistic world. Watercolourists are always talking of using non-fugitive pigments if you want to sell your work and museum curators are always looking to display their acquisitions in the safest light conditions. That said, I'm a hobby artist, I don't need to sell my work but a high quality pencil is a thing of beauty! I've loved my Derwent pencils for their range of beautiful colours, but I wanted an oil based pencil. When I saw they were bringing out the Lightfast range, I wanted them because of their lay down. I don't need them, but I really enjoy using them!
Thank you for explaining about lightfastness and conditions in the museums.
Love the Lightfast Colored Pencils 😊
Thank you for your information! It matters to me, really. I'm a rather avid collector of pencils, markers, pens, etc, and I like to have a variety of materials available, from budget friendly to higher end (Lightfast!) mats, because I do a variety of work, and like a good selection. Plus, if I am doing work to present to someone, it is better that I do it with artist quality media, really. Thanks again for your information! I will be on the lookout for more of your videos!💞
UV glass, out of sunlight, fancy paper… in other words, what we’re doing already to keep our pencils lightfast.
Ridiculous.
I appreciate your your straight talk; too many people are dishing out stupid amounts of money for these pencils, and really it’s not a situation where it will even matter.
Derwent put out the in between colors first and the ones that compliment other pencils. They did have some issues with quality control. Neither should ever be scratchy and they would replace them. I use my Polys as my first layer then add the softness with the other 2 brands then I do detailing in the Polys again and that is my usual method for madness. Also Blick’s puts the Lightfast ones on sale for $2 something regularly. Museum conditions are so goofy. Fortunately some of us have seen colored pencil work from the later 1700s that was not kept in those conditions most of the time AND THEY SURVIVED.
Jennie I honestly think they add the “museum conditions “ small print just to prevent anyone from suing them in the future. Like you said… I think these pencils will stand the test of time if we use our common sense on how we display the final piece of art.
@@ColoringBliss Things just can’t be simple anymore. It’s sad. We have never lived in a world so full of really really great artists and every bit as good as the old masters . But there is just too much disagreements over silly things. Maybe some take themselves too seriously. I love Crayolas too btw and love to doodle with them. I don’t know if you saw how I use a blender but it is the Caran’de ache waterbrush that has the long marker tip and that is where I keep my blender liquid. The brush has a syringe that the top screws on and there is a cap. It cleans of on paper towel. I loved this idea because it doesn’t spillin my bag and I carry 2.
I am new to your channel and I like your candor and smile.
Oh no, I missed your give away. I only just found you this week and doing a binge watch, your website is great, thank you.
I also collect colored pencils (and markers and coloring books and and and - lol). But the lightfast rating doesn’t matter to me at all as a colorist. My pictures will never hang on a wall and I always leave my pictures in the book so lightfastness is not an issue at all.
Thanks for this “let’s get real” about lightfast ratings. I’m getting so overwhelmed with all the info about “lightfast ratings” lately. When I took art classes years ago in community college, the subject matter didn’t come up that much. Not that it was something unknown or of no concern, but it just wasn’t the primary topic that was stressed when we were being taught about color. But then we weren’t being taught so much about selling our work or displaying it in a gallery. Now however, decades later, as I am working on building my body of work to eventually sell, I do want my ORIGINALS to stand the test of time as much as possible. But in the case where I may choose some colors that aren’t the highest lightfast rating or what if I “adulterate” the paint with another medium? In those cases, I will only advise my customers that while I have used the best materials & high quality paints, it is always best to display artwork out of direct sunlight or away from a sunny window to assure the colors remain as vivid as possible. And then I’m planning to sell “giclee” prints of a lot of my work. Giclee prints as you may know are archival ink jet printing that most fine artists use for their art reproduction ( and that will keep its color for like 100+ years.)
Great comment Nancy and such a great perspective on how all of this effects your professional work. Thanks!
@@ColoringBliss Thanks! I enjoy all your wonderful, informative coloring videos. As I may have mentioned before, coloring was so important for me in getting my art journey going again. No one should ever downplay the importance of “just coloring.” Besides offering an easy way to enjoy color creativity and all the therapeutic values it offers, (without the burden or intimidation of drawing something) it can also build confidence in just doing something artistic, without feeling overwhelmed because your drawing skills aren’t great. And for those who want to move on to do their own artwork, (if they don’t already) it will inform making color choices that dazzle, shading, highlighting and even composition of the work they create. So even though I don’t have time to do the amount of coloring that I used to do, I still enjoy watching your coloring and coloring pencils/marker review videos and making time to just do some relaxing coloring. Thanks again!
for the person that was wondering about the Tammit markers, I purchased these on Amazon. they seem to be okay, I have not had time to color with them much.. they are very fluid is one thing I remember...
Thank you for all of your investigative reporting!!! I have the 76 Luminance 6901 already for coloring in books (I love ❤️). But I was considering the Derwent Lightfast 100 … now I am not so sure. I already have many different quality sets. Not sure I need anither expensive set of pencils. I am not a professional artist by any stretch!!! But thanks to you & Steve & Rosie!!!♥️♥️♥️💐💐💐🌈🌈🌈
Alice you sound like me!!! 😂 Do I NEED these new pencils?! Of course not! Do I WANT them?! YES!! 🤪😂
Thanks for the video! I use lightfast pencils as I sell my artwork or give to family and so I want it to survive - buyers are probably not questioning my materials but I see it as part of my service to choose the best quality. Like you I also see myself as a collector and I just enjoy owning and working with these great quality pencils. Another important point of the price tag is that these pencils can be bought open stock - so once a colour is used up it can be bought as a single pencil. Also, pencils can be bought individually in the first place, instead of buying sets, to slowly build up a collection. This can be very important to colourists and might actually be better value for money in the long run!
Thanks for your perspective on how you use these products. 😊
I do most artwork in my sketchbooks ( acid free paper of course ) and I love using rich pigmented colored pencils , yes they are expensive but I don’t think you can put a price on the joy you feel when creating with gorgeous materials. Yes materials aren’t everything but they can improve your experience and process . I absolutely love the luminance and lightfast pencils they deposit such a rich opaque color on the paper and layer really nicely for me !
Lightfastness is worth for me, i took so many hours into my drawings (10-50 hours), hang them on my wall, some are for a gift, and i want to sell original artworks so my products have to be lightfast
The Main point for me is to get the pencil open stock for replacement in Germany. Polychromos, Luminance or Lightfast are the three you can get easy. Prismas are a little tricky here and in Germany they are often same price as Polychromos. The lightfastness is a nice bonus. Have a nice day.
I am going to comment now but you have not yet gotten to the use of certain pigments having a lightfast rating. Certain pigments used in paint or pencils are rated. Now the cheaper pencils that claim a rating are using a lightfast pigment but use fillers that will negate that rating! I am a professional artist and I want my art to last. I use the better quality papers and pigments in my paint and any medium that I use. Digital backups are a good idea and creating a print from my art is another way to make an artwork last a lifetime or longer! I enjoyed watching your video and believe that you did a wonderful job explaining lightfast qualities. I would also say if you just close your coloring pages up in a book the light never touches it and dark storage is better than hanging on a wall! Please take care and be safe, now have your self a lovely day!
Very very true the media affects the chemical interactions.
The whole thing is very complicated isn’t it!!! That’s why I wish the information from these testing companies was more transparent for the consumer. Thanks for your comment and your insight.
I love knowing that in 100 plus years historians will be discussing the technology and communication via the internet so someone may likely look at that knome (sp) and comment on it. I'm a history nerd so documenting the human experience is quite fascinating to me.
I enjoyed the picture and I also want these two sets hehe.
Very thorough review. Thank you. Love your Maltese on the pillow. ❤️
I left a couple of swatch pages on the dash of whichever car I wasn't driving for two months last winter. I wasn't terribly surprised by much. Crayola "Pink" turned into light khaki, every other pencil i swatched was at least a hint of what it used to be. I literally think that the only one I have that I trust not to change much if displayed is Polychromos, and not all of those are as good as Luminance.
Being an Art Teacher and a sometimes professional having several pieces at national art shows, I thought I needed to have them or so my ego told me " lightfast lightfast it yelled. When I got them I did a happy dance but once I used them, I was not as wow over them as I had hoped for they were a bit scratchy and a bit of bloom and a few were only breaking, I sharpened two of them almost down to knobs, not to mention I had to take out a small bank loan just to buy them lol. Derwent's drawing pencils and Prismacolour are my go to work horses, they take OMS like a dream, they blend great with each other and they are creamier and lay down 1000 times better. So for my dollars I wont be buying them again, and that's my two sense lol .
Thanks for the comment and your perspective. I totally agree about being underwhelmed by them.
Hi Marz, Can you please let me know which sharpener did u use to sharpen these Derwent pencils? Bcz their size is wider than usual pencils size.
I bought the Caran D'Ache Neocolor II crayons and absolutely adore them, more than the other high end watercolor pencils. When I use them up, I'll replace them. So Caran D'Ache has a soft place for me. But the Neo II's aren't as expensive. I saw the price on the Luminance and I thought, nope. Not worth it. I wouldn't feel like using them, even if I had them, too precious. I have a couple of the Derwent Lightfast and I don't think I'm imagining that they lay down more evenly than my Prismacolor. I really do love them and if I find a good price, I may get more. But until then, I adore my Prismacolor. I like them more than the few Polychromos I have. The Polychromos come closer to matching traditional pigments and are theoretically more lightfast, but the Prismacolors, with their sometimes intense color, make me happier. So this video is a further confirmation of my Prismacolor. I use Daniel Smith watercolor paints more than anything else. I've tried some other paints and even as a relative rookie, I have more fun with Daniel Smith so I'm worth it. But interestingly enough, I had a couple of little paintings that I left out unframed in a spot with no direct sunlight at all, and I think in less than a year, they've faded. Maybe it was the paper I used, or the other media (some gouache spatter in addition to the watercolor), the dilution of the paints, the mixture of paints or whatever. So I think the picky conditions where these lightfastness ratings come into play make lightfastness kind of a low-priority issue. I don't trust any manufacturer to offer the level of lightfastness they promise. They'd have to test every single batch of pigment they produce and I don't think they do. So. Lightfastness, low importance for my use.
I've seen fluorescent paint for sale online labelled with the same 5-star lightfastness rating they give to carbon black!
So yes some companies just make up their lightfastness ratings.
When I put something on paper I want it to last whether it's a tiny sketch on paper or a huge painting on canvas. I always use lightfast materials, that way I know I can always put something on the wall if i like it and if i want to i can sell it in good conscience. I don't use coloured pencil very much. I'm an illustrator more than a fine artist so mostly I draw in black ink. If i want colour I can get any effect i want with acrylic paint. By the way if you want to reproduce the hatched look of roughly applied pencils you can use heavy body acrylic with a tiny brush. I do use coloured pencil sometimes but my main use is as an oldschool alternative for highlighter pen!
For your information, Derwent has claimed lightfastness in the past on their products, including colored pencils, while they weren’t officially . When they got their pencils tested according to ASTM standards, they failed. Lightfast is the only one that now finally officially has the ASTM rating. Blue Wool Standard has a huge problem, companies can actually do these tests themselves. So a company can relatively easy do this lightfast test, themselves or by a laboratory. The claims you see on even cheap colored pencils might be fairly true, but not necessarily tested in a laboratory, but still with in-house blue wool testing. By the way….. Derwent does all of their Blue Wool testing (even on the lightfast set) in-house…. it’s the main reason I’ve never trusted their ratings. No official agency controlling it. With ASTM their is an official agency controlling the testing, huge difference in my opinion.
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Now does this matter to me personally as an artist? In the end not really. Only 3 colored pencil sets have the ASTM D-6901 certificate. Derwent Lightfast being the most recent, Caran D’ache Luminance a couple of years now and Royal Talens Van Gogh Coloured Pencils having the certificate the longest. Prismacolor Premier used to have the certificate, but lost it after manufacturing changes.
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Oh…. as for pricing and ASTM or Blue Wool being very expensive to test isn’t totally true. You can get the 60 set of Royal Talens Van Gogh ASTM certified colored pencils for less than €55 (around $60). Same certified lightfast colored pencils for a fraction of the price of Derwent Lightfast or Caran D’Ache Luminance.
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I’m with you on Luminance though….. I don’t like to use them either. Not my kind of colored pencils. Have you ever tried the Royal Talens Van Gogh?
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By the way, I’ve got colored pencil drawings I made as a kid…… 40 years ago……. With school colored pencils and guess what…… they still look great.
Me too and I hang it on a wall behind plastic glass made with caylona color pencil still look good.
What a load of nonsense. Derwent are accredited to carry out Blue Wool (ISO 105) lightfastness tests and have always published the results of these against all their products. The only product they have had tested against the ASTM D6109 standard is the Lightfast range of pencils. There are only two products in the world to have passed this test.
Omg I love your dog I thought it was a fluffy pillow till he moved lol
I love Derwent colored pencils and the lightfast ones are my favorites. I like them better than Luminance. They work well with my complete set of Polychromos and I will over time I think get them all. Do I need them, not really as I am not an artist, however, I do believe in having the best I can afford when it comes to art supplies. Learning to draw and color pencil art is very much better with good quality pencils, so I am glad to have them.
Derwent has AWESOME customer service,they will replace the scarlet! Edited to ask a question. Will we get color family sheets for either of these?
No immediate plans to make the tri tones for the Luminance simply because of the cost of the full set. But…we are seriously considering the Derwent Lightfast.
Do you think that consistency of these pencils had something to do with it's lightfast properties? Soft pastels are considered superior to oil ones, since wax tends to surface out after a period of time, so I have been wondering if pencils, which are on the dry side aren't more appropriate for archival art.
Thank you soooo much for this video!💓🌞😊
Tyvm, another quality, informative and relaxed video.
For me I just buy pencils I like. When I did art in school and college I invented in the 120 fc polychromos because I wanted the pictures to last to keep. But other than that I've never worried about it.
I have both and I think Luminance could take a leaf out of Derwent book and write the names on the pencils in black along the barrel so they can be read easily.
Yes! I find the silver & now white with the new 24 colours impossible to read on the Luminance.
Glad you mentioned my favorite pencil, Crayola. People who buy my work know up front the work may or may not be lightfast. The customer has some responsibility for the work. For example, don't hang the work in direct sunlight. *NON OF THE PRODUCTS ARE LIGHT FAST BECAUSE NO ONE HANGS IN MUSEUM CONDITIONS* sooo, with that said they are hicking the price because as P.T. Barnum said, "there is one born every minute." The Daniel Smith fiasco is a nice wake up call. Enough said. GOD BLESS.
And what was that?
yep, overpriced DS products for a product that they were not completely honest about. still beautiful paints but would be wary of selling projects using them.
I don't think it will matter for me. Later on I could change my mind about that but for now I'll just stick with the Derwent Lightfast.
Hi, Can you please let me know which sharpener did u use to sharpen these Derwent pencils? Bcz their size is wider than usual pencils size.
Love your videos.. I have learned so much from you. Thank you
This dog is so lovely ❤️
Jennifer, I know the caran d’ache aren’t your favorite brand but since you swatched both of the following which do you like better-Luminance or Pablo?
That Derwent Lightfast set appears to be a "portrait palette".
Exactly what I thought.
That's exactly right, they're not the complete line so they're missing the brilliant colors and can be used primarily for landscapes or portraits.
love this discussion.
I don't care about light-fastness so much. I'm like Zanet - I'm a colored pencil hoarder. It's hard for me to go through my colored pencils and get rid of some of them even though I only live in a very small apartment. (!!) I'm slowly building up my collection of Caran d' Ache colored pencils as well as the Derwent Lightfast colored pencils.
I wish I could color like that!
I have the derwent lightfast 12 set. They sharpen like butter. After sharpening prismacolor I was like wow omg.
how would you compare the feel of the Derwent lightfast pencils to Prismacolor premiere?
Hello, it is possible to use anti-uv spray on non-lightfast pencils coloring. Did you test it ?
Unfortunately it doesn’t affect the change in the pigments. No matter what media if they aren’t going to last the uv glass is overrated hugely.
The sprays and glass will help but like Jennie said, it doesn’t change what you used for the original piece of art. I think about it like putting milk in the fridge vs leaving it on the shelf.
Help please. Regarding the LUMINANCE... Im buying just a bunch of colors cause I cant afford the whole set. Could you please tell me, which of these colors do you consider a blue violet?!!
The Derwent are 3 primaries, 3 secondaries, plus 2 earth, black and white. Makes sense to me.
How can I enter the giveaway?
Micheal craft store had open stock sale on colored pencils I was looking to just try a few pencils.. to see if I like each type..... I do like derwert also cause the writing on pencils arent shiny I also have hard time seeing shiny writing...
Your sweet little Rose, makes my heart so happy. I had to say goodbye to my sweet little girl Phoebe Lynn at the beginning of the month. She was my coloring buddy. She laid next to me as I watched and listened to your channel and would get so mad at me for waking her up every time I opened a new package or crumbled up something I messed up on. I’d pick her up from her bed on her chair, place her in my lap and give her loves. Oh what I’d give to have my sweet girl! Please give little Rose some loves and treats for me.
My full set is on the way to my mail box.
I would realy like to find a lightfast watercolor pencil, but the only reliable brand I've found was Art Museum (very expensive). It's an issue with the reds, pinks and purples on every other brand. Is there another brand that has good lightfastness?
About the dry pencils, derwent seens to be worth it, if only for this reason, alongside with luminance (also expensive) and most polycrhomos. But feel free to correct me
Have you looked into the Faber-Castell Albrecht Durer watercolor pencils?
@@ColoringBliss I have just found the Albrech Dürer you sugested, and most are very lightfast. Bought a few for testing, and they ended up being amazing and not too expensive. Thank you for the sugestion!
Derwent sent me the 72 lightfast. Full
Disclosure. I LOVED them. There was definitely a full range of colors. They blended beautifully. Lightfast is worth it to me because I like to hang things on windows. I know direct sunlight. If something will last that is great. I heard other derwent colored pencils are hard to use. These were super easy to put down.
Thanks for your nice review about all this products.☺️❤️
Hi and I’m #63.5k+☺️👋🏻
God bless you.🙏🏻
Well done explaining lightfast ratings and museum conditions. I work in museums and often spend these sorts of videos banging my head on things when the presenter gets something backwards. Here’s another phrase for you to investigate; ‘perceptible change’. Have fun.
Oh no I've gone cross-eyed...!!🤪 Lol!!
Agreed! 🤪
I'd say lightfastness matters if you're doing commissions but if they're for personal use not so much
Where would be without you guys, do you still stand by your one video where you compared colored pencils and had Dick Blick come in first?
Oh boy that was done ages ago and I have soooo many more brands now. I would love to do another big battle of the colored pencils and I fully Intended to do one at the beginning of the year, but I ran into a few problems that stopped me. One main issue…are the pencils I have in my studio the same ones that the company is currently selling? For the smaller brands (and even some of the medium like Arteza and Black Widow)…there is no way to know. If I test my pencils and tell you to buy them, but the company has since changed manufactures, formulas, or even color selections, how am I to know? What if the company doesn’t disclose this and the quality has gone down?
It was so frustrating to try to wrap my head around how to address this so I postponed filming and have since focused on head to head comparisons with products I can fully research.
hi, Jennifer. I don't know if anyone else has suggested this, but my response to pencil tins is broad elastic. I've used this to keep my tins and sketchbooks in my plein air kit closed for years, and haven't had to change the elastic to date. It costs very little, takes up no noticeable space and is easier to put on and take off than tape.
Also, remember that once paper had been put through a printer, unless it's a top quality one with archival inks, the paper is no longer archival, as even where there is no actual colour on the original, the printer still deposits on it. The surface, too, is slightly altered by the printer's feeders.
I've found that this has had a serious effect on the way the paper takes watercolour, especially when doing colour wheels and complementary colour exercises with the students, where hand-drawing the number needed is not really feasible, far more so with my new HP printer, as it was never a big issue with my trusty Epsons. (This is 200gsm & 300gsm Fabriano artistico paper).
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It is stunning , keep it to decorate your grand children room
Derwent is a awesome company in general....one of if not my favorite. But these lightfast pencil line is crazy expensive, I realize the testing,etc cost a bunch of money.
I What them to to use on my Bible Journal for Drawing and use as highlightimg for Bible scriptures . I don't have to worry about fading bleeding on the paper
The Derwent’s almost look like a portrait set.
You’re right, just need to buy others polychromos with oil bas at unity and you will have a complete set for portraits very cheapest price!
England has a standard with their products , just like Australia .every product needs to have a quality standard I have friends working in quality standard inspectors.
I should point out that both Derwent Lightfast and Caran d'Ache Luminence are 100% lightfast up to 100+ years. The presenter claims that some Luminence do not meet the 100 year condition. All pencils in both products are either LF1 or LF2, where both these mean 100+ years in museum conditions.
When they have either of the 2 forms of rating then that is trusty. But when you see a brand that just has stars with no explanation like Holbein, who said they tested them from within their company (Hello Holbein) that is not so trustworthy but I heard (reference Lacri art)colored pencil artists association has been carrying out a basic Blue Wool test and apparently those stars don’t mean anything. Maybe they will get the testing really done or or just stop selling them as professional artist grade and lower their prices because they are higher than Polychromos (buy them instead). That would be a huge loss to the Holbein company if they didn’t test them or sold them as cheapies. But their gouache and watercolor have some lightfast issues also. It is sad because of how that company really reintroduced industry and the arts and jobs after the Second World War. I don’t buy pigments of any sort from Amazon and not even my paper.Ok my brain just decided to make me sing a song that most wouldn’t recognize but maybe you guys do. It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing..dowap dowap…ok Duke Ellington just popped out. Well I have to use lightfast pencils otherwise my sold art would “not mean a thing”
Jennie you make me laugh…especially because I followed that entire train of thought!!! 😂😂
Holbein is another story all together. Can you believe how expensive those pencils are?!?!?
@@ColoringBliss it’s nuts! And I have to buy a few at a time because of my disability but over five years have been able to get the 3 top brands and replacements. But I see these reviews of so called artists that are loco over these Holbein. Yeesh when they leave the source on where to purchase then I get it. If they were correctly priced then great but I could not even figure these out. One RUclipsr even layered these on black paper and I couldn’t see much and I thought these people would buy anything.
concerning lightfast and collection of information in addition to there own testing and link to ASTM Standard
Full set is 100 pencils isn’t it for derwent ?
Yes, I believe so.
All coloured pencils contain both oil and wax, just some have more oil and some more wax.
100 years? I highly doubt it
digital photo will deteriorate depending on which format you save it in. PNG or TGA, we were taught that in graphic design school.
No!!!!!! Really?! Now I need to research that. 🧐
@@ColoringBliss yep. If you save it in jpeg, your photo will disappear one day. Best one is eps but then you won’t have very much programs that can access that except for Photoshop. I save mine in png. The middle ground.
↖️ professional graphic designer
The digital photo will only deteriorate if it is edited and saved repeatedly. It will not lose any quality, deteriorate or change in any way if it's not edited.
@@BlueKungFu if that'll be the case then all the photo graphic designer uses will deteriorate cause we edit the photo suit our needs.
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I really do not care for the Luminance pencils. I found them to break easily, and they are hard to put on paper or blend. Not for me.
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I've gone a bit overboard with my coloured pencil collection ha ha. An expensive hobby!
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Thanks for the video 🙂 I would just like to point out in a friendly way that you said "fellow con·sum·er·ist" in your video. I only consider myself to be a consumer 😆 but con·sum·er·ist is often meant as derogatory and I wasn't sure if it was just a slip up bcuz you are so used to saying colorist or if it was actually meant that we are self-indulgent consumerist preoccupied with the aquisition of consumer goods 🤣😂 bcuz sometimes it sure seems like that's exactly the type of consumer RUclips wants 🤣😂
The steps of the standards that ATSM uses for testing are easily available with a little searching, and anyone who is either a member of their organization or has a subscription to their service can access the full documentation of the process. Anyone who isn't just has to cough up some cash to do so. Also, you should be able to contact company reps to request a copy of their lightfastness report (which will have roughly the same success rate of any official inquiry to a company, so your favorite luck ritual goes here.)
Just because you're a basic colorist doesn't mean you can't do a little research and find out more about what this all means. If you take pride in your work and want to know more about the materials you use an the longevity of it and what standards it's beholden to, there is a wealth of material online you can dig into. Don't talk yourself down and insult your own intelligence...
Your comment validates every frustration I shared in this video. Over the years (this is a frequent topic in my videos) I have done hours of online research on this topic and have consistently hit dead ends, conflicting opinions, or “pay for more” links. It is my opinion that if manufacturers and marketing teams are using this information as a major selling point for their products, then consumers should easily be able to access and compare it. The fact that many colorists have resorted to doing their own home tests to verify lightfast results (that they are paying a premium for) shows you that there is a major problem with the testing system, the trustworthiness of the system, and the flow of information to the consumer. It is the intelligence of this system that we should be questioning.
@@ColoringBliss The system isn't the trouble. The trouble is the companies not sharing the results in any form other than the most simplified, or not wanting to pay the fees for the proper testing and either making it up, or doing their own "in house" testing that has no oversight. Most standards have fees attached to them because that's the only way these bodies make the money needed to do the testing. People who are industry professionals (mostly on the manufacturing end) often have access to what's behind the paywalls due to memberships and professional organizations, and depending on the testing standard and the industry, there are databases of results that are pay-to-access (again, to cover the costs of hosting that database.)
The trouble that comes in is that companies who are selling you a product, have a vested interest in giving the consumer only the information that they think will help them sell a product. Some more reputable manufacturers will have more transparency banking on honesty and a good consumer relationship to sell their product rather than empty claims, but with the flood of cheap art supplies from China, companies reselling these either have to opt to pay for testing, or to trust the manufacture, who has no vested interest in the end result. And when the factory changes between batches, like it often will when dealing with brands who are just private labeling instead of making their own products in their own facilities, all that data is lost and would have to be redone. So no, you will never get accurate lightfast ratings from someplace like Arteza. There's not even a batch number to indicate which formula or factory the sets are from.
The standards are not the problem. The companies selling the product are, as is often the case in all consumer products.
Good points.
I guess we have to ask ourselves…do we want more oversight for art products? As consumers we could demand an “all powerful” oversight commission with rules and laws that every art supply company must bow down to so that we could have regulated and predictable products (ie…FDA, FTC, etc) or…
We stick with what we have now…the “wild-Wild West” of Art supplies. A free market that keeps Cost down, innovation flowing, and often scams persisting. It’s a tricky balance.
@@ColoringBliss As someone who works tangent to industries where standards and codes are very prevalent (for very good reasons) I can say with pessimistic determination that there will never be that level of regulation for an industry that is not tangent to something that can directly affect life and death. Companies fight tooth and nail to avoid regulations because they want to cut costs, and we as consumers pay the price for it in many ways. (I could go on a long rant about the myth of the so-called free market but that's getting a little too far from the point of this all.)
Plus, the FDA and FTC are both heavily underfunded and reliant on the companies they are regulating to do their jobs. (there is very little to no independent testing done because there just simply isn't the budget for it, so companies will supply their own testing and the FDA just has to hope that it's done correctly and honestly....) If we can't even get something that important right, there's really no hope that something as small as art supplies. Especially when things like lead paint, of all things, keep winding up being used in children's toys.
If action is going to be taken, we need to put pressure on companies to actually share the testing results when they do pay for it. If they're marketing to us using that, they should be willing to do it right. Any company that won't, just assume they aren't what they're claiming.
No doesnt matter to me lol I don't be around in a hundred years to see , I only color for my own pleasure
After watching this. I feel like there should be an art police 🚨
Will you be around to complain in 100 years, will they be around to complain to in 100 years?