I've been charging off a 120v outlet for about 10 months now with my Model 3 and am amazed at how practical it actually is. Although it helps if you have level 2 charging at work or superchargers nearby that you can use in a pinch.
It goes up by how much power you use. You’d need to look at your electric rates but I can tell you for me it doesn’t impact my usage much. Probably a few bucks a month. But again if you drive and charge more that figure can go up drastically.
i just received a 2019 MOdel 3 SR+. It didnt come with the Chargepoint adapter like alot of people stated online. Theres a Supercharger about a mile away, but since the car isnt registered in my name yet it wont let me use it. I'm limited to the 120v at home. Really hoping i get some good results tonight and over the weekend. I have the adapter arriving tomorrow but id like to stick to 120 is possible.
thanks for the video. 3 years later. We are looking at purchasing a pre-owned Tesla, and this gives me great reassurance that we will be find with the 110.
I moved into my house 4 months ago with my M3LR and I thought I would need to get a Level 2 charger installed in the garage. It turns out the 120v outlet works perfectly fine for me and my girlfriend! I haven't needed to use a supercharger once since we started living here, I always either have a full battery waiting for me in the morning or at least more than 70%.
Great that you included the watts. Now I know you can technically charge a Tesla using a power strip. Wonder if anybody tested it. At 5 amps, that is. 575W, that's less than some gaming PCs pull and they are connected to those strips with no problem.
My gaming pc pulled around 1200watts lol I’m now using my 110v outlet to charge my Tesla lol got tired of using super chargers did it for a month every 4-5 days from 20-80% only use around 10-15% of battery per commute a day so it works perfect for me now with this charger
Thank you for your video. My commute is less than 10 miles. Am a flight attendant so the car is not driven everyday, I was looking into the the 14-50 charger, but after watching at your video, maybe I don’t need it, cuz on my days off the car will be at home and plugged in
Good into. I do most of my own work including running circuits. I have ONE spare 220 breaker left that I am reserving when I get central air. Also, if I do run 220 to my driveway the panel is on the opposite corner of the house. I have a wall mounted 220 heater in my tool room that I can delete but I still have to run that circuit up into the attic and down the other side of the house. Nope! 110 sounds like the solution since I have a 120 / 20 amp circuit right at the driveway.
Perfect. Honestly if you can charge it at a full 12 amps you'll get around 5mph of charge (at least on a model 3) giving you 50 miles or so a day. As long as you don't average over that (that's like 20k miles a year) you'll be fine charging every night. Some days it might be lower than others if you just took a 200 mile trip, but over the next days it'll gain that charge back. If you get in a pickle hit up a supercharger. I'd at least TRY that before you spend money/time on wiring. Plus you don't need any adapters, just what tesla gave you.
You could even get that nema 15 thing and charge at 15 amps. Probably not worth it but you could if you wanted those extra few amps. You'd just have to change out the plugs but if you have a 20 amp breaker you are good. I'm jealous of all your power. I hate you.
The data at 9:33 used the incorrect units of measurement, it's rather common so don't worry about it. It should have been "kwh" instead of just "kw". Kwh means Kilowatt-hours, which is to measure units of energy consumed or transferred. kW means kilowatt which is a rate of usage or consumption. Otherwise, great video.
7:45. It's likely closely monitoring and comparing the voltage supplied from the cord at different charging rates. If the cords or house wiring is not heavy enough, the voltage goes down. The "missing" voltage is dropping on the length of the cord, heating it up and wasting the power.
Thanks for the video. I’m going to give it a go with the 120v outlet. Concerned about winter charging but will see how it goes. I only drive 30-40 miles a day
@@zacktripp sorry to ask you this 2 years after, but did you mess with the settings like the video? What amps did you set to achieve such results overnight?
This video should have millions of views Question what's the downside of just always setting it at 12amps is it only the problem of overpowering the outlet your using. I live in a condo that has underground parking and 120 outlets every other space. And can't I just buy one off Amazon similar to the tesla mobile charger? Thanks
Great video! I'm looking at buying a Model 3 this year and you answered a lot of questions I had about charging. Especially if I needed to wire my garage with 220. I'm home a lot and will only need 110. Thanks!
Thank you for the video. The killawatt meter made that very helpful. How many watts does the car consume once it reaches the maximum state of charge that you set to just maintain it at that level? Looks to me like 120v is perfectly workable. I have a 240v power drop for a car, but this is great to know.
It depends on electricity rates. You can easily calculate it though. First by full charge I'll assume you mean 0 to 100% this will give you the worst case scenario for a fill up. Next, we need the battery size. A 2022 long range tesla model 3 has a battery size of 82 kwh. Lastly, you need the price of electricity. Electricity is generally billed by price per kwh. So for USA the national average is 16 cents per kwh. So all you have to do is multiply it out. 82 kwh times $0.16/kwh gives you $13.12. For the model 3 that can take you over 300 miles. For a gas car that gets 30 mpg it would need 10 gallons of gas to go 300 miles. The national average for gas is currently $3.25 per gallon. So multiply number of gallons by price per gallon and you get $32.50 to fill up the gas car. These numbers are all dependent on local prices and how efficiently you drive. If you get 20 miles per gallon it'll cost more to go 300 miles. If you drive the tesla sportier a full charge won't take you 300 miles and your cost will go up as well. In general though, charging at home will always be cheaper than paying for gas in an equivalent car.
2:15 that math doesn’t quite check out. If you’re driving 100 miles a day, and you’re home for 12 hours, you’re only going to get 60 miles of charge at 5 miles of charge per hour. But yeah, most people don’t have that long of a daily commute.
110/220v vs 120/240v. Basically the same thing. 110 I believe is the minimum. But even if it’s leaving your panel at 120 it might be 110 by the time it’s on the far side of the house. Why does it bother you?
The mph isn’t an exact figure and it changes based on the driving efficiency, also it doesn’t give factional numbers. So the real number is higher than 2mph. I always charge at 7amps. There are of course many variables, but I usually get around 30-40 miles of charge per night. Obviously more if we put it on the charger earlier or if the car happens to be getting good mpg. But the amount of power it is adding is 7amps. What it does with those 7amps is where you get your mph figure.
Thanks for the awesome video! How much does your electricity bill go by per month? If you don’t mind me asking. Just trying to find out if it’s cheaper than gas.
Check your local rates of kw/h compared to gas price per gallon. But, in most cases, it is actually cheaper. Plus, there's not as much mechanical maintenance on an electric car. Of course, you still need tire rotations and axle alignments, but you don't need oil changes, engine tuneups, coolant replacement, etc. So yes, even though your electric bill will be slightly higher, you won't be paying for gas, which could save you a lot in the long run. Plus, there are tax incentives for electric cars in certain jurisdictions as well.
I’d assume the Tesla is more efficient with higher charging. But the difference isn’t going to be massive. So unless there is a time of use billing it won’t make a major difference.
It's the same you get billed based on how many kilowatt hours you consume. Whether you consume 1 kilowatt for 10 hours or you consume 2 kilowatts for 5 hours you consumed 10 kilowatt hours either way.
@@DadMods It's the same you get billed based on how many kilowatt hours you consume. Whether you consume 1 kilowatt for 10 hours or you consume 2 kilowatts for 5 hours you consumed 10 kilowatt hours either way.
@@TurboSpeedWiFi yes. But let’s say the car requires 200watts to run the charger. If you are charging at 1000 watts you are only putting in 800 watts into the battery but consuming 1000 watts at the wall. That’s a 20% overhead. With 3000 watts of charging the that overhead is 6.6%. That’s what my point was not that whatever you pull from the wall will change but what the car does with it for how long changes. If you charge for 30 hours using that 200 watts vs 10 hours you are using more power that’s not going into the car. Clearly your electric bill doesn’t care what you do with the electricity. I can’t believe you thought I was that stupid.
@@Joesolo13 On a 110 outlet in 10 hours you can only charge your car enough to drive 30 miles. How many of your friends that you visit or places you travel that are more than 30 miles away have a 220 charger for your car? On a 220 charger in 10 hours you can charge your car enough to travel 300 miles. Some people do have a 220 charging system at their house. However if you are traveling a long distance and have to stop to charge you need a 480 charger. You can charge 300 miles in and hour or a bit more. If you are traveling Tesla has an app so you can plan your trip and locate places to charge. Chances are you will have to drive off route to charge. It is possible to take long trips but it is not as simple as hopping into your car and going and will take you longer to get there because of charging issues. Don't be such a simpleton. Yes everyone has electricity but 480 chargers are not available everywhere nor is 220 charging equiptment.
Thank you for the intro music change.. How funny is it that the guy that can't keep a battery charged in his charger, bought a car that runs on batteries ... Lol. Now get that scat pack to the track
i've been charging at my apartment building for the last 2 months, with minimal driving, and my landlord said that it has raised her electric bill over 120$ per month here in SoCal..... I don't think 110V is efficient
I don’t know how efficient it compares to 220. In my Cadillac ELR I could notice a major difference, but the Tesla seems to be able to charge efficiently even as low as 5amps on 110. My Cadillac took 5amps just to run the charging system. So I think the increase is probably either bs or it’s just at a super high electric rate. I call bs on $120 though. Put a kill a watt on there and track the actual power usage.
Think about this, if you charge at 1000watts that’s 1kwh so you should pay your kWh cost per hour. Which is probably .25$? I dunno: but at a quarter an hour. $120 would be about 480 hours. Which is 20 days of charging. It’s also 480kwh. You can adjust your numbers. But I guess it’s possible depending on how much you are charging and driving.
@@pinkiepie1656 Not only are you saying misinformation but where is the proof? how can you do this there isn't enough power to provide all of that electricity.
@@neubauerjoseph you are the one making claims. The grid a century ago couldn't handle all the appliances we have now, computers, heating and cooling, etc. The reason it does now is that the grid grows to support what we need and not much more.
Thanks for the awesome video! How much does your electricity bill go by per month? If you don’t mind me asking. Just trying to find out if it’s cheaper than gas.
I’m in Texas so it’s nothing. But basically you can take your kWh cost and around 80 is a full “tank” in the Tesla. So typically around .18 per kWh depending on where you are. Varies like crazy plus you can get cheaper rates at night. But yeah it’s significantly cheaper than gas no matter how you slice it.
I've been charging off a 120v outlet for about 10 months now with my Model 3 and am amazed at how practical it actually is. Although it helps if you have level 2 charging at work or superchargers nearby that you can use in a pinch.
Does charging on 120 on a daily basis affect your electric bill more than a 220? Also how has your electric bill gone up
It goes up by how much power you use. You’d need to look at your electric rates but I can tell you for me it doesn’t impact my usage much. Probably a few bucks a month. But again if you drive and charge more that figure can go up drastically.
i just received a 2019 MOdel 3 SR+. It didnt come with the Chargepoint adapter like alot of people stated online. Theres a Supercharger about a mile away, but since the car isnt registered in my name yet it wont let me use it. I'm limited to the 120v at home. Really hoping i get some good results tonight and over the weekend. I have the adapter arriving tomorrow but id like to stick to 120 is possible.
3:50, finally gets to the point😎
Thank you!
thx
Thank you. I get people love to talk but honestly just want to know the time.
thanks for the video. 3 years later. We are looking at purchasing a pre-owned Tesla, and this gives me great reassurance that we will be find with the 110.
3 years later and 50k+ miles still doing fine with 110. Had no reason to upgrade.
I moved into my house 4 months ago with my M3LR and I thought I would need to get a Level 2 charger installed in the garage. It turns out the 120v outlet works perfectly fine for me and my girlfriend! I haven't needed to use a supercharger once since we started living here, I always either have a full battery waiting for me in the morning or at least more than 70%.
All you need is time. In 12 hours you get a ton of power even at 12amp 120v.
Great that you included the watts. Now I know you can technically charge a Tesla using a power strip. Wonder if anybody tested it. At 5 amps, that is. 575W, that's less than some gaming PCs pull and they are connected to those strips with no problem.
My gaming pc pulled around 1200watts lol I’m now using my 110v outlet to charge my Tesla lol got tired of using super chargers did it for a month every 4-5 days from 20-80% only use around 10-15% of battery per commute a day so it works perfect for me now with this charger
Thank you for your video. My commute is less than 10 miles. Am a flight attendant so the car is not driven everyday, I was looking into the the 14-50 charger, but after watching at your video, maybe I don’t need it, cuz on my days off the car will be at home and plugged in
Good into. I do most of my own work including running circuits. I have ONE spare 220 breaker left that I am reserving when I get central air. Also, if I do run 220 to my driveway the panel is on the opposite corner of the house. I have a wall mounted 220 heater in my tool room that I can delete but I still have to run that circuit up into the attic and down the other side of the house. Nope! 110 sounds like the solution since I have a 120 / 20 amp circuit right at the driveway.
Perfect. Honestly if you can charge it at a full 12 amps you'll get around 5mph of charge (at least on a model 3) giving you 50 miles or so a day. As long as you don't average over that (that's like 20k miles a year) you'll be fine charging every night. Some days it might be lower than others if you just took a 200 mile trip, but over the next days it'll gain that charge back. If you get in a pickle hit up a supercharger. I'd at least TRY that before you spend money/time on wiring. Plus you don't need any adapters, just what tesla gave you.
You could even get that nema 15 thing and charge at 15 amps. Probably not worth it but you could if you wanted those extra few amps. You'd just have to change out the plugs but if you have a 20 amp breaker you are good. I'm jealous of all your power. I hate you.
The data at 9:33 used the incorrect units of measurement, it's rather common so don't worry about it. It should have been "kwh" instead of just "kw". Kwh means Kilowatt-hours, which is to measure units of energy consumed or transferred. kW means kilowatt which is a rate of usage or consumption.
Otherwise, great video.
7:45. It's likely closely monitoring and comparing the voltage supplied from the cord at different charging rates. If the cords or house wiring is not heavy enough, the voltage goes down. The "missing" voltage is dropping on the length of the cord, heating it up and wasting the power.
Thank you for this information!
Many places have RV hook ups for 110v. 30amp. and charges up to 9 mph. But Tesla does not sale that TT-30 adapter or Travel Trailer 30amp.
From what I can tell it’s better to get an aftermarket charger. Tesla stuff is expensive. Good but expensive.
Great video. Congrats. That power meter made the whole video. Thanks!
0:01 that song is such a banger. Awesome video with good explanation, like from me
10:42 Are we all just going to glaze past the fact that this badass looking dude jams out to Taylor Swift?
Lol yup my wife’s car.
Thanks for the video. I’m going to give it a go with the 120v outlet. Concerned about winter charging but will see how it goes. I only drive 30-40 miles a day
I've never had an issue in Colorado winter charging on a 120v outlet. I can get about 60 miles of range in ~12 hours of charging a day.
@@zacktripp sorry to ask you this 2 years after, but did you mess with the settings like the video? What amps did you set to achieve such results overnight?
@@realmisr no problem! I was doing 12a on the 120v outlet to get those results
YEAAAA, the old intro!!! The people asked and he delivered.
This video should have millions of views
Question what's the downside of just always setting it at 12amps is it only the problem of overpowering the outlet your using. I live in a condo that has underground parking and 120 outlets every other space. And can't I just buy one off Amazon similar to the tesla mobile charger?
Thanks
Would this be practical if I only drive around 10 miles a day?
Currently charging 15A 110V on a power strip and 50ft. 10AWG extension cord. Getting 4mi/hr or about 1 kWh.
Great video! I'm looking at buying a Model 3 this year and you answered a lot of questions I had about charging. Especially if I needed to wire my garage with 220. I'm home a lot and will only need 110. Thanks!
Thank you for the insightful video
Very informative. Thanks for the video! Bonus points for “Just Cruisin’” intro!
Just got myself an aftermarket wireless charging pad for the Model 3. Just drive onto it.
Thank you for the video. The killawatt meter made that very helpful. How many watts does the car consume once it reaches the maximum state of charge that you set to just maintain it at that level? Looks to me like 120v is perfectly workable. I have a 240v power drop for a car, but this is great to know.
Exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the information!💯💪🏾
I know this is an older video but it’s exactly what I was hoping to hear. I drive maybe 30 miles/day and have a RWD M3 on order. Thanks. 👍🏻
Btw I have 52k on my M3 now and I’ve used the 110 the whole time.
@@DadMods Awesome. I actually have an electrician lined up to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet but I guess I can cancel that now.
It wouldn’t hurt. But don’t think it’s required, you’d get by without it. But If it’s not super expensive I’d do it.
@@DadMods $400. Not bad.
Thanks! This is really helpful.
Excellent thank you
Wow this is very helpful information about increasing the amps to speed up charging. Thank you.
When I charge with my 120v outlet, it doesn’t charge faster than 2 mph and it’s 85° in LA. Am I doing something wrong?
What amps are you putting in?
So you kept the challenger?
How long does the battery last without driving like seating at home? Let’s say winter!?
Nice, I learned something today!
In the country I live, most of the outlets are 220 volts and 20 amps so I can charge mine pretty quickly
Which country?
@@dluxe100 turkey
how much does it cost you for a full charge with lvl 1 charger?
It depends on electricity rates. You can easily calculate it though.
First by full charge I'll assume you mean 0 to 100% this will give you the worst case scenario for a fill up. Next, we need the battery size. A 2022 long range tesla model 3 has a battery size of 82 kwh. Lastly, you need the price of electricity. Electricity is generally billed by price per kwh. So for USA the national average is 16 cents per kwh.
So all you have to do is multiply it out. 82 kwh times $0.16/kwh gives you $13.12. For the model 3 that can take you over 300 miles.
For a gas car that gets 30 mpg it would need 10 gallons of gas to go 300 miles. The national average for gas is currently $3.25 per gallon. So multiply number of gallons by price per gallon and you get $32.50 to fill up the gas car.
These numbers are all dependent on local prices and how efficiently you drive. If you get 20 miles per gallon it'll cost more to go 300 miles. If you drive the tesla sportier a full charge won't take you 300 miles and your cost will go up as well. In general though, charging at home will always be cheaper than paying for gas in an equivalent car.
$500
2:15 that math doesn’t quite check out. If you’re driving 100 miles a day, and you’re home for 12 hours, you’re only going to get 60 miles of charge at 5 miles of charge per hour. But yeah, most people don’t have that long of a daily commute.
Model 3 Standard Range Plus tells a different story. But great video.
Did you pay extra for the blue, or it came free in blue?
Does the charging function screen allow you to program in charging times? Plug in now but delay charging until the nighttime cheapest rates for power?
Yes
What is the third party app are you using on the video? thanks!
Stats
How much is it to charge it ?
Why do people call it “110” when it’s actually 120v?
110/220v vs 120/240v. Basically the same thing. 110 I believe is the minimum. But even if it’s leaving your panel at 120 it might be 110 by the time it’s on the far side of the house. Why does it bother you?
Curious what you do for a living
At 7 amps you car was showing 2m/hour. So for 12 hours you will get 24 miles not 33 miles. So how you got this number?
The mph isn’t an exact figure and it changes based on the driving efficiency, also it doesn’t give factional numbers. So the real number is higher than 2mph. I always charge at 7amps. There are of course many variables, but I usually get around 30-40 miles of charge per night. Obviously more if we put it on the charger earlier or if the car happens to be getting good mpg. But the amount of power it is adding is 7amps. What it does with those 7amps is where you get your mph figure.
Can I run the ac while charging?
Yes but depending on your charge rate the ac might take as much power as you are giving it.
Dig the old intro... Also we want a Tesla cold start!!! Lol
Thanks for the awesome video! How much does your electricity bill go by per month? If you don’t mind me asking. Just trying to find out if it’s cheaper than gas.
Check your local rates of kw/h compared to gas price per gallon. But, in most cases, it is actually cheaper. Plus, there's not as much mechanical maintenance on an electric car. Of course, you still need tire rotations and axle alignments, but you don't need oil changes, engine tuneups, coolant replacement, etc.
So yes, even though your electric bill will be slightly higher, you won't be paying for gas, which could save you a lot in the long run. Plus, there are tax incentives for electric cars in certain jurisdictions as well.
Looks like you sold the Titan?
Yeah but most houses have 220volts, your oven and dryer are 220volts.
Wachu think of the electric mustang
Well done, once you get past the first 4min. After that, good stuff!! Thanks
Is your electrical bill higher charging nightly on the 110 than it would be charging a few hours on the 220? Or is it the same??
I’d assume the Tesla is more efficient with higher charging. But the difference isn’t going to be massive. So unless there is a time of use billing it won’t make a major difference.
It's the same you get billed based on how many kilowatt hours you consume. Whether you consume 1 kilowatt for 10 hours or you consume 2 kilowatts for 5 hours you consumed 10 kilowatt hours either way.
@@DadMods It's the same you get billed based on how many kilowatt hours you consume. Whether you consume 1 kilowatt for 10 hours or you consume 2 kilowatts for 5 hours you consumed 10 kilowatt hours either way.
@@TurboSpeedWiFi yes. But let’s say the car requires 200watts to run the charger. If you are charging at 1000 watts you are only putting in 800 watts into the battery but consuming 1000 watts at the wall. That’s a 20% overhead. With 3000 watts of charging the that overhead is 6.6%. That’s what my point was not that whatever you pull from the wall will change but what the car does with it for how long changes. If you charge for 30 hours using that 200 watts vs 10 hours you are using more power that’s not going into the car. Clearly your electric bill doesn’t care what you do with the electricity. I can’t believe you thought I was that stupid.
Hmm, I'll never be able to charge at 110/120V Here we have 220/240V
Love the intro
Thanks that was interesting 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
So 9 hours to get from 77% to 90%💩💩💩?
😈😈😈
Unless your at the track showing us what your scat does with 30k in mods..... we’d rather not hear you babble on
Exactly. His Charger with a built motor and supercharger sits in the garage. This channel is a joke.
You can get had anywhere. You can't charge everywhere.
Yea So much of the country doesn't have electricity
@@Joesolo13 On a 110 outlet in 10 hours you can only charge your car enough to drive 30 miles. How many of your friends that you visit or places you travel that are more than 30 miles away have a 220 charger for your car? On a 220 charger in 10 hours you can charge your car enough to travel 300 miles. Some people do have a 220 charging system at their house. However if you are traveling a long distance and have to stop to charge you need a 480 charger. You can charge 300 miles in and hour or a bit more. If you are traveling Tesla has an app so you can plan your trip and locate places to charge. Chances are you will have to drive off route to charge. It is possible to take long trips but it is not as simple as hopping into your car and going and will take you longer to get there because of charging issues. Don't be such a simpleton. Yes everyone has electricity but 480 chargers are not available everywhere nor is 220 charging equiptment.
Thank you for the intro music change..
How funny is it that the guy that can't keep a battery charged in his charger, bought a car that runs on batteries ... Lol. Now get that scat pack to the track
Greg M 😂😂😂
Good thing you’re still making payments on the Challenger for those days when the Tesla isn’t charged up. Lol
i've been charging at my apartment building for the last 2 months, with minimal driving, and my landlord said that it has raised her electric bill over 120$ per month here in SoCal..... I don't think 110V is efficient
I don’t know how efficient it compares to 220. In my Cadillac ELR I could notice a major difference, but the Tesla seems to be able to charge efficiently even as low as 5amps on 110. My Cadillac took 5amps just to run the charging system. So I think the increase is probably either bs or it’s just at a super high electric rate. I call bs on $120 though. Put a kill a watt on there and track the actual power usage.
Think about this, if you charge at 1000watts that’s 1kwh so you should pay your kWh cost per hour. Which is probably .25$? I dunno: but at a quarter an hour. $120 would be about 480 hours. Which is 20 days of charging. It’s also 480kwh. You can adjust your numbers. But I guess it’s possible depending on how much you are charging and driving.
I just saw a family at my local sheets that had a dead model 3 and there we're no charging stations anywhere in town. ROLMAO.
A lot of lies by Tesla fan boys. Glad to see some truth. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
And people say Tesla better then gas ⛽️ I think not. Give me a gas station ⛽️ anytime. 5 minutes and you are good to go.
Faulty argument. Yes, you can fill up in five minutes, but how many HOURS of your job are required to fill up?
@@pinkiepie1656 Not only are you saying misinformation but where is the proof? how can you do this there isn't enough power to provide all of that electricity.
@@neubauerjoseph you are the one making claims. The grid a century ago couldn't handle all the appliances we have now, computers, heating and cooling, etc. The reason it does now is that the grid grows to support what we need and not much more.
@@pinkiepie1656 solar panels👍🏽
Did he do a line before the video? I see the mouth going…no disrespect…just recognize.
Thanks for the awesome video! How much does your electricity bill go by per month? If you don’t mind me asking. Just trying to find out if it’s cheaper than gas.
I’m in Texas so it’s nothing. But basically you can take your kWh cost and around 80 is a full “tank” in the Tesla. So typically around .18 per kWh depending on where you are. Varies like crazy plus you can get cheaper rates at night. But yeah it’s significantly cheaper than gas no matter how you slice it.