Hello I’m black and went to an all white school and definitely agree with Tyler. Ian comes off as not authentic and a gimmick and that is the problem. Look at this outfit on his album cover then look at what he wore in the hate me videos. Look at when he tried to re-create Lil Yachty‘s walk out entrance look at him and the picture in Atlanta with all the Black people like, bro yes this is weird. Ian is the type of white kid that will wear a durag and take a picture of it and say wave check as a joke that’s the problem. And he just makes really generic and bad music. Maybe if the music was good it be a different kind of station.
Okay, he makes bad music. He literally doesn’t mock any culture. You’re just saying he would do something because he’s white. Which is literal prejudice. Like he raps about nothing of substance. He isn’t mocking anything. Lil mabu does but not Ian
Is he really mocking tho? I mean it seems like most of the argument is he makes bland and boring music(which I would agree with) but...so what if he makes a music video WITH(Key word) Yachty and dresses like him
i agree ian comes off a bit like a gimmick. thats the point. and i like the music that he makes its all entertainment the things that bother you i thought were hilarious or cringe at times
Tyler is upset for the same reason Kendrick dissed Drake. Kendrick and Drake havin beef was an ideological battle. Real Hip Hop and Artistry vs Pop Music. Lil l Yachty is one of those artists on the Drake side, so him co-signing Ian isn’t the heart and soul of hip co-signing Ian. He’s not apart of the culture. And it’s not about his skin. It’s about why he’s making the music. The culture embraced Mac Miller cuz he was real and passionate. Ian’s a clout chaser.
But also I think yatchy actually is one of those people who in recent has grown to see the value in rap as an art form just listening to his recent stuff and watching some interviews, I still agree that him cosigning Ian dosent mean much from the cultures perspective tho
Yachty is NOT on Drake side. Dude was on dj mustard album. Yanno the dude who produced “not like us”. IF he was on drakes side he isn’t anymore. But that was never the point. Yachty made it clear from the start even though he’s friends with Drake doesn’t mean he was taking sides. He just cares for the music not the drama.
Bro, it's not about being white, it's about not caring about the culture. As Tyler said ,Mac Miller, Eminem, RA the Rugged man, Ill Bill had genuine love for that shit.
He’s using it as a form of expression rather then associating with the deep culture (FROM WHAT IVE SEEN I DONT LISTEN TO IAN). He isn’t mocking anything and just rapping nothing of substance.
@@SirGallyo Nah, he make sure to dress and look like a suburban kid and that's his gimmick and audience. Most real white hip-hop heads don't look and dress like that, they look more like lil pump, Post Malone or even Mac Miller. When you dress on purpose to attract the middle class suburban kids, you know what you're doing.
ian been around like 6 months dropped like one tape and we got a whole army going after him.. he is young let him adapt and learn i just feel like a lot of the comments are going too far
so why we making music about race? why does it matter that much is why i wanna know.. again as a white person i just don't have the same view maybe. but im just trying to understand
@@colefrostyBecause hip-hop was born from that. Hip-hop is literally born off the backs of black people in poverty just being creative talking about that experience. White rappers never make it in hip-hop as the greats because of this. Racial issues are integrated within hip-hop still to this day. People don’t know the history and culture and that’s the issue Tyler is touching on. White rappers get popular as a quick cash grab to the industry, Jack Harlow is a perfect example of this they get radio play but within the culture rappers like Ian or Jack Harlow are completely disconnected. Eminem and Mac Miller are the only exceptions.
@@colefrostyTo expand on this if there was a black person that rapped like Ian which there are plenty of them, then they’d be overlooked by the industry because they don’t have the face or skin color they’re looking for, also black rappers are expected to do more within the culture and get more creative with their own style, while a white rapper is automatically overlooked by the culture and is carried by the industry and a very white fanbase which is what a majority of America is. White rappers don’t push the culture forward they just use it to gain more money whether they want to or not, therefore they are perceived as not caring about the culture
He’s prolly upset that Iannnn is an industry plant(I’m not hating) but Tyler also being the super extravagant guy that he is could see Ian’s music as biting or boring I guess?
tyler seems like a old head in this hopefully he ain't just hate the music then went on to say this, but i feel like tyler has another problem with ian it's not too clear
He is biting 100%. But it’s messed up to direct hate at Ian for “mocking” when he isn’t. He’s using it in his own way. Lil Mabu mocks the culture, he associates himself with it. Ian just there
@@colefrosty you a whole new age white boy tho, he not an old head for speaking literal facts tf. just because someone creates something and your friend thinks it’s cool doesn’t mean you have to ride his nob to be liked. Mind you by the same people who don’t know shit about music call what they consider real music, You only like Ian cause he’s a basic looking white guy like yourself, and that’s not an insult that’s literally what you look like.
@@colefrosty he is right to not consider Ian a rapper he is someone with a gimmick making meme music just because he can profit off of it like lil dicky and Ishowspeed are clearly not rappers
you guys are missing Tyler's sentiment its not about Ian taking influence Ian is a regular white kid capitalising off what his influences actually lived through...everything Ian says is literally just regurgitating what his influences have said thats where the mocking aspect comes in. it feels like Ian listens to hiphop and goes "oh well all i gotta do is say i'm tough, fuck bitches and have money in a fancy way" he doesn't go through any of the struggles most of his influences faced in order for them express what they did
yeah we get that but at this point no rapper goes through that stuff anything a rapper sais is either cap or is actually real so why are we calling out Ian only for it why don’t we call out other rappers for it?
He doesnt express anything within that culture. He uses his rich upbringing and “whiteness” in his music. He doesn’t pretend to be from a poor background. lil mabu does
Everyone out here defending tyler and hating on ian but back when is was yachty vs joe budden everybody was clowning joe budden. Just because ian doesn’t take it serious like yachty didn’t, it doesn’t mean he won’t ever and that he is mocking the genre.
@@kingsfanbase here is my humnle opinion so like boat was getting hated on for beign care free and not carrying about the genre and beign a mumble rapper but ian is doing what boat did but he wasnt as unique as boat and he is imitating something ruclips.net/user/shortsbKoV4ba_Glc and not really contributing to the genre while not beign authentic but i hear your sid of the argument though but what tyler is saying is true to me i respect your opinion though i just don't agree and no disrespect to ian
@@zionokungbowa ok ok makes sense but i think there just might be a bit of over hate for ian just because tyler said it but that is a valid opinion and i respect it
here is what I think there are music junkies the people who are almost addicted to music consume a lot of it and all sorts of different types of it and are very passionate about music and genuinely love it and understand the layers and complexity of music and see that music can be a form of art most of them agree with Tyler but the casual listeners that are not as passionate about music or just don't think too deeply about the music like you don't agree with Tyler
Tyler is 100% correct. And that goes for all the other talentless clout rappers looking for bags. Rap is an art and it just gets taken advantage of. I guarantee by Tyler’s 9th album, you won’t hear anymore about Ian. His career has no longevity. Where is he gonna go from here? He is just another Lil Xan, 6ix9ine, and YBN Nahmir. There goes three different races btw. He is filler lmao. Nothing more than the commercial breaks from what you’re actually there to watch 🤷🏻♂️ people eventually get tired of the same old commercials. And this has always been a thing. It’s called being a “flash in the pan”. That is all Ian is. There will never be a world where it is ever worth facing these two off against each other. Does the 7 year olds drawing at the dentist office really stand a chance against the Mona Lisa? So I don’t get why some people are trying to compare the two now that Tyler gave his opinion. Who deserves more of the opinion on this topic? I would say Tyler definitely has the seniority here. If anything Ian should take this to his advantage and try to put some talent into his music, if he has any talent to put forward. And try to increase his longevity. Doubt that will happen tho. Never usually does with these kinds of “rappers”
Tyler is saying Ian is playing dress up in a culture he has nothing to do with. It’s *like* in the UK people don’t like posh white guys using slang terms because they’re just imitating our shared background…
so no diss to ian and his music right but i do take offense when a regular white boy blows up and having influences from black artists, im not saying he shouldn't be taking influence from them but HE IS MAKING FUN of the culture. i mean you don't see a white boy blow up from mac miller or eminem type of influences and i think there's generally an agenda with BIG INDUSTRY artists like lil yachty to put on these white rappers. ive never listened to ian's music and i never will!! like ima just put it out there, i don't see him lasting in the industry, PERIOD!! he kinda is a culture vulture because he's using it to make a name for himself. why couldn't he blow up from country or rock or shit like that? HE'S GONNA COME AND GO LIKE THE REST BEFORE HIM
He isn’t making fun of culture though. Lil Mabu is, Ian just rapping nothing, he doesn’t lie or make a fake persona. You’re just segregating it and trying to mix race with culture. Cultures culture, race DOESNT EXIST.
@@SirGallyo i hear you. let's look at tommy richman. he's been grinding for years and curated his own sound. his music has hip hop elements and keys, yes. he didn't go the usual route because he's a risk for most popular major record labels. but he kept at it and it eventually caught the ears of brent faiyaz and pulse music group. my point is that he and many othas like him blew up because they look a certain way and their music is generic EVEN WORSE. if it was rapper of colour, he would have to put up a stupid gimmick in order to be worth the investment. if the gimmick works and then you get a few industry artists to co-sign them then BOOM!! they have a star.
just cuz he is white he can't blow up in hip hop you want him to do rock or country?? i feel like most comments you guys are the ones drawing lines and making rules where as i look at everyone in hip hop equal thats why im trying to find out what ian did to harm anyone. his marketing his good that's why he blew up
@@colefrosty nah props to his marketing team fr but he won't last cus he hasn't brought anything new to the industry. people that bring their own sauce to the game outlast guys like ian. he is going to fall off, eventually
Best part is Tyler called it. In the interview he mentions he could spend the whole time talking about his mom. Yet the clip farmers going to just focus on the few minutes of negativity Tyler had in the interview. This video proves what Tyler was saying
@@colefrosty when is the learning part gonna happen? Cause all ive seen so far is you agree with everyone he is a gimmick, while simultaneously wondering why tyler would care(even making it seen more nefarious then it is) or the hip hop culture in general. Let me do you a solid, if you really fancy yourself a hip hop fan and apart of the culture and REALLY want to learn then i highly reccommend F.D signifiers video "eminem and the white rapper problem" Its an hr and a half long and if you really wanna be apart of the culture and not just some other white kid in a seas of white kids claiming to be apart of the culture then unc will get you right with that vid. Maybe even make a follow up vid and show us that you really are down to learn.
@@colefrosty I have not seen any learning just you not understanding what we are saying, choosing to die on your own opinion, being closed-minded loosing every argument 😂😂😂😂
@@revdogmarxist i think i got what i needed from this video. yall picking me apart when i so clearly understand both sides and its actually most of the commenters making this situation incredibly toxic. i work my ass off making content in hip hop being one of the most legit hip hop creators you will ever watch, even if we have seperate opinions. i have a lot on my agenda so not making a follow up for you pigeons
Rap and hip hop as a genre contribute greatly to black culture. I think Tyler might be calling it mocking because it doesn’t seem genuine from Ian and comes off more like a vehicle to make money Vs actually caring to make good music and contribute/add/ further the culture. There’s a difference between making shit that already sounds like what’s out to hop on the wave and making shit you’re passionate about. I don’t know Ian and I’ve only heard one of his songs, but honestly this is a problem with a lot of white people getting into rap, and it’s becomes even more of a problem with the added context of white supremacy where you can see a white person doing exactly what black people have been doing for decades yet the white boi gets the credit or is praised for it, when in reality it’s nothing new.
but we know ian isn't geniune can we just enjoy the entertainment? half the rappers in the game do it for money we gotta call out more than just ian right?
@@colefrosty Ian, same as Lil Mabu, is good at entertaining. The thing is they do it through rapping. Rap music isn’t typically created by people that look like (or come from the same economic standing as) either of them. A prominent example of a white artist is Eminem, who grew up poor, surrounded by addiction, and even faced addiction himself. Rap music has, since its inception, been an outlet for black artists to explain their experiences and struggles through a creative lense. Throughout the past few decades there have been a couple white artists who have also delved into the art. The thing is, because this genre is created and dominated by black artists, and due to white supremacy, when a white rapper blows up it’s a spectacle. They can take over the scene very quickly because people want to watch the underdog (especially when they’re one of few white characters) . They can become a superstar in a genre where it would have taken a black person double or more times the work to achieve that audience. Eminem, however, didn’t rely on his whiteness to get to the top. He was a story teller with stories of struggle, even some familiar struggle in black communities, to tell. He added vs leached. He showcased talent as well as respect for the culture he was becoming a part of. On the other hand Kanye, for example, came from a middle class family with very little to no economic struggle. However, Kanye made music true to him, it was engulfed with other existing elements of black culture, it was unique for the time, and so there was a place for him in the genre. Let alone the path he trailblazed for artists like him who also didn’t mesh with the gangster rap era and were now accepted by the culture. Ian, on the other hand isn’t anything new. He does make lit music, but isn’t really raw or unique. The only thing that makes him unique is his whiteness. Ken Carson makes music similar to Ian’s “Magic Johnson”. What I’m saying is, he is ultimately profiting of a wave that he didn’t start, but is riding the wave and climbing it fast because of his whiteness. The music he’s making is not unique to him, nor is it special. A lot of people make good music, but he is gaining traction because he makes good music and is white. He’s profiting off something he saw was cool and wanted to join in on. He probably has access to better studios and engineers than a lot of upcoming artists due to his background, so there’s an advantage. This all makes his music/career feel inauthentic and like a mockery of existing sounds in rap. That’s not to say it’s bad, I fw some of his music. You can be entertained by it, and it’s cool that you acknowledge that he isn’t genuine. He represents a portion of an existing virus though, just like drake w the commercialization of hip hop, as artists continue to enter the scene and blow up just to profit off it. With no contribution, hip hop dies. And that is why Tyler sees ian as a mockery.
I feel like the main problem people have with him is that he isn’t original. There is not a single quality about the music that I can see and think only Ian could make this. Every aspect of him from his beat selection to his delivery sound like a direct copy of somebody else. It feels like the gimmick of being a suburban white guy making this type of music is the only thing that makes him different in any capacity and that is going to make people feel weird about him. Eminem and Mac Miller had stuff about their music that was unique to them, which is why they are more accepted than he is.
if you like that might as well tap into his valedictorian deluxe from a few months ago it's hard. pretty short as well but it has more of his best songs
I honestly feel like Ian hasn’t been around long enough to make these kinds of judgements. I feel like most of it is surface based. To say he’s “mocking” them is such a weirdo elitist statement from Tyler.
Listen, I wanna know where any of this mocking allegations are even coming from. That’s my thing just because I want to know if these are just baseless accusations or if Ian has actually said he was making fun of or mocking anything or is this guy just assuming because this is starting to sound like what happened to Tyler, The Creator himself back when he came out because every other rapper Was talking shit about him because he was different and it was New like the same kind of thing happened when odd future came out on the scene people were criticizing it and calling it weird and New and cringe and stuff so I’m just curious on the specifics in the actual evidence of anything
like i said i get where tyler is coming from in his position but part of me thinks he doesn't understand this is what the new gen/underground scene is.. we are holding ian to this high standard he is just trendy and it's doing well rn. folks mad at him are playing right into his scheme
We definitely not playing into his game and we’re not streaming his music . thats you guys. We don’t give a fuck about Ian. Half of these new age artist are carbon copies and lack complete originality. But it’s not about that’s he is trendy or white . It’s the fact that he doesn’t give a fuck about the culture . You don’t have to be that smart to see that he doesn’t care. There’s no effort in the music the beats the roll outs the music videos. Nothing. It’s just there to make money .he isn’t saying anything at all. It’s all a bite. And it’s not even a good bite… if I want to listen a BigBabyGucci or Yeat I would’ve done that five years ago. You’re the exact people Tyler is talking about . “who cares Ian is up and trendy right now that’s all that matters. Tyler is just a hater and just be out of touch. No, you guys are out of touch and don’t give a fuck about a culture that clearly other people do it’s not about race or even being white or even being trendy it’s about how all of you guys eat this shit up and defend it constantly . More than half of these people are literally clowns, and they have nothing to offer and you guys are even worse by offering opinions on a culture you are barley old enough to understand. You like the music, you don’t find it weird . That’s cool good for you enjoy what you like music is subjective. But unoriginality and a lack of substance or respect for the culture is not subjective
everyone is influenced by someone but it's how you make it your own that matters. me personally i'm not too worried about that i can look past anything (listening to kanye) and just focus on art
@@colefrosty exactly, feels super weird hearing this from tyler… like since when was it uncommon for upcoming artists to have similarities to other artists thru inspiration?
@@colefrostyonly time people talking about Ian is when they’re arguing if he’s an industry plant or not. His music is unoriginal and mid at best and will be washed out in 5 years, just like jack harlow.
@@emilianorodriguez8961 only part i disagree w is your Jack Harlow take, cause he’s still a heavy hitter in hip-hop. And isn’t an industry plant like Ian.
Jack Harlow isn’t played as much as you think.. in fact I haven’t heard any Jack song since the I’m vanilla baby shit and haven’t even heard that one in a while. Don’t know if he’s a heavy hitter at all either, if I’m being 100% honest I think his last single maybe botted for streams. And I’m not trying to hate but no one talks about Ian, I only heard of that one song with Yachty and the only part I remember is the part everyone plays when he says “first thing in the morning.. blunt” I also think he won’t be relevant for that long, UNLESS he switches his style.
i am the problem for enjoying ian's music😭 see how yall are the ones ruining Our good time. tyler is right about certain things but pls tell me what he did wrong on his new song he dropped on ig. it was something new and creative and he isn't pretending to be someone else lol
@@colefrosty He hasn't put out a single creative or original piece of art yet. Everything he does is either a copy of Carti, Gucci or Future. If this was any other art medium he would be made a mockery. He's nothing different from what we already saw with Vanilla Ice, G-Eazy, Timberlake, Macklemore, Post Malone, Jack Harlow, Bhad Bhadie, 4Baz, 6ix9ine, Pump and multiple others. It's sanitized bullshit backed by labels that wanna sterilizer art.
Hip-Hop purists are just as annoying as boomer rock purists honestly. People have to stop mythologizing and making a religion out of Hip-Hop. It’s just a genre of music. An artistic medium.
See this is the real problem with the Drake effect. All these non hiphop fans cosplaying for the money is the problem. It’s not just a white thing either. Hip Hop deserves better than just another grifter. Do yourself a favor and check out the new Ye and Ty Vultures 2 album. Maybe if these grifters started copying Ye instead of Drake we would all be better off. You think it’s a good thing that some of the biggest artist in the world are making the most watered down boring music ever? Where are all the visionaries at? New sounds? Not coming from white grifters that’s for sure.
Videos like these are so annoying. Tyler basically had the same problem with Ian that Kendrick had with Drake, why are so many more people against Tyler than the Kendrick scenario? Also, really, you had to talk about the fact that Tyler called him white. The point of that is to recognize that it is even weirder when a white artist is using hip-hop as simply a way to collect money, because it becomes even more suspicious and obvious that they don't care for the culture. And in my opinion, Tyler is right. I'm sorry, but I can't stomach music where it's so easy to tell that the artist doesn't care. This is my main problem with Drake's music, it doesn't sound like he's trying or really cares at all for music. He doesn't love the music, he isn't genuine. It's annoying when something you care about, is used by someone who doesn't care. His basic raps are so boring, you can tell he doesn't care. Does this mean you can't like the music, of course not! And I know someone is gonna reply saying it isn't that deep, or that if music slaps, it slaps, and that music is music, but I highly disagree. I care for the art, I wanna feel like the artist is really putting their all into the music, otherwise, it's just boring and lackluster, and makes them unlikeable. Also, Ian is corny. Again, you can like his music, but he is nowhere near GOAT status (Like some Ian fans believe). You can't tell me to not take Ian serious, when that's all his fans and the industry do. How am I supposed to put Ice Spice in the light of being a joke, when she's rich and getting the whole industry to call her a good rapper. He may not be serious, but the industry is claiming him as a serious artist, and Ian himself even wants to prove that, thus, I am gonna treat him serious, and in that serious light, he has no love for the culture, and is quite an only ok rapper. This is hip-hop. Ian's work is a growing trend. This is serious. I mean, I feel like it's so easy to see how this is harmful. It's changing rap, making it more likely for people who don't care about it to just do it for a quick buck. I mean, Ian def got inspiration from other people like Ice Spice, it's very clear. The only thing I disagree with Tyler on, is hating on Ian so early. Mac Miller was a frat boy rapper in the beginning, so I want to do the same with Mac, and give Ian time to learn. However, this begs another huge question. You said in the comments, "He's only been making music for 6 months, why is there already so much hate?", but to fire back, if he's only been making stuff for 6 months, why is he already getting called the GOAT? You can't genuinely convince me Ian is in the same conversation as the likes of Tupac, Kanye, JPEGMAFIA, and Tyler. GOATs are people who pioneer rap and change the genre, or make something incredible. Also, I have another question for you. If all you need to be a GOAT is the vibes and the music being good (No culture recognition, no seriousness, no deeper meaning, no pioneering of a part of rap), then does that make Kendrick NOT a GOAT. Songs like We Cry Together by Kendrick are def not vibes, yet he is still considered a GOAT. Again, this is due to his experimental nature, love for the culture, and pioneering of specific rap styles, specifically in the West Coast. I'm gonna leave it simply like this. If a rapper doesn't care for their art, then I don't care for them.
i really appreciate this comment finally someone who can see both sides and see opinions but still respect them while adding reasons. i found 90% of the comments to be toxic or just ripping apart ian in cruel ways making the situation a lot more toxic than it needed to be. i will say i think those of us who enjoy ian and his character don't hold him very highly in conversations on the best lyricist or, aoty, creativeness or originally we just enjoy quick catchy bangers like 'magic johnson' bc to be fair he has good flow and can rap. artists that are more talented and push the boundaries, that care about the art (tyler is a prime example) are held a lot higher up as he worked his tail off for a decade to be here and i will always respect that and give credit to him. but hip hop has a wide variety of trash to goats and im a fan who loves both! i just love hip hop and debating it so thanks for keeping it civil and not throwing a fit or making it personal:)
@@colefrosty Yeah, sorry for the saying the video was annoying 😭😭😭 I think it's really just difference in tastes. I personally can't stomach quick bangers, but that's just taste (Doesn't make me better or more valid, I just get bored with bangers). Ian just gives off vibes that he's doing a shtick, a character, but it's fine to like his music. He just gives off vibes of just wanting money and to use rap, and he isn't really passionate. Again, fine to like him though. I don't think Tyler was attacking though, I think he just cares about rap and the rap scene A LOT. I feel like he's very caring for rap, thus wants the scene to have lots of artistic integrity. Thanks for being civil! :) (Also thanks for appreciating the comment)
i used to think ian was a little mid but now my perspective on him has changed. let's not take everything so serious. he's pretty talented, actually 🤷♂
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Hello I’m black and went to an all white school and definitely agree with Tyler. Ian comes off as not authentic and a gimmick and that is the problem. Look at this outfit on his album cover then look at what he wore in the hate me videos. Look at when he tried to re-create Lil Yachty‘s walk out entrance look at him and the picture in Atlanta with all the Black people like, bro yes this is weird. Ian is the type of white kid that will wear a durag and take a picture of it and say wave check as a joke that’s the problem. And he just makes really generic and bad music. Maybe if the music was good it be a different kind of station.
Okay, he makes bad music.
He literally doesn’t mock any culture. You’re just saying he would do something because he’s white. Which is literal prejudice.
Like he raps about nothing of substance. He isn’t mocking anything. Lil mabu does but not Ian
Is he really mocking tho? I mean it seems like most of the argument is he makes bland and boring music(which I would agree with) but...so what if he makes a music video WITH(Key word) Yachty and dresses like him
i agree ian comes off a bit like a gimmick. thats the point. and i like the music that he makes its all entertainment the things that bother you i thought were hilarious or cringe at times
@@colefrosty like him or not ( I don’t personally like him) but he isn’t mocking culture. He’s copying and recycling it.
@@SirGallyohe’s mocking it
Tyler is upset for the same reason Kendrick dissed Drake. Kendrick and Drake havin beef was an ideological battle. Real Hip Hop and Artistry vs Pop Music. Lil l Yachty is one of those artists on the Drake side, so him co-signing Ian isn’t the heart and soul of hip co-signing Ian. He’s not apart of the culture. And it’s not about his skin. It’s about why he’s making the music. The culture embraced Mac Miller cuz he was real and passionate. Ian’s a clout chaser.
this
Glad I'm not the only person with this thought process
But also I think yatchy actually is one of those people who in recent has grown to see the value in rap as an art form just listening to his recent stuff and watching some interviews, I still agree that him cosigning Ian dosent mean much from the cultures perspective tho
Yachty is NOT on Drake side. Dude was on dj mustard album. Yanno the dude who produced “not like us”. IF he was on drakes side he isn’t anymore. But that was never the point. Yachty made it clear from the start even though he’s friends with Drake doesn’t mean he was taking sides. He just cares for the music not the drama.
He also took back shots from Music executives. Mommy and daddy money ain’t enough anymore in that world to push you thru to mainstream media.
Bro, it's not about being white, it's about not caring about the culture.
As Tyler said ,Mac Miller, Eminem, RA the Rugged man, Ill Bill had genuine love for that shit.
He’s using it as a form of expression rather then associating with the deep culture (FROM WHAT IVE SEEN I DONT LISTEN TO IAN). He isn’t mocking anything and just rapping nothing of substance.
@@SirGallyo Nah, he make sure to dress and look like a suburban kid and that's his gimmick and audience. Most real white hip-hop heads don't look and dress like that, they look more like lil pump, Post Malone or even Mac Miller. When you dress on purpose to attract the middle class suburban kids, you know what you're doing.
@@SirGallyoyou the goat
ian been around like 6 months dropped like one tape and we got a whole army going after him.. he is young let him adapt and learn i just feel like a lot of the comments are going too far
@@colefrosty Nah! Fuck him and all the shitty comedy rap. Don't worry anyway, he will be alright and highly successful...
Tyler is 100% correct. “It’s not that serious” bro ☠️ you proving his point. It’s about race because Ian would be unknown if he wasn’t white lmao.
ong, he’s the epitome of white mediocrity.
so why we making music about race? why does it matter that much is why i wanna know.. again as a white person i just don't have the same view maybe. but im just trying to understand
@@colefrostyBecause hip-hop was born from that. Hip-hop is literally born off the backs of black people in poverty just being creative talking about that experience. White rappers never make it in hip-hop as the greats because of this. Racial issues are integrated within hip-hop still to this day. People don’t know the history and culture and that’s the issue Tyler is touching on. White rappers get popular as a quick cash grab to the industry, Jack Harlow is a perfect example of this they get radio play but within the culture rappers like Ian or Jack Harlow are completely disconnected. Eminem and Mac Miller are the only exceptions.
@@colefrostyTo expand on this if there was a black person that rapped like Ian which there are plenty of them, then they’d be overlooked by the industry because they don’t have the face or skin color they’re looking for, also black rappers are expected to do more within the culture and get more creative with their own style, while a white rapper is automatically overlooked by the culture and is carried by the industry and a very white fanbase which is what a majority of America is. White rappers don’t push the culture forward they just use it to gain more money whether they want to or not, therefore they are perceived as not caring about the culture
Most people didn't even know he was white when he came out, shit was just hard.
He’s prolly upset that Iannnn is an industry plant(I’m not hating) but Tyler also being the super extravagant guy that he is could see Ian’s music as biting or boring I guess?
tyler seems like a old head in this hopefully he ain't just hate the music then went on to say this, but i feel like tyler has another problem with ian it's not too clear
@@colefrostyyou not even using the term old head right 😂😂😂😂
He is biting 100%. But it’s messed up to direct hate at Ian for “mocking” when he isn’t. He’s using it in his own way. Lil Mabu mocks the culture, he associates himself with it. Ian just there
@@colefrostyyou left out the part that IAn got his style from yeat
@@colefrosty you a whole new age white boy tho, he not an old head for speaking literal facts tf. just because someone creates something and your friend thinks it’s cool doesn’t mean you have to ride his nob to be liked. Mind you by the same people who don’t know shit about music call what they consider real music, You only like Ian cause he’s a basic looking white guy like yourself, and that’s not an insult that’s literally what you look like.
Calling Ian a rapper is hilarious 💀 no he’s not bro stop
ian is a rapper even if you don't like him. these comments getting more and more cringe by the hour💀
@@colefrosty bro will defend ian with his life 💀💀just straight glazing
@@colefrosty he is right to not consider Ian a rapper he is someone with a gimmick making meme music just because he can profit off of it like lil dicky and Ishowspeed are clearly not rappers
ian is a joke bro
100%
Doesn’t mean he’s mocking anything, recycling or copying. Sure but not mocking. Don’t let your opinions in his music get intersected into fact
i agree and i like his music
@@colefrostyyou’re just corny asl then 🌽
@@colefrostyyou’re just corny asl then 🌽
you guys are missing Tyler's sentiment its not about Ian taking influence Ian is a regular white kid capitalising off what his influences actually lived through...everything Ian says is literally just regurgitating what his influences have said thats where the mocking aspect comes in. it feels like Ian listens to hiphop and goes "oh well all i gotta do is say i'm tough, fuck bitches and have money in a fancy way" he doesn't go through any of the struggles most of his influences faced in order for them express what they did
exactly
Fr for some reason white folks don't understand this
yeah we get that but at this point no rapper goes through that stuff anything a rapper sais is either cap or is actually real so why are we calling out Ian only for it why don’t we call out other rappers for it?
@@lightswitch5140we do, tf are you on? The whole YBN clique got cancelled because they were trying to rap about shit they did in GTA 😂
He doesnt express anything within that culture. He uses his rich upbringing and “whiteness” in his music. He doesn’t pretend to be from a poor background.
lil mabu does
he did NOT say that watch the full interview
these people are actually braindead
he is def talking about ian. obv tyler thinks he is a culture vulture
Everyone out here defending tyler and hating on ian but back when is was yachty vs joe budden everybody was clowning joe budden. Just because ian doesn’t take it serious like yachty didn’t, it doesn’t mean he won’t ever and that he is mocking the genre.
it not the same 🤦🏿♂🤦🏿♂
@@zionokungbowa wdym bro
how
@@kingsfanbase here is my humnle opinion so like boat was getting hated on for beign care free and not carrying about the genre and beign a mumble rapper but ian is doing what boat did but he wasnt as unique as boat and he is imitating something
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and not really contributing to the genre while not beign authentic but i hear your sid of the argument though but what tyler is saying is true to me i respect your opinion though i just don't agree and no disrespect to ian
@@zionokungbowa ok ok makes sense but i think there just might be a bit of over hate for ian just because tyler said it but that is a valid opinion and i respect it
here is what I think there are music junkies the people who are almost addicted to music consume a lot of it and all sorts of different types of it and are very passionate about music and genuinely love it and understand the layers and complexity of music and see that music can be a form of art most of them agree with Tyler but the casual listeners that are not as passionate about music or just don't think too deeply about the music like you don't agree with Tyler
Tyler is 100% correct. And that goes for all the other talentless clout rappers looking for bags. Rap is an art and it just gets taken advantage of. I guarantee by Tyler’s 9th album, you won’t hear anymore about Ian. His career has no longevity. Where is he gonna go from here? He is just another Lil Xan, 6ix9ine, and YBN Nahmir. There goes three different races btw. He is filler lmao. Nothing more than the commercial breaks from what you’re actually there to watch 🤷🏻♂️ people eventually get tired of the same old commercials. And this has always been a thing. It’s called being a “flash in the pan”. That is all Ian is. There will never be a world where it is ever worth facing these two off against each other. Does the 7 year olds drawing at the dentist office really stand a chance against the Mona Lisa? So I don’t get why some people are trying to compare the two now that Tyler gave his opinion. Who deserves more of the opinion on this topic? I would say Tyler definitely has the seniority here. If anything Ian should take this to his advantage and try to put some talent into his music, if he has any talent to put forward. And try to increase his longevity. Doubt that will happen tho. Never usually does with these kinds of “rappers”
The dude who made the video is proving Tyler point
yea i know lol i accepted that in the vid. help me learn and understand
@@colefrostygo watch Malibu most wanted and you will. And I’m saying that with respect nephew
Tyler literally never said bros name he just described a random vid he saw and everybody just decided he was talking about Ian wtf???
Pls Don’t be in denial yk who he talking biut😂
who is he talking about then?
who is it then???
this is js a new reason why my friend hates tyler for no reason 😭
oh brother
LET THESE FELLAS KNOOOOOWWW
Tyler is saying Ian is playing dress up in a culture he has nothing to do with.
It’s *like* in the UK people don’t like posh white guys using slang terms because they’re just imitating our shared background…
and i agree with tyler on that
so no diss to ian and his music right but i do take offense when a regular white boy blows up and having influences from black artists, im not saying he shouldn't be taking influence from them but HE IS MAKING FUN of the culture. i mean you don't see a white boy blow up from mac miller or eminem type of influences and i think there's generally an agenda with BIG INDUSTRY artists like lil yachty to put on these white rappers. ive never listened to ian's music and i never will!! like ima just put it out there, i don't see him lasting in the industry, PERIOD!! he kinda is a culture vulture because he's using it to make a name for himself. why couldn't he blow up from country or rock or shit like that? HE'S GONNA COME AND GO LIKE THE REST BEFORE HIM
@@Sego1730 that's completely fair
He isn’t making fun of culture though. Lil Mabu is, Ian just rapping nothing, he doesn’t lie or make a fake persona.
You’re just segregating it and trying to mix race with culture. Cultures culture, race DOESNT EXIST.
@@SirGallyo i hear you.
let's look at tommy richman. he's been grinding for years and curated his own sound. his music has hip hop elements and keys, yes. he didn't go the usual route because he's a risk for most popular major record labels. but he kept at it and it eventually caught the ears of brent faiyaz and pulse music group. my point is that he and many othas like him blew up because they look a certain way and their music is generic EVEN WORSE. if it was rapper of colour, he would have to put up a stupid gimmick in order to be worth the investment. if the gimmick works and then you get a few industry artists to co-sign them then BOOM!! they have a star.
just cuz he is white he can't blow up in hip hop you want him to do rock or country?? i feel like most comments you guys are the ones drawing lines and making rules where as i look at everyone in hip hop equal thats why im trying to find out what ian did to harm anyone. his marketing his good that's why he blew up
@@colefrosty nah props to his marketing team fr but he won't last cus he hasn't brought anything new to the industry. people that bring their own sauce to the game outlast guys like ian. he is going to fall off, eventually
Pure insanity. Of course you have this opinion. Some will never get it.
Dude the ragebait is wild
Best part is Tyler called it. In the interview he mentions he could spend the whole time talking about his mom. Yet the clip farmers going to just focus on the few minutes of negativity Tyler had in the interview. This video proves what Tyler was saying
little bit of a stretch bro this is a conversational video i'm here to have a discussion and learn lol
@@colefrosty when is the learning part gonna happen? Cause all ive seen so far is you agree with everyone he is a gimmick, while simultaneously wondering why tyler would care(even making it seen more nefarious then it is) or the hip hop culture in general.
Let me do you a solid, if you really fancy yourself a hip hop fan and apart of the culture and REALLY want to learn then i highly reccommend F.D signifiers video "eminem and the white rapper problem"
Its an hr and a half long and if you really wanna be apart of the culture and not just some other white kid in a seas of white kids claiming to be apart of the culture then unc will get you right with that vid.
Maybe even make a follow up vid and show us that you really are down to learn.
@@colefrosty I have not seen any learning just you not understanding what we are saying, choosing to die on your own opinion, being closed-minded loosing every argument 😂😂😂😂
@@revdogmarxist i think i got what i needed from this video. yall picking me apart when i so clearly understand both sides and its actually most of the commenters making this situation incredibly toxic. i work my ass off making content in hip hop being one of the most legit hip hop creators you will ever watch, even if we have seperate opinions. i have a lot on my agenda so not making a follow up for you pigeons
You know I don’t think it would ever happen but I’d love to see a complex productions and Cole frosty video collab once in my life time 😔
oh brother do i have stories to tell you😂
i miss complex bro
Rap and hip hop as a genre contribute greatly to black culture. I think Tyler might be calling it mocking because it doesn’t seem genuine from Ian and comes off more like a vehicle to make money Vs actually caring to make good music and contribute/add/ further the culture. There’s a difference between making shit that already sounds like what’s out to hop on the wave and making shit you’re passionate about. I don’t know Ian and I’ve only heard one of his songs, but honestly this is a problem with a lot of white people getting into rap, and it’s becomes even more of a problem with the added context of white supremacy where you can see a white person doing exactly what black people have been doing for decades yet the white boi gets the credit or is praised for it, when in reality it’s nothing new.
but we know ian isn't geniune can we just enjoy the entertainment? half the rappers in the game do it for money we gotta call out more than just ian right?
@@colefrosty Ian, same as Lil Mabu, is good at entertaining. The thing is they do it through rapping. Rap music isn’t typically created by people that look like (or come from the same economic standing as) either of them. A prominent example of a white artist is Eminem, who grew up poor, surrounded by addiction, and even faced addiction himself. Rap music has, since its inception, been an outlet for black artists to explain their experiences and struggles through a creative lense. Throughout the past few decades there have been a couple white artists who have also delved into the art. The thing is, because this genre is created and dominated by black artists, and due to white supremacy, when a white rapper blows up it’s a spectacle. They can take over the scene very quickly because people want to watch the underdog (especially when they’re one of few white characters) . They can become a superstar in a genre where it would have taken a black person double or more times the work to achieve that audience. Eminem, however, didn’t rely on his whiteness to get to the top. He was a story teller with stories of struggle, even some familiar struggle in black communities, to tell. He added vs leached. He showcased talent as well as respect for the culture he was becoming a part of. On the other hand Kanye, for example, came from a middle class family with very little to no economic struggle. However, Kanye made music true to him, it was engulfed with other existing elements of black culture, it was unique for the time, and so there was a place for him in the genre. Let alone the path he trailblazed for artists like him who also didn’t mesh with the gangster rap era and were now accepted by the culture. Ian, on the other hand isn’t anything new. He does make lit music, but isn’t really raw or unique. The only thing that makes him unique is his whiteness. Ken Carson makes music similar to Ian’s “Magic Johnson”. What I’m saying is, he is ultimately profiting of a wave that he didn’t start, but is riding the wave and climbing it fast because of his whiteness. The music he’s making is not unique to him, nor is it special. A lot of people make good music, but he is gaining traction because he makes good music and is white. He’s profiting off something he saw was cool and wanted to join in on. He probably has access to better studios and engineers than a lot of upcoming artists due to his background, so there’s an advantage. This all makes his music/career feel inauthentic and like a mockery of existing sounds in rap. That’s not to say it’s bad, I fw some of his music. You can be entertained by it, and it’s cool that you acknowledge that he isn’t genuine. He represents a portion of an existing virus though, just like drake w the commercialization of hip hop, as artists continue to enter the scene and blow up just to profit off it. With no contribution, hip hop dies. And that is why Tyler sees ian as a mockery.
You ate
Nothing but facts
what interview is this?
spring hill i assume
mav carter
He didn’t say his name in that interview.
enlighten me who was he talking about then
Lmao Tyler has to be trolling because when he was coming up he was talking shit about everybody
I feel like the main problem people have with him is that he isn’t original. There is not a single quality about the music that I can see and think only Ian could make this. Every aspect of him from his beat selection to his delivery sound like a direct copy of somebody else. It feels like the gimmick of being a suburban white guy making this type of music is the only thing that makes him different in any capacity and that is going to make people feel weird about him. Eminem and Mac Miller had stuff about their music that was unique to them, which is why they are more accepted than he is.
i agree but i do like the music tho knowing it's unorginal
Bout time someone says it obviously no one will agree cause yall have to defend him
I havent listened to Ian enough to see if hes good. But man Hate Me with Lil Yatchy is one of my fav songs of the year
if you like that might as well tap into his valedictorian deluxe from a few months ago it's hard. pretty short as well but it has more of his best songs
Tyler is also famous for hating Bruno Mars for no reason lol….he doesn’t know why he doesn’t like his music…and he hates his smile lol
I honestly feel like Ian hasn’t been around long enough to make these kinds of judgements. I feel like most of it is surface based. To say he’s “mocking” them is such a weirdo elitist statement from Tyler.
Bro we done got the next diss battle 💀
ian washes💀💀
@@colefrostyquit the glazing with this trash rapper, even digbar is better than him
He’s right lol
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I dont listen to ian much but he good but i still like laroi more
i like laroi more but bringing up another white person doesn't relate to the video bruh😭
@@colefrosty ik idk what i was saying lol
You can tell who are visitors of Hip Hop and who loves it. Most white people are the first.
these comments man😂😂
you didn't have to add race into it but yeah some people dont care about it like that
Listen, I wanna know where any of this mocking allegations are even coming from. That’s my thing just because I want to know if these are just baseless accusations or if Ian has actually said he was making fun of or mocking anything or is this guy just assuming because this is starting to sound like what happened to Tyler, The Creator himself back when he came out because every other rapper Was talking shit about him because he was different and it was New like the same kind of thing happened when odd future came out on the scene people were criticizing it and calling it weird and New and cringe and stuff so I’m just curious on the specifics in the actual evidence of anything
like i said i get where tyler is coming from in his position but part of me thinks he doesn't understand this is what the new gen/underground scene is.. we are holding ian to this high standard he is just trendy and it's doing well rn. folks mad at him are playing right into his scheme
We definitely not playing into his game and we’re not streaming his music . thats you guys. We don’t give a fuck about Ian. Half of these new age artist are carbon copies and lack complete originality. But it’s not about that’s he is trendy or white . It’s the fact that he doesn’t give a fuck about the culture . You don’t have to be that smart to see that he doesn’t care. There’s no effort in the music the beats the roll outs the music videos. Nothing. It’s just there to make money .he isn’t saying anything at all.
It’s all a bite. And it’s not even a good bite… if I want to listen a BigBabyGucci or Yeat I would’ve done that five years ago.
You’re the exact people Tyler is talking about . “who cares Ian is up and trendy right now that’s all that matters. Tyler is just a hater and just be out of touch.
No, you guys are out of touch and don’t give a fuck about a culture that clearly other people do it’s not about race or even being white or even being trendy it’s about how all of you guys eat this shit up and defend it constantly . More than half of these people are literally clowns, and they have nothing to offer and you guys are even worse by offering opinions on a culture you are barley old enough to understand.
You like the music, you don’t find it weird . That’s cool good for you enjoy what you like music is subjective.
But unoriginality and a lack of substance or respect for the culture is not subjective
hxncho doin the same thing (biting futures sound) and i dont see anyone complaining
everyone is influenced by someone but it's how you make it your own that matters. me personally i'm not too worried about that i can look past anything (listening to kanye) and just focus on art
@@colefrosty exactly, feels super weird hearing this from tyler… like since when was it uncommon for upcoming artists to have similarities to other artists thru inspiration?
If anything, this gives Ian more credibility and helps his image 💀
ian for sure needs credit for im his rise this year he really got everyone talking about him
@@colefrostyonly time people talking about Ian is when they’re arguing if he’s an industry plant or not. His music is unoriginal and mid at best and will be washed out in 5 years, just like jack harlow.
@emilianorodriguez8961 the last jack harlow single went #1😭😭
@@emilianorodriguez8961 only part i disagree w is your Jack Harlow take, cause he’s still a heavy hitter in hip-hop. And isn’t an industry plant like Ian.
Jack Harlow isn’t played as much as you think.. in fact I haven’t heard any Jack song since the I’m vanilla baby shit and haven’t even heard that one in a while. Don’t know if he’s a heavy hitter at all either, if I’m being 100% honest I think his last single maybe botted for streams. And I’m not trying to hate but no one talks about Ian, I only heard of that one song with Yachty and the only part I remember is the part everyone plays when he says “first thing in the morning.. blunt”
I also think he won’t be relevant for that long, UNLESS he switches his style.
All of Tyler’s fans are white 😭 so hearing that from him of all people is fried lol
Ian has Xarti influences too 🚜💨
i never saw the carti or yeat comparison with ian, more of old sosa, future, early 2010s trap
You’re part of the problem bro.
If you don’t understand where Tyler is coming from you don’t truly understand the problem here.
i am the problem for enjoying ian's music😭 see how yall are the ones ruining Our good time. tyler is right about certain things but pls tell me what he did wrong on his new song he dropped on ig. it was something new and creative and he isn't pretending to be someone else lol
@@colefrosty He hasn't put out a single creative or original piece of art yet. Everything he does is either a copy of Carti, Gucci or Future.
If this was any other art medium he would be made a mockery.
He's nothing different from what we already saw with Vanilla Ice, G-Eazy, Timberlake, Macklemore, Post Malone, Jack Harlow, Bhad Bhadie, 4Baz, 6ix9ine, Pump and multiple others.
It's sanitized bullshit backed by labels that wanna sterilizer art.
@@colefrosty Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust typical
Hip-Hop purists are just as annoying as boomer rock purists honestly. People have to stop mythologizing and making a religion out of Hip-Hop. It’s just a genre of music. An artistic medium.
Culture vultures and suburban kids… We don’t fw it simple
anyway *plays magic johnson*
See this is the real problem with the Drake effect. All these non hiphop fans cosplaying for the money is the problem. It’s not just a white thing either. Hip Hop deserves better than just another grifter. Do yourself a favor and check out the new Ye and Ty Vultures 2 album. Maybe if these grifters started copying Ye instead of Drake we would all be better off. You think it’s a good thing that some of the biggest artist in the world are making the most watered down boring music ever? Where are all the visionaries at? New sounds? Not coming from white grifters that’s for sure.
vultures 2 was your best example😂😂
@@colefrosty I can’t stop listening to it since it dropped. Ye and Ty are pretty much washing everybody right now. And I’m here for it.
I wish I was a rapper cuz I’m dissing Tyler for bringing my name up
ian would not win against tyler in any universe bro 😭
@@ho_vre ian the goat tyler is not so goat but carti is better than both
@@Zen69967 this nigga listened to his first rap song 5 months ago
ian diss track on tyler👀 (im delulu)
@@colefrosty ian tuff bro idgaf what other says about him
Videos like these are so annoying. Tyler basically had the same problem with Ian that Kendrick had with Drake, why are so many more people against Tyler than the Kendrick scenario?
Also, really, you had to talk about the fact that Tyler called him white. The point of that is to recognize that it is even weirder when a white artist is using hip-hop as simply a way to collect money, because it becomes even more suspicious and obvious that they don't care for the culture. And in my opinion, Tyler is right. I'm sorry, but I can't stomach music where it's so easy to tell that the artist doesn't care. This is my main problem with Drake's music, it doesn't sound like he's trying or really cares at all for music. He doesn't love the music, he isn't genuine. It's annoying when something you care about, is used by someone who doesn't care. His basic raps are so boring, you can tell he doesn't care. Does this mean you can't like the music, of course not! And I know someone is gonna reply saying it isn't that deep, or that if music slaps, it slaps, and that music is music, but I highly disagree. I care for the art, I wanna feel like the artist is really putting their all into the music, otherwise, it's just boring and lackluster, and makes them unlikeable. Also, Ian is corny. Again, you can like his music, but he is nowhere near GOAT status (Like some Ian fans believe). You can't tell me to not take Ian serious, when that's all his fans and the industry do. How am I supposed to put Ice Spice in the light of being a joke, when she's rich and getting the whole industry to call her a good rapper. He may not be serious, but the industry is claiming him as a serious artist, and Ian himself even wants to prove that, thus, I am gonna treat him serious, and in that serious light, he has no love for the culture, and is quite an only ok rapper. This is hip-hop. Ian's work is a growing trend. This is serious. I mean, I feel like it's so easy to see how this is harmful. It's changing rap, making it more likely for people who don't care about it to just do it for a quick buck. I mean, Ian def got inspiration from other people like Ice Spice, it's very clear.
The only thing I disagree with Tyler on, is hating on Ian so early. Mac Miller was a frat boy rapper in the beginning, so I want to do the same with Mac, and give Ian time to learn. However, this begs another huge question. You said in the comments, "He's only been making music for 6 months, why is there already so much hate?", but to fire back, if he's only been making stuff for 6 months, why is he already getting called the GOAT? You can't genuinely convince me Ian is in the same conversation as the likes of Tupac, Kanye, JPEGMAFIA, and Tyler. GOATs are people who pioneer rap and change the genre, or make something incredible. Also, I have another question for you. If all you need to be a GOAT is the vibes and the music being good (No culture recognition, no seriousness, no deeper meaning, no pioneering of a part of rap), then does that make Kendrick NOT a GOAT. Songs like We Cry Together by Kendrick are def not vibes, yet he is still considered a GOAT. Again, this is due to his experimental nature, love for the culture, and pioneering of specific rap styles, specifically in the West Coast.
I'm gonna leave it simply like this. If a rapper doesn't care for their art, then I don't care for them.
i really appreciate this comment finally someone who can see both sides and see opinions but still respect them while adding reasons. i found 90% of the comments to be toxic or just ripping apart ian in cruel ways making the situation a lot more toxic than it needed to be.
i will say i think those of us who enjoy ian and his character don't hold him very highly in conversations on the best lyricist or, aoty, creativeness or originally we just enjoy quick catchy bangers like 'magic johnson' bc to be fair he has good flow and can rap.
artists that are more talented and push the boundaries, that care about the art (tyler is a prime example) are held a lot higher up as he worked his tail off for a decade to be here and i will always respect that and give credit to him. but hip hop has a wide variety of trash to goats and im a fan who loves both! i just love hip hop and debating it so thanks for keeping it civil and not throwing a fit or making it personal:)
@@colefrosty Yeah, sorry for the saying the video was annoying 😭😭😭 I think it's really just difference in tastes. I personally can't stomach quick bangers, but that's just taste (Doesn't make me better or more valid, I just get bored with bangers). Ian just gives off vibes that he's doing a shtick, a character, but it's fine to like his music. He just gives off vibes of just wanting money and to use rap, and he isn't really passionate. Again, fine to like him though. I don't think Tyler was attacking though, I think he just cares about rap and the rap scene A LOT. I feel like he's very caring for rap, thus wants the scene to have lots of artistic integrity. Thanks for being civil! :) (Also thanks for appreciating the comment)
i used to think ian was a little mid but now my perspective on him has changed. let's not take everything so serious. he's pretty talented, actually 🤷♂
talented is a stretch but he make fire music
@@slimegokrazy you haven't seen him on the piano?
ian proved he can really rap with that song with yatchy it's not a fluke. im locked in to whatever he drops im a big ian fan his music
This take surprised me from Tyler, considering his early career and work with OFWGKTA.
OF actually gave a fuck abt the art they released, Ian's entire brand is being a white carti fan.