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What is best for club football moving forward? | UCL on CBS Sports
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2023
- Thierry Henry, Jamie Carragher, Micah Richards and Guillem Balagué debate the future of club football and if it's fair to see the Premier League spending the way they are.
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As Jamie says, Real Madrid and Barcelona don't even distribute money fairly in LaLiga, but they demand that from other European clubs in European arena?
What's really annoying is when that deal was being negotiated you had a brilliant Deportivo team playing and the Valencia team that got into the final 2 times in a row. And then they go and give both Real and Barca 50% of the pie for the next 18 years. Imagine we could have still had a competitive La Liga with Deportivo and Valencia battling it for the title. Now Balagues crying because of money but back then he didn't even try to question those deals.
No ballague, i dont think competitions should be more democratic, they should be more meritocratic. Performances= success. Success = financial success and better teams DESERVE to win more money.
Biggest hypocrites in football
@@AA98 It's called greed.
And because they have electoral presidents, each of their presidents carw only about the finances during his reign.
They don't care about longterm finances or good of the club or good of the football.
For example, Bartomeu has left Barcelona in huge debt, and now he does not bare any responsibility or any personal money loss.
And now these "Super League" promoters talk, as if they care about football.
And now they "beg" English clubs to share the money. First sort your own league, then talk about "justice"
Real and Barca are not governing bodies in la liga....thus aren't responsible for the equal or equitable distribution of resources.
Short memories. La Liga and Serie A loved it when they had all the money. Breaking transfer records left right and centre. Swings and roundabouts.
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and now that you have the money of Saudis and Qataris, you keep winning Real hahahah
facts. Madrid even branded their dominance and riches as Los Galacticos. They didn't give a fuck.
La Lisa and serie never had the money. Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Juve did. When we talk about the lopsidedness of European football it’s more to do with 1 market dominating the financial side of the game and marginalizing every other one on a large scale. If we aren’t careful in 5 years no other European league will have top talent and we’ll end up with a vacuum of talent that is the PL
@@tobiogunsina8426 you know you're totally wrong about the teams, right?
The hypocrisy from Balague is astounding. I remember when he used to do Revista de la liga on Sky 15 years ago and he was all giddy every time a Spanish club came for an English player.
Yep as a Liverpool fan I remember
Every time we got close to a premiership title along would come R MADRID or Barca and take alonzo or suarez , Mascarano and we would take two steps back the following season ..
Tried the same again with couthino but that backfired 😆
Balague words are as dishonest as hypocritical. Real Madrid had the most money in the 1960s so it wasn’t just sporting success. They were being bankrolled by the Spanish dictator General Franco, which is why they had so many of the world best players of that 1950s to 1960s era. It is a complete lie to suggest Real Madrid wasn’t paying the most for players of that era. It is just Spanish don’t want to admit their short-term strategy of financially doping two teams to dominate Europe is now failing and could lead to financial collapse of La Liga so want to claim the sustainable wealth of the Premier League is corrupt because they cannot make that much money for their teams.
Thank you very much. I have always had a weird feeling about his credibility. He talks rubbish a lot with a lot of bluster
@@Delboy0 General franco was also bank rolling real madrid when they won 3 champions league title between 2016-2018. GTFO Hater!
Thierry Henry being the voice of reason once again
He’s being a politician, overly diplomatic
Another cheat , taking the piss
Sitting on the fence because he has ties in both league
The look from Henry @2:10 😂😂
Carra is spot on. Why should the PL help other European leagues in any shape of form. In the 80's Italy was the place with the money 90's Spain was the league. Ans the likes of Madrid Barca Milan clubs and Juve didn't care about our league. In fact English football was a joke to them. Now that the PL have got their eggs in order and become a Super League in its own right. So those other league should go and sort themselves out. And as Jamie said start with your own league
Balague is clearly a mouthpiece for Barcelona & Real Madrid on the Super League
He is European , therefore Anti-Roman Slavers, meaning the English , did you know due to this the English language which is mix of turncoat Roman soldiers who settled in England after the Celts were wiped out. is known in Europe as the barstards Tounge ?
@@gratefulkm You're talking more shit than Biden, which really is saying something.
@@gratefulkmwhat is blud waffling about 😭😭😭
@@gratefulkm what? No it’s not English is directly borrowed from French, in particular Norman French. Before that it was an Anglo-Saxon ‘English’ which is totally unintelligible to any German speaker let alone Anglo speaker and before that while Rome occupied Britain most still spoke the native tongue of the isles.
If by some roundabout way ur saying that because French comes from Latin, meaning that English originates from Latin then that would mean in fact French is also bastard tongue???
@@pazthepole2814 Are you able to have your thought process, or do you stay safely within the written history, written by the Slavers ?
Because all your doing is regurgitating lies
The Celts that occupied England were wiped out, completely, the only survivors hid in the Scottish or Welsh mountains or fled to Eire
The English language is more Eire or Welsh
The Latin and Greek came from the Slavers
The French and German came from the Sell outs who joined the advancing Roman Army
I know an ex-owner of a Greek football club who now owns a Spanish one - he says exactly the same as Carragher. If the Spanish leagues actually distributed the money equally the whole league would improve & ultimately everyone would benefit from increased revenue, more followers etc. But R. Madrid and Barceona simply don't want to disrupt their dominance and open it up to competition, so it is stagnant & not as exciting to watch as the EPL.
The team that finishes 20th out of 20 earns more money via television revenue than the winner of the spainsh league italian league and French league combined its steroids and they still can't beat real madrid
what club an in Greece did this guys own previously?
Jamie is dead right. Real and Barcelona were happy to have the monopoly in Spain while the rest struggled, which meant the league struggled. They were happy once ronaldo and Messi were scoring hatricks every week
Innit. As Jamie said, Real and Barca don't even look after the rest of the teams in La Liga. All the cash went to those two, but now the Premier League is prospering they're arriving with a begging bowl and crying that it's unfair
Its not the same thing and not where the problem is. Real and Barca where and probably still are two of the most prestigious clubs in the world, naturally they where up there economically, But the differences have never been like this economically. British clubs have always been able to compete same with italy etc, but after ffp and PL tv rights everything is very unbalanced. I mean snitchel clubs in pl can spend more then the best in Europe. Thats just retarded
but why is it only about real madrid and barcalona. They are outliers in this argument. There's like 38 other teams across europe who can't compete.
@@htconexify their product was worse and now they’re suffering because the premier league marketed and structured itself more efficiently for the last 30 years. It’s a simple business rule: adapt or get left behind, and now the other leagues are experiencing this the hard way.
@@htconexify it’s a shame that other fan bases across Europe have to suffer but their federations were managed poorly. Anyways, let’s not act like the last 25 years has been 50 clubs competing for the ucl… the number is closer to 10.
Imagine if we reverse this situation - real Madrid and barca have all the money and no one is able to compete with them? Will they make the playing field even? That sums it up.
nah no ones is raising a voice then.....from 2010 to 2020 barca and rm dominated europe...no one raised a question then as well....the premier league was still the most watched league even then....rm always cherry picked players from epl and now they arent able to do that from most leagues.....they have mismanaged their finances and are drowning and they pick the PL to be blamed...In germany its only bayern in spain its rm and barca....in france its psg.....what i mean its a forgone conclusion..the same cant be said of epl....even when city won the league liverpool run them close and same arsenal is doing the same...but its barely a case in other leagues......bayern just won their 10th consecutive league title...no one is questioning the monopoly there...
This is classic "Rules for thee but not for me!"
Can't wait for these prem teams to come calling for the best talents at Barca and Madrid!
Those two do a great job of tapping up players, as they did to nearly all of Chelsea defence last season. Even the defenders we had agreed to buy the bought, even though they did not have the money to sign them on!
Tribalism,deep seated rivalry and passion are the defining characteristics that has drawn so many global fans liike me to EPL. I dont think it can be recreated in a continental format unless its truly democratic and the winner is unpredictable every season.
As a Madrid fan it's hilarious for the Spanish to complain about money just like Jamie said. I want the Super League because the Champions league group stages suck and are boring. But giving money to Spain from England is just disgusting.
Barcelona made an approach for Rodri this morning for 80 mil. They're literally selling the plastic seats from Camp Nou, just for extra income 😂
You mean all these Premier League clubs that are run by foreign owners? Those teams? The ones that might have backed down at the first version of the Super League but how long will they be able to resist the allure of cutting out UEFA? There's zero chance what you want to see happen will ever happen, just look at how long it has taken the Premier League clubs to even get close to Real Madrid's revenues and the most successful one in recent time probably cooked the books just to get there. As long as Real Madrid and Barcelona continue to dominate in the UEFA Champions League they'll continue to attract the biggest names. Just look at how players from South America hold them in such high esteem over clubs from England. It would literally take generations of failure for that to be reversed. The only players that hold English clubs in higher esteem than Real Madrid and Barcelona are players from England. That's never changing, certainly not in our life times.
I disagree with a Super League concept because I live for the giant killing match ups like seeing a Bournemouth or Brighton work their way up to sock it to big money club every so often. The Leicester miracle was probably one of the best moments in EPL history and that could not happen in a Super League-esque concept.
The difference is that Real Madrid and Barcelona always signed established players with multiple seasons. Compare the transfers of Suarez, CR7, Zidane had established themselves before moving to Spain, compare that to Mudryk, Enzo etc
Well Real Madrid kinda started this by buying bale after 18 months of form for 85mill obvs he turned out good but yeah other team aren’t letting there players go for cheap anymore
@@GeneralBlaze95 Bale was 24 years old. You can only mention Vinicius, Rodrygo and Endrick signings as Madrid recent spending on unproven players
@@thealchemist6355 24 only playing 18 months of good football for 85 mill no chance
@@GeneralBlaze95 EPL tax, 😝😝😅😝😝
@Evan I'm listening. I have not said that Madrid never made signing errors. I was discussing spending astronomical amounts on unproven talents. I can name the 3 Brazillian Signings(Vinicius, Rodrygo and Endryck) as the most recent examples. But under the Galacticos era, Madrid spent millions on established players.
I understand what Balague is saying in terms of the financial differences NOW between the prem clubs and the rest of Europe, but that only came about because the other top 5 leagues unfairly distributed wealth to the biggest teams, making the league less competitive, less watchable and therefore less profitable
@@UpShir67 actually no, the model was to share profits across the teams, so that makes the teams safer investments for those that want to invest. Therefore regardless if the teams win or not, you can invest and get a return because you’ll get a share of the rights. This is what hyper capitalists forget, that in the long-run everyone is better if when wealth if more fairly distributed. La Liga is an example of what happens when you take a hyper capitalist self interested approach. Sure RM & Barca do well for while, but in the end the whole league suffers and since you’re a part of that league, you suffer to. And now because of that they have done to their league they want to jump ship into some European League leaving everyone else behind. Now yes there are issues with billionaire investors which I hope the EPL deals strongly with in regards to City and Chelsea atm. But that doesn’t justify a so call distribution of funds.
Spot on 👍
incorrect, the European clubs have been begging Liverpool to join a super league since the 70,s
England has a much larger game going fan base than the rest of Europe, which has always meant more professionalism , hence why England Ruled until banned from Europe
Then the Italians went into huge debt to try and draw an audience to the Italian League , which worked but the football is slow technical and boring, so despite the stars signed the return on investment(ROI) did not materialise
Then the Spanish Giants went the same way , they created the Galactico's to draw attention and both big Spanish teams went into huge debt to try and succeed where the Italian's had failed and it kind of worked as all roads led to Spain, but again the ROI did not happen, they didn't make enough, and only the fact that most South Americans speak Spanish meant that the desire for the best players to play in Spain , was a big reason for Spain to hold the flame of defiance for so long
Germany had a big debate and decided to not attempt to go into debt and kept Football on a slower growth but sustainable forever
When the money men took over England,
1 all they had to do was FIX it so Liverpool didn't win the league , 3 penalties not given to Liverpool and 3 Given for nothing to MU meant a 24 point advantage to Man Utd
this created the the most competitive league in the world, Which drew a big audience as the narrative was how long could MU stop Liverpool , then could MU catch Liverpool 7-18 , then could they actually overtake Liverpool , This was the big draw the big FIX , Arsenal was also prevented from Winning the Premier league as that was boring Arsenal was the 2nd most titles, before the Premier started to Fix it in favour of MU
Its always made me laugh watching MU players dive in Europe and seeing their disbelief when the penalty is not given , just happen with the Barca game so funny
And why Liverpool are more successful in Europe in the same period MU had the Premier league handed to them on a platter
2 The English fan demands blood and guts not Technical ability, which has always meant the bigger players have a chance against the little technical players , again made the games more exciting to watch
So we have finally reached the inevitable
English Football rules and will rule
Now we the CL will become boring as England will win it most times and that probably being Liverpool , unless they Fix the Refs in Europe as Anti Liverpool as well
Fifa is appearing as well, wanting some of that English magic
To summarise England generates more money to pay the managers and players, always has, unless someone goes into massive debt to try and compete
And strangely England looks like the least racially abusive stadiums to play in as well
@@UpShir67 I agree about the issue of money from states/billionaires, but the super league is not the answer to that problem. That’ll just create an elite of teams that are all owned by these states. What’s needed is proper enforcement of FFP. The EPL has the chance to do that and should. Hopefully the government inquiry into football management will help ID some regulations to help the game be more sustainable in England. Other leagues need to do the same thing.
@@parvizdeamer I agree with that too, if the other leagues incorporate the same system of sharing rights for the foreseeable future, the European leagues will all be mini super leagues.
At the same time I do think some sort of super league will be the future unfortunately, look at the revenue the NFL brings in compared to the premier League, even with lower viewing figures. They'll chase the money
Love to see Jamie not backing down, 'spitting' absolute facts lol
I love when pundits stick to their guns on matters they are completely correct in. Well done Jamie.
I think the main problem is some zillionaires buying some clubs, and making them their personal toys.
Suddenlly its all about who has the richest zillionaire owning their team.
Football was magic before 2000 ´s until Abrahmovic bought Chelsea and started a trend, then City, PSG and many other follow it.
My team has one of best youth academies in the world and the best scouts, but then every year comes a zillionaire and takes out our best players; anyway i still prefer to be like that than my club beeing own by a spoiled zillionaire.
Benficas problem is they play in Portuguese league and no one watches that, so they get their money by scouting and selling players
@@vojvoda-draza if we would be able to retain talent at least a couple of seasons more, perhaps more people would watch our shi*** league and we wouldn't feel the need to sell them. Also, perhaps UCL would be way better and more competitive going forward, even playoffs for the group stages would bring some nice features. Football is rotten a long time ago and it's all about money. I just wish one day someone will pull the rug under those inflated teams and then it becomes about meritocracy again. PS. Spanish clubs can't talk as well, especially RM and FCB, it's hypocritical.
@@vojvoda-draza U dont watch it, thats different.
the epl is the most economically and financially stable and attractive league in the world
You lying to yourself if you think that you wouldn't be happy if a "zillionaire" came to buy your club lol. Thing is No one want to cos winning that league isn't that hard for Benfica. Guaranteed to win it at least once every 2 years. People are buying into the prem is mainly because of the prem marketing value and reach. Barca and Madrid got it too but not La liga as a League.
Jamie is 100% right, it's hypocrisy especially from Real Madrid and Barcelona
Real and Barca spend their own earned money not some filthy oil money
@@Bellaciaao no they don’t 🤣
Did Real and Barca come out with a statement that they want te EPL to give La Liga money or something? Otherwise how exactly are they hypocrites?
The premier league dominance is due to its inherent advantages, which sadly I don’t think can be overcome by the other leagues.
1. The language - English is the lingua Franca of the world.
2. English football culture - The rivalries in the EPL are long and storied , and more well known globally. Derbies like the NLD , Manchester Derby, Chelsea Vs Any of the big London teams. They all draw views and there are more of these ‘big games’ than in any other European league.
3. The income distribution - The EPL has the most even distribution in Europe. This means the competitiveness is better than the other leagues. Bayern might loose the odd game to a relegation side but they won’t ever finish below 2nd/3rd. While Liverpool , Chelsea, United, arsenal etc have all finished outside the top 4 at least once in the past 10 years.
4. Marketing - Not only is it advertised everywhere, the EPL has a huge social media content environment. Look at the amount engagement on Twitter during live EPL games. Sure Madrid or Barca also do have it, but the engagement for the average EPL far surpasses that of any other league. Also the amount of content creators on RUclips , twitch etc. The user base for FPL. The premier league is miles ahead.
This is not a cycle. This is just the way it is moving forward.
You hit the nail on the head... I was too busy to write all that, but you read my mind. Unfortunately, and regardless of what one may agree or feel about it, that is the main reason why it is only a matter of time before a Continental European Super League is created. It is the only way to stem the overwhelming expansion of the EPL in the global market.
yeah i was thinking the same
Was the english language such a big deal when italy and spanish clubs ruled the roost? No.
@@AhmedMIbrahim1988 The English language has always been number 1, well not always but you know. 😂😂
@@cpj93070 im talking about how hes blaming the english language for EPL dominating it lol
Jamie Carragher is the best pundit in English-speaking arena, and possibly in Europe too
@abduljelel ahmed Gary is better at articulating and Carra is better at reasoning. I mean they are both above others, but relative to each other of course
Gary Neville is a nob. Nowhere near Carra
he is so stupid
His take on Lisandro Martinez before even played was stupid
He totally owned Florentino Perez there
People only rate Jamie when he's supporting the EPL😂
Real Madrid and Barcelona can only spend what they earn
That's the fundamental different between them and a Chelsea or City
Look at Barcelona they were mismanaged so much and it almost sank the club
You realize that both Real and Barca since 2001 were each getting $100m for tv rights while the rest of the clubs in the league had to do with scraps. That was going on till 2019-20. The hypocrisy from la liga fanboys is hilarious. If you'd spread that money evenly we could have still been watching the likes of Depor and Valencia battling it for the titles. But nope you had to be greedy. Remember at the time when this deal was negotiated Barca weren't even that good.
Real didn't spend what they earned, though, did they. 3 Times in the last 30 years, Real have been basically bailed out by the Spanish government.
@@mesicek7 La Liga fanboy memories only go back to 2020 😂
@@mesicek7 Barca and Real Madrid generate the most revenue for LaLiga. Why shouldn't they get more?
@@mhtv5959 Again that was not the case back then when that deal was negotiated.
Guillemot getting nailed in this!
JC sitting him down
Really? Jamie just looked like a woman getting all emotional and worked up about a topic that Guillem was just calmly sitting in his chair and explaining the Spanish club's position in a very relaxed manner. Guillem was already sitting, Jamie was on the edge of his seat losing control of his emotions, seemed like he was the only who needed to sit down. Jamie seems well intentioned but emotions cloud your judgement and undermine the strength of your position.
While stricter laws are required about spending, it is definitely hypocritical for la liga and clubs like Madrid (along with any Italian accusers) to get upset about this when they were dominant for years and the PL would get swarmed for their best and then get smacked in the CL. The reformatting of the PL developed a better long term vision of prosperity for all of the clubs hence Villa being able to grab a CL level manager like Unai while he is as Villarreal mid season. The sharing of the TV rights is something that could have been done in Spain early on and they might be in a similar position but they chose greed and now they are crying foul as if RM are the victims. They are certainly on top of football but wow they whine about so much when they get favoritism, still win the CL, and special treatment all the time. The shoe is finally on the other foot again when it comes to power and suddenly the system is totally broken and now is the time to fix it but not when other leagues were the ones breaking transfer records for Bale, Neymar, Coutinho, etc.
Real Madrdi and Barca are fan owned clubs. They are both non profit clubs they can and could only operate with the money THEY generated. And now there is the prem with clubs who get pumped up with money by investors. You really want to compare them?
@@rauljimenez1508 Once again that is their choice so other clubs, especially ones in other countries, shouldn't be forced to follow the same model as that would be ridiculous. England just finally caught up by reworking the model in the 90s and encouraging investment when Spanish and Italian teams dominated for years, do you not see the hypocrisy here? Better financial fair play rules should be implemented with stricter penalties, but ownership model is entirely up to the club and/or the country's regulations. Barcelona was severely mismanaged for years so that is their motivation for the super league and other measures, why should their mismanagement be another club's problem?
@@thisIsFunnyLolz “Once again that is their choice so other clubs, especially ones in other countries, shouldn't be forced to follow the same model as that would be ridiculous.”
It’s funny how that actually perfectly describes the situation we are having now. Where the Premier league (even if its unintentional) is forcing the rest of Europe to follow the same model (get Investors) to get more money to be able to compete, cause there is no alternative when some clubs get artificially pumped up with money and suddenly can compete with the rest of Europe (Newcastle). And I don’t know how you can compare those two models in regards to fairness. Fan owned clubs need to WORK or use their reach (which they WORKED for to get) to generate money. While clubs like Newcastle again who were shit before only need to say yes to a investor to get a shitload of money.
“Better financial fair play rules should be implemented with stricter penalties, but ownership model is entirely up to the club and/or the country's regulations“
I generally agree with you there. You especially have to limit the money clubs can use from Investors with a general limit but also with a system similar to the salary cap.
“Barcelona was severely mismanaged for years so that is their motivation for the super league and other measures, why should their mismanagement be another club's problem?”
Yeah that would be their motivation of the super league. But other clubs would profit in a similar way so their motivation is literally irrelevant if it means more money for everyone. Also nobody is forcing anyone to join the Super League so it’s not like Barcelona’s Problems are forced onto other clubs. And it’s not like it is now where the UEFA is keeping a giant part of the revenue and not paying it out to the clubs for no logical reason.
@@rauljimenez1508 1. Intention matters in this situation. The premier league clubs were in disarray with poor attendance and struggling before the PL was reformatted, but did they scream for help and changes from clubs in other countries? No, which is what is happening now. They fixed it themselves by "exploiting" a good open legal model and unless UEFA wants to force the same ownership model rules across Europe, which would kill much momentum in the expansion of the game, then it is not English teams' problems for just playing the game. Also don't stick your head in the sand and think that the president of La Liga is speaking for anyone other than RM and Barcelona because that is all he cares about which is why he only speaks up when they have problems. And the Newcastle example is a false assumption, Newcastle was a very solid big club that contended for CL places for a number of years, but the risk of the "rich owner" model is that you can get an owner like their previous one who just wanted to collect a check and not spend so they became bad which is fair and a risk as long as the rules were followed. They are also growing slowly right now within reason especially after years of underspending vs other PL clubs. So either standardize ownership rules or financial rules to make it all equal.
2. Salary cap could be useful, just need to make sure no one is getting side deals like Man city did with Manchini and that random Qatari club for like 3 days work lol
3. Once again, intention and motivation matter. The previous super league proposal was a disgrace to the game that was driven by the clubs that mismanaged their money then cried foul. How is that any other club's problem? Until it is in writing I would honestly not trust some clubs for saying the share will be equal until it is. Yes, Uefa are scum for their money seeking and expansion of group games to just get more, but a merit based super league is required that is balanced based on collective success for it to have any backing by real fans (for example: if metrics are used and the PL teams do way better then their share should be a bit higher as the PL prizes are mainly equal with slight incentives based on finish which keeps teams motivated)
I like that United went to the Camp Nou and had Barca on the ropes.
I agree with Carragher, over the years Madrid and Barcelona have bought top players on stupid wages like 500k-750k and all of sudden now they are crying when its not happening for them. Gareth Bale earned a fortune at Madrid. Messi is the Best player in the world agreed but Barcelona kept on giving him roughly 1M/week contract and now they are in financial shambles. The height of hypocrycy from the Spanish and Italian clubs is next level.. They want to eat all the money from their leagues and then cry out loud that league doesn't make money due to lack of competition........HOW THE FUCK IS THAT BARCELONA SIDE 8-10 Points clear in La Liga when Leicester in 1st half caused United more problems than them......Say what you want a team l;like Brighton would also finish in top4 in Laliga over 38 games season
Tebas is jealous that the Premier league found a better way of distributing wealth equally,they decided to focus on two of their clubs and someone else beat them at their game and now they don’t like it,I am so happy that premier league teams are now taking players on the market that both Madrid and Barca want as they did the same for so long
Carragher absolutely spot on
What needs to happen is the TV money needs to spead more evenly in the Spain, which will eventually create a better league from top to bottom, earn it and it will come, that's what the Premier league have done but barca and Madrid arnt willing
Think its summed up in the opening comment ‘how do we stop this’ no intention of competing or making a better product through distributing money fairly in their own league
The quality of football is also a huge point. The quality in the Prem has always out shone its European counterparts. Maybe I'm biased but I would much rather watch a couple middle table Prem teams clash, or a derby, or a relegation battle over 95% of La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga. We have the super league already.
I got to admit even though the PL is elite we get all our players from France so credit to them and their scouting cus there are so many gems in the last 20 years that have played in football either coming thru in the french system or born there
La liga should sell some tv rights to cbs because that would bring more eyes on it on the usa.
I get what balague is saying because he is vouching for la Liga teams mostly Barcelona and real. What i don't understand is why he would want Real Madrid to compete in spending with those premier league teams. It really isn't fair, Real Madrid not spending a tenth of what those other clubs spend and they still spank everyone in any league.
Salary cap and do away with buying out contracts. You do player trades like in American sports or once the contract runs out they go into free agency. Also every team gets 1/20th of the revenue in a 20 team domestic league on tv deals. In the CL the financial structure should be all the clubs that make group stages get 1/32 of the share, not per win. Then in the round of 16 every team gets 1/16 of the share, the only time a team gets more money for winning is the final and make it a small amount, like 1 million. Players either take less money to go to a “big club” or they make big money at a normal team. Also requiring clubs to operate in the black should be a requirement. One year of losses in every 10 years is all that is allowed.
The premier league DOES support European leagues. Chelsea have recently donated £600 million between different European leagues!!
Good one
no but the idea is to kepp some great players to be compit ,you can compit if you just sell every players every time
It’s funny how Real Madrid are the only club everyone around the world recognizes as the club that would pay the 150-200 million for Mbappe.
I love Premier League and English football and I always cheer for them in the CL. But I don’t want English teams to become super teams which then teams like Bayern, Barca, Real etc. in time will get trouble competing with. Champions League is fun to watch in part because the biggest clubs from England, Spain, Germany, in part Italy, are relatively equal in strength.
IT will still remain the same because only like 4 people can get into the CL im an Arsenal supporter were a "BIG" club but have not been in CL for ages and not performed well but that will change now for the next 5 - 10 years. But we still dont have like Mbappe or Haaland or messi or ronaldo we have future talent and a strong team community and solid all around.
This conversation reminds me of that Game of Thrones episode, Battle Of The Bastards, where Jon Snow before war begins offers Ramsey Bolton an one on one fight before the battle to resolve the war and Ramsey flatly refuses. But Ramsey knows he is about to lose the war he suddenly wants to accept the offer of one on one combat out of desperation. Real and Barcelona financially doped for two decades and now English teams are organically getting richer than team, the Spanish are claiming this is unfair 😂 the hypocrisy is astounding.
Jamie’s point is so heavily inaccurate. Real Madrid has forever gone after the best players no matter the league but that’s never been Barcelonas thing even back to the Rijkaard years. They may have gone after one or two of the best in the world (Ronaldinho, Figo, Ronaldo) but they’ve always built from their youth system. Even if you think about players who’ve come back Fabregas & Pique those are Barca youth products. The Prem is going after every single player and it’s making it less competitive
The likes of Scotland, Spain, Germany and to a lesser extent Italy have killed their own leagues by giving 1 or 2 clubs all the revenue and all the power and killing off all competition. That's why the TV money in the prem is higher.
I agree that the money that the likes of City, Chelsea and Newcastle spend is disgusting and wrong but City could very soon face the consequences of that.
Italy and Spain have poached the best talent in England for generations so its quite funny to hear them complain about us doing the reverse
what about the money Everton spend? its arguably even more gross because you couldn't even turn that into a successful team
Exactly how can you give 2 teams 80% of the tv rights and then complain the league isnt competive ??? give out the money fairly each year and eventually you will have a competive league a super league doesnt solve the issue it just gives bigger clubs more money and takes less from prem teams and lets be real there's no real movement for the super league without prem teams
@Lord Diego Costa I agree its wrong but you've spent nearly as much in 2 windows as we have in 7 years
@hmmvellss imagine if during peak Classico with Messi and Ronaldo every Club got an equal cut of revenue? La Liga would be the richest in the world since all the teams could invest massively and it would be more competitive and more appealing
@@connormitchell6446 and before that? you had higher net spend than us. were gonna make sales this summer, and there's one club to blame for inflation: psg. btw, no such outcry existed back when serie a was acting like this.
thank youuu jamie carragher!!! Finally someone nails the point down
The EPL built themselves up into this position they are in now cuz they weren’t always this rich. Other leagues should do the same for themselves if they want the same benefits instead of trying to take down who’s ahead of them in the game
So let me get this right, Real Madrid are allowed to buy a team of Galacticos but now are throwing a hissy fit because they have to spend money on their stadium like Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool had/have to 🤔 talk about entitlement 🤦♂️
The real issue here is the FFP rules , in Spain they are tight and we are seeing how Tebas is torturing Barcelona with it and complicating every deal for them and the rest of La liga teams, but in England they are loose or flexible and Teams with no brand or huge revenues are able to spend more than Barcelona and RM , so idk who can solve this , UEFA, FIFA or whomever, either apply the rules on everybody or make them loose for everyone and Javier Tebas is a clown he is destroying his league with his own hands, his tenure ends in December and we will see how great or atleast better La Liga will become again because he is part of the problem.
That being said Real Madrid still figured out how to be competitive. It’s the clubs like Sevilla that it hurts
@@seangadson3085 cos Madrid are state sponsored... you think all their money comes from ticket sales and their socios??😅
@@draoicht22 or because money can’t buy you champions league
The only bad thing is the benches in the premier leag are beter than most european big clubs having on the field
Rare W for Carra
Lmao the intro.
The beginning of the video perfectly exemplifies the problem with the world.
2:10 LOOL
The Premier league worked equally with all to get here... La liga historically just juiced up 3 clubs and called it a day... Now they're upset that the premier league is about to turn the tables... Sad but you made your own bed... now sleep in it
They juiced only 2 teams. Which is kinda sad considering at the time the deal was negotiated you had 2 brilliant teams in Deportivo and Valencia and they go nothing but scraps for them.
well its just fact that the sponsoring deals of clubs like city, newcastle and many more are in no way market appropriate.
surely the super league is the opposite of a solution because its just creates a situation like the prem where the biggest clubs in the world generate astronomically more than anyone else and therefore no one else can financially compete with them
This is a wolf begging for food ( money ) pretending that its hungry but is going to devour whatever you give it. La liga don't have middle Eastern investment and that want a slice of the party. It's all just business. Ffs Madrid are playing super copa de Espagña games in Saudi Arabia
Henry is a fucking walking meme 2:10 😂 😂
So here's a question if those are the biggest spenders why is it that MAN CITY gets all the flack for being oil money spenders with the biggest pockets and yet that's not the case?
Yes chelsea, city and psg are financially doped and something needs to be done about it. That is different though to the prem being the most popular league. It's the most popular for a number of reasons. Time of matches. English speaking. More competitive. Sold better.
What are you going to do about Chelsea and City having money, take it from them?
@@tinasheroy well city look like they might be kicked out of the league. We'll have to see with chelsea.
@@lilbaz8073 City are being accused of not truthfully disclosing their financial positions, any team could be guilty of that not just City, Chelsea and PSG. And if City were guilty of it what connection is there with Chelsea?
@@tinasheroy they're accused of false accounting, witholding information, not cooperating with the inquiry, breaching ffp both prem and uefa. In all over 100 breaches of premier league rules over a decade.
Chelsea are asking to be let off ffp for this season due to abramovich sanctions. Premier league haven't decided yet.
That guy looks like George Clooney
Barca & Madrid don't even distribute money fairly in La Liga, and have been cherry picking the best players from the premier league for over 20 years, why would the English clubs care if they are left behind financially, that is their own problem to fix, not the premier leagues. Serie A was the place to be in the 90's breaking transfer records every year, now that the Premier League is on top of the food chain they want a level playing field? It's a business at the end of the day and business is booming in England
The super league isn’t about fairness, it’s about the biggest clubs playing in the biggest cities to make the rich richer. If it was about fairness it would include their home stadiums, for the the fans. It isn’t and it doesn’t.
It's the owners in the Epl not the league. New Castle, City and Chelsea have billionaire owners who wash their money using the clubs. Chelsea ran up a debt of 1.5 billion before Roman sold it. City are being investigated for shady finances. Madrid spend what they make. That's the difference. I want better financial governance.
Spot on Jamie 👍
This is interesting because even before the premier league is where it is today, it was still a wonderfully league to watch 10 years ago compared to La Liga and Serie A. Not being able to compete financially, should be a issue as long is it is not showing on the pitch which it isnt. Both winners of the European competition were outside English league. They also took advantage by being the first league to start playing during the pandemic which drastically helped bring in more fans all over the world .
Investors are turning the prem into the super league they wanted
Which Bigger players has Newcastle bought?
Exactly Newcastle only has 1 or 2 world class players the rest is good management and honestly the big teams being much weaker this year
Bottom line is the marketing/merchandising of other leagues to the worldwide sucks.
When Jamie is involved there is bound to be a debate
Jamie is the smartest, most analytical and educated person on that panel in terms of football
This guy is just a spokesman for the super league
Funny how they didn't put City in the "Money Spend" intro... 😏
Big up Carra
I'm actually quite surprised that Arsenal has spent that much. They have so much Youth, and have gotten some insane deals. What exactly are they spending it on in that case? "only" 130 million euros under Chelsea is quite surprising to me
The solution is sell your product better, split the profits from TV deals. The PL is loved because on any day the team that is dead last can beat the top team. Look at what happened to Chelsea this past weekend. Look at what happened to City. Arsenal barely pulled out a win. Fans like to see competitive games and that is why La Liga lags and the Bundesliga is on the rise.
easy way to make La Liga more appealing to television deals is to distribute wealth in the league better - 2 team leagues are just not fun to watch most of the time.
as Serie A fans, i'm glad what happen now in Prem League, let them battle with the money and let Serie A battle in football and strategic. we don't need Sassuolo suddenly buy Ronaldo, or Pescara got investor from saudi and buy Mbappe. when Prem have Halland, Seriea A have oshimen, When Paris have Messi, Serie A have Milenkovic Savic. So yes, this is un balance, and it will get worst and maybe we arrive in time when how prem League team will spend 500 Mill only for player like Tonali.
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Real Madrid and Barcelona just can't take the Premier league has caught up and they can't just take all the best players.
Where was this outrage when Real Madrid bought, Zidane, Ronaldo Nazario, Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema.... I can go on.
Double standards
Balague didnt articulate it well when Jamie answered. Yes, some years ago it was Madrid doing it, and Barcelona at other point...so was Juve, Milan and others. But back then it was kind of "one shark in the pond" at any given time. One team ,two tops, at the same time, taking talent from other leagues.
Problem is that right now it isn't just ManU, Liverpool and ManC doing it. It's EVERY team in the premier league. It's everyone. One thing is having one or two teams in europe snatching players of great talent. They'll sign 2-3 of those top profile per year, tops. but another thing is having more than a dozen teams in the same league doing it,some of which aren't even close to contention for a title. Because 2-3 players per team times a dozen now we're talking dozens of players per year. Not just 4-5. It's a whole different scale.
So back when happened what Jamie was complaining about, it was one or two teams getting 3-4 of the top players in europe per year.
But now its more than a dozen teams getting dozens of those players per year, paying stupid ridiculous prices for them, and stupid ridiculous wages for them (so the rest of the teams in europe are forced to waste a lot of their already much lesser money in bigger wages too to try to keep their players and not lose them, wich makes it even harder to them at the time of trying to sign new ones).
So the EPL gets dozens of the best players in europe per year while at the same time causing a mass inflation of transfer prizes for everyone else, plus causing a mass inflation of player wages on top of that for everyone else in european football too, so the problem gets even worse each year that goes by.
It's absolute rubbish, I'm sorry.
Real Madrid had buckets of state money eg carpark selling to the Council in Madrid etc etc during the Galactico finance times.
They messed up not sharing out the tv revenue and it led to Real dominance or Barca. Very poltiical ironically for Spain due to it's regionalism vs centralism! That cost it competitiveness in the market.
Spin on EPL: They revenue shared tv and parachute champs payments - it's benefitted the entire league and the clubs below and that in turn has driven up competition and then investment and returns.
There's also a population aspect. Some of the towns in La Liga are tiny. UK Population is larger so the top clubs have full stadiums as well as the history of football supporters before they then got tv money and sponsors etc.
Once clubs "franchise" and try to break into a super league it kills the goose that lays the golden egg which is the whole history and tribalism of football. At that point it might as well be Graphical AI Video game playing on the tv screens.....
Kate STILL roasted micah even in this video
The premier league has had the same winner four times out of the last five seasons and that team is currently being charged with over 100 financial doping charges. So the idea that the premier league is this competitive, open and fair league is a complete nonsense. People in England (like Brexit daily telegraph Jamie Carragher) getting red in the face and telling the European teams they are just jealous is just going to make it more likely that Europe will form this new league so they can compete financially.
When..Seria A was Seria A....La Liga...had all the top players....CR7 ..Messi...just to mention a few..we all know what they had...They didn't say anything...no super league..no nothing..everything was ok..
Now they want to change
Barcelona and Real were handpicking the best Prem players, modric, Suarez, bale, ronaldo, xabi alonso, hazard and so on for years and years. Now because the the prem shares it’s money equally with every club they want a slice of their cake hahahaha 😂
yeah great point they get so many great players from premier league for millions
La Liga complaining about the prem having too much money is pathetic Barcelona and real Madrid have had it their own way for years and now the money is going elsewhere they don't like it
I've watched Premier League since the early 90s. I have never paid any interest in La Liga, except for looking at the tables and results every now and then. That's the bottom line. A Super League will be the death of football
After City showed everyone how to run their club as a business, Newcastle, Fulham, Forest are surging. Foreign investors will put money into a bottom table team - when was the last time someone saw potential profits in investing big money in Girona or Celta Vigo? The best players want to play in the UCL - which means only teams with a reasonable long term shot of getting in top 4 get these players. In Spain there are 2 spots. In Italy and Germany, maybe 2 open for grabs. FFP is a gateway to ensure teams without a current popular brand can't do what normal businesses do, invest and be in the red for 5-10 years before sustaining a profit for the next 30.
City are being investigated for serious financial offenses, has everyone suddenly forgotten?
Richards must have been asleep for the first 5 mins 😴 " WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN " Just after the man was arguing with Jamie about what should happen 🤔 Richards should stick to comedy
And yet the best technical players still play in Spain and Germany has the best atmosphere and English teams don’t dominate in Europe anywhere near as much as they should. PL needs money because who’d live in England if you could live in Italy or Spain etc
Awful to live in Spain in the summer. It's horrible.
the difference between the spenders like real madrid barcenlona is they are using club money not private injections
And bailouts from the Spanish Government hey
They should cap everything
every champion should earn the same amount
The real problem is the evaluation that is given to the players. It seems that as soon as they fart they are worth 100 million. When in reality they are mediocre players who, 15/20 years ago, would have been paid a maximum of 10 million.
The Super League would mean the end of football, for me at least.
If the Spanish guy is crying about the situation, how do you think Portugal, the Netherlands, Russia etc. feel? Can't believe Kate actually cut off the spanish dude (didn't catch his name, sorry) just when he was about to spit facts. Cap the wages, that's the only way to do it. You can also end the BS of putting 4 teams in the UCL. It should be just 1.
The main thing is that with all that money They still can't win shit...
Well done Carra. it needs to be said. becasue thye are crying as they dont want to be equal in there own league but want to ruin what good prem is doing for all teams here.
UK: Super league EPL
Saudi: Hold my beer
Love Carragher's love of Premier League. 100% agreed
It's interesting. I see the premier league becoming the super league. Just like what the NBA and NFL does. They will buy up all the talent, rely on rich owners and get all the big business deals which ultimately could mean only premier league teams would compete to win the Champions league.
If things progress like this, the premier league would be the super league.
Well, it has the oldest most traditional clubs, some of which founded the first football league. So, if any nations league should be on top, then by rights, it should be the country that invented the sport.
@@temporaryuseraccount0012 That's fine but it would reduce football from being a wider world sport to a regional sport like American sports. As someone who likes watching different leagues and different philosophies clash it would be a shame.
What I don't understand is how the primer league and their fans went from being so outspoken against sugar daddy clubs like City, PSG and Chelsea to now defending them against fan owned clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona.
@@JubalBed No one complained when Italian and Spanish clubs absolutely financially dominated European competition for decades. Now that English teams are more prosperous, people start complaining and want to stop it. That's hypocrisy. Where were all these complaints before the English Premier League started to become more successful?
@@temporaryuseraccount0012 That just not true. People were complaining about Barca and Real Madrid for years when all the best players in the world wanted to go there.
PL fans themselves complain about financial fair play. Just be consistent. The PL isn't even competitive anymore with City dominating it.
aww Madrid want charity now after decades of being the big boys bullying other clubs with their $ 😭
3:10 Real Madrid buys players and makes them great. Do think that Ronaldo, Modric, Xabi, Bale would have reach that height if they stayed in the premier league?
Carra spot on
The FFP started the so called inequality in Europe. Of course the regulation intended to make teams comply with spending limit however with it comes inequality that just became overbearing. For instance in Spain no club can compete with Real Madrid and Barcelona, Serie A became host of unwanted talents or aging veterans,Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and others are effectively a one team league. So yeah blame UEFA for this inequality no wonder Perez wanted the Super League.
So how will the Super League be fair or distribute the money evenly if a mid table club can not participate in it?