Dr. Peterson, I credit you with being one of the first, and certainly most influential people to stand up against the woke mob. If it weren't for your actions in doing so, the world would be a much different place. God bless you!
You clearly haven't paid attention to 'the world' recently. Leftist mentality types have taken over, and for quite some time, most western institutions. Our governments have been infiltrated by corrupt radical Marxist types. Have you not seen what has and is happening in France and the UK? Which, btw, is about to happen to you in Canada too. 'the woke mob' is a mere pawn in this game.
As a CAF currently serving veteran, we are restrained and cant speak to many of these critically important issues, please do more to spread awareness on this topic Dr. Peterson. Thank you so much
The reality is Canada has been able to neglect the military for so long because the Americans will defend us. Yes we are part of NATO, but even if we weren't the US would still help us. That's not fair to the American taxpayers and the Canadian forces members.
Agreed man, I'm in the same boat. I've always treated everyone equally so it feels like collective punishment with all the bullshit courses we have to do these days. "If you can't convince them, confuse them. If you can't confuse them, distract them." It's all one big distraction while they screw over the values of the entire country.
The degradation our country has endured over these last 9 years is straight diabolical, I don’t recognize my own country.. It’s encouraging hearing from these perspectives- what is really happening with our military and by extension our nation. Thank you Dr. Peterson for giving a platform to the much needed voices! Much love from Alberta🏔️ 🇨🇦
I teach my students in Britain about the heroism and sacrifice of the Canadian troops in WW1/2. The outsized role your country played must be a real source of pride.
Honestly I havent heard it much talked about in my 44 years of life. More is made about the role Upper and Lower Canada had to play in the 1812 and the sack of Washington DC and the burning of the Whitehouse.
@@TyeDye75 Amazing! I wish more emphasis of Canada’s involvement in both world wars could be had in schools here. I don’t remember learning much myself in my high school days 10+ years ago. Now I know Canada to have played very significant roles and even described as “enthusiastically engaged in gruesome forms of intimate warfare”.. I’d like to believe that, if called upon, Canada would step up like in those times.
@@TyeDye75It remains a source of pride for some of us. People will go through the motions of wearing a poppy for Remembrance Day, but unfortunately much more attention and importance is relegated to utter nonsense like DEI and all of the tentacles of that lunacy.
As an American, I believe that you Canadians should be proud of your amazing country. stay strong, fight back, dont let your home get eroded into a husk by the ESG/DEI nonsense.
As a Canadian that's lived many decades in Canada. It seems like a different country from how it was 30 or 40 years ago. There's no sense of nationalism or Canadian Pride or patriotism towards Canada. Only older Canadians seem to understand the great loss of many of these qualities Canada had in the past. Now there seems to be no Canadian Identity or common set of values. There is a major lacking of cohesion in Canada, especially in the big cities. Unfortunately, I don't see Canada surviving more than another 50 years as a country, if we continue on this path.
Globalism my guy. Hopefully you guys start having pride in your great nation again, although, I do see many reasons to be optimistic in your nation, you guys are waking up pretty quickly
There is … where are you on Canada Day .. some of the most proud Canadians are the new ones .. there is lots to be proud of and of course always things to work on
@@johnsnow407 well that’s not what Canada has always been .. Ukrainian Canadians Polish Canadians Scottish Canadians , East Indian Canadians that’s how we built this great country ..
An indicator of patriotism in Canada is the state of the Armed Forces and how many people are willing to serve. That is an all-time low. Also from what I see these days in Canada people don't talk about being Canadian in hyphenated form for instance like Polish-Canadian now people just talk about where they're from and their culture as though they are still living in their old country and barely mention being Canadian.
I am from Europe and as a contract physician I've worked closely with many men in high stress careers (EMTs, policemen, special forces, surgeons). While there is a concerning level of off-duty alcohol consumption (which is somewhat unfortunately understandable) I was never a subject of nasty malicious actions as one of the few women in the group. If anything I felt more protected than in civillian life. And I'm talking about hundreds of men. Now looking at it from this perspective I am especially proud of my colleagues and the culture we had.
As a former member of The Australian Defence Force (2010-2020) who served in a combat Corp, I absolutely agree with the points regarding quality deterioration of personnel and lowering of standards. I was present throughout the "no female fail" policy where any female recruit was deemed a pass, regardless of standard achieved. We had one female who was physically unable to cock a machine gun, and required someone to cock the gun so they were able to fire and/or carry out reloads and stoppage drills. We were expected to turn a blind eye to this, and our wives and partners were expected to be ok with these people being responsible for the safety of the team overall. We went from the the top armoured unit in the Army to having abysmal standards. Males who were unable to achieve standards were immediately retrained, and if a subsequent fail occurred they were seperated from the organisation, where females were turned a blind eye to, and were given preferential treatment with postings, promotions, courses and deployments. Australians, like Canadians (who I worked with and hold in high regard) often punch above our weight, however the organisation is now is disarray, and it's being covered up by the very top. For rank and file soldiers however, it's blatantly obvious. Any speaking out about it leads to immediate disciplinary action. Thank you all for speaking out.
As a fellow Australian I know very well of how our military had covertly banned men from joining back around 2017 and how the physical standards are laughably low for women compared to men, but I never knew that the ADF even went as far as passing female recruits who failed at basic weapons handling that every soldier has to know. Thanks for giving me another thing to add to the long list of reasons why I hate our government and have nothing but contempt for our woke misandrist military.
@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 my brother tried to join and was deemed ineligible because of physical grounds because of an elbow surgery when he was 14. He can easily demolish the fitness standards, however I assure his it was a blessing in disguise. And yes, the soldier in question was physically incapable of cocking the M2 .50 calibre MG, even using 2 hands. I have many examples of underperforming and unsuitable females being propped up for the PR message. And before anyone calls me a bigot, I met plenty of shit guys too, just when they didn't meet the standard they were removed, as opposed to getting the bar lowered for them.
Middle aged female who joined the Canadian military in the late eighties. There was always a different standard of physical fitness requirements for men and women. Our basic training required the completion of a number of chin ups. In our platoon of almost 125 recruits with maybe ten of us females, not ONE of us females could do a chin up. We were put on remedial physical fitness training for the duration of our basic, in addition to the regular training, and at the end of ten weeks, only one female (who was about 5’ and 100lbs) could do ONE chin up. We all graduated and I received the award for top recruit. When told by the female recruit staff that I was receiving the award I was shocked. Several male recruits were obviously ripped and in amazing shape, as well as the academic portion of the training where even though I knew I was probably top female, but not a chance I was top recruit. When I questioned my instructor I was told to shut up and say nothing else. As a 21 year old who knew nothing, I obeyed the order. To this day the award means nothing to me. I would have gladly accepted top female recruit. The reality is I was NOT top recruit and I cheated a more deserving person of being recognized and rewarded for their hard work. The lunacy of the left is headed directly to destroying and debilitating society.
@@Coolpoolers Since the Canadian Army has different medical standards for every role I suppose it'll fine if non combat roles similarly had lower fitness standards than Infantry, but having different standards for men and women is just retarded.
Fantastic conversation & eye opening. As a Canadian, I had no idea how bad things have gotten with the military. Great panel!! I got tears in my eyes hearing the story of Canada sending a dolled up drag queen to Dieppe in 2022 & those poor WW2 vets. One of their final memories on this earth is of their service & sacrifice being reduced to a woke virtue signal. Literally a gut punch! Thanks a bunch Trudeau!
🎯🎯🎯🎯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Could not have said it better myself. It’s absolutely disgusting. Turns my stomach that these heroes were disrespected and dishonoured. Two faced hypocrites who manage to get a poppy on a few days before Remembrance Day, but spend MONTHS publicly celebrating who they have sex with or how they identify, is beyond enraging.
It's mind blowing that a lot of other resources aren't free. I think Dr. Peterson would rather help other individuals' growth rather than limit the communication just to consumers. It's also easy to hear and respect ones words when only gain that is sought from speaker is "growth". Also, there is nothing in this interview that should not be public knowledge, if anything it should probably be shown free more publically than it already has. This wasn't a target at your comment, rather an expansion of your thought. I can definitely understand the confusion that one might find in the non-capital gain with this content, most aren't as generous and kind. Obviously this interview consumed resources, time, and energy.
To be fair, Dr P has managed to generate revenue out of RUclips, books and speaking tours....and I don't begrudge him that at all. What is disappointing is that our media, especially Canada's state funded CBC, refuse to touch these vital topics at all. They will barely acknowledge Dr Peterson's existence as a world renowned public intellectual.
That’s truly said. This used to happen everyday on the internet in the early days. You would have all kinds of people in chat rooms and forums that spoke freely and 95% of things were positive. Look what it has become and look at your amazement when it’s not
This worked well, Dr Peterson interviewing three very articulate former senior members of the Canadian military. The issues the Canadian military face appear to echo those faced by our British armed forces too, where the army is now down to just 70, 000 soldiers. Another problem here is that some former soldiers are being prosecuted for actions they may have allegedly taken years or even decades before. Morale is said to be falling in the British military too. The British people have not forgotten all the Canadian servicemen who gave their lives in WW1 and WW2. I might not be here if it wasn't for the Canadian military surgeon who operated on my shrapnel-injured paternal grandfather in northern France in 1918.
I haven't been proud for a while now, of being Canadian. I feel so utterly overwhelmed, and hopeless at times, about the power of DEI/woke mind virus. To watch all of our systems and institutions bow down to the woke cult, for fear of appearing non-progressive, as bigots, and to cover their asses, has been demoralizing. Watching this, of course, with JP at the helm, I feel proud to be Canadian. These 4 Canadians are the kind of people I have deep respect for. They remind me that many, many Canadians are not on board and see through the woke agenda. This made my WEEK! Jordan- you are special, and you are brilliant. I also learned a lot here about the Canadian military! Thanks so very much.
I can't believe we're so stupid now there are millions of people who support making the military more equitable and inclusive when for thousands of years it has been nothing but meritocratic for obvious reasons a child can understand. Are we devolving?
Great discussion. Thanks for doing this. I served in Admiral Mark Norman's orbit - not with him, but certainly close to him when he was the Vice Chief. He's an outstanding officer, and a great Canadian. I'd follow him anywhere, anytime.
Thank you to your guests for their service in the CF. I absolutely loved this conversation. Thank you so much for all the work you’ve been doing Dr. Peterson ♥️ I very much appreciate that you haven’t forgotten about your fellow countrymen
The divisive nature of the federal government towards its citizens in a declared "Post National" state. Declining pride in being canadian is also an issue to recruitment.
Although both political parties are responsible for the degradation of the military, the one in power now scares me the most by far. What I see happening to my country economically, culturally and militarily makes me think that the PM is carrying out a plan of action dictated to him by at least one of our adversaries. Its as if the PM is intentionally degrading the country at the behest of our adversaries. The PM shares the political ideology of our chief adversary as did his father who was a known communist in the far left hotbed of Montreal in the 50's. The west may have won the Cold War militarily and economically but the radical left ideology of the eastern block countries and now China continues its Long March through our institutions. Did we really win?
It's coming from the inside. No insidious outside influences needed. Our PM has 635 nations within Canada who are quite happy to see our military in complete disarray.
Maybe it’s the American in me, but when I heard “They’d rather talk to a Canadian” I literally yelled “It’s because they think you’re weak and ineffectual!” Perhaps I’m simplistic, but having been to the Middle East I never once thought they respected anything but strength.
Well yes, they only respect your capacity of bashing their tribes back to dust. How ever for serving along side my brothers from the south in Afghanistan or Asia, your comment is exactly why they’ll rather speak too a Canadian in general. You guys are a proud bunch (keep it that way) but for relation with other countries ouff😅
@@jaca688I make this statement as a civilian (albeit closely associated) who’s lived for extended periods of time there, not a member of the military. America was always charged with far more trying tasks, whereas Canada played support. Clearly a country coming under fire more (American troops were put in more action ) is going to have a harsher, less “diplomatic” ideal and view. I would double down and say that’s because they have a more accurate view. The Americans are the “bad cops” and Canada gets to the play the “good cops.” They do not respect Canadians, as they only respect strength.
@@mtb416 well being the biggest fish in the pound makes you a target 🎯 they literally didn’t care to kill any other countries soldier, my covey was spare for for the American big flashy armour truck with a fat USA flag on the pole 2 vehicles down the road.
@@jaca688 Pretty easy to be when every other NATO country knows America will watch out for their interests. They’re purposeful cowards and weak spenders on defense. That is an indictment on those countries and a compliment to America’s altruism.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, I loved the pic of you at Vancouver Island with your brother Charles. I thought you looked less heavy-hearted than I’ve seen you look in a long time and it made me so happy. Soak in time with your family. Here’s a hug. With Ruth Anne’s love
As a 60 year old Canadian, I never thought I would leave Canada but I’m trying to find a way out of this insanely tyrannical woke country. If I had the money, I would already be gone. Why would anyone stay,things are going to get even worse.
I feel the very same way. I’m demoralized by what has happened under the crime minister in the last several years. It’s been a planned and purposeful destruction. What’s worse is the people who parrot the propaganda and lunacy, disparaging those of us who aren’t easily programmed, and are resolute in their unwillingness to even consider they’re being manipulated. When your own family would report you for not complying with the tyrannical government policies of COVID, what you have thought and believed about your loved ones your whole life , is no more.
Good point. I have thought the same things ... But Australia and the UK are are rapidly deteriorating under the woke madness. So where on Earth does sanity and common sense still prevail??
@@paulnickson8734it’s hard to tell because our media is bought and paid for, and we are not being told anything true. It’s part of the demoralization process we’ve been subjected to for quite some time.
Australian here. I have a great love for Canada, but here’s some anecdotal feedback for the Canadian Army. I worked with a former Afghan ISAF interpreter back in 2011. He’d been given asylum in Australia after working as an interpreter with American Army, British Royal Marines, Dutch Army, Australian Army and Canadian Army units. His opinion was the British Royal Marines were the best equipped and most professional of the units he worked with. He said the Americans were generous, the Australians were very careful and he didn’t mention the Dutch. Of the Canadian unit he worked with, he said he resigned because he found them to be gung ho reckless cowboys that took unnecessary risks that put him and their personnel in unnecessary danger. I was genuinely surprised to hear that, but that was his position. If it’s any indication of the genuine state of the CF, we have to ask what happened between 1945 and 2005 that they went from world admiration for the quality of their forces to today. It saddens me tbh.
Having served in the CAF 76-09 and watching the decline due to political agendas, this is one of the most encouraging interviews I have seen. These three retirees are well spoken and very knowledgeable about the needs of the Canadian military and the problems it has to overcome. I still feel depressed about the current state of the service due to the current policies forced by the government but hopefully it can be changed. Our future would be much brighter if all the leaders were like these three fine veterans!!
I joined the Canadian military in the late eighties and entered an occupational trade that traditionally was known for “enthusiastic imbibing”. On what was considered then to be an isolated posting, (pre internet and video games) our social lives consisted of beer calls and parties. Most sporting events and festivals also featured copious amounts of alcohol, resulting in drunken debauchery. Still in the same location some thirty years later, and still working in the same trade as a civilian, it is quite evident the young military members prefer less social activities as the three messes are often vacant on the weekends. Festivals that use to last a week with parades, activities and ending with a live band dance, have been whittled down to a barely noticeable day. The young members I have worked with for the last sixteen years, leave work and go home to smoke pot and play video games. Most are not married or have children. I suspect there aren’t as many instances of sexual misconduct with profoundly less socializing and alcohol abuse.
Thank you for your unwavering dedication to our country. At 29 years old, I deeply wish I could contribute more to serving our beloved nation, despite its current challenges. If informed when I was younger to the opportunities the CAF provided I would have signed up on the spot. I never saw much recruitment in small town Saskatchewan. Everyone participating in this discussion exhibits remarkable potential to lead Canada towards a brighter future. I hope you all continue your commitment and service by engaging with the government in some capacity, helping steer our country towards the prosperity we deserve.
Dr Peterson. Can you please let Enoch Burke come on your show. He was the Irish teacher who has suspended by his Head Teacher because he refused to call a student “they”. The School obtained a court injunction preventing him from coming in to teach the students (who wanted him there). He continued to come in to teach in breach of the court order, he was arrested & then jailed.
These are some brilliant leaders. Norman ran into problems during his time, a government with no moral compass and politicians that "act" like leaders rather than are leaders. Norman was widely respected and faced the wrath of the political types given he was focused on a functional Navy and the best interests of Canada rather than returning political favours. He went through a sham trial. It was a failed attempt to persecute rather than prosecute. Sort of reflects a lot of other failed court cases. It was Norman's lawyer that captured what was happening. Following on the recent departure from government of Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, Marie Henein noted that "Fortunately Vice-Admiral Norman didn’t fire the females he hired.” That was just the opener, “There are times you agree with what happens in a court room there are times you don’t. And that’s fine. But what you don’t do is you don’t put your finger and try to weigh in on the scales of justice. That is not what should be happening.” A rather brilliant lawyer was sending Canadians a pretty clear message.
Around 27:00 minutes: Jordan was spot on! He identified the CCP as a foe. 👍 Before anyone cries racist, I am a Canadian who is ethnically Chinese. Besides, CCP is political. Not racial.
When an individual's feeling of identity is considered more important than that of the unit and the team you are going to create dysfunction not a sense of belong and unity. Congratulations.
Even though I partially agree with you, the sense of unity must have originally cohered around some set of values in order to establish unity in the first place, because there is no stable unity without a compromise of personal values for overarching & unifying ones. But this compromise happens because someone's set of established principles/values were found to be a more coherent framework for the healthily regulated function of some team. However, this framework of governing values doesn't spontaneously arise from the bickering of individuals between each other over differences in judgement or perspective, because these differences are eternally irreconcilable given similarly irreconcilable differences in values and world view between said bickering individuals. Instead, this unifying "centre" comes rather from some individual slowly implementing their own values/principles into a system, which they enact successfully because their internal framework of governing values, rules and principles are more coherent and intelligent, more effective, than any other individual's (i.e., the rules/principles which come to dominate the system actually work, and actually solve practical problems). The unity established by frameworks of governance, legislation, rules, processes, procedures and values arise from an individual, not from some process external to the individual. It can't be otherwise, because external frameworks have no adaptive power or moral authority (they hold little sway over people's behaviour and at best change it but do not transform it). And, as mentioned above, democratic processes of "bickering" don't establish coherence or synthesis towards Truth. The individual alone synthesises these Truths. And the individual becomes the source of coherence around which unity forms. Engage in any open or democratic forum in which there is neither top-down reconciliation or bottom-up emergence of intelligence solving group problems, facilitating compromises, and establishing a coherent scheme of values and principles which are self-consistent and effective enough to provide stability and order to others- you will find a dysfunctional carousel of arguments and unresolved problems around which nothing resolves or changes, nothing grows, and problems fester or metastasise. This is because it is the individual alone who can be the source of unity.
@@117Industries I really had to think about this, it is an interesting chicken or egg type of point that you raise. I would simply say the values, principles and expectations of the armed forces are not isolated - they are a reflection of those of the broader society and, in particular, reflected in the actions of the government the armed forces serves. If you see turmoil in the broader society around the shared or common set of values and beliefs it is understandable this could make its way into institutions, such as the armed forces. The shift can create disruptions, but these disruptions are actually felt across the broader culture. The thesis being presented here in this video appears to be the perception that there are emerging ideas that go to the core of a meritocracy and the notion that aspects of individual merit, intelligence and seeking excellence are being replaced by new systems and structures built in large part on equity, diversity and inclusion. These are pretty central ideas which shape value. The question becomes are you creating a greater sense of belonging and strengthening cohesion in the armed forces when you, as a soldier, are told to reject heteronormativity given this is what is required in the broader cultural context? Reject heteronormativity and take pride by not just tolerating and celebrating difference, but encouraging participation in the broader societies anti-heteronormativity beliefs as well as anti-racism, etc. The values and underlying beliefs in culture are not fixed. You can see the shifts reflected through history and sometimes this involves codifying groups in legislation and rebalancing justice to provide additional protection to achieve more fairness. The challenge is a military is typically constructed around self-disciplined professionals that are accepting of personal sacrifice and a shared belief in a unity of purpose (Note: we can debate these given many would argue it is as simple as character, competence and purpose). Bottomline is answering the call of service to defend the values and the will of government is the role. Strength of the armed forces comes from the self-disciplined professionals working as a team toward a common goal. My sense is what you might be seeing in this discussion is the divergence in values and beliefs in the broader society. On one hand the belief that diversity is a strength may not play out as such when the values among groups come in conflict, especially if they are difficult to reconcile. That said, we are pretty good in Canada at finding accommodations based on individual beliefs and especially when they are of a religious nature. Some might suggest we are no longer seeking accommodations. The challenge for a military is elevating Individual expression and personal identify. The military organization will struggle to function based around the desires of the individual when professional identify is sacrificed for il-conceived expressions of personal interest and desire. Elevating the individual without justifiable foundation has the potential to undermine not only good order and discipline, it undermines team cohesion and the sense of belonging. This is especially the case if the desires of the individual are perceived to disrespect those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. As discussed here some of these very foundational issues for the cultural shift are in debate, or so it seems. I will give you one example: the belief that children can change sex might be one of those cultural issues influencing values that is up for debate. Its not something a parent would want to tolerate let alone celebrate or hope to participate if they appreciate doing so for their child at a young age lines them up for a life of disfunction.
It's going to get way worse in the future. The death cult isn't finished in it's pursuit to destroy society in the name of power, pleasure and pride. Get ready, there's a storm coming
The only threat to Canada is internal. The Canadian man who shed blood in the defense of freedom at Vimy Ridge, on Juno Beach, or the Battle of Kap'yong is history few know of and understand. Instead of victory there is only apathy and resignation to the rest of the world's interests. In life you must lead, follow, or get out of the way, and too many Canadians have chosen or been forced to get out of the way. Weak men create hard times.
I’m not going to pretend that alcohol doesn’t bring some negative aspects, but the majority of alcohol related incidents did not happen while underway on ships. We had the regulations in place to enforce any alcohol related issues, and it’s the senior leadership that Mr.Norman mentioned that failed the RCN by not enforcing those regulations.
Hi Jordan, I enjoy your podcasts and this one was one of the best ones in regards to Canada. I was impressed by their criticism of the state of our Canadian military as this weighs heavily on me also, it was a little sad that they seemed so grateful to be able to find someone with a wide audience to be able to lay it out for us and the issues we face as a nation. I hope you can do more podcasts on our military and the situation we're in in the future. Respect from Alberta!
The 14,000 Canadian fighting men who led the charge on Juno Beach in 1944 are long dead but more importantly the courage, reputation and determination they displayed as a nation has been lost forever by the current Canadian administration. They have denigrated the spirt of liberty and justice those men died for to a microcosm of some global agenda they are subjecting its current citizens too. Soon they will have no discernible country, identity or culture.
At 36 and after an 8 year nursing career, two failed re-attempts at school (financial) and a whole lot of gigging. the CAF is offering me an officer position after almost a year long recruiting process. I thought nursing was the hill I was gonna die on, but that system is crippling for anyone with a conscience and awareness. I would not dissuade any millennial men, who do not fit into the civilian rat-race, to visit a recruitment center. Not all positions are combat positions.
Too many white men. They need not apply. Check out the Toronto Star March 23, 2022. Note: the Star has softened their original article (a lot) but the headline says it all.
@@markrussell3428 I've been back and forth to recruiting since last Oct and it's not as bad as you'd think; not as bad as I thought. Fairly large men as recruiters representing the three elements. At least half the dudes in there were white or white passing. (edit new) Slowly but surely, and at the end of the day, the CAF knows it needs capable, strong soldiers, and more of them to fulfill it's obligations to allies.
@@Burdflu Its good you have come away with a positive experience. I gave you the headline from the Toronto Star. Use your own experience to reflect if its accurate. It was a story that came out at the same time as the UK was in a recruiting meltdown. Their head of recruiting quit, rather than follow an unjust order. She was proven correct.
I served a decade as a medic in the CAF. I’ll give you some advice…get a photocopy of your medical records yearly. More importantly do not get hurt. Think you had it rough in the civilian world? Wait until you burn out in the forces, have an injury and/or have a miserable psychopathic superior purposely try to drive you insane for no other reason than because they get off on it.
I find it ridiculously ironic that 'we' thought that there wouldn't be a state on state conflict anymore. And folks called me the crazy person 20 years ago..
...what an excellent podcast. This is exactly what our government should advocate for the younger generation(s). We need to get this country back in focus and on the rails if it will matter in this ever-changing world. As most of us say nowadays, those of us on the back nine, "if I could only turn back time and do things differently and correctly."😉👍👍
By all appearances the younger generation, IF they’re motivated enough to enroll, that motivation pretty much stops when their foot is in the door. Lowest physical fitness standards. Lowest dress and deportment standards. No active and accountable leadership. A joke.
It's impossible for the Canadian population to defend our huge country with the small population we have. We need to have a small but strong military that does not rely on the US or any other country. The liberals just want to have a few troops stand with others in the NATO parade square but does not want to put money into them being actually effective. The Canadian troops assigned to Latvia are constantly in need of support from other countries just to get by. If a war ever broke out against NATO, every country will see that it's own troops are well supplied. Canadian troops will be standing there wondering were their armoured vests and MANPADS are.
The propaganda run during the Bush era ran rough shot through public perception of the military in general. I was a teen during all that, so recruiting from millennials and up is gonna be a bit rough. Hopefull CAF PR gets stronger over the next few years.
@@Burdflu I think there has to be a complete over haul of the CAF staffing. You have the regular force and then you have a temporary force. How about a 19 year old going thru 9 months of training and then 18 months of deployment. After they are released they are provided an education fund and first choice to schools. For 10 years after education they are held in reserve.
@@johnfischer8230 I tend to agree with you here. With a lot of the rites of passage being gone, and a number of directionless youths, the CAF could stand to have more bridging programs between highschool and into college age. I hear that the naval experience program has seen some positive results for the RCN. The desire to build back up is there, but the trick seems to be convincing Ottawa that it's a worthwhile endeavour. International partners are noticing and starting to apply pressure.
That interview was awesome! If I wasn't so old I would be signing up. I'm a patriot of this country! And can't believe what's happening to us? But our biggest threat is the geologist elites and their agenda!
Absolutely outstanding discussion with thoughtful and knowledgable participants. Very specific but very relevant to this country and it's citizens. Dr. Peterson, you are a gift to this nation and to the world at large. And whoever determines who you wind up talking to has my lifelong respect. Thank you and please keep up the fight.
Dr. Peterson, as an Air Force veteran, thank you for this very interesting and thought provoking interview. If you would, PLEASE consider conducting a similar interview with retired, US military leadership. The same DEI and gender concerns are rife across all branches of the United States military.
My husband and I both started the journey to join before kids. I’d be proud to serve and/or have my husband and sons serve in the military but not under its current condition. Great discussion. Thanks for having it.
Like a few other commentators, I'm ex-CAF, having served from the late 70's to the early 90's, including a tour in Germany (I was there when the Berlin Wall fell) back when NATO was a strictly defensive organisation. For people from my serving generation, this conversation will be strangely familiar; the topics and issues were/are the same (outdated equipment, manpower issues, social concerns taking precedent over meritocracy, lack of support from politicians etc), and have been for at least 2-3 generations, going back to the Unification of the Services in 1968. Unfortunately, these types of exchanges (as much as I would agree) are echo chambers of a dying world. Having left the Service and Canada back in the early 90's, I've had the opportunity to watch Canada develop socially from outside, and in my view from afar, todays CAF reflects the country as it now is, not as it's wished to be by the panellists. DEI issues, individuality ruling over collectiveness, males allowed to wear skirts, orange hair; these are just reflections of todays Canadian society. There may be some contrarian views about that, but with time, these will be eventually swept away, to be replaced by a military elite that has known no other methods, and will propagate what they have been taught. If the Canadian Government has learned anything in the past 25 years, it is that hierarchical organisations such as CAF are perfectly suited to forced social engineering. Actual warfighting capability is of no real interest to the current government. What's left of the RCN and RCAF are good examples of this; from my remaining contacts, the Canadian Army seems to be just hanging on by a thread. IMHO, the real danger to the Canadian military, and paradoxically its most important partner, is the United States. The days of stand alone Canadian taskings such as UN Peacekeeping in Cyprus or Syria are over. Those types of duty are now carried out by Global South countries using the UN payments as social transfers. Canadian Forces, always used as the force multiplier, have now been freed up to fight along side their collective west partners (masquerading as NATO) in future wars that will be created to support "our western values" against "evil dictators" who dare to challenge US hegemony. There's one going on right now in eastern Europe. And Canada will be expected/pressured to contribute. Fighting against near-peer rivals, it could get extremely ugly for serving Canadians, very quickly, and the greater Canadian society is not ready for that.
Well said. When we deployed to Afghanistan we still had a hangover of cold war discipline. We would come in from a patrol to the old sgt-maj jacking us up for not shaving properly that morning (because we were patrolling). The forces evolved to allow soldiers to grow beards because the Afghans took men seriously, and viewed clean shaven men as boys. Where I’m going with this is that when a crisis arises we will be forced to adapt to it or perish. This DEI and orange hair nonsense will pass. I just hope people don’t die in the meantime because of it, but it’s most likely inevitable.
I would agree with your point; whether you have green or orange hair doesn't matter much when you're closing with the enemy, as long as the section functions as a team, everyone knows their assigned tasks and the job gets done with the minimum amount of casualties. In a sense, if the crap really hits the fan, my hope would be that any DEI promotions ending up in critical leadership positions would be quickly identified and/or replaced by the best people suited to get the job done. My overriding worry is: how many people would need to die or units destroyed before that happens? My CAF experience is now dated, but at 1 CAG in Germany, we just didn't have the personnel or resources available to be wasted while unqualified leadership climbed some steep learning curve; it was imperative that the right people were in the right jobs ready for the day the flag went up, or we would have just been wiped out. That's what the leadership selection and training systems were supposed to be about. As a training CWO used to say in Borden to all the new aircraft technical students: "we're not here to train you for Air Canada, we're here to train you for war"; I'm wondering if that is still being barked out to new arrivals these days.
As a Canadian 35 yr vetran this panel was very appreciated. These retire officiers are correct and truthful with their comments. The current government has utterly devastated the CAF and the Canadian main steam media has support there far left BS in painting the CAF in a negative light. Thank for this Dr. Peterson.
"I'm not your friend Canada!!" "I'm not your Canada guy!!!" "I'm not your guy friend!!" "I'm not your friend buddy" "I'm not your buddy pal!!!!!" "Heeeessss nooootttt your pal guy" ..........And so on and so forth😂
I’m a reg force infantryman from 3VP and I wrote a email to Jordan Peterson personally to ask for this exact discussion with any ret’d high ranking officer from the CAF. So, I don’t mean to brag guys, buuuuut I think this was me👍🏆
Sure this is not the topic obviously, but man, what an attractive woman Barbara is. And I don't mean it sexually, just the overall impression she's giving as a woman... wow. Apt, coherent, sensible, logical while staying feminine at the same time. A professional, well accomplished, but without a trace of "bossy" or "strong and independent". Young guys, look, you want a girl who becomes a woman like that when she ages with you. A level-headed, intelligent classy woman. A woman that doesn't make life dumber and darker but smarter and brighter instead.
I'm originally from Cuba and for Cubans it's a daily habit, a beer and a relaxing factor in friendship, person, doctors, professor, very intelligent people, I'm not an alcoholic 👍
This was a terrific discussion. I'm a 36 year veteran of the Forces. But... at the very end of the discussion, I would have said as my advice to Canadians (especially young ones): "don't join the Forces, because you will be under-appreciated, under-paid, and under-equipped and the country doesn't care about you". That's the reality of today. If Canada doesn't care about its defence then why should someone like me try to encourage people to join. Let the chips lay where they fall: you get the defence that you pay for and care about to have. Unfortunately it will take another horrific war and the loss of many unprepared Canadian lives to wake us up. (Go Google Canada's preparedness for WW1, WW2, the Korean War, and the War on Terrorism.)
Two retired 3 stars (Mark was VAdm and Michel was LGen) who have a tremendous breadth of competence insight, experience and who are able to say what they think.
Petersons guests are just stellar upon stellar. Brilliant and inspiring people. This conversation makes me want to quit university and join my countries military academy.
It would have been nice if Mr Peterson had a Senior NCO in the Panel rather than just Senior Officers.
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My son attended a workshop yesterday with an Army recruiter. He said that if you apply today, you will start training in up to two years. It is not surprising that they need help recruiting people.
You need real warriors not unicorns and rainbows... i was a canadian army cadets in the past and it was based on merit and talents now its a different story. bring back the soul of our armed forces back!
No offence to the present company who served, however, they don’t speak/sound for even an instant as front line armed forces personnel. They sound just like staff officers, DND ‘management’ lifers and POLITICIANS. Not naive, staff officers are politicians today out of necessity. That said, countries such as ours require a Patton etc. not Trudeau’s, Jags or their minions.
Excellent topics and excellent guest speakers, that really know the military and the life - As a Canadian I fully support our military and have no issue to pay more taxes to get us back to our proud traditions of service to Country and the World. We just need to get rid of the Liberalism ( Trudeau Liberals) from procurement & recruitment and let the military be run by real leaders like these guests.
Canadian "recruiting" (Victoria) they dont even call you back or make even 5 percent of an effort. Confusing since i thought we needed people and some of us are able and respond.
Enlightening discussion that reaches beyond the military. Focusing on the individual, rather than the team/community problematic on many levels. Thank you for giving these well spoken people a platform.
What a superb in depth discussion / analysis on Western, not just Canadian, military problems. The only uniform supported by the current Canadian Government is the complicit RCMP ! I served in the Royal Navy for 40 years, joining as an Engineering Artificer Apprentice, eventually serving in diesel electrical submarines; I left as a WO1. In the late 90’s I met and worked with in excess of 440 Canadian submarine personnel of all ranks, rates and Services, they were a great cohort of good humoured, professional men and very rewarding to work with. There were no female personnel at that time, but it was in discussion. On a lighter military humour,non PC, note ; did Stevie Wonder fit that window air conditioner ?
Excellent content, Thankyou Dr. Peterson. Thank goodness we still have amazing persons like yourself who can represent our country well and remind the world that a lit of Canadian still ARE as the reputation that precedes us.
There’s still drinking, but after your done work. The ships allow booze when in port but not during an actual operation (this prevents death and fatal decisions) I did 25 years in the infantry and can confirm that booze crests shi&y leaders, I don’t mind a beer, but when you are in an employment field that deals with life or death decision making, this is why alcohol needs to be monitored.
The people that comprise the Western portion of the system are not interchangeable and if we're not talking about them and their replacement at this point we're really talking about nothing 🤦🏻♂️
Catherine Christensen would be a great guest to talk about issues in the CAF. She is the lawyer taking on the CAF for abuse of authority, vaccine injury, contaminated drinking water. She speaks on behalf of hundreds of troops, mostly veterans but also many actively serving. The military are not guinea pigs and photo backdrops but that seems to be the way they’re being used.
This was an excellent conversation. I would have liked you all to address the other more recent (last 4 years) disincentive to joining the military which isn't DEI, namely the risks and likelihood of compulsory enrolement in a pharmacological experiment. Many servicemen left or were fired over this point of principle, and many who would have joined are now sufficiently pharmacologically literate 😉 to choose another career path...
Must be why liberal college students support terrorist organizations that hate America and the West and why they want prisons to be emptied and the border to be unprotected. The literal aim of the woke movement is to destroy Western civilization. And, I agree, of course our rivals are funding the useful idiots
I Think that's What Everyone on This side of It is Thinking. I think it's too late or it would not have gotten this far. It's the appearance that it's coming from the inside but imo, it's happened. We are in the transition phase.
That was brilliant, thank-you all! I recall a comment from a US High School grad (viewer stay w/ me, this *does* become relevant). He was considering the US military as a career, but quickly dropped the option after the gross mishandling of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan unde the current adminstr'n (and it wasn't due to fear of mortality). Quote was (close to), "I can't join w/ a permanent fear that, when my body is repatrioted due to political incompetence, that the Pres. will attend *my* repatr'n ceremony at the airport while impatiently glancing at his watch. Like he's going to miss his tee-off time at the golf course." At your next round table ()Dr. Peterson?) Id like to see the question of recruitment difficulty related to lack of confidence in the political side.
1:30:36 "depends on the uniform i might say" - this was such a gem of a reply! It almost went unnoticed, but oh so cleverly put. Dr Peterson has a good sense of humor 😆 All in all, this was such a great conversation. Thank you for setting it up!
Dr Peterson makes a really interesting point that military personnel have personality traits high in conscientiousness. Any effort to end discrimination will not be recieved well if they are replaced with different forms of discrimination. Shifting from a focus on individual merit, excellence and intelligence in favor of abstract concepts could be problematic and explain why retention is as much the problem as recruiting.
As a CAF Veteran, thank you, Dr. Peterson for hosting this excellent discussion. It's long overdue.
Thank you
The same from me as well...
And certainly from me as wel. A heartfelt thank you.
Same boat as your, long overdue and every canadian should listen
As a USN retiree..both enlisted then an officer...thus was a great talk!
Dr. Peterson, I credit you with being one of the first, and certainly most influential people to stand up against the woke mob. If it weren't for your actions in doing so, the world would be a much different place. God bless you!
Because he knows that America is being demoralized. It was a 30 year plan and it's almost complete. Can't say who on RUclips 🤫
You clearly haven't paid attention to 'the world' recently. Leftist mentality types have taken over, and for quite some time, most western institutions. Our governments have been infiltrated by corrupt radical Marxist types. Have you not seen what has and is happening in France and the UK? Which, btw, is about to happen to you in Canada too. 'the woke mob' is a mere pawn in this game.
Well said
He’s almost single handedly making the earth move. Tireless , fierce fortitude. Almost Christ-like. The Saviour
@@big_red_machine3547 absolutely disgusting you referred to him as Christ-Like, I urge you to show respect to Christians.
As a CAF currently serving veteran, we are restrained and cant speak to many of these critically important issues, please do more to spread awareness on this topic Dr. Peterson. Thank you so much
The reality is Canada has been able to neglect the military for so long because the Americans will defend us. Yes we are part of NATO, but even if we weren't the US would still help us. That's not fair to the American taxpayers and the Canadian forces members.
Agreed man, I'm in the same boat. I've always treated everyone equally so it feels like collective punishment with all the bullshit courses we have to do these days. "If you can't convince them, confuse them. If you can't confuse them, distract them." It's all one big distraction while they screw over the values of the entire country.
The degradation our country has endured over these last 9 years is straight diabolical, I don’t recognize my own country.. It’s encouraging hearing from these perspectives- what is really happening with our military and by extension our nation. Thank you Dr. Peterson for giving a platform to the much needed voices! Much love from Alberta🏔️ 🇨🇦
It's gotten so bad I automatically assume anyone with dyed hair and a nose piercing is someone I shouldn't invite into my personal life lol
I teach my students in Britain about the heroism and sacrifice of the Canadian troops in WW1/2. The outsized role your country played must be a real source of pride.
Honestly I havent heard it much talked about in my 44 years of life. More is made about the role Upper and Lower Canada had to play in the 1812 and the sack of Washington DC and the burning of the Whitehouse.
@@TyeDye75 Amazing! I wish more emphasis of Canada’s involvement in both world wars could be had in schools here. I don’t remember learning much myself in my high school days 10+ years ago. Now I know Canada to have played very significant roles and even described as “enthusiastically engaged in gruesome forms of intimate warfare”.. I’d like to believe that, if called upon, Canada would step up like in those times.
@@TyeDye75It remains a source of pride for some of us. People will go through the motions of wearing a poppy for Remembrance Day, but unfortunately much more attention and importance is relegated to utter nonsense like DEI and all of the tentacles of that lunacy.
As an American, I believe that you Canadians should be proud of your amazing country. stay strong, fight back, dont let your home get eroded into a husk by the ESG/DEI nonsense.
Need more for this attitude 💪🏼❤️
They are going to have to fight for their liberties.
As a Canadian that's lived many decades in Canada. It seems like a different country from how it was 30 or 40 years ago. There's no sense of nationalism or Canadian Pride or patriotism towards Canada. Only older Canadians seem to understand the great loss of many of these qualities Canada had in the past. Now there seems to be no Canadian Identity or common set of values. There is a major lacking of cohesion in Canada, especially in the big cities. Unfortunately, I don't see Canada surviving more than another 50 years as a country, if we continue on this path.
Globalism my guy. Hopefully you guys start having pride in your great nation again, although, I do see many reasons to be optimistic in your nation, you guys are waking up pretty quickly
There is … where are you on Canada Day .. some of the most proud Canadians are the new ones .. there is lots to be proud of and of course always things to work on
What we have is a multi-ethnic country, but what we need is monoculturalism not multiculturalism. No more hyphenated Canadians.
@@johnsnow407 well that’s not what Canada has always been .. Ukrainian Canadians Polish Canadians Scottish Canadians , East Indian Canadians that’s how we built this great country ..
An indicator of patriotism in Canada is the state of the Armed Forces and how many people are willing to serve. That is an all-time low. Also from what I see these days in Canada people don't talk about being Canadian in hyphenated form for instance like Polish-Canadian now people just talk about where they're from and their culture as though they are still living in their old country and barely mention being Canadian.
I am from Europe and as a contract physician I've worked closely with many men in high stress careers (EMTs, policemen, special forces, surgeons). While there is a concerning level of off-duty alcohol consumption (which is somewhat unfortunately understandable) I was never a subject of nasty malicious actions as one of the few women in the group. If anything I felt more protected than in civillian life. And I'm talking about hundreds of men. Now looking at it from this perspective I am especially proud of my colleagues and the culture we had.
As a former member of The Australian Defence Force (2010-2020) who served in a combat Corp, I absolutely agree with the points regarding quality deterioration of personnel and lowering of standards.
I was present throughout the "no female fail" policy where any female recruit was deemed a pass, regardless of standard achieved.
We had one female who was physically unable to cock a machine gun, and required someone to cock the gun so they were able to fire and/or carry out reloads and stoppage drills.
We were expected to turn a blind eye to this, and our wives and partners were expected to be ok with these people being responsible for the safety of the team overall.
We went from the the top armoured unit in the Army to having abysmal standards.
Males who were unable to achieve standards were immediately retrained, and if a subsequent fail occurred they were seperated from the organisation, where females were turned a blind eye to, and were given preferential treatment with postings, promotions, courses and deployments.
Australians, like Canadians (who I worked with and hold in high regard) often punch above our weight, however the organisation is now is disarray, and it's being covered up by the very top. For rank and file soldiers however, it's blatantly obvious. Any speaking out about it leads to immediate disciplinary action.
Thank you all for speaking out.
As a fellow Australian I know very well of how our military had covertly banned men from joining back around 2017 and how the physical standards are laughably low for women compared to men, but I never knew that the ADF even went as far as passing female recruits who failed at basic weapons handling that every soldier has to know. Thanks for giving me another thing to add to the long list of reasons why I hate our government and have nothing but contempt for our woke misandrist military.
@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 my brother tried to join and was deemed ineligible because of physical grounds because of an elbow surgery when he was 14.
He can easily demolish the fitness standards, however I assure his it was a blessing in disguise.
And yes, the soldier in question was physically incapable of cocking the M2 .50 calibre MG, even using 2 hands.
I have many examples of underperforming and unsuitable females being propped up for the PR message. And before anyone calls me a bigot, I met plenty of shit guys too, just when they didn't meet the standard they were removed, as opposed to getting the bar lowered for them.
Middle aged female who joined the Canadian military in the late eighties. There was always a different standard of physical fitness requirements for men and women. Our basic training required the completion of a number of chin ups. In our platoon of almost 125 recruits with maybe ten of us females, not ONE of us females could do a chin up. We were put on remedial physical fitness training for the duration of our basic, in addition to the regular training, and at the end of ten weeks, only one female (who was about 5’ and 100lbs) could do ONE chin up. We all graduated and I received the award for top recruit. When told by the female recruit staff that I was receiving the award I was shocked. Several male recruits were obviously ripped and in amazing shape, as well as the academic portion of the training where even though I knew I was probably top female, but not a chance I was top recruit. When I questioned my instructor I was told to shut up and say nothing else. As a 21 year old who knew nothing, I obeyed the order. To this day the award means nothing to me. I would have gladly accepted top female recruit. The reality is I was NOT top recruit and I cheated a more deserving person of being recognized and rewarded for their hard work. The lunacy of the left is headed directly to destroying and debilitating society.
@@Coolpoolers Wow. Thanks for speaking out so candidly, Madam.
@@Coolpoolers Since the Canadian Army has different medical standards for every role I suppose it'll fine if non combat roles similarly had lower fitness standards than Infantry, but having different standards for men and women is just retarded.
Fantastic conversation & eye opening. As a Canadian, I had no idea how bad things have gotten with the military. Great panel!! I got tears in my eyes hearing the story of Canada sending a dolled up drag queen to Dieppe in 2022 & those poor WW2 vets. One of their final memories on this earth is of their service & sacrifice being reduced to a woke virtue signal. Literally a gut punch! Thanks a bunch Trudeau!
🎯🎯🎯🎯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Could not have said it better myself. It’s absolutely disgusting. Turns my stomach that these heroes were disrespected and dishonoured. Two faced hypocrites who manage to get a poppy on a few days before Remembrance Day, but spend MONTHS publicly celebrating who they have sex with or how they identify, is beyond enraging.
It’s still mind blowing to me that these conversations are available for free.
It's mind blowing that a lot of other resources aren't free.
I think Dr. Peterson would rather help other individuals' growth rather than limit the communication just to consumers. It's also easy to hear and respect ones words when only gain that is sought from speaker is "growth".
Also, there is nothing in this interview that should not be public knowledge, if anything it should probably be shown free more publically than it already has.
This wasn't a target at your comment, rather an expansion of your thought. I can definitely understand the confusion that one might find in the non-capital gain with this content, most aren't as generous and kind. Obviously this interview consumed resources, time, and energy.
Yea and put it on your tab. You sound like you were the teachers pet in elementary school
@@povertime6381 did you pay for the ads?
To be fair, Dr P has managed to generate revenue out of RUclips, books and speaking tours....and I don't begrudge him that at all.
What is disappointing is that our media, especially Canada's state funded CBC, refuse to touch these vital topics at all. They will barely acknowledge Dr Peterson's existence as a world renowned public intellectual.
That’s truly said. This used to happen everyday on the internet in the early days. You would have all kinds of people in chat rooms and forums that spoke freely and 95% of things were positive. Look what it has become and look at your amazement when it’s not
This worked well, Dr Peterson interviewing three very articulate former senior members of the Canadian military. The issues the Canadian military face appear to echo those faced by our British armed forces too, where the army is now down to just 70, 000 soldiers. Another problem here is that some former soldiers are being prosecuted for actions they may have allegedly taken years or even decades before. Morale is said to be falling in the British military too. The British people have not forgotten all the Canadian servicemen who gave their lives in WW1 and WW2. I might not be here if it wasn't for the Canadian military surgeon who operated on my shrapnel-injured paternal grandfather in northern France in 1918.
I haven't been proud for a while now, of being Canadian. I feel so utterly overwhelmed, and hopeless at times, about the power of DEI/woke mind virus. To watch all of our systems and institutions bow down to the woke cult, for fear of appearing non-progressive, as bigots, and to cover their asses, has been demoralizing. Watching this, of course, with JP at the helm, I feel proud to be Canadian. These 4 Canadians are the kind of people I have deep respect for. They remind me that many, many Canadians are not on board and see through the woke agenda. This made my WEEK! Jordan- you are special, and you are brilliant. I also learned a lot here about the Canadian military! Thanks so very much.
I understand you, but remember; when you're not proud to be Canadian, the left is getting *exactly* what it wants
This needs to be talked about more thank you this discussion Dr. Peterson
It is both in the US, and Canadas best interests for Canada to have a capable and professional military.
the empire doesn't have a capable military to take on their 'enemies'. global hegemony is finished.
I can't believe we're so stupid now there are millions of people who support making the military more equitable and inclusive when for thousands of years it has been nothing but meritocratic for obvious reasons a child can understand. Are we devolving?
Yup
The Canadians have an amazing military tradition. Don’t keg it go
Let*
As I look around at what is happening in developed countries, the unrest, the wokeism etc. I feel the threat isn't coming, it has arrived.
Yes the real threat is from within the country in our current leadership.
Go woke go broke
Go woke, be broken.
The rich aren’t going broke
They are getting more rich
My, what a bunch of reasonable and respectful people. More of this please 👏🏻👏🏻 Very insightful episode.
Great discussion. Thanks for doing this. I served in Admiral Mark Norman's orbit - not with him, but certainly close to him when he was the Vice Chief. He's an outstanding officer, and a great Canadian. I'd follow him anywhere, anytime.
Thank you to your guests for their service in the CF. I absolutely loved this conversation. Thank you so much for all the work you’ve been doing Dr. Peterson ♥️ I very much appreciate that you haven’t forgotten about your fellow countrymen
The divisive nature of the federal government towards its citizens in a declared "Post National" state. Declining pride in being canadian is also an issue to recruitment.
People want to belong to a winning team. Sub par standards and no mission is not going to attract high quality recruits.
Although both political parties are responsible for the degradation of the military, the one in power now scares me the most by far. What I see happening to my country economically, culturally and militarily makes me think that the PM is carrying out a plan of action dictated to him by at least one of our adversaries. Its as if the PM is intentionally degrading the country at the behest of our adversaries. The PM shares the political ideology of our chief adversary as did his father who was a known communist in the far left hotbed of Montreal in the 50's. The west may have won the Cold War militarily and economically but the radical left ideology of the eastern block countries and now China continues its Long March through our institutions. Did we really win?
It's coming from the inside. No insidious outside influences needed. Our PM has 635 nations within Canada who are quite happy to see our military in complete disarray.
Maybe it’s the American in me, but when I heard “They’d rather talk to a Canadian” I literally yelled “It’s because they think you’re weak and ineffectual!” Perhaps I’m simplistic, but having been to the Middle East I never once thought they respected anything but strength.
Well yes, they only respect your capacity of bashing their tribes back to dust. How ever for serving along side my brothers from the south in Afghanistan or Asia, your comment is exactly why they’ll rather speak too a Canadian in general. You guys are a proud bunch (keep it that way) but for relation with other countries ouff😅
@@jaca688I make this statement as a civilian (albeit closely associated) who’s lived for extended periods of time there, not a member of the military. America was always charged with far more trying tasks, whereas Canada played support. Clearly a country coming under fire more (American troops were put in more action ) is going to have a harsher, less “diplomatic” ideal and view. I would double down and say that’s because they have a more accurate view. The Americans are the “bad cops” and Canada gets to the play the “good cops.” They do not respect Canadians, as they only respect strength.
@@mtb416 well being the biggest fish in the pound makes you a target 🎯 they literally didn’t care to kill any other countries soldier, my covey was spare for for the American big flashy armour truck with a fat USA flag on the pole 2 vehicles down the road.
Good cop bad cop
@@jaca688 Pretty easy to be when every other NATO country knows America will watch out for their interests. They’re purposeful cowards and weak spenders on defense. That is an indictment on those countries and a compliment to America’s altruism.
Extremely important interview. Thank you for informing Canadians the situation and danger we are in.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, I loved the pic of you at Vancouver Island with your brother Charles. I thought you looked less heavy-hearted than I’ve seen you look in a long time and it made me so happy. Soak in time with your family.
Here’s a hug.
With Ruth Anne’s love
Well said ❤
As a 60 year old Canadian, I never thought I would leave Canada but I’m trying to find a way out of this insanely tyrannical woke country. If I had the money, I would already be gone. Why would anyone stay,things are going to get even worse.
I feel the very same way. I’m demoralized by what has happened under the crime minister in the last several years. It’s been a planned and purposeful destruction. What’s worse is the people who parrot the propaganda and lunacy, disparaging those of us who aren’t easily programmed, and are resolute in their unwillingness to even consider they’re being manipulated. When your own family would report you for not complying with the tyrannical government policies of COVID, what you have thought and believed about your loved ones your whole life , is no more.
And go where?
Good point. I have thought the same things ... But Australia and the UK are are rapidly deteriorating under the woke madness. So where on Earth does sanity and common sense still prevail??
@@paulnickson8734it’s hard to tell because our media is bought and paid for, and we are not being told anything true. It’s part of the demoralization process we’ve been subjected to for quite some time.
@@pradeepsinghm- most of Asia, most of South America, Eastern Europe, even Dubai. They are all infinitely better places to live.
I sailed many years with Ryan maissoneuve, you raise a great canadian and sailor.
Australian here. I have a great love for Canada, but here’s some anecdotal feedback for the Canadian Army. I worked with a former Afghan ISAF interpreter back in 2011. He’d been given asylum in Australia after working as an interpreter with American Army, British Royal Marines, Dutch Army, Australian Army and Canadian Army units. His opinion was the British Royal Marines were the best equipped and most professional of the units he worked with. He said the Americans were generous, the Australians were very careful and he didn’t mention the Dutch. Of the Canadian unit he worked with, he said he resigned because he found them to be gung ho reckless cowboys that took unnecessary risks that put him and their personnel in unnecessary danger. I was genuinely surprised to hear that, but that was his position. If it’s any indication of the genuine state of the CF, we have to ask what happened between 1945 and 2005 that they went from world admiration for the quality of their forces to today. It saddens me tbh.
I will bet money he was working with the Van Doos from Quebec....
@@Dreadnought16I would bet money you are correct
Having served in the CAF 76-09 and watching the decline due to political agendas, this is one of the most encouraging interviews I have seen. These three retirees are well spoken and very knowledgeable about the needs of the Canadian military and the problems it has to overcome. I still feel depressed about the current state of the service due to the current policies forced by the government but hopefully it can be changed. Our future would be much brighter if all the leaders were like these three fine veterans!!
I joined the Canadian military in the late eighties and entered an occupational trade that traditionally was known for “enthusiastic imbibing”. On what was considered then to be an isolated posting, (pre internet and video games) our social lives consisted of beer calls and parties. Most sporting events and festivals also featured copious amounts of alcohol, resulting in drunken debauchery. Still in the same location some thirty years later, and still working in the same trade as a civilian, it is quite evident the young military members prefer less social activities as the three messes are often vacant on the weekends. Festivals that use to last a week with parades, activities and ending with a live band dance, have been whittled down to a barely noticeable day.
The young members I have worked with for the last sixteen years, leave work and go home to smoke pot and play video games. Most are not married or have children.
I suspect there aren’t as many instances of sexual misconduct with profoundly less socializing and alcohol abuse.
so then the real question is if that is a good thing. to take the good with the bad, or have nothing at all
Thank you for your unwavering dedication to our country. At 29 years old, I deeply wish I could contribute more to serving our beloved nation, despite its current challenges. If informed when I was younger to the opportunities the CAF provided I would have signed up on the spot. I never saw much recruitment in small town Saskatchewan. Everyone participating in this discussion exhibits remarkable potential to lead Canada towards a brighter future. I hope you all continue your commitment and service by engaging with the government in some capacity, helping steer our country towards the prosperity we deserve.
Dr Peterson. Can you please let Enoch Burke come on your show. He was the Irish teacher who has suspended by his Head Teacher because he refused to call a student “they”. The School obtained a court injunction preventing him from coming in to teach the students (who wanted him there). He continued to come in to teach in breach of the court order, he was arrested & then jailed.
These are some brilliant leaders.
Norman ran into problems during his time, a government with no moral compass and politicians that "act" like leaders rather than are leaders.
Norman was widely respected and faced the wrath of the political types given he was focused on a functional Navy and the best interests of Canada rather than returning political favours.
He went through a sham trial. It was a failed attempt to persecute rather than prosecute. Sort of reflects a lot of other failed court cases. It was Norman's lawyer that captured what was happening. Following on the recent departure from government of Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, Marie Henein noted that "Fortunately Vice-Admiral Norman didn’t fire the females he hired.” That was just the opener, “There are times you agree with what happens in a court room there are times you don’t. And that’s fine. But what you don’t do is you don’t put your finger and try to weigh in on the scales of justice. That is not what should be happening.”
A rather brilliant lawyer was sending Canadians a pretty clear message.
Around 27:00 minutes: Jordan was spot on! He identified the CCP as a foe. 👍
Before anyone cries racist, I am a Canadian who is ethnically Chinese. Besides, CCP is political. Not racial.
When an individual's feeling of identity is considered more important than that of the unit and the team you are going to create dysfunction not a sense of belong and unity. Congratulations.
Even though I partially agree with you, the sense of unity must have originally cohered around some set of values in order to establish unity in the first place, because there is no stable unity without a compromise of personal values for overarching & unifying ones. But this compromise happens because someone's set of established principles/values were found to be a more coherent framework for the healthily regulated function of some team. However, this framework of governing values doesn't spontaneously arise from the bickering of individuals between each other over differences in judgement or perspective, because these differences are eternally irreconcilable given similarly irreconcilable differences in values and world view between said bickering individuals. Instead, this unifying "centre" comes rather from some individual slowly implementing their own values/principles into a system, which they enact successfully because their internal framework of governing values, rules and principles are more coherent and intelligent, more effective, than any other individual's (i.e., the rules/principles which come to dominate the system actually work, and actually solve practical problems). The unity established by frameworks of governance, legislation, rules, processes, procedures and values arise from an individual, not from some process external to the individual. It can't be otherwise, because external frameworks have no adaptive power or moral authority (they hold little sway over people's behaviour and at best change it but do not transform it). And, as mentioned above, democratic processes of "bickering" don't establish coherence or synthesis towards Truth. The individual alone synthesises these Truths. And the individual becomes the source of coherence around which unity forms.
Engage in any open or democratic forum in which there is neither top-down reconciliation or bottom-up emergence of intelligence solving group problems, facilitating compromises, and establishing a coherent scheme of values and principles which are self-consistent and effective enough to provide stability and order to others- you will find a dysfunctional carousel of arguments and unresolved problems around which nothing resolves or changes, nothing grows, and problems fester or metastasise. This is because it is the individual alone who can be the source of unity.
lets consider who was leading the team...
@@117Industries I really had to think about this, it is an interesting chicken or egg type of point that you raise. I would simply say the values, principles and expectations of the armed forces are not isolated - they are a reflection of those of the broader society and, in particular, reflected in the actions of the government the armed forces serves. If you see turmoil in the broader society around the shared or common set of values and beliefs it is understandable this could make its way into institutions, such as the armed forces. The shift can create disruptions, but these disruptions are actually felt across the broader culture. The thesis being presented here in this video appears to be the perception that there are emerging ideas that go to the core of a meritocracy and the notion that aspects of individual merit, intelligence and seeking excellence are being replaced by new systems and structures built in large part on equity, diversity and inclusion. These are pretty central ideas which shape value. The question becomes are you creating a greater sense of belonging and strengthening cohesion in the armed forces when you, as a soldier, are told to reject heteronormativity given this is what is required in the broader cultural context? Reject heteronormativity and take pride by not just tolerating and celebrating difference, but encouraging participation in the broader societies anti-heteronormativity beliefs as well as anti-racism, etc.
The values and underlying beliefs in culture are not fixed. You can see the shifts reflected through history and sometimes this involves codifying groups in legislation and rebalancing justice to provide additional protection to achieve more fairness. The challenge is a military is typically constructed around self-disciplined professionals that are accepting of personal sacrifice and a shared belief in a unity of purpose (Note: we can debate these given many would argue it is as simple as character, competence and purpose). Bottomline is answering the call of service to defend the values and the will of government is the role. Strength of the armed forces comes from the self-disciplined professionals working as a team toward a common goal.
My sense is what you might be seeing in this discussion is the divergence in values and beliefs in the broader society. On one hand the belief that diversity is a strength may not play out as such when the values among groups come in conflict, especially if they are difficult to reconcile. That said, we are pretty good in Canada at finding accommodations based on individual beliefs and especially when they are of a religious nature. Some might suggest we are no longer seeking accommodations.
The challenge for a military is elevating Individual expression and personal identify. The military organization will struggle to function based around the desires of the individual when professional identify is sacrificed for il-conceived expressions of personal interest and desire. Elevating the individual without justifiable foundation has the potential to undermine not only good order and discipline, it undermines team cohesion and the sense of belonging. This is especially the case if the desires of the individual are perceived to disrespect those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. As discussed here some of these very foundational issues for the cultural shift are in debate, or so it seems.
I will give you one example: the belief that children can change sex might be one of those cultural issues influencing values that is up for debate. Its not something a parent would want to tolerate let alone celebrate or hope to participate if they appreciate doing so for their child at a young age lines them up for a life of disfunction.
I never clicked on an Dr. PETERSON show so fast... thank you for this Sir.
Good Canadian 😎👍
I am alarmed by the state of our Canadian Military. D.E.I does not help the situation.
I can see the pent of frustration of these people. So many mistakes being made by the US and Canada. Foolish mistakes.
It's going to get way worse in the future. The death cult isn't finished in it's pursuit to destroy society in the name of power, pleasure and pride. Get ready, there's a storm coming
The US has been sold. That's why all of this is happening. It's a military plan from the outside in. Americans don't want this.
Canadians hold it in lol until they don't 😆
Thanks for this Dr Peterson 💖
And may God continue to bless you and your family
Thank you. Jordan do this with the branches of our military leaders in the USA.
The only threat to Canada is internal. The Canadian man who shed blood in the defense of freedom at Vimy Ridge, on Juno Beach, or the Battle of Kap'yong is history few know of and understand. Instead of victory there is only apathy and resignation to the rest of the world's interests. In life you must lead, follow, or get out of the way, and too many Canadians have chosen or been forced to get out of the way. Weak men create hard times.
I’m not going to pretend that alcohol doesn’t bring some negative aspects, but the majority of alcohol related incidents did not happen while underway on ships. We had the regulations in place to enforce any alcohol related issues, and it’s the senior leadership that Mr.Norman mentioned that failed the RCN by not enforcing those regulations.
Very good and polite talk. Good examples of good citizens. Thank you all!
Hi Jordan, I enjoy your podcasts and this one was one of the best ones in regards to Canada. I was impressed by their criticism of the state of our Canadian military as this weighs heavily on me also, it was a little sad that they seemed so grateful to be able to find someone with a wide audience to be able to lay it out for us and the issues we face as a nation. I hope you can do more podcasts on our military and the situation we're in in the future. Respect from Alberta!
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Excellent talk on the state of our Military. It is shameful that the government does not support those professionals serving the Country.
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Great discussion, thank you Jordan.
The 14,000 Canadian fighting men who led the charge on Juno Beach in 1944 are long dead but more importantly the courage, reputation and determination they displayed as a nation has been lost forever by the current Canadian administration. They have denigrated the spirt of liberty and justice those men died for to a microcosm of some global agenda they are subjecting its current citizens too. Soon they will have no discernible country, identity or culture.
There is light at the end of tunnel. Keep the faith the men and woman are ready for positive change.
At 36 and after an 8 year nursing career, two failed re-attempts at school (financial) and a whole lot of gigging. the CAF is offering me an officer position after almost a year long recruiting process. I thought nursing was the hill I was gonna die on, but that system is crippling for anyone with a conscience and awareness.
I would not dissuade any millennial men, who do not fit into the civilian rat-race, to visit a recruitment center. Not all positions are combat positions.
Too many white men. They need not apply. Check out the Toronto Star March 23, 2022. Note: the Star has softened their original article (a lot) but the headline says it all.
@@markrussell3428 I've been back and forth to recruiting since last Oct and it's not as bad as you'd think; not as bad as I thought. Fairly large men as recruiters representing the three elements. At least half the dudes in there were white or white passing.
(edit new) Slowly but surely, and at the end of the day, the CAF knows it needs capable, strong soldiers, and more of them to fulfill it's obligations to allies.
@@Burdflu Its good you have come away with a positive experience. I gave you the headline from the Toronto Star. Use your own experience to reflect if its accurate.
It was a story that came out at the same time as the UK was in a recruiting meltdown. Their head of recruiting quit, rather than follow an unjust order. She was proven correct.
@@markrussell3428 Mind linking it? Google muddies the waters.
I served a decade as a medic in the CAF. I’ll give you some advice…get a photocopy of your medical records yearly. More importantly do not get hurt. Think you had it rough in the civilian world? Wait until you burn out in the forces, have an injury and/or have a miserable psychopathic superior purposely try to drive you insane for no other reason than because they get off on it.
I find it ridiculously ironic that 'we' thought that there wouldn't be a state on state conflict anymore.
And folks called me the crazy person 20 years ago..
...what an excellent podcast. This is exactly what our government should advocate for the younger generation(s). We need to get this country back in focus and on the rails if it will matter in this ever-changing world. As most of us say nowadays, those of us on the back nine, "if I could only turn back time and do things differently and correctly."😉👍👍
By all appearances the younger generation, IF they’re motivated enough to enroll, that motivation pretty much stops when their foot is in the door. Lowest physical fitness standards. Lowest dress and deportment standards. No active and accountable leadership. A joke.
And Canadians can't defend themselves either.
Turdy made sure of that. He wants us unarmed, broke, addicted, distracted, ignorant, unhealthy and programmable.
It's impossible for the Canadian population to defend our huge country with the small population we have. We need to have a small but strong military that does not rely on the US or any other country. The liberals just want to have a few troops stand with others in the NATO parade square but does not want to put money into them being actually effective. The Canadian troops assigned to Latvia are constantly in need of support from other countries just to get by. If a war ever broke out against NATO, every country will see that it's own troops are well supplied. Canadian troops will be standing there wondering were their armoured vests and MANPADS are.
The propaganda run during the Bush era ran rough shot through public perception of the military in general. I was a teen during all that, so recruiting from millennials and up is gonna be a bit rough. Hopefull CAF PR gets stronger over the next few years.
Vests and MANPADS were probably in Ukraine, but dont fret, they were probably from the 80's and worn out to dangerous levels.
@@Burdflu I think there has to be a complete over haul of the CAF staffing. You have the regular force and then you have a temporary force. How about a 19 year old going thru 9 months of training and then 18 months of deployment. After they are released they are provided an education fund and first choice to schools. For 10 years after education they are held in reserve.
@@johnfischer8230 I tend to agree with you here. With a lot of the rites of passage being gone, and a number of directionless youths, the CAF could stand to have more bridging programs between highschool and into college age. I hear that the naval experience program has seen some positive results for the RCN. The desire to build back up is there, but the trick seems to be convincing Ottawa that it's a worthwhile endeavour. International partners are noticing and starting to apply pressure.
That interview was awesome! If I wasn't so old I would be signing up. I'm a patriot of this country! And can't believe what's happening to us? But our biggest threat is the geologist elites and their agenda!
Excellent interview. Thanks. CAF veteran - 41 years service.
Did 36 years RCN and we always did more with less but there was a cold beer to be had and they even took that away.
The fact that we have access to this wealth of knowledge for free is amazing and appreciated. I learn so much from this podcast.
Lets all remember that Canadians in the military swear loyalty and fealty to the King, and never to the Canadian people.
Absolutely outstanding discussion with thoughtful and knowledgable participants. Very specific but very relevant to this country and it's citizens. Dr. Peterson, you are a gift to this nation and to the world at large. And whoever determines who you wind up talking to has my lifelong respect. Thank you and please keep up the fight.
Dr. Peterson, as an Air Force veteran, thank you for this very interesting and thought provoking interview. If you would, PLEASE consider conducting a similar interview with retired, US military leadership. The same DEI and gender concerns are rife across all branches of the United States military.
My husband and I both started the journey to join before kids. I’d be proud to serve and/or have my husband and sons serve in the military but not under its current condition.
Great discussion. Thanks for having it.
Like a few other commentators, I'm ex-CAF, having served from the late 70's to the early 90's, including a tour in Germany (I was there when the Berlin Wall fell) back when NATO was a strictly defensive organisation. For people from my serving generation, this conversation will be strangely familiar; the topics and issues were/are the same (outdated equipment, manpower issues, social concerns taking precedent over meritocracy, lack of support from politicians etc), and have been for at least 2-3 generations, going back to the Unification of the Services in 1968.
Unfortunately, these types of exchanges (as much as I would agree) are echo chambers of a dying world. Having left the Service and Canada back in the early 90's, I've had the opportunity to watch Canada develop socially from outside, and in my view from afar, todays CAF reflects the country as it now is, not as it's wished to be by the panellists. DEI issues, individuality ruling over collectiveness, males allowed to wear skirts, orange hair; these are just reflections of todays Canadian society. There may be some contrarian views about that, but with time, these will be eventually swept away, to be replaced by a military elite that has known no other methods, and will propagate what they have been taught. If the Canadian Government has learned anything in the past 25 years, it is that hierarchical organisations such as CAF are perfectly suited to forced social engineering. Actual warfighting capability is of no real interest to the current government. What's left of the RCN and RCAF are good examples of this; from my remaining contacts, the Canadian Army seems to be just hanging on by a thread.
IMHO, the real danger to the Canadian military, and paradoxically its most important partner, is the United States. The days of stand alone Canadian taskings such as UN Peacekeeping in Cyprus or Syria are over. Those types of duty are now carried out by Global South countries using the UN payments as social transfers. Canadian Forces, always used as the force multiplier, have now been freed up to fight along side their collective west partners (masquerading as NATO) in future wars that will be created to support "our western values" against "evil dictators" who dare to challenge US hegemony. There's one going on right now in eastern Europe. And Canada will be expected/pressured to contribute. Fighting against near-peer rivals, it could get extremely ugly for serving Canadians, very quickly, and the greater Canadian society is not ready for that.
Well said. When we deployed to Afghanistan we still had a hangover of cold war discipline.
We would come in from a patrol to the old sgt-maj jacking us up for not shaving properly that morning (because we were patrolling).
The forces evolved to allow soldiers to grow beards because the Afghans took men seriously, and viewed clean shaven men as boys.
Where I’m going with this is that when a crisis arises we will be forced to adapt to it or perish. This DEI and orange hair nonsense will pass. I just hope people don’t die in the meantime because of it, but it’s most likely inevitable.
I would agree with your point; whether you have green or orange hair doesn't matter much when you're closing with the enemy, as long as the section functions as a team, everyone knows their assigned tasks and the job gets done with the minimum amount of casualties. In a sense, if the crap really hits the fan, my hope would be that any DEI promotions ending up in critical leadership positions would be quickly identified and/or replaced by the best people suited to get the job done. My overriding worry is: how many people would need to die or units destroyed before that happens? My CAF experience is now dated, but at 1 CAG in Germany, we just didn't have the personnel or resources available to be wasted while unqualified leadership climbed some steep learning curve; it was imperative that the right people were in the right jobs ready for the day the flag went up, or we would have just been wiped out. That's what the leadership selection and training systems were supposed to be about. As a training CWO used to say in Borden to all the new aircraft technical students: "we're not here to train you for Air Canada, we're here to train you for war"; I'm wondering if that is still being barked out to new arrivals these days.
As a Canadian 35 yr vetran this panel was very appreciated. These retire officiers are correct and truthful with their comments. The current government has utterly devastated the CAF and the Canadian main steam media has support there far left BS in painting the CAF in a negative light. Thank for this Dr. Peterson.
"I'm not your friend Canada!!"
"I'm not your Canada guy!!!"
"I'm not your guy friend!!"
"I'm not your friend buddy"
"I'm not your buddy pal!!!!!"
"Heeeessss nooootttt your pal guy"
..........And so on and so forth😂
Don’t make fun of my country buddy!
I’m a reg force infantryman from 3VP and I wrote a email to Jordan Peterson personally to ask for this exact discussion with any ret’d high ranking officer from the CAF. So, I don’t mean to brag guys, buuuuut I think this was me👍🏆
Ok greg983. smoke another one there bud
Thank you Greg 🇨🇦 🍁 🇨🇦
How did a Lt. Colonel rise to become Chief of Defense Staff in 8 years?
Very similar, if not worse, issues within the RCMP.
Sure this is not the topic obviously, but man, what an attractive woman Barbara is. And I don't mean it sexually, just the overall impression she's giving as a woman... wow. Apt, coherent, sensible, logical while staying feminine at the same time. A professional, well accomplished, but without a trace of "bossy" or "strong and independent".
Young guys, look, you want a girl who becomes a woman like that when she ages with you. A level-headed, intelligent classy woman. A woman that doesn't make life dumber and darker but smarter and brighter instead.
I'm originally from Cuba and for Cubans it's a daily habit, a beer and a relaxing factor in friendship, person, doctors, professor, very intelligent people, I'm not an alcoholic 👍
This was a terrific discussion. I'm a 36 year veteran of the Forces. But... at the very end of the discussion, I would have said as my advice to Canadians (especially young ones): "don't join the Forces, because you will be under-appreciated, under-paid, and under-equipped and the country doesn't care about you". That's the reality of today. If Canada doesn't care about its defence then why should someone like me try to encourage people to join. Let the chips lay where they fall: you get the defence that you pay for and care about to have. Unfortunately it will take another horrific war and the loss of many unprepared Canadian lives to wake us up. (Go Google Canada's preparedness for WW1, WW2, the Korean War, and the War on Terrorism.)
Two retired 3 stars (Mark was VAdm and Michel was LGen) who have a tremendous breadth of competence insight, experience and who are able to say what they think.
Petersons guests are just stellar upon stellar. Brilliant and inspiring people. This conversation makes me want to quit university and join my countries military academy.
It would have been nice if Mr Peterson had a Senior NCO in the Panel rather than just Senior Officers.
My son attended a workshop yesterday with an Army recruiter. He said that if you apply today, you will start training in up to two years. It is not surprising that they need help recruiting people.
Even as a non-canadian this is one of the best podcasts i've ever watched
You need real warriors not unicorns and rainbows... i was a canadian army cadets in the past and it was based on merit and talents now its a different story. bring back the soul of our armed forces back!
Omg a Canadian that isn't soft 🤣
@@noxplay4906 im far from being soft dont fall for the stereotypes :) but your comment is very funny i love it :)
No offence to the present company who served, however, they don’t speak/sound for even an instant as front line armed forces personnel. They sound just like staff officers, DND ‘management’ lifers and POLITICIANS. Not naive, staff officers are politicians today out of necessity. That said, countries such as ours require a Patton etc. not Trudeau’s, Jags or their minions.
Excellent topics and excellent guest speakers, that really know the military and the life - As a Canadian I fully support our military and have no issue to pay more taxes to get us back to our proud traditions of service to Country and the World. We just need to get rid of the Liberalism ( Trudeau Liberals) from procurement & recruitment and let the military be run by real leaders like these guests.
Canadian "recruiting" (Victoria) they dont even call you back or make even 5 percent of an effort. Confusing since i thought we needed people and some of us are able and respond.
Brilliant intro!
To use military force to influence....etc...
Great point...great discussion
I am also in the Canadian military and would love to talk to about my DEI experience.
Enlightening discussion that reaches beyond the military. Focusing on the individual, rather than the team/community problematic on many levels. Thank you for giving these well spoken people a platform.
What a superb in depth discussion / analysis on Western, not just Canadian, military problems. The only uniform supported by the current Canadian Government is the complicit RCMP !
I served in the Royal Navy for 40 years, joining as an Engineering Artificer Apprentice, eventually serving in diesel electrical submarines; I left as a WO1.
In the late 90’s I met and worked with in excess of 440 Canadian submarine personnel of all ranks, rates and Services, they were a great cohort of good humoured, professional men and very rewarding to work with. There were no female personnel at that time, but it was in discussion.
On a lighter military humour,non PC, note ; did Stevie Wonder fit that window air conditioner ?
Thank you for the real conversation!
Excellent content, Thankyou Dr. Peterson. Thank goodness we still have amazing persons like yourself who can represent our country well and remind the world that a lit of Canadian still ARE as the reputation that precedes us.
I didn’t realize OUR Military is least optimal. Thank you for this video Dr. JP. Lets hope OUR Military leaders are BRAVE enough to push back.
Schools in BC don't sing the anthem anymore.
😔😭 B.C is a hell scape
That's the NDP for you
Thank you Doctor JP.
No drinking? That makes me never want to join
On the ship. If you're an alcoholic, they don't need you.
@@ENFPerspectives 🤷🤷 okay, keep low recruitment numbers🤷🤷
There’s still drinking, but after your done work. The ships allow booze when in port but not during an actual operation (this prevents death and fatal decisions) I did 25 years in the infantry and can confirm that booze crests shi&y leaders, I don’t mind a beer, but when you are in an employment field that deals with life or death decision making, this is why alcohol needs to be monitored.
If that's the reason you don't wanna join thank God you never joined in first place
Where exactly do you think you’re going to have employment if you want to drink? Lol
The people that comprise the Western portion of the system are not interchangeable and if we're not talking about them and their replacement at this point we're really talking about nothing 🤦🏻♂️
2 hours of yapping and no mention of the true menace that faces the West. Do not waste your time
Your comment is being slid by the overlords.
@@jakesstx of course it is. When it comes to "saving Western Civilization" Peterson is about as useful as an ejection seat in a helicopter.
Great conversation, Dr. Jordan Peterson and the Canadian Army Officers...Thanks.
Catherine Christensen would be a great guest to talk about issues in the CAF. She is the lawyer taking on the CAF for abuse of authority, vaccine injury, contaminated drinking water.
She speaks on behalf of hundreds of troops, mostly veterans but also many actively serving.
The military are not guinea pigs and photo backdrops but that seems to be the way they’re being used.
I knew it was over when during basic our instructors told us they could no longer sware at us.
Thank you Jordan ❤ 🇨🇦 ❤️
This was an excellent conversation. I would have liked you all to address the other more recent (last 4 years) disincentive to joining the military which isn't DEI, namely the risks and likelihood of compulsory enrolement in a pharmacological experiment. Many servicemen left or were fired over this point of principle, and many who would have joined are now sufficiently pharmacologically literate 😉 to choose another career path...
Has anyone considered the purpose is to weaken western countries for the benefit of competing countries?
Must be why liberal college students support terrorist organizations that hate America and the West and why they want prisons to be emptied and the border to be unprotected. The literal aim of the woke movement is to destroy Western civilization. And, I agree, of course our rivals are funding the useful idiots
I Think that's What Everyone on This side of It is Thinking. I think it's too late or it would not have gotten this far. It's the appearance that it's coming from the inside but imo, it's happened. We are in the transition phase.
They already lost a large portion of their good people
@@adamhope8689 So where did they go
It's depopulation
Thank you all for this interesting conversation. It probably speaks of every military in the western world. Wishing you all the best, team.
That was brilliant, thank-you all! I recall a comment from a US High School grad (viewer stay w/ me, this *does* become relevant). He was considering the US military as a career, but quickly dropped the option after the gross mishandling of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan unde the current adminstr'n (and it wasn't due to fear of mortality).
Quote was (close to), "I can't join w/ a permanent fear that, when my body is repatrioted due to political incompetence, that the Pres. will attend *my* repatr'n ceremony at the airport while impatiently glancing at his watch. Like he's going to miss his tee-off time at the golf course." At your next round table ()Dr. Peterson?) Id like to see the question of recruitment difficulty related to lack of confidence in the political side.
1:30:36 "depends on the uniform i might say" - this was such a gem of a reply! It almost went unnoticed, but oh so cleverly put. Dr Peterson has a good sense of humor 😆
All in all, this was such a great conversation. Thank you for setting it up!
growing up in the US and living a few minutes from the Canadian border we learned so little of Canada
Dr Peterson makes a really interesting point that military personnel have personality traits high in conscientiousness. Any effort to end discrimination will not be recieved well if they are replaced with different forms of discrimination. Shifting from a focus on individual merit, excellence and intelligence in favor of abstract concepts could be problematic and explain why retention is as much the problem as recruiting.