Being a pens fan, I was introduced to Steve through the “Phil Kessel: An Era Wasted” video and have watched just about everything since. I feel like this deserves the sequel treatment. An Era Wasted: Part 2.
I love me a long ot playoff game! I will always remember as a lightning fan the 5ot clash between Tampa and the jackets in 2020. That game started at 3:00 eastern time and ended around 9;00 lol. I remember staying up late the night before to study for a final and watching that game drained me of my soul but it was so worth it
Another example of a high draft pick going back to college was Jonathan Toews. Drafted 3rd overall and played the next year at North Dakota, then joined the Hawks the year after with Patrick Kane. They were both nominated for the Calder the same year
Curious if there's going to be another one after the Brendan Shanahan conference where he suggested Dubas basically used his press conference as a bargaining chip to get a better deal..
This is a crossroads moment for the franchise. They either make the right moves, and continue to remain competitive and challenge for a cup for the next 5-8 years at least. Or they royally screw it all up and we are competing for a draft lottery within that same time period
25:28 Wade is fantastic! He did the announcing for the NC State Ice Pack club hockey team. Those were games which started at 11 p.m. at a local ice skating rink which could maybe seat 60 people (though there was standing room for a couple hundred all around the rink). As a State student, it was so cool to hear the Hurricanes in arena announcer calling our club hockey game. He is very committed to hockey in Raleigh and always does a great job. Also he looks like Lakitu from Mario Kart.
1:04:45 -- "In Kyle Dubas' five years as Leafs GM, they AVERAGED 106 points." Game, set, match right there. Regular season success but absolute torturous failure in the postseason, year after year after year after year after year. Besides being in the basement, the worst feeling as a fanbase is to be good and not live up to your potential. This is where the 2023 Toronto Maple Leafs stand right now.
That's the numbers defence or stats. But you don't win a cup with stats you win with winning rounds. And they couldn't do that here year after year after year.
You look at it, these Leafs are a bit like those Senators teams from the late 90s through 2004. A lot of skill and talent with strong regular seasons with division titles and even a President's Trophy, but struggled in the playoffs. Though even those teams won some playoff rounds and had a very good shot at reaching the finals in 2003 if not for Wade Redden vacating the middle of the ice.
To be fair (1:36) Quick had a vezina-caliber season in 2012 before that cup run. He should have won it over Lundqvist that year for having comparable if not better stats and playing more minutes on a far worse Kings team that was second last in the league in scoring. I’ll take the two cup runs, especially the W over Lundqvist, but I’ll die on this hill and be salty about it forever.
@@pomerlain8924 Yes! But at least one was an OTL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and he *still* led the league in shutouts. They were second to last in scoring but also second best in goals against lol.
AHHHHH. FINALLY THE beleafer shows his head after this team he believed in crashed out pathetically. Well my man. im here to tell you that I WAS 1000% RIGHT. SO SHUT UR FACE. 😂
Crosby was not the first exceptional status player, Tavares was. However Crosby inspired it being created. Gave the CHL an idea to get players that were clearly too good to be playing in their local leagues to put them on the fast track to the NHL asap.
This is the case like people thinks that Julius Caesar is the first Emperor (He was never an emperor, only a dictator). Crosby inspire the "exceptional player status". He was never granted that status as it is not exist during his time.
As a caps fan we made some unpopular moves and it took forever for us to win. Green, varly, Neuvirth, mojo. The only "core" we stuck with was ovi and Backstrom other member of that core were eventually moved on until it worked.
@@SuPeRnOvAtHeFuNnYmAn haha super impressive I went to bed at 3 and slept until 6. Did end up going to bed at 8:30 too haha. Let’s hope for a regulation win tonight
About the hits in Panthers-Canes, someone wasn't counting them all, the game was staying physical till the 6th period at least. Throwing big hits over and over again.
Cale Makar went back to college twice as the 4th overall pick. Said he didn't think his first year was good enough to go straight into the NHL. People wondered if he was going to stall his development by doing it. Here we are now.
Wouldn’t be too worried about Cooley. As a Flyers fan, Gauthier went back to college and there is 0 talk of him not signing. I just imagine Cooley is gonna wait till 2024 for developments sake.
I remember when the second longest (at that point?) game on record happened in Germany in 2008--6 OT periods. Robert Muller, the winning goaltender, saved 96 of 100 shots on goal. Muller had just battled back from a brain tumor the previous year. (Unfortunately, the tumor started growing again that summer and he passed away less than a year later)
Carolina's affiliate for the past couple of years has been Chicago. They're going back to independent, so who knows what Carolina will do now for an AHL affiliate. Last year, Charlotte shared affiliation with Seattle and Florida, while being Florida only this year.
Thoughts on the Washington Capitals comparison - Ovi was signed for 1000 years, Backstrom had 10? The reason why they cycled was likely in part because Ovi was almost 19% of the cap. They also could keep running it back with the core 2 were signed for a greater part of a decade. Matthews, Marner & Nylander are UFAs and expecting raises within 5-6 years. You're seeing the leafs cycle through players yes, because they're not winning BUT it's also the nature of the salary capped league when you're top heavy. Capitals didn't win until Ovi's deal aged and he (their highest paid player by some margin when they won) was making ~12% of the increased cap. There is likely something to be said about your salary structure. Leafs have 3 players over 13%. Caps had the time to wait out their contract choices because of the (now illegal) length of those deals. I'd be curious who the highest % based salaried player to win the cup is.
I think Steve is discounting how good some of the Caps teams that failed. 2010 was a monstrous offensive team (their only issue was they couldn't play shut down d) plus the 2015-17 Trotz teams that set franchise records. Ovis goals don't even need to be mentioned, but their were some huge individual season efforts. Holtby tied MB's single season wins total record. The expectations for those teams were far bigger than what the leafs have had, which made the disappointment every playoffs that much more painful.
17:13 TNT (the channel the game was broadcasted on in the States) has Wayne Gretzky on during intermissions, Wayne said it was the right call, I’m not arguing with The Great One
Listening to Steve, it's amazing any team won the Cup. Apparently the cap not going up was a catastrophic event that only prevented the Leafs from winning and nobody else lol
Yeah, how do one keep using that as sort of an excuse for three really expensive and semi short contracts. GMs don't usually sign 3 guys for 10 million plus per year, why, because since when has it been a winning way to build a team by top loading it something fierce.
Stephan came and skated with my AAA team with some London knights player back in the day. The size and footspeed of your somewhat "avg"nhl player is unbelievable. Trying to pin him to the boards was a nightmare. He probably dosent remember me but I he's a great dude
Shanahan insisted they were ready to resign Dubas multiple times. Also indicated he liked his deadline acquisitions. I can absolutely see them retaining the core but using it differently and of course with new support. The very real question of whether or not a different coach could make this core work is an unanswered one and potentially one they'd like to explore before shipping out some of the most important players this team has ever had. Dubas masterfully crafted trades with pieces we often thought immovable. Whether a new GM could do the same with similar gains I'm not convinced of. Whoever they do hire will have large shoes to fill pleasing the public and media. This is an unusual situation given how well the team did compared to others firing management. The risk of changing the team enough that they're left fighting for a playoff spot is very real. MLSE is likely raking in more profit than ever before. Jeopardizing the relationship with the fan base by making several questionable, inflammatory decisions will undoubtedly hurt the organization reputationally as well as financially and I suspect will factor into any core decisions.
Wrong. Dubas played around and found out. He could be GM right now but instead decided to play games in the media and blindside the team and then ask for more money. It blew up in his face costing him his job. A brilliant fail of a negotiation strategy if there ever was one.
That quadruple OT game was a masterpiece of a game and Bobrovsky was lights out….I said we would make it to the cup final and we will win this series in 6 games
the other day I walked way out 2 my friends place..... in the country.... When I met up with him, he was busy & I got a ride got dropped off, and walked all the way back.... I google mapped it to see how far I had walked & it was 15.9 kms... I had blisters on both my feet......
This feels awful. i really really hope they find a better gm. But i kinda doubt it. Feels like the teams gonna implode and our cup hopes will die. at least we'll get a good spot in the draft?
So toronto is giving up those prospects and picks? Because seattle isn't going to trade away beniers plus picks and prospects for a guy with 1 year left on his deal.
Naz does similar community/charity work to what Steve does and he's a great interview. If Snoop and his group win the Ottawa bid, I bet Kadri would have some interesting and insightful thoughts on how their plan impacts his organization for example.
Find a stupid Gm to give you an upcoming defenceman(Zdeno Chara) 1:43:57 plus a first round pick( Jason Spezza) for a high scoring franchise type player?
Re Cooley: 2 years in college seems to becoming the norm - Knies, Caufield, Power and Beniers all did the 2 years thing and sign the ELC with a few NHL games left in their sophomore year to get it to toll. Since they can negotiate an extension after their 2nd pro year it’s kind of a fast track hack (if they have a good rookie year). They also avoid the nonsense Shane Wright went through
Guys guys - go watch the Kyper and Bourne show today - they discuss this DUBAS firing at a total different angle - Totally opposite of Steve’s take on the Dubas firing … nice to look at both sides of the table - I think Shanahan did the right thing .
Sounds like Kyper may have been right. There were hints Dubas's comments at the press conference (invoking the "family" stuff) may have been a negotiating tactic. As it turns out, he gets his agent to ask for more money after talking about "not being sure if he wants to be GM" and Shanahan called his bluff and sent him home. The Foligno trade was a mistake, but you can't foresee a back injury. The Mrazek signing was a mistake. Signing Tavares was a mistake (likely the biggest, since that's an anchor they might not be able to fix). Then this year's trade deadline where you part ways with Sandin who could have been part of the future of this team, along with a plethora of picks, all for 2 extra playoff wins. This team is loaded with individual talent, but it doesn't work as a team. You could trade Marner, Matthews, Tavares and Nylander to other top teams and any of them could win a cup. But together, on this team, it will never happen. This team appears to have been constructed using rankings and stats. There's little in the way of grit or hard play. No one really fears playing this team, and they should. Think about this, the $11 million they are paying Tavares instead could have gone to Verhaeghe, Bennett and Gudas. What makes a better team, one John Tavares or the combination of Verhaeghe, Bennett and Gudas? Again, this isn't a slight on Tavares, but he isn't what this team needed. Yes, it was a big deal when they signed him, but it was a mistake, and it's a mistake that will be virtually impossible to get out of (since he doesn't appear to want to waive his NMC).
If the Leafs hire Stan Bowman they deserve what they get. Which will be out of the playoffs on a consistent basis or after next year. You think you have it bad now just wait if you hire Stan.
As Non-Leaf Fan...the FIRST thing the new GM needs to do, is what they've needed to do for YEARS. BALANCE OUT THE SPENDING. You have NO CHOICE. Who's to say that the Leaf's won't be BETTER by trading Matthews or Marner...or BOTH!? I'm assuming Tavares can't be traded (without MASSIVE cap retention).
I think I might be done with the leafs after this. This organization is going to be a mess again now that Dubas is gone. And Shanny shouldn’t have been making decisions anymore.
It really bothered me when they were talking about exceptional status and Adam was listing the 15 year old major junior players. Only 7 players have ever gotten actual exceptional status, which was what Steve was referring to. All those other guys I assume were listed on quant hockey as 15 YOs because they played in a season identified as their 15th year? I know they were allowed to draft 15 year olds back then so maybe only a few got pulled up early?
Now we all wonder could things have been different had CJ not asked the infamous presser question?
Haha I was thinking the same thing
I've been thinking the same thing.
Damn CJ.
This is a foolish way to think.
Not CJ's fault, Dubas can answer a question in any way he likes it.
Being a pens fan, I was introduced to Steve through the “Phil Kessel: An Era Wasted” video and have watched just about everything since. I feel like this deserves the sequel treatment. An Era Wasted: Part 2.
This literally is the same
He did it. He did the thing.
Actually me too! And at the time I thought Steve looked a bit liked joffrey lupul which i thought was hilarious
@@wnsbug omg that’s amazing! Now I have soft spot in my heart for the leafs
@@philipmatsick9274 i sawn it 😮 congrats
Bobrovsky saw Carey Price in the 2021 and said "I want to do that"
Jesses previous general managing experiences makes him a suitable replacement for Dubas.
Lol what was it again? Like 30 years as Leafs gm and no cup lol
If you mean Ventura, yes!
I mean, based on the tenure of the "experienced" guys out there insiders are suggesting I'd prefer Jesse's experience.
@William Peterson He'd also be the tallest gm in the league. He can intimidate the others during trades or on the draft floor.
I love me a long ot playoff game! I will always remember as a lightning fan the 5ot clash between Tampa and the jackets in 2020. That game started at 3:00 eastern time and ended around 9;00 lol. I remember staying up late the night before to study for a final and watching that game drained me of my soul but it was so worth it
I started watching this game at home, sneaked watching it through work, got home from work to watch the goal; I’ll never forget that entire day.
I was watching when my power went out….I watched at least 1 OT on FaceTime with a friend haha
As soon as I heard the news, I've been waiting for this podcast, love you guys
21:30 live reaction to the Dubas announcement
Kyle Dubas talk begins at 36:00, not at 21:00 from their timestamp in the description.
21:00 is the breaking news spot.
Dropped as soon as I heard the Dubas news. Y'all are the best
Another example of a high draft pick going back to college was Jonathan Toews. Drafted 3rd overall and played the next year at North Dakota, then joined the Hawks the year after with Patrick Kane. They were both nominated for the Calder the same year
20:50 Okay but a Lyon v Kochetkov ECF would be amazing. They won the Calder together last year with the Chicago Wolves.
Curious if there's going to be another one after the Brendan Shanahan conference where he suggested Dubas basically used his press conference as a bargaining chip to get a better deal..
This is a crossroads moment for the franchise. They either make the right moves, and continue to remain competitive and challenge for a cup for the next 5-8 years at least. Or they royally screw it all up and we are competing for a draft lottery within that same time period
Listening to this podcast for 2 hours is great when I’m sitting down gaming and or play nhl 23
25:28 Wade is fantastic! He did the announcing for the NC State Ice Pack club hockey team. Those were games which started at 11 p.m. at a local ice skating rink which could maybe seat 60 people (though there was standing room for a couple hundred all around the rink). As a State student, it was so cool to hear the Hurricanes in arena announcer calling our club hockey game.
He is very committed to hockey in Raleigh and always does a great job.
Also he looks like Lakitu from Mario Kart.
Nah that guy is annoying
@@drewlally2324 oh you know Wade?
I’ve been to a game there and he seems to be the only PA person in the entire NHL that feels the need to make it about him
I wanted to comment many times during this episode, but I'm glad I got to the palate cleanser of the pencil drawing. Fantastic work.
1:04:45 -- "In Kyle Dubas' five years as Leafs GM, they AVERAGED 106 points."
Game, set, match right there. Regular season success but absolute torturous failure in the postseason, year after year after year after year after year.
Besides being in the basement, the worst feeling as a fanbase is to be good and not live up to your potential. This is where the 2023 Toronto Maple Leafs stand right now.
That's the numbers defence or stats. But you don't win a cup with stats you win with winning rounds. And they couldn't do that here year after year after year.
You look at it, these Leafs are a bit like those Senators teams from the late 90s through 2004. A lot of skill and talent with strong regular seasons with division titles and even a President's Trophy, but struggled in the playoffs. Though even those teams won some playoff rounds and had a very good shot at reaching the finals in 2003 if not for Wade Redden vacating the middle of the ice.
Maple *Laffs
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It's absolutely hilarious that Steve just occasionally inserts "they're gonna win the cup" when they're talking about the Panthers. Please be right.
Out of all teams, They deserve it the least lol
@@thebeatleswin1 The most*
@@thebeatleswin1 beat the record setting bruins they deserve it
@@thebeatleswin1 8th seed, beat the Bruins, Destroy the leaf's, outlast game 1 against the Canes = deserve it the least. Hockey logic.
Dubas talk starts at 36:15
Legend
This proves there are still good people in this world
To be fair (1:36) Quick had a vezina-caliber season in 2012 before that cup run. He should have won it over Lundqvist that year for having comparable if not better stats and playing more minutes on a far worse Kings team that was second last in the league in scoring. I’ll take the two cup runs, especially the W over Lundqvist, but I’ll die on this hill and be salty about it forever.
I gotta agree. Didn't Quick lose something like five or six 1-0 games? That's how bad the offense was.
@@pomerlain8924 Yes! But at least one was an OTL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and he *still* led the league in shutouts. They were second to last in scoring but also second best in goals against lol.
Great timing boys👍Get your application in there Dangle!!
@@FrankD23 🤣🤣🤣
AHHHHH. FINALLY THE beleafer shows his head after this team he believed in crashed out pathetically.
Well my man. im here to tell you that I WAS 1000% RIGHT. SO SHUT UR FACE. 😂
Crosby was not the first exceptional status player, Tavares was. However Crosby inspired it being created. Gave the CHL an idea to get players that were clearly too good to be playing in their local leagues to put them on the fast track to the NHL asap.
The CHL is so far up its own ass man. True "exceptional" status players don't play up there at all.
You’re so wrong. Crosby is older than Tavares, he was exceptional long before JT91 😂
@@arcticmonkey3 Veleno was the first QMJHL player to be granted exceptional status … Crosby never had it.
@@arcticmonkey3 the concept of “exceptional status” literally didn’t exist until Tavares came along. Troll.
This is the case like people thinks that Julius Caesar is the first Emperor (He was never an emperor, only a dictator).
Crosby inspire the "exceptional player status". He was never granted that status as it is not exist during his time.
As a caps fan we made some unpopular moves and it took forever for us to win. Green, varly, Neuvirth, mojo. The only "core" we stuck with was ovi and Backstrom other member of that core were eventually moved on until it worked.
I’m a panthers fan, I’m going to bed in like an hour, it’s 6pm here. What a night last night was. Thanks for covering it a bunch boys.👍🏼
I just straight stayed up to go to work it's been rough but hell yeah GoCats
@@SuPeRnOvAtHeFuNnYmAn haha super impressive I went to bed at 3 and slept until 6. Did end up going to bed at 8:30 too haha. Let’s hope for a regulation win tonight
Adam with an absolutely beautiful prediction about Spezza there.
oh i'm ready for this one turn it up
"You're wasting your time but it's fun." This is life.
About the hits in Panthers-Canes, someone wasn't counting them all, the game was staying physical till the 6th period at least. Throwing big hits over and over again.
Where do they display the regular season cups???
36:25 they begin speaking about Dubas firing
You guys need to do a car-cast pod now after that press conference!
Cale Makar went back to college twice as the 4th overall pick. Said he didn't think his first year was good enough to go straight into the NHL. People wondered if he was going to stall his development by doing it. Here we are now.
1:50:59 made my day
Been waiting since the news this morning lets go
I want a written apology from Adam to Freddy
And from Steve tbh
dont worry the freddie flop will eventually come
Wouldn’t be too worried about Cooley. As a Flyers fan, Gauthier went back to college and there is 0 talk of him not signing. I just imagine Cooley is gonna wait till 2024 for developments sake.
Also, one less year of the Mullett. I'm not one to rip on the team for that, but I can see that being a minor factor in his decision.
It’s exactly what Knies, Power and Beniers did
This aged poorly lol sorry, couldn't resist.
I remember when the second longest (at that point?) game on record happened in Germany in 2008--6 OT periods. Robert Muller, the winning goaltender, saved 96 of 100 shots on goal. Muller had just battled back from a brain tumor the previous year. (Unfortunately, the tumor started growing again that summer and he passed away less than a year later)
It’s kind of funny to watch this without the guys knowing any of what happened at the presser that Shanny had.
Guy rooting for the Goalies reminds me of Richard Ayoade from the show IT Crowd.
To be fair, some of Burke's decisions were good: drafting and sticking with Kadri, trading Schenn for Van Riemsdyk and rafting Reilly.
1:36:06 LMAO that's a Freudian slip if I ever heard one
If there’s one thing we can take away about Dubas it’s that he’s not a very good negotiator
1:49:17 I've been to all of those places, and this is basically The Office meme of "It's the same picture"
The response to the Coyotes vote was exactly what I want from professionals. Nice.
Carolina's affiliate for the past couple of years has been Chicago. They're going back to independent, so who knows what Carolina will do now for an AHL affiliate.
Last year, Charlotte shared affiliation with Seattle and Florida, while being Florida only this year.
@@Reedjohnmiller The change from Charlotte to Chicago was pretty abrupt, but who knows.
Sens fan here...these guys are a better listen than those fake fans over at bardown tsn
Thoughts on the Washington Capitals comparison - Ovi was signed for 1000 years, Backstrom had 10? The reason why they cycled was likely in part because Ovi was almost 19% of the cap. They also could keep running it back with the core 2 were signed for a greater part of a decade. Matthews, Marner & Nylander are UFAs and expecting raises within 5-6 years. You're seeing the leafs cycle through players yes, because they're not winning BUT it's also the nature of the salary capped league when you're top heavy. Capitals didn't win until Ovi's deal aged and he (their highest paid player by some margin when they won) was making ~12% of the increased cap. There is likely something to be said about your salary structure. Leafs have 3 players over 13%.
Caps had the time to wait out their contract choices because of the (now illegal) length of those deals. I'd be curious who the highest % based salaried player to win the cup is.
3:20, The penalties were 8 to 2 in Toronto‘s favour by the end of game two
I think Steve is discounting how good some of the Caps teams that failed. 2010 was a monstrous offensive team (their only issue was they couldn't play shut down d) plus the 2015-17 Trotz teams that set franchise records. Ovis goals don't even need to be mentioned, but their were some huge individual season efforts. Holtby tied MB's single season wins total record.
The expectations for those teams were far bigger than what the leafs have had, which made the disappointment every playoffs that much more painful.
17:13 TNT (the channel the game was broadcasted on in the States) has Wayne Gretzky on during intermissions, Wayne said it was the right call, I’m not arguing with The Great One
Top draft picks who did two years in NCAA-Matty Beniers, Owen Power, Cutter Gauthier, Logan Cooley etc.
pretty sure cale makar did too
21:31 23:53 29:28
Steve looks like Neumann in Mad Magazine in that picture, not Leo LOL
Listening to Steve, it's amazing any team won the Cup. Apparently the cap not going up was a catastrophic event that only prevented the Leafs from winning and nobody else lol
Let's spin the laffs wheel of excuses, aaaaaaand, oh wow it landed on salary cap again!
Yeah, how do one keep using that as sort of an excuse for three really expensive and semi short contracts. GMs don't usually sign 3 guys for 10 million plus per year, why, because since when has it been a winning way to build a team by top loading it something fierce.
Lol he does mention Dubas should have adapted but he didnt and that was his mistake. Why yall tryna spin his words
@@Nathanielhiggerson66 then don't bring it up at all. He signed awful deals. Period.
0:31 I can’t believe I stayed up for that, worst decision ever!
1:26:47 Steve would you have been talking about Andreas Borgman?
Best thing for the Leafs. Time to make hard choices about soft stars. Careful who gets locked up with no trade clauses.
Already? What a legend
The excuses for Dubas are just incredible.
This dropped right as i got to the gym. LFG
21:35 is when the Dubas news drops
Stephan came and skated with my AAA team with some London knights player back in the day. The size and footspeed of your somewhat "avg"nhl player is unbelievable. Trying to pin him to the boards was a nightmare. He probably dosent remember me but I he's a great dude
Pretty sure Tavares was the first one to get the official "exceptional" status. Only been like 5 of them since the rule was created in 05.
I believe the Swedish rookie of the year Steve forgot was Andreas Borgman
Adam-Kiwi, Steve-Apple, And Jesse-Banana. Resolved. LOL
Shanahan insisted they were ready to resign Dubas multiple times. Also indicated he liked his deadline acquisitions. I can absolutely see them retaining the core but using it differently and of course with new support.
The very real question of whether or not a different coach could make this core work is an unanswered one and potentially one they'd like to explore before shipping out some of the most important players this team has ever had. Dubas masterfully crafted trades with pieces we often thought immovable. Whether a new GM could do the same with similar gains I'm not convinced of. Whoever they do hire will have large shoes to fill pleasing the public and media.
This is an unusual situation given how well the team did compared to others firing management. The risk of changing the team enough that they're left fighting for a playoff spot is very real. MLSE is likely raking in more profit than ever before. Jeopardizing the relationship with the fan base by making several questionable, inflammatory decisions will undoubtedly hurt the organization reputationally as well as financially and I suspect will factor into any core decisions.
44:00 ... Fire his guys, his friends. This is the real test he failed.
Demko outperforming this Bob just shows how crazy good he is
When did Demko make 60+ saves I know Saros has done I don’t remember Demko doing it
@@jameson1239 that stat comes from game 6 against Vegas when he had a 48 save shutout
@@BatsCal oh yeah now I remember that
Dubas rejected their offer and to save face they said we decided to let him go
Happens a lot in breakups
glad he was overpaid and over rated as it is . best news of the day !
I thought he said his agent came back with counter offer
That's not how it played out.
Did nothing for the team was handed everything a gm would have ever needed to succeed fell on his face was sad to watch
Wrong. Dubas played around and found out. He could be GM right now but instead decided to play games in the media and blindside the team and then ask for more money. It blew up in his face costing him his job. A brilliant fail of a negotiation strategy if there ever was one.
That quadruple OT game was a masterpiece of a game and Bobrovsky was lights out….I said we would make it to the cup final and we will win this series in 6 games
sad to see spezza leave
Put him in a coffin 😂 love the reference
the other day I walked way out 2 my friends place..... in the country.... When I met up with him, he was busy & I got a ride got dropped off, and walked all the way back.... I google mapped it to see how far I had walked & it was 15.9 kms... I had blisters on both my feet......
Jessie has the same mindset about overtime games as me lol. I wanna see a marathon, the suffering must continue
This feels awful. i really really hope they find a better gm. But i kinda doubt it. Feels like the teams gonna implode and our cup hopes will die. at least we'll get a good spot in the draft?
Steven casually/seriously dropping the Kardinal Offishall at the 36:40 mark.
The pencil drawing of Steve kind of looks like the Mad magazine guy.
Marner for Matty Beniers (I hope I spelled that right) + a prospect and 2 good picks.
So toronto is giving up those prospects and picks? Because seattle isn't going to trade away beniers plus picks and prospects for a guy with 1 year left on his deal.
March 2023: Not winning a single playoff round warrants a contract extension offer and a compliment you are doing an ‘excellent job’ by Shanahan.
21:31
The moment you're here for.
Do we have any plans for the draft episode yet? I was thinking i might go if the boys are in Nashville.
Naz does similar community/charity work to what Steve does and he's a great interview.
If Snoop and his group win the Ottawa bid, I bet Kadri would have some interesting and insightful thoughts on how their plan impacts his organization for example.
1:26:53 Andreas Borgman is your guy!
Find a stupid Gm to give you an upcoming defenceman(Zdeno Chara) 1:43:57 plus a first round pick( Jason Spezza) for a high scoring franchise type player?
Re Cooley: 2 years in college seems to becoming the norm - Knies, Caufield, Power and Beniers all did the 2 years thing and sign the ELC with a few NHL games left in their sophomore year to get it to toll. Since they can negotiate an extension after their 2nd pro year it’s kind of a fast track hack (if they have a good rookie year). They also avoid the nonsense Shane Wright went through
Guys guys - go watch the Kyper and Bourne show today - they discuss this DUBAS firing at a total different angle - Totally opposite of Steve’s take on the Dubas firing … nice to look at both sides of the table - I think Shanahan did the right thing .
Sounds like Kyper may have been right. There were hints Dubas's comments at the press conference (invoking the "family" stuff) may have been a negotiating tactic. As it turns out, he gets his agent to ask for more money after talking about "not being sure if he wants to be GM" and Shanahan called his bluff and sent him home. The Foligno trade was a mistake, but you can't foresee a back injury. The Mrazek signing was a mistake. Signing Tavares was a mistake (likely the biggest, since that's an anchor they might not be able to fix). Then this year's trade deadline where you part ways with Sandin who could have been part of the future of this team, along with a plethora of picks, all for 2 extra playoff wins. This team is loaded with individual talent, but it doesn't work as a team. You could trade Marner, Matthews, Tavares and Nylander to other top teams and any of them could win a cup. But together, on this team, it will never happen. This team appears to have been constructed using rankings and stats. There's little in the way of grit or hard play. No one really fears playing this team, and they should. Think about this, the $11 million they are paying Tavares instead could have gone to Verhaeghe, Bennett and Gudas. What makes a better team, one John Tavares or the combination of Verhaeghe, Bennett and Gudas? Again, this isn't a slight on Tavares, but he isn't what this team needed. Yes, it was a big deal when they signed him, but it was a mistake, and it's a mistake that will be virtually impossible to get out of (since he doesn't appear to want to waive his NMC).
Time to make a body language video of Dubas last press conference 😅
If the Leafs hire Stan Bowman they deserve what they get. Which will be out of the playoffs on a consistent basis or after next year. You think you have it bad now just wait if you hire Stan.
Wow props for the recall from memory that Charlotte was the Hurricanes AHL team...but now they are the Panthers AHL team can't escape them Steve
2:00:04 Adam Holly 😂😂😂😂😂
As Non-Leaf Fan...the FIRST thing the new GM needs to do, is what they've needed to do for YEARS. BALANCE OUT THE SPENDING. You have NO CHOICE. Who's to say that the Leaf's won't be BETTER by trading Matthews or Marner...or BOTH!? I'm assuming Tavares can't be traded (without MASSIVE cap retention).
Pay as you go Butler 😅😂
I think I might be done with the leafs after this. This organization is going to be a mess again now that Dubas is gone. And Shanny shouldn’t have been making decisions anymore.
listen that twitter poll is hilarious, i like AZ's social team. i just wish that team could have success man
Whoever says Kyle Dubas is a good GM doesn't know hockey!
It really bothered me when they were talking about exceptional status and Adam was listing the 15 year old major junior players. Only 7 players have ever gotten actual exceptional status, which was what Steve was referring to. All those other guys I assume were listed on quant hockey as 15 YOs because they played in a season identified as their 15th year? I know they were allowed to draft 15 year olds back then so maybe only a few got pulled up early?
Steve, you said, "Probly the best things Dubas done are away from the Ice". That's incredibly succinct.
Except that hockey is played on the ice not math class or accounting.
“What do you think about the called back goal?”
Leaf fans: “wait we’ve been reliably informed that you can’t call back an OT goal for a penalty…”