umm..it's kinda weird but uhh how smolder kinda works is is that they changed his w cd to be, firstly-ok i am versus a lee sin mid-umm they changed his w cd to be longer early, but one second less at max
Definitely. His Q works too well with sheen procs to not do that. You basically flip the power from Q to W by going AP... and W is longer CD. So you miss out on a lot.
I think the true damage alone is enough to not need lich bane. He needs lich bane for his Q to do something early game only, when Smolder is only good late game. Kind of a waste I believe.
13:20 very fair and honest lee sin gameplay, hits Q, instant 1300 dmg. interactive gameplay + 100% your fault + should've dodged his skillshot every single time + balanced + you do more damage than him if he doesn't hit his Q. GG WP lee
The nerf is specifically targeting smolder bottom's early poke. Rank 1 W hitting 1 champion does -34 dmg and has 1s longer cooldown. Hitting 2 champs does about -30 dmg to each of them, -60 in total.
@@fafnir01 Matter of opinion, but I think he's the worst *designed* champion Riot has released in years, and the only reason he's "in a good place" is because he's been given arbitrary buffs to make him competitive. The kit itself is a mash of awkward mixed with clunky mixed with a goofy theme. And it makes the "ADC" role given to him seem so out of place. Again, matter of opinion, but going from Hwei to Smolder was like falling off a design cliff
That W minion damage nerf is actually pretty useful, since you never oneshot casters with W anymore. You can just always W without worrying about losing q stacks. Although in situations where you just wanna shove fast, it is obviously a bit worse.
Only 4 people being full build at 43 minutes (and three of them being on the enemy team) is kinda crazy, isn’t it? And then Pekin just being hilariously ahead of all of them and being extra full build.
I was thinking, at 28:50 when choosing his last item, because of the burst on enemy team, is it ever the play to go jak'sho last item? (or maybe even sterak's if he built AD?)
Full defensive item probably cuts too much damage from the build imbo (in my Bronze opinion). Maybe Banshee’s? Sterak’s might work, and you wouldn’t be losing out since the passive scales off base AD only. But I wouldn’t go it.
Do you think lich bane would be good on AP smolder? It would proc off Q and benefits from AP ratio, makes the initial damage have a little more pop to help lower down to execute threshold
Haven't finished the video so don't know if Pekin mentions it, but another change they made is that you still get a stack of dragon practice from your Q if the minion dies while the projectile is traveling (see 1:07 for example). Since all five of you are competing for cs it could be a potential extra stack or two per wave at least, even if someone else winds up getting the last-hit.
I find it so funny that riot adds the useless fist bump feature and feel need to urge people to use it with reminders when most ppl just don’t care. I mean we already got emote.
I could see Ziggs doing a build kind of like this. AP Smolder looks like a lot of fun, you know people are going to try running him Support now even though it probably won't be very good.
I think Lich Bane for increasing Q dmg would be better. Also what about grudge? gives lethality, %pen, haste and also a slow, felt like it wud have been better than lord doms
I thought that briefly too but if you think about it: The armor pen on grudge scales with lethality, its weaker than other last whisper items if you don’t have other lethality items. It would have been like 20% and 15 flat instead of 30%, so it would probably have come out even at best on the champs he was building it for and barely better against champs with no armor. Plus his CDR was probably high enough that diminishing returns were kicking in a bit and his W and ult already apply slows which I’m not sure if those stack with grudge (and grudge slow only kicks in if they’re below half which is about when they’re getting finished off by harvest and elder burn anyway) Couple all that with the fact that lord Dom’s gives up to 15% extra damage against high HP targets and I think it’s better than grudge all around. Also the crit has some very minor benefits too. Although I do think Mortal Reminder could have been a better choice than Lord Dom’s or Grudge to deal with Aatrox and Lee Sin healing.
Malignance item description says that it procs off any ultimate damage, not just magic (9:17 for item info). Pekin mentions a little earlier that he doesn’t care about the mr shred.
Respect for Aatrox going afk ,it was that moment "We can end now " and he wanted to end ,the team of nabs ran back and he decided to leave,maximum respect ,deserved ,never carry scrubs like that ,show them who's the alpha and how you can decide their game ,love LOL :D
I like the idea of a caster that builds AP and deals physical/true damage. I just wish it was not some jank they added to a champion with another identity.
This discussion is almost as old as me and I was born in 2004 but... Riftmaker before liandrys in a champion that doesn't fight for that long makes no sense. If it wasn't for the ult cdr even malignance before liandrys would be trolling. Currently you can go malignance with liandrys for first two items and then probably something like lichbane, nashor's tooth and then rabadons... Also zhonias has a zholt in thiz build.
this is kinda throw a bit build, dunno why he get malignance first item when smolder already has mid cd ult not too low not too long. it's not even help much on lane compare to other ap item like liandry or lichbane
Id still go shadowflame cuz the true damage crit and by late game you still deal a decent amount of magic damage from items as well as stacks. Id also go lichbane for all the stats it gives plus a stronger q. To fit in armor pen youd need to drop something and i think it would be the riftmaker.
That's only half true. All of his abilities deal bonus magic damage based on his passive stacks. The base ability damage is physical, but he does bonus magic damage on all three basic abilities. He's kind of like Kai`Sa in that regard, where it's a pretty even mix of damage types.@@greatgatorgaming6024
I am not liking these changes. They are giving way too many AP ratios to a champion that scales infinitely (and they did it because they were nerfing his early, just to compensate). 100% Riot's 200+ year balance team is gonna see how busted he is next patch, and gut all of his AP ratios or nerf him into nonexistence, like it happened with Zeri. I fucking hate it when they give us cool champ concepts, only to make them busted by buffing some random aspect of their ratios and then making them virtually unplayable because of how incompetent they are at balancing the damn game. Edit: to be clear, I love Smolder's concept and I am having a blast playing him mid. The thing is that Riot's balance team is trying to make him JUST go adc and not top or mid by nerfing his solo early game, and it's ended up in (yet again) a completely playable character mid, which might be even overtuned for next patch. Since Riot's balance team doesn't fucking know what they are doing, chances are Smolder's gonna end up gutted because they do NOT know what the fuck to do with him (again, like it happened to Zeri).
This champion is in shambles from the beginning... no wonder Riot fired the guy who designed him.. I mean he probably knew what was coming and decided to troll a bit before being let go. Just look at his scalings, look at his dmg?? Does that look like an adc to you? Something even funnier- have you noticed the absurd names of his spells? "Achoo" "Flap, Flap, Flap" "Mom" 😂😂😂 like srsly 0 thought was put into making him I can guarantee you that.
Twitter and Reddit: OMG THESE NERFS ARE SO DUMB Pekin and me: Pretty sure W does more damage to champions now if you hit multiple champions in a cluster. They also just straight up buffed AD scaling on it to disincentivize the liandry's builds. The reduced initial damage on W is also a straight up buff because it prevents W from oneshotting the wave, so you don't miss stacks just for pushing. People are like "ERMAGERD WAVECLEAR NERF" but it's legitimately a straight up buff to W Q stacking. They also straight up buffed Q projectile scaling. A lot of people are just reading the "Doran's Ring level 1 W does less damage to the wave" part of the change and freaking out over it.
mmm, idk, if whats needed to be viable is 1 dc on the enemy team, and long fights where all your team has to help u get W's, and then going like 15 kills in... idk man xd other champs can carry harder by themselves, just saying, your Q was miserable almost all game long xd, ure like a worst AP Kogmaw, at least he can use Q and W, and E succesfully beside with full ap. Not hating on you, is just trying to bring the copium back a little bit, seems like if u were AD that game, things would turn easier for your team lul
@5:13 "Mom is pretty big It almost fills up this whole entire corrider " HAHA
Hey everybody welcome to the next commentary. Today we are playing some smolder mid against syndra on the PBE.
So we're playing on the test realm because there have been some changes, and I wanted to go over them.
So we're playin on the test realm because theres have been some changes and I wanted to go over them.
There’re mostly adjustments, I wouldn’t really even call them buffs
@@SkigoOSRS They're mostly adjustments i wouldn't even call them buffs, except for, it seems to be, an AP buff.
umm..it's kinda weird but uhh how smolder kinda works is is that they changed his w cd to be, firstly-ok i am versus a lee sin mid-umm they changed his w cd to be longer early, but one second less at max
I love hearing " Mom is pretty big " 😂
I have no mom anymore😔
Yo mama so fat
Another thing you didn't talk about that AP smolder benefits from is the healing from mom, it's a 75% AP ratio with no AD ratio.
Lich bane, if you're going full ap. It makes the q actually do something.
Definitely. His Q works too well with sheen procs to not do that. You basically flip the power from Q to W by going AP... and W is longer CD. So you miss out on a lot.
Honestly there might even be value in getting a nashors as well with how the champ functions
Is q on hit? If not, it's not safe to auto at all
yeah, his Q counts as an auto, ever works with rapid fire@@defrte
I think the true damage alone is enough to not need lich bane. He needs lich bane for his Q to do something early game only, when Smolder is only good late game. Kind of a waste I believe.
13:20 very fair and honest lee sin gameplay, hits Q, instant 1300 dmg. interactive gameplay + 100% your fault + should've dodged his skillshot every single time + balanced + you do more damage than him if he doesn't hit his Q. GG WP lee
Even worse Is 30:10
Wow, so funny, aatrox hit 2 Qs and an auto and did 2.2k damage, so funny
Yeah some champs are just kept really strong no matter what
The nerf is specifically targeting smolder bottom's early poke. Rank 1 W hitting 1 champion does -34 dmg and has 1s longer cooldown. Hitting 2 champs does about -30 dmg to each of them, -60 in total.
Thanks for posting this when I'm sick, now whenever smolder w's, I can smolder w IRL as well!
Hot take: They should just make Smolder a mage and be done with it
Yes a midlaner and it will be perfect
? Why would they change anything. He's in a great spot the way he is.
@@fafnir01 Matter of opinion, but I think he's the worst *designed* champion Riot has released in years, and the only reason he's "in a good place" is because he's been given arbitrary buffs to make him competitive. The kit itself is a mash of awkward mixed with clunky mixed with a goofy theme. And it makes the "ADC" role given to him seem so out of place.
Again, matter of opinion, but going from Hwei to Smolder was like falling off a design cliff
He's an ad mage with forced crit mechanics
I dont see a point of making new champ then…
That W minion damage nerf is actually pretty useful, since you never oneshot casters with W anymore. You can just always W without worrying about losing q stacks. Although in situations where you just wanna shove fast, it is obviously a bit worse.
It didn’t one shot casters before, and now it has no pressure early game. Huge nerf
@@dragen3463 if you went ap it did
Only 4 people being full build at 43 minutes (and three of them being on the enemy team) is kinda crazy, isn’t it? And then Pekin just being hilariously ahead of all of them and being extra full build.
I was thinking, at 28:50 when choosing his last item, because of the burst on enemy team, is it ever the play to go jak'sho last item? (or maybe even sterak's if he built AD?)
Full defensive item probably cuts too much damage from the build imbo (in my Bronze opinion). Maybe Banshee’s?
Sterak’s might work, and you wouldn’t be losing out since the passive scales off base AD only. But I wouldn’t go it.
Smolder's mama so big she fills up the entire corridor
Do you think lich bane would be good on AP smolder? It would proc off Q and benefits from AP ratio, makes the initial damage have a little more pop to help lower down to execute threshold
it works great with lichbane but I wouldnt build it as first item. Liandrys then lichbane, riftmaker etc.
Reminds me of old AP Zeri. That was my favorite build of all time
AP Smolder was already super strong in ARAM. Can't wait for the buffs.
Haven't finished the video so don't know if Pekin mentions it, but another change they made is that you still get a stack of dragon practice from your Q if the minion dies while the projectile is traveling (see 1:07 for example). Since all five of you are competing for cs it could be a potential extra stack or two per wave at least, even if someone else winds up getting the last-hit.
I find it so funny that riot adds the useless fist bump feature and feel need to urge people to use it with reminders when most ppl just don’t care. I mean we already got emote.
I could see Ziggs doing a build kind of like this. AP Smolder looks like a lot of fun, you know people are going to try running him Support now even though it probably won't be very good.
Spear of So Jhin 😮
I like the music on the main channel.
I think Lich Bane for increasing Q dmg would be better. Also what about grudge? gives lethality, %pen, haste and also a slow, felt like it wud have been better than lord doms
I thought that briefly too but if you think about it:
The armor pen on grudge scales with lethality, its weaker than other last whisper items if you don’t have other lethality items. It would have been like 20% and 15 flat instead of 30%, so it would probably have come out even at best on the champs he was building it for and barely better against champs with no armor.
Plus his CDR was probably high enough that diminishing returns were kicking in a bit and his W and ult already apply slows which I’m not sure if those stack with grudge (and grudge slow only kicks in if they’re below half which is about when they’re getting finished off by harvest and elder burn anyway)
Couple all that with the fact that lord Dom’s gives up to 15% extra damage against high HP targets and I think it’s better than grudge all around. Also the crit has some very minor benefits too.
Although I do think Mortal Reminder could have been a better choice than Lord Dom’s or Grudge to deal with Aatrox and Lee Sin healing.
5:34 when i use my WHAT now???
Pekin pls play AP-helios. Its OP I swear
Love your videos Pekin! Keep posting! Pekin woof 1 million subscribers!
First game nobody had antiheal against aatrox and lee sin hello??
Can you still stack masks?
This season feels so full of burst damage it’s crazy
What's the song in the background? I need to know it for my sanity, I know I've played that game.
does the true damage burn proc rylais, cleaver, comet cooldown, conqueror, or anything like that?
so after some adjustments pekin is playing the new adc full ap mid with w max. tell me where i've heard this before ...
It's funny how Pekin goes from hating Smolder to playing Smolder between his videos
Would lichbane work with this build or is it all focused on w
I'd think that malignance doesn't work with smolder, as his R deals only physical damage right?
Malignance item description says that it procs off any ultimate damage, not just magic (9:17 for item info). Pekin mentions a little earlier that he doesn’t care about the mr shred.
You can see it trigger the most enormous Malignance field at 47:16 🤯
It doesn't care about damage type
@@decidueyezealot8611 yeah, not anymore.
Achoo can deal more dmg
me : Achoo (sneeze)
reporter : one person was able to infect 1000 person with corona v
Respect for Aatrox going afk ,it was that moment "We can end now " and he wanted to end ,the team of nabs ran back and he decided to leave,maximum respect ,deserved ,never carry scrubs like that ,show them who's the alpha and how you can decide their game ,love LOL :D
I like the idea of a caster that builds AP and deals physical/true damage.
I just wish it was not some jank they added to a champion with another identity.
Its basically just anti-corki, who builds mostly ad to deal magic damage
Problem is his itemization is still a bit awkward. But yes I believe his intended design is to be reverse Corki. You gain nothing from building AD
Love your videos Pekin!
QUANTUM SAYS HE HATES ALL ZOE PLAYERS
I wonder how much bane might fit this build with all that ap
did you know that you can shoot mom backwards so it hits enemies "faster"
Man, I wish everyone would build like this when I'm playing Aatrox
Waiting for the day when Pekin says Spear of Shojin correctly
And for you to type correctly correctly
@@Furdonkulous oh my god that’s so embarrassing I’m deleting my comment
@@Furdonkulous IT WAS 6AM LEAVE ME ALONE 😭😭
Pekin and his AP addiction :)
Isn't he good with lichbane?
Aatrox enabled Hardcore mode.
Good comment; needs more 👍
This discussion is almost as old as me and I was born in 2004 but...
Riftmaker before liandrys in a champion that doesn't fight for that long makes no sense. If it wasn't for the ult cdr even malignance before liandrys would be trolling.
Currently you can go malignance with liandrys for first two items and then probably something like lichbane, nashor's tooth and then rabadons... Also zhonias has a zholt in thiz build.
Oh and also you can just go liandriz into the mask and not finish riftmaker until later. I would have to test but that's probably better!
Oh I really like the armor pen at the end!
this is kinda throw a bit build, dunno why he get malignance first item when smolder already has mid cd ult not too low not too long. it's not even help much on lane compare to other ap item like liandry or lichbane
Nuclear bomb vs coughing baby? Why not both? Introducing smolder;
I think I'm going to build him AP as well, seems fun.
Funny how you're dead after every other E in fights 😅
Lee was sweating early game while Pekin casually explains changes. Gotta love this guy
Why is no one buying anti heal
why is noone talking about the banger SIMS backround music?!
Dare we say it, that W hits like a Lux laser
'mom is pretty big' - pekin
30 mins in and Volibear has 1 item.
Pekin!!! I keep hearing sims music in the back 👀 are you a fan of the series???!!!
Happy valentines day pookie
Kind of annoyed with the change on w cd. Takes away the 3 points in w into q max thats made him feel bearable
Id still go shadowflame cuz the true damage crit and by late game you still deal a decent amount of magic damage from items as well as stacks. Id also go lichbane for all the stats it gives plus a stronger q. To fit in armor pen youd need to drop something and i think it would be the riftmaker.
Pekin was really not focused on cs'ing this game
Sorry for this but didn’t understand why you don’t go pen.
Building ap items on smolder increases his damage but it is still physical damage so magic pen does nothing
That's only half true. All of his abilities deal bonus magic damage based on his passive stacks. The base ability damage is physical, but he does bonus magic damage on all three basic abilities. He's kind of like Kai`Sa in that regard, where it's a pretty even mix of damage types.@@greatgatorgaming6024
There's have been some changes, y'all!
Bless you *hands tissue*
I am not liking these changes. They are giving way too many AP ratios to a champion that scales infinitely (and they did it because they were nerfing his early, just to compensate). 100% Riot's 200+ year balance team is gonna see how busted he is next patch, and gut all of his AP ratios or nerf him into nonexistence, like it happened with Zeri.
I fucking hate it when they give us cool champ concepts, only to make them busted by buffing some random aspect of their ratios and then making them virtually unplayable because of how incompetent they are at balancing the damn game.
Edit: to be clear, I love Smolder's concept and I am having a blast playing him mid. The thing is that Riot's balance team is trying to make him JUST go adc and not top or mid by nerfing his solo early game, and it's ended up in (yet again) a completely playable character mid, which might be even overtuned for next patch. Since Riot's balance team doesn't fucking know what they are doing, chances are Smolder's gonna end up gutted because they do NOT know what the fuck to do with him (again, like it happened to Zeri).
Crazy to see the childish mental boom tantrum on the enemy team for once
would lichbane be bad?
Dark harvest game, let's go!
5:35 plap
This Karma in game 2...does she not no how to back off? my god, she just kept getting caught and caught.
I rather have Smolder buffed as ADC, not as annoying AP...
*Smolders mom still cast if he dies* Jarvin is rolling in his grave.
2:07 would be amazing if you said "and you sneeze on them" instead.
the "fist bump" feature is so cheesy, oof
Do not buy ap pot. Buy ad pot it gives physical vamp!
No cannon minions were harmed in the making of this video, love the video btw
ap smolder but didnt start w ? lol nice vid tho
I cheered when he used tp
BUFFS????
would have procced DH that you dont have XD
This champion is in shambles from the beginning... no wonder Riot fired the guy who designed him.. I mean he probably knew what was coming and decided to troll a bit before being let go. Just look at his scalings, look at his dmg?? Does that look like an adc to you? Something even funnier- have you noticed the absurd names of his spells? "Achoo" "Flap, Flap, Flap" "Mom" 😂😂😂 like srsly 0 thought was put into making him I can guarantee you that.
pekin: "I have no mom anymore though"
pekin's mom crying in the corner
Twitter and Reddit: OMG THESE NERFS ARE SO DUMB
Pekin and me: Pretty sure W does more damage to champions now if you hit multiple champions in a cluster.
They also just straight up buffed AD scaling on it to disincentivize the liandry's builds.
The reduced initial damage on W is also a straight up buff because it prevents W from oneshotting the wave, so you don't miss stacks just for pushing. People are like "ERMAGERD WAVECLEAR NERF" but it's legitimately a straight up buff to W Q stacking.
They also straight up buffed Q projectile scaling.
A lot of people are just reading the "Doran's Ring level 1 W does less damage to the wave" part of the change and freaking out over it.
thats real low elo instead of ending ur they were farming at 40mints wtf
mooooooom!
I hope Peki wins
fish
mmm, idk, if whats needed to be viable is 1 dc on the enemy team, and long fights where all your team has to help u get W's, and then going like 15 kills in... idk man xd
other champs can carry harder by themselves, just saying, your Q was miserable almost all game long xd, ure like a worst AP Kogmaw, at least he can use Q and W, and E succesfully beside with full ap.
Not hating on you, is just trying to bring the copium back a little bit, seems like if u were AD that game, things would turn easier for your team lul
Yo
Woof
tell me why an ap ADC can out damage a real mage like Viktor, Rito is so dumb sometimes
Dumbest voli build... complains about losing to aatrox smh
First
Nuh uh
@@soiscrs I'm a child of god of course I'm the first
Were u tired? Terrible gameplay! Sorry bro
lol wtf
Happy Valentine’s Day