Chicony KB-5160AT review (Cherry MX White)
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Skip to 10:19 for a typing demonstration.
Today we're going to look at a vintage offering from Chicony with a rather elusive type of Cherry MX switch; MX white! It's high time I covered these. Hope you enjoy the video! :)
Intro by Kyle Carter
Outro by Facundo Cabanne
My keyboard reviews: bit.ly/1TbOtft
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My unboxing videos: bit.ly/2TSrr0m
I'm Thomas and I do videos and reviews on mechanical keyboards ranging from the most sickening modern RGB gaming keyboards to vintage hardware relics, or sometimes keycaps or keyswitches ranging from Cherry MX to Alps SKCM to IBM buckling springs and anything in between.
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The practice sentence was: "Hello my name is Thomas and I'm typing on a Chicony KB-5160AT right now. I'm really curious to see what will come of this sentence considering it chatters so much!"
10 mins of man attacking everyone in every video. 10/10 would recommend.
He is the postal dude. May you sign my petition?
@@Puxi Look, just sign the petition, alright?
That's cool and all but will you sign my petition?
@@defaultusername4203 Look, is it gonna be you, or will it be your surviving family members?
@@Chyrosran22 *screams while running away
My dad and I toured a super old (but still in service as a sixth grade) school a while ago. It was built in the really early 1900s. While we were wandering around in the basement with the old boilers, pipes everywhere, and dirt floors all around, there was a whole computer setup tucked away in the corner on a desk. It was a 386! Had a wireless inferred mouse, nice monitor, and one of these keyboards! I later got with the super intendant and asked what his plans where with that setup.
He said he’ll just grab it and give it to me! After I picked it up, I was in awe of how good the keyboard felt and sounded. Nothing like I’ve ever heard or felt! Turns out it’s full of Blue Alps switches!! The board is in perfect condition, although some keys are worn a bit smoother than others, everything works perfectly! Even survived being in a dirty basement for over 20 years I reckon. I bought an AT to PS/2 adapter and I occasionally bring it out and play with it! Such a cool board with amazing switches!!
Computer works perfectly as well, turbo button and all! I does have OS/2 installed, so it’s a little out of my expertise but one of these days I’ll bring it out and fiddle with it.
Hell yeah, that sounds awesome. Glad that school was kind enough to give it to you. Normally they get them recycled or something.
@@SockyNoob Thanks! It's definitely a treasure of mine for sure!
@@ReaganReese I wish schools around here had basements with old stuff like that. Unfortunately water aquifers make it darn near impossible to have basements in the deep south, so schools definitely don't have tons of space to cram old stuff away afaik. Otherwise I would have begged to see if they had old stuff. I asked and they said none as old as I was looking for :/
and I've now watched every single review and teardown
CONGRATULATIONS!
You have reached the end of keyboards.
What have you learned?
@@juchecatgirl too much
i've basically become my friends' go to for keyboard stuff now
Came for the shit-talk on imperial units, stayed for the shit-talk on Cherry. :3
And the shit talk about modern gamers hating themselves and using bad keyboards. I kinda expected that when I read "Cherry", tbh. Was not disappoint. :P
imperial is better i hate metric
@@animegamingdude whatever floats your boat, mate.
I came for the best "HHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIDEOUS"
Truly an excellent one this time. I heard some clipping in the audio.
@@gyozakeynsianism indeed. Probably the best one to date.
Astonishing revelation! Till today I thought the sleeve on MX blues/greens was just meant to make the click. Then Whites dampened it by greasing, which did not make much sense to me. Now I understand that the sound is actually a byproduct. Thank you very much!😊
Hysteresis is great for accurate typing, which is why I love Topre which has an actual properly functioning implementation unlike Cherry. Capacitive switches can have firmware programmed hysteresis and will never chatter.
I personally didn't mind switches with hysteresis for osu!
didn't feel like it had any impact on Gameplay and mx blues at least had one of the best performances for me personally
although that was like 3 years ago and i hate that switch nowadays and went to good aftermarket linears
2:32 That's the strongest *H I D E O U S* noise I've ever heard.
Hi I’m the furious osu crowd
same
So which do you prefer, linears or tactiles?
@@jacobm2625 Tactile Gang rise up
Linears are somewhat good for fast streams for me considering I can just mash it but tactile really takes the cake when it comes to jumps as it gives me a physical feel to keep my tempo
Came for the keyboard review, stayed for the wonderful roasts.
I love how i can click on any of your videos (even the really old ones) and have a good time with each one. Great content as always, very informative. Nice watch btw!
The osu crowd smh
tfw stream training with blues sounds like a guitar hero controller
@@aldenkaiser248 guitar hero controllers actually used Alps SKBM switches, so I guess it would sound more similar with those.
@@CaptainShovelHead my mind was just blown learning that
@@CaptainShovelHead say sike
@@CaptainShovelHead nah, they used an Alps-like clone switch that's incompatible to real Alps due to the legs being different. But they're very similar to white Alps otherwise. deskthority.net/wiki/YH-B_switch
Every time I see one of those vintage pre-windows key keyboards, I always wonder what were the people designing it thinking when leaving a space between the spacebar or alt keys and the control keys? Couldn't they put a key with some random use there or something, or there's a purpose for not having a key there?
Everytime Thomas posts a new video, I hope and pray to see the video prefaced with "WANING", but I suppose this will have to do.
That ARROW logo looks so damn good
tbh in osu i prefer linear switches because i can stay more consistent. but it’s just my opinion
Ain't nobody needin' no stinkin' metric units or nothin'.
Now that's the biggest HIIIIDEOUS ever made in all the videos you made haha
you know when the HIIIIDEOUS is coming when he suddenly sucks all the oxygen out of the room
its always a good day when the keyboard man uploads
YES! Love waking up to new Chyros
I just found a early 80s (all clear) vintage white as an internal reset switch on a mint condition typewriter I bought of a flewmarket. It doesn't click at all. I think the lubricant is intact and I think it hasn't been activated a lot.
If you want I can send it over so that you can try it out and make a video on it. Funnily the typewriter also came with some thick pbt dye sub caps, that I think were made by cherry or gmk.
I find it funny that Cherry tried to get rid of some of the noise and then they later on make the "RGB Nature Whites" which are.. linear.
Edit: furious osu crowd member
can't believe you called me out twice in this video as a rhythm game player and as a linux user
Haha I wasn't really calling out the Osu players I think, just saying the statement applies to them xD .
Would you like some NOS whites? I managed to pick up a batch from digikey a few years or so ago that will never get used. Could send them your way?
Will you be taking a look at the wooting HE keyboards? They started making hall effect switches on top of their optical switches, hence HE.
I'd love to hear a review of any MX keeb with 0:39 voice tone. XD
chyrosran mentioning osu in a video is the most bizarre thing ive ever heard
Did you ever review Box Jades, or am I a crazy person? I can't find it anywhere in the channel but I swear I remember you reviewing it
I have this keyboard but no cherry switches inside :( It has some weird blue switches which dont evn fit cherry keycaps
im an osu fellow here, tell me chyrosran22 please, what is the best and fastest switch for osu? im using cherry mx reds
Honestly, at the speeds at which you guys are playing, I don't think I'd even notice a keyfeel at all xD . MX reds sound as good as anything, I think!
@@Chyrosran22 well yeah when you're streaming in osu (constant clicking of circles in row) u dont even feel the keys
u just lightly vibrate then if the speed is extreme so yeah
Looking at the blue Cherry diagram, I think a rubber coating on the exterior of the click jacket as well as lube would fix some of what makes cherries so annoying. Thoughts?
That woud just make them vintage whites, I guess.
Actually, someone I saw doing a restoration of an old g80-3000 awhile back and they lubed the blues after cleaning them. He said they felt like browns.
Would the Chicony kb 2961 be worth a video?
I didn't know cherry white had a dampened click, even if I have one that I bought to test! I supposed they are just a little stiffer cherry blues, as if you don't listen really carefully they sound really similar (at least lose switches) but the white is a little heavier. The difference from cherry blue is really slight, probably the ones you have in that keyboard are not that different from new ones. Also I opened one but I didn't see any lube (on both slider+jacket and housing), but swapping the slider on a blue housing made it still less rattly, even if holding the bare white and blue slider and shaking them they sound really similar.
Have your thought about doing a review on the NovelKeys Sherbet switch? It could be a fun review, they are a click bar clicky switch similar to Box Jade, however not nearly as insane. Linus Tech Tips rated it ‘Best clicky switch’ in a blind taste test. I personally like them over Jades and Pinks, but they are quite polarising.
He's back!
Spirit of the Old School lives only in contactless keyboards.
Imperial units: "Yay tall... by about... yay long."
Haha, one of my mates in the UK used to say that a lot xD .
After (during) watching this I removed a keycap to see that nub on the MX Blue switch. Neat. If Only this K95 was easy to open up and dampen.
The Wilford Brimley inclusion is a pretty advanced reference to very idiomatically American thing... it'd be like somebody in the U.S. making a Benny Hill joke. Or maybe not quite. Anyway.. bravo
RUclips Recommends! xD
I do wonder when is Thomas going to review something with NMB "Space Invader" switches. Haven't heard about them in a very long time...
@Peter Mortensen Didn't notice I made a typo, thanks for pointing it out!
Notably, MX White switches have an identical actuation force to MX Green switches…
80 grams.
Actually osu players would like switches with hysteresis cause the lack of it would make it too easy to accidentally actuate a switch more than once, leading to the game basically failing them by not allowing them to hit the rest of the notes, a mechanic in the game called notelock.
Could you review a preonic
I still don't understand why they left gaps in the bottom row until Winkeys came around. Some companies were smart and either gave you a bigger spacebar or bigger ctrl and alt keys. Those gaps trigger OCD I swear.
I like them tbh. Makes it easier to find Ctrl and Alt. I once reviewed a BTC where they had squished the two together and I didn't like it at all, it was VERY confusing!
@@Chyrosran22 on the NEC APC-H412, the ctrl and alt keys are huge plus the spacebar is as well. I've never had an issue finding them tbh.
I have a modern (2015 or 2016 cant remember) Cherry mx white keyboard idk why
And, what became of the typind demo sentence?
I have heard Cherry's modern MX Whites are a little better and more consistent than the old ones. Maybe you can put them in that hot swap board of yours some day.
Modern white/milk switches use an 80g spring, so there's that.
Hmmmmm Wilford Brimley played Dr. Harold Smith in Remo Williams the Adventure Begins...providing a link to Chiun, Master of Sinanju....could this be historical evidence that the Keyboard Kata was originally from Sinanju?
In any case, great job as always Tom many thanks :D
Ah, I see you got the reference! xD
Did Chicony use the SEGA font for their logo on the box?
Haha, now you mention it, they are quite similar! xD
Ordered a batch of MX whites around a year ago they were terrible. Something clearly went wrong with the QC of the whites as they were super incosistent (read a lot of forum posts with the similar problem going back as far as 2012 so it's clearly a widespread issue), around a third of them didn't click at all. The ones that had the clicky sound fluctuated between common blues and what I assume was intended to be the white (and those were quite nice). Swapped them out to box navys just better in every way.
If you still have them, could you check what colour the spring is? MX Whites were retooled along with the other Cherry switches a while ago, and at least in my experience, the retooled switches don't have inconsistency issues. You can identify retooled switches by their bronze coloured springs.
@@WrenFJ I have them somewhere will check. Heard about the retooling and that it should fix the problem but the place I ordered from said that these were the retooled ones, who knows.
Still, even if they would work box navys just superior. Not to mention they are cheaper and easy to find, it is a bit hard to get whites.
@@sandorbence2067 I personally prefer the retooled whites, I've used them in my daily driver 60% since 2017. But I can see why navies can be preferred :)
That spacebar sure is crunchy
I love the MX blue sound
Your crazy. Alps blue and buckling springs are infinity better
@@gearsgamer7115 I like buckling springs and mx blue.
@@KillerSpoon575 mx blue is rattley and tinny, it isn't clicky by definition. It's so bad and high pitched and gross
@@gearsgamer7115 I mean I like buckling springs and mx blues. I don't know what the acoustics on your setup are like or how good your hearing is, but I can barely hear the distinct parts in my mx blues like that.
@@KillerSpoon575 just listen to c22's video. I think you genuinely have some form of hearing damage, beacuse every mx blue keyboard I hear it's very obvious that it's plasticity. My hearing is all very good. I think you just can't hear it, i mean. Really, it's extremely loud and obvious just look at cheystoran22's video on mx blue sound test, it is blatantly obvious. His microphone seems extremely good beacuse It sounds exactly like real life on some of the boards he has
My aucustic setup is wildly different, it's like the big standard house.
Me looking at the mirror: Nooice
Girl looking at me: 2:32
hey Chyrosran22 if ya ever run out of keyboards to review I bought mine for $4.00 (US) and its lasted me about 2 years now... anyways I got it from amazon and this is the description:
Rii RK100 3 Colors LED Backlit Mechanical Feeling USB Wired Multimedia Office Keyboard For Working or Primer Gaming, Office Device
and yes its not 4.00$ anymore because that day I bought it it was on sale.
This is actually the same as my daily driver board but mine seems to be rebranded as OEMMAX and has blue alps and it has a steped ctrl key
Could you please review the x keys xk macropad
I keep watching your vids just to hear you say Noice and Hidddddeeeeeous!
"Now before the pendants go all…"
Was that on purpose?
Yes, it's kind of an ongoing in-joke, it led to the whole "waning" thing xD .
Thats a long spacebar holy moly
the osu crowd. ok thomas.
eeewww that's actually a MX Clear 🤯
Your icon reminds me of one of my friend's fursona I swear lol.
@Chicony KB-5160AT
_"What a piece of junk!"_
_""She'll make point-five past light speed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid."_
Too bad to hear the Greece is failing to prevent chatter, maybe try Bulgaria or Hungary next time?
Just paid a pretty penny for a Chicony 5161 that I thought had Blue Alps in it, only to find a keycap puller and discover I overpaid for Omron switches instead. While they're in "excellent" feeling condition, which is why I thought they were blue alps, several of the keys don't work.
I'm at fault but I'm so annoyed Chicony didn't ever make an easy way to differentiate their keyboards' switch options.
I just had the reverse last week: asked the seller of a 5160 to send me a photo of the switches, and he sent me back a picture of Blue Alps, but added the picture to the eBay listing too! When I went to hit Buy It Now, it was already gone, maybe 15 minutes after the picture went up. I still look at it regretfully in my watchlist of Ended items.
@@tristramneal2282 oh God I'm so sorry. That's arguably worse. I paid Blue Alps price for a shitty keyboard but the money went to a recycler I've gotten great deals at so I took the loss on this one. But I hate the feeling of looking at ended listings that got away.
I'm not surprised they don't work. Omrons are just unbelievably unreliable xD .
@@Chyrosran22 Hehe my knowledge gained from you that Omrons are really unreliable is what stopped me pulling the trigger on the (Blue Alps) 5160 before seeing a switch photo. The hunt goes on. Must check phone every 5 minutes, not 10. Could be the difference...
@@Chyrosran22 I referred back to your review of Omrons to see if I could fix them, only to find out they break for no reason and opening them up requires desoldering them. Figured I'd take the loss on the chin at that point.
I bet they used the switches that they could get cheap.
Yes, without a doubt.
6:25 Ice cream and apple pie
i love your videos
"...Because whites proceeded clears"
Isn't it the other way around? : )
No, whites preceded clears.
@@Chyrosran22 Ok. My mistake
@@offbrandbiscuit I always have some difficulties using those words some times.
DAYA-BEETUS
I have to mention that 99.99% of unix users that are still alive will really hate the "unix layout" of Ctrl-where-Caps-is because there is zero benefit from having it there nowadays, and people who are used to it are dead. like, literally they just died of age.
ofc you have people who think they're cool when they buy a brand-new keyboard with that layout, but any area has that
@@davestephens3246 many modern unix (linux) users use win key and alt in similar amounts to ctrl, which are also often unfortunately placed for ergonomics in many combinations. I think it's impossible to get away from some modifier combinations being bad ergonomically with any layout. That being said, rebinding Caps is very popular (by far the most common key to remap) as for many people (me included) it's basically completely unused and in a very useful spot. I rebind it to Esc which is the most common I think, especially if you use Vim bindings, but Ctrl probably has a decent amount of people who aren't using standard Vim bindings.
@@davestephens3246 you use the pinky in both cases, given we're using Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V.
btw, these are Windows-hotkeys, hardly any Unix-system used this kind of Copy-Paste in the 80s, Ctrl+C is historically the cancel-command, used to cancel operations and later, to kill the program running in the foreground
I love the location of CTRL on the "unix layout." I find it easier for word processing and proning in games
2:30 That’s what you are here for.
Bruhhhh i was playing osu while listening to this in the background
YES
MX Whites are cool!
Average Blue switch fans : 🥱
Average Blue switch enjoyers : 🧔
Both suck
Still prefer my Red Linear switches. Smooth, no clicky noise, and are very easy to both type and game on! Started off on clicky blues, and after a while, I got so sick of that sound. Moved up to this keyboard, the SteelSeries Apex 7, and it's been like night and day in comparison! Clicky blues got me into mechanical keyboards, but I love the Red switches!
8:23 UNIX 4ever __)__
The thing that IBM AT, Sun Type 3/HHKB (UNIX layout), DEC LK layouts got right: the CTRL position.
A thing that both Vi and Emacs both agree on, because it's a commonly used modifier, and reaching it on a standard 101 layout can be relatively painful if you touchtype
I'm here to represent the *nix users and I have nothing to add.
sounds like hatefulness
what do cherry whites sound like with grease?
Epic
Furious osu crowd.
I have similar XT keyboard, also Cherry MX White... But as i am not a fan to XT-s at all i prefer AT ones, so i could use them on my modern system, so i will sell/ trade this one, or if not i will just get a Cherry G80-1000 keyboard with blacks, and solder these MX White instead, as i have MX Black on a G80-1000.....
imgur.com/a/ukhCcq5
These here are my own ones that i use as daily drivers... Just want to get my hands on a Zenith keyboard and NorthGate Omnikey 101, an NBM Space Invaders and MAYBE IBM Model F AT, but i prefer more the ones before the Model F...
imgur.com/a/y2jKS1h
Guess if i dont find ones for cheap, i have the option to go to Thomas brake in his house and get 1 NorthGate, 1 Zenith and 1 NBM and a Model F AT...
These sound like Outemu knockoffs despite being Cherry MX.
i didnt get the diabetes joke.
It's okay. Not everyone has it in the US.
@@jGRite It's a reference to a Wilford Brimley video.
Wilford Brimley would like to talk to you about ｄｉａｂｅｅｔｕｓ．
Want an MX White?
Take an MX Blue and spray it with lithium grease.
Don't actually do this...
@@LaskyLabsthis didn’t work
As a Linux/Unix user, it’s safe to say I am weird UwU~
I did like the imperial units this time. But this video could have used some spaghetti.
2:30 HIDEOUS
Who tf plays osu with blues?!
Aterna used to, and he could stream 330 bpm
@@Droben aetrna*
Mmhmm thats actually cherry mx clear
Needs more click... Not enough Clicky... This is not acceptable !
Nice keeb, not so nice switches
999 likes and 9 dislikes, lol
I prefer bland looking keyboards, no bells and whistles needed.
ADOFAI is the superior press as fast as you can rhythm game obviously superior to osu
The whites sound like cheap blues to me.
it gets repetitive..
AAAAAA
smh it's cherry milk, inaccurate