The PRO IMPACT Position - Golftec Week 2 - Golf Test Dummy
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Hi, Chad. The main point is reducing the hip turn in backswing and more hip turn and chest open during impact position?
Up to this point, yes. That's what we're working on.
Can you do a brief summary at the end, i get lost if there is too much talk/chatter/waffle, yer everyone is different in being able to absorb what is being said. i luuve the KIS principle.
I'll be curious to see how this goes for you, but I can tell it's already looking promising. I bought 10 Golftec lessons last month, and quit after 3 and got a refund. I kept injuring myself trying to get into the positions the coach wanted. I kept telling him I'm a 48 year old novice and not a 20 year old "tour pro" who started playing when they were 5, but it didn't seem to matter. They have a script to follow apparently, and he was hell-bent on it. Maybe a different instructor would help...
It's possible. Not all instructors are the same. Even working for the same company, their philosophies and methods can differ.
I would guess most golfers that perceive the golf swing as a swinging your shoulders, arms and hands have the early extension problem. Changing to body rotation and leaving your hands behind is difficult after 20 years or so of throwing ones hands in what seems like a swing motion.
You got that right. It ain't easy to change all that programming.
My teacher told me to feel like my shoulders are swinging over the top but drop the arms on the downswing. It was just to keep my shoulders perpendicular to my spine. It maintained my head position and I stopped humping the goat.
Yeah, the different feels across a wide array of people is pretty insane.
I had five lessons at GolfTec and I think we’re working on pretty much the same thing. My coach explains things a little differently. He’s primarily trying to get me to use my lower body and just let my arms travel along with my body while squating and rotating the hips at same time throwing the club up around my body. It’s terrifying trying to figure out how to actually go play with buddies, I’m continually saying I’m sorry at same time cussing my way around the course, ha.
Haha, yeah, at times like these, when I'm making big changes, I avoid the course for a while.
Definitely looking better. Open hips at impact is essential. The trail knee when and how it works is as important as the lead knee. The trail knee works toward the target and not so much out towards the ball target line. Roll to the inside of that trail foot. The trail side is not pushed it is pulled from the opening of the hips. Watch some Moe Norman videos and stop that flipping goat humping . You need less talking and more work.
Plenty of work going on, believe me. Not easy to reprogram everything.
Are you no longer doing S&T? Or is the GolfTec lessons a version of S&T?
I wrapped up the SNT review with the course vlog. Now I'm on the Golftec review.
Terrific content! I am pretty sure I have some of the same issues as you.When I was younger I tried swinging like Trevino and the open stance really helped. I remember playing a tournament and flying all my shots over the green as I was compressing the ball like never before! Keep up the great work on your game and the wonderful videos, too!
Many thanks, Ross. I'm excited to see what happens over the coming weeks.
@@GolfTestDummy I have to tell you after all the experimenting I keep coming back to Moe's swing. The misses are so much more playable and I've never hit it that straight with any other method.
Same issue here! I made my own pressure board with an old skateboard. It seems to be helping. Also, JChown golf has another helpful drill I use too. I’ll do 5 reps on each drill than hit 2 regular shots. I just started golf in February and have been using GOLFTEC too.
That's awesome! Yeah, I've watched a bunch of JChown and love his opinions.
Hey, great stuff and that wrist angle hinge you’re doing to start your swing will eventually evolve into your best ball striking and compression you have ever had. Just a hunch there based on what I have experienced as a positive change for me.
I just watched week 1 lesson again. At 9:55sh she mentioned power of Tony Finau for example comes from 40% hip turn and you having none… yet she is telling you to restrict your hip turn. Am I missing something? Great content but just want to make sure I am following what she is telling you with your swing progression🙂
Yeah, the best way to explain it is, if you want to make a small change, you have to exaggerate the hell out of it. So, if I want to go from 55 to 45, I have to shoot for 0.
I follow JChown golf and he hammers that impact position. I’m still struggling to get that position and it’s probably because it feels so different. But I think it is all in that glute to the back move to you have to have first.
It's hard to make significant changes to old patterns. So tough.
Chris Ryan has a drill that will help; start the downswing with your body while the club is still on its way back. It is either with a towel or I have also seen a rope. Swing the towel/rope back (backswing) and before the towel hits your back start the lower body forward. The towel/rope gives you some haptic feedback on your back to help with sequencing.
Coach has been telling me to start the lower body forward before I hit the top of the backswing, but I'm struggling physically to do it. I have a lot of work to do.
It's like a revelation to see you doing some of the things that I've been talking about for a long time! It's looking good.
By the way, you once asked me why shallowing was necessary if you already went back on plane but you can clearly see in your stone skipping illustration that the wrist and forearm are going through a shallowing motion and indeed they have to for the mechanics to work properly as in the golf swing.
What I would say about the release in the downswing is that you are used to releasing from the inside and kind of on the trail side of your body and I still see that in the improved swing. This is because (in the original swing) you were looping over the top and dropping the club fairly steeply down from the top so if you didn't release extremely from the trail side and the inside, it would have been impossible to get a solid square strike and you would have been chopping down on the ball too steeply and too outside but you had to stall and dump in order to get some shaft flattening to make it work which you managed very well.
One thing that Golftec doesn't do is measure wrist motion to my understanding so that's worth noting. What I would say is that with the hips opening and staying back, this is where the looping of the clubhead over and under the lead arm on the backswing and downswing respectively comes into play and can be extremely effective. This has to happen to produce the best pattern for leverage because this automatically expands and contracts the arc which is how you crack a whip while allowing your hands to be in a position to readily square the clubface.
In the video today, I would say that the clubhead was moving a little too flat in the backswing so the only way in that case to get some speed, have some looping for leverage, and keep the club on plane while turning the hips through impact is to release from behind you a bit because the clubhead starts dropping right from the top and you would probably hit the ball very thin if you didn't release from further back. All of that can be solved by doing what you're doing and getting the clubhead a little higher over the hands going back.
To that end, the Clay Ballard figure 8 drill that I mentioned several weeks ago combined with what you are now doing would, I think, be very effective. What you want is a backswing clubhead path and position that, while turning the hips and keeping them back (as you're now doing more), allows you to swing out past the ball while the clubhead has enough initial height and width (not just in position but path) in order to drop rapidly and fall behind the motion of the hands.
This is what allows one to really drive the trail elbow deep into the side and leverage the trail elbow in the downswing. Not all tour players have this deeper trail elbow motion but all of the longer ones do (Champ's a good example) because it's directly associated with power but you just can't do that without clubhead path width and height because without them there's nowhere to which to drop the clubhead as the elbow works in. So to be clear, the more that you lead with the trail elbow in the downswing the more clubhead arc narrows and shallows which is why the extra room in the backswing becomes important. Narrowing and shallowing coming down means that the clubhead arc relative to the hand path can widen and steepen through and beyond impact, exploding the clubface through the ball, which is where all of the extra speed and power comes from. Definitely encouraging though 🙂Cheers.
We're putting the pieces together, but patiently and one at a time, so that we don't get ahead of the game. Bits and pieces of good, but I still need to keep working on all of them. Lots of work to do.
One word of caution re: trying to straighten the left knee. Butch had Tiger concentrating on snapping the left knee on the downswing. You guessed it: repeated hyperextension and lots of knee surgeries. As the pros say, take one aspirin, not the whole bottle.
Loving this series!
That last line is great. One pill, not the whole bottle. It's tough work, but I think it's going to pay off in the end.
Wow … this is something else 👍🏻
I’m going to give Golftech a go and see if they can help an older senior guy like me.
I don’t have unrealistic expectations … just want to play the best I can for as long as I can.
You and me both, George. The third week ought to be interesting.... I may have turned a corner. Not sure yet.
Good video, about 15 years ago there was a drill called “swing like a duck” that I think Golf Digest put out to help get the hips open,
I'll have to look that one up!
Chad, man I’m loving this! It’s a tremendous aid for us to watch what you’re going through! Outstanding!👍🏽
So glad you're enjoying it!
Jess is great over at golftec NR I'm over at the Durham location, enjoy!!
Many thanks, Eric. She's been great and I'm learning a bunch.
Really interesting as always. If anyone can do it, Golf Test Dummy can do it.😄
I certainly hope you're right. It's not easy, but hopefully worthwhile.
Is golftec stack and tilt focused?
Some of their coaches are, from my understanding, and much of SNT lines up with Golftec. But, I don't think Golftec is synonymous with SNT.
@@GolfTestDummy yeah, obviously Nick Taylor and Cheney are working there, wasn’t sure if that was the method/system they used as a company. Thanks and loving your swing improvements
... and yet most instructors tell you to stay closed [shoulders/hips] with weight on the left side in order to compress the ball , so, do you move the ball back in your stance to avoid topping it when being open ? This reminds me of Steve Johnsons Eureka swing . This seems to counter everything about Stack & Tilt ? Thanks for taking the time to make these videos .
There are quite a few hallmarks of SNT in what many Golftec instructors teach, but there are definitely some deviations from it with what I'm learning now.
@@GolfTestDummy ... TY , for me , at 70 , the open stance weight on left side / albeit short backswing does keep my left hip & back pain free ... really enjoy how you explore all types of swings ...
You and I suffer from the same. Awesome improvement on opening of hips. But your are still losing side bend. My teacher said everything reacts to the body. In other words, because you are losing side bend, you are having to straighten your arms at impact. To get that bent right arm at impact, you have to be more bent at the waist. I suck at this and it drives me crazy.
Week 3 discusses some of this, but that one isn't out yet. Working my butt off trying to get there.
@@GolfTestDummy you and me both, brother. Keep at it.
I have heard other Teachers, Dan Del Barrio, teach to turn the head towards the target before impact. Like Annika, Duval did. It seems like when you do that, you can turn through much better!
Haha, his first name is Ron, but you got the rest right. I've spoken to Ron a bunch and he's a great dude. Super smart, and super skilled.
@@GolfTestDummy Yes! Ron, I knew that didn’t sound right!
Good stuff, rotation to clear hips while trail arm remains connected.
Thanks, Jari!
Nice series going here, and from a fellow Raleigh golfer. Have been working on getting in the right positions with the back and downswings and have focused on wrist position, which helps with the right position. At least a little 😂.
It's so hard to retrain what seems like simple stuff. Long process.
@@GolfTestDummy Agreed. self taught mostly and now trying to get serious. Decades of bad habits are hard to break. Looking to start lessons as I find it difficult to fix what I don't see or know. Thanks for the series, looking forward to see how it turns out.
Damn Good Instructer ,Your Lucky to have Her!!
Agreed. Pretty eye opening stuff.
I have a swing evaluation next month at Golftec so seeing your journey is very cool
Best of luck to you! Which location?
@@GolfTestDummy Thanks, Pittsburgh area
Damn this is good. She knows her stuff.
She's pretty awesome, Bill. Played on tour, and helping an idiot. Skilled and charitable, lol.
Let's freaking go
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