Georgia Grapples with the Memory of Stalin
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2019
- What to do About Stalin? - As the anniversary of Joseph Stalin's birth approaches, a culture war rages in Georgia regarding controversial Soviet leader's legacy, and his place in the country's future.
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Coda Story - Ref. 7711
Germany: You know Hitler comes from you right?
Austria: Nooo!!! He made himself a German citizen!!!
Russia: You know Stalin comes from you right?
Georgia: *Yes*
No we don't love stalin. Old peoples and youngs who has brainwashed olds loves stalin. 70% our population doesn't loves him
@abbkk shut your mouth. Real georgian never can are comunist..Bolsheviks occupied our country and we joined in ussr with force.
Shut up all georgian patriots deproted in siberia because of stalin and beria sh**ts.
All soviet georgian rullers are georgian trattiors and all georgian captives are patriots and honarable people.
@@noworldfortheweak Face The wall traitor!
@@noworldfortheweak fall, traitor
@@bicheiroparadoxo4894 sayed Latino who never meeted georgian
Stalin is inextricably linked with Georgia. That being the case, it is best to focus on his positive qualities, while also teaching about his negative deeds. We don't get to pick and choose historical fact. History is history, warts and all!
He was not a good person. And most Georgians leaned Menshevik during his political genesis. An enemy of the people Id say.
@@adrianaslund8605 He wasn't a good person, he was a wonderful person.
@@MCJohn-117
I sincerely hope your'e sarcastic but with the internet I don't know anymore.
@@adrianaslund8605 You're not Russian. You have no right to talk about a country you didn't live in. More than 70% of our country wants the USSR back, and I can guarantee that Belarus, Eastern Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Moldova and Armenia would immediately join us. We don't need fascist Baltic countries.
@@MCJohn-117 no you’re Dutch
Comrade Stalin was Georgian. I have visited his home at Gori, Georgia the place he born. And also the printing press in Tbilisi he spent the initial days as an young comrade of communist party
Staline claimed to be Russian by nationality with roots in Georgia, never claimed to be Gergian by ethnicity, but Ossetian, born in Georgia in Tsar Russia.
What everyone thinks he eastern front was: Russians vs Germans
What it actually was: An Austrian vs a Georgian
Nope, Stalin would firstly consult his inner circle, then intellectuals, scientists, etc. before he'd do something. All of which were of multiple ethnicity, but all Soviet. He was able to internalize the opinion of his people the best, to create the best compromise and wisest outcome.
Meanwhile the Austrian went on his own direction with his own vision and dictated everyone around like a Reddit intellectual, as if he knew best. He's that cringe vegan teacher
@@prysrek8858 you are wrong. Stalin was all himself that's why he execute so many great military leaders and politicians
@@prysrek8858 There were no intellectuals and scientists in the Soviet Union. All intelligent people were executed or indirectly were forced to leave by communists. Stalin did not consult with anyone. He was a decision maker.
Austrian vs. Ossetian. Stalin claimed to be of Russian with Georgian roots. However, he never said he was ethnically Georgian; he was Ossetian, born in Georgia in Tsar Russia.
Stalin fought for the common people, that is why he is loved and remembered, most politicians who are voted in " Democratic " nations tend to fight for the interests of the rich.
Stalin waS evil
Hmmm common . Killed more than 30M people. He has a son made kim jong un
@@rome316ae3 I thought he killed 194882948393939 trillion
@@rome316ae3 Clearly not enough...
@@vladimirlenin3562 I dont know about that but he told me that he killed 50M
Georgia's idolisation of Stalin is undoubtedly due to Georgia's nostalgia for the Soviet Union, quality of living under the Soviets was far better than today. And Stalin of all Soviet leaders is Georgia's strongest connection to the Soviets.
What? Go look at the standard of living index prior to the collapse of the USSR. You're speaking out of your ass.
stove one lol did you live in that times did you? my parents and grandparents lived there you had everything if you minded your bussines. yes, freedom of speech was forbidenn BUT there was no poverty everyone had jobs houses and food! who needs your "freedom of speech" or "freedom" when you have no food nor house?! my parents and grandparents grew up and lived there with no problem.
@@stover14 The Ussr was so bad that people in 1993 Rioted to bring it back.
@@DarkFawful Can you answer me why people in east germany for example, wanted to get to west germany, but almost nobody tried to immigrate the other way? My parents are from ex soviet countries, they fleed communism, there aren't many people that immigrated to soviet countries to escape capitalism
@@stover14 The Ussr has too many Myths that people believe and one of them is, Saying people hated it.
Meanwhile austria to hitler : " I have never met this person in my life "
braunau am inn is a german village
Bro why do y’all keep comparing Stalin to hitler
cannot compare stalin to hitler
@@lorenzograham7854 because both were brutal dictators and both were in same eria
@@gonca4602 why not?
power man of soviet union
No leader reaches power without some perceived worthiness. History reserves the final tribute, the last laurel crown or not...even in today's immediate cyber world view.
Georgians are Best!!!
Socialist georgians are the best
Georgians are as good as the global proletariat. We humans are equal, and together we are the best.
@@rustinusti oh yeah, also I just found out that we still have multiple communist parties, georgian comrades, go join them if you can.
@@sneedfeedandseed2410 people doesn't listen comunist georgians. They are brainwashed
Astria: Hitler? no I dont know him, he was german
Georgia:
No I disagree there are many in Austria who loved Hitler
Red Salute to comrade Stalin ✊
Lal Slaam!
@@Sudeepbti Lal Salaam Comrade ✊
Stalin is the pride of Georgians.
Dont fkn embarass urself please. Hes a fkn mass murderer.
Love Stalin great man best man ever
Stalin was one of the best. Of course, he was an anti-Capitalist and did all he could to stop Capitalism. Therefore, the Capitalists hated him.
@Ring-a-ding-ding baby Research Ring a ding ding baby, research...
@@DarkFawful Do you know how many oppositioners the US and allies have killed and silenced? Even more. Stalin had to do what he did, otherwise there would've been a coup d'etat, and communism wouldn't have lasted that long.
@@pacifistttt I have Done More research and well Stalin was A great wartime Leader and a Leader that many in the Ussr missed.
а современная молодёжь, как служебная собака, готова ненавидеть любого, кого ненавидит их хозяин. И им все равно кто он, знают лают !
@@pacifistttt иностранные агенты, действия которых направлены против существующей власти, а значит и против народа, никак не должны быть в самостоятельной стране, и они как враги должны быть уничтожены без всякого сомнения.
დიდება სტალინს გილოცავ დაბადების დღეს სალინი🇬🇪
Long live Comrade Joseph Stalin for combating revisionism, liquidating opportunists and careerists out of the comlnterm, industrializing a semi-fudel back water into a space faring superpower!
The supreme commander of the Red Army that liberated the concentration camps in Central Europe and destroyed the Nazi war machine and denying Hitler's dream of Lebensraum. 🇨🇺🇦🇴🌍🚩🛠✊🏽
@@purpleblastoise excellent comrade
💀
shen xoar gamoylevdii
შიგ ხომ არ გაქვს
13:52 This man's voice is DEEP
Georgia people 40% kids have same voice , mee to, i am 15 lol
@@kapanadzesaba same here, my voice was pretty deep when I was your age. idk why that happens.
youre mistaking lungs damaged from smoking as deep masculine voice. most men here are expected to smoke and ages like a prune as a result
Unlike the fake zelensky accent 🤣
Stalin sounded like a 13 year old boy.
At the time 19:43 when the statue of Stalin was lying on the ground, where is the statue located? I would like to know the website if possible.
Anybody know the exact location of the large bronze Stalin statue lying face down at the end of the video. I know it's around 15 min outside of Gori, but I can't find any info on where it's located.
This is a lovely documentary. I've been studying Stalin, trying to understand him for a play I'm trying to write. He was brilliant. Totally devoted to the Communist Soviet Union in a religious way. Had become the high priest of it. Bolshevik Socialism had replaced the religious faith he felt so strongly as a child. He was also a paranoid mass-murderer. He'd suffered horrible beatings by both his drunken father and his loving mother. So he trusted no one. His daughter Svetlana inherited his brilliance but didn't get the opportunity to use it in a profession. She was, I think, a normal person, not paranoid. Wish I could have gotten to know her! She died in 2011 in the state of Wisconsin, USA, near where I was living at the time. If only I could have gotten to know her. Some day I hope to visit beautiful Georgia. I'll definitely visit the Stalin Museum. Because ... like those people in your movie, I now sort of love him. And feel sorry for him. (He was so proud. He would hate to hear me say I feel sorry for him...Not that he would care what I think. I being "only a woman.") By the way, I think Olga in your movie should be the next president of Georgia.
попробуйте обратиться к психиатру, может быть он вам и поможет !
who knew Wisconsin was so full of idiots who love Trump and Stalin.
I don't know what books you were reading, but they have a better use as firewood.
Mary, I'm just curious. Even if you got so engaged with his life after studying it, how can you love some one who killed 6 million of people under a terror and paranoid dictatorship? Some say the number rises up to 20 million. What about feeling sorry for all the people who suffered his rule, the broken families, the broken stories, the broken people, the broken nation?
his parents didnt beat him. what are you talking about?
I lived in Georgia for two years and i love this nation and them praising a great leader like stalin makes me happy ... also what a privilege to understand everything without subtitles
He was a disgusting piece of shit
You forgot to add the word un before happy
You blood tankie.
@@mr.terrific601 He was the greatest person in history.
@@renjurichard Weak liberal.
Damn. No wonder why Stalin is no-comedy material unlike Hitler
Hitler comedy material ?? Its comedy material until you live there
@@rome316ae3
Er is wieder da or Look Who's Back is a film featuring Hitler coming back to life in 2014. Looks like a dark comedy but is actually a terrifyingly realistic film.
Hitler is comedy until you live under his rule
Long live Stalin!!!
eat democracy now...
Oh, the irony.
Imagine still having food security issues in Eastern Europe in 2021.
Великий человек, Грузины отдайте нам очередного Сталина, а то за 30лет ничего не меняется
TL:DR on stalin's military reforms
basically he did what france didn't do and we know how that ended.
What exactly? Kill off all of the professional military personnel and replacing it with political commissars with no military experience whatsoever only to be slaughtered in the Winter war and most of WWII?
@@bluesky2011k yeah but at least soviets win the war unlike france who who surrendered in 6 weeks
@@bluesky2011k they also won the civil war, if the it was so bad wouldn't the white army have kicked their ass?
@@bluesky2011k the results answer your doubts.
If only his father had been successful in teaching him how to be a cobbler
glory to stalin! glory to ussr!
ლიბერალური პროპაგანდა
დღემდე ებრძვიან მკვდარ ლომს, მაგრამ ვერ ერევიან ეს უდღეურები!
Lვაი შეე ყლეო 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 socializms mainc gadaxede avadmyofo, lomi ara
ბოზი ნაციონალები და ჩაძაღლებული მხედრიონელი რურუა რომ ხმას ამოიღებს სატირალია
სტალინს გაუმარჯოს
Stupidity to remove statues and monuments, as if those things never existed. A country without history has lost everything.
Stalin was a Great Leader and even Greater Man
Stalin - Georgia's greatest son. A prophet without honour among his own
David aghmashenebli is a greater son. He is trattior sh**t. Ilia chavchavadze is a better person than him.
Comrade Stalin is a Georgian. But the funny thing is Georgians doesn't want the most greatest almighty Soviet Union ( USSR) back & they ( Georgians) want E.U , NATO & U.S.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Slava Stalin from Chile
Wow
@@h1bro924 wowowow
@@agustinriesco4177 from Georgia 🇬🇪 bro
Allende lives
Stalin called himself a west asian
Why include Lasha's commentary on Stalin? That was so annoying to hear him talk! That's like putting a communist person who hates capitalism in a documentary about the west and it's past. The documentary shouldn't be about his beliefs but Stalin and the Georgian people!
This display of worship toward Stalin is the same ignorant insanity that people display toward the Orthodox and Catholic Church............they conveniently forget the horrors all three committed and regimes of fear and death they created.
His statue belongs at the Vatican.
Stalin is alive
All this love for rainbow Stalin
Who is Churchill to judge the great leader Stalin. Churchill saying choose between shame and war is the same man who upon becoming Secretary of State for War in January 1919, gained direct responsibility for the British troops remaining in Russia and threw his energy into organising an armed intervention’ against what he called the ‘nameless beast’ of Bolshevism. Prime Minister David Lloyd George remarked at the time that this was ‘a purely mad’ policy developed ‘out of hatred of Bolshevik principles’. Churchill wrote there could be ‘no peace in Europe until Russia is restored’ (meaning the old Russia before 1917).
Name of poem at 0:38?
x-minus.pro/track/254192/patara-gori-2
here is the link for the full poem comrade. its called "small gori"
@@sneedfeedandseed2410 Gmadlobt
Long live the spirit of the Great Stalin!!!!!!!!!!
There’s lots of people who we don’t like...weather they were effective leaders and got shit done is another issue...Saddam was a dummy and Iraq was arguably much better off if he never existed. Stalin’s lasting effects are debatable and it could be argued that he was a necessary evil
No
@@user-dc9oq2pr6v
No Stalin = Hitler wins WWII
As a Georgian I am not proud of Stalin at all and how can I be, after knowing how evil he acted and killed so many people who thought even differently than him. The people who praise him have no idea what was in depth, he was a son of cobbler and alcoholic man, and a washer mother which effected his life and anger to the world, especially to Georgia. He used to go to the seminary to become a priest, but then he was kicked out and joined the revolutionist groups. Olga tried to be cool to talk in Russian in front of camera :D :D I bet she remembers Russian bombing her town in 2008 and still is in love with enemy, such a stupid woman! :) And, that's true, that Russia is still in soviet mentality and tries to have memory of Stalin with the hope that it will conquer other countries again. They tie strongly with same ideas by keeping Lenin's dead body in mausoleum almost a century for now. WTF! It is interesting how frequently they wash the body and do different scientific things to keep the body from decay.
Trotskyite lies. His mother was certainly no “washerwoman”. She was literate, wrote letters and recently her memoirs have been discovered in the archives.
Tiki, go speak to your elders. You're talking cringe
8:28 უმჯობესი იქნება თუ კი წიგნების კითხვას დაიწყებ ან კიდევ გამართულად ისწავლი ლაპარაკს თორემ ვერაფერი გავიგე. :D
Tqven xoar gazanzarebt?
There's something surrealistic about that giant Stalin lying on its stomach staring at its own shadow in some God-forsaken backyard at the end of the film. Oh, and by the way, a great little documentary!
Expecto Patronum
Не равняйте Путина составлено Кто был Сталин Он был вождём . А Путин похож на на на романовых Заря
What to do about the Stalin statue..? Are you kidding me..? really ?
Eternal Glory to Tovarisch Stalin!
Stalinnn Chveni Mama Aris
Gaumarjos Stalini
Сталин самый Великий человек из Грузии) товарищь реально поднял из колен СССР
ЗА РОДИНУ!
ЗА СТАЛИНА!
hall to stalin! from greece
Do you like Stalin?
May Greece be freed from european capitalism
As an American, when I read the title I thought this was about the state and not the country.
Ok. Time to stop being proudly ignorant about geography, world history and geopolitics... Yall keep proving that the stereotypes of Americans are completely true, and that animosity towards not just the American government but arrogant nationalist American people is justified...
u called as Georgia but for as its Sakhartvelo
Yes, it's because you have best education in the world.)))
@Kay Theo I celebrate his Victory over the Nazi Pigs.
"as an american"
cringe.
gh ost runnindeath throwshadows
Slava Stalin
საქართველოსთვის სამარცხვინო ლიბერალებიხართ მოვა დრო ისტორიის ქარი განგაქარვებთ ეგ კაცი კი დარჩება
This people are our shame
Very based
SHEN SAPLAVS DAVAJVI RURUA DA SHENI DZIS SAPLAVZE MOJVAVS KIDEV BEEVRI QARTVELI ! TORADZEEBIS OJAXIS DA MTELI SAQARTVLOS AMOWYVETISTVIS SHEN BOZO !
I have a few farms in outskirts of Gori I go back to every year I’m in LA, I tell you they dragged Stalin’s statue out after they beheaded it first in the city center near train station. No one likes him I don’t know who the fk are these people
Typical delusional grandpas that only remember the good things of the old days. Give it 10 years and Stalin supporters will go extinct in Georgia.
@@bluesky2011k in 10 years, the U.S will give reasons for most people to start hating it. Liberalism is falling.
What??? Never knew Stalin was from the sweet sweet state of Georgia 😮😮😮🤯
They're celebrating one of the biggest killers of all time... ok
Yeah.
I thought I read the title wrong lol
maybe all those killings are greatly exagerated? are these people celebrating him suppose to be the ones he killed?
Americans celebrate George Washington, who kept human beings as slaves
glasno444 lol you start out defending the atheist Stalinist regime, and then go on about things being “unchristian” you sound confused sir.
Historical figures shouldn't be judged as good or bad except for Hitler, Stalin and Mao. WHO ALL WERE SADISTIC MURDERERS.
BUT, I CAN UNDERSTAND FEELING OF GEORGIANS TOWARDS STALIN AS STALIN GAVE THEM SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THE WORLD STAGE. OTHERWISE GEORGIA WOULD BE KNOWN AS US STATE OF GEORGIA NOT AS A SOVEREIGN NATION 😂😂
Stalin and Mao weren't genocidal maniacs like propaganda would have you believe. Georgians like Stalin because Stalin was the reason that Georgia and all the other Soviet republics became industrialized and he defeated the Nazis, saving the Soviet people from genocide and slavery. Furthermore, people in the USSR got free education, food, housing, and jobs. They could live without having to fear that tomorrow they wouldn't get food or be able to pay rent or to pay their child's school fees etc.
Why dont Austrians do the same to hitler?
Your tr4sh hindu ideology is even worse, millions of indian women are treated like sh1t while cows are worshipped
😎
Stalin nearly cost the Soviet Union world war 2
they dont know what theyre talking about, stalin is viewed positive not because of putin support that, but because ppl think putin is not strong enough
They were paying tribute and homage to a mass murderer. Pathetic and disgusting.
Yes, Hitler and Stalin are not the same. The one hunted you down for what you are and the other for what you think.
Ha! They will all fade and be forgotten with the falling snow. But let us never fucking forget what Stalin did...
defeated the nazis and industrialized backwards empire… yes, he did great things, we should never forget
It's a shame that Austria doesn't respect Hitler like Georgia respect Stalin
Shame!
Not shame, glory
@@hmmmhmmm6917 shame
@@rome316ae3 Glory.
@@MCJohn-117 shame
@@rome316ae3 Glory. Also, stop liking your own comments.
Ooooof. These people are delusional.
The Ussr was so bad that people in 1993 Rioted to bring back.
@@DarkFawful if it was so great why did it fail
@@Nedula007 Yeltsin Collapsed it because he wanted a Imperial Nation.
@@DarkFawful Lol
@CounterStrike211 didn't exist? Then explain the corrupt and rich as hell oligarchs, whose power only grew after the wall fell down
is georgie a third world country? sure looks it
Grigori Rasputin1990 This is an ignorant comment but I will take the time to respond. The dated classification of countries as "first," "second," and "third world" was never a good one.. Especially because most countries contain elements of the ""third world"" - you can spend all day watching clips of impoverished and decimated American cities and towns that are far more ""third world""-looking than what you see in this video. Nowadays people most often refer to "developing countries," the "global south" etc... Notably because "the second world" referred to the Soviet Union, China and state communist countries. Im assuming that you didn't know that. This is related to the reasons that some older Georgian people have issues around dealing with that history as shown in the above video... Georgia was part of the Soviet Union only a few decades ago; you are still using a cold-war-era classification -a propagandistic one... Underlining the relevance of these issues outside of Georgia.. Thanks for reading...
@@blehblah9992 it's a very good one, and nice one thumping up your own comment...lol what a loser
ya let's compare the most powerful country USA, to a piece of shit like Georgia which is ranked 118th on GDP, LOL. case closed.
and get a job typing books on youtube nobody read, ouch!
NEXT?
@@khav11 you can't even speak English lmao
not really. sure its a massive dumpsterfire but I wouldn't call it it 3rd world. more like between 3rd and 2nd world.
@@khav11 autistic response. his comment is long for a reason- you should read it. its quite good. unless you lack the attention span that is.
Wonderful person??? If Stalin still alive he will send them to gulag in Siberia..
Gulags were Like Ordinary Prisons.
@EDGE that is a lie, the working people built the USSR. The gulags didn't have nearly as many people as the usa has prisoners today or even russia and they still use labour from there today.
Stalin was a bad example for communism
Defeating the nazis was a great example of what communist ideas can lead to
what a dumb question. a small country gave birth to the most important political figure of the 20Th century. how could they not be proud????
STALIN ✊️✊️✊️✊️✊️✊️ 🇦🇱🤝🚩 LAVDI MARKSIZEM LENINIZEM
Wants to be a free world country...(sic) what a fake this guy..!
Slava Stalin