History of WWI Primer 075: US Mosins, Dragoon, Carbine Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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3-ЛН ВИНТОВКА МОСИНА b
R.N. Chumak
Drei Linien Die Gewehre Mosin-Nagant, Band 1
Karl-Heinz Wrobel
Allied Rifle contracts in America
Luke Mercaldo
American-Made Mosin Nagant Rifles : World War I through Allied Intervention
Charles W. Clawson
Serbian Army Weapons of Victory 1914-1918 Vol 1
Branislav Stankovic and John P. Sheehan
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This was a great story from a book on Remington with respect to the Russian Mosin-Nagant production:
“In order to insure that his investment was protected the Tsar sent no fewer than 1500 inspectors to the Remington factories to verify that the 5000 Russian rifles that were coming off the assembly line met critical standards. The most irritating of these was a Cossack captain who became known as ‘Alexander the Great.’ His particular worry was that the rifles might fire accidently. He would take a gun off the assembly line, load and cock it and then bang the butt on the concrete floor with all his might. Of course the rifles were too well made to accidently discharge even when subjected to this kind of punishment, but as many as a dozen rifle stocks per day were cracked in this manner. Officials of the company could do nothing to stop this waste but the gunsmiths could. They filed down the locking mechanism on a particular rifle until the trigger literally hung by a hair of steel. They maneuvered this specimen into Alexander’s hands. When the Cossack slammed the butt into the floor, the rifle naturally went off, and the projectile pierced a four inch water pipe above Alexander’s head sending a steam of water under high pressure into his upturned face, knocking him flat on his back!”
amazing!
Love stories like these. XD
HAHAHAHAAAA!!! Waddaprick! How'd those bolshies work out for ya, Sasha??
Смешно читать версию от "Ремингтон", когда знаком с историей и оружием
Во-первых, русские заказали "ремингтону" не 5000, в 1915 году они заказали у него 1500000 по $30 и у "Вестингауз" ещё 1800000 по $25,75
Во-вторых, "Ремингтон" заказ провалил - за весь год он изготовил только 33000 винтовок, причем большинство деталей подгонялись под каждую винтовку отдельно, это никак не соответствовало русским стандартам
В-третьих, отмечалось низкое качество изготовления и отделки, при заряжании можно было прорезаться об острую грань ствольной коробки
В-четвертых, эти винтовки применялись в рукопашном бою, а значит должны были быть крепкими Но качество лож никуда не годилось, они ломались при простом падении на заводской пол
Русским пришлось уже принятые и доставленные в Россию винтовки снова разбраковывать и часть ремонтировать
За весь 1916 год "Ремингтон" изготовил только 100000 винтовок
И тогда русские прислали своих специалистов, которые буквально заставляли рабочих изготавливать качественную продукцию Это дало свой эффект: в 1917 году "Ремингтон" смог отправить в Россию около 700000 винтовок
Таким образом эта известная фирма за 3 года смогла выполнить контракт только на 55% с опозданием на 20 месяцев против установленных сроков
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@@firstoptimat at that point my Bubba and Jedo were on the way to America. In 1917 all of these firearms were probably used to overthrow the government!
I love to hear about the country where my great grandparents came from.
It's like they thought: "Last time we tried to come up with a new rifle it almost killed us. Lets just stick with this."
I bought a m44 from big 5 and it had 2 notchs in the stock behind where your little finger on your right hand (if your right handed) would be from the tip of a spike bayonet.
Mae was very mischievous this episode😂😂😂
Yay, more Mosin!
I'm pretty early for the first time ever!!
Wait a minute, we're still going to get our session with the carbon-based life form, right? It's hard enough to wait *two* weeks between Anvil episodes.
anvil is on schedule
As soon as Mae said dino arsenal i pictured the opening like: "Hi, I'm Othais, and THIS... *grunts as he lifts an entire t-rex skull*"
Zach Chilton you speak the truth
If anyone is interested in learning more about the extraordinarily grim events of the Russian Civil War, I would recommend "Russia" by Anthony Beevor, which is the most recent and best English book on the Civil War. The great tragedy of the 4 million odd Moisin Nagants ever made was most of them were used to kill other Russians. It's not an easy read but it explains a lot about why Russia is the way it is.
Another use of US Mosins was in the Pedersen Device tests. Apparently at least one of them was converted to use the Device and survived into the 1950s. It's unknown if it survives today, but if it does that would be a fascinating piece of history.
The fact that there might be a Pederson-Mosin existing somewhere in some US storage depot deep in Nevada makes me excited.
The Non-Springfield Pedersen Devices were what inspired Ian to make Forgotten Weapons back when it was just a website and not on RUclips. He had heard about a set of Documents detailing how such devices would be made for Mosins, Lebels, and Enfields, but the last copy of said documents were lost in a fire. Ian decided that day that he would find all the documents of such rare weapons and archive them digitally, so that copies can be made and nothing of that importance would be lost ever again.
Wyatt Tyson And lo, on that hallowed day, the Almighty spoke to his son and sayeth “go forth and make the word of thine prophet John Moses Browning known across the lands, for his words are good in my sight.”
@@wyatttyson7737 Pedersen device Lebel? OwO
@@NarcassiticGamer that is FUCKING AWESOME. A Pederson MOSIN NAGANT!!!!
"Mays Top Ten Rifles For Fighting Dinosaurs"
The T-Gewher has to be on that list
too slow to reload if one is coming for you...(it is fighting dinos not hunting dinos so missing is easy) i would choose at least something semi auto.
.577 Tyrannosaur, duh!
Mae size mosin, hmn.......
TheBradleyClarke itd be good for taking down something big from a reasonable distance, but I feel like the noise of it would alert too many predators.
Also, which dinosaur? You probably think T-rex for a T-Gewehr, but imagine the pack of raptors or a flock of pterodactyls. Herd of triceratops or Diplodocus. And plethora of others I cannot remember english names for
I have a Mosin M44 carbine & it's definitely louder than my 91/30. The M44 is the loudest rifle on the range & usually there will be one guy who will wander down to my table & ask "Alright who has the cannon down here"?
Medmann48 So you’re that guy at the range. Lol
I am so jealous
Of Mae!! She gets to have all the fun!!!
Can confirm that it sounds like a canon, especially if you're at a covered range.
When I fire my mosin carbines...... Everyone wants to come down and see it. The girls all want to try it.
As well as being unreasonably more accurate than one should expect from a Mosin, my favorite thing about my Polish M44 is that the muzzle report is not far off of the light heat and noise thrown off by a 9banger DD "grenade".
"LoL, spikey polish boy go boom"
"They got the cool inspectors" That is my favorite Othias quote for this entire episode.
"conflicty"
Please make Dino&Rsenal a thing.
Could we also get a Drag&Rsenal. I want to see Mae's top 10 for fighting dragons.
Yes that’d be awesome
Would watch!
It would start all ooohs and ahhhh, and end up screams and panic running about...... always does.
I'd give 10/10 would watch again.
Everything about russian history beyond middle-school textbooks sounds hilarious in some dark twisted way
Cavalry was used heavily on the Eastern Front and the Russian Civil War. Big open spaces. There was never really a interconnecting network of trenches as we saw on the Western Front. Battles took place over key river crossings, lakes, railroad junctions, ect.
I'm gonna encourage her, you're not gonna stop me.
Fastest time to War Were Declared (3:28)
What a time to be alive.
I am totally okay with a small series about Mae's top rifles to take into combat with dinosaurs.
T-Gewehr, Wall Gun...I can't wait.
Thats really cool that an M38 sparked all of this because I bought an M38, and wanted to know more about the mosin history, and that lead me to this channel. I love the M38! Such an awesome handy gun.
I swear I could just watch Othaias trying to curb Mae's enthusiasm and fun for hours and be entertained. I look forward to being able to support you on Patreon. Your show is amazing, I learn a lot and I'm barely breathing with all the laughs I got from "DinoTales" ...
Yes. Dinothais?
Lucas Hagg othaiasairous?
Maeosaurus and dinothais
Dinotopia.
Would totally watch a show about firearms with Mae dressed like Dora and Othais in a dino costume :) probably would be the coolest show around for decades to come!
No you sort of can't choose to be a cossack. By that time they were almost like a nation within a nation. You'd have to be born a cossack or in case of May maybe get married to a cossack =)
That's how it works... they are even iffy about letting Russians marry in.. anyway who wants to be a cossack? They just get drunk and want the kick your @$$ and then go home and beat the wife...
Watching Othais lose his shit explaining the Remington vs. Russian Inspectors is quite hilarious.
Over two videos you have spent almost the entire running time of 'There Will be Blood' talking about the Mosin Nagant, I'm proud of ya.
my 91/30 started my obsession with milsurps as well. it will always be a special rifle to me
"Please do not encourage in the comments."
How long have you been on the internet? You just doomed yourself.
Love the show, but I'm sad to say my family never had any milsurp rifles so my first wasn't a Mosin. It was a Type 38. So after watching The Arisaka episodes and the Mosin episodes I'm just full of pride now lol. Thanks for the content! It's gonna be a long 4 weeks.
The aesthetics of the magazine/triggerguard is the one thing I like about the moist nugget, it's just pleasing to the eye. Shooting a Mosin in an Archangel stock feels silly.
Collector friend got a Cossack sword - in the scabbard - the scabbard had a 'clip holder' (not a traditional scabbard) for a bayonet....the bayonet was present, BTW...
Yep I got one of those cossack swords too.. Got the bayo as well unfortunately my mosin is a 91-30 I believe.
You have a Russian dragoon saber. Only she had a bayonet clip. Cossack rifle without bayonet. And she shot without a bayonet, so on the breech of the barrel there was an inscription КАЗ.
@@ДмитрийСкибицкий-ь2л Thank you!!!
I have a Finnish M39 with a Remington receiver, Westinghouse bolt, Chattelruat magazine and as much as I'd like an unmolested American made Mosin I have to say this M39 is still pretty cool!
The mosin would probably be a good rifle for your mid size Dinos. Stegosaurus, triceratops, iguanadon, is be pretty confident with mine. Anything larger or more heavily armored like an ankylosaur I’d want something way bigger.... maybe something like a Boys anti tank gun?
C&Rsenal Your remark that your first gun that you shot and still owned was a Mosin carbine hit a sweet spot with me. The first gun that I shot and owned was a M44 Mosin, that I bought at Big 5 for $80 when I was a teenager, and would get me involve in gun ownership, I still own it, will never sell it, means that much to me of all my guns in my collection now. Thank you for that Othais.
Doom that’s cool man, yea I was around 16 as well, I got lucky, mine is all matching with a nice glossy finish.
I was in my 30s when big 5 got me hooked. Always had modern guns but when they started selling real ww2 guns at 79.99 I bought one out of curiosity. Loved the history aspect. Kind of like a dealer selling his first hit for cheep. Damn big 5. They got me addicted. Not my fault.
Heh, my M1944 was far from my first gun, but I'm pretty sure it _was_ the first WWII surplus rifle I bought with my own dollars. Largely because the guy only wanted 75 of them for it. :)
Oh god....I....I....I did it finally. I've watched all of your primer episodes from start to finish in the last three weeks.....ughhhhhh so good
Nice. There is a recap shooting video now.
There's more than one type of Dinosaur, we got big Dinosaurs, we got little Dinosaurs, we even got Dinosaurs with plate armor! I forsee many, many, episodes of May's Great Dino Hunt. Ohh! We could do episodes where we focus on WWI or WWII weapons to fight Dinosaurs! I LIKE THIS CONCEPT!
Jason Gregory A Russian Maxim with lots and lots of belts ,mostly with explosive bullets mixed with armour piercing. After all,there is going to be a mass extinction event. Why not thin out the numbers so the meteorite does not have all the fun.
I think this is the earliest I've ever been. Also have a fondness for the Mosin, as it's one of the only one of these old guns I actually own :D
Edit: I love Mae's love of dinosaurs. Might I suggest C&Saurus
Brett DuVale C&Saurus +1
C&Roarsenal!
Maybe the Russian Inspectors were smarter than people think, as long as they were in the U.S. inspecting rifles they weren’t in Russia risking being sent somewhere they might be shot at.
Mae is a National Treasure.
Yes, indeed!:)
A good lady and a beautiful national treasure. Thanks for being mae.
Yes she is simply beautiful
The only thing on set thats more rare than that 1907 ...is/are ladies like Mae=-]
For a second when Othis "Horror Show." I thought he said "Horse ###t."
"Dino-senal the Dinosaur hunting arsenal."
I think Nagant was using the old Russian engineering standby; Vodka, lots and lots of Vodka.
Commander: go fight with a mosin in trench warfare
Me: you first
0:50 Hey that Mosin is missing it's trigger and new gun showcase music.
+LOUDcarBOMB
Ow Jeez, I think Mae made a woopsie with the magnetic lasso tool.
Mae's childhood viewing? Cadillacs and Dinosaurs.
ruclips.net/video/gr2iQ96em2w/видео.html
Jon-Paul Filkins ya know I was sitting here laughing about this, then I saw the title was literally Cadillacs and Dinosaurs.... totally going to watch a few episodes now.
To me the Mosin Nagant rifle is the contemporary of the US Krag-Jorgenson, which seemed to be in constant upgrade and was officially replaced after shortly more than a decade. To put it another way, can you imagine the US still using Krags in WWII? The only thing the Mosin has over the Krag is stripper clip loading.
The krag was an excellent rifle on its own merits - something like the Mosin would NEVER be adopted by the US military due to their particular high standards.
Please let us know Mae's top carbines for dinosaur-mounted cavalry.
Mae should read “Destroyermen.” Dinosaur hunting with ‘03 Springfields and Krags.
From what I remember, one can actually BECOME a Cossack. It was a lifestyle (and hat, of course) requirement.
It's 12:00am and it's time for bedtime stories. :D also that new music, noice!
Don't forget about the Austro-Hungarian squeeze bore Mosins (which really tells you they did have some strength since they weren't blowing up left and right).
What?! Where can I read about those
Is Mae single? I have to say she's dino-mite
1907 carbine rare as hell .👀
A Finnish issued 1907 is rare as hen’s teeth but they do exist and there are many fakes floating around.
@@mazkact I saw a pair of them from the guy I acquired a M44 from. Big money
Those carbines are such jewels. I had the pleasure of handling one from a local collector. So jelly.
Othias in a trex costume walk fireing a bar yesssssss (blanks for safety)
How about Mae in a hydrosaur costume firing a villa-parosa.
There was one other use of the American Mosin. They were issued to the United States Guards, which were Federal soldiers unfit for service overseas used to protect critical sites (shipyards and the like).
C&Rsaurnel. "But then the asteroid were declared" Cue vintage film of dinosaurs running from a falling rock.
Stop motion film of plastic dinosaurs fleeing from a flaming bolt handle, a 30 second film it'll take them 2 days to make, and only 1/4 of the comments will make an echo of
"Made in Oooh Ehsss Aaaahhhh", Ophias 2018
Othias, When you say horrow show it sounds similar to Russian for good
the thing about rimmed cartridge is that it is easier to produce these on a older machinery.
and, btw, each time (2 in particular) then we tried to get rid of this rimmed case, we got a shake-up, so we're really do not want to do it third time, tbh.
I WANT MAE'S DINOSAIR SHOW DAMMIT!!
if you bought a Mosin in America in 1913, you would be paying $27.50
If you consider the inflation over the years, you would be paying the 2019 price of $713.22
* visible confusion *
Mae is always smiling while shooting this despite the fact I know both of you think it is not that great of a rifle as far as quality and accuracy and feeding and shooting (well you get the point) goes
Do you guys have a 28/30 bolt-action variation of the Mosin Nagant? The same type of Mosin that the famed Finnish sniper Simo Hayha, A.K.A The White Death, used during the Winter War?
DinoDistopia
Can't wait until the show transitions into ww2 with the finnish mosins m27,m28,m28/30 and the best service version mosin ever the m39....
panzerman22, yeah, in 2038
Can you do a couple episodes on Finnish mosin nagants when you start getting into WWII?
Am I the only gun enthusiast in America who has never fired a Mosin-Nagant?
I could not even imagine how awful clearing a trench or house with one of the WW1 full size rifles, especially with the bayonet attached.
I know this is 2 1/2 years late Mae, but what about The "Surplusasaurs" Show.
My favorite Mark's are notches in the stock from kills. My m44 had 2 obviously from a spike bayonet.
@30:30 They look all of 15, I'm sure none are older then 17... a testament to war truly being hell, when they run out of grown men the just conscript the old and young to fill in the gap.
9:30
Horrorshow
Horrorsho
Horrosho
Horosho
Khorosho (Very good in russian)
Da komrade, khorosho
I'm just here lookin for the "the Mosin is the bestest survival rifle of all time; it'll survive longer than a cockroach ina nuclear holocaust" comments 🤣
Love the Mosin as a collector, but hate it at the range. The wall it sits 9.8 outta 10 shooting trips Lol
My Grandson will totally dig Dino Arsenal or Dino Land. You wouldn't say no to a cute six year old would you?
So, whatever happened to all those American-made Mosins? Did most of them get destroyed? I knew OF those, but I never knew there were way over a million made, and I have never seen one outside of a website. I really would like to have one, but since they seem rare, they are probably expensive.
Оставшиеся 300000 винтовок от "Вестингауз" выкупила Великобритания, от "Ремингтон" (худшего качества) достались американскому правительству, их хотели использовать в учебных целях Чуть позже 100000 из них передали в Россию армии Деникина
@@firstoptimatThey're still around if you keep your eyes open, I managed to score a remington and westinghouse this year for $400 and $600 off armslist.
Mae's favorite gun to fight dinosaurs with.... the T-Rex-Gewehr.
So, are you guys like, a couple? Brother sister? I’ve been trying to figure this out for 75 episodes.
Did not expect to hear about my hometown while watching a Mosin video.
Gratz on 100k.
Shot several Mosin carbines (1910, 1938, 1944) the Vietnamese nicked named them "Red butt specials) due to recoil, watching Mae, shes a champ still smiling after it all
My favorite is the m44 in 7.62x54r. Or a Finnish mosin. To bad the m44s aren't $79.99 anymore.
m44 is not finnish mosin,
Finnish mosin are: M/24, M/27, M/27rv, M/28, M28-30, M/39, M/30, M/28-57, M/28-76 and 7.62 TKIV 85 (7.62 sniper rifle 85).
M44 is either hungary, polish or romanias post product or originally soviet made.
@antcommander1367 i never said it was. Learn to read and comprehend instead of trying to look smart. All you did was just show your a dumb a$$. And the polish m44 is called a wz44 the Chinese one is the type 53 and the Romanian one is sometimes called rm44 and it's the rarest. SMH.
Wow, war were declared very early in this episode. Hehehe...
"Just eat less" lol, especially with Russians
My wife wants to go shooting with Mae. She likes that Mae can handle firearms with real recoil.
It appears the Dragoon you feature, as you mentioned the date as 1927, may have spent some time in the Spanish Civil War. Just noticing the wire sling hanger at the rear. Any other SCW provenance on it?
If I had a dollar for every time I had watched the C&R Mosin videos ...... I would have enough to buy one. This video has triggered the beginning of a collecting bug - good times.
If buying occurred outside of story.
While many people do slate the Mosin, Sergei well understood the Russian soldier of the period. The average Ruski was an ill educated, illiterate, peasant conscript, and for an 1891 design, the Mosin Nagant was excellent for what it was intended to be. Too many people compare it to far newer designs, and that`s not really fair to the por old Mosin.
The German design is older, as are the French and British.
David Young What does the education level of the conscript have to do with the handling of a bolt action rifle? Does one need significantly more education and training to operate a Gewehr 98, Lee Enfield, Steyr M95 etc?
The Mosin is simpler than either the G98 or the Lee. No tools needed. Disassembly needs just the bayonet tip.
The G98, Springfield, Ross, Berthier, MAS 36, Carcano, are all more modern guns. Remember that the gun the Mosin was inspired by, the Lebel, was basically a modernised Gras.
David Young How is it simpler to operate than any of those rifles? Functionally the Gewehr 98 handles identically to the Mosin, except for the safety which if anything is simpler to use on the Mauser. The end of the bayonet may technically be able to turn a screw but soldiers were issued proper screw drivers with their cleaning kits.
I've owned 2 Mosins in the past. One was marked as having been made in 1941. The other had the octagon reciever and was made in 1913. And that model had a shorter barrel . It was also fitted with some mounting incursions that specified it was capable of being a sniper's rifle. I just know that it was really accurate.
Noooooo such a missed opportunity to have Mae wear a bearskin hat.
Lol, all this addition reading in the description. Russian Revolution?? Nah, just check Wikipedia mate
Man that carbine sure does breathe fire doesn't it...
The first gun I bought after I turned 18 was a 91/30 Tula Arsenal Hex Reciever rifle... It wasn't the first gun I ever fired though so even though it was special in some ways that didn't stop me from selling it when I fell on some hard times. I know I'm probably never gonna find another one like it though at the price I originally bought it at, that's for damn sure.
The world needs more women like Mae
Great job May. Why is it that you are the only one that gets to have fun on this channel?
100K subscribers! Congratulations guys, keep up the good work. I've watched every episode.
Whomever decided on the thematic music over the pictures/period video is awesome, and needs a promotion. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Suzie.
Othias, I heard once that there may have been a commission at one point for someone to build a few 1/2 or 2/3 scale Mosin for the Czars children or something like that. Have you heard that or substantiated it?
D&Rsenal side channel? Count me in!
P.S. should we tell Mae about the game Dino D-Day?
Would Othais use a Gasser to fight dinosaurs?
Yeah it's a great rifle. I don't yet have a 1907 carbine but I will continue the hunt. Also dinosaur sidebar is awesome!
Nothing like watching Mae fire old guns!
As well, a small number of US mosins (as well as Russian) ended up in the hands of the Japanese. They were used along side Type 38 & Type 99 training rifles in Universities and Schools. Generally with a specially made trigger guards that turned it into a single shot rifle.