But it doesnt last long. The thing is GGG goal is to make players play longer not short amount of time-fun. This is why they try to make player progress slower so it will take players longer to progress-more play time.
@@JPPPPotTs the longer it takes for me to get to maps and the longer it takes for me to gear up, the less time I play. I will get annoyed and frustrated. Then burn out.
For blade vortex zerphis is quite bad. In fact if you're using expeditions end I think it's overall bad anyway. Shock is an anti synergy with wither and ignite does little. The soul eater is nice but witch is low on stats anyway. I think that item is a bait except for the soul eater. The heat shiver combo is nuts though, enjoyed using it.
@@subtractem for sure! Its interesting how TS and BV can behave very differently with how we approach these builds. I was also thinking about worb elementalist with orig sin then scaling Herald of Ice AoE + explody like you did in the video for even smoother mapping
Here is how to get busted numbers in POE... Let me know if i missed anything (+Flat Damage)x(+Increased Damage)x(+More Damage)x(+Crit Multiplier)x(+Attack/Cast Speed)x(+You Deal Double/Triple damage)x(-Enemy RES)x(+Enemy Damage Taken) Edit: This is how to beef your numbers, Less is more don't surpass 300-400% in any one multiplier unless that's all you can get.... The last multiplier at least for POB is how many times in that one action you did that Damage. For example Totems: 1Mill on 5 totems is 5Mill
A little mistake in calculations: while in most cases increased damage taken on enemies is acting like a multiplier, but in other cases like with wither + punishment + bottled faith it is additive and it is going to have diminishing returns
@@subtractem maybe i misunderstood something, but still it's not like the wither is going to be 135% more damage. but i guess that's just me nitpicking
So heatshiver, that ele to chaos armor I always forget the name of with the smiley face sun, a pyre, cold to fire, malachi's loop, void battery, unnerve gloves. You'll have like 3k hp unless you can squeeze a t1 life and %life onto your belt and double t1 life on boots, and even then barely breaking 4k. But. If it's dead it can't hit you, right? Also that vinktar lightning flask that shocks you and nearby enemies, shock immunity on another flask or somehow on the tree, and you can probably push 100 million plus dps.
@@subtractem Could use Profane Proxy to overwrite the useless shock to have the skitter auto applying Punishment. May not be worth it but it's a QoL option.
I pray GGG save this league in core, i cant image PoE without Sanctum as farming place, as new build-enabling layer anymore, as new way to get fun with all this non-build-power but personal-skill-based requirements. The time split before and after 3.20. I was never ever so involved in mechanic and scarry about safety of it.
honestly the best thing about this ring isn't the dps or anything, it's the fact that it bypasses those stupid archemesis mods that make rares super resistant to specific elements. Though I assume it doesn't work on "cycling damage reduction", if it does then this ring is the most op item ever in the game because that archnem mod is the most infurating thing in PoE currently.
@@TheHeroYouDeserve technically it could work really well in eternity shroud build, since You have % of dmg gained as extra chaos, but base stays ele, and "setting" enemy Res to 0 is objectively better than "ignoring" it because it allows use of chaos pen ("setting enemy Res 'Is modifier on enemy defenses part of calculation while "ignoring Res" is modifier to your dmg part of calculation) You loose 1 item worth of CoB and %dmg as extra chaos but You gain conversion of whole base into chaos which makes You ele reflect immune
@@m1xxx3r yeah, could work like that. But you'd be hard pressed to justify the difficulty of making all shaped and double influenced items (bc you'd want elder phys dmg to spells and crusader phys as extra lightning) when Incandescent Heart is right there and super cheap. And without needing shaper you can focus on gem levels. Yeah Eternity Shroud will have more damage overall but... I made perfect Eternity Shroud gear in Ritual and don't want to do that again with nerfed harvest.
my idea was took the staff from uber atziri,took elementalist with nodes (all damage can ignite).Took from occultist "15% more chaos damage" and try to melt bosses with ignite and poison
Hey Sub! Loving your content, I haven’t played in 3 years and your analytical approach speaks to me 👍👍 Question though, would Original Sin let me double dip with righteous fire since you can’t convert ignites? I’m trying to run a different skill than fire trap and I think that might be a loophole?
I wonder if this new ring could work with new voltaxic, you put the mastery and get 105% shock. Also with wither wow, I can only imagine, maybe a CoC build would work
Would it be possible to make poison builds with high hit rate skills while using original sin? Maybe it's not worth it when compared to hit based idk. I'm very curious about that
love that Idea, question is just, if the investment for poison chance (or crit) and dmg would be worth it goin that way instead of just playing a standart poison build (or ignite if u want high dmg dots)
@@1996AJH Waggle's Original Sin build is bladefall / blade blast poison, you can check out his pob by searching for Dsfarblarwaggle, going to Sanctum Hardcore, and checking WaggleSINNER. His build is obviously more turned towards Hardcore survivability but should offer you some more insight into how to go about using it.
@@1996AJH This. I lack experience. Is it possible to scale fire damage and DOT's for RF's ignite while simultaneously scaling poison? Since ignite damage can't convert, my only roadblock is whether or not fire damage can apply to ignite since I'm converting all damage to chaos... and I know ignite is based off the hit damage, but if I scheme "chaos damage can ignite" I can dodge that mechanic.
My current balanced version has 40-50k ehp with max suppression. This video is just a quick example of a concept...it's literally a fake pob to test a theory. Honestly a weird comment to even make in this context.
it's POE we're talking here so wording is very important, You can't change their res, that's fact, but "penetration of resistance" is different modifier in damage calculation formula so it works
did anyone actually go look at this PoB? theres no fire res, no life, the build doesnt even come close to the dex requirement, not to mention the gloves and helmet are not easy to come by, the boots have 5 links and triple implicits..... im lost
How does the original sin work with elemental conversion? The lightning - cold - fire conversion? Does it dip into every stage or just the final damage ?
The conversion should work exactly the same as it always has, since the wording on the ring doesn't suggest a change to any form of the elemental conversion process... Lighting - Cold - Fire - Chaos
Is it just me or all this "look how cheap this gear is - this ring makes gearing so cheap" stuff is kinda weird when the ring in question is 100div? Also while preping for my no-hit run I got str stacker relic. So I guess now I have to go for original sin str stacker, right?
I can throw a lot of money at the rest of the items but that's less interesting. By minimizing everything else it showcases how good the ring actually is. I actually think it's underpriced at 100 div.
Would Echoforge be a viable weapon for attack-based Original Sin builds? Or is Zerphis Heart just better since it gives you access to more Ailments and the Anarchic Spiritblade being craftable?
@@subtractem Thought as much, since even with pretty large amount of flat chaos and increased chaos implicit, it doesnt scale as much as all sources of increased, gain as extra, etc, mods all coming together and being turned into chaos damage via Original Sin.
You've never played bv? Oh boy, it's like playing a completely different game. Not giga God tier like it was before it got triple nerfed, but still one of the best and fastest builds out there that can do all content. Complete entire juiced maps in 30 seconds or less.
Thanks for this, yesterday it looked like I might finally be able to afford one, now it's doubled in price. Great way to kill only reason for me to play the league!
Lol? A LOT of build makers are making builds with it right now, I'm just a drop in the bucket. As soon as the supply goes up and build makers can start working with the item the price goes up, this is how it always has been and how it always will be. Learn and Adapt.
@@subtractem While I appreciate the feedback I do feel pretty disappointed right now as in previous leagues I was making 300ex over the course of the league, now I'm struggling to make enough as a result of most of my previous strats just being gutted with the new atlas changes. Not the first time mind you saw it all happen with hateforge back in ultimatum. Guess I needed to vent is all.
I still think despair is a better curse overall is it not? Because it still does give a lot of added flat chaos damage, same with awakened added chaos damage support for your main link bv. Since you can scale that pretty damn high as well it could get a little off the charts no?
@@voxii_13 no he did not, did you not watch the video? He said despairs -chaos res wouldn't work I wasn't talking about the -chaos res from despair. I did not realise despair lost its flat added chaos damage which would've still been better than punishment. Curses do work so you need to go watch it again. (Punishment is a curse) GG no re
@@subtractem For fun I tried both PoBs. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be played in game and just a PoB showcase of what OS can do. Now I'll admit I didn't have it exactly as you had the build.
Mageblood only hurts build that need multiple unique flasks or in some way benefit specifically from triggering flasks instead of having them active all the time
Budget and then you only need the 100 D ring. Pretty much get the ring and use w/e you want you don't really need a build guide for a ring this broken.
It will less damage but you can use call of the void in the other ring slot to have chill and shatter along with the damage reduction
Just got my OS and was looking for a good explanation about the best ways to scale DPS. Thanks for coming through as always Sub.
some very nice uniques knocking about at the moment, ive slotted nimis into my spark build and have 7 second duration and loving every second of it
hopefully ggg is starting to realize what subtractem is pointing out here - broken and unbalanced is fun
But it doesnt last long. The thing is GGG goal is to make players play longer not short amount of time-fun.
This is why they try to make player progress slower so it will take players longer to progress-more play time.
I mean if broken is 100 divines away most players will never see it anyways.
@@JPPPPotTs the longer it takes for me to get to maps and the longer it takes for me to gear up, the less time I play. I will get annoyed and frustrated. Then burn out.
@@voxii_13 sounds like you are a whiner and want everything handed to do
@@voxii_13 you think that buts it’s not really true.
Heatshiver + expedition end + zerphi with Phys to cold Tornado Shot feels amazing
Currently rocking around 527m dps with mageblood + orig sin + 700 div ish investment
For blade vortex zerphis is quite bad. In fact if you're using expeditions end I think it's overall bad anyway.
Shock is an anti synergy with wither and ignite does little.
The soul eater is nice but witch is low on stats anyway. I think that item is a bait except for the soul eater.
The heat shiver combo is nuts though, enjoyed using it.
@@subtractem for sure! Its interesting how TS and BV can behave very differently with how we approach these builds. I was also thinking about worb elementalist with orig sin then scaling Herald of Ice AoE + explody like you did in the video for even smoother mapping
@@ralfmaca5930 this seems fun, I'm having a POB day, I'll have to play with the concept
Here is how to get busted numbers in POE... Let me know if i missed anything
(+Flat Damage)x(+Increased Damage)x(+More Damage)x(+Crit Multiplier)x(+Attack/Cast Speed)x(+You Deal Double/Triple damage)x(-Enemy RES)x(+Enemy Damage Taken)
Edit: This is how to beef your numbers, Less is more don't surpass 300-400% in any one multiplier unless that's all you can get.... The last multiplier at least for POB is how many times in that one action you did that Damage. For example Totems: 1Mill on 5 totems is 5Mill
A little mistake in calculations: while in most cases increased damage taken on enemies is acting like a multiplier, but in other cases like with wither + punishment + bottled faith it is additive and it is going to have diminishing returns
he already say that at beginning isn;t ?
That is what I explained yes
@@subtractem maybe i misunderstood something, but still it's not like the wither is going to be 135% more damage. but i guess that's just me nitpicking
Ye, fun, and thanks for the damage explanation, that always helps. Looking forward to next vid
My man opened up paint and drew some footballs rather than some dummy calcs in a spreadsheet hahaha. Love it tbh
I might know numbers but I ain't no NERD!!!!!!!!
So heatshiver, that ele to chaos armor I always forget the name of with the smiley face sun, a pyre, cold to fire, malachi's loop, void battery, unnerve gloves. You'll have like 3k hp unless you can squeeze a t1 life and %life onto your belt and double t1 life on boots, and even then barely breaking 4k.
But. If it's dead it can't hit you, right?
Also that vinktar lightning flask that shocks you and nearby enemies, shock immunity on another flask or somehow on the tree, and you can probably push 100 million plus dps.
old soft hands lance, eh? what a guy
-.-
You can run skitterbot like secret of suffering builds usually do to get chill & shock but it gonna cost a lot of mana I guess
correct, not worth the mana since shock does very little because it's the same multiplier as wither.
@@subtractem Could use Profane Proxy to overwrite the useless shock to have the skitter auto applying Punishment. May not be worth it but it's a QoL option.
@@jerds9293 double unique ring both with fairly low res seems a bit hard to justify but it could be worth trying
the scaling mechanic should have its own video + title
Shaper of Flame node says "Hits always ignite" doesn't actually always do that, it gets scaled down with map mod atleast.
Ignites are still taken as fire damage, even if you ignite with chaos. Shaper of flames is almost an anti synergy with this ring.
If someone asks me about POE from now on i will show them this 8:03 xD
Spark inquisitor with ignites and poison : Grand mana Spectrum + battlemage + fanatisicm + rebuke of the vall
Or energy blaee hierphant with battlemage forbidden jewel
That's why it's called original sin. The one who made that ring idea just committed an original sin
can you upload the no hit run, i would love to see it on youtube. and congrats man.
I pray GGG save this league in core, i cant image PoE without Sanctum as farming place, as new build-enabling layer anymore, as new way to get fun with all this non-build-power but personal-skill-based requirements. The time split before and after 3.20. I was never ever so involved in mechanic and scarry about safety of it.
Meh. I wish they'd kept the other thingy from the league I skipped. Sentinel, I think.
@@seapeajones sentinel recombination was broken. Nothing in Sanctum is broken.
I feel attacked when saying league start only 10 divine.
honestly the best thing about this ring isn't the dps or anything, it's the fact that it bypasses those stupid archemesis mods that make rares super resistant to specific elements. Though I assume it doesn't work on "cycling damage reduction", if it does then this ring is the most op item ever in the game because that archnem mod is the most infurating thing in PoE currently.
Voltaxic burst seems super nuts with this, it already has 230% increased added damage, just slap on your heralds and blast
so this ring is basically more overpowered and more versatile equivalent of Eternity Shroud
Considering that a good Eternity Shroud build would cost around 300 divines or more, yeah I'd say it's better.
@@TheHeroYouDeserve technically it could work really well in eternity shroud build, since You have % of dmg gained as extra chaos, but base stays ele, and "setting" enemy Res to 0 is objectively better than "ignoring" it because it allows use of chaos pen ("setting enemy Res 'Is modifier on enemy defenses part of calculation while "ignoring Res" is modifier to your dmg part of calculation) You loose 1 item worth of CoB and %dmg as extra chaos but You gain conversion of whole base into chaos which makes You ele reflect immune
@@m1xxx3r yeah, could work like that. But you'd be hard pressed to justify the difficulty of making all shaped and double influenced items (bc you'd want elder phys dmg to spells and crusader phys as extra lightning) when Incandescent Heart is right there and super cheap. And without needing shaper you can focus on gem levels. Yeah Eternity Shroud will have more damage overall but... I made perfect Eternity Shroud gear in Ritual and don't want to do that again with nerfed harvest.
Inquisitor ascendancy dead XD
my idea was took the staff from uber atziri,took elementalist with nodes (all damage can ignite).Took from occultist "15% more chaos damage" and try to melt bosses with ignite and poison
It will not work. No matter the source ignite always deal fire doy damage. Only if you go with f&f for occultist wither and blackflame ring
Hey Sub! Loving your content, I haven’t played in 3 years and your analytical approach speaks to me 👍👍
Question though, would Original Sin let me double dip with righteous fire since you can’t convert ignites? I’m trying to run a different skill than fire trap and I think that might be a loophole?
Good thinking but unfortunately you can't convert any damage over time except through very unique mechanics.
@@subtractem Starting to see the ring enables so much that trying to stretch for RF/DOT is a waste. Thanks for reply!
I love how budget moved from under 10c to 10 exalts XD. IN THIS ECONOMY?
I love how for some people 10 div is a budget build while I'm over here with a 2 div build 😆
Been wanting to do this but for Stormbind as a boss killer
This is LEAGUE START (plus 100 div ring)
I imagine just doing like cobra lash with a triple ele claw and this ring could be sorta dumb.
I wonder if this new ring could work with new voltaxic, you put the mastery and get 105% shock. Also with wither wow, I can only imagine, maybe a CoC build would work
Here's my dumbass thinking you were talking about the game "Divinity Original Sin" 😂
Would it be possible to make poison builds with high hit rate skills while using original sin? Maybe it's not worth it when compared to hit based idk. I'm very curious about that
love that Idea, question is just, if the investment for poison chance (or crit) and dmg would be worth it goin that way instead of just playing a standart poison build (or ignite if u want high dmg dots)
@@1996AJH Waggle's Original Sin build is bladefall / blade blast poison, you can check out his pob by searching for Dsfarblarwaggle, going to Sanctum Hardcore, and checking WaggleSINNER. His build is obviously more turned towards Hardcore survivability but should offer you some more insight into how to go about using it.
@@1996AJH This. I lack experience. Is it possible to scale fire damage and DOT's for RF's ignite while simultaneously scaling poison?
Since ignite damage can't convert, my only roadblock is whether or not fire damage can apply to ignite since I'm converting all damage to chaos... and I know ignite is based off the hit damage, but if I scheme "chaos damage can ignite" I can dodge that mechanic.
Love the vid. Anybody know how to get that floor effect in the Atlas hideout?
36 charge/ lvl 32 discharge poison
Nothing screams softcore like 5k EHP
My current balanced version has 40-50k ehp with max suppression.
This video is just a quick example of a concept...it's literally a fake pob to test a theory. Honestly a weird comment to even make in this context.
@@subtractem it's not that serious, I play softcore. nice vid
Can you do %60 deli maps full juicied wtih ur bane build?
yes
God damn... Guess it's time I do the run and use my +1 max power charge and inc Phys dmg relic
I thought you cant really scale chaos res reduction since the ring sets to 0, essentially you cant get enemies lower than 0. Am I tripping?
You can't, correct. We can pen through it still though. It's why we don't use despair anymore.
You can't change their res, but you can still penetrate their 0% resistance
Huh... Wasn't aware of that interaction. TIL
it's POE we're talking here so wording is very important, You can't change their res, that's fact, but "penetration of resistance" is different modifier in damage calculation formula so it works
when in doubt, penetrate it out!
Any chane of adding a leveling section? Just some gem links to use during leveling
did anyone actually go look at this PoB? theres no fire res, no life, the build doesnt even come close to the dex requirement, not to mention the gloves and helmet are not easy to come by, the boots have 5 links and triple implicits..... im lost
Did you watch the video? Literally says it's a prototype concept.
How does the original sin work with elemental conversion? The lightning - cold - fire conversion?
Does it dip into every stage or just the final damage ?
The conversion should work exactly the same as it always has, since the wording on the ring doesn't suggest a change to any form of the elemental conversion process... Lighting - Cold - Fire - Chaos
Would abbhorent Interrogation work with the ring?
Is it just me or all this "look how cheap this gear is - this ring makes gearing so cheap" stuff is kinda weird when the ring in question is 100div?
Also while preping for my no-hit run I got str stacker relic. So I guess now I have to go for original sin str stacker, right?
I can throw a lot of money at the rest of the items but that's less interesting. By minimizing everything else it showcases how good the ring actually is. I actually think it's underpriced at 100 div.
Would Echoforge be a viable weapon for attack-based Original Sin builds? Or is Zerphis Heart just better since it gives you access to more Ailments and the Anarchic Spiritblade being craftable?
Since echo forge just gives us flat chaos we don't get any value from conversion. I haven't run the numbers but my instinct is it's not worth.
@@subtractem what about starforge. would ele be convert to chaos or it'll be zdps
@@subtractem Thought as much, since even with pretty large amount of flat chaos and increased chaos implicit, it doesnt scale as much as all sources of increased, gain as extra, etc, mods all coming together and being turned into chaos damage via Original Sin.
Bro in the beginning you said "this is a very budget build, only 10 divines" Lol how is that budget! Or maybe im just a noob ha
Average alch and go strategy is 3-5 divines per hour.
He's showing how a budget build is affected by the new unique ring.
Do an explpsive concoction build. Thats alot of flat ele damage turned to chaos
Is BV the only choice? I prefer ranged skills but I can give BV a shot since ive never played it.
You've never played bv?
Oh boy, it's like playing a completely different game. Not giga God tier like it was before it got triple nerfed, but still one of the best and fastest builds out there that can do all content. Complete entire juiced maps in 30 seconds or less.
wheres the gameplay??
Super budget, only 10 div league start. Boy we live in different worlds lol.
ohhhh so it's almost impossible to get ... cool ^_^
If i get this on my poison stormrain trickster i scare the world with dps xd
Anyone know how this works with rf?
Can't convert damage over time
@@subtractem rip
Thanks for this, yesterday it looked like I might finally be able to afford one, now it's doubled in price.
Great way to kill only reason for me to play the league!
Lol? A LOT of build makers are making builds with it right now, I'm just a drop in the bucket. As soon as the supply goes up and build makers can start working with the item the price goes up, this is how it always has been and how it always will be. Learn and Adapt.
@@subtractem While I appreciate the feedback I do feel pretty disappointed right now as in previous leagues I was making 300ex over the course of the league, now I'm struggling to make enough as a result of most of my previous strats just being gutted with the new atlas changes.
Not the first time mind you saw it all happen with hateforge back in ultimatum.
Guess I needed to vent is all.
I still think despair is a better curse overall is it not? Because it still does give a lot of added flat chaos damage, same with awakened added chaos damage support for your main link bv. Since you can scale that pretty damn high as well it could get a little off the charts no?
i think despair lost the added chaos damage
@@getupho ah thats true yea you're right
did you not watch the video? He explains that curses will NOT work.
@@voxii_13 no he did not, did you not watch the video? He said despairs -chaos res wouldn't work I wasn't talking about the -chaos res from despair. I did not realise despair lost its flat added chaos damage which would've still been better than punishment. Curses do work so you need to go watch it again. (Punishment is a curse) GG no re
Would this setup apply to a death's oath build? The potential would be otherworldly.
Damage over time doesn't convert.
lets go
Personally, I would rather play ek, and be ranged
you could..
oh ya this is a banger
Anyone with a hundo Div just sitting around for this casual to get this ring, give me a ring! :D Good info, sounds like some fun scaling going on.
do NOT build either builds XD.
?
@@subtractem For fun I tried both PoBs. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be played in game and just a PoB showcase of what OS can do. Now I'll admit I didn't have it exactly as you had the build.
Question would a mageblood hurt or help this build?
Almost impossible for a mageblood to hurt a build unless there's a mandatory belt mod.
Mageblood only hurts build that need multiple unique flasks or in some way benefit specifically from triggering flasks instead of having them active all the time
@@subtractem thanks
@@Shoderra thank you
this is a fake build, I did the same thing in Poba and I have maybe 26k AVG dmg hahahahah
Budget and then you only need the 100 D ring. Pretty much get the ring and use w/e you want you don't really need a build guide for a ring this broken.
The ring doesn't work without understanding conversion and wither mechanics, which many folks don't.
No gameplay :(