damn. this film was good but i think that the bond, the love between Alexander & Hephaistion should have more attention. There should be more scenes with them both because love between those 2 is a historical fact. That bond is pure and natural...
This relationship was the best thing about the movie. :S I know they said they followed Mary Renault a great deal, but... not enough. :( Awesome video.
Many of A/H videos are too sweet and the music doesn't fit to the film - that's what I don't like about them. But this one is simply perfect. Placebo was a very good choice and the cut of the scenes is amazing as well. All in all this was the best video about this couple I've ever seen. 5/5 and added to my favorites. Thank you for uploading.
Beautiful video! As for the A/H relationship matter. The "they were a couple" fans and the "thery were frinds" fans seems to forget that ancient Greeks didn't worry about who you had sex with, just what role you took. It was about power and social position. So if a guy took a passive role with someone of lesser social status than him, that was a Bad Thing.But if he took the dominant role, or if he took a passive role with someone of a better social status than him,it didn't matter.
This is my favourite Alexander/Hephaistion fan vid. The editing, the selection of the song everything is just perfect...And yes I agree that Mary Renault wrote the best historical fiction on ATG. This particular line at the beggining is my favourite from 'Fire From Heaven' btw...Excellent stuff!Alexander + Hephaistion forever!
This is the best A/H video I have seen. Most videos use horribly cheesy songs that just dont fit. But this fits completely. Kudos to whomever made it and thank you for posting it!
It's been, what, 13 years since it. The image is 240p max now yet I still love how well the chosen parts fit the lyrics and I can't listen to this song without thinking of this vid. Great tribute, they deserve(d) more of it.
Beautiful video, amazing work to the creator. Actually if you look in the end credits there's both a name and website of the creator so you should let them know you've uploaded their video.
@CAKI Actually the battle of Chaeronea was a battle between NORTHERN GREEKS (Macedonians) of the northern Hellenic Kingdom of Macedonia, and the SOUTHERN GREEKS (Athenians and Thebans) of the two southern Hellenic city states of Athens and Thebes. It was in effect a Civil war with the purpose of uniting all the city states and Kingdoms into a single entity that could call itself Hellas (Greece). And then United as Greeks could go on and conquer Asia.
Who cares that Alexander and Hephaestion can be called gays? Their love is way way more beautiful than Romeo and Juliet's to me. The most beautiful and heartbreaking. Stronger than the death.
Are people being lame on here and making homophobic comments? I didn’t see any but obviously you put this comment for a reason so I can infer from context that somebody was being stupid. Perhaps if they were educated properly they would know that throughout history it was quite common for men to wear makeup and engage in homosexual relationships because men were considered equals and therefore capable of a achieving perfection. For most of history, women didn’t even wear makeup, so whose feminine now right? People can be ignorant. It’s best just to pay them no mind, but I can see where you’re coming from. It definitely gets aggravating after a while 😑
Macedonians (who were ethnically Greek) spoke Doric Greek a rough, harsh and broad dialect of northern Greek . Doric Greek was probably unintelligible to a Greek speaking the southern Attic Greek dialect. Much like the northern English 'Brummie' dialect was unintelligble to a Southerner The evidence is clear to see on the ancient Macedonian Pella Curse tablet which is written in Doric Greek as are the 17000 inscriptions on ancient Macedonian graves all written in Doric Greek.
@dimalex8 Further more: Alexander inherited the idea of an invasion of the Persian Empire from his father Philip whose advance-force was already out in Asia in 336 BC. Philips campaign had the slogan of "freeing the Greeks" in Asia and "punishing the Persians" for their past sacrileges during their own invasion (a century and a half earlier) of Greece. No doubt, Philip wanted glory and plunder."There is a lot of research about the early Greek years, read them first before commenting nonsense.
OK, one last time, to Vascular15: At the battle of Chaeronea, fought when Alexandros was 16, he commanded the Macedonian heavy cavalry and his soldiers wiped out the best infantry unit in Hellas. This was The Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of 1500 men, 750 pairs of "lovers" with an older man and a younger man trained to fight in pairs. They fought to the last man. The norm was bisexuality. My point is that had they not been lovers it would have been exceptional by the standards of the period.
[Richard Stoneman, Honorary professor of Greek, Exeter University, UK] "In favour of the Greek identity of the ancient Macedonians is what we know of their language [Doric Greek], their place names, names of the months, and many of their personal names, especially royal names which are Greek in roots and form. This suggests that they did not speak Greek merely as a lingua franca, but spoke it as natives though with a local accent."
@ultrafragola2000 P.S. I agree on the "blonde" issue.. It woudlnobe so difficult to find a good blonbd actor (anyway, Alessandro Magno was not a redhead?)
@dimalex8 . Reed the many thesisses of professor Snodgrass, Emeritus Professor in Classical Archeology at the University of Cambridge: about "Archeology and the Greek State and Archeological Survey" and many more. He did research especially about the Archaic period of Greece (800 BC - 450 BC) that followed the period called The Greek Dark Ages (1200 BC - 800 BC) so there was a Greece long before 450 BC. There is a lot more research about this topic where the Western civilisation was born.
[Chao Tian et al (2009)] "The closest population to Greeks are Italians and Tuscans. The low genetic distance between Greeks and Italians (the lowest in the fst table, -0.0001 fst) suggests once again that Southern Italians are little more than Latin speaking Greeks."
Beautiful. The song perfectly describes the situation - it gives you this feeling of fate which absolutely fits the whole area of Alexander and also their relationship.
the best alexander/hephaistion fanvideo on youtube. the movie would be complete trash, if not for farrell and leto. they created one of the greatest on-screen love-relationships in recent years. it was bold to portray them this way in a major blockbuster movie, even in 2004 (or 2011 as it turns out). it should be acknowledged more.
loving a man was not considered weakness those times. Greeks were especially fond of beauty and perfection, no matter if its male or female or even a building. They were chasing perfection in all aspects, the quote " Ever to Excel" comes from homers iliad. Dont compare modern times and society with one 2000 years ago, back then there were not so many rules and taboo's. Note: Not all were homo/heterosexual, there was also a non sexual love relationship between men called "platonic love"
Alexander only had one son, Alexander IV, by Roxanne, but he was killed before he reached adulthood probably by Cassander. Turkey did not exist in Alexander's day since the Turks arrived in Asia minor almost 2000 years later in the 14th century AD.
@maryoik You know why he was furious; the same issue was raised when he was brought Bagoas: "Are you here of your own free will?". And - when the answer satisfied the King that the answer was "Yes", he kept him - the rest of his life. There are too many references to Bagoas in antiquity for it to be myth! As with Hephaistion; despite all the religious, political and homophobic attempts to bury it - the story of their love survives! love story with
@NingyoHimeDoll Alexander was very likely to be a bi-sexual anyway as it was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Macedonia to have a male lover as well as a wife
The language spoke by the ancient Macedonians was north-western Greek. It was a dialect of Greek called Doriic Greek. The Athenian dialect was Attic Greek. The Doric Greek spoken by Macedonians was a rough and broad dialect of Greek and probably unintelligible to Athenians who spoke Attic Greek but nevertheless Macedonian was Greek in root, form and ethnic termination.
@bookkeeper57 First- he had one (1) child (a marriage consumated to provide that son!) But, as historians confirm - his "lover" was Heph- aistion; and when he was away he slept with the famous "Persian Boy" of history, Bagoas, not the wife(s). Only the mother of his son was a real marriage - the other three were not taken serious by anyone except the politicos intended! Funny how despite all the effort to bury his being gay - its his love for Hephaistion that endures...
@maryoik Sure - Greece was a very heroic nation in ancient times - but nothing now. Not one bit of anything. Greece would be a beautiful vacation spot and I'm sure Greece is beautiful. Tourism is probably vital to Greece's economy.
[Robin Lane Fox, Historian, University College Oxford, UK] "Macedonia is a Greek speaking Kingdom in northern Greece, populated by people using Greek names, Greek months of the year, worshipping Greek gods. Those who live in Skopje [Republic of macedonia, FYROM] and say that that is Macedonia, are as ignorant and outrageous as if someone was to say Oxford University was in Byelorus, and Oxford was in Minsk."
[ N G L Hammond, Professor of Greek, fellow of the British Academy] "As members of the Greek race and speakers of the Greek language, the ancient Macedonians shared the ability to initiate ideas and create political forms." ('The Miracle that was Macedonia',p.206)
@dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
When he crossed the Hellespont Alexandros was careful to observe the historical precedents of his policy to act as the representative of all the Hellenes. He sacrificed at Troy at the altar of Achilles. Hephaistion sacrificed at the altar of Patroclus. This well-settled fact indicates that the two men saw themselves as related to each other in the same way as Achilles and Patroclus. Under the conventions of classical Greece if they had not been lovers it would have been unusual, not the converse
Побратимы по обряду Ахиллеса - это не фиванский союз Геракла. Побратимством связывали себя совсем юные подростки, практически мальчики. Эротическая составляющая у них была минимальной.
Ancient Macedonians spoke north-western Greek which was a rough broad dialect of Greek known as a composite of Aeolic and Doric Greek. It was such a rough dialect it would have been difficult for Athenians who spoke the more refined Attic Greek to understand it. In much the same way the English Geordie dialect was completely unintelligible to someone from London 100 years ago, and still today is difficult to understand.
The ancient Greek historians and geographers from the classical and the post-classical period, Ephoros, Pseudo-Skylax, Dionysius son of Kalliphon, and Dionysius Periegetes, all put the northern borders of Greece at the line from the Ambracian Gulf in the west to the Peneios River to the east, thus excluding Macedonia from Greece.
@CAKItard [Dr. Orvill Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist/Linguist] "The significance of the term 'macedonian', has changed. The modern country called 'Republic of macedonia', [FYROM], is populated primarily by Slavic people of Bulgarian origin and Albanians...............The Original Ancient Region of Macedonia [in Northern Greece], was the land of a Greek speaking ancient Greek ethnic group called 'Macedonians' - the people of Alexander the Great."
@CAKItard [Dr. Orville Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist / Linguist] "The significance of the term 'macedonian' has changed. The modern country called FYRmacedonia is populated primarily by Slavic people of Bulgarian origin................The Original Ancient Region of Macedonia [in Northern Greece], was the land of a Greek speaking ancient Greek ethnic group called Macedonians - the people of Alexander the Great."
[Eugene Borza, Professor Emeritus, Princeton University, USA] "The ancient Macedonians themselves originated from the SAME population pool that produced other Greek peoples." "The [Macedonians][..] are derived from north- Western Greek stock." ('Makedonika', 1995)
@Vascular15 : why is it weak? Are you using modern standards to judge the evidence. We don't have a plethora of good information about Alexandros. The surviving histories are all tertiary sources: they relied on earlier histories which are lost, and all of the primary sources in the form of writings are basically lost. If you assume that bisexuality is the norm, not deviant, it is strong evidence. Bisexuality in this situation was a norm in Classical Greece.
[John V A Fine, 'The Greeks a Critical History', Harvard University Press, 1983, pp 605-608] "Modern scholars, now almost unanimously recognise the ancient Macedonians as Greeks, a branch of the Dorian and North-western Greeks who after long residence in the Pindus region migrated eastwards."
@maryoik Excuse the ranting of both sides in this debate - that should be kept to a scholarly level: Contrary to what you & Vascular say Plutarch called Bagoas Alexander's "eromenos" and all the credible writers of the day, and those that recounted the lost records of Gen. Ptolemy & Aristoboulos; while referring to those that "loved" Alexander, refers to Hephaistion alone as "Alexander's lover"... Renault says proof exists to a "certainty!" Why must we keep hearing "deniers"...
[Robin Lane Fox, Historian, Oxford University, UK] "Macedonia is a Greek speaking Kingdom in northern Greece, populated by people using Greek names, Greek months of the year, worshipping Greek gods. Those who live in Skopje (FYRmacedonia) and say that that is Macedonia, are as ignorant and outrageous as if someone was to say Oxford University was in Byelorus, and Oxford was in Minsk."
@AlyJoLuv As far as i know Alexander was strawberry blond,with olive green eyes and suntan skin. But i don't like esthetically Farrel. Maybe Stone could tried with Jude Law.
@maryoik I do not speak greek, you are right, maryoik. Although I do think greek is a beautiful language. I wish I did speak it. I am sorry but I do not understand the meaning of your last posting. I would never understand anyone speaking Greek, that is true. You have a nice night and take care as well.
The historical Macedonians, a tribe of North Greece spoke a north greek dialect... They belonged (partly or not) to the greek language and ethnic group. You should buy a book of Ancient Greek language or an History Book .. If you aren't able to do so, I'll scan a page for you.
@CAKItard The latest genetic evidence on modern Greeks shows them to be descended from the Seima-Turbino culture, and that the earliest known homeland of the Greeks was from the forests of the northern Russian steppes 2000 BC. [Chao Tian et al (2009)] " The closest population to modern Greeks are Southern Italians and Tuscans. The low genetic distance between Greeks and Italians (-0.0001 fst table), suggests once again that southern Italians are are little more than Latin speaking Greeks."
ur video was great!! u use one of my favorites songs also i love it ;) they're the best couple :). have you notice that the sound of the eagle that apears like a lot in the movie it's the same sound in the beginning of "kings and queens" i would be so cute that they we're together in real life and somehow jared used it to related to the movie :) jajaj i totally let my mind alucinate here XD but it would be soo cute!
There's no real difference between Dialect and Language... I called it Dialect in relation to a more standard language reality , that's the Ionic-Attic and then the Koinè. But you should know that in greek Dialektos means Language... Graecia paeninsula parva Europae terra est, sed antiquorum Graecorum fama totum mundum peragrat... Here in our italian schools, people study ancient languages like Latin, and Ancient Greece, we translate authors from antiquity like Cato, Ennius et cetera,
You're absolutely right about that book. I read it a while ago and I thought it was interesting and beautiful. I've been an Alexander/Bagoas fan since then. (Although I love Alexander/Hephaistion as well...)
To the macdon's why do you need acceptance you know who you are, to the enlightened, what is it you gather from this video?. To the doubtful? What do you think changed the world, beyound blessful words, ?
Macedonian language belong to the Greek, (at leas Hellenic) group. In any case I don't understand why are you posting sentences in which I can read "Tizio Caio spoke Macedonian". And so!? I believe you, but what?! What are you trying to say with that? Anyway, do you want to show me your sources where I can read Macedonian (Ancient one, got it?) as Slav language.. And with concrete examples.. Then if you want I'll show mine.
@Vascular15 You assume, in your limited knowledge base, that those three ancient historians are the only three that ever wrote about Alexander and his deeds. You are incredibly wrong, you know. There are many many ancient texts as well as artifacts that depict the bi-sexuality of most all men of that age - from all countries. Alexander enjoyed spoils and debauchery on all levels - that is not argued. Most people agree with me. It's the way it was then. Accept it.
@Vascular15 Try reading some Herodotus, Xenophon, Athenaeus, or even Plato - all those writers of classical antiquity. All accounts from each abounded with the commonplace sexual relationships between men - particularly adult men and adolescent boys. There are attic cups and other pottery plates and reliefs on display at the Louve that depict boys and men copulating. Why can't you handle it, Vascular?
So what?? It's a well known fact that the Macedonians who were proto-Greeks had stayed behind in the extreme north (what is today the northern Greek prefecture of Macedonia) and thus they were uable to participate in the progressive civilisation of the tribes further south. But the Macedonians were still ethnically Greeks, they came from the same gene pool as other Greeks, they spoke Greek, had a Greek culture, and considered themselves Greek.
@Vascular15 Try reading some Paul Cartledge, considered to be the number one leading expert on ancient Green and Macedonian figures. Or - even Quintus Curtius Rufus - as I said - broaden your horizens - expand your small way of thinking. In those times, when two men laid together, it was said the very Gods blessed the union. It was commonplace - in all of Greece, Macedonia, Persia and all of Asia.
damn. this film was good but i think that the bond, the love between Alexander & Hephaistion should have more attention. There should be more scenes with them both because love between those 2 is a historical fact. That bond is pure and natural...
This relationship was the best thing about the movie. :S I know they said they followed Mary Renault a great deal, but... not enough. :(
Awesome video.
Many of A/H videos are too sweet and the music doesn't fit to the film - that's what I don't like about them. But this one is simply perfect. Placebo was a very good choice and the cut of the scenes is amazing as well. All in all this was the best video about this couple I've ever seen. 5/5 and added to my favorites. Thank you for uploading.
Beautiful video!
As for the A/H relationship matter. The "they were a couple" fans and the "thery were frinds" fans seems to forget that ancient Greeks didn't worry about who you had sex with, just what role you took. It was about power and social position. So if a guy took a passive role with someone of lesser social status than him, that was a Bad Thing.But if he took the dominant role, or if he took a passive role with someone of a better social status than him,it didn't matter.
My God! I wish I have a friend like Hephaiston...
Been lookig for this. Love the vid, especially the end!! *favorites*
This is my favourite Alexander/Hephaistion fan vid. The editing, the selection of the song everything is just perfect...And yes I agree that Mary Renault wrote the best historical fiction on ATG. This particular line at the beggining is my favourite from 'Fire From Heaven' btw...Excellent stuff!Alexander + Hephaistion forever!
Awesome tribute, thanks for this BEAUTY. Love the movie, their beautiful true love, the song, Placebo, Jared, etc. Absolutely STUNNING! Congrats.
This is the best A/H video I have seen. Most videos use horribly cheesy songs that just dont fit. But this fits completely. Kudos to whomever made it and thank you for posting it!
It's been, what, 13 years since it. The image is 240p max now yet I still love how well the chosen parts fit the lyrics and I can't listen to this song without thinking of this vid.
Great tribute, they deserve(d) more of it.
The original creator has uploaded this to their own youtube channel: obsessive24. www.youtube.com/@obsessive24/videos Definitely my favourite too!
the best A/H vid i've seen, really amazing!
Beautiful video, amazing work to the creator. Actually if you look in the end credits there's both a name and website of the creator so you should let them know you've uploaded their video.
The creator has uploaded all their vids to youtube now www.youtube.com/@obsessive24/videos
You know life on a deep level, god bless
Your video is perfect, I love it
The original creator has uploaded this to their own youtube channel: obsessive24. www.youtube.com/@obsessive24/videos
i'd like to know who made this because this is ddamn well made !
The creator has uploaded all their vids to youtube www.youtube.com/@obsessive24/videos
@@tipsygirldistraction
This was almost Twenty Years ago 😂
@CAKI
Actually the battle of Chaeronea was a battle
between NORTHERN GREEKS (Macedonians)
of the northern Hellenic Kingdom of Macedonia,
and the SOUTHERN GREEKS (Athenians and
Thebans) of the two southern Hellenic city states
of Athens and Thebes. It was in effect a Civil war
with the purpose of uniting all the city states
and Kingdoms into a single entity that could call itself
Hellas (Greece). And then United as Greeks could
go on and conquer Asia.
Best fan made ever -3
By the way I really like this sing and I'm such a huge fan of Jared Leto LOL
Fac you
love the video
love the movie
love the song
love Jared and Colin *_*
5*
I LOVE THIS VIDEO, it fits perfectly with the music and ... this is just FANTASTIC :D
this is brilliant!
It's just genious!!!
great vid! you´re wonderful ^^
beautiful video...
great editing, amazing music(and sweet people...:)
omg this is so great *_* i sooo loved it
Who cares that Alexander and Hephaestion can be called gays? Their love is way way more beautiful than Romeo and Juliet's to me. The most beautiful and heartbreaking. Stronger than the death.
Are people being lame on here and making homophobic comments? I didn’t see any but obviously you put this comment for a reason so I can infer from context that somebody was being stupid. Perhaps if they were educated properly they would know that throughout history it was quite common for men to wear makeup and engage in homosexual relationships because men were considered equals and therefore capable of a achieving perfection. For most of history, women didn’t even wear makeup, so whose feminine now right? People can be ignorant. It’s best just to pay them no mind, but I can see where you’re coming from. It definitely gets aggravating after a while 😑
Absolutely agree with you. For me most beautiful love story is Alexander- hephestion
love is always beauty
THis is still the best video I've seen for them
Its just Amazing and strikes the most in me
Macedonians (who were ethnically Greek) spoke
Doric Greek a rough, harsh and broad dialect of
northern Greek . Doric Greek was probably
unintelligible to a Greek speaking the
southern Attic Greek dialect. Much like the
northern English 'Brummie' dialect was unintelligble to a Southerner
The evidence is clear to see
on the ancient Macedonian Pella Curse tablet which
is written in Doric Greek as are the 17000 inscriptions
on ancient Macedonian graves all written in Doric Greek.
Best couple ever
@dimalex8 Further more: Alexander inherited the idea of an invasion of the Persian Empire from his father Philip whose advance-force was already out in Asia in 336 BC. Philips campaign had the slogan of "freeing the Greeks" in Asia and "punishing the Persians" for their past sacrileges during their own invasion (a century and a half earlier) of Greece. No doubt, Philip wanted glory and plunder."There is a lot of research about the early Greek years, read them first before commenting nonsense.
OK, one last time, to Vascular15: At the battle of Chaeronea, fought when Alexandros was 16, he commanded the Macedonian heavy cavalry and his soldiers wiped out the best infantry unit in Hellas. This was The Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of 1500 men, 750 pairs of "lovers" with an older man and a younger man trained to fight in pairs. They fought to the last man. The norm was bisexuality. My point is that had they not been lovers it would have been exceptional by the standards of the period.
ooh this is already worth watching because of hephaestion...jareds sexiest role in my opinion..
blackappleseed absolutely right!
QUELS ACTEURS!!!.LE BLUS BEAU FILM
[Richard Stoneman, Honorary professor of Greek,
Exeter University, UK]
"In favour of the Greek identity of the
ancient Macedonians is what we know of their
language [Doric Greek], their place names,
names of the months, and many of their
personal names, especially royal names
which are Greek in roots and form. This suggests
that they did not speak Greek merely as
a lingua franca, but spoke it as natives though
with a local accent."
Jared Leto is the lead singer of 30 seconds to Mars. A talented man is he.
@ultrafragola2000 P.S. I agree on the "blonde" issue.. It woudlnobe so difficult to find a good blonbd actor (anyway, Alessandro Magno was not a redhead?)
This is utterly exquisite!
I agree with the previous comment. Thank you for uploading.
WOW. That was amazing! Loved it!
@dimalex8 . Reed the many thesisses of professor Snodgrass, Emeritus Professor in Classical Archeology at the University of Cambridge: about "Archeology and the Greek State and Archeological Survey" and many more. He did research especially about the Archaic period of Greece (800 BC - 450 BC) that followed the period called The Greek Dark Ages (1200 BC - 800 BC) so there was a Greece long before 450 BC. There is a lot more research about this topic where the Western civilisation was born.
[Chao Tian et al (2009)]
"The closest population to Greeks are
Italians and Tuscans. The low genetic
distance between Greeks and Italians
(the lowest in the fst table, -0.0001 fst)
suggests once again that Southern Italians
are little more than Latin speaking Greeks."
Tuscans are Italian. Tuscany is in Italy.
Beautiful.
The song perfectly describes the situation - it gives you this feeling of fate which absolutely fits the whole area of Alexander and also their relationship.
Sigh... there need to be more Alexander/Hephaistion vids ç___ç!
amazing
want a love story like this
Adriano was not Greek, and was born on 76 a.C. (if I remember well), while Alessandro on 356 b.C, so there is some differences...
really beautifully done video. I just watched the movie a couple of minutes ago and loved it.
the best alexander/hephaistion fanvideo on youtube. the movie would be complete trash, if not for farrell and leto. they created one of the greatest on-screen love-relationships in recent years. it was bold to portray them this way in a major blockbuster movie, even in 2004 (or 2011 as it turns out). it should be acknowledged more.
loving a man was not considered weakness those times. Greeks were especially fond of beauty and perfection, no matter if its male or female or even a building. They were chasing perfection in all aspects, the quote " Ever to Excel" comes from homers iliad. Dont compare modern times and society with one 2000 years ago, back then there were not so many rules and taboo's.
Note: Not all were homo/heterosexual, there was also a non sexual love relationship between men called "platonic love"
Alexander only had one son, Alexander IV, by Roxanne,
but he was killed before he reached adulthood probably
by Cassander.
Turkey did not exist in Alexander's day since the
Turks arrived in Asia minor almost 2000 years later
in the 14th century AD.
Right but he had two sons. One from Roxana and one from Barsine, Herakles, born in 327 BCE and killed in 309.
It is Twenty Years by Placebo. :)
@maryoik You know why he was furious; the
same issue was raised when he was brought
Bagoas: "Are you here of your own free will?".
And - when the answer satisfied the King that
the answer was "Yes", he kept him - the rest
of his life. There are too many references to
Bagoas in antiquity for it to be myth! As with
Hephaistion; despite all the religious, political
and homophobic attempts to bury it - the story
of their love survives!
love story with
I love this song! Great video!)
@NingyoHimeDoll Alexander was very likely to be a bi-sexual anyway as it was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Macedonia to have a male lover as well as a wife
The language spoke by the ancient Macedonians
was north-western Greek. It was a dialect of
Greek called Doriic Greek. The Athenian dialect
was Attic Greek.
The Doric Greek spoken by Macedonians was
a rough and broad dialect of Greek and probably
unintelligible to Athenians who spoke Attic Greek
but nevertheless Macedonian was Greek in root,
form and ethnic termination.
@bookkeeper57 First- he had one (1) child
(a marriage consumated to provide that son!)
But, as historians confirm - his "lover" was Heph-
aistion; and when he was away he slept with the
famous "Persian Boy" of history, Bagoas, not the
wife(s). Only the mother of his son was a real
marriage - the other three were not taken serious
by anyone except the politicos intended! Funny
how despite all the effort to bury his being gay -
its his love for Hephaistion that endures...
@maryoik Sure - Greece was a very heroic nation in ancient times - but nothing now. Not one bit of anything. Greece would be a beautiful vacation spot and I'm sure Greece is beautiful. Tourism is probably vital to Greece's economy.
[Robin Lane Fox, Historian, University College Oxford, UK]
"Macedonia is a Greek speaking Kingdom
in northern Greece, populated by people
using Greek names, Greek months of the
year, worshipping Greek gods. Those who
live in Skopje [Republic of macedonia, FYROM]
and say that that is Macedonia, are as
ignorant and outrageous as if someone
was to say Oxford University was in Byelorus,
and Oxford was in Minsk."
And in the Film Alexander, it makes it clear
that Alexander and the ancient Macedonians
were GREEKS.
hahahh it doesent
The Grave of Alexander's son Alexander IV
has already been found in Aegea (modern Vergina).
12/57אץ האמת לעולם אי אפשר לדעת👌🌎הסודות נקברו עם אלסנדרו באדמה 💚
[ N G L Hammond, Professor of Greek, fellow
of the British Academy]
"As members of the Greek race and
speakers of the Greek language, the
ancient Macedonians shared the ability to
initiate ideas and create political forms."
('The Miracle that was Macedonia',p.206)
yay i like this part, and placebo rules too. Good mix!!
@dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
Если ты шипперишь Александра и Гефестиона в 21 году или позже, то знай - ты не один
When he crossed the Hellespont Alexandros was careful to observe the historical precedents of his policy to act as the representative of all the Hellenes. He sacrificed at Troy at the altar of Achilles. Hephaistion sacrificed at the altar of Patroclus. This well-settled fact indicates that the two men saw themselves as related to each other in the same way as Achilles and Patroclus. Under the conventions of classical Greece if they had not been lovers it would have been unusual, not the converse
Побратимы по обряду Ахиллеса - это не фиванский союз Геракла. Побратимством связывали себя совсем юные подростки, практически мальчики. Эротическая составляющая у них была минимальной.
Alexander had three sons , one ruled turkey one went to china and one ruled sumatr as sri maharaja dirija. (malaysian histroy)
Then who was executed
History said one of his son alexander the 3rd was executed
Ancient Macedonians spoke north-western Greek
which was a rough broad dialect of Greek known
as a composite of Aeolic and Doric Greek.
It was such a rough dialect it would have been difficult
for Athenians who spoke the more refined Attic Greek
to understand it.
In much the same way the English Geordie dialect was
completely unintelligible to someone from London 100 years ago,
and still today is difficult to understand.
The ancient Greek historians and geographers from the classical and the post-classical period, Ephoros, Pseudo-Skylax, Dionysius son of Kalliphon, and Dionysius Periegetes, all put the northern borders of Greece at the line from the Ambracian Gulf in the west to the Peneios River to the east, thus excluding Macedonia from Greece.
I love this video :D Though it's strange that my Global Studies teacher showed us this in class..
@CAKItard
[Dr. Orvill Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist/Linguist]
"The significance of the term 'macedonian',
has changed. The modern country called
'Republic of macedonia', [FYROM], is populated
primarily by Slavic people of Bulgarian origin
and Albanians...............The Original Ancient
Region of Macedonia [in Northern Greece],
was the land of a Greek speaking ancient
Greek ethnic group called 'Macedonians' - the
people of Alexander the Great."
perfect!
@CAKItard
[Dr. Orville Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist / Linguist]
"The significance of the term 'macedonian' has
changed.
The modern country called FYRmacedonia is
populated primarily by Slavic people of Bulgarian
origin................The Original Ancient Region
of Macedonia [in Northern Greece], was the
land of a Greek speaking ancient Greek
ethnic group called Macedonians - the people
of Alexander the Great."
[Eugene Borza, Professor Emeritus, Princeton University,
USA]
"The ancient Macedonians themselves originated
from the SAME population pool that produced
other Greek peoples."
"The [Macedonians][..] are derived from north-
Western Greek stock."
('Makedonika', 1995)
@Vascular15 : why is it weak? Are you using modern standards to judge the evidence. We don't have a plethora of good information about Alexandros. The surviving histories are all tertiary sources: they relied on earlier histories which are lost, and all of the primary sources in the form of writings are basically lost. If you assume that bisexuality is the norm, not deviant, it is strong evidence. Bisexuality in this situation was a norm in Classical Greece.
[John V A Fine, 'The Greeks a Critical History',
Harvard University Press, 1983, pp 605-608]
"Modern scholars, now almost unanimously
recognise the ancient Macedonians as Greeks,
a branch of the Dorian and North-western Greeks
who after long residence in the Pindus region
migrated eastwards."
OMG! 5* That's cool
very nice ;)
@maryoik I disagree with you on this point, maryoik. There are many more reliable sources than those you mentioned. A lot of them are not greek.
@maryoik Excuse the ranting of both sides in this
debate - that should be kept to a scholarly level:
Contrary to what you & Vascular say Plutarch
called Bagoas Alexander's "eromenos" and all
the credible writers of the day, and those that
recounted the lost records of Gen. Ptolemy &
Aristoboulos; while referring to those that
"loved" Alexander, refers to Hephaistion
alone as "Alexander's lover"... Renault says
proof exists to a "certainty!" Why must we
keep hearing "deniers"...
5 stars again. I'm simply in love with this video.
JE NE ME LASSE PAS DE REGARDER CE VIDEO-CLIP.
[Robin Lane Fox, Historian, Oxford University, UK]
"Macedonia is a Greek speaking Kingdom
in northern Greece, populated by people
using Greek names, Greek months of the year,
worshipping Greek gods. Those who live in
Skopje (FYRmacedonia) and say that that
is Macedonia, are as ignorant and outrageous
as if someone was to say Oxford University
was in Byelorus, and Oxford was in Minsk."
@AlyJoLuv As far as i know Alexander was strawberry blond,with olive green eyes and suntan skin.
But i don't like esthetically Farrel.
Maybe Stone could tried with Jude Law.
@maryoik I do not speak greek, you are right, maryoik. Although I do think greek is a beautiful language. I wish I did speak it. I am sorry but I do not understand the meaning of your last posting. I would never understand anyone speaking Greek, that is true. You have a nice night and take care as well.
The historical Macedonians, a tribe of North Greece spoke a north greek dialect... They belonged (partly or not) to the greek language and ethnic group. You should buy a book of Ancient Greek language or an History Book .. If you aren't able to do so, I'll scan a page for you.
Can you please show me your sources?
@CAKItard
The latest genetic evidence on modern Greeks shows
them to be descended from the Seima-Turbino culture,
and that the earliest known homeland of the Greeks
was from the forests of the northern Russian steppes
2000 BC.
[Chao Tian et al (2009)] " The closest population
to modern Greeks are Southern Italians and Tuscans.
The low genetic distance between Greeks and Italians
(-0.0001 fst table), suggests once again that southern
Italians are are little more than Latin speaking Greeks."
ur video was great!! u use one of my favorites songs also i love it ;) they're the best couple :). have you notice that the sound of the eagle that apears like a lot in the movie it's the same sound in the beginning of "kings and queens" i would be so cute that they we're together in real life and somehow jared used it to related to the movie :) jajaj i totally let my mind alucinate here XD but it would be soo cute!
There's no real difference between Dialect and Language... I called it Dialect in relation to a more standard language reality , that's the Ionic-Attic and then the Koinè. But you should know that in greek Dialektos means Language...
Graecia paeninsula parva Europae terra est, sed antiquorum Graecorum fama totum mundum peragrat... Here in our italian schools, people study ancient languages like Latin, and Ancient Greece, we translate authors from antiquity like Cato, Ennius et cetera,
You're absolutely right about that book. I read it a while ago and I thought it was interesting and beautiful. I've been an Alexander/Bagoas fan since then. (Although I love Alexander/Hephaistion as well...)
one of the best vids i've seen about the 2 of them
To the macdon's why do you need acceptance you know who you are, to the enlightened, what is it you gather from this video?. To the doubtful? What do you think changed the world, beyound blessful words, ?
Macedonian language belong to the Greek, (at leas Hellenic) group. In any case I don't understand why are you posting sentences in which I can read "Tizio Caio spoke Macedonian". And so!? I believe you, but what?! What are you trying to say with that?
Anyway, do you want to show me your sources where I can read Macedonian (Ancient one, got it?) as Slav language.. And with concrete examples.. Then if you want I'll show mine.
parfaitement PARFAIT
I've watched this movie about 10 times, and it still make me cry
ps: sorry for any mistakes, my english isn't perfect
I wouldn't be so sure about that...
@Vascular15 You assume, in your limited knowledge base, that those three ancient historians are the only three that ever wrote about Alexander and his deeds. You are incredibly wrong, you know. There are many many ancient texts as well as artifacts that depict the bi-sexuality of most all men of that age - from all countries. Alexander enjoyed spoils and debauchery on all levels - that is not argued. Most people agree with me. It's the way it was then. Accept it.
@Vascular15 Try reading some Herodotus, Xenophon, Athenaeus, or even Plato - all those writers of classical antiquity. All accounts from each abounded with the commonplace sexual relationships between men - particularly adult men and adolescent boys. There are attic cups and other pottery plates and reliefs on display at the Louve that depict boys and men copulating. Why can't you handle it, Vascular?
So what?? It's a well known fact that the
Macedonians who were proto-Greeks had stayed
behind in the extreme north (what is today the
northern Greek prefecture of Macedonia) and thus
they were uable to participate in the progressive
civilisation of the tribes further south. But the
Macedonians were still ethnically Greeks, they
came from the same gene pool as other Greeks,
they spoke Greek, had a Greek culture,
and considered themselves Greek.
@Vascular15 Try reading some Paul Cartledge, considered to be the number one leading expert on ancient Green and Macedonian figures. Or - even Quintus Curtius Rufus - as I said - broaden your horizens - expand your small way of thinking. In those times, when two men laid together, it was said the very Gods blessed the union. It was commonplace - in all of Greece, Macedonia, Persia and all of Asia.