ESPN TOP 25 UNDER 25 … is interesting
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2023
- Reacting to the ESPN Top 25 under 25 list.
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Alpi behind K Murray, Henderson, Kessler, Duren, Giddey is crazy xD. Dude is only 21 and Houston Offense flows through him already.
I think the issue with ESPN lists are they never pick an actual side/theme properly. Instead of strictly going for potential or where players are currently at they do this weird mix of both. What usually ends up happening is they just lean on their bias for certain players and you get a list like this where certain things just don't make sense.
ESPN for you
Yeah this list clearly isn’t based on potential,
Jaden mcdaniels not being here is crazy
big sports media continues to disrespect Jaden for some reason...even though a lot of smart people realize and have actually said that he is the best perimeter defender in the league. lebron even said that the guy who gives him the most trouble is Jaden. btw, he's a 40+% shooter from beyond the arc.
Thank you. Alphie is so good. Dudes only 21 and his bbiq is already screaming out of his body
His bbq chicken iq is high 😂
Scottie is an enigma, a chameleon, and or a glitch....He could easily be in the top 7....but the media just don't know what they're looking at, so they'll over look him for now, and just put him near the middle.
facts, ngl they just look at his sophomore "slump" forgetting the excellence he displayed in key moments last year. Ant gets a pass for his 2nd year slump, but no love for scottie? let them sleep mate hes gonna come out as one of the best in the league
@@gavinsullivan9560Ant had a niggling knee injury the whole season that sapped both his athleticism and lift on his jumpshot, so yes, Ant gets a pass.
@@LewAka scottie had nagging ankle issues the entirety of last year
@@gavinsullivan9560 Ant numbers increased his sophomore year from his rookie year. While Scotties stayed the exact same so it's different. Plus Ant made the playoffs his 2nd year lol
@@dre7147Scottie made the playoffs his first year and almost had a triple double in his first game before getting injured in the third
You one of the few guys that truly appreciate sengun potential. Averaging 18-9-7 in a GREAT system defence under ime. All that defence talk is true but it was blown way out of proportion due to the war criminal coaching of Stephen Silas.
They made my boy play drop against Dame😭😞😞
JJJ over Mobley, Chet and Paolo is kinda crazy
I would get it if they’re talking about rn but it’s about potential so yea ally those players should be over JJJ. I’m also surprised Victor isn’t number one by the way they was hyping him up lol. Talking about how he’s gonna be the goat n shii💀
Yea especially because for this list he’s old ash, being one of the few players on the list who is actually close to 25 he’s had way more experience than others to find his way to maximize potential. Yet every year it feels like we’re having the conversation of him being a great player but never being elite enough to get memphis over the hump by being the ultimate sidekick to Ja. He dominates defensively every night which is great but the other aspects of his game like rebounding & scoring are wayyyy to inconsistent to be that old in this list & have him that high.
Putting Paolo at 8 and 11 is crazy
Sure, Scottie Barnes is playing out of his mind right now, but I would actually have him closer to top 5 because of the MVP potential. If this team puts the pieces together around him… he’s doing what he’s doing with Pascal Siakam as his main movement shooter 😅
As a Blazers fan, I just don't see how they choose Scoot over Shaedon. I still believe that Scoot will be a very good player, but I feel like Shaedon clearly has a much higher ceiling.
Yeah whether this is based off of right now or potential, i dont see how Shaedon isnt on here when he was leading the 2022 class in scoring so far this season. How the hell is Scoot even on this list, all we’ve seen is a few flashes before he got hurt 😭
And simons
Really happy for the Scottie praise 🙏🏽
great video P. i can't articulate it well but your presentation makes it easy to sit down and really listen to you for the entire video, keep em coming homie
love watchign the ttw podcast and seeing u find out about the espn article and bam u got a video up SHEESH
Mekhi’s Top 25 Under 25
1. Luka 2. Ant 3. Zion 4. Vic 5. Ja 6. Hali 7. Scottie 8. Chet 9. Paolo 10. Cade 11. DG 12. Herro 13. JJJ 14. Melo 15. Maxey 16. Sengun 17. Cam Thomas 18. Duren 19. Franz 20. Mobley 21. Anfernee 22. Giddey 23. Jalen Green 24. JDub 25. Keegan
tried to be a non homer but i truly believe CT got top 10 potential
I like ur list. Scottie at 8 sounds about right, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he climbs higher. I think Franz should be way higher as well
evan mobley is mad overrated, he's great defensively but will never get there offensively
Yup he gets spoon fed his buckets from Garland and Donovan who draw in defenders
As a Cavs fan I fear you are correct. He hasn't developes much offensively yet and he's very passive.
Paolo is 6 for me. Cade is a little lower even though he’s one of my favorite players.
Man nobody on this list is even close to Luka in regards to what he does on the court & what he’s achieved at age 24 is insane
ants two way prowess is more important than what luka does rn
@@blakekubat2137 😂🤣 go talk WNBA lol
@@aminetaganza5613 stick to anime bud
@@blakekubat2137?? Ant not even close to Luka
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx potential wise, he has a higher ceiling. Rn, he’s a top defender at his position, and can drop 30+ whenever he wants
Herro is using this year to prove he belongs in a top 5 shooting guard conversation
Top 5 too high
Herro is already way too low on this list realistically.
He’s not Tyler is overt and injury prone he can score the ball like a mf but dats only on some given nights
If anyone watched Lamelo battle Luka the other night you know his potential when he puts everything together is sky high
As a Rockets fan, I’ll speak on another player that I think highly of, on this list and that’s Jalen Duren. That man is a beast at ironically 19. The way I’ve seen him start the year and just the shape he is in is remarkable. He’s a walking double double for sure. Hopefully he keeps getting better cause he’s going to be an all star one day
super on topic whats yo starbucks order P btw love the new pod
aint no way paolo should be that low
He ain’t better than anyone above him and those guys are still young and expected to keep improving I would even put Scottie above him
he's averaged 26 7 7 in his last three, and that's not improving?@@Casualfan101
@@Casualfan101you’re not telling me maxey and Lamelo are over him
@@MagicBound22they are, imo he’s 12 though!
@@JayX7 that’s crazy paolo does way more on the court than Maxey. No way the #1 pick is 14
Love the content man !
When I saw this list first thing that popped into my head was "Walker Kessler over Sengun HELL NAHH"
No disrespect to Walker Kessler, i just really think Sengun is like that
That’s what I said about Sengun as well as a Rockets fan he’s our franchise player at this point ahead of Green but they are both very promising
I just don't see how Scottie is at 15, he has the playmaking, rebounding, can score, and defends at an elite level. He's already an all around player at 22 and still raw. If he wasn't on the Raptors he'd be way higher. Every advanced stat shows Scottie lapping his draft class in almost every metric.
Damn we should just respect how much young talent we have in the nba right now
would love a video of you making like a 25-50 under 25 list of some other young guys who you like a lot. maybe players who don’t get a ton of playing time yet but if you’re really tapped in you’ll notice.
Scottie Barnes is objectively top 10.
Objectively he's a top 15 player in the nba right now
Scottie Barnes is better than at least 8 people listed above him
Yo P, for future reference have a list on the side with google docs or whatever to have YOUR list vs ESPN, etc’s list.
Good Job P 🔥
I think Halliburton brings enough as a complete player that he could get to an mvp level he has high level scoring ( I agree not super high level scoring) his playmaking is at an elite level already and he has the length and athletic ability to be an extremely good defender/grab some boards
watching while in my Government class
Hali is gonna be a future Steve Nash type mvp guy, a cp3 in his best seasons type of guy. No doubt he’s a top 5 mvp guy year after year and this is coming from a raptors fan
I was high on Jalen Green, but it looks like he needs time.
I truly believe Sengun will be an all-star and all-nba someday in the future
sengun lowkey might be an allstar this year if the rockets keep this level of play up
P, you and my boy are both Podcast P that’s fire 🔥
I think Paolo should be way higher. Ask me to start a franchise. I’m taking him over Hali Cade Zion Garland Melo Jaren, all them. I think he has MVP potential
Definitely not taking him over Haliburton. Hali is leading the best offense in the NBA right now averaging 24 and 12 on 50/40/90 splits. I want someone that makes everyone around him better and it’s not unrealistic to believe Hali is the best passer in the NBA.
no mention of cam thomas is hilarious when he’s the main reason the nets have been competitive. arguably a “system” player
Cade Cunningham hype is way too overblown. Just because he was a number 1 overall pick. Thus far, scottie, Mobley, franz and giddey have all been better nba players than him. He is just wayyyy too high in this list
This is such a Kenny title for the video haha
people sleeping on brandon miller man
I would love to pull J-Dub up but it’s tough with the players ahead of him so I think he’s pretty appropriate but I do agree I link his link with SGA more than Giddey, would love to see Giddey get a go somewhere else and see what the Thunder could get from him and some picks
I love the opening message so much. W P
I think the the list isn’t terrible 1-9 Chet should definitely be higher and maxey over jjj. Paolo as well probably. I’m high on Jaylen Williams. He has a high motor with high talent in my opinion so I can see him up there on the level of Scottie barns. Jaylen green on some other teams would have helped his development in my opinion but I mean it don’t work like that. But decent list
Thank you P for talking about disagreements. I’m so tired of this “you’re a casual” or “you’re too young” shit that is so popular right now in NBA talk. Can’t even talk to people about basketball anymore. It’s just *opinion* “I disagree so you’re a casual.”
The Sengun disrespect is crazy
Josh Giddey can be great on another team but he needs an active team around him because hes great at reading cuts and working Out of bounds plays. Teams like the Bulls, Hawk, etc just arent gonna do that cuz they are somewhat “lazy” teams where as the Thunder have seemed to bought into their system. Giddey could be really good with a team like the Warriors, Pacers or Spurs wheres there movement and high IQ ball.
Better audio bro thank you watched all the way to the end
P what are your thoughts on Devin vassell potentially being on this list
i got 1.Luka 2.Wemby 3.Ant 4.Ja 5.Hali 6.Chet 7.Banchero 8. Zion 9. Maxey 10. Scottie B 11. Mobley 12. Cade 13. Sengun 14. Melo 15. Garland
Wemby bust banchero over Chet and sengun also better than Chet
Potential for Barnes is higher than 15, he legit has the ability to be much higher. His defense and IQ are often overlooked, sometimes I think these lists give too much merit to offense and not enough on defense.
Scottie does was no player on this list can which should give him the highest potential, he's a great passer/playmaker, defender from 1 through 5, and has started to become a consistent scorer who can space the floor. If Scottie had the greenlight like Cade, he'd easily average 25+ ppg. This list rewards scoring but scottie's the most complete player here
"based on potential" I dont think you can convince me that Vic and Chet are 10 spots apart.
They should be 1 and 2
@@taj3618 Over Luka and Ant? Hahahahahaha!
@@jasonmorse1116 based on potential yeah. 2 7+ft big that can do everything. That sounds crazy
I think what you have not done is factoring in potential to bust thats probably what espn has done to some capacity eg holmgren or scottie and for vic probably his potantial is so high that it outways the bust factor
Imo if your gonna put Vic at 3 then why not just put him at 2?
In my opinion not including the dilemmas and problems he has, but Ja, as I said in my opinion, should be for above Tyrese. I love Tyrese's game but I don't see him ever being a MVP as you said P. But I do see Ja in the future being at least in MVP talks just as Luka. I don't know if you'd see this but what do you think of Brandon Miller not being in the list. I feel like he has shown more than Scoot has. Whatcha think P? Btw I'm warriors fan so I'm not being biased towards any guy here
Zach lavine as Jalen greens comp sounds about right if your talkn bout accuracy, but I could see him being a J.R Smith type guy at his peak. Just feels like he’ll be that end of shotclock grenade on a rlly good team, n shit, he’d b a good one at that
I think all the thunder guys individually are ranked too high . I think everyone is smokin the thunder pack (which I think is totally warranted, they’re a damn great young team) but as individual prospects they’re taking team success and using that to rate these guys higher
agreed , i love jdub but personally idk if both of them should be on the list let alone that high
just noticed jaden mcdaniels didn’t make it. would like to see how low he fell. like did he just miss it or something.
right? Mcdaniels being snubbed seems crazy to me , idk if I’m putting jdub giddey and Keegan all over him, and I like Keegan n jdub a lot
im a Rockets fan but Walker Kesler over Al P is crzy to me
P definitely one of the realest in the game! 💯💯💯
Where you putting Cade?
Josh Giddey would eat in SA with Wemby & Pop
Wow I actually really love this idea I never thought of this. That would be amazing
Aint no way you think Tyrese maxey and Darius garland a debate man. Its no way bro
What do y’all think about kuminga on this list?
No
Ngl u spittin Shadeon sharpe shouldve been on the list and he wouldve been HIGH for me
Tbh, I think Jdub has a sort of Baby Paul George potential. I'm def biased, but he's very well rounded at the moment with a few things to iron out on (Obviously since he's in his sophomore season). I also say Paul George specifically since in his early years he wasn't much of 1st option to the pacers, but he continued to improve on different aspects over the seasons/offseasons until he became that 1st option. JDub is already targeting that 2nd Option along with Chet, I'm curious where he could end up potential wise just because we see some players be well-rounded, but they hit a certain touches wall that they kind of impose on themselves.
Seriously Ik this is biased coming from a diehard pacers fan, if tyrese Haliburton can average 25+ and 12+ assists with his offensive capabilities I don’t think it is crazy to think he could reach MVP status. Look at what he’s doing now, it’s year 4 and he is leading the number 1 offense in the league with no true number two option.
I really feel like Josh giddy should be a lot higher. I really do see multiple time all star in his future. I've been high on him since about halfway through his rookie year but man I love Josh giddy. I could see him being at 15, which isn't a big jump but I definitely think 18 is his absolute floor, and probably 14 is his high.
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i know the injuries might lower his value but strictly off potential zion has to be top 3 maybe top 2. only wemby n maybe luka or ant got ceiling thats close to zions
Zion should be top 5, if we go on potential. When he’s out there, Pels are top 5 in the West.
Garland and JJJ should be under 12-15. I’d have Shaedon or the Thompsons over guys like Herro or Keegan.
My dawg! Yo I feel like maxey should be higher he’s in same tier as haliburton. Zion should be higher as well
Maxey shouldn’t be that high his potential ain’t better than Chet Mobley and paolo
Zion should be lower… he doesn’t play
Maxey ceiling is 3 option and maybe, just maybe 2 option on a championship team. Ain’t no team gon win a chip is maxey is ur second best player dawg u tripping he should prolly be lower💀
To an extent I think we know the max of Walker
To say Luka playstyle is Lebronish then ask if u can win that way is hilarious. Also he may play similar to Harden, difference is Luka's game has transitioned to the playoffs much better. Oh and BTW he's under 25. Great vid
Keegan Murray at #24, 2nd to last, should be a crime. He broke the rookie 3-point record his first season. Who else on this list doing that? Luka was #2 if I remember correctly.
I think Tyrese has mvp qualities, by that I mean 25 and 12 with the first seed
25 and 12 is no longer mvp qualities unfortunately
Here’s my take for the football guys out here…. There are 20 wide receivers from 10-20 in the rankings it kinda feels the same way from 8-15 for me on this list 12 guys fighting for 8 spots or so
i’m a pacers fan i’m trying to be unbiased i think haliburtion can be in mvp talks at some point in his career but i think he is a superstar right now but i don’t necessarily think to be a superstar you have to be in mvp talks like anthony davis he’s easily a superstar but he won’t be in mvp talks
Commenting on every post until you realize that I noticed that you’re the goat 🫶🏾🫶🏾
Dev vassell need to be here
Paolo has to be top 10, I don’t think Cade should be 6th but I can see just out of top 10.
No RJ or IQ is crazy
Jaren jackson Jr to be under 25 and win dpoy is amazing. He's a power forward not everybody can play center. I would give him #6
Sengun at 25 is crazy , trey Murphy and mcdaniels should also be there
For me i think the rockets are not going to have a main guy i think they have three really good all-star
I feel like off peoples projection before this year Scoot is craxy low
Shaedon Sharpe isn’t here and it’s based on potential?
We have a dpoy 10 it's not based on current it'sa projection but man if JJJ improves even slightly offensively and continues his high level defense. We're talking perennial all star all NBA. don't know if some of the guys above him are on his level. Simply because his two way ability. If he ever became an inside presence on boards with a decent jumper 20/10 3 block type guy I think that's extremely valuable more so than the purely offensive players above him. Not a terrible spot but he might be a top 5 guy I think.
Chet has a way higher ceiling than evan mobley
Only thing that bugs me about this list is that Chet is below Mobley. I know they’re right next to each other, but Chet’s offensive potential is so much higher than Mobley, though Mobley is definitely a better defender Chet could get to that level.
My top 25 under 25 based off POTENTIAL🔥
1. Luka
2. Wembanyama
3. Ant
4. Chet
5. Ja
6. Haliburton
7. Zion
8. Mobley
9. Banchero
10. Cade
11. Lamelo
12. Jaren
13. Sengun
14. Scottie
15. Garland
16. Maxey
17. Giddey
18. Franz
19. Green
20. Herro
21. Jdub
22. Duren
23. McDaniels
24. Sharpe
25. Poole 😳
Scottie 14th is wild, hes top 10 as a bulls fam and sharpe is over green and herro
I’m taking, Chet, mobley, palo, and Scottie potential over jjj and DG
Only take I think I thoroughly disagree with is walker kessler. On potential he has a potential to be a 10-15 ppg, 12-15rpg, 1spg, 3-4bpg that is someone who can be a multiple year DPOY in my opinion; but I understand what you mean with other people having much more offensive upside, I just value the bigs who stay healthy and are defensively consistent
This may be a hot take but I don’t see the ceiling of Haliburton being much higher than he is now, in my personal opinion I feel like he is already at his celling which is already good and he’s definitely a top 5 player on this list currently but when we start talking about future potential I don’t see him being in that spot he’s in, he too high for me when I see guys like you said who seem like they can have that MVP potential be below him
Warriors fan: I’d pick Sengun over Jalen to build my team around. Also I’m putting Mobley, Chet, Paolo, and Scottie above lamelo and JJJ
Haha I said this right before I heard P say comment if you’re unbiased haha
Faded cade so hard lmao
PIERRE THE MF GOAT BRO
IMO, not being bias, I think Kessler should be one spot higher. I feel like his defense clears Jalen Green's offense.
Chet feels too low
I think Tyrese Halliburton can win an mvp on sum Steve Nash shit