Milan SL mk7 Velomobile - Full Review
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- This is my review of the Milan SL mk7 sent to me by Jan from Velomobileworld.com. So far I have been able to ride only about 600 km with it, but the winter is coming and Milan is definietly not a winter bike.
Milan SL provided by: www.velomobileworld.com
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:33 Configuration
1:23 Features of mk7 Milan
3:16 BM Hood
5:07 Interior space
5:57 Drainage
6:31 Riding position
7:35 Short cranks
8:12 How does it ride?
9:06 Narrow racing tyres
9:37 Speed
10:26 Brakes are not good
11:15 A secret
11:30 Conclusion
12:05 Is this any good?
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"Listen to Uncle Saukki: It's for your own good!"
I'm genuinely laughing right now!
Great warts-and-all review, thank you.
also about sock plug
@@weaccount socks with holes 😂
Man, this video is really pro quality! You've become very good at this!
Excellent review well presented. Jan made a good decision sending you this. It's not just a review for buyers, it's suggestions for improvements to Jan...
The video quality is very good! I can notice the improvement compared to older videos on the channel. Good job, and thanks for that great review!
Nice video and review, Saukki. It'll be interesting to see the speed tests next summer.
Thank you Saukki great review!
Thank you for this. It will help me a lot in my desicion making.
Good production mate 👍
Thanks for the review.
Great video, Uncle Saukki, with all the pros and cons. Thank you! Don't worry about a finnish accent. Most people can understand that.
Sweat puddle!! Aargh! Great videos, you are a one off Saukki! Thanks
I think they are still using 70mm brakes because of the parts shortage. They said something about that on their channel.
Can't wait to see more from uncle Sauki!
Just got my new Bulk with 140 mm crank love it !!
Especialy interesting was about the the lenght of the pedal cranks. I've never tought of it as that important for the effectivenes of the power output. The effect seams to multiply it self within the contained space of the velomobiles shell. Thank you, Uncle Saukki.
Yeah, I had problems with my shoes touching to the body in Milan I was testing earlier. It had 155 mm cranks. So there seems to be a lot of benefits from shorter cranks.
Enjoyed this one. Pretty good reviewing details. I think you were objective enough, while giving your your near expert insight on features. That's your performance. Thank you Saukki.
As far as the Milan...
It started to remind me of "Sheldon" and dust ruffles.
It exists because there is dust!
With the Milan you were quick to mention all the drain holes. Seems like there is a lot of opportunity for moisture to get in. Like air management, and loose fitting parts, I agree this is where improvements can be made.
You see humps for knees, and this being the internet, I see the valley. Is this detail really that much improvement in aerodynamics? The valley could disappear, becoming more room inside for better...
And sometimes I lose sight of the everyday velo vs. a racing velo. Maybe you could help us understand how this is shaking out in the industry.
Very nicely done video and informative and short and funny 😄 😆 😀 👏 👍 🤣 😄
Excellent
90 mm S.A. drums, yes. Using them on velotilt but with 50mm gocycle tires. Wims love em.
Very very good comprehensive review. I like the body design considerations (space for feet and knees) and vents and I actually do like the aesthetic. What I don't like is the lack of space and the way the hood works. I think it should have a proper arm to hold it up when you exit the vehicle. Also the beeper is the most annoying thing ever haha. Finally the luggage space is just a little less than I would want for touring with camping gear, which this seems really good for given the efficiency. I would love to see a more practical Milan with these improvements but I think it's more like a really refined road race bike or sports car and for fast rides on sunny days, and it's clearly almost perfect for that use case. I am just trying to set my heart on the perfect velo for when my circumstances allow me to get one and your videos are the best for getting a real understanding of what these vehicles are like day to day. I cannot wait for more speed data and testing, hopefully a lot of good winter videos to enjoy before we can find out what this is capable of.
You are describing the Milan GT! I have a GT and it offers more space for luggage, has bigger ground clearance and allows for wider tires: more practical than SL, and only a very little bit slower. In fact, a friend of mine rides a SL and at normal cruising speed, we run exact same power numbers. Only when sprinting well over 60, the difference becomes noticeable
@@ajv.l5223 thanks very much for the information! I will be daydreaming and riding regular bikes until I get a house with a garage, but the GT is now firmly on my radar as a less compromised fast velo
It would be great to learn what are the practical differences between SL and GT as well!
Excellent review. Very objective and practical for a velonaut. The only problem is....now I want a Milan SL mk7! Damn you, Uncle Saukki, now I sleep on the couch cause the wife is mad at me 🤣 I do like the way it looks though. It looks like an old race car with a massive V12 engine and power bulges. Lovely. I think it's the prettiest velomobile on the market.
With you in it, it HAS a massive engine :-)
Its look like oleander hawk caterpillar. Nice looking velo👍👍👍
NOISE!!!
Hi Saukki, it's NACA, with a 'k', not NASA. 😉 Good video btw!
Also, if you could get to test out a Snoek, that would be awesome!
Well that's not the only word I had problems in this video. The raw unedited voice-over track was pretty hilarious. English is so damn hard.
I don't think uncle saukki will fit in a Snoek!!😂
@@TheVelomobileChannel I am very impressed how good your English is. I cannot speak a word of Finnish and, from all accounts, would struggle...
@@TheVelomobileChannel I mean, apart from some finnish accents (like the way you finnish people pronounce tt, I watch F1 and Valtteri Bottas is one of the drivers. The way he says his name is kinda weird. You guys seem to pause at tt.) your english is really good!!
@@caspervanosch8654 Then we have to shorten him a bit. He won't really need all of his legs, will he?
Thanks a lot for your videos uncle Saukki ! I got a few questions for you...
You're going to do some speed tests. How about some urban riding tests ? I live in a big city and its around 10 kms to reach the countryside. Will i be respected and will i take some real risks at the intersections ?
I hav seen other videos of the lupin lights and turning signals at night on DF. They seem weak as f... I am eye impaired and i would rather like actual motobike lights to see at least 40 m before me... Also, i think turning signals are basically not visible especially in day light. Are you confident enough that they are seen ?
How about using the hood when its summer and temperature above 25°C ? here we have almost 90 days above that and people say they just can't use the hod at all. Could you compare the speed of BM hood vs full lid like when you did quest with hood vs quattrovelo without ? like that they would figure out what they miss... :)
Thanks for your really nice content, its always interesting and funny !
Thanks! Great video ideas 👍
About the lights:
The single IQ-X headlight is not powerful enough for night riding. So I do recommend upgrading to the Lupine SL-AX, which should be much more powerful. You can also get Kellerman (motorcycle) tail lights which I think are better than the standard ones. I have a feeling these standard lights I have are not visible enough on road. I feel more comfortable with Quattrovelo standard lights, which are much better. (Well basically it has same lights and leds, but positioned much better. )
Thanks tiooo saukki !! Will keep that in mind for further purchase!
Beautiful, you review a velo at the request of the manufacturer, then get flagged for your opinion? When will this ever end? Love your videos, have watched you for years. My ultimate purchase will be a Quest with electric assist, 63 years old living with bad hips, but the ride, over months, will make me svelte.
I got flagged on Strava for being too fast. Nothing to do with my opinions.
Great video Saukki,how good do you fit in the Milan SL MK7,i am 188cm,105kg,90cm inseam,46 size shoes would i fit in the Milan?
I would say that you probably won’t fit in Milan SL. You should try Milan GT, it’s little bit larger.
"But the sock was very smelly" , Awsome !
Some info:
- The hood part of the regular hood does not fit inside (not even in a GT).
- The cable for keeping the hood up is very annoying: After a while it starts to hit my knee. I know have a little thingy on my water bottle in which I press the cable to hold it down when I'm riding.
- Concerning drainage: I drilled a few drainage holes below my elbows.
- After some km's, the seat gets loose when you move inside of the bike or hit a bump at speed. The seat can jump out of the supports. It would be better to somehow fix the seat to the floor.
- Concerning tires: On an SL 35mm Durano's work quite okay. I run my GT on 38mm tires but that's too much for the SL I think.
- The SL is really small, but I really consider the GT a practical bike, basically a true GT. Big enough to carry my clothes, laptop, shoes etc., but really fast once you hit open road.
- How dare you call lady Milans boobs weird?!
Thanks for the info! Very helpful.
Hi Kevin,
I'm looking for a Milan SL at the moment to be used for commuting. I fit in fine, but with what you say, would you prefer the GT for extra storage? I need to carry laptop, work clothes, lunch etc.
@@MrPeterBL It all depends on how you pack it. I would always choose the smallest velomobile that fits my body and work from there.
Can help you further with some details though - have experience with both Milan SL and GT and the Bülk. What social media with DM functionality do you have? I have LinkedIn, MeWe, Instagram.
My replies seem to be getting deleted, but you can DM on the work related social media.
I work at Lolland Kommune.
I have 40 mm tires on my SL. I even had Scorchers which are actually 44 mm wide.
How's the turning circle with those?
@@TheVelomobileChannel Like a bus. Which means I can ride everywhere where a bus can drive. I don´t use cyclepaths (in Germany).
I Love The design from the Milan "Gummy bears shape"
I ride a MK4 with a Naca duct in the body an the Luggage space in the front, the accessibility is not that Comfortable the the Service hatch like MK7 .
Any idea how to fix the mirrors only wanting to stay in one place? I have the same exact issue on my Alpha 7 so I cannot adjust my mirrors properly because they don't stay.
Hello Saukki!
Thanks for your videos about velos.
I‘m also thinking about getting a Milan but the GT version. I hope I can test one here in Austria.
One question I‘d like to ask you: you look like a strong guy and I‘d like to know your shoulder width (complete from left to right) to get a feeling how narrow the Milan is.
I‘m a bit „massiv“ so I‘m not sure if the Milan GT is the right joice or if the Quattrovelo could be better.
Thanks for your answers,
Günther
On my Quattrovelo the distance from shoulder pad to shoulder pad is about 47 cm. The Milan SL is about the same width, but without any shoulder pads. (I don’t have the Milan here right now so can’t measure it just now).
I recommend you find a Milan GT and test yourself if you fit in. I think the GT might maybe be slightly wider than the SL.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Thank you Saukki!
In fact we have a sales man here in Austria and I‘m already in contact with him. He told me that he will get his Quatrevelo (new name) in mid October and then I can compare it with a Milan GT and some other velos which he has on stock.
@@Guenther-Eichinger It’s allways best to personaly test different models to find the one which best suits you.
The covers need to be made like DF, where magnets are used to make a tight connection.
True!
Or screws... nothing wrong with the older version
Or semi flush Dzus fasteners which I use on the custom made top hatch of my Quattrovelo.
@@Warekiwi do you have a standard quattrovelo, or a plus?
magnets can interfere with GPS though
Saukki, the tires look like Shwalbe Pro1 tires they are meant to be run tubeless, if they are tubeless ready you can run at lower pressure have lighter weight and lower rolling resistance.
Probably you know all this already, I run Conti Contact Speed tires and run them at 55 psi they feel great have low rolling resistance and no punctures as of yet , I'm going tubeless soon .
Question sir , are you running a 20 inch wheel in back ?
I just bought a carbon fiber trispoke from Ican company and it is half the weight of my standard rear wheel . Cost was $315 American .
Yes, I’m aware tubeles tyres can be run with lower pressure. I don’t have tubeless rims (they didn’t have them in stock) so I’m probably not going to go tubeless.
The rear wheel is 26” as mentioned in the video.
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el video está muy bueno Excelente.
🤜🤛👍👏
Jotenkin helpompaa ymmärtää ku on Suomi aksentti :D
Dose they deliver to USA
Sturmey doesnt deliver 90mm brakes anymore. They have big supply problem
Can you get pinlock visor? To prevent fogging up.
I'm pretty sure this visor is different shape than motorcycle helmet visors in general, so I guess it would require a redesign of the hood to be able to mount such a visor.
is there s 3d files to home print and make it ourselves?
What? The whole velomobile? No.
Yes the Milan is extremly fast - I managed 58.2mph (93.6 km/hr) at Batltle Mountian in 2018 - Bill Thorntan did even a bit faster in his milan. I think 100km/hr is possible. Here's a quick vid ruclips.net/video/tIHZNtb7YGc/видео.html and a longer one from the inside going over 90km/hr for several minutes. ruclips.net/video/uhKMP3Aj5eY/видео.html
Greg, did your BM Milan have the panel gap issue Uncle Saukki pointed out in his? If yes, did you tape them for the Battle Mountain runs? Also, how many watts were you putting out to get 58.2?
@@michaelgreene9889 No I had the Mk 2 with no access panels to create drag. I was putting out 275 watts ave. up to the time trap and managed to hold 450 watts in the time trap. A stronger rider could do much much more
Close my eyes and.....
"Today on the Hydraulic Press Channel we are testing the new Pressmatic 9 Billion...."
what is the fastest gearing ratio you can get on this?
Good question. I think it depends on how big front chainring can be fitted 🤔
@@TheVelomobileChannel makes sense. 🙂
Not putting 200 mm disc brakes on the open wheel well Velos, is nearly criminal. The Ginko SA 90 mm drum brakes are a bit better, than the standard. It must be said that I ride in a lot of mountains and some of the passes are over 3000 (9000+ Ft.) meters above MSL, and living in the GPNW, where it is known to rain occasionally. Contrary to popular belief it does not rain here all of the time. It usually doesn't rain (much) in days ending in August. When transiting from the cold snowy Colombia Plateau, over the pass to the warm and wet West side of the Cascades, drum brakes take more attention, then my disc brakes. So don't be cheap, and pay attention too yer Uncle Saukki, friends don't let friends use 70 mm brakes. ;-)
I used to wonder about the disc brake thing. I have 90mm drums on my DF. I did not know what to make of them at first, the feel is very different from the discs on my Cruzbike. However, one day I was going fast round a corner forgetting about the temporary lights just round the bend. I was doing about 50kmph when the back of a white van loomed large in front of me. I braked for dear life while looking for run off options either side. Boy those brakes worked! They sort of 'wind up'. Brought me to a halt in good time, I did not flip onto the nose etc. They are very good. They are also virtually maintenance free. I often needed to fiddle with the disc brakes as some sort of small rubbing would start etc. The pads on the drums last ages too. I suspect that there would be mounting issues for the discs and space would need to be found on the inside of the wheels too. All in all I get the decision to use drums now and am happy with them.
@@chrisperceval193 There are good and bad about both designs. For my environment, disc brakes with singtered pads have worked best, with Ginko SA 90 drums running a close second. If'n I were in someplace like Nebraska, Iowa, Texas etc. I would take drum brakes in a hot second. Not all solutions work everywhere.
I’ve had both on naked trikes, and the discs take a lot more maintenance and fettling.
It might be better with hydraulic discs, I think one manufacturer does a mirrored pair of callipers - not having to deal with stupid cable bends could be an advantage
I think you'd warp discs fairly quickly on the front wheels in hills. When going down hill best just use a parachute or a motor.
@@4nz-nl Of the eight people I know who run around in the mountains out here, and run disc brakes, rotor warping has never been an issue. While I don't change altitude by more than 8000 feet, during the day, it does happen now and then. I use sinctured copper pads, and change my rotors out at five year intervals. While the sinctured pads do wear the rotor more, so far there has been no failures, or fading due to heat, and none of us has yet to warp a rotor. We are all open wheel rides though. I think that Velos with enclosed wheels, like the Quest and Milan, would have serious heat issues.
accidentprotection?
The official information says that you can cruise 50km/h at 160w, but is the official information false if the average 205w in this
video is 43.3km/h?
Offical information is likely measured in optimal conditions. I haven’t been able to test ride this in optimal conditions yet.
So, when you actually rode it, how much power did you feel you need to cruise 50km/h on flat and windless？
Also, what exactly is optimal conditions?
optimal condition would be with thin tires, on a smooth racetrack, with the hood, on a warm day.
I need portuguese translate subtitltles, pleasy!
I heard he is having difficulty finding 90mm brakes since covid thats why there are no more 90mm brakes :)
Чувак, с субтитрами было бы понятнее. Что тебе стоит!?
Please please please ... Work on your terrific accent which makes leave the video under a chrono of 20 seconds. We worked hard to get a tower of London accent which is the standard recognized international way to speak.
I’m working hard with Hydraulic Press Channel to get the standard finnish ”Rally English” as the standard international way to speak 😉
I love his accent. As a non native English speaker I find him very easy to understand.