NO MORE Bauer Supreme & CCM Ribcor - Why do we have LESS hockey manufacturers and Equipment
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- NO MORE Bauer Supreme & CCM Ribcor - Why do we have LESS hockey manufacturers and Equipment
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I love how Sherwood is reestablishing their name in the market since Canadian Tire bought them out. CT's goal is to make hockey more affordable for everyone. Their quality to price ratio is unmatched by the other manufacturers.
Canadian tire is also a part of sport check and pro hockey life, so they sell sherwood stuff there too.
Sherwood sticks have a huge durability issue. We supply Sherwood sticks for a few of the Junior Leagues that have contracts with SherWood and the amount of them that the league goes through is incredible. Per player there’s 7-8 broken sticks all in the same area
We need more of this!
Canadian Tire is a huge monopoly itself.
Sherwood has a great product
I was always an Easton and TPS fan, loved those sticks. Honestly a shame that there's not much left.
Took about 6 years off from playing hockey. Came back and it’s like I landed on a different planet. So many brands are gone now, or at the very least much more difficult to acquire. Easton, Graf, Eagle, Jofa, Reebok, etc. A real bummer.
Is crosby the only player that uses Reebok still
Cost is insane. I’m 25 and my foot randomly grew a half size over the summer and having to replace my skates for a reasonable price has been a massive issue it’s insane. I’ve played since I was 6 so I know it’s always been on the more expensive side, however it’s crazy nowadays. Hockey’s expense has always been the biggest reason it’s not as accessible for people but I couldn’t imagine paying for kids gear year after year as they grow at the rate they do with the price of todays equipment.
For me, the trickiest thing nowadays is the Stick. I'm seeing a lot less curve patterns compared to say back when Easton was ruling with the shaft/blade market. Players who are new to the game just seem to never get much chance to experiment the way I did to actually find "their curve". It's like P92 or P88, like it or lump it. That's why stuck specialist companies like NoName Hockey have peaked my interest. Now, they're stick construction may not equate to the same technology that top name brands have, but they are providing much better options. I myself loved the days of a wide range of options such as Sher-wood, Koho, CCM, Bauer, Easton and Jofa.
This topic could be worth a video in itself. Totally agree! most brands have 3-4 curves these days :( It might be worth looking at what brands would be best for a beginner to experiment with. Multiple video ideas there! Thank you David.
Don't forget the P77 Coffee curve...that's another standard these days
Just recently started picking up hockey and figuring out what specs I prefer was a fun process but also very tedious. Lots of trial and error and so therefore, I'm glad there weren't a significant number of options for me. Made it much easier.
For the longest time I was a big fan of Easton. Everything I had, head to toe, was Easton. Then they disappeared, which is crazy to me since they were so prevalent in the NHL for so long. So I ended up shifting to STX because I was familiar with them from lacrosse, I like their products, and I like the price point. Unfortunately, it looks like they are getting out of hockey too. They've been selling out of products for almost a year now and haven't been replenishing them.
you should do the video about how they slap different grafics on the same stuff and sell it for different prices.
With all the custom options, there's no longer a need for 3 different skate models with different fits/volumes from each manufacturer. There is/was too much confusion over the different options from one manufacturer. Eventually, I can see them going with one model with all the different options to make them all different skates under the same model name. With sticks, I can see them moving all in the hybrid direction. Wouldn't be surprised to see them come up with a custom curve option eventually.
My biggest issue with everything being streamline is the lack of curve options for retail. P92/29, p28 and p88 are the main ones for each brand. Ccms p90tm can be found retail but I know some companies don’t carry it in store.
Just a few years back there used to be 5/6 options per company and it gave you plenty to choose from. Now your forced to choose from 3.
That’s because of the Ovechkin curve and people being able to see actual pro curves. After Bauer released the crazy Ovi curve that destroyed all other curves. The p28 took over and the p29/92 still remained highly popular. But, the curves like the pm9,p91a(heel curve) were already being bought less, this just made them even a lower option. I live in Sweden now and as you mentioned there are only 4 curves to choose from. Two of those p88 and p90 have to be ordered from the retail store warehouse most of the time. It’s a shame, but for the companies it’s cheaper to produce 4 that will sell instead of 6 where they lose money on 2-3 of them. But, depending on the curve you want Warrior and True still sell some of the original curves.
We need Warrior and Graf to step up and get into the skate game. Bauer and CCM need real competition to balance the playing field.
Add Tackla to that list.
Graf are still producing hand made Skates in Switzerland.
The prices are comparable to Bauer, True or CCM.
The problem is that warrior is only profitable because of them not having skates
Graf, is a nightmare to deal with retail wise. Theyre killing themselves
Graf only sales in Europe. They fell when another CEO took over. True seems to be rising manufacturer. Their skates are designed by a former speed skater.
I work at a CCM store and can confirm Ribcore skates will only be available for custom orders as soon as current stock runs out
Pros and cons for both sides. If they’re putting less money into multiple products it means they can put more time and money into their select few products to make them higher quality.
Unfortunately that usually means it’s going to cost more and obviously less options.
Also not sure if the 4 brands Chris was thinking of but in Canada there are 5 relevant brands. CCM, Bauer, True, Sher Wood and Warrior.
I believe one of the reasons there are so few curves available now is partially due to pro shops only wanting to order popular curves. I remember you used to be able to get top of the line sticks with less popular curves for a discount after newer models came out. Pro shops don’t want inventory that they have to discount to move. Just a thought
Exactly. Sitting on inventory takes up space and money. 5 curves, 2 handed, 3 sizes. That's 30 stick options with 1 brand. 3 curves takes it down to 18 sticks. Add in people want to buy usually two sticks at a time.
@@Alekkd To add on to this, stick orders from the companies are usually in the dozen per model. I kinda miss the shaft and blade days where you only needed 2 shafts and could experiment with different curves/models on the cheap.
@@Alekkd Most people don't buy 2 at a time. LOL.
@@wtim14 2 piece sticks were great. But.... "we want more money" (hockey companies).
@@darthollpheist1156 When year old sticks are bundled on BOGO 50% off, people get two... It's not absurd to get two sticks for $200 versus one for $180 or top end $400.
Just found out I’m friends with your cousin here stateside and I’ve been a subscriber for quite a bit,cheers bro
I know it’s off topic, but dang the transition from video to editing software on screen was absolutely perfect.
Hello, I really enjoy the vids, Im just giving it a shot that you may have the ear of hockey equipment manufacturers and if you relay that Bauer and CCM having lower lie stick curves available would best great, True and Warrior should make stick flexes in dividends of 5 or something comparable (75,80,85) thanks, Again I'm a fan of channel cool to see hockey from across the pond, wouldn't mind seeing game footage of Tommy, or maybe him shooting while a radar gun is reading his shot speed 👍
It sucks honestly cause hockey equipment is so expensive here i’m from Mexico so it is literally 20 or plus times more expensive from people around here to get decent equipment not to mention shipping as well, the thing is there are just a couple brands out there and there are not many affordable and good options for everyone
shipping is free trade in NA
I really miss having more than just 3 curves to choose from now. Unless you get a pro stock or are able to get a custom stick made, you have to wait an x amount of time to receive it, though.
Lateral Planter pain when warming up skating why? Any insight helps.
Regarding the question of branding and product lines... Mostly my kids (youth players) have let me know what they like and my challenge is finding gear that meets their needs, no matter what the stupid sticker says. My 14 yr old player demands a low kick stick and protective gear that has *some* padding in the usual areas like behind the thighs and back of legs, yet permits good range of motion. That means he's using a vapor stick and either high end vapor gear or actually lower-end supreme protective that has padding in the right spots but is a bit more flexible. The danger in removing entire product lines is that some features simply vanish. Who sells a low kick stick with a P88 curve? How easy is it to switch from one brand to another without having to learn a completely different curve? Can I go from a vapor stick with a p88 curve to a warrior or true or any other brand with whatever they sell as their P88 equivalent curve? When the product line goes away and it takes away an entire feature set, THAT is bad. It's actually horrible because that's the point where the gear starts to shape the youth player's style rather than the player's style determining what gear to use. That is the danger, a reduced availability for a feature set that matches a player style, to the point where player individuality is diminished because an entire feature set is eliminated instead of being incorporated into the remaining product lines. Personally, I couldn't care less if Bauer gets rid of the supreme product line. What bothers me is that for my 9 yr old who loves the p28 curve, I am strictly limited to what sticks I can choose from because the number of 30 flex P28 right hand low or hybrid kick sticks sized for a 9 yr old is pretty darn limited. Why should my kid have to adjust a play style that has been praised by a number of high end coaches (Shattuck among them) because an eliminated product line took away the stick that matches his style? That same 9 yr old is wearing second-hand 4 yr old Supreme protective because he loves the fit and protection from the old supreme 1S line and we can't find that level of fit and protection in any current protective offerings so I'm stuck searching for the next size up in a discontinued product line in the used gear marketplace. That's the danger, that the streamlined product line starts to mold the player's options instead of a player's individual style dictating what gear is best. I spent 7 years finding the right gear for my 2 players and it's disheartening having to go through used gear marketplaces trying to find gear that matches my player's preferences because their preferred gear has been discontinued and not replaced with anything remotely similar.
I was just trying to buy a new supreme yesterday because I broke my blade and I was sad they are discontinued now I don’t know what to do. Gotta follow where the money goes if no big names are using the stick they are not going to keep making them… labor costs are for sure part of it
I've heard CCM bought out the old infamous KOHO and Jofa; y not start making CCM type sticks but placing those names on them? That would be fun, I'm 46, that's all they had back in the 80s and 90s. Same with Bauer, start putting the Easton name back on the shafts and other equipment
Hopefully these companies use the new sales data and reduce pricing. By reducing options, they will sell more of the better quality item which means they can produce more per run so production costs should go down significantly. The first company that starts pricing based on costs will sell a LOT more gear and become more popular for it too.
My son was going to switch back to the Nexus Geo. He said the Sync is a bit light. Just figured out that the Sync replaced the Geo.
Had a pair of Easton Eq5.0. Best fitting skate I’ve ever own. Should have never often rid of them
I had never thought of the fact that if you just drop one step in range you're basically getting the rib core effect. That said, I'm about our guy but I can do that in that line. Also. The price that equipment is getting into is real problem though it's making the support unsustainable
Personally, I’d consider the big CCM, Bauer, true, warrior, and Sherwood, with CCM/Bauer being the largest two, and then Sherwood, true, and warrior being a little bit behind.
Personally, Idk how much they can improve sticks at this point, aside from upping durability, and dropping price. They’ve gotten to the weight where people consider them borderline too light, and the technology is so advanced, it’s just tough too see where they go from here.
Durability seems to be a huge issue, as is consistency in shot placement. My 14U player's vapor stick is delaminating at the toe after a month of Tier 2 (AA level play) use. I'd get him a CCM trigger 7 pro except that his teammate's trigger 7s (2 of them) are showing early delamination at the heel. Everyone I know who owns the Bauer Agent stick is dissatisfied with it's shot accuracy and consistency, to the point where they're not using them enough to break them (a pretty horrible outcome for Bauer right?). The Nexus Sync seems to be very popular and durable, except my 14U player seems to need a low kick stick. I think durability and consistency are the next features that need to be delivered. Right now, the high end sticks are kind of a waste of money because they're disintegrating after a month or two of use.
@@seanlong9049 honestly I’d give Sherwood, the jetspeed ft5 pro, or warrior a shot, they are a little bit heavier(not really a noticeable difference, but a couple grams), as they seem too have a good combination of durability, and elite performance.
Hyperlites I’ve heard aren’t great sticks, on top of having shit durability, so it’s just not a great stick for the price.
I haven’t heard many bad things about the triggers, so maybe your son’s teammate is just hard on his sticks, but still, he’s only 14u.
I have heard recent CCM models durability is rough(ft4 pro/as4 pro/FT3 pro/as3/t5p/t6p), but they have supposedly gotten better in their newest models.
I’m a 16u competitive roller hockey player, and can attest too the shaky durability of the t6p/as4 pro, as ive had both, and they’ve both gone down the drain quick. I love my warrior LX pro, and pshs so those are both solid options as well
It's a strange place with hockey products today. I feel like the best move right now is to focus on the areas that are neglected. One major one being: Growing player numbers by reducing entry costs. Perhaps even creating ranges of products specifically for new players (that don't suck). If hockey player participation peaks (kind of there already) Brands will have to continue reinventing the wheel to stay alive.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Amen brother!
I am in Reebok Ribcor 28k pumps now and need a new pair of skates. Been tough to choose.
Its a bummer I love my supreme stick and I never take slap shots. The nexus i have feels blah to me and I have gone away from low kick point sticks. I will adapt as I have no choice. As far as skates are concerned I have yet to find a pair that fits from any manufacturer, nexus fit best and the new fit profile system I suspect would cover that.
It's so much easier to place booking orders now with 2 families for most products... I'm curious if CCM follows suit on sticks. The Jetspeed has a pretty huge following and is the oddball when compared to other brands. Warrior recently introduced Novium and its picking up popularity. I've been waiting to see what Vaughn does with Graf... so far it seems like they're letting the brand die.
Manufacturing cost is limiting curve, flex and stick height options even more which the game will have to adapt to. The only way to get more options is the custom route.
I did get to put hands on a lot of upcoming products and all I'll say is there is some really cool stuff coming in the future.
Love your content and I'm a big fan of the channel, but have you considered bringing on a goalie to talk about our kit?
I hope they don’t drop Ripcor, I’ve got the 100k pro and they are fantastic- Love the vids and content, keep it up. Cheers
You will be sad, i was confirmed quite few time (from manager of different hockey shop in my area) since last summer that ccm will drop de ribcor line of skate
So I just went from as-1 to as-v and i did not see a big difference between the asv-pro and as-v except for $500 more for the pro. I love the as-v baked. Wait the 12 hours after and they are perfect. So comfortable as well as a lot of power and with the new runners and blades you will see a big improvement in your game.
Tried some Jetspeed FT4's on and hated them, then wore some Ribcor 88ks, and they were amazing, sad if the line goes away.
What was special about the ribcores?
@@calgary2800 The fit was amazing, I tried vapors, and jetspeeds, and the way the Ribcores felt was 100x better on my feet reminded me of the OG Rebok Pumps I had when I played HS hockey. Ive since switched from 88ks to the 10k Pros and its even better.
@@bryantlavalley203 I know what you are saying. I just got some Ribcore Titanium skates new and they fit better than the latest Vapors, Jetspeeds, Tacks and Supreme Matrix that I tried.
I think it's crazy that sticks cost 300+ dollars now.
@Average Canadian But good sticks have their good side, like tech... cheap sticks is just cheap, and nothing good
@@neilwei2747 exactly those cheap sticks feel terrible.
My god, my daughter was having trouble finding skates after they got rid of Nexus skates. The Supreme EE were already too narrow. I guess she's getting True's next year.
For me, as long as there are 2 or 3 brands which are truly competing against each other I have no issue with a semi monopoly. If each brand is pushing the other to have to innovate and be competitive with pricing I don't see why there would be any issue. You will always have those random brands that are either regional or just "no name" brands that may or may not make it ast that which make decent to great products. It only becomes an issue when those leading brands basically get together and decide to semi work together and stagnate innovation for the reason of profits..
In general, when the customer/consumer has less options, it’s bad for everybody especially obviously the customer I can’t help, but think that the current world climate with supply chain issues might be a reason as well for them, phasing out certain types of gear. That being said, there are still a few companies out there that are smaller that are battling for market share that are good like Verbero. I have the Mercury stick and it’s amazingly responsive and light (350 grams).
Id love to see a break down like this from a goalie perspective.
warrior (relatively) recently became a powerhouse in the market, Vaughn has added and removed stuff within its own line up (and offering less innovative product until recently), Bauer offering unique designs, True basically making what CCM was 3 years ago (Lefebvre) and CCM trying to mix it up (with mixed results). Brains and their whole thing.
but to be fair unless your a goalie and succumb to everything goalie its an entirely different ball game. Even doing a video on masks/materials deemed "Widow makers" would be an interesting and intimidating topic.
Growing up you had Cooper,CCM and Playmaker. There were others but those were the 3 I remember the most. Playmaker was the low end Canadian Tire brand, I think made by Cooper. Cooper and CCM were the leaders. Cooper was bought out by Bauer along with some other smaller companies like Itech. I think that Bauer and CCM will outlive these other brands like Warrior, True etc. Bauer has had its fair share of financial woes but somehow with reorganization and rebranding they seem to carry one. One thing I dislike about all brands, unless you are paying top buck, there isn’t much being produced in North America anymore. Bauer uses the “Designed In Canada” but manufactured in Thailand. I get this is cost cutting measures but those cut costs never make it to the end user. It all comes down to big business and big profits. I’m not against that but hockey is becoming more unaffordable for the mid-class family. There are a multitude of reasons why, but you see hockey registrations down all over Canada. I have to think that the price to gear up has a lot to do with it. For the record, I’m 54 years old and have worn Bauer skates for as long as I can remember. I’m a creature of habit I guess.
Still trying to figure out who the 4th brand is. Bauer, CCM, True, and…
Review on the mach skates??
I’ve used Supreme sticks for almost my entire life. Heavier guy who wants to load up the shot. Anything you recommend I transition to??
I think Bauer naturally wanted us to shift to the Nexus. I have a Supreme Ultrasonic stick and a Nexus Sync as well, and the flex profiles are not even close to being similar. Bauer marketed the Ultrasonic as some sort of middle/high flex profile, but when I use the Sync, it feels a heck of a lot closer to the Vapor than it does to a Supreme. My advice is maybe try a Nexus, but at a slightly higher flex than you used at the Supreme - see if that works.
@@TheObxpander Thank you so much for the thoughtful and thorough reply dude. I’ve been buying up Supreme back stock online; but that obviously won’t last forever. I was considering exactly what you suggest… but on top of deleting the Supreme line Bauer also stopped making any retail twigs over 87 flex. I prefer 90-100 flex but have transitioned to 87 over the last year out of necessity. So I am unable to buy a stiffer Nexus to attempt to replicate the kick I prefer. (Without winning the lottery and going full custom)
Over here the top of the line skates run up to 1200 CAD, making "mid" tier skates in the 700-800 range which is still expensive. Also the quality seems to have dropped in newer models. I compared a Bauer 2S and 3S and the 2S is just more sturdy and comfortable.
It's getting like car manufacturers reducing their lineups to SUVs and that's about it having gotten rid of sedans and wagons. It does make it more economical for Bauer and CCM and gives more chance for True, etc to sneak in and take some sales off them.
From a beginner's perspective, the streamlining makes everything easier to research and learn what the gear will do for me. I appreciate that, but the lack of competition is going to hurt me going forward. Prices will go up even more than they would have due to a lack of choice, but it will be easier to decide what to buy. I feel like this is probably the last moment in time before consolidation and streamlining will start to hurt the consumer.
Things are way pricer and unless your buyiing top end, it is of lower quality and lower selections too Its not better for you- not much anyone can do about it tho - enjoy
low end doesn't mean low quality. It depends on who you buy from and most importantly, its based on what your specific requirements and needs are. There is no need for a beginner to buy a $400 stick or $1000 skates if their performance, style of play, ice usage and build don't justify it.
That is the problem :(. Maybe this is the perfect time for other brands to set up and step in.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial yes that is very true - but i guess what I should have been more clear about is that even the mid level stuff is not as nice of the mid level price stuff a few years ago - gloves for example - Thanks for the response, really enjoy your content
I wish all the top brands (ccm, Bauer, warrior even) would release all there old top of the line stock
Monopolies suck, without competition, there is no incentive to keep prices lower.
That said, shopping with too many options leads to a lot of confusion of what to get, so I am fine with streamlining the various lines to make it easier to pick the best option, at least when it comes to sticks.
When it comes to skates, for me, no issues, I'm fine with pretty much any skate at any price point, it does not really effect my skating that much. My son however (at 10, he wears and a senior 9 skate) has weird feet, so far, of all the skates we tried, only the Bauer Supremes are comfortable for him, his previous CCM Jetspeed (was not about to pay the tacks and supertacks prices for a kid who is just going to outgrow them in less than a year) hurt his feet terribly, the nexus just did not fit right..
My only issue when it comes to reducing the product ranges, is if they remove the one that works, and it is difficult to find a suitable replacement..
Think it’s great limiting choice as gives more freedom to develop what they have like Sherwood 2 sticks and have put them right up there with ccm & Bauer
That is a good point
I had to wear Nexus, their fit 3 isnt wide enough. Tacks wide fit works for me. Skates is the only area I think the equipment selection isn't optimal. Sticks & protective, there is a pretty decent selection.
There is also custom option. So everyone should get a skate ;)
I find the toe cap in the tacks could be a hair wider. I currently wear tacks in wide.
Get the trie customs man they scan your feet and build it custom to your foot
It’s not a true monopoly. The two biggest brands, CCM and Bauer are competing hard against each other. Here in Canada the NHL influences a large part of the hockey market, young minor league players that want the gear their heroes are using. The pro players tell the manufacturers exactly what they want. Connor McDavid is the flagship player for the CCM Jetspeed line but he may be using a Tacks stick dressed as a Jetspeed to satisfy his own preference and the company’s marketing. Whatever stick he’s using has no equal in the retail market. It’s tuned precisely to his request.
All of these main brands got rid of my pattern. And, they stopped posting the lie of sticks. Which is insane. I used to use the PM9, P4, etc. They don['t make that pattern anymore. So now they all of my sticks are whipped out or broken, I have to try to adapt to a new pattern. I used a bigger curve as a kid, so I started using the "Crosby" pattern. I think it's the P42.
I have flat feet. Used to have vapors as my first skates (I had no idea I had flat feet for 18 yrs). I needed to buy new skates because my feet were hurting too bad, but the store said they have nothing but true customs for my feet but those are a thousand dollars. Thankfully I found a used pair of nexus 1Ns and have been using them since and have no issues. I find it so stupid how hockey companies are making me pay a thousand dollars for a problem I was born with and most companies won’t even bother selling something for me to fix it for hockey. Whatever
i know how you feel used to use nexus because i had wide feet, but even those still hurt. needed to end up buying customs. You would think a brand would come out with a mid price skate for people like us.
I also have wide and flat feet. I went from Nexus to Supreme fit 3 and they are just ok. I would love to try true skates but can find anything in stock in a wide.
Wide, high volume feet (really high instep) here and there was nothing that didn't kill me after 20 minutes. I went with the True customs and they were a game changer. The only issue with them, other than the price, is the stand height. They are really tall and I had to drop my hollow into goalie territory to be able to stop without digging in.
Try some superfeet insoles they make sucha difference in skates
Sherwood can squeeze in there as one of the 5 main brands, I think they are growing in popularity. I don't know how popular sherwood is in other places than north america, but sherwood does have 7 nhl players, the only thing they don't make is skates and helmets, but warrior doesn't make skates either.
They make unreal products and can't wait to see how well the do this year. We'll be sharing all their latest and greatest.
So my son has tried Bauer vapour skates . He absolutely hated them and we had to switch back to supremes . A lot of ppl wear supremes . They have been around a lot longer then vapour and pretty any other skates . I don’t understand bauers thought process
I think they were talking about Supreme STICKS
Supreme Skates will still be around iirc, but not the sticks
I actually got a ultrasonic stick when persons wanted to get rid of them and I actually really like it I don’t wanna see it die
Yeah I don't know about ccm dropping ribcor, my kiddo loves the softer skate and the jetspeed is way too narrow for him, the tacks is super clunky in his words so not sure which skate we will be getting for him if ribcors go away.
Already hard to find a Ribcor skate in a store so it looks like they are going away. Also, he wouldn't say this in the video unless it was nearly a sure thing. The Tacks are due for a makeover to use the one-piece boot. I bet they also move completely to the 3-fit system (tapered, regular , wide) and one-piece boots for all lines and all sizes. Going this direction makes a lot of sense for manufacturing and retailing. In the future we'll all find our next best skate just like we have always done.
Sparx work good?
Hockey’s development in the UK suffers massively because of many reasons but one is the equipment is so expensive it prices most kids out of the market who might otherwise try it and increase the talent pool. To buy decent equipment that can stand up to todays game there is no “hack” to buy new, you have to go to the second hand market. Recently we’ve become aware of a brand called Verbero, their ethos and pricing system is so much better and more fair than for example CCM or Bauer. We’re not ignorant, we know R&D and Costs are a factor but I feel the last few years of equipment have been about squeezing the absolute most out of the consumer instead of brands investing in the longevity of the game in other parts of the world. We’ve seen some isolated 1 off instances of this but no attempt to really help establish a real infrastructure. Me personally I’ve played Hockey since the 90’s with a break for about 15 years in the middle, when I came back to the game I couldn’t believe the prices of equipment but could also see that tech had moved on. Brands removing lines etc and streamlining their business models is a good thing but are they going to pass that saving on to the consumers 🤷🏾♂️ or atleast invest in growing the game more than they do?
as a guy thats curve has been a witch hunt to find in a right hand for a decade ( pm9 modano, p14, mc2..) the mid kick stick is still very much used in the game by pros, sticks are dressed. it is a matter of feel, the marketing should not get in the way of another option for a consumer/player. i prefer wrist and snap with a stiff mid kick flat curve
since when is CCM no longer doing the rib core?
I really miss easton sticks, the S19 is still the best stick I’ve ever used
The hyperlite and flylite are almost identical to the S19 imo
Hes talking about ribcor skates and equipment
@@jokerr8730 yeah i know thats what i was asking about..
@@OGDonaldEngel i didn’t like the Hyperlite just couldn’t get into it. Ive used the trigger mostly in recent years
@@FlameWingPhoenix i was tryna say like ribcor skates and such are prob not gonna be as produced as tacks or jetspeeds
So bauer is only going to have vapor skates available going forward?
no he meant supreme sticks, Skates and protective going forward are the Vapor’s and Supremes, and sticks will be nexus and vapor
@@g6CS ah gotcha 👌 thanks
I’m sad about the supreme line getting discontinued while they still are making gear for a while they discontinued the sticks which are my favorite sticks I can’t find a better high kick stick than the ultrasonic and mine just broke today and now I’m going to have to buy used and pro stock to get one
Back in my day in Canada everyone was rocking grafs….they kinda went dead when they stopped innovating and never really changed their skates. Meaning other manufacturers started going carbon fibre shells and grafs stayed with leather style outer shell.
Really wish Graf would make a come back
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial I mean you can still buy their skates but hard to get
this change means that supreme skates will still be made just not sticks?
As far as skates- Bauer got rid of Nexus and brought in the “Fit system”. As far as sticks- Bauer got rid of supreme, as the game is changing, and less people are using high kick point sticks and utilizing them for what they are. As far as CCM goes, I didn’t know they were getting rid of Ribcore, but it’s not surprising coming from a skates stand point. Like the nexus (ribcore is the CCM equivalent) less people tend to have that “wide” “high profile” shaped foot than those of the traditional vapor/jet speed (fit1) and traditional supreme/tacks (fit 2), thus being the reason why both companies would get rid of their third, less competitive skate line. Allowing players to choose between a skate that is either more for agility or power in all three boot fit styles, makes it easier for players to make a choice in their skates. I.E. I’ve always had a big, wide foot. I would’ve never been able to fit into a vapor or jetspeed, and often couldn’t fit into a supreme or tacks that well. Now I’m able to wear a vapor skate and still have that wide fit. As far as who “owns” the market, Bauer and CCM are constantly at the top year after year. I’d say Warrior and True are a ways behind those two. And I everyone else behind those 2.
my nexus 2900 skates are broken and i wish nothing more than another pair in EE width
Used to be a CCM Vector guy, the next evolution was the Reebok’s, then Ribcor’s…i don’t really like anything that’s currently available.
Supreme was such a legendary line for me growing up. It would suck to see those stick go.
Anyone remember Christian? I've seen a new composite from their company. Might be worth a quick look.
Great video. Some feedback not related to the actual content... The video production for this one was horrible compared to most previous videos. The audio for the first 20 seconds was completely garbled, dunno why. During the majority of the video, the color balance was continuously shifting so the white wall behind you kept changing from blue-ish to red-ish. Perhaps your camera was set to some sort of auto white balance setting you haven't used before and it was confused by your blue shirt and the red LEDs from the SPARX sharpener in the background, but it was VERY distracting. Basically it was a great video, but the production quality was super bad and it really detracted and distracted from the video. I found myself constantly rewinding the video 15-20 seconds to figure out what was being said, just because the color of the video kept switching from blueish to reddish. Crazy distracting, you guys usually do better than this. Keep it up, I LOVE your content!
No one likes a monopoly!! What’s the most popular sticks, skates etc…thanks great video 👍
As someone with really big and wide feet, I'm disappointed in the casual to midrange selection of skates available.
Graf ice skates are still in my opinion the best
Absolutely. Have had mine over 15yrs. I’d rather drive to Canada when I need a new pair than try anything else.
I mean having 4 ”big” brands is pretty good. I played at the beginning 2000’s, back when Bauer (or Nike) and CCM ( with Reebok/Adidas) bought basically every competitor. So all that was left was them two.
Sweden is a great example. There is no team in the top leagues not using Bauer or CCM.
Bauer should replace supreme with easton. Reebok/Easton were always a couple of my favorite companies. Sad they are both bought out, but at least the tech is still available in other bauer/ccm sticks
5:42 - I have ALOT to say about this video so I’ll try to keep my individual comments low. I thought Supreme is WIDE and Nexus is MEDIUM. You have it the other way around?
Negative. I don't have a crazy wide foot but wide enough and I though Nexus was the skate for me. Toe box/forefoot was good but the rest of the skate was like warehouse. I'm not super picky (not skilled enough) but I couldn't find lacing that I liked and couldn't get a good heel lock. I've had Supremes with careful lacing, baked and punched in the forefoot but much better fit and heel lock. The video is correct in terms of volume assignment to the skate family.
Most people talking about retail skates (I have never owned/tried prostock anything) are either not taking advantage of baking or shop tweaks with boot fit or are and still are not 100% happy. I don't think I've ever fit a skate just fine straight out of the box.
@@iammarkstewart wow yeah, I just looked it up on the internet. Nexus is the widest. I could’ve sworn it was Supreme. Maybe I got it mixed up w/ the stick family 🤦🏻♂️
Easton sticks, oh my God what a twig.
Don’t they dare discontinue the Ribcore line, I have the 70K came out 2017 I believe, best things I’ve put on my feet. Sydney Crosby also loves them. Though he probably has 100k
Glad I got my ribcor skates when I dod. I had jetspeeds prior and hated them.
It looks like I will need to move up my plans to buy Ribcor skates.
@@KommanderHooyah trust me, you won’t regret getting the Ribcors. I got mine 2 months ago, baked them and they are the most comfortable skates I ever had. They are expensive but worth every penny. I tried on every skate out there and it was between the Ribcor and True was also comfortable. The Ribcor just felt better to me and I absolutely love them.
@@jonathanmurano7074Good to know, thank you. I am currently in Jetspeed FT2s since I have narrow feet, so I have had my eye on the size 12 tapered 100Ks. How is the heel lock on the Ribcors?
@@KommanderHooyah the heel is tight but adaptable to be wider because it has extra padding in the heel. So the heel lock isn’t as solid as jetspeeds but it may still work for you. The forefoot is narrow and the toe box is wide however. Whereas the jet speed feels narrower in the toe box and wider the forefoot
LOVED the 80k skates
sad to see supreme go
Skates won't be discontinued
At least CCM isn't cutting things like D30 out like Bauer has with Poron, other than in Bauer's pro stock. Stick wise, there's way more choices. Still mostly all made "overseas."
The hand tool industry went through something similar years ago, consolidation and outsourcing to China have left most tools a shadow of their former selves' quality wise. Given that, there's like less than 5 foundries where hand tools are made, and most are made in China. So it doesn't matter much anymore of you buy an off brand or a name brand like Craftsman or Snap On, they come from the same factory/lines/workers.
Looking at brands in other sports, it doesn't seem like we're alone in this. Everything is down to just a few makers now, and Nike is the biggest that I see in the US.
im pretty happy with the way things are going
How long have Bauer been paying you ? 😂😂
Mach skates and upcoming protective are Supreme.
Im 27 and played my whole life. The prices have skyrocketed for all gear its insane. I alway buy second hand top of the line from a few years prior. Thats the only way i can afford decent gear. No way i can afford 1000$ skates, 400$ helmet
I like how true had 2 different skates and now they have 3, because that's all you need, one cheaper skate for the guy that goes maybe once a week, and one expensive skate for the guy that's out there all the time full sending it. bauer new models are the supreme m1, m3, m4, m5 pro and mach, I'm not going to count all the vapors... ccm has the tacks 560, 570, 580, 590, as-v player and as-v pro, I'm not counting all the jetspeed and ribcor and not counting all the super cheap skates they sell at the bigger chain stores. Imo, ccm and bauer should do the same as true, and only sell those models at the hockey shops. let the big chain stores keep their crap.
I would agree here...the decision to make to get a feature here or there could mean hundreds of extra dollars for minimal effect. Keep their overhead down and bring the prices back to reality. Unless you need a custom option, you shldnt at all come near a grand for a shop skate. Yes, let the big box's keep the rec stuff
Thats a very valid point ! Less is sometimes more.
I remember back in the late 90's and early 2000's when Nike bought Bauer when Bauer essentially owned 90% of the market. At that time Nike had a strangle hold on basketball and football as well. Crazy how they once owned the market and are now long gone from the discussion.
A lot of the tech just gets new names. Same thing just called it different and jacked the price
Are ribcor sticks getting discontinued?
I doubt it low kick stick everyone loves
@@bl4501 I hope because I'm a low kick guy. If they do, True and Warrior it is
I think he was just talking about skate lines I haven’t seen ribcor protective in a long time
no ribcor sticks are staying, the skates are on the way out this year, they’ll be going on closeout once April hits
This was just my guess based on trends I see with skates. I can't imagine their sticks are going anywhere.
Franchise gloves and wider 4 roll gloves I miss
I liked it better with more manufacturers. But that's me. I think with fewer manufacturers and fewer lines, the local rink pro shop has a better chance to stock more of what people want without us always having to buy from the big online stores. Regarding the reduction in brands I see 2 main reasons: 1) The NHL. The NHL charges the manufacturers big money to allow their gear in the league. Small companies can't afford to pay that money to get their gear seen in the league. 2) The bigger companies have bought out many of the smaller companies. Remember Combat, Itech, Mission, Easton, MIA? Those and more were all bought out by Bauer, CCM, and Warrior.
Can't find a good pair of skates for the life of me. It's been really frustrating, as basically my only option is to spend ridiculous money on custom skates.
It's awful honestly. Brick and mortar stores are pointless now. What I mean by that is look at sticks for example, I'm a bigger 6'2" guy right under 240lbs (17 stones). I like to use sticks with no less than a 95 flex but I cant walk into the store and buy one, they only carry 3 blade patterns and sticks that are 85 flex or lower. I liked the Bauer p14 which you can no longer get either without some 45 day custom order so that made me have to compromise on what I liked because if I broke a stick and needed one for a game id have to wait almost 2 months for a replacement. Don't get me wrong I like custom stuff too like I get my skates custom but with Bauer even their skates and sticks aren't truly a full custom thing, foot profiles for their skates are made out of a data base of players feet that have characteristics of yours. And like certain options aren't available depending on your selected items. For example when making a full "pro" custom stick through bauers website why am I not able to have a low kickpoint and the blade core from the nexus (connectech) if I wanted a low kick stick with a little more dampened core? And even more frustrating is if I did want a mid kick stick like a nexus why am I forced into the er spine option to have that core option? Or another frustrating thing is why am I ordering a "custom pro" stick that doesn't come 65" long one piece? Why are they still throwing in stupid butt ends in rather than having a 60" or 65" cut to fit option? It's really dumb and companies are honestly ruining everything inside and outside of hockey.
I totally appreciate where you are coming from. It's not the stores at fault here, it's the nature of the beast we've allowed to be created. It's also not sustainable for one retail company to hold every option out there (regarding your stick issue) sucks but its a similar story with clothes shops or shoe stores. They cater to the popular sizes and neglect others. Now with the custom sticks, this is now the 4th comment I've seen about this exact same issue on this video alone (and I'm only through 16 comments out of over 100 lol). I'd love to have a conversation with Bauer about this. There might be a justified reason behind why the shaft and blade core options are restricted like that. (construction method, costs, change in stick characteristics.. Who knows) If Tommy didn't talk so much s&%7^ about their products, I might get a reply when I ask lol.
Now regarding their custom skates, this is why we dropped a video on custom vs retail with CCM skates. I'm also working on custom vs retail with True skates as we speak. We'll also do the same with Bauer towards summer so we can ensure it's of the new current skate, and not models from last season. It's important for us to highlight if its actually worth spending all that money for a custom skate. Perhaps these videos will also show which brand players should buy custom with after we show all of the REAL differences.
Temp solution, look at stick brands that aren't the 2 big names. Some of them are doing a really good job of providing players with what the other brands are missing or overcharging for. Hope this helps in some way.
I bought new ultra sonics and they are so stiff it's like a ski boot, my skating suffered big time, catching edges ect.
I bought a ribcore and it was night and day better for me. With this news I just bought a second pair of ribcore 88k for when these wear out. I believe ccm and bauer will suffer as people look towards Graf and true more and more to find a skate that is neither of the 2 current offerings from the big 2.
I feel the same. My old Bauer 2000 from the 90s gave out and I tried the current stiff skates and hated them. They felt like 5 pounds ankers on my feet. I don't like skates that feel like concrete blocks. So I will try out ribcores this coming week or search for used older Bauer Supremes. I have no idea why they makes skates insanely stiff and uncomfortable now. It's makes me less agile on the Ice.
The price of gear and equipment make the growing of the sport really hard.
Totally agree! that's why its nice to have brands like Sherwood who create quality gear at much better prices.
Hockey monopolies suck because prices for equipment is out of control right now.
But the quality and selection are fine with me.
g7's are insanely good skates
someone give me the BLUF, is CCM getting rid of the Ribcor line?
I can’t justify paying almost $400 usd for a stick every month, it’s so annoying. Trying out pro stock now.