yep, its amazing how its possible to get 0 infamy xp after a heist...feels so terrible. dont know how a designer could sign that off...ever. there is no sense of success in such a system, and encourages griefing for people laser focused on doing THEIR challenge and not the TEAM HEIST
Honestly is the main reason I haven't played the game in a while, unless im playing how the devs want me to I gain little to no exp for any heist I do now
@@Bizza12345 yeaaaaaa I spent an hour getting all the loot in rock the cradle, and got n o t h i n g it was fucking disheartening like yea I got money, but shit doesn't matter if the damn unlocks aren't available because I have to do some dumbass challenges that are against my playstyle. fumbled the fucking bag
They’re one of the few dev groups that care about their community and haven’t sold out to a big corporation, they’re in this game for the long run like 6+ years and this is the first week of release let’s all just calm down.
Virgin extrinsic motivator: BUT I DIDN'T SEE NUMBER GO UP! Chad Intrinsic Motivator: The gameplay itself is fun. Everything else is a bonus. Also you didn't get 0 XP, you got progression on your weapon challenges, which leads to XP. Just play the game for fun. You don't need to be max level.
Servers are running alot better here in the West Coast United States. Games super fun i love the updated stealth aspect. Not a fan of the leveling system, its a damn grind to get them 21 skill points just to make a decent build. Hopefully thingsll be different later.
@PlebNC I feel 21 Is a good number so people can pick up more team focused skills and grab more fun stuff like hostage skills while not sacrificing build viability
Yeah yeah. Starbreezes new motto, "time gate our game as much as possible so microtransactions will be inevitable in the near future." I stealth mostly, have a solid tank edge grit last man standing Shotgun loud build I'm playing with, can wreck a dozer quick and up close on overkill. Pretty fun.
The leveling and loot system are very unsatifying. During the heist, there's very little indication that a bag was secured, no onscreen value, no cool sound effect, it just disappears and Shade says something. And after the heist, I get no xp and unless I do very restrictive, very specific challenges. Progression is a nightmare. The guns feel so weak. Half a mag or multiple headshots headshots to kill one dude. On Normal. The hud is miniscule and bland, the UI sucks. I want to love this game so badly but it's very unsatisfying in every way.
I think there does need to be a loot secured popup when securing loot/picking up instant loot, but the progression system is fine. You get cash every mission which at minimum can be turned into C Stacks and you are always progressing the weapon/heist completion challenges so even if it doesn't show XP gain you are still progressing towards it. I don't think guns are weak, you're probably thinking of the Heavy SWATs in later waves that have armoured helmets and thus should take more damage. I think this makes the cops more of a threat than in PD2 and emphasises the importance of managing resources and efficient heist completion as you'll lose more ammo over time once the heavy units arrive.
While i largely age: there are some heists that call out a bag is secured like Gold and Shark and Road rage "Thats one bag, thats two bags.... THATS ALL OF THEM LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE"
I don’t know if this has been talked about yet. I play on ps5 and whenever I try to watch a story cutscene, all my sound turns off. I can’t watch the cutscenes with sound no matter what I do.
new interaction animations are highly in need, so i’m happy to hear you guys got plans to change that. Also could you please add more separate loot, like small piles of diamonds stones so that you can insistingly “F-Key” them to collect. It’s rather meager, collecting the stones and just waiting till the interaction circle is charged.
Most companies would go on really bad damage control and try to close down any criticism, but Overkill let's it come to them and work their way with it.
@@SonyStudioPro If they only cared about the money then they wouldn't have even bothered making these streams and get their team working on the servers. If they really were money hungry they'd release the game in a broken state and leave it for dead lil bro.
@@rutgercake9117 Not sure what world you’re living in but they released a broken game..! Everything Overkill does is to get players pay for micro transactions ingame. Like the basic game that costs 30€ will cost about/moe then 250€ when all ingame transactions will be bought by a player (new maps, new guns, new cosmetics etc)… Just look at Payday 2, the basic game costs 20€ but with all ingame transactions it costs more then 250€. Still need proof?
Fatshark's Darktide had radio silence and did not bother doing any fixes until next year. OVERKILL is giving us a bit of news and transparency about what they are doing, so there is a bit of hope. But actions speaks louder than words, we will have to see where they go with all this.
Once again, it’s great to see you guys taking the steps to fix the game. You don’t see that from many developers these days so I very much appreciate what you’re doing.
I am back to see what's new here, the game looks to be beter now, and next week will be any beter, good job guys, work harder now, you are in right direction now.
Random thing i tested: if any of you care the Steam deck handle the game pretty good. If you want to play on the go but without a pause feature its not the best experience.
Give the game like a base amount of XP, and like, killing a guard gives you a certain amount of XP in stealth and lowers if it goes loud. And if you finish a heist without killing a guard, you gain more XP than killing 2-4 guards on normal or OVERKILL.
add a skill: when hit in the head with a sniper rifle, enemies within a radius of 5 meters receive 90% of the damage dealt, this is very important, since at the moment sniper rifles are useless!
I’m really hoping melee weapons _don’t_ return ^^ Just boost the stagger and damage of melee attacks as they are, I suppose. You get cracked in the face with the butt of a weapon, it’s gonna hurt! It felt like melee weapons were rather underpowered in 2, so I’m hoping the basic panic slap becomes viable, and no needless tools get thrown in to complicate things further.
By the time you make an informed decision about what is hands down the worst way to progress (challenges) the game will already be dead and your reputation will be destroyed nevermind the $ it costs a company already struggling. Sometimes mistakes are made don't double down on the challenges that is what halo infinite did and look at it now
Relly? let check, oo theirs a whole section called Heist in the Challenges. Lets see what we got, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp? yep checks out their are no xp from completing heist what so ever in PD3 %)
I just miss how i can tell AI to Hold , and to Follow and able to give them guns and customise them on PAYDAY 2 , i was just hoping PAYDAY 3 would be much improve on that but they just cut it out and force people to play Co-op Only , and you can't even give Order to AI , cannot do it anymore , i miss PAYDAY 2 so much
Be careful with stats on challenges. Im guessing theres alot like me who are doing them to lvl,but hate how the lvling is. The fact that its faster lvling to do minium loot over spending 5mins to get 10+bags is stupid. both weapon exp and lvls are better to do main mission for 1500xp over 10 more lootbags for 1750 and no extra lvl xp
Honestly I don't care about the launch and I have waited for payday 3 for 10 years also I don't really mind that the game is always online because I have an eternal cable but seriously I need there to be some type of way to gain XP just off of playing the jobs alone because I have nearly three days and I am still level 25. Payday 2 I would have been like infamy ll or lll by now.
I think a good stealth challenge could be "Time spent without the alarm going off", which would encourage attempting stealth and the patient mindset it encourages.
I have been playing your payday series from payday first launch thru of course payday 3 first launch and I will say the XP situation you got going on it's very disappointing of what have you done to payday it needs a rework I know that's annoying and is a pain in the butt but it needs to be done but beyond your XP Idea you put in the new game the game is pretty well done but I'm done playing until you fix XP
Yeah like when are the PS5 players gonna get there cosmetic stuff and silver edition and gold I paid 80 bucks for a game and didn't get shit just a basic game
Nope. Keep it. Forces you to make tradeoffs and choices and players to specialise across a crew. Giving out more skill points because people wanted more is how PD2's power creep started and must be avoided to prevent repeating past mistakes. If you need more skill points, remove the points from skills that are less valuable than the one you want.
Sorry to say this but Payday 3 is a joke…! No offline mode, no kick, no xp points and carrying 2 bags is like the cheat people use on pc… What a waiste of my money… i was unable to play for 3 days due to server problems… like dude, fix your servers first before launching a game!!
At launch they had 69k people playing at once, not including console players. Of course the servers would get overloaded because they never thought this many people would suddenly jump on the game.
Ok so: 1. They confirmed in the previous stream that the server problems were caused by 2 problems introduced by their 3rd party server partner. As far as the devs knew, they were ready for the server load at launch. 2. They have said they literally are focusing almost all the dev team on fixing the server issues before content. You really think they need more than a couple of people to make a new skill tree? 3. There is XP. The gratification is just delayed until you beat challenges, of which most are for weapons and heist completion which are what you'd be grinding if it was a more traditional XP system anyway.
@@rutgercake9117 What nonsens are you talking about? 69k players at once made their server overload?? I remember when PD2 launched it had over 1,5million players playing simultaneously at the same time without any server problems… the only problem they had back then was desync…
@@SonyStudioPro Payday 2 never had nowhere near 1.5 million playing at once, more like 250k at all time peak. And the only reason they had that many was because PD2 used a P2P system, whilst PD3 uses dedicated servers now.
One hour of self embarresment and reading stuff they didnt do in the first place. You have to love that kind of communication with your beloved community. More facts to come@@hazmatbp
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challenges should be bonus exp not the only exp. mind boggling how this got into full release.
yep, its amazing how its possible to get 0 infamy xp after a heist...feels so terrible. dont know how a designer could sign that off...ever. there is no sense of success in such a system, and encourages griefing for people laser focused on doing THEIR challenge and not the TEAM HEIST
Honestly is the main reason I haven't played the game in a while, unless im playing how the devs want me to I gain little to no exp for any heist I do now
@@Bizza12345 yeaaaaaa I spent an hour getting all the loot in rock the cradle, and got n o t h i n g it was fucking disheartening like yea I got money, but shit doesn't matter if the damn unlocks aren't available because I have to do some dumbass challenges that are against my playstyle.
fumbled the fucking bag
Same mistake halo infinite made, look how that worked out
They’re one of the few dev groups that care about their community and haven’t sold out to a big corporation, they’re in this game for the long run like 6+ years and this is the first week of release let’s all just calm down.
make a better xp system, doing heist while gaining 0 XP is frustating
They already did it right on PD1 by challenges with some EXP along the way. There's no excuse for gaining 0 XP :(
Payday 2 perfected the system for XP but for weapon XP PDTH has it down pat
@@captainhydrodus4616I wouldn’t say perfect, IMO it was too easy to gain XP in that game. Better than PD3 progression I admit.
Virgin extrinsic motivator: BUT I DIDN'T SEE NUMBER GO UP!
Chad Intrinsic Motivator: The gameplay itself is fun. Everything else is a bonus.
Also you didn't get 0 XP, you got progression on your weapon challenges, which leads to XP. Just play the game for fun. You don't need to be max level.
The next update stream, lets ask it
Servers are running alot better here in the West Coast United States. Games super fun i love the updated stealth aspect. Not a fan of the leveling system, its a damn grind to get them 21 skill points just to make a decent build. Hopefully thingsll be different later.
Must be bad at choosing skills if you need all 21 to be "decent".
@@PlebNC have to agree, although it was the beta, you could have a good build with just 7 skills, i think 21 feels a little too much to be honest
@PlebNC I feel 21 Is a good number so people can pick up more team focused skills and grab more fun stuff like hostage skills while not sacrificing build viability
Yeah yeah. Starbreezes new motto, "time gate our game as much as possible so microtransactions will be inevitable in the near future." I stealth mostly, have a solid tank edge grit last man standing Shotgun loud build I'm playing with, can wreck a dozer quick and up close on overkill. Pretty fun.
Great devs, good answers. I love the game now and hope it grows and becomes bigger and better fast.
The leveling and loot system are very unsatifying. During the heist, there's very little indication that a bag was secured, no onscreen value, no cool sound effect, it just disappears and Shade says something.
And after the heist, I get no xp and unless I do very restrictive, very specific challenges. Progression is a nightmare.
The guns feel so weak. Half a mag or multiple headshots headshots to kill one dude. On Normal. The hud is miniscule and bland, the UI sucks.
I want to love this game so badly but it's very unsatisfying in every way.
I think there does need to be a loot secured popup when securing loot/picking up instant loot, but the progression system is fine. You get cash every mission which at minimum can be turned into C Stacks and you are always progressing the weapon/heist completion challenges so even if it doesn't show XP gain you are still progressing towards it.
I don't think guns are weak, you're probably thinking of the Heavy SWATs in later waves that have armoured helmets and thus should take more damage. I think this makes the cops more of a threat than in PD2 and emphasises the importance of managing resources and efficient heist completion as you'll lose more ammo over time once the heavy units arrive.
I think the HUD is intended as minimalistic to improve immersion and is refreshing in an age where most games vomit UI overlays over everything.
While i largely age: there are some heists that call out a bag is secured like Gold and Shark and Road rage "Thats one bag, thats two bags.... THATS ALL OF THEM LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE"
health doesn't change between difficulties thats why the health needs to have some sort of middle ground, with edge you can kill pretty fast
I don’t know if this has been talked about yet. I play on ps5 and whenever I try to watch a story cutscene, all my sound turns off. I can’t watch the cutscenes with sound no matter what I do.
new interaction animations are highly in need, so i’m happy to hear you guys got plans to change that. Also could you please add more separate loot, like small piles of diamonds stones so that you can insistingly “F-Key” them to collect. It’s rather meager, collecting the stones and just waiting till the interaction circle is charged.
there handling it better then most game company's have, lets be honest
Most companies would go on really bad damage control and try to close down any criticism, but Overkill let's it come to them and work their way with it.
@@rutgercake9117 its all about the money for Overkill… they don’t care about the players and its been like that since PDTH game…!
@@SonyStudioPro If they only cared about the money then they wouldn't have even bothered making these streams and get their team working on the servers. If they really were money hungry they'd release the game in a broken state and leave it for dead lil bro.
@@rutgercake9117 Not sure what world you’re living in but they released a broken game..! Everything Overkill does is to get players pay for micro transactions ingame. Like the basic game that costs 30€ will cost about/moe then 250€ when all ingame transactions will be bought by a player (new maps, new guns, new cosmetics etc)… Just look at Payday 2, the basic game costs 20€ but with all ingame transactions it costs more then 250€. Still need proof?
Fatshark's Darktide had radio silence and did not bother doing any fixes until next year.
OVERKILL is giving us a bit of news and transparency about what they are doing, so there is a bit of hope.
But actions speaks louder than words, we will have to see where they go with all this.
Can we also have a perk to throw bags farther, like in payday 2.
I think we will if the leaks are to be believed
There... is... I think
Is the up coming patch gonna fix the frame rate issue on rock the cradle on series x ?
Challenges are cool and great for goals to do and should give bonuses but they should not be the only way to progress in the game.
I hope they fix the in-game friends list
Love to hear new skills are coming, hope to be able to convert 2x captured SWAT enemies like in the last game!
Once again, it’s great to see you guys taking the steps to fix the game. You don’t see that from many developers these days so I very much appreciate what you’re doing.
I am back to see what's new here, the game looks to be beter now, and next week will be any beter, good job guys, work harder now, you are in right direction now.
i want my electrical saw back to saw into the little safes
how come when they talk about Jacket the camera glitches in the video and all of the edited UI glitches too? 25:30
Random thing i tested: if any of you care the Steam deck handle the game pretty good. If you want to play on the go but without a pause feature its not the best experience.
For the love God just put the old progression system from payday 2
Can we have the Payday 2 cards back. The ones we picked after each heist?
Almir, Comically Large Spork when?
Give the game like a base amount of XP, and like, killing a guard gives you a certain amount of XP in stealth and lowers if it goes loud. And if you finish a heist without killing a guard, you gain more XP than killing 2-4 guards on normal or OVERKILL.
Let me guess you are still thinking about a offline mode for 2034
I think showing progress towards challenges that have progressed would go a long way to making you feel like you're accomplishing something
*at heist completion
Thank you
When we getting a boomerang as a weapon
I was a mastermind and now you took away converting cops... you have emasculated meeeeeeeeeee
add a skill: when hit in the head with a sniper rifle, enemies within a radius of 5 meters receive 90% of the damage dealt, this is very important, since at the moment sniper rifles are useless!
I’m really hoping melee weapons _don’t_ return ^^ Just boost the stagger and damage of melee attacks as they are, I suppose.
You get cracked in the face with the butt of a weapon, it’s gonna hurt! It felt like melee weapons were rather underpowered in 2, so I’m hoping the basic panic slap becomes viable, and no needless tools get thrown in to complicate things further.
there is no damage to melee
@@locki_dosit does, it’s just very very little
we already know they are coming back
By the time you make an informed decision about what is hands down the worst way to progress (challenges) the game will already be dead and your reputation will be destroyed nevermind the $ it costs a company already struggling. Sometimes mistakes are made don't double down on the challenges that is what halo infinite did and look at it now
payday 3 in 2023 :
earning xp through
challanges.. not finishing heist.
The 'UI'
the servers
Only online game
no kick system
Bruh, there's an entire challenge category for finishing heists multiple times across various difficulties and approaches.
Relly? let check, oo theirs a whole section called Heist in the Challenges. Lets see what we got, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp, complete heist for xp? yep checks out their are no xp from completing heist what so ever in PD3 %)
+ Armor system is terrible
No Preplanning
No epic music
No old iconic charcacters like Jacket, John Wick etc etc
Only 9 heists
@@Rockarsipu
Your bait is mid at best.
Try harder.
@@PlebNC ?
Payday is a game where you choose your playstyle. They are todd howarding this so hard. You shouldnt be forced to change your playstyle to earn xp
You Should Bring Back The Green Dozer And Black Dozer From PayDay 2
Please improve the movement for console.
I just miss how i can tell AI to Hold , and to Follow and able to give them guns and customise them on PAYDAY 2 , i was just hoping PAYDAY 3 would be much improve on that but they just cut it out and force people to play Co-op Only , and you can't even give Order to AI , cannot do it anymore , i miss PAYDAY 2 so much
Be careful with stats on challenges. Im guessing theres alot like me who are doing them to lvl,but hate how the lvling is. The fact that its faster lvling to do minium loot over spending 5mins to get 10+bags is stupid. both weapon exp and lvls are better to do main mission for 1500xp over 10 more lootbags for 1750 and no extra lvl xp
Honestly I don't care about the launch and I have waited for payday 3 for 10 years also I don't really mind that the game is always online because I have an eternal cable but seriously I need there to be some type of way to gain XP just off of playing the jobs alone because I have nearly three days and I am still level 25. Payday 2 I would have been like infamy ll or lll by now.
Oh! Unique heist favours are a reward? I thought it was randomly chosen for the whole lobby that anyone could choose.
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I think a good stealth challenge could be "Time spent without the alarm going off", which would encourage attempting stealth and the patient mindset it encourages.
People will just go AFK.
I don’t have a problem with the current challenge system
I have been playing your payday series from payday first launch thru of course payday 3 first launch and I will say the XP situation you got going on it's very disappointing of what have you done to payday it needs a rework I know that's annoying and is a pain in the butt but it needs to be done but beyond your XP Idea you put in the new game the game is pretty well done but I'm done playing until you fix XP
i wish there was a pvp mode where players can be cops
Can you imagine how rage inducing it would be if players were behind the controls of a Cloker
@@SpottedHares Fun you mean
anyone got a TLDR
Its early in the morning, come on man
Do you think we all live in the same time zone? 😂
Laughs in GMT time zone.
Oh it's the table for what year 2078
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Hello Almir:)
Buffs shotguns
Shotguns are fine. Get closer to enemies. Aim for head.
@@PlebNC i shouldn't have to aim for shit if im up there ass and there still getting up
@@PlebNC M308 and scar one shots to the head from any range is the problem. Shotguns are not fine
Yeah like when are the PS5 players gonna get there cosmetic stuff and silver edition and gold I paid 80 bucks for a game and didn't get shit just a basic game
October they said
Iam so glad I didn't buy this game the whole always online and you changed the progression just horrible I'll stay with payday 2
"Every option is on a table" every fucking player wants it, just give it to us
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Love the game but please get rid of the 21 skill limit.
Nope. Keep it. Forces you to make tradeoffs and choices and players to specialise across a crew.
Giving out more skill points because people wanted more is how PD2's power creep started and must be avoided to prevent repeating past mistakes.
If you need more skill points, remove the points from skills that are less valuable than the one you want.
The whole always online and the exp is horrible
Sorry to say this but Payday 3 is a joke…! No offline mode, no kick, no xp points and carrying 2 bags is like the cheat people use on pc… What a waiste of my money… i was unable to play for 3 days due to server problems… like dude, fix your servers first before launching a game!!
At launch they had 69k people playing at once, not including console players. Of course the servers would get overloaded because they never thought this many people would suddenly jump on the game.
Ok so:
1. They confirmed in the previous stream that the server problems were caused by 2 problems introduced by their 3rd party server partner. As far as the devs knew, they were ready for the server load at launch.
2. They have said they literally are focusing almost all the dev team on fixing the server issues before content. You really think they need more than a couple of people to make a new skill tree?
3. There is XP. The gratification is just delayed until you beat challenges, of which most are for weapons and heist completion which are what you'd be grinding if it was a more traditional XP system anyway.
@@rutgercake9117 What nonsens are you talking about? 69k players at once made their server overload?? I remember when PD2 launched it had over 1,5million players playing simultaneously at the same time without any server problems… the only problem they had back then was desync…
@@SonyStudioPro Payday 2 never had nowhere near 1.5 million playing at once, more like 250k at all time peak. And the only reason they had that many was because PD2 used a P2P system, whilst PD3 uses dedicated servers now.
what a massive joke
payday 2 > payday 3
Stop talking, stop apologizing, just fix the game and give us the basic features worth 40$. You just lost another hour of programming.
you're so right they shouldn't be communicating with the community at all, keep spitting facts little bro
One hour of self embarresment and reading stuff they didnt do in the first place. You have to love that kind of communication with your beloved community. More facts to come@@hazmatbp
They should had offline mode from the start and had the progression system from payday 2