The Complete History of the Cummerbund
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- FINALLY. I'm sorry that it took such a long time for me to post a video, but I was working on this beast.
When I started this video I assumed that it wouldn't be very long, considering my knowledge of the subject told me it was a pretty straight forward, and not too complicated. However, the further I dug for sources and images the more and more information I unearthed, meaning that this video has been re-edited more times than I can count on one hand - hence why the narration is a bit choppy.
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Update:
We have now found cummervests as early an 1896!!
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Good sources for extra reading:
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www.bows-n-ties.com/mens-fash...
www.walternelson.com/dr/evenin...
www.victoriana.com/Mens-Clothi...
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refashioninghistory.com/2015/...
premium.weatherweb.net/weathe...
books.google.co.jp/books?id=C...
Theblacktieblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/edwardian-mess-jacke/
Theblacktieblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/from-the-vaults-jet-age-grooviness/
Gentlemansgazette.com/tuxedo-black-tie-guide/vintage-evening-wear/waistcoats-vests-cummerbunds
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:08 - Intro video
01:27 - Research
01:37 - What is a waistcoat?
02:25 - The Cummerbund
02:55 - Persian Empire (Etymology)
06:30 - 1850s
07:47 - 1870s
08:39 - 1880s
09:58 - 1890s
11:04 - 1900s-1910s (Cummervest)
15:14 - 1920s
16:04 - 1930s
16:21 - 1940s
16:41 - 1950s-1970s
17:09 - Fashion Show
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Well done!
Hello
Hi Sven/Preston/Kyle! I'm a huge fan!
Origin of Cummerband related to Oldest martial arts Kalari payatu, in kalari payatu the warrior used a 14 feet silken cloth wrapped arond their waist it's called 'Kacha' in local language later the mugals and persians adopted it.
@@theAestheticOf kamar means the back and band means a tie. Si i dont get it why you are saying this?
Hello guys, sorry that the video was briefly removed and re-uploaded, one of the titles was incorrect!
I haven't watched the video completely, but the first thing that went through my mind seeing 'Cummerbund' was it's resemblance to Kamar-band in my native tongue (hindustani/hindi-urdu/hindi- whatever you wanna call it).
Kamar=waist
Band=close
so like, closed around the waist.
kamarband (कमरबंद) is a type of jewellery.
edit: found it in the vid. 'round 6 min mark.
Indeed, if you go to 03:28 we look at the etymology!
Wrong history, Origin of Cummerband related to Oldest martial arts Kalari payatu, in kalari payatu the warrior used a 14 feet silken cloth wrapped arond their waist it's called 'Kacha' in local language later the mugals and persians adopted it.
It’s a Persian word alright, that entered Hindustani, like so many other words. Let’s not forget that Persian was the language spoken in the Mughal Court. “Band” is a Indo-European word whose English cognate is… band!
WHAT THE!
1: A whole full-on sash was still worn in the 90's?!
2: The fact that it's a fake trendy waistcoat is such a novelty I want one!
I'm a living historian at a country estate portraying the 1880's in Australia (and a fan boy of 1895), it gets HOT here and I think these two are the best thing I've found out this year such a novelty!
I'm going to wear these!
Same, East side of the country and I dabble in a mixture of late 1800-1900s.
Between this and the fake shirt video I'm amused by the lengths people would go to in order to maintain the correct look while trying to keep cool. Gotta keep up that appearance
Dress smart, not down!
Better than watching people wear next to nothing walk around on the street
@@eliegbert8121 or wearing their pajamas
I love Victorian women’s fashion but since watching you’re videos you make men’s fashion less boring and more interesting now that I’m learning that they were much more than suits changing a bit through the years. I see that it is much more complicated than that. Keep up the good work!
I feel the exact same way. I love womens historical fashion but I didn't really bother looking into mens fashion so much, but learning all of the nuances of it makes it far more interesting.
Just to note, if you do ever plan on making video on waistcoats I'd love to see it. I think those are possibly the best looking part of men's attire and finish a suit beautifully. (Or look good without the jacket. It just seems more polished somehow to see a man wearing a waistcoat over his shirt and trousers rather than just the shirt and trousers. Tie optional, in my opinion.)
You're such a brilliant and well-spoken storyteller. It's pleasure listening to you.
It's so good that we can take trrnds that were unpopular, gaudy or inappropriate at the time and just enjoy them now
I was just becoming concerned that you may have stopped uploading, but then this video saved me from those concerns. A very interesting video and I hope to see more in the future, might you know anything of Dressing gowns and Smoking jackets?
I appreciate and admire your hard work❤ your style is fantastic and I am so happy to have found someone who talks about the wonderful male side of fashion history, especially with such enthusiasm!😊 keep making great videos!
Finally somebody who’s daring enough to do a history video on the cummerbund! I find that I like wearing cummerbunds better than a waistcoat ( possibly because I don’t wear a pocket watch). I like the illusion that it brings out that you appear taller wearing one, I like that it makes you look more put together and that you don’t have any breaks in your line from top to bottom. I also like how braces look when worn with cummerbunds, especially if the cummerbund is worn slightly tighter. I’m also not afraid to wear a tuxedo during the daytime as it looks incredible and when worn with the cummerbund and bow tie, looks like what a good suit should look like: sharp and elegant. The cummerbund looks so much better than a waistcoat and is cooler as well. So, the Brits had the right idea in bringing the cummerbund into wider use and we’ve all been able to use it to good advantage with our formal wear. Now if only we could get back into dressing up on a daily basis and lose the casualness of what we have become, we just might become a properly dressed country again. (I kind of doubt it will happen since too many men think wearing a suit is a hassle and that it’s uncomfortable to wear).
I recently learned about the cummervests from a 50s menswear tailoring book i bought. I was quite fascinated by them as i've never seen such a thing. Sadly they were just briefly mentioned and acknowledged. I wanted to research them on my own but your amazing video surprused me with enough satisfying info! Thanks for this! :)
Look at this absolute mad man spitting even more facts
I had flashbacks of my wedding in 1987 and the hideous bright colors I used. Those matching cummerbunds... those poor groomsmen... 🤦♀️🤣😂🤣.
What an excellent video! I feel educated and entertained 😁 I've followed you on Instagram for ages but never indulged in your videos. Brilliant, would love to see more please!
Thank you so much for all this info. I always wondered why guys wore those because it seemed like it had no purpose. But knowing this? It makes more sense.
I always was under the impression that men's clothing was made for function and not just fashion. Ties, I was told when I was a kid, either were to "hide the shirt buttons, or any gaps made by them" and bowties were to keep the collar closed and modest. Codswallop I know now. But it sounded good at the time. Cummerbunds? Those made no sense. (Also thought it was said and written "cumberbun" which explains why I never found owt about it.😅)
no function? what about their crumb-catching, ticket-holding power!? 😱
Thoroughly, enjoyed that! Thank you so much!
Thank you for another awesome video! Very interesting topic, I learn so many new things about men's fashion here. And I really like your humour :)
Another exceptional video, sir!
Those videos are high quality and lots of details. Thanks
These videos are quality, on your first few videos!
This was so interesting! I've watched a bunch of your videos now (!) while doing some sewing :D I would love to hear more about waistcoats. Or anything really!
Excellent video! I learnt much.
His Lordship is intrigued! I shall inquire at my tailor about having some made for Continental jaunts.
Love that fabric back drop!!!
Your videos are awesome! I learn something new every time. Would you consider talking about shirt collars? I've seen them in several different shapes and materials but I'm curious to know the significance of the various different types.
So cool to see @berolinensis on a RUclips video!
Cracking video! I have learned so much
Hi Aaron, great video. Just had a look in my catalogs, I found an example like your hounds-tooth shape in a 1901 Canadian catalog
Thank you so much for letting me know!
It would be fantastic to see! My Instagram is @kasasenchou, so feel free to pop me a message if you fancy it!
Today I'm very sad and frustrated because of some work, and this video cheered me up. Thank you
Hello. Do you have a video on old necktie styles? Like the one you are wearing at the end?
Capital! Great research.
Also, we’ve come full circle, as many militaries use a “battle belt” as part of a combat uniform- a thick (sometimes with Kevlar inserts) belt that covers part of the hips and waist to protect the area below a bullet proof vest, as well as to hold a gun or other gear pouches...
Will you consider making these? (As well as other items of interest) ...Perhaps opening an Etsy shop?
Cummer bandh is an indian (hindi) word. It is totally indian which british incorporated in their dressing style.
We demonstrate the etymology of the word and the origin of the garment dates back to ancient Persia.
Hi I'm interested in the sash version. Do you know the dimensions and how they were tied? Or any modern sources? Thank you.
Correction: Mughals were Turkic in origin, used Persian as court language and also in many Indian languages Kamar and band means the same.
0:26 *Vsauce music starts*
Reminds me of some Polynesian waist bands. In the Kingdom of Tonga the men wear what is called ta'ovala. When ancient Polynesian sailors arrived to Tonga their clothes were seen as unacceptable to wear in front of the king as the voyage has worn them out. These sailors cut up up their expensive sails and wrapped themselves in it, a sacrifice the King of Tonga was touched by. He ordered that the ta'ovala be the uniform of his court. Though Queen Salote III ordered that the ta'ovala should be worn by all and this traditional waistband is common now, even worn with suits and dresses to this day. Where as in my Samoan culture we have a waistband worn in the similar way called a valatau or vala and the other a 'ie toga. Worn by the chiefs, their single oldest son or daughter during celebrations and cultural ceremonies. Some older photos of 1920s, 30s Samoa and Tonga you can see the vala and ta'ovala worm with vintage suits and rathet than trousers, the dress male skirt known as a ie faitaga in Samoa, sulu in Fiji and tupenu in Samoa are normally with suits jackets and the traditional waistband. A year after Elizabeth's coronation, she visits Queen Salote Tupou III in the Kingdom of Tonga. Salote and her son Prince Tau'faahau greet the English queen wearing the ta'ovala over their outfits. Though being Polynesian myself and living in Utah, I like to dress according the 1920s in Utah. As a large Polynesian community also lives here in Utah, I find I wear the waistband and traditional male skirt of my culture with the jacket and collarless shirt as seen in old photos. Anyways, this was very interesting.
2:30 hahahaha the graph lines! after kamarband hahaha
interesting video, thanks! :D
Disappointed I didn’t get to see the karate chop “done” ending.
As someone from a hot country that cannot wear 3 piece suit, this is a very amusing video.
Love your content!
By the way kamar band is a Urdu word too, lovely video 😊
“Sepah” is Persian for “army”, so ”sepahi” means “soldier”. That word gave “spahi” in French through Arabic, or “sepoy” in English and “cipayo” in Spanish.
Most insightful!
The Mughals weren’t exactly Persian in origin; more accurately, they started as Persianate Turco-Mongols.
Pyjamas also derived from an indian word,too.
I only like them for black tie.
your my Fashion role model lol
You're too kind! ;-;
The video I didn't know I needed but I did LMAO thank you!
Hell yeah bro drip or drown
We call belts Kamarband in Persian
so..the cummerbund is the Victorian fannypack
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😊
Please make a hat video
Btw is Olga Polish by any chance?
She’s Russian.
@@MildlyRabid I was close. Thanks!
I’m going to buy nice clothes as soon as I’m full grown
That is quite amazing at last I met someone like I!!! Since I'm born im obssessed with 1890s mens fashion and dress with originals too!!! One must meet together one day. Do check my facebook Alois Willelm for a few pics of my outfit. I wear an original 1920s topper daily amongst other things. It is extraordinary u should be passionated by false collar cuffs n bibs just like I
Why is your Instagram banned?!
It's not :) At least, it shouldn't be.
@@AntiqueMenswear Why can't I access it?
@@toffee4544 I'm really unsure why you wouldn't be able to? What's your handle?
@@AntiqueMenswear it says its broken, and I don't follow it anymore but I don't use Instagram much anymore
Wrong history Origin of Cummerband related to Oldest martial arts Kalari payatu, in kalari payatu the warrior used a 14 feet silken cloth wrapped arond their waist it's called 'Kacha' in local language later the mugals and persians adopted it.
Our story starts with the Persian fashion being passed onto the British.
So it's not wrong is it.
@@AntiqueMenswear Only the term ' cummerband ' has Hindustani or persian origin.
But the origin of 'cumberband' fashion deeply rooted "Kalari Payatu", the oldest martial art in the planet.
ruclips.net/video/AISBxNpgAIE/видео.html
Watch this video at 2:35
Sadly most of our history is only passed through oral tradition much as ballards, most european historians ignored our history.
The Mughals were NOT Persian. They were merely imitating Persians. They idenified with Tamerlame or Timur, a raider and looter from Uzbekistan, Central Asia. The word Mughal is a corruption of the word MONGOL. And we all know where Mongolia is.
0:26 _Vsauce music starts_