Chiropractic is 98% BS- A Response to Joe Rogan
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Joe Rogan recently came out with a viral video where he claimed 98% of chiropractic is BS.
In his conversation, he made quite a few great points. But, other parts of his opinion might be a little closer to fiction instead of fact.
Here are a few evidence-based thoughts regarding his comments.
Joe's original video is here- • Joe Rogan on Chiroprac...
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I agree that Rogan was wrong on this one. It's actually 100%.
@2good2be4gotten lol show me the science ousode of chiropractic journals.
dead on accurate
Your smoking crack
@@raharoth There a a few research paper from Harvard medicine.
As someone who went a handful of time I got exactly what I expected alleviated pain and restored mobility. No it's not 100% bullshit.
He lost me at spinal hygiene 😆
Right? 😆
Now, I’ve got some vertebrae to scrub before bedtime….later!
Well I sure wouldn't date you, knowing that you don't scrub and floss each of your vertebrae every night and every morning!! 😂🤣
I laughed out loud at that 😂
That's because they use made up words to describe their fake 'medicine'.
Remember to brush your spine after every meal!
Your video perfectly reflects the bs chiropractors tell their patients, i watched this whole video and not once did you talk about how the practice can heal someone. That's what Joe was saying "tell me how pressing on my back is going to heal me". I don't think you have bad intentions but you did not convince anyone with this
Here you go- www.webmd.com/back-pain/guide/chiropractic-pain-relief or please feel free to reference clinical practice guidelines from the ACP and AMA
@@Theevidencebasedchiropractor I hope that after going to this link the topics aren't subluxations.
@@etrigueros It prob took you more time to write your comment than it did to click the link
@@petermayne8131 obviously.
@@etrigueros Did you not consider that option?
I'm an MD. I talk about core strengthening exercises and stretches to maintain musculoskeletal health with EVERY patient that comes with back pain. I discuss it in a more general sense with every patient as part of maintaining healthy weight, posture, and bone health. This is standard practice among my colleagues as well.
And for the record, Physical Therapists are the best healthcare professionals to talk about those topics, not chiropractors.
Glad to hear that you are following the guidelines; but most MD's are unfortunately not.
Do you actually show your patients the exercises? Or just talk about them and just refer to PT?
no PM&R or neuromuscular skeletal medicine docs are the best to talk about that. A physician leading treatment and options.
@@MegaCam3ron even if he did just send them off to a PT it would be way safer than sending them to some quack chiropractor who wants to separate their spine from their head.
@@Theevidencebasedchiropractor what’re you talking about, most MD’s aren’t following guidelines? What MD’s are you referring to?
Dude, I know it’s scary when your entire profession and subsequently way of life is being threatened, especially on the hinge of a ten minute video clip, but this is nothing new. Chiropractors have always been associated with quacks. It was literally born from a pseudoscience. Better to accept it and bow out with a little grace.
98% percent of the comments agree that chiropractic is bs
That just shows a specific population agree. It has nothing to do with truth
What do you think chiropractic is?
C. M. What do you think you’re refuting here?
C. M. sure bud.
C. M. a scam. look it up boss.
do you not understand who dd palmer was ?
Trust me, i'm a chiropractor
bahahaaaaaaa
That would mean you hold a bachelor with a science curriculum, 4 years of professional graduate school and passed 4 national board exams and take continuing courses to renew your license every year.
Trust but verify
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua yeah, but you would learn and pass the exams at the chiropractic level, and that's it. It's just many years of bachelor's degree level repetition. Also, you can really get into a chiropractic school with no sweat.
🙈😅
@@nahlalee1
Here's the prerequisites to enter a Chiropractic medical school:
www.nuhs.edu/admissions/chiropractic-medicine/applying/prerequisites/
Here's the course schedule of a Chiropractic medical school:
www.nuhs.edu/academics/college-of-professional-studies/chiropractic-medicine/curriculum/trimester-by-trimester/
If you manage to get in it'll be harder to get out. You will be challenged mentally and physically
1:21 - I would disagree, a physical therapist is the best one to talk about ergonomics and core strengthening.
Which are both far from being evidence based concepts, especially the latter.
@@SB-qo3bf they are absolutely evidence based
Most myths that many chiros support like regular maintenance of the spine by cavitating the spine, and putting the control on an external per$on. It is very against evidence based management.
@@SB-qo3bf ignore this idiot he thinks chiropractors actually do science based things.
@@SB-qo3bf What are you talking about?
I had a herniated disk, did what this guy said (go to chiropractor) I was then almost in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. I had emergency back fusion surgery. Luckily I'm walking now.
and if you went to a pettibon chiropractor you wouldnt have needed surgery
@@annhart1453 stop spreading nonsense which could lead to a life changing injury. You have little to no regard for peoples wellbeing.
There's bad Dr.'s, bad dentists...most people have been to a bad dentist, does that mean you stop going or don't try another one? NO. You went to a bad chiro...I went to a bad dentist, I went to a different one, big deal. Not all chiros are the same, no different from any practitioner, you're painting all chiros with one brush which is 100% wrong.
@@blockonblockonblockonblock Yup there's plenty of chiropractors and their patients laughing at you now, nice try though. Thx for playing, educate yourself next time before commenting.
@@blockonblockonblockonblock The part of the population that has a brain is already educated.
Basically, 98% of chiropractors are scams. This guy is kinda right because he does mention core strengthening. But you will get better results at a physical therapist.
Physical therapists are just as bad for the most part. True some people who have a terrible accident or something need it. But most the people that go in there just have some minor back pain. If their doctor would just give them a list of exercises , they could help themselves. Medical field today is just ripping everyone off
Absolute garbage, informed by nothing better than ignorance.
@@buzz-86 medical doctors have zero requirements to take any kinesiology (the study of movement) courses. physical therapists are specialists in exactly that. what you were describing was the exact role of a physical therapist
@@brownthunder999 Not to be confused with "Applied kinesiology" (the thing most Chiropractors push) which is considered absolute pseudoscience.
@@buzz-86 medical doctors are not trained in therapeutic exercises. That's literally what PTs are trained to do. They are one of the most important fields health care
As someone who got a permanent case of craniocervical instability (i.e. my upper neck ligaments are totally f*cked from neck adjustment), I affirm that it's not just BS, it's DANGEROUS! Dont let a chiropractor near your neck please! Too much important stuff up there to risk it with a barbaric trauma-inducing maneuver!
this is sarcasm right?
What kind of quiropraxy? I've been watching some videos, and there is the gentle way, and that horrible one of give beatings. Just the second looks totaly fake and even could make the patiente worse. About be barbaric, had already thoght of cut people for any reason that can be prevented first? That is what surgery is if it's the first option, and has a huge dungerous or colateral effects of the drugs even for proper cases
@@Willmoaano this happens
@garrettg-fk6tv can you explain more please.
Craniocervical instability, who diagnosed you with this, I also had an adjustment done, he said my occipital bone was out of alignment, after that I've been suffering with dizziness
@@WillmoaaJesus you know nothing do you? A short online research is enough to find out its quackery.. But you know what, with a person named "God first" I'd expect their quackery sensors to be permanently damaged
Of course this dude says its not a scam he is a chiropractor lol
facts
well its not?
@GodFirst444 It is, the practice was started by a guy who claimed he fixed a guy's deafness by hitting his back with a chisel. Chiropractors use SOME techniques which licensed physiotherapists do but their trade is based on misinformation and pseudoscience. The reason why a crack feels good because air gets released from the joints and endorphins are injected to manage the pain. Any masseur even worth their salt would tell you that cold "adjustment" is just asking for injury.
It is you idiot @@Willmoaa
@@Willmoaa Numerous deaths have occurred after chiropractic manipulations. The risks of this treatment by far outweigh its benefit.
From national health, if a doctor says it doesn’t work why would listen to a con artist? Chiros legally cannot cal themselves doctors,
Its amazing that you dont actually provide links to these journals that supposedly say chiropractic treatment is the bees knees. Especially with the label the evidence based chiropractor🤔
Right ? Weird
It's because they're all a sham, the studies don't exist
HMMMMM
Did Joe provide any resources or journals? I don’t know, asking
@@deltalima5806 you can read Not All Its Cracked Up To be by Edzart Ernst or watch his lectures on YT. Chiropractic is rubbish.
The fact that you have to define yourself as "evidence based" speaks volumes of the industry, don't ya think?
Jason Briggs your sentences make no sense
@@shannonossman3473 I made a comment about the name he used. Since I know the name he used, I'm pretty sure I have all the info I need.
@@Chrizton Jason Briggs makes no sense. A fool who believes in fools.
@@shannonossman3473 youre literally judging and verbally attacking people just because they don’t share your opinion
@@shannonossman3473 your uninformed-opinion about other people's valid argument sounds so stupid and speaks volume about your own intellectuality.
This guy called chiropractors “healthcare professionals” multiple times 😂
they are cosplaying at being physicians :D
What is your level of education?
The founder of chiropractic Palmer, said Chiropractic was the cure for all disease and that he was taught it by a doctor that died 50 years before, Palmer wanted to make Chiropractic a religion. *"The American Medical Association called chiropractic an "unscientific cult" in 1966."* *"Chiropractors, including Palmer, were jailed for practicing medicine without a license. Palmer wanted to establish chiropractic as a religion to resolve this problem."* *"A 2003 profession-wide survey found "most chiropractors still hold views of Innate Intelligence and of the cause and cure of disease consistent with those of the Palmers."* And they don't believe in vaccines *"During the COVID-19 pandemic, chiropractic professionals spread anti-vaccine disinformation."* So at best it's pseudoscientific and ineffective but at worst it's fatal *"It is frequently associated with mild to moderate adverse effects, with serious or fatal complications, several deaths have been associated with this technique."*
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua If he has none he is equal to a chiropractor.
@@jordob5791 can you back up your statement? Proof please
"evidence based chiropractor" oxymoron
exactly
Evidence based care is taught in chiropractic schools
What are you nay sayer’s qualifications? “Evidence based chiropractor” oxymoron Oska Pakenham, surely you are not so ignorant as to think medicine is a science.
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua Chiropractic schools dont know what evidence is
@parker rough
Proof please that DC schools don’t know what evidence is. Chiropractic schools are concerned to teach conservative Healthcare. The study materials are oriented to patient care outcome.
“Treated for over a year.” He wasn’t being treated he was being scammed.
Was treated for three months. Back pain never went away. Went to a PT doctor and they had an MRI done and the Chiropractic doctor had actually pressed a disc out of place. I filed a lawsuit against him and like most things they ruled in his favor saying "Well you should have let him know about your hEDS. Which the paper work where I stated it was MISSING! Chrio are full of BS.
Bob Wiley
Chiropractors are helping people avoid surgery, my friend
engelsseele2
I’m sorry for your story.
If you were treated for 3 months and your back pain never went away, the problem was with the practitioner, not the profession. If you’re not seeing improvement within one month, the doctor of Chiropractic needs to do further investigation like diagnostic imaging, labs, nerve conduction studies, etc.
However, a herniated disc will go in and out, an adjustment is not likely to push it out but lifestyle is.
Studies show that disc herniation happens because the nutrition to the disc is diminished. How? The endplate cartilages, which allow for passage of nutrients from the bone to the disc are degenerated by inflammatory cytokines from your fat and knee cartilage. An inflammatory lifestyle will degenerate the endplates and disc nutrition will be poor. Inflammation causes pain, so the person is less likely to want to move, which leads to ligament restriction.
The brain controls postural muscles, but inflammation causes the brain to disconnect from the deep postural muscles allowing for the protection on the disc from being squeezed by body weight to dysfunction.
The the disc environment becomes acidic, dehydrates, weakens and under normal pressure it ruptures.
When the nucleus gets out, there’s a 40% chance of infection from the bacteria that is in your skin, (which gets into your blood eg., when you brush your teeth)
This can cause excruciating pain, sciatica, the irritated inflamed nerve can weaken, lose circulation from bulging pressure, etc.
Blaming the chiropractor who’s been adjusting the spine is like blaming the dentist for making one’s gums bleed in a deep cleaning when one has periodontitis.
Unless the clinician treats the underlying inflammatory problem and rehabilitate the disc, the surrounding tissues, the health of the brain, core and posture, the patient does not get permanently better.
Spinal rehabilitation and conditioning requires that the person becomes healthy overall.
@@shannonossman3473 No!
@@engelsseele2 Chiropractic manipulation has been shown in studies to correct disc herniation. But, I always recommend that you ask friends and family if they have seen a chiropractor who helped them get rid of their symptoms. I have heard from my patients, that they have seen chiropractors who are very rough (I call them east-westers), instead of being very specific and gentle with manipulation.
Love how he talks about these journals, but does not reference them in the description.
this guy is grasping at straw. he has a big loan to pay off
He gave you the name of the journals do a bit is research.
The journals that he mentioned are all Chiropractic journals... So of course there gonna agree with him
Actually not a single publication he mention is a chiropractic journal. They are medical journals that do frequently include chiropractic research but most generally they are studying other options.
Exactly
*works hand-in-hand with real doctors
@@shannonossman3473 "real doctors"...thus acknowledging that chiropractors aren't physicians
AlphaFoxAdam this guy “Jason Briggs”is just getting offended over anything that seems negative towards chiropractics
@@Chrizton his dad must have been a chiropractor...haha
AlphaFoxAdam lol right?
I am legally acknowledged as a "Chiropractic Physician" in my state. Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just here to troll?
I don't think there will be a "next time" for Joe and chiropractors.
The only reason chiropractic is "stood behind...as the first treatment option" is because doctors want to exhaust all minimally invasive methods before resorting to more complicated treatments like surgery. It's a process of elimination, not really as much to do with chiropractic's track-record of efficacy. Further, appeals to authority dont count as evidence.
Ha! If you go to a orthopedic surgeon for low back pain, you best believe you are going to have surgery. Even if something less invasive is indicated, performing surgery on you is about money, not what is in your best interest.
@@agoogleuser6902 why are going to see a surgeon unless you have life altering pain? Of course they lean towards their profession if you have exhausted all other possibilities why wouldn't they schedule you for what you came to the for. Lol. A surgeon is usually who you see at the end of your pain journey.
@@shaunleusby1991 incoherent
@@agoogleuser6902 seriously. You said ‘if you go’. You have to be referred to a surgeon. Which means your doctor thinks surgery is the best option. You can always say no. Lol. You still have autonomy last time I checked.
@@DSNoxious I've been in practice over 12 years now. I assure you, you can schedule an appointment with an orthopedic group and surgery can be, and often is, the first intervention a patient gets.
Much like the correlation between c-sections and the hospital the mother chooses.
Healthcare is primarily about money, and patient outcomes are not even secondary but more like tertiary.
The founder was a magnetic healer who claimed to have cured a deaf person with chiropractic adjustments. That should tell you enough about this profession. The fact that they have the arrogance to call themselves doctors is laughable.
Yeah it seems like Chiropratic is the Scientology of the medical field.
and medical doctors used to bleed evil spirits out of their patients. What's your point?
The beginnings of Chiropractic are shady just like the beginnings of the medical profession. Remember, not too long ago MDs were blood-letting that resulted in many patient fatalities. The Chiropractic profession is obviously not based in magnetic healing any longer. Are you the same person you were today than at age 5? Modern Chiropractic is more evidence based. Please see my references above like the World Health Organization, Rand report 1991 and 1995 , annals of internal medicine and Duke University study. Please also realize that the term "Doctor" does not mean healthcare provider: it's the length of education that makes a doctor. An astro-physicist is a doctor, but you wouldn't have them check out your mole. You mean physician...and yes, Chiros have physician status in the U.S. Chiros are not trying to be medical doctors just the same way dentists are not trying to be MDs.
MRI and SCIENCE ... the chiropractors worst enemy
J Burg Even though they work together in integrative care lol
Actually, MRI and science are the backbone of chiropractic applications to treatment.
@@haishalehaish lol "backbone" I see what you did there
@@nevazian "Many" of them. Do you have actual statistics? I'm not being argumentative, I'm serious. What is the basic minimum training required for someone who wishes to call themselves a chiropractor? Who enforces the standards?
Damn that was a good one. Nailed it
TRUE STORY: I went to a chiropractor for about a month, once a week. The fourth visit, his receptionist was out, and - not knowing if he was with a client or not - I headed back to the treatment room, which had the door cracked open. Through the crack, I could see a woman sitting on the treatment table, and I could see the chiropractor pointing to something on the wall, out of my view. I heard the chiropractor say to the woman "see, this is the x-ray of your neck and spine, and you can see these spots ... here and here ... where the spine is out of whack .... "
I listened for a few seconds and then turned to go back to the waiting room. Before I could reach the waiting room, I heard the door to the treatment room open and so turned back around to see the woman exiting the room, with the chiropractor right behind her, so I started back toward the treatment room. The chiropractor saw me and said, "Ahh, just the man I was expecting, come on in."
I followed him into the room. He did the adjustment, and then said he had something he wanted to show me. He pointed to the same wall, where I could now clearly see an X-ray of someone's neck and spine. He then said "see, this is an X-ray of your neck and spine, and you can see these spots ... here and here ... where your spine is very badly out of whack ..."
I thought he was joking at first. Then I realized that to him, the chiropractor, it had appeared as though I had just arrived at his office, when he and the other patient exited the treatment room. He had no idea that I had stood just outside the door for thirty seconds of this same "schpeal" he had given the previous client.
There was only one door into the treatment room. There was no one else in the office, as his receptionist was gone, and - even if there had been an entire team there working with him - no one entered or exited that room except the chiropractor and the patient. I even asked him if he was sure that was my X-ray, and he uttered a very unconvincing "uh ... yes" - like I kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
I never went back, and - if I'm being honest - that was the day I came to believe that 95% of chiropractic medicine is bs. Maybe I wrong, but one thing is clear to me, to this day. That chiropractor had done that scam a million times. He said almost exactly the same thing to me that he had said to the woman, with the same timing and meter .... like one says the pledge of allegiance.
That particular chiropractor was a scam artist. Don't base your opinion of an entire profession based off youtube videos and your experience with one chiropractor.
Its called a script
I loved this story
@@RyanAmplification exactly.. That one.. And all the other ones are scam artists!
See, that's the sort of thing that gives Chiro a bad rep. Please report that doc to the state board. We don't want that crap in our profession. If it was the exact same X-ray, that would be fraud and malpractice. All Chiros have some regular things they talk about at the report of findings. Like: spinal mechanics, ergonomics, and explanation of treatment in general that helps the patient understand the problem/treatment. This circumstance does not appear to be that kind of situation. Report him!
You can go get adjusted at one chiropractor, then go to another right after and theyll tell you that you need adjusting
This man reminds me of our White House press Secretary Jen Pisaki...
Source: Trust me
The chiropractor messed my neck up. Its not worth the risk
Sorry to hear you had a negative experience.
What happened, explain more
I'm not saying all of chiropractic "manipulations" are bad. Some might be alright, even if they were to be placebo. Some probably feel nice too, and there's nothing wrong with that imo.
Having said that, I'm not trusting my C1-C7 to someone who goes by "Dr." and hasn't been to med school (let alone do 7 extra years of training to become a neurosurgeon).
It's been 8 months but I love your comment.
Chiropractic cured my hiatal hernia in less than a month when i was down to milk and water, plus also back curvatures and vertabrae forward movement..without that i would be in a wheelchair on a ton of painkillers with side effects and no quality of life whatsoever. Amazing results for me and others ive seen.
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"...as well as working hand in hand every day with JOHN HOPKINS trained..."
This is where you lost me. There's absolutely no way you are educated and think it's not called JOHNS HOPKINS.
To : perspective students of Chiropractic---Young perspective chiropractors face about 7-8 years of college---Average chiropractor earns $ 80,000 per year. Yes, your mother gets to tell her neighbors that their kid is a " Doctor " but the numbers don't work out. Cost of paying money out for tuition ( after your Bachelor's Degree) and income missed for 4 years after Bachelor's degree, $ 80,000 profit taint worth Blood, Sweat & Tears of that additional 4 years.
Chiropractic, naturopathy, homeopathy, crystal healing, energy healing, acupuncture, etc. are all forms of quackery. Be honest.
Jason Briggs k.
They're examples of the power of placebo.
Yeah like the GP ever really helped me.. let's be straight. They're basically drug dealers. And I got nothing against drugs
Exuse me it's not quakery my uncle is a perfesional acupuncturist he studied acupuncture in China and Japan for over 50 years he has a legitimate practice in Italy and he cured my weight problem I was 212.0 pounds before he treated me and after the treatment I'm now 184. 0 pounds
@@princesszeldaprincess447 your weight loss has nothing to do with acupuncture. Weight loss is quite simple - move more, eat healthier and less, rest and repeat.
you were great on arrested development
thank you :)
Wtf lmao
Tobias Fungke
The analrapists?
“ANUSTART” 😂
When I was in chiropractic school over 20 years ago, I had 60 students in my class, but I only trusted 5 of them, because the other 55 were there to get a degree and be called doctors. They did not understand what chiropractic is all about. Chiropractic is about removing interference and allow the body to heal itself. I have had very interesting cases before which were fixed in one or two visits. The cases ranged from a kid who was passing out 4-5 times a day, a lady with a swollen hand which looked like a balloon, women having bladder problems after delivering their babies, gall bladder issues, and someone with a massive lower back disc herniation who was fixed after 2 visits, and has sent me many referrals over the years. Chiropractic in not BS, some chiropractors, like any other professionals are not good at it.
You are the definition of BS itself. So you are claiming that chiropractor can fix anything from bowel symptoms to anything? Yeah, right.
@@honestloez He never said that
@@increasement Well try read it more carefully. If you still cannot find it, just try read it more carefully than before.
"Removing interference and allowing the body to heal itself."
I don't need any additional evidence to know that you are a joke
“Fixed after one or two visits”. Man that’s all it took for them to realize it’s bullshit and go get actual medical treatment lmao
This video gave me even less confidence in Chiropractors.
Nacht Schreck
What will you do when you develop disc hernia?
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshuauhhh go to an actual qualified orthopedic surgeon
Aadithya Narayanan
...uh an "actual qualified" ortho will do what for you?
C. M. Tell me that his pressure on my back with somehow cure by deformed spine while I writhe in agony two hours later
SevenSins could you rephrase your question please?
Well of course the chiropractor is going to say it's legit. Scam artists.
Jason Briggs do you know what pharma even stands for lol hint hint it has nothing to do with anything related diagnosis or physical treatment
Jason Briggs I would go see a osteopathic surgeon about the matter or at the very least a primary care doctor and receive consultation on the matter than someone who gets paid to tell me my shoulders are stiff
@@sevensins4842 the point of Jason’s comment was pointing out how stupid the original comment was.
Here is how chiropractors use psychology dishonestly to make themselves look legit. They literally can borrow whatever terms and research from real medicine and yet keep calling themselves “chiropractors”. When a patient is becoming skeptical they will actually use real concepts in physiology and real spine surgery and the patient will become confused to what extent this chiropractor “knows” his stuff. The problem is the core concept of chiropractors. Look up online where the term “chiropractic” come from and why it is not based on any science.
If these non-doctors claim to be able to help somehow that only they can, then ask yourself, or them, “what is chiropractics?” , “Why aren’t they called just “spine therapist’ or something straightforward?
Not just that, they'll also make you demonstrate (to their favor) "reasons" why you need adjustments in their office (such as not being able to bend a certain way, etc). It's such crap it's unreal. They then convince you that you need arbitrary numbers of adjustments per week, but claim it doesn't matter when you come in for them, you just need x amount per week. It doesn't make any sense because it's total bullshit.
the first chiropractor “learned it from an angel.” i think that’s all you need to know about chiropractors
Chiropractic means done by hand. BTW, I think you are confusing the term Doctor. A biologist, chemist, physicist, or geologist is also a "doctor". PT's call themselves doctors, but do not have physician status. Chiros do have physician status. You are correct, the concepts in modern day chiropractic are borrowed: just like every single science on the planet. That's the way science works. I was taught in school by: biochemist, neurosurgeon, Anatomist PhDs, Microbiologist, etc. If you are talking about research: there is a ton out there about how Chiro can help coming from recognized authorities: Duke University, Harvard University, the World Health Organization, and much more. Why do you think that Chiros are included in health insurances like Medicare? I will accept your point...A lot of Chiros still use salesy/gimmicky methods based on pseudo scientific concepts (heal all disease w/ spinal manipulation) to get patients on care plans. Patients have a tough time knowing if they are going to a Chiro that does this or not. That's why this guy is pushing this evidence-based Chiro movement. You see, he is trying to further the profession and you are thwarting those efforts by your comments. The exact things that you are complaining about, he is trying to change/improve and you are bad-mouthing him for his efforts. That is the irony here.
Real scientific methods don't need the words "evidence based" in front of them.
Nor the word "real".
It does when there’s such a huge stigma out there and when certain professionals practice pseudoscience regardless of what they learned in school
Evidence based is a trademark. What's wrong with that
Liliy White real science... of course it does. Much of the practice in allopathic medicine is NOT evidence based
“Evidence based medicine” is a legitimate meme in all branches of healthcare
You can literally get friends to crack joints for free. You can also get a $10 foam roller; guaranteed back crack.
Irrelevant. Joint cavitation is not the primary goal; it is a mere sound effect.
I went to a chiropractor for low back pain. 6 weeks later, and after 2 treatments per week during that time, I ended up on a neurosurgeon's table. The chiropractor never even billed me and I think just wanted me to disappear and not sue him. I should have been tipped off by all the Christian material and propaganda type brochures etc in his waiting room. It was a scam. REST, stretching, and gentle consistent strengthening exercises are the way to go.
I hope you don’t judge competency of a profession by one practitioner. That’s like going to one dentist that couldn’t help you and judge dentistry.
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua You are right. The one bad apple doesn't mean anything. That's why I'm saying not just the guy I went to was a scam, but the entire "industry" is.
@@1122redbird
What do you know about the “industry “? You have a conspiracy theory about chiropractic?
🤣🤣🤣
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua Yea yea yea blah blah blah.....suit yourself and keep going to the quackopractors. Joe Rogan is a douchebag but he is right about this. But you do whatever you want and whatever you find helps you. The placebo effect it wonderful.
@@1122redbird hundreds of studies disagree with you. The American medical association disagrees with you. Science disagrees with you and millions of patients around the world disagree with you
Facts: The reason he said chiropractic is 98% bs is because he lives in the US where many of the chiropractic schools are subluxation/ philosophy based and not evidence/ science based. Chiropractic has some shady beginnings, but some schools are more objectively evaluating the evidence and don't see chiropractic as a business like most chiropractors in the US. It is a shame that the public gives their money to 'doctors' who tell people they can cure their asthma and diabetes by re-aligning the spine to supply proper nerve innervation to the organ with the problem. That is what they teach at Palmer, the school that the doctor in this video went to. It's a pretty deep rooted issue that can't easily be solved. Patients need to do their research when selecting a chiropractor and if they at any time say the word "subluxation" that should immediately raise a red flag.
What's funny is Palmer is also #1 or #2 in research. They are both the most evidence based and least evidence based lol.
@@Cfergsthebestwhat’s funny is it’s not.
@@user-ky8wx9km5z Palmer has the most published studies of all chiropractic schools. Chiropractic is just BS, but Palmer does have the most research.
@@Cfergsthebest
So if the research goes contrary to your preconceived notions that Chiropractic is BS you are still going to say Chiropractic is BS.
Typical.
@@chrismacdonald4570 I stick with the evidence in that chiropractic only has benefits in treatment of non-specific acute lower back pain.
"Joe said it was 98% bs" "Well I am a Chiropractor" So you're biased is what you're saying...
bahahaaaaaaa
AussieArnold he also has a much better and deeper understanding of what chiropractic care is all about.
You can't say someone is biased based solely off of which side of the argument they're on.
Well like doctors and surgeons and plastic surgery surgeons
There's always gonna be careless doctors, bad doctors, and good doctors and great doctors
So he probably went to a bad chiropractor
There's also different techniques and different chiropractors
Some chiropractors just do a quick pop and charge you
While some examine your history, your bones and temperature and adjust what needs to be adjusted
So it's all about the doctor themselves
Not the practice
@@RUclipsMusic-dn7hg Exactly.
When chiropractors try to explain what they are really doing to your body it sounds so stupid
"Working hand and hand with Johns Hopkins trained neurosurgeons"
Omg 😂😂😂
The reason why chiropractors are recommended in US - because it's a HUGE business. Go outside US - and see what the primary option is - it's not chiropractors - it's usually physical therapy.
Cracking bones doesn't do jack shit longterm - the most beneficial thing chiropractors can do is massage, and discuss exercises to strengthen muscles and correct bad habits and posture - but the adjustments, cracking is total bullshit when it comes to longterm results or cures for chronic issues that require major physical therapy and surgery - you are just wasting time.
I mean people go to see chiro for minor stuff that will get better on it's own given time.
That’s not true. Chiropractic is not a scam
Joe Rogann is known for spreading misinformation
@@jonjonboi3701 oh but 90% of it is pseudo-science.
Please refer to Dr Heidi Haaviks research, amongst others.
In Australia chiropracticors are not allowed to practice in hospitals as they are not real doctors.but have there own training systems and call themselves doctors with out having to do a doctorate
At the hospital where I work (in the US), a chiro would be laughed out of the building if he tried to call himself a doctor there
they have to call themself a doctor of chiropractic
@@homersimpin664
Fortunately society has decided that educational standards, testing and licensing is more relevant than whether some MD finds it funny.
We are licensed as Doctors.
Why? be cause we can back it up with proven hours spent in the classroom. Testing and research.
Personally I have met s few great MDs and have studied their work and would happily refer patients to them.l because they use their brains and training and not what Pfizer or managed care makes them do.
That said the absolute incompetence and laziness I come across OCCASIONALLY from MDs is enough to be glad they don't want me in their hospital. As dirty a soup of Staph Aureus as it is. I'll be happy to plug away with the science and fix their mistakes.
I love Joe Rogan, but I am so happy you did this video because I absolutely believe in chiropractic therapy. My entire family has been with my chiropractor for 18 years now. He is my number one trusted doctor.
Joe shouldn’t have said such horrible things being as influential as he is. I feel every one but especially athletes need a chiropractor as part of their heath team.
Thank you!
Spinal hygiene huh? Got that clean spine! 🤣
So basically you just wasted time proving Joe Rogen even more correct that chiropractic is bs 🙄
youre bs
The amount of bs this guy just said is mind blowing 😂😂🤣🤣
Somehow this man reminds me of are Democratic president White House press secretary Jen Pisaki
most chiropractic training is confined to classrooms with much time spent learning theory, adjustment, and MARKETING.
My take before watching is that I don't think Chiropractic care should be dismissed and it may be right for you, and it may not be, but there are benefits because I am a patient that gets positive results, I'm 59.Thank you.
Honest question. How could a chiropractor help a herniated or buldged disc? Isn’t that like a real injury?
Good question- controlled movement into a joint can help assist the healing process. Also, some chiropractic techniques have been shown to decrease intradiscal pressure temporarily which can also aid the healing process. An adjustment doesn't "pop" a disc back in.
@@Theevidencebasedchiropractor ok so an adjustment would just be part of the process. Not necessarily “the fix”
@@johnswick7108 That is fair to say, yes.
By improving the joint mechanics (manipulation, traction, decompression, stretches, exercises, soft tissue therapy, etc.) the insult/stress to the disc can be relieved. This gives the disc a chance to heal and remodel. We know that discs can do this. In fact, non-contained disc material can be eliminated by macrophages. Discs may heal on their own, but recurrent damage is common and hence why you would want to improve the mechanics. Discs themselves do not have a blood supply. Vessels would create weak spots in the disc. So, instead the body uses diffusion to move materials in and out of the disc. Diffusion only occurs if there is movement of the disc called imbibition. This is the means for disc cells to acquire nutrition and get rid of waste (what every cell in the body needs to heal). So you can see that if the segment is locked and putting stress on the disc, it will simply continue to degenerate. Personally, If I have a patient that has neurological symptoms with MRI confirming a disc issue, I tell them right away that we need to consider a surgical consult if we cannot get improvement (I've got a great neurosurgeon in town that I refer to). It is a very honest and transparent conversation. Almost all of them want to try care with me before entertaining the idea of surgery. I only end up having to refer less than 20% of the time. Sometimes, they end up having surgery a few years later anyways, but that is usually because they stopped doing home rehab and went back to bad habits. This is another reason why PT can help and why we do this at my clinic. That is the dead honest truth. Consider this... Imaging results are not strongly correlated to symptoms (hard to believe!). You can have a person with no symptoms and find a whopper of a herniated disc. On the other hand, you can have patients with spinal pain, radiation, and numbness and find nothing on MRI or CT. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6102824/. This is frustrating for doctors and patients alike. I have discussed this in depth with several radiologists (Yes, I refer out for MRI and sometimes discuss the results with the radiologist). Yes, PT does help. However, a Chiro has some additional tools, especially the adjustment that restores position and movement of an abnormal vertebral segment. I've had many patients come to me after they have tried physical therapy without success, then get better at my clinic. There is nothing wrong with PT (It's great!), but sometimes you just have to have someone get in there physically and manipulate that spinal segment. Beware, stronger manipulations can make matters worse. Methods such as flexion-distraction, mobilization, or non-rotary HVLA maneuvers are usually the best way to start. I have had several patients with neuro symptoms resolve, even when they were persisting for over a decade. Then again, I'm not a 5-minute doc. Most my disc patients spend at least 30 minutes in the clinic...sometimes an hour. You might try to find a multidiscipline clinic with Chiro, PT, MD or NP. Sometimes you can find a doc that is both Chiro/PT or Chiro/MD. It's more and more common these days. Many Chiros are moving to this multi-modal model and the clinics that offer a variety of treatment methods seem to get better results.
Actually most doctors recommend physical therapy first before chiropractic care Doc.
GMONEY B they also recommended antibiotics before anything else
Yes because physical therapy is medical based.
He makes two pathetic arguments as to why chiropratics isn’t BS.
1st Argument (1.20-2.00mins) You say Chiropractors are the best health care professionals for preventative maintenance of the spin - NO Physical therapists are the best. Everything Chiropractors say in order to prevent spine problems are to do with physical exercise and physical therapists are better trained at physical therapy than chiropractors so there’s no need to see a chiropractor for preventing spine injury’s, instead see a PHYSICAL THERAPIST!!
2nd Argument (2.43-3.25mins) High profile doctors and media say that Chiropractic Adjustments is the best therapy - NO this is called appeal to authority and it’s a logical fallacy.
Lol you’re not getting on the podcast buddy
Jason Briggs like I said, you can’t read...
@@shannonossman3473 Lol you're not making sense buddy.
Chiropractors helped me not have to get spinal surgery. I spent 31 days in a hospital with a herniated L5 S1. Dr's could only say that surgery wasn't advised. A nurse finally gave me a few stretches where I could sit up without extreme pain. As soon as I got out, I started getting adjustments 3 times a week. In 3 weeks I was totally out of pain. Joe, you don't know squat.
You've got to be kidding. "UNIVERSALLY promoted and stood behind as the PRIMARY treatment option"?
Excuse me but therapeutic exercise along with neuromuscular reeducation, to increase strength, improve flexibility, while promoting lumbar stabilization and normalization of joint arthrokinematics followed by patient education to improve posture, and biomechanics/ergonomics when performing functional activities, ALL fall under the scope of practice for physical therapists. Joe alluded to the fact that chiropractors do some good. Unfortunately, they do their best work when there actually performing physical therapy. I understand that chiropractic manipulation can trigger the release of endorphins causing immediate, short-term symptomatic improvement, but can you please explain how chiropractic spinal manipulation provides a long-term solution for problems like herniated discs?
Listen enomophins can only do do much ask people who go to good chiropractors the benefits last for ever
Unfortunately it’s true. It’s promoted by chiropractors. In Australia they are trying to replace GPs. I can’t imagine what they are even thinking. I think they really lost their marbles. Could you imagine if you had to go first to chiropractor to get a referral for a specialty. I can imagine the referral. Patient had lumbar subluxation that has been aligned for. Patient has swollen belly (ascites) pls treat ty
Ed Wallace thank you!
Or things like (chronic) allergies...haha
Ed Wallace Anyone ever mention that vast majority of Disc herniations are self-resolving? Making symptomatic relief during resolution much more compelling than unnecessary surgery but if you want to get cut on be my guest. This is from the Journal of Clinical Spine Surgery this June (2019)
Link:
journals.lww.com/jspinaldisorders/Abstract/2019/06000/
Cost-utility Analysis for Recurrent Lumbar Disc Herniation
Conservative Treatment Versus Discectomy Versus Discectomy With Fusion
Conclusions: This cost-utility analysis showed that conservative treatment is more cost-effective than discectomy in patients with lumbar disc herniation recurrence.
Take care.
This guy said chiro’s are the best medical professionals to talk to... they are not medical professionals. Lol
Look up definition of professional.
@@agoogleuser6902 he was referring about the word “medical”. Not “professional”. You don’t need to be doing real stuff to be a professional, all you need is dumb people paying you for BS.
@@agoogleuser6902 I think his argument was more based on the word medical.
@@agoogleuser6902 Street drug dealers are medical professionals if you want go that route.
You are not a doctor, sit down please.. I've spent 4 years in medical school and I'm not even close to finishing
Wish you the best in your professional education Jim!
He is a doctor. He's a licensed doctor of Chiropractic and had to take 4 national boards to get his license. He has legal authority to order any test and diagnose. He'll kick your butt getting results for most chronic conditions and the best one, he'll do it without drugs.
Most of Your chronic spine pain patients whom you won't know what to do to get rid of them for years, he'll get them pain free in 3 days to 6 weeks. He'll just tell you, you're welcome!
Chiropractors are not part of mainstream medicine in most countries. They are not Doctors ans they can be a danger to people who think that they are.
dude pls... shut the fuck up until you have any idea what you talking about. i could make a doctor in law, social studies, physics etc.
Keep an open mind. I've been an MD in private practice for 22 years and I see patients get good results with a reputable chiropractor. You're young and have a lot to learn - hopefully you'll learn for the rest of your life so don't be too quick to judge the abilities of a good chiropractor. I've been corrected by my own patients when I first told then that they are not doctors or have nothing to offer. They got results which, unfortunately, proved me wrong early in my medical career. Good luck in your studies and keep an open mind when treating your future patients.
If you leave a chiro office not understanding what the purpose of the treatment is or how/why it can help then your chiro didn't do their job properly. Technically speaking if your chiro didn't explain what they where going to do and why they are going to do it and what the risks associated with the treatment are then they do not have informed consent from you to provide that treatment. That would be considered professional misconduct in most jurisdictions in North America.
Exactly the same as medical doctors, surgeons, Legal practitioners, etc.
Summarising evrything i gathered from top MDs and chiropractors :-
- You mostly dont require a chiropractor at all times.
- Chiropracty is not at all evidence based, and mostly aim to make small adjustments to remove the pain and not the cause of the pain.
- with time some of the issues/pain come back which makes people go to the chiropractors/qualified doctors again. Chiropracty does not treat the cause, its like a painkiller numbing the pain for a certain time.
- in most cases, chiropractors make adjustment to make you feel better for a short time and then tell you to do physiotherapy or physical ecercise which actually helps you in the long run. Any doctor would have recommended the same hence the only benefit chiropractor is bringing is making an adjustment to possibly reduce the pain for a short time. This can however not work at times.
- if physical exercises and conditioning helps you in the long run then you really dont need a chriopractor, rather a physio would be best.
Why are chiros the best to teach "spinal hygiene" and core strength? REFERENCE NEEDED for the claim that chiropractic adjustments are the best treatment for a bulging disc.
Lol. No evidence was provided
I did some light digging in the spinal journal. I found that in 2004 a study showed people felt less pain after "adjustments". Another article cited similar result in 2011. All that is OLD news and not showing us that chiropractic voodoo actually fixes anything. Medicine changes every year and new studies and methods are always being practiced. I'd like to see a peer reviewed article that says chiropractic voodoo fixed a medical condition in the past 4 years.
@@shannonossman3473 Can you show these studies you are referring to? I'm genuinely curious
Isnt chiropractice about pain management instead of fixing?
It definitely says go to a physical therapist for a herniated disk. John hopkins lists several treatments a chiropractor isnt one of them .
You didn’t address the main issues brought up in the Joe Rogan video, namely the claim that chiropractic adjustment can heal anything from autism to cancer.
I’m a young physician and have only been qualified a short time but I had to complete 8 years of further education and training before I was recognised as a board certified medical doctor here in the U.K. I had to complete more exams and observed modular examinations than an astronaut does before NASA send them into space. *We are medical professionals and we work our gluteus maximae to get there!* Chiropractors are not.
Ginger Ninja THANK YOU!!! These “doctors” are dull.
I bet chiropractors know more about anatomy than you do, you just prescribe pills and pat people's back dont think you're better you dont really fix anything you tell people they're sick and give them pills that's it. You heal 0%
@@Isaac_0630 unless youve been through med school you dont know whats taught,its very rigorous and evidence based ,entirely unlike many chiropractic schools.I can assure you doctors know sufficient anatomy and also know that most back pain goes away by itself with no treatment so pain meds,short term rest and then keeping active is enough in most cases.I am a physician associate but was previously a physical therapist who taugth some courses at a chiropractic college.The problem with conventional medicine is political/economical ,the docs arent given enough time to consult,its always pressure from management to see more patients.
@@Isaac_0630 says a chiropractor no doubt. Here’s one, you twerps actually killed on of our pts. Life College, Marietta, 1990. You adjusted a ruptured appendix for a week with a fever present. The pt. died from acute peritonitis, not to be confused with the second pt, who lived. The fact is Kennestone and Cobb General openly warn orthopedic pts about chiropractic through their own clinics. I refuse to call the Dr. Plus, now they are self appointed experts on nutrition, weight training, internal medicine, ugh, smh……snake oil salesmen…..
If chiro was legit, you wouldn’t only hear chiros try to defend it as a medical science.
If chiro was legit you wouldnt hear chiros telling people it is in fact legit? Huh?
@@Vital_form real doctors would be defending it as well
I’ve never been to a doctor who hasn’t advocated for appropriate amounts of strength, flexibility, and cardio exercise. Your first point is wrong. This kind of preventative maintenance is exactly what primary care is about.
IdFightMyDad
And did he help you become all those? Or are you as stiff as a board?
@@shannonossman3473 What advice did I give? I said these things being advocated for in this video are advocated for by primary care doctors. That's not advice. It's a statement of fact. If you don't think they are good advice, then why would it be good advice when the chiropractor tells you to do it? I also never claimed to be a doctor, but if you go to a doctor and you ask them about being generally more healthy, these are the things they will talk about. Also, you don't get a certificate when you graduate from medical school. You get a diploma. Would you like a picture of my wife's medical school diploma? Would that make you think I knew what I was talking about?
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua I'm not stiff as a board. Your presence has made me very rubbery.
IdFightMyDad
Don't blame your rubberyness on me man, you're responsible for your own rub
Somehow this clown reminds me of Jen Pisaki.
Chiro I saw mentioned nothing about any other ways to address the issues like stretching, strengthening and posture. Every client was treated exactly the same way regardless of symptoms with claims of amazing outcomes from curing deafness to mental disability. Not sure why/how this would work by “popping” every person’s spine the same way regardless of injury.
Does anyone know why chiropractors focus on the spine?
@@Galactivation528 Check out the Wikipedia article on D.D. Palmer, founder of chiropractic. Essentially, he thought that any part of the body that was ailing lacked a sufficient "nerve supply". This he called a "spinal misalignment", or "subluxation". He thought if you "realign" the spine you'd cure the disease. "A subluxated vertebra ... is the cause of 95 percent of all diseases ... The other five percent is caused by displaced joints other than those of the vertebral column."
When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail
Where can I find independent studies on the benefits of chiropractic care?
PubMed
Your dreams
A chiropractor defends chiropractic.
Proper 'spinal hygiene'? Is there a peer-evaluated study as to appropriate hygiene?
This is no different than big tobacco claiming the nicotine isn't addictive because of the lack of research data.
Good thing I'm sitting down.
diamondjoe1109
So what will you do when your neck or back pain becomes debilitating?
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua Uh, go to a real doctor.
diamondjoe1109
Yeah good luck. Their only options are pain meds, surgery and uhh... oh that’s all. Oh and a sheet of do it 3 yourself exercises and a back brace. Good luck with that. Don't be surprised if the "real doctor" sends you to a chiropractor
@@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua yeah, along with peer evaluated studies and statistics. Chiropractic is nothing short of alchemy, to the tune of billions. Big Pharma? What about Big Chiro? You stay on and never get off...
diamondjoe1109
What a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense! Studies show how inferiorly and dangerous pharmaceuticals are to ease symptoms yet they continue to be prescribed in spite of evidence against. What peer reviewed journal to support drug treatment? Pharmaceutical drugs get pushed with short term results. That’s why there’s lawsuits continuously for several drugs that injure people and then get pulled of the market.
What « big chiropractic »? Please, it’s one profession that focuses on health improvement. Check out dr Craig Liebenson, Dr Datis Kharrazian, just a couple of many doctors who are leading the way in conservative management of chronic conditions before you keep spewing out more unsubstantiated claims.
Chiropractors love all that Crossfit injury money.
I had whiplash 40 years ago. I was 18 years old and 8 months pregnant. I was rear ended in a car accident. Hurt for a year. Went to a chiropractor and he told me what was wrong and adjusted me. Never hurt again, never. One adjustment and pain was gone. I was athletic and young. Maybe others need more help after years of abuse but I was young. Saved my life.
Thank you for the positive feedback!
"Umm. . . Joe Rogan was correct, but I can't say that because it would hurt my scam practice"
I just called my wife's chiropractor a chiro-quack-tor to his face...
Chiropractic medicine is such a scam. Went to one after a car accident and they insisted I keep coming until the insurance company stopped paying. Did nothing. Losers.
Hey loser not all chiropractors and people are the same. Without them I would be in a wheelchair, wow you're duh.
People just Ride joes nuts so bad,I am a huge Joe Rogan fan. I’ve listened to everyone of his podcast for the last three years because I listen to them while I work but I just left the chiropractor 30 minutes ago and it was single-handedly one of the best experiences I’ve ever had and I feel better than I have felt in the last 10 years I have been dealing with this pain. Moral of the story you can’t take everybody’s advice wholeheartedly. Sometimes you have to see for yourself.
Glad to hear it!
“Proper spinal hygiene” LOL
Somehow this man reminds me of White House press Secretary Jen Pisaki...
Yea, spinal hygiene, you've never pulled off an MK fatality on your spine, rip ut out and give it a shower
Wash your spine
Snake oil salesmen 😂😂
They sell back-cracks. What a rip-off.
That’s literally what I’ve been calling them for years 😂
@@shannonossman3473 no bot, look up what a snake oil salesman is 🤦🏽♂️
If you're going to respond and try to disprove Joe Rogan, you need to bring in someone that is not a chiropractor to give you credibility. Doing what you are doing only creates more distrust as you profit from it. If it is legitimate, bring in different types of doctors to side with you.
Exactly. This video only reinforced the scam.
This isn't about sides. There is actual evidence vs another person's anecdote. I've seen Chiros offer lavender and rose water claiming it had preventative effects. Flavored water...
@@Upsideround then you haven’t gone to an licensed one
@@cadisetramadiraizel8710 I'm not dumb enough to believe something that isn't based on any science at all. You don't know the history of chiro nonsense. keep your simple mind out of rational conversations.
@@Upsideround Chiropractic treatment works. Ask the hundreds of millions of people who’ve gotten treated by an true chiropractor.
I have had lots of back pains and problems and have never once been to a chiropractor. Over time my back heals itself. Ii saw my mom go to a chiropractor after she threw out her back. She walked into the chiropractor’s office, she wattled out and sat in the car and cried because the pain was worse than when she went in. She found relief through physical therapy.
Unfortunately there are classes of chiropractors, because the system of education and training have historically lacked. The problem is some chiros simply suck at diagnosis. However others are excellent clinicians. Some within the profession are working to change bring up the standards. Even a condition such as disc herniation cannot be generalized. It must exist on a case-by-case basis (WHERE is the herniation? Is it central? Lateral recess? Neuralcanal? How large is it? Is it acute, chronic, or acute aggravation superimposing chronic? What is the patient's history? What are the patient's flags/risk factors? What are the patient's comorbidities? Are there any superimposing or underlying conditions? Has the patient been screened for any of these potential complicating factors? These types of questions must be answered prior to treatment.)
Even as a Chiropractor, I avoid a chiro who always pushes treament > diagnosis. I have discovered everything from fracture to bone cancer to spinal cord compression because I DIAGNOSE FIRST, treat second.
The moron who treated Rogan was just that. No responsible doc would treat a patient beyond 2-4 weeks without escalating care d/t nonresponse, which means he did not adequately diagnose.
I always fight the damn insurance companies on their 'no MRIs' bullcrap, if indeed MRI is indicated. A good doc has to advocate for their patients to arrive at an accurate diagnosis, prognosis, treatment plan.
Well said!
And where on the body do you push to cure deafness?
Out of 8 doctors I have had for my back, not one suggested Chiropractor. I asked all of them about it, they all said, stay away or you will make your problem worse. I did go to one chiropractor before doctor number 2. Doctor number 2 said I would have advised you against it. I have not had insurance that covered chiropractor care until this year, but it has to be recommended by doctor.
Competitors salivating over your pocketbook
Medical doctors usually refer people to physical therapists (physio's). You will find physical therapists on staff at all hospitals--you'll never find a chiropractor on staff at any hospital.
@@Tim_ra I think you should do just a little research before spreading misinformation. There’s actually many chiropractors who do work at hospitals.
Thank for posting this useless video, where you don't contest anything Joe Rogan said. It makes Joe's comments even better. Watch Joe's video and contest all the items he mentions.
Like an article from an analytical chemist (not a journalist) that at no point refers to any scientific research and acts to spew generalisms to waft towards her own obvious opinion. Pro
Hour long discussion between him and a Chiro that runs a podcast called The Movement Fix.
themovementfix.com/57-chiropractors-arent-bs-rebuttal-joe-rogans-podcast-w-jeff-langmaid/
He did by saying he is a science based chiro. Why would he address the obvious BS he doesn't support either. What he did is confirm where Joe was right. But obviously that doesn't matter to you because what Joe says is gospel anyway, right?
Brett Bolin lmao. try harder you delusional moron.
fetB nah joe just pointed out obvious things about chiroquacks. with an actual scientist there.
are you a bit dumb ?
Traditional Chiropractors are USELESS. Rather, go to a Chiropractor specializing in BIO- PHYSICS. And DON'T GO either to a conventional Physical Therapist, rather look a one who did the ONE80 PHYSICAL THERAPY SYSTEM.
That's exactly what physical therapy and kinetotheraphy is doing and they are not calling themselves fucking "doctor".
Doctor of Physical Therapy. It's a real title...
I've heard of good chiropractors talking about healthy movement and biomechanics, but mine have never said anything about that to me. My physical therapists have done a lot of that every single time, even my physician tried to mention things like that
It's because its part of the physician's and PT's goal to educate their patient's musculoskeletal problem so they better understand how to take care.of themselves. Can't say the same about chiropractors. To chiros its crack your back = money.
i have so many questions...
would a deaf person still get relief without hearing the crack?
is the crack sound an illusion?
are chiropractors a scam?
is the endorphin release necessary?
what happens after the release, any benefits?
or just a high, that food feelin that makes you believe you've been relieved?
do chiropractors do certain adjustments to make u come back again? or the high feeling to make u come back again? endorphin release withdraw? lol
I'm hearing a lot of claims and not a lot of evidence
Nothing y’all do is evidence based because you only review yourselves, and call yourselves Doctors without MD and PhD 🤢
There are havard medicine research on this. So your wrong. Still there's plenty nonsense too.
I’m on the fence about seeing a chiropractor I hear once you start seeing them they do something to you that you have to constantly see them to feel better but on the other hand, I see all these people getting relief from chiropractors, and I am someone who suffers from tension, headaches and TMJ back pain tension in general and I would like to try it but I hear all these different things
seriously don't, go to a physiotherapist instead, if you have head aches, it has most likely to do with your life style, diet and amount of sleep you get. There might also be some tension in your neck muscles with can cause it.
@@Demise09732 ohh definitely
I was about 30 and working out everyday. One day I couldn't turn my head to the left. The gym had a chiro so I popped in.
He starts with range of motion stretches and massage.
"You have a lot of lactic acid build up. What kind of workouts are you doing?"
I was doing nothing but hitting the heavy bag.
"You're a righty?"
I was.
"Tucking your chin to the shoulder is doing this. You could counter it by switching to lefty half the time."
After about 20 minutes he does the neck crack and I hear an explosion of pops, and burst out laughing from the relief.
He also showed me that my workout put my hips off center, so one foot was higher than the other, and adjusted my hips, too, and stretched me out on the table some more.
Having said this: this man is a true gem. No one else has ever provided this kind of care that I've seen.
I see him 2-3x a year, and always feel terrific for it.
@@Demise09732
Never heard of a physiotherapist. I have a very good chiropractor who does about 30 minutes of massage and stretching before the cracking, so wouldn't ditch him, but the physio sounds good.
I went to Chiropractors since 77 until 2020 a long time. I worked Teamster labor jobs figured this would help. Seemed to keep me out of injury but am not sure. Finally quit going, since the new school Chiropractors tried to sell me everything from vitamins to water bed sessions for 20 bucks. Turned me off that was it. Bottom line pain free not going now.
I'm on my way to my chiropractor appointment right now.
I was listening to joe Rogan podcast right before this video.
I got into a car accident at the end of April 2021. I was also shot in the lower back with a 38 cal. in 94 when I was a kid. I didn't know about the history of it and I gotta say it took me by surprise. That said. I know how I feel once I leave my dudes office. My guy never tries to sell my anything. Nor does he push crazy ass therapy on me. I just want people to know that if they were to look into the medical field as a whole back then they'd find that there was bullshit throughout.
I'd advise or recommend trying a chiropractor before ever taking opioids or any other pain killer.
Just make sure you research the chiropractor before just blindly choosing one as you would with any medical professional.
Also find a good Pettibon chiro if your condition is serious and you havent been getting results elsewhere.
So the whole of evidence based medicine was bs “back then”?? Wow ok
@@SD-ip2wb obviously not all medicine. Just regarding the chiropractors field.
Pseudoscience, people get in wheelchair cuz chiro charlatans.
@@zm5856 absolutely they do. That's a good reason to find one that comes highly recommended and has impeccable credentials. It is our responsibility to checkout who we're going to before just blindly trusting someone because it says MD or PHD after their name.
Joe has aired many episodes critical of Chiropractic, yet never once had a chiropractor on the show to offer counterpoint or debate. But I don't regard Joe or his show as a formal, proper venue to discuss serious topics. Maybe if you are a stoner.
From the national health web page:
Numerous deaths have occurred after chiropractic manipulations. The risks of this treatment by far outweigh its benefit.
*Risk outweighs benefit* any doctor will tell you to not go through with these types of procedures. Keyword is doctor, chiropractor are snake oil/conmen
As a Medical Doctor I can absolutely reply that a good chiropractor is worth their weight in gold. Yes, there are some bad professionals in any field. Sounds like Joe went to a bad one if it took a full year to decide to get an MRI. If you believe that good allied health professionals, like reputable chiropractors are not doctors and have nothing to offer, your egos or bias may be clouding your judgement. I've seen many medical providers fail their patients by telling them that chiropractors "cannot help" or that they are "not doctors" or have "nothing to offer" When these same patients seek out chiropractic (against their MD's advice) and get better results than allopathic treatments have provided them they usually see the MD as someone who knows little to nothing about alternative care. I refer to a few reputable chiropractors when medically appropriate. I've seen many MD's "eat crow" when, after insulting chiropractic, being told by the patient that the care did in fact help them. Pharmaceutical companies have a very big say in what is taught in medical schools and have millions to use for marketing. The pharmaceutical companies cannot control chiropractic, it gets results and is growing. Sorry, but patients are not going to continue to spend money on something that doesn't work. It is getting more popular and accepted every year. Think twice before your MD shoots down allied health care professionals, including a REPUTABLE chiropractor, without a valid reason. I get adjusted and it helped me (any my patients) just as much, if not more than, traditional allopathic care with most musculoskeletal issues.
Really appreciate your comment Dr. Riley- thank you!
Your second account. sad man..
Which is pretty bad since the difference between a good and a bad chiro is whether you end up in a wheelchair or in a morgue. Quacks used to be tarred, feathered and driven out of the state. We should return to these practices.
Hard to take this comment seriously when it's just a photo and someone typing they're a doctor.
Even climate change has a few scientists that don't believe it. No idea where you are and where you're licensed, but I would NEVER see you if you really are a doctor if you think this pseudoscience is actually worth something.
I'm studying fysiotherapy right now in Sweden, and so far they haven't even mentioned chiropractic care as a valid option for anything really. And absolutely not as a first treatment for a disc herniation, perhaps as a third option.
I have never ever heard of a physician refer somebody to a chiropractor instead of physical therapy. Where are you getting all this info about chiropractic being the top choice for everything?
Referrals to chiropractors happen every day from medical doctors. Physical therapy can also be a good option based upon the patient presentation.
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch Anti-depressants to treat pain is pretty effective and is evidence based.
Exercises are the answer. This has been proven for centuries. Adjustments of the spine and ribs can help early on…they do aid with pain reduction but does nothing to kerp it away. The problem lies with the type of exercise, how much reps, sets, hold time , amount of effort, is pain ok with exercise, etc.
Movement is the cure. And you sometimes need a coach to assist you and progress you.
I’m speaking with 30 years of experience as a physical therapist who also does manipulations. Progressive exercise has a cumulative effect, requires effort and most people aren’t interested, until they’re dying in pain.
You didn't state a single reason why what your doing helps someone feel better at all
My primary care doc sent me to a Chiropractor for my neck pain, and that’s the only treatment that gave me relief!
sorry, if you have any form of musculoskeletal issues, which include spinal injuries, your doctor is going to recommend an orthopedist not a chiropractor
edit: i work in transport ems and never have i ever brought a patient with back issues to a chiropractor
My doctor recommended me to a ciropractor I trust my doctor is doing right what's wrong with a ciropractor that you won't recommend the patient who has back problems to a chiropractor? Being out of aliment is a real thing
I have had several MD DO’s refer to me as a chiropractor