I was surprised at how much more refined the new GS1250 is over my (now former) 2013 GS1200. The GS1250 gearbox, for example, is an immense improvement over the 1200. The upgrades are such that I went out and bought a 1250. As you say, comparing the Multistrada to a 2013 GS really isn’t a fair comparison. And the GS1250 is cheaper too!
Hi Andy I've enjoyed your comparison video, for me personally the reason I'm on my third big GS is that shaft drive. I've had the 1200 GS, then a 1250 GS ADV, which I then changed for the same bike but the lower Chassis, even though I'm 5'-10" tall with a 33 inside leg I prefer to flat foot with a slightly bent knee. I've tried the V4 Multistrada and agree it's a brilliant bike, I agree also that blind spot monitoring is a very good thing to have without doubt. But after years of doing chain maintenance, and I was always over the top with it. to go on tour and not having to think of checking the chain and the crud if you have installed an oiler I do not miss one bit. It will most likely sound feeble but for me it keeps me on the amazing GS.
I finally had a ride on the Multistrada V4S and found the only short comings in my opinion was the motor really needs to be in the 6-8K range to feel normal, below that I was finding only on start out that the bike was not as smooth as you would expect unless you get the rev up into the happy range as stated before. Otherwise once rolling it is a mile muncher and can just cruise at 90 plus with no vibration or strain on the engine and the display in person is quite big, bright, and very nice.
Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare the GS with the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S (NOT R) with the full Tech Pack. Having had a string of GSs and RTs for 15 years and loving them all, I swapped to the KTM last year and certainly BMW will have to do something radical to the GS for me to contemplate going back. Why? The KTM has one thing the BMW is lacking - Grin Factor.
And masses of instability at high speeds ! Had 6 1290’s awesome but riding hard but in the same league as the gs imo . Gone back to a 1250 gs name already down for the new 1300 next year .
There's a lot more choice than just these two of course. People need to do their homework and choose what's best for them as I don't believe there's a "best" bike. 👍
Another great review. Last July I swapped back to a new GS; the R1250GS. I've had the 1150 and 1200 in the past and then strayed to a K1300R (smile) and then a R1200RS. I also have a G310GS for light weight fun. I'd love to own a Ducati (no room in the garage for another bike). Anyway both bike are great, whichever you go for ride it and enjoy.
Interesting observations, I've had two GS's including an 1150 GSA and a 1200 GSA and liked both of them, the only reason I never bought a 1250 GSA was everybody seems to have one, I've also had 4 Multistrada's including an 1000DS an 1100S a 1200S and my current 17 plate 1200 Enduro (which I love) I looked at the Multistrada V4 S but decided at 25K + it was way to expensive and didn't offer me anything over and above the 1200 Enduro I already have, if I did replace my 1200 Enduro then I'd probably go for a KTM 1290 Super Adventure R over the V4S and save myself the best part of 10K .
Funny that you say that Ian. I just purchased a 2022 as well a few weeks ago and Andy’s reviews were certainly influential. Not sure if it was the commentary or the gorgeous scenery in the videos that swayed me! The real deciding factor for me was the versatility of the bike. Coming from a Harley, I appreciate the 250lbs lighter gs, great suspension and overall better comfort. The Multri reviews repeatedly addressed the bikes urgency to want to go and go fast. Not safe or practical for me. Was an easy decision in the end. My brother rides a sport bike and desperately wanted me to get the Multistrada! Ride safe and good luck with the new ride.
@@thomastoochal2133 thanks, I hope you like your new bike, I was reluctant to admit how great it rides after I picked it up, I didn't want to admit that all the hype over the years was right!! But it is!! I have a Triumph Scrambler 1200XE that I love but it now feels very agricultural. I am holding Andy and his videos entirely responsible for my actions LOL. I have a 4k mile euro tour in May I think the GSA is the perfect tool for the job, just need to start booking accommodation for that tour to the arctic circle that was on the channel as well !! Ride safe and enjoy the new bike !!
I fully understand TMF. I feel sorry for people who need to have the latest bikes/phones/cars/etc... I ride a 2010 R1200R and I don't think there is another bike current in existence that would tempt me out of that brute. It is all the bike I need and more... I know it inside/out, I've put all the toys and details I wanted and I feel great joy keeping it in good working order. I intend to do a couple more modifications and keep it for at least 8 more years. "Only when a man knows that enough is enough will he ever truly have enough."
I just bought a BMW GSA..simple reason I don’t need a sports bike in Adventure clothes..but I love all bikes & the simple fact is what ever suits you sir😄
The Ducati is beautiful compared to the GS. If I was in the market for an adventure bike I would also test the KTM Super Adventure and the new Tiger 1200 (when available)
I recently rode the new Ducati multistrada V2 , very nice, but then I rode the BMW GS1250 and was simply blown away with all that it does. It looks like my 2017 Africa Twin will be replaced with the GS very soon. All these bikes are simply very good and some will love the GS and some will love the V4, whichever road you take, it's all about motorcycling enjoyment .
The V2 is lovely, and I think is the best looking of them all with the new paint scheme…… but I just found I had to work it harder on hills, or with a pillion, which made the engine feel harsh.
Enjoyed that review. I rode the 1250GS and the V4s back to back before making a decision which to go for. The GS is a superb bike, and very “calming” to ride, but I found it asthmatic when overtaking on faster, flowing roads, and found that it felt it needed another gear when cruising at 80 in top. The standard wind protection was equally disappointing and noisy on both bikes. The Ducati economy could be helped by a taller 6th too, and it certainly has the torque to cope with a taller 6th, just to drop the revs by 500 or 1000 rpm on a long cruise, and to reduce that buzz they both have at 75/85 mph. Do they have a lower 6th just so that it will rev out for max speed? I could happily go without that in favour of a more relaxing, economical top. Also wondered which Mrs Flyer preferred as a pillion? You can play with the settings to get more sense of torque on pulling away. Anyway, in the end, the Ducati felt more sense of “occasion” to get on, seemed more capable all round, more planted on the twisties, had far better safety technology, and Mrs Price preferred it as a pillion, with absolutely no downsides compared to the GS. Add the full akro pipe and weirdly the fuel economy improves a bit, and suddenly the sense of occasion jumps up yet another notch.
@@tomtraynor5384 I think if I was buying today, then I’d buy the Pikes Peak too. The V4s is superb but I’d still wish for the ohlins bling and the single side swinger. That paint scheme also looks great. I live in the south east of France, and both bikes are perfect for the fast mountain roads, whereas the GS just felt a bit reluctant to be pushed. The only question marks on the pikes peak for me are that I wish it left the white panel without a number 1 in it, and that I’d have to spend a bit more money to get the extras that came included on the V4s (I went for the full). That beautiful red rear seat design has to be lost if you want to give your pillion a warm butt. It’s probably not enough to make me change the V4s, but if I didn’t already have it, the bling of the pikes peak would win me over. Of course the full akro pipe is a big plus to both bikes, but if you have big feet, and often ride on the balls of your feet, rather than resting the arch on your pegs, then you will sometimes feel the full akro heat shield touching the rear of your boot. It’s not hot nor problematic though.
The fueling-on-a-tour was why I didn't go Ducati- I went KTM as it has an easy 260+ mile range. Interestingly the KTM indicator switch suffers the same as you mention on the Ducati.
I went from a GS1200 to the Multi V4S. I'm sure the newer GS1250 is an awesome bike but I'm really loving the Muilti V4S. It's so much more fun for me at least and still very comfortable. No doubt they are both great bikes at the top of their game.
I’m closing in on a year with my 2021 Multi V4. I do love the top box, very handy! I did not buy it for range or gas mileage, so no problems for me there, and the performance is right where I want it. I have found that the right side pannier is quite a bit smaller than the previous ones, so a few little niggles, but nothing to make me regret the upgrade from my 2018 MS 1260S.
Great video and review. I drive a Ducati Scrambler 1100 today and have been looking at the Multi. I am 50+ and a fairly large old guy, like a comfortable bike, but don't mind the extra spice of a Ducati.
Andy, my money is on the next GS. BMW will never let Ducati one-up them. The boxer twin, in my opinion, is the best motorcycle engine for “our” type of riding. Plus there is the low slung weight. I love V4’s. My VFR 1200x was great but drank gas as well. I think you are doing the right thing by waiting. Oh, shaft drive!
After getting a S1000XR in January last year I was initially regretful when I saw the new V4 coming out a few months afterwards (the one local dealer had already told me there would be no 1260's coming in). Thank goodness the fuel economy is terrible though, that made me feel a lot better. Seriously though, why is fuel economy so low down on the list of priorities? I suppose the fact I bought S1000XR shows buyers don't really care too much either.
Never ridden a Multi Strata, but would the Vtwin be a good contender? Lighter, less thirsty, mire than fast enough, cheaper. A couple of my touring mates love them. Choices, choices 👌 Happy travels 👍
Great review as always, I desperately wanted the R1250GS Adventure, test rode the GSA and V4S back to back, both great bikes, ended up buying the V4S and have absolutely no regrets, its a fantastic machine...I felt that at 53 I was far too young to buy the GSA, to be honest I found it a bit dull and dated in comparison to the Ducati...but when/if I grow up I will most likely have a GSA...btw no need to go into the menu to set the heated grips, just push the button (update maybe ?)
Thanks for your views, TMF. Interesting to see your views on the GS vs MultiS vs Triumph Tiger 1200...And just where the big Triumph would fit. Cheers.
The ideal is to have both as they are in the same category but quite different in terms of engine and feeling....My experience with ducati brought me to conclude that they are super excellent great second bikes or bikes that you do not use a lot, so in case you can have only one the Gs 1250 is the one .....viva la moto!!
@@MemoryLaneCinema the MS is very much a Ducati, regardless of engine and swing arm. It's like saying the new Panigale isn't a Ducati because it's a V4.
Great review . I'm similar view I have 2014 multistrada I've test rode the new one obviously different engine characteristics, but not enough of a jump for me to fork out the massive wedge on..
I’ve ridden the 1250gs and multi back to back and both are brilliant bikes. I chose the gs because it is a better bike for everyday use. The gs gearbox isn’t as refined as the Ducati’s but you don’t have to go up and down it as much because it’s more torquey which means you can concentrate on riding rather than making sure you are in the right gear. The Ducati is certainly nicer to look at but then you can’t look at it when your riding it! I found the toggle switch on the Ducati difficult to use and the menus hard work to navigate through but I’ve no doubt in time I’d have got used to it. Funnily enough both bikes had Akrapovics on but the beemer sounded louder and better especially with the pops and bangs on the overrun. Both brilliant bikes but it’s the BM for me.
I love both bikes and also the KTM 1290 but what keeps me on a GS is the low end torque and the fuel economy. Pulling away from a stop is so smooth and linear with the power deliver on my 2014 GS and I routinely average over 50mpg. I absolutely love the looks of the Ducati Multistrada and maybe down the road I'll add one to my garage but the BMW will probably only be replaced by another GS.
Andy I completely agree, the GS is such a complete all rounder. Yes there are other bikes out there, if you want speed or tech or something else. But thr BMW ticks my box right now. Will be interesting to see the next generation of GS
Yes I'm really looking forward to seeing the new 1300/1400 - I must say I'm a bit underwelmed by the spy shots to date though - the test mule looks like daffy Duck!! I only hope that changes.....
I have a 2021 BMW R1250 RS and its a keeper for touring and sporty feeling. Less plastics more billet especially with the 719 package. I am considering adding a V4S however to replace another bike and feel it would be complimentary to the RS. I suspect the new GS 1300/1400 will be the bike for you in a years time
Glad I don't have to choose between them, I used to really want a GS, but I couldn't afford it, now I can I don't want one, I wouldn't want all the weight these days, don't get me wrong they are both great looking bikes but I imaging running costs are higher than most, being prestige performance and all that.
Don`t think you know what you want Andy, last year the Tiger 900 was high on the list which would probably be a better all rounder i.e. economy, price and staying out of trouble performance wise.
I would say it the choice boils down to the choice between performance on one end with the obvious sacrifices in terms of comfort VS a purely comfort (and potentially a bit more offroad) oriented machine. Personally I've evolved from sportsbikes towards a Multi Enduro...and there is simply no way for it to hide its racing heritage. The GS I've owned as a commuter, but with still that passion for speed, to me the choice for the Red Brand would be obvious. Thanks for the content and keep it coming!
I'm fortunate to have a 1250GS and a Multistrada 950S. The 950 has plenty of performance (for me) on the road and is a bit more engaging to ride. The GS is better at longer distance work and still great fun to ride, although a bit less involving. I reckon the new Tiger 1200 might be the perfect compromise between the two. Can't wait to test one.
I will purchase your GS if you do sell it! I am leaving in September for a round the world trip. I am filming the whole adventure and will be putting it on RUclips. I cycled around the world in 2018 in support of CALM but this time I will be using the combustion engine. Big fan love the videos.
I love my license and the GS is great at normal speeds and you can have fun on it and still stay nearly legal and below the radar. Crap fuel consumption just becomes a ball ache after a while and if I was coming off a sports bike and wanted a ADV bike then if I wanted a BMW I'd be looking at a S1000XR. Mind you the 1250 GS is no slouch and doesn't run out of puff the way the 1200 does. Test rides as always provide the answer, unless it's no from the Missus
I have had my v4 for six months and there is really only one thing that is annoying. The fuel consumption. Heated grips and indicators ? Not a factor for me and offset by the amazing handling, riding comfort and speed. Find some twisties or a stretch of unlimited freeway and there really is no competition, the V4 wins. If you want to grin from ear to ear, get the v4. I ride mine every day in traffic and it is easy to live with, easy to manoeuver in traffic and very comfortable, especially if you have long legs (the GS is a bit more tucked up and cramped). If you resent buying fuel and want steady as she goes, get the GS. Both good bikes, either of them will be a great choice.
Interesting vid & your decision very much makes sense. I also don't think your Italian mistress analogy was far off the mark either but maybe don't mention it to Mrs Flyer hey lol. Definitely worth waiting if a new GS is rumoured to be in the works & even not, hopefully Ducati will have sorted out the idiosyncrasies of the Multistrada by next year so it may be a more appealing proposition by then.
With all the great comments you made about your GS, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were contacted by BMW to test ride a new one. Sounds like a great bike and better than the Ducati. Look forward to more reviews and vlogs on your channel.
Those little things are crucial. You get distracted looking for the indicator and the hedge row will be your new best friend. I hate digital speedo's, you have to look and digest the numbers, with a pointer you get the general idea instantly.
Somehow I knew which bike you would prefer. I will be very interested in your review of the Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally, Andy. Then your subsequent comparison to the GS and Multistrada.
If buying a new large displacement adventure motorcycle the choice could be difficult. There are a good number of bikes to choose from. I don’t think there is a bad bike in the bunch I know a large adventure bike is in my future and my lead choice has been the GS. I was excited about the new V4 Multistrada. Great looks, great power, lots of tech. For me the range is deal breaker. I prefer a bike with at least 200 miles (322km) range. Even the standard GS with its 5.2 gal. (20l) tank is capable. The other bike on the top of my list is the 1290 Super Adventure S. I like the look of it, even though a lot of riders do not. Probably the best thing about your GS is it is paid for.
As an owner of a Mutley V4S I agree with most of what you say. I have an MRA vario screen which is a little wider and quieter (I’m 6’) although it does add weight and subsequent addition of a sat nav up high is just too heavy for the screen mechanism (the integrated Nav is rubbish). The indicator thing - especially turning right - bugged me also but having had the switch gear replaced it is better. Mine sometimes just didn’t switch on at all. I suspect a bit of dodgy design in there somewhere. As for the heated grips there’s a software update which fixes that so they just work off the button. My main gripe with the bike is weather protection. Without panniers and top box fitted there’s a vacuum behind the rider which drags up all the water a worse the muck from the back wheel all up your trousers, all over the back seat and even across the back of your jacket. 10 miles riding on wet dirty roads is enough to require your kit needing a wash (and Goretex is a pain to keep washing). Also those wonderful “cooling” wings down low at the front are really good at jet washing the front of you with muck as well. When I’ve ridden on hot days wearing single layer riding jeans they do cool your shins but not much else, and in the winter I’m cold enough. I’d love a delete kit to get rid of them. Lastly I don’t find the seat comfortable although others do, and there isn’t really any aftermarket alternatives. How is the GS for keeping your riding kit clean?
Compared to the Multistrada it's fine! Did you see my last "Biker Scran" video? The Multistrada covered itself with mud to the degree you couldn't see the numberplate at all!!!
I love your perspective and listening to you work through how you've formed your opinion, as usual. I also love the "...but don't we all love new shiny things..." and your comparison of Italian mistresses to German mistresses... of which I'll have to take you at your word. LOL.
Never was a fan of GS’s but then I had a 2017 1200 Rallye as a hire bike. The GS doesn’t have the headline performance of a lot of other bikes but they just feel really good. I have a 1250 now and tend to ride it more than my modded MT10
After two 1200 GSs and a 1250 I decided to try a Ducati, so after test riding the V4S and the V2S I made a simple decision, it’s a V2S. Nothing wrong with the V4S (apart from its love of fuel) but the V2S was lighter, just as much fun and more than enough performance for our roads. I’ll miss the low down grunt but I won’t miss the weight or the terrible gearbox. GSs are great bikes but they lack the feeling of riding a Ducati, even if I have to deal with a chain maintenance again😉
Couldn't see you getting rid of the mighty GS, it's given you great service over the yrs. You look after your machines fastidiously, as do I, & you know its foibles & quirks.👍
@@TheMissendenFlyer if & when you may decide to get a new GS, sell yours privately, that way you'll get a better price than what a dealer may offer, & you can afford to be selective as you have a few nice steeds in the stable ay Andy, pissing down here in Aberystwyth, nothing unusual for Wales
Very Well explained. Both Bikes LEGENDS.....But until the NEW GS arrive, the Multistrada does have an edge in terms of handling & Raw on road Performance. Not to forget the Adaptive cruise control and blind spot detection.
Nice review. I have a 2020 KTM 1290 SAS. I’d love to see the full review of the big adv bike shootout with the latest and greatest. As far as the big ones, are there about 9-10 to choose from?
Hello Mr Missendenfly,I am big fan of your channel and having watched this one and would say that you need to jump on board the new 2023 Triumph Tiger 1200 and then decide.😉 I look forward to when you test ride the mighty Tiger. Have a great day😊
A good review, and I would say, if the newer bike doesn't give you that immediate WOW factor over your present one, then maybe it's not the right time, or model you need. As the 'niggley' buttons are annoying, though you would soon have the musle memory for them, wouldn't be to bad, but to have to change your phone, so it sits in the correct pocket, to be able to use the satnav......for the price of the bike, to sell it as a sports/touring bike, id suggest an integrated satnav would be one of the 1st aids.
3 New GS Models - well rumor mill is saying...thinking if true - kind of what Triumph did - options...I love my 21' 1250GSA - the Range Rover of motorcycles...as you and others have said the GS may not be the best in one category - but always top two in every category. KTM may be faster, HD with its adjustable height leveling, Multistrada the tourining and Triumph made theirs lighter....but the might GS is still King...maybe a little biased because I have one...but the competitions is really pushing BMW to do better on their next version and they better or people will start to move on....thanks and great video as usual!!!!
Andy - run that Italian vs German metaphor by me again - 😂 - reality is you have so much emotional attachment to the GS given the epic tours you have had on it - you’ll never swap this out. It’s a keeper … it has to be. 👍🏼
If you’re touring in Europe mainly on motorways & staying at posh hotels ,the Beemer . Ducati should stick to proper sports bikes .If you’re touring the world staying in dodgy out of the way places ,then it’s got to be a Honda or Suzuki ,for reliability & they will fit in with the type of machines the locals ride .
Mmm, to me waiting for the rumoured gs1300 is the right thing to do , you love the boxer and lower centre of gravity , and hopefully it'll look better . The new tiger worth a try , wish some company out there would do an enclosed chain set up , but alas they're in cahoots with the chain makers, its good for the servicing extra income , like valves ,surely only harley doing auto adjust tappets in this day and age ?
I'd like to see BMW stretch those service intervals a bit. A 12k mile valve inspection is behind the times now, needs to be 24k to be competitive considering the price.
Thank you for posting. The multistrada is a gorgeous machine. I have not test ridden it. But it might be wise to see if/when BMW will come out with the 1300GS. IMHO, I really like the looks of the Ducati Streetfighter. The V2 flavor. Beautiful, fast, beautiful, practical, beautiful, could be taken on longer rides and did I mention beautiful? Can't wait to see it. Panigale is still the prettiest, but oh boy, that Streetfighter warms the cockles of my heart.
No way I would go off road with those mirrors! Can’t change them out for double takes either… plus the fall flat factor the GS doesn’t suffer from. But!! For on road fun touring, with zero off road, the Ducati should be a good one
I ride a big twin offroad, in places it is definitely not meant to be taken (escaped from mental hospital kind of thing) but I would not bring the Multi on real offroad either. And is not just the mirrors (and a 19” i/o a 21”) although is probably way more capable than it looks. Is just not that bike, in my imaginarium, you thrash on loose rocks. Definitely Ktm1290 ADV R and the Africa Twin, perhaps the tiger, and even the GS, just not the Multi (which is s serious contender in “my next bike challenge” 😅)
I'd say that for anything, unless you like sporty riding on a sub 250 or ride on track days, low down grunt always wins over massive top end! You can appreciate the grunt at any speed off every corner, whereas massive top end power will only get you into trouble eventually.... Speed limits will only ever get lower so I really can't see, away from the track, a single situation where 170bhp is a good idea!
It’s a logical perspective….. but for the main part, biking ain’t about logic, unless your sole goal is getting through traffic….in which case we might as well all buy electric scooters instead.
@@alanprice9938 no, it's not logical, it's being realistic! I've had fast bikes and grunty bikes and I've had far more 'fun' with grunt... Fast bikes WILL eventually get you into trouble. And I can't see your point about riding a grunt laden, bellowing twin out of a series of hairpin bends being compared to riding an electric bike through a town??
@@robbikebob 😃 “realistically” we only need a bike that does 70mph….. maybe 75mph for emergency overtakes on motorways. But who wants that? As for hairpins, a scratchy 250 stroker with zero torque can be great fun too, and often more capable than a torque laden heavyweight. I reckon we “need” all these things at different times, and different stages of our lives. In an ideal garage, I’d have them all, including a 1250 boxer of some type….. not cos of the torque, nor cos it’s reliable or well made, but cos hey, it’s a 1250 boxer 👍👍 As for the grunt comparison on an electric bike, you should try one. Grunt is what electric motors have, in bucket loads.
Interesting, BWM just isn't an option for me given my previous experience with them and their dealer (although shaft drive to me is a big plus). The Multistrada's thirst I just couldn't live with for performance I wouldn't use. My KTM has a 23 litre tank and on a tour I can get 300 miles!. I am thinking about replacing her next year though so the 1200 Tiger, 950 (V2) Multistrada and Moto Guzzi are the bikes on my radar at the moment, I would also consider the Tracer 9 if it wasn't for the silly clocks.
If only the MG had 100 ponies it would be perfect, that bike is butter having short driven one last week. But I think in one max two years we will see a new water cooled MG with the V-100 engine. The adventure touring is too hard to ignore for MG and Piaggio. Right now I think the perfect dual-tourer would be the MS V2-S.
Here’s a question for you TMF, do you even need an adventure bike? Of course need is a silly thing to ask when it comes to bikes as for most of us they are a luxury but with the gold wing do you need an adventure bike for touring. You don’t take it off road (I wouldn’t either) so maybe there’s room for another bike such as a cruiser. Anyway love your vids and just wanted to add a different POV. Keep up the great work TMF!
The Goldwing is amazing two up but if I'm on a solo tour I'd take the GS everytime, just easier to manage generally....that said it is a thought that crosses my mind from time to time! Part of the fun of ownig bikes isn't it, thinking what comes next....
I really value your opinion. I hope you get a chance to review the gsx s1000gt before your shoulder surgery. As you can tell, I've preordered the Suzuki but it has not arrived to the states (Florida). I'm sure your surgery will go well and you will have a speedy recovery. "You'll be back on two wheels and wings in no-time". Otherwise Mrs flyer will take over.
Good comparison. Of the two, definitely the BMW for me. The shaft drive alone would be a big factor. Mind you, notwithstanding I've only seen gushing launch reviews so far, the new Triumph Tiger 1200 might get my vote in this category.
Not considering the Tiger 1200 as an option then? I noticed you didn't mention it when ruminating over a new bike. I have to say, for me it would be between the three.
There is a software update available from Ducati for free now that means the heated grip button works as expected, it switches the grips on and toggles through the heat settings as other bikes do without going into the menu 👍
The integrated sat nav's work fine. If you only had one bike it's easy as but I guess from your perspective you are riding dozens frequently and have to adapt. It really isn't as big of an issue as you are making it out to be. Great video as always though.
Hey Andy, now you've ridden the new GS and seen the hideous GSA , what about revisiting the Multi V4 Rally. Some improvements over the S and bigger tank, plus you'd have some Italian flair back in your stable 😉
It's the chain that puts me off on the Ducati. It's the headlight that puts me off the KTM. And it's the electronics on my 2021 Rocket 3 that puts me off the new Tiger. I'll stick with my GSA. It's brilliant, apart from the terrible Nav6. It's ghosting, and bmw are reluctant to replace. But I will have a go on the Ducati just to see what it does. Great review as always.
Interesting conclusion; I can see how you arrived at it. However, you didn’t mention the new Tiger 1200 family; lighter than the old one (I have a 2019 XRT) and the top models have the blind spot warners. When can we expect a TMF review of that bike?
Different class of bike, but I am refreshing my 2002 GSXR600 rather than buying new or newer-used... so many folks are continually hyped about the "newest" stuff and it simply isn't necessary unless you are racing or just have oodles of money to blow away. The only electronics my 2002 has is fuel injection - so much fun for track days and an absolute visceral experience that has me fine-tuning my riding techniques.
Didn't think I'd ever say this about a bike, but its the mpg that puts me off the Multistrarda.
I was surprised at how much more refined the new GS1250 is over my (now former) 2013 GS1200. The GS1250 gearbox, for example, is an immense improvement over the 1200. The upgrades are such that I went out and bought a 1250. As you say, comparing the Multistrada to a 2013 GS really isn’t a fair comparison. And the GS1250 is cheaper too!
The engine is a clear downgrade with the ridiculous valves giving the bike a non smooth experience
@@AlbertKel I am surprised that is your new experience. My 1250 is very smooth and certainly quieter and
@@johnmartin2848 quieter and what? I've been waiting
Hi Andy I've enjoyed your comparison video, for me personally the reason I'm on my third big GS is that shaft drive. I've had the 1200 GS, then a 1250 GS ADV, which I then changed for the same bike but the lower Chassis, even though I'm 5'-10" tall with a 33 inside leg I prefer to flat foot with a slightly bent knee. I've tried the V4 Multistrada and agree it's a brilliant bike, I agree also that blind spot monitoring is a very good thing to have without doubt. But after years of doing chain maintenance, and I was always over the top with it. to go on tour and not having to think of checking the chain and the crud if you have installed an oiler I do not miss one bit. It will most likely sound feeble but for me it keeps me on the amazing GS.
I finally had a ride on the Multistrada V4S and found the only short comings in my opinion was the motor really needs to be in the 6-8K range to feel normal, below that I was finding only on start out that the bike was not as smooth as you would expect unless you get the rev up into the happy range as stated before. Otherwise once rolling it is a mile muncher and can just cruise at 90 plus with no vibration or strain on the engine and the display in person is quite big, bright, and very nice.
Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare the GS with the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S (NOT R) with the full Tech Pack. Having had a string of GSs and RTs for 15 years and loving them all, I swapped to the KTM last year and certainly BMW will have to do something radical to the GS for me to contemplate going back. Why? The KTM has one thing the BMW is lacking - Grin Factor.
A (bunch of) KTMs led me here. The grin factor.... But can the Pikes Peak keep the Superduke GT grin I wear in place?
And masses of instability at high speeds ! Had 6 1290’s awesome but riding hard but in the same league as the gs imo .
Gone back to a 1250 gs name already down for the new 1300 next year .
Just a shame with its awful looks and unreliability.
There's a lot more choice than just these two of course. People need to do their homework and choose what's best for them as I don't believe there's a "best" bike. 👍
Indeed - theses are only my opinions and I'm no expert!
I generally find that the best bike is the one sitting in your garage waiting to be ridden.....
No there is, it's a CB500X
There certainly is a best bike. But the best bike for you won't be the best bike for someone else.
as long as its BMW your correct...there is the best bike!!!
Another great review. Last July I swapped back to a new GS; the R1250GS. I've had the 1150 and 1200 in the past and then strayed to a K1300R (smile) and then a R1200RS. I also have a G310GS for light weight fun. I'd love to own a Ducati (no room in the garage for another bike). Anyway both bike are great, whichever you go for ride it and enjoy.
You know it makes sense Rodney! Delighted you’re keeping the old beast for the moment….
Your 14 plate GS is a staple of your channel, the many road trips without any issues, for me she's a keeper! Great review 👍🏽
Thanks! 👍
Interesting observations, I've had two GS's including an 1150 GSA and a 1200 GSA and liked both of them, the only reason I never bought a 1250 GSA was everybody seems to have one, I've also had 4 Multistrada's including an 1000DS an 1100S a 1200S and my current 17 plate 1200 Enduro (which I love) I looked at the Multistrada V4 S but decided at 25K + it was way to expensive and didn't offer me anything over and above the 1200 Enduro I already have, if I did replace my 1200 Enduro then I'd probably go for a KTM 1290 Super Adventure R over the V4S and save myself the best part of 10K .
I watched this video on the edge of my seat, having just bought a new 2022 GSA from your historic GS reviews, glad to see you still like it 👍🏻
Funny that you say that Ian. I just purchased a 2022 as well a few weeks ago and Andy’s reviews were certainly influential. Not sure if it was the commentary or the gorgeous scenery in the videos that swayed me! The real deciding factor for me was the versatility of the bike. Coming from a Harley, I appreciate the 250lbs lighter gs, great suspension and overall better comfort. The Multri reviews repeatedly addressed the bikes urgency to want to go and go fast. Not safe or practical for me. Was an easy decision in the end. My brother rides a sport bike and desperately wanted me to get the Multistrada! Ride safe and good luck with the new ride.
@@thomastoochal2133 thanks, I hope you like your new bike, I was reluctant to admit how great it rides after I picked it up, I didn't want to admit that all the hype over the years was right!! But it is!! I have a Triumph Scrambler 1200XE that I love but it now feels very agricultural. I am holding Andy and his videos entirely responsible for my actions LOL. I have a 4k mile euro tour in May I think the GSA is the perfect tool for the job, just need to start booking accommodation for that tour to the arctic circle that was on the channel as well !! Ride safe and enjoy the new bike !!
Do it Ian, you’d love it!
I fully understand TMF. I feel sorry for people who need to have the latest bikes/phones/cars/etc... I ride a 2010 R1200R and I don't think there is another bike current in existence that would tempt me out of that brute. It is all the bike I need and more... I know it inside/out, I've put all the toys and details I wanted and I feel great joy keeping it in good working order. I intend to do a couple more modifications and keep it for at least 8 more years.
"Only when a man knows that enough is enough will he ever truly have enough."
Agreed 100%
And that last bit is from Ecclesiastes, if anyone was wondering.
Great decision 👍 It’s hard to beat the GS as an all rounder.
I'm surprised your not more into the vstrom, given the way you prefer less tech on a bike... it offers all the safety features you need.
I just bought a BMW GSA..simple reason I don’t need a sports bike in Adventure clothes..but I love all bikes & the simple fact is what ever suits you sir😄
Very true!
The Ducati is beautiful compared to the GS. If I was in the market for an adventure bike I would also test the KTM Super Adventure and the new Tiger 1200 (when available)
It's junk .
@@joecamel6835 owned one?
I felt the same about trying the KTM. Great bike, but I couldn’t get on with the looks from the front, or that the fuel tank resembled giant gonads.
@@joecamel6835 If you mean the Ducati, after my experience with one (13 to 17) I agree.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you described who might opt for a multistrada rather than a gs.
I recently rode the new Ducati multistrada V2 , very nice, but then I rode the BMW GS1250 and was simply blown away with all that it does. It looks like my 2017 Africa Twin will be replaced with the GS very soon. All these bikes are simply very good and some will love the GS and some will love the V4, whichever road you take, it's all about motorcycling enjoyment .
The V2 is lovely, and I think is the best looking of them all with the new paint scheme…… but I just found I had to work it harder on hills, or with a pillion, which made the engine feel harsh.
I think that the fact you’ve had your GS for 8 years and clearly still love it says it all 👍
Enjoyed that review. I rode the 1250GS and the V4s back to back before making a decision which to go for. The GS is a superb bike, and very “calming” to ride, but I found it asthmatic when overtaking on faster, flowing roads, and found that it felt it needed another gear when cruising at 80 in top. The standard wind protection was equally disappointing and noisy on both bikes. The Ducati economy could be helped by a taller 6th too, and it certainly has the torque to cope with a taller 6th, just to drop the revs by 500 or 1000 rpm on a long cruise, and to reduce that buzz they both have at 75/85 mph. Do they have a lower 6th just so that it will rev out for max speed? I could happily go without that in favour of a more relaxing, economical top.
Also wondered which Mrs Flyer preferred as a pillion?
You can play with the settings to get more sense of torque on pulling away.
Anyway, in the end, the Ducati felt more sense of “occasion” to get on, seemed more capable all round, more planted on the twisties, had far better safety technology, and Mrs Price preferred it as a pillion, with absolutely no downsides compared to the GS.
Add the full akro pipe and weirdly the fuel economy improves a bit, and suddenly the sense of occasion jumps up yet another notch.
Nice one Alan!
This post helped. Heading toward a Pikes Peak--can't take money with you! Thanks!
@@tomtraynor5384 I think if I was buying today, then I’d buy the Pikes Peak too. The V4s is superb but I’d still wish for the ohlins bling and the single side swinger. That paint scheme also looks great. I live in the south east of France, and both bikes are perfect for the fast mountain roads, whereas the GS just felt a bit reluctant to be pushed.
The only question marks on the pikes peak for me are that I wish it left the white panel without a number 1 in it, and that I’d have to spend a bit more money to get the extras that came included on the V4s (I went for the full). That beautiful red rear seat design has to be lost if you want to give your pillion a warm butt. It’s probably not enough to make me change the V4s, but if I didn’t already have it, the bling of the pikes peak would win me over.
Of course the full akro pipe is a big plus to both bikes, but if you have big feet, and often ride on the balls of your feet, rather than resting the arch on your pegs, then you will sometimes feel the full akro heat shield touching the rear of your boot. It’s not hot nor problematic though.
I have a warm feeling inside! You made the right call Sir! Great video.
The fueling-on-a-tour was why I didn't go Ducati- I went KTM as it has an easy 260+ mile range. Interestingly the KTM indicator switch suffers the same as you mention on the Ducati.
I would have thought the 'thirsty' nature of a touring bike is an absolute dealbreaker.
Of those two, I'll stick with my Tiger 1200. Great all-rounder. Tall windscreen and risers, and I'm good to go.
I went from a GS1200 to the Multi V4S. I'm sure the newer GS1250 is an awesome bike but I'm really loving the Muilti V4S. It's so much more fun for me at least and still very comfortable. No doubt they are both great bikes at the top of their game.
I’m closing in on a year with my 2021 Multi V4. I do love the top box, very handy! I did not buy it for range or gas mileage, so no problems for me there, and the performance is right where I want it. I have found that the right side pannier is quite a bit smaller than the previous ones, so a few little niggles, but nothing to make me regret the upgrade from my 2018 MS 1260S.
Great video and review. I drive a Ducati Scrambler 1100 today and have been looking at the Multi. I am 50+ and a fairly large old guy, like a comfortable bike, but don't mind the extra spice of a Ducati.
Andy, my money is on the next GS. BMW will never let Ducati one-up them. The boxer twin, in my opinion, is the best motorcycle engine for “our” type of riding. Plus there is the low slung weight. I love V4’s. My VFR 1200x was great but drank gas as well. I think you are doing the right thing by waiting. Oh, shaft drive!
After getting a S1000XR in January last year I was initially regretful when I saw the new V4 coming out a few months afterwards (the one local dealer had already told me there would be no 1260's coming in). Thank goodness the fuel economy is terrible though, that made me feel a lot better. Seriously though, why is fuel economy so low down on the list of priorities? I suppose the fact I bought S1000XR shows buyers don't really care too much either.
Never ridden a Multi Strata, but would the Vtwin be a good contender? Lighter, less thirsty, mire than fast enough, cheaper.
A couple of my touring mates love them.
Choices, choices 👌
Happy travels 👍
Great review as always, I desperately wanted the R1250GS Adventure, test rode the GSA and V4S back to back, both great bikes, ended up buying the V4S and have absolutely no regrets, its a fantastic machine...I felt that at 53 I was far too young to buy the GSA, to be honest I found it a bit dull and dated in comparison to the Ducati...but when/if I grow up I will most likely have a GSA...btw no need to go into the menu to set the heated grips, just push the button (update maybe ?)
yes it's an update released since I recorded this video some weeks/months ago....
@@TheMissendenFlyer The fuel fill at the end shows it was recorded months ago! £1.44? They were the days.
You always have a way a way of making me glad I bought my 2015 1200GS!
Always good news to hear, “I’m sticking with the GS”. Fair & honest as always. Thanks TMF 👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
The latest Duke compared to an eight year old GS. Think the answer is in the question Andy! Brilliant review, will be talked about for ages. 👍
Thanks for your views, TMF. Interesting to see your views on the GS vs MultiS vs Triumph Tiger 1200...And just where the big Triumph would fit. Cheers.
Yes looking forward to having a go on one as soon as Triumph get them on their press fleet....
The ideal is to have both as they are in the same category but quite different in terms of engine and feeling....My experience with ducati brought me to conclude that they are super excellent great second bikes or bikes that you do not use a lot, so in case you can have only one the Gs 1250 is the one .....viva la moto!!
The ease of living with the GS seems like a pretty reasonable trade off for how often you'd actually use the Multistrada to it's fullest extent.
The new Multistrada is reliable
10.000KM in in 7-8 months
problem is that the MS is not a ducati anymore. No L-twin. So single swing arm.
@@JUFFAIR101 = Japanese multistrada
@@MemoryLaneCinema the MS is very much a Ducati, regardless of engine and swing arm. It's like saying the new Panigale isn't a Ducati because it's a V4.
@@And_rew92 Well. It isn't.
Great review . I'm similar view I have 2014 multistrada I've test rode the new one obviously different engine characteristics, but not enough of a jump for me to fork out the massive wedge on..
I’ve ridden the 1250gs and multi back to back and both are brilliant bikes. I chose the gs because it is a better bike for everyday use. The gs gearbox isn’t as refined as the Ducati’s but you don’t have to go up and down it as much because it’s more torquey which means you can concentrate on riding rather than making sure you are in the right gear. The Ducati is certainly nicer to look at but then you can’t look at it when your riding it! I found the toggle switch on the Ducati difficult to use and the menus hard work to navigate through but I’ve no doubt in time I’d have got used to it. Funnily enough both bikes had Akrapovics on but the beemer sounded louder and better especially with the pops and bangs on the overrun.
Both brilliant bikes but it’s the BM for me.
Those mirrors are absolute knock outs. They would look great on my Tiger. Triumph take note! Great review Andy!
I love both bikes and also the KTM 1290 but what keeps me on a GS is the low end torque and the fuel economy. Pulling away from a stop is so smooth and linear with the power deliver on my 2014 GS and I routinely average over 50mpg. I absolutely love the looks of the Ducati Multistrada and maybe down the road I'll add one to my garage but the BMW will probably only be replaced by another GS.
The low end torque and economy will of course be next level on electric adventure bikes - when we actually see them.
Andy I completely agree, the GS is such a complete all rounder. Yes there are other bikes out there, if you want speed or tech or something else. But thr BMW ticks my box right now. Will be interesting to see the next generation of GS
Yes I'm really looking forward to seeing the new 1300/1400 - I must say I'm a bit underwelmed by the spy shots to date though - the test mule looks like daffy Duck!! I only hope that changes.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I agree, let's hope that will not be the finished look
Would be interested to hear a comparison between the Multstrada and a S1000XR. Both are probably in the ‘Sports Adventure’ bike category.
Excellent comparison Andy, 😉 think your plan is the wisest choice 👍
Glad to hear that!
I have a 2021 BMW R1250 RS and its a keeper for touring and sporty feeling. Less plastics more billet especially with the 719 package. I am considering adding a V4S however to replace another bike and feel it would be complimentary to the RS. I suspect the new GS 1300/1400 will be the bike for you in a years time
Glad I don't have to choose between them, I used to really want a GS, but I couldn't afford it, now I can I don't want one, I wouldn't want all the weight these days, don't get me wrong they are both great looking bikes but I imaging running costs are higher than most, being prestige performance and all that.
Quite agree. I had a GS 1250 and it's amazing. But I don't need a bike to weigh 250kg.
Doesn’t feel that heavy though thanks to its low centre of gravity - that’s what I love about it!
@@TheMissendenFlyer very true on country lanes, less so in the city centre and the garage
Don`t think you know what you want Andy, last year the Tiger 900 was high on the list which would probably be a better all rounder i.e. economy, price and staying out of trouble performance wise.
Yes that’s still very much on the list! Indecision is all part of the fun of thinking about a new bike isn’t it!
@@TheMissendenFlyer fun? I’d call it agony!
I would say it the choice boils down to the choice between performance on one end with the obvious sacrifices in terms of comfort VS a purely comfort (and potentially a bit more offroad) oriented machine. Personally I've evolved from sportsbikes towards a Multi Enduro...and there is simply no way for it to hide its racing heritage. The GS I've owned as a commuter, but with still that passion for speed, to me the choice for the Red Brand would be obvious. Thanks for the content and keep it coming!
Cheers Dennis - will do!
The Multi is one beautiful bike. The way those mirrors look! They are a knock out!
I'm fortunate to have a 1250GS and a Multistrada 950S. The 950 has plenty of performance (for me) on the road and is a bit more engaging to ride. The GS is better at longer distance work and still great fun to ride, although a bit less involving. I reckon the new Tiger 1200 might be the perfect compromise between the two. Can't wait to test one.
Me too! Looks nice as well.....
comparing the 950 with the beamer is silly. Ofcourse it is. Compare the V4s with the 850GS and you will get the same answer.
I will purchase your GS if you do sell it! I am leaving in September for a round the world trip. I am filming the whole adventure and will be putting it on RUclips. I cycled around the world in 2018 in support of CALM but this time I will be using the combustion engine. Big fan love the videos.
I love my license and the GS is great at normal speeds and you can have fun on it and still stay nearly legal and below the radar. Crap fuel consumption just becomes a ball ache after a while and if I was coming off a sports bike and wanted a ADV bike then if I wanted a BMW I'd be looking at a S1000XR. Mind you the 1250 GS is no slouch and doesn't run out of puff the way the 1200 does. Test rides as always provide the answer, unless it's no from the Missus
Thanks Mr Flyer, I always enjoy your informative and thoughtful commentary. :>)
Thanks for watching Peter!
Great, honest review TMF. Think you were spot on about both bikes. Still think the GS is the daddy though. Thank you
No worries!
Good comparison video and 1 hell of a choice to make.
I have had my v4 for six months and there is really only one thing that is annoying. The fuel consumption. Heated grips and indicators ? Not a factor for me and offset by the amazing handling, riding comfort and speed. Find some twisties or a stretch of unlimited freeway and there really is no competition, the V4 wins. If you want to grin from ear to ear, get the v4. I ride mine every day in traffic and it is easy to live with, easy to manoeuver in traffic and very comfortable, especially if you have long legs (the GS is a bit more tucked up and cramped).
If you resent buying fuel and want steady as she goes, get the GS. Both good bikes, either of them will be a great choice.
I have a Forza 350 . 90mpg . Great storage. Great weather protection with my electrically adjustable windscreen. Why go bigger 🤪🧐
Lower rpm relaxed riding at higher speeds and cruising. More stability.
For commuting I'd rather the Forza than a GS but for touring the Kawasaki Z1000SX would be my choice.
Interesting vid & your decision very much makes sense. I also don't think your Italian mistress analogy was far off the mark either but maybe don't mention it to Mrs Flyer hey lol. Definitely worth waiting if a new GS is rumoured to be in the works & even not, hopefully Ducati will have sorted out the idiosyncrasies of the Multistrada by next year so it may be a more appealing proposition by then.
With all the great comments you made about your GS, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were contacted by BMW to test ride a new one. Sounds like a great bike and better than the Ducati.
Look forward to more reviews and vlogs on your channel.
Those little things are crucial. You get distracted looking for the indicator and the hedge row will be your new best friend. I hate digital speedo's, you have to look and digest the numbers, with a pointer you get the general idea instantly.
Couldn't agree more!
Somehow I knew which bike you would prefer. I will be very interested in your review of the Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally, Andy. Then your subsequent comparison to the GS and Multistrada.
Sorry, Andy, I meant the 1200 GT.
If buying a new large displacement adventure motorcycle the choice could be difficult. There are a good number of bikes to choose from. I don’t think there is a bad bike in the bunch I know a large adventure bike is in my future and my lead choice has been the GS. I was excited about the new V4 Multistrada. Great looks, great power, lots of tech. For me the range is deal breaker. I prefer a bike with at least 200 miles (322km) range. Even the standard GS with its 5.2 gal. (20l) tank is capable. The other bike on the top of my list is the 1290 Super Adventure S. I like the look of it, even though a lot of riders do not. Probably the best thing about your GS is it is paid for.
That’s true! It owes me nothing….
As an owner of a Mutley V4S I agree with most of what you say. I have an MRA vario screen which is a little wider and quieter (I’m 6’) although it does add weight and subsequent addition of a sat nav up high is just too heavy for the screen mechanism (the integrated Nav is rubbish). The indicator thing - especially turning right - bugged me also but having had the switch gear replaced it is better. Mine sometimes just didn’t switch on at all. I suspect a bit of dodgy design in there somewhere. As for the heated grips there’s a software update which fixes that so they just work off the button.
My main gripe with the bike is weather protection. Without panniers and top box fitted there’s a vacuum behind the rider which drags up all the water a worse the muck from the back wheel all up your trousers, all over the back seat and even across the back of your jacket. 10 miles riding on wet dirty roads is enough to require your kit needing a wash (and Goretex is a pain to keep washing). Also those wonderful “cooling” wings down low at the front are really good at jet washing the front of you with muck as well. When I’ve ridden on hot days wearing single layer riding jeans they do cool your shins but not much else, and in the winter I’m cold enough. I’d love a delete kit to get rid of them.
Lastly I don’t find the seat comfortable although others do, and there isn’t really any aftermarket alternatives.
How is the GS for keeping your riding kit clean?
Compared to the Multistrada it's fine! Did you see my last "Biker Scran" video? The Multistrada covered itself with mud to the degree you couldn't see the numberplate at all!!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes indeed. You were fortunate to have the panniers on or your trousers would have looked the same.
@@paulleman7703 Really!? Wow....
I love your perspective and listening to you work through how you've formed your opinion, as usual. I also love the "...but don't we all love new shiny things..." and your comparison of Italian mistresses to German mistresses... of which I'll have to take you at your word. LOL.
...well I'm making an educated guess, I've never had a German mistress.....
Never was a fan of GS’s but then I had a 2017 1200 Rallye as a hire bike.
The GS doesn’t have the headline performance of a lot of other bikes but they just feel really good.
I have a 1250 now and tend to ride it more than my modded MT10
Told you they were good!
After two 1200 GSs and a 1250 I decided to try a Ducati, so after test riding the V4S and the V2S I made a simple decision, it’s a V2S. Nothing wrong with the V4S (apart from its love of fuel) but the V2S was lighter, just as much fun and more than enough performance for our roads. I’ll miss the low down grunt but I won’t miss the weight or the terrible gearbox. GSs are great bikes but they lack the feeling of riding a Ducati, even if I have to deal with a chain maintenance again😉
Couldn't see you getting rid of the mighty GS, it's given you great service over the yrs. You look after your machines fastidiously, as do I, & you know its foibles & quirks.👍
Yes she’s a keeper for a little while longer yet!
@@TheMissendenFlyer if & when you may decide to get a new GS, sell yours privately, that way you'll get a better price than what a dealer may offer, & you can afford to be selective as you have a few nice steeds in the stable ay Andy, pissing down here in Aberystwyth, nothing unusual for Wales
Glad your keeping the gs,beautiful bike .
GS for Practical use. And the V4S for Fun.!
Very Well explained. Both Bikes LEGENDS.....But until the NEW GS arrive, the Multistrada does have an edge in terms of handling & Raw on road Performance. Not to forget the Adaptive cruise control and blind spot detection.
Doesn't have the edge on low speed manhandling and ease of living with - not to forget it's "integrated" satnav and high fuel consumption..... :0P
Nice review. I have a 2020 KTM 1290 SAS. I’d love to see the full review of the big adv bike shootout with the latest and greatest. As far as the big ones, are there about 9-10 to choose from?
Choices, choices 😀 you maybe need to compare to the GS1250, the Ducati looks lovely though 🙂
That top screen bracket is obscuring a lot of the road. I hope there is an after market alternative that solves this.
I doubt it's in the line of sight, you probably look over the entire screen
@@peterrooney8236 Yeh. Concluded same after I thought about it for a min.
Hello Mr Missendenfly,I am big fan of your channel and having watched this one and would say that you need to jump on board the new 2023 Triumph Tiger 1200 and then decide.😉
I look forward to when you test ride the mighty Tiger.
Have a great day😊
Great comparison, but you already have a hot Italian mistress in the garage,definitely wait to see what BMW brings to the plate.
A good review, and I would say, if the newer bike doesn't give you that immediate WOW factor over your present one, then maybe it's not the right time, or model you need. As the 'niggley' buttons are annoying, though you would soon have the musle memory for them, wouldn't be to bad, but to have to change your phone, so it sits in the correct pocket, to be able to use the satnav......for the price of the bike, to sell it as a sports/touring bike, id suggest an integrated satnav would be one of the 1st aids.
I love a dedicated satnav - or one built in so you don't need your phone at all - my Honda Goldwing manages as does my GS!
Yes, I have a tom tom rider on my tiger 800, which is ample for me, and I don't need to much plugged into the bike.
3 New GS Models - well rumor mill is saying...thinking if true - kind of what Triumph did - options...I love my 21' 1250GSA - the Range Rover of motorcycles...as you and others have said the GS may not be the best in one category - but always top two in every category. KTM may be faster, HD with its adjustable height leveling, Multistrada the tourining and Triumph made theirs lighter....but the might GS is still King...maybe a little biased because I have one...but the competitions is really pushing BMW to do better on their next version and they better or people will start to move on....thanks and great video as usual!!!!
Yes I agree on all points - thanks for watching!
Andy - run that Italian vs German metaphor by me again - 😂 - reality is you have so much emotional attachment to the GS given the epic tours you have had on it - you’ll never swap this out. It’s a keeper … it has to be. 👍🏼
Yes I think you may be right Faraz!
If you’re touring in Europe mainly on motorways & staying at posh hotels ,the Beemer . Ducati should stick to proper sports bikes .If you’re touring the world staying in dodgy out of the way places ,then it’s got to be a Honda or Suzuki ,for reliability & they will fit in with the type of machines the locals ride .
Hi TMF
Would luv to see 90 / early 2000 retro sport bike series. And how they compare to today's sports bike.
Noted!
Mmm, to me waiting for the rumoured gs1300 is the right thing to do , you love the boxer and lower centre of gravity , and hopefully it'll look better . The new tiger worth a try , wish some company out there would do an enclosed chain set up , but alas they're in cahoots with the chain makers, its good for the servicing extra income , like valves ,surely only harley doing auto adjust tappets in this day and age ?
I'd like to see BMW stretch those service intervals a bit. A 12k mile valve inspection is behind the times now, needs to be 24k to be competitive considering the price.
Thank you for posting. The multistrada is a gorgeous machine. I have not test ridden it. But it might be wise to see if/when BMW will come out with the 1300GS. IMHO, I really like the looks of the Ducati Streetfighter. The V2 flavor. Beautiful, fast, beautiful, practical, beautiful, could be taken on longer rides and did I mention beautiful? Can't wait to see it. Panigale is still the prettiest, but oh boy, that Streetfighter warms the cockles of my heart.
I have one on loan at present - stay tuned for my reviews in due course!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Great, looking forward to it.
No way I would go off road with those mirrors! Can’t change them out for double takes either… plus the fall flat factor the GS doesn’t suffer from. But!! For on road fun touring, with zero off road, the Ducati should be a good one
I ride a big twin offroad, in places it is definitely not meant to be taken (escaped from mental hospital kind of thing) but I would not bring the Multi on real offroad either. And is not just the mirrors (and a 19” i/o a 21”) although is probably way more capable than it looks. Is just not that bike, in my imaginarium, you thrash on loose rocks. Definitely Ktm1290 ADV R and the Africa Twin, perhaps the tiger, and even the GS, just not the Multi (which is s serious contender in “my next bike challenge” 😅)
I'd say that for anything, unless you like sporty riding on a sub 250 or ride on track days, low down grunt always wins over massive top end! You can appreciate the grunt at any speed off every corner, whereas massive top end power will only get you into trouble eventually.... Speed limits will only ever get lower so I really can't see, away from the track, a single situation where 170bhp is a good idea!
It’s a logical perspective….. but for the main part, biking ain’t about logic, unless your sole goal is getting through traffic….in which case we might as well all buy electric scooters instead.
@@alanprice9938 no, it's not logical, it's being realistic! I've had fast bikes and grunty bikes and I've had far more 'fun' with grunt... Fast bikes WILL eventually get you into trouble. And I can't see your point about riding a grunt laden, bellowing twin out of a series of hairpin bends being compared to riding an electric bike through a town??
@@robbikebob 😃 “realistically” we only need a bike that does 70mph….. maybe 75mph for emergency overtakes on motorways. But who wants that? As for hairpins, a scratchy 250 stroker with zero torque can be great fun too, and often more capable than a torque laden heavyweight. I reckon we “need” all these things at different times, and different stages of our lives.
In an ideal garage, I’d have them all, including a 1250 boxer of some type….. not cos of the torque, nor cos it’s reliable or well made, but cos hey, it’s a 1250 boxer 👍👍
As for the grunt comparison on an electric bike, you should try one. Grunt is what electric motors have, in bucket loads.
I have both and they are great. What ADV Bike does everybody try to compare to? Of Course the GSA. Best Bike Ever!
Interesting, BWM just isn't an option for me given my previous experience with them and their dealer (although shaft drive to me is a big plus). The Multistrada's thirst I just couldn't live with for performance I wouldn't use. My KTM has a 23 litre tank and on a tour I can get 300 miles!. I am thinking about replacing her next year though so the 1200 Tiger, 950 (V2) Multistrada and Moto Guzzi are the bikes on my radar at the moment, I would also consider the Tracer 9 if it wasn't for the silly clocks.
If only the MG had 100 ponies it would be perfect, that bike is butter having short driven one last week. But I think in one max two years we will see a new water cooled MG with the V-100 engine. The adventure touring is too hard to ignore for MG and Piaggio. Right now I think the perfect dual-tourer would be the MS V2-S.
Which KTM do you have? I have a GT, also 23L. I get closer to 200 miles on a tank.
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Here’s a question for you TMF, do you even need an adventure bike? Of course need is a silly thing to ask when it comes to bikes as for most of us they are a luxury but with the gold wing do you need an adventure bike for touring. You don’t take it off road (I wouldn’t either) so maybe there’s room for another bike such as a cruiser. Anyway love your vids and just wanted to add a different POV. Keep up the great work TMF!
The Goldwing is amazing two up but if I'm on a solo tour I'd take the GS everytime, just easier to manage generally....that said it is a thought that crosses my mind from time to time! Part of the fun of ownig bikes isn't it, thinking what comes next....
@@TheMissendenFlyer no matter what you choose I’ll be following with interest. No doubt you’ll make the best decision 👍
Great comparison video.
Thanks!
I really value your opinion. I hope you get a chance to review the gsx s1000gt before your shoulder surgery. As you can tell, I've preordered the Suzuki but it has not arrived to the states (Florida). I'm sure your surgery will go well and you will have a speedy recovery. "You'll be back on two wheels and wings in no-time". Otherwise Mrs flyer will take over.
The GT review is coming soon!
Good comparison. Of the two, definitely the BMW for me. The shaft drive alone would be a big factor. Mind you, notwithstanding I've only seen gushing launch reviews so far, the new Triumph Tiger 1200 might get my vote in this category.
Yes looking forward to trying the new Triumph!
Not considering the Tiger 1200 as an option then? I noticed you didn't mention it when ruminating over a new bike. I have to say, for me it would be between the three.
Yes that is a contender for sure - just not ridden it yet….
There is a software update available from Ducati for free now that means the heated grip button works as expected, it switches the grips on and toggles through the heat settings as other bikes do without going into the menu 👍
Indeed....
The integrated sat nav's work fine. If you only had one bike it's easy as but I guess from your perspective you are riding dozens frequently and have to adapt. It really isn't as big of an issue as you are making it out to be. Great video as always though.
To be fair none of these things are big issues are they - all modern bikes are superb....
Heated grips faffery has been sorted by a softwear update at the dealer from what I hear 😉
Hey Andy, now you've ridden the new GS and seen the hideous GSA , what about revisiting the Multi V4 Rally. Some improvements over the S and bigger tank, plus you'd have some Italian flair back in your stable 😉
Not a bad idea! Still a bit top heavy for me - I shall stick with my old GS for now….
Been waiting for these Multistrada videos.... excellent.....
Thank you!
It's the chain that puts me off on the Ducati.
It's the headlight that puts me off the KTM. And it's the electronics on my 2021 Rocket 3 that puts me off the new Tiger.
I'll stick with my GSA. It's brilliant, apart from the terrible Nav6. It's ghosting, and bmw are reluctant to replace.
But I will have a go on the Ducati just to see what it does.
Great review as always.
Thanks for watching Fred!
Interesting conclusion; I can see how you arrived at it. However, you didn’t mention the new Tiger 1200 family; lighter than the old one (I have a 2019 XRT) and the top models have the blind spot warners. When can we expect a TMF review of that bike?
Juat as soon as Triumph can get me one - incredibly they tell me they are not yet on their press fleet....
Different class of bike, but I am refreshing my 2002 GSXR600 rather than buying new or newer-used... so many folks are continually hyped about the "newest" stuff and it simply isn't necessary unless you are racing or just have oodles of money to blow away.
The only electronics my 2002 has is fuel injection - so much fun for track days and an absolute visceral experience that has me fine-tuning my riding techniques.
Good stuff Matt - stick with it!