How Fast Can A Group B Rally Car Lap The Nordschleife?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Can we just stop and appreciate the fact that Jimmer just drove the equivelant of a mobile suicide box through the most demanding piece of road in existence like a madman, put I in a quick time and still managed to string together coherent commentary? Legend.
@@jumbo4billion Well it's pretty close to real driving at this point.
This takes ZERO bravery. He's just good at a game.
@@OffGridMadMan maybe so, but racing in games is pretty close to the real thing
Man I was just gonna say this, this guy never seizes to amaze me lol...
Jimmy may not be in any danger, but the way the car drives is *very* similar to the real thing, the oversteer, and the understeer in this car is so hard to manage and to get a good time in, plus the car demands *all* of your attention, but jimmy could commentate while driving this car, *and* get a good time in, and that is requires so much skill to accomplish.
Those third person highlight cameras were a really great addition!
ThePurpleguy123 PUUUURPLE
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ThePurpleguy123 take your chance BOI
the guy is commentating like a pro as he drives. coming from competitive sim racing, thats impressive
I know right?.. This guy neve ceases to amaze me.
Lol can do the same and I don't see anything impressive in it
UNION44 make a video talking and driving fast in VR bucko
@@slowmotionbetterthannomotion. bet get at me instagram @bartas_union44 I will be getting me VR in a few and I will make sure to record it specially for you
@@wronabeats So how did this pan out? Not a single driving vid in your videos...
Gotta love some 5-cylinder goodness
Best enjoyed in the full LP version at the Targa Florio track ;)
i drive a 5cyl turbo so that's basically group b right :P
Fernde09 stick a big WANG on the front and back and you're set
my car only has smol wang
Sam Jones one of the meanest sounding engines ever made
S1 E2, maybe one of my favorite cars. EVER. 5-cylinder+turbo soo good. Love the extra camera work too Jimmy!
"A car is just fast enough when you stand in front of it in the morning and are afraid to unlock it." -Walter Rohrl
"When flooring the throttle the tears of joy have to flow horizontally towards your ears." Also him and my rough translation ☺
The delta s4 "this car is too fast for Corsica" Henri torvinen. Later that day he and segio cresto were burnt alive as the most savage group b car fell down a ravine and burst into flames.
@@theant9821 Toivonen, not Torvinen. Great driver regardless, he was a clear-cut favorite to win the championship that year. Also, he had a huge fever, and the overall rally was twice as long as the rally of Finland is today, yet the Lancia Martini team made him drive anyway, despite his teammate's death in the very same rally the prior year... and still, before he crashed, he was smashing the competition by *over a minute.*
And it was a technical failure that caused the crash. Just... so many ways that death could, and should have been avoided.
@@tommisaarinen2394 the cause of the crash is not known. And he didn't have to drive but not doing so would void the contract he'd signed, and at the tim fatalities were not uncommon in rallying so the crash the year before wasn't even in the delta so most probably seen as unfortunate by the team. Not a reason to withdraw from the event.
@@theant9821 But then again, those cars had no power steering, 600 bhp to contain and all wheel drive, and when you have a fever, you get a lot of fatigue in your muscles a lot faster than when you're healthy... Henri's body temperature was over 40°C. That's enough to land most people in a hospital nowadays. And, again, the rally was also much longer than any WRC rally today, not to mention that it was all narrow, winding mountain roads with tight corners and sometimes not even a guard rail separating the roads from the ravines surrounding them. Stepping behind the wheel in those circumstances is straight up suicide. Would have taken a damn miracle to survive through that.
I like the cupholders in the door.
duh, it's for holding understeer
Gotta practice those slides.
No German car of that era would be caught dead with such amenities. Unless it’s an ashtray. Lots and lots of ashtrays...
They're beer holders duh
dat footwork tho 😍
@Lxcien Of course he had. Firstly because he used to be a professional racing driver. Secondly because he drove that car in its natural habitats, namely in forests etc. in which the driving naturally requires more advanced footwork than on a tarmac circuit.
@Lxcien He double-clutched on reductions
@Lxcien Hannu Mikkola was better
Are you finnish?
@@0nniaho I am
Rev limiter bouncing while going sideways at high speed through corners... PURE... BLISS...
4G12 I was pretty impressed with the realism. My 4x4 Tacoma drives exactly the same way in snow. Into a corner a little too hot causes it to understeer but if you mash the throttle, it just pulls you out exactly the same way this sim does. The vehicle response and steering inputs look identical. I need to play with one of these. Looks fun.
On that final straight I was just hoping a piston would pop out the bonnet
Straight up into the stratosphere doing 8.500rpm.
Hood*
kapota* :D :D :D that's bonnet/hood in my language
Wesley Johnson that’s a bit harsh
Marcus Hesketh well excuse me if correcting you is harsh...
“We got 24 second to beat the nascar” *enter extreme concentration mode*
Now try that with a Lancia Delta S4!
Before his untimely death Henri Toivonen did some tarmac testing on a track also used by F1.
He would have qualified 8th for that years Grand Prix!
The S4 also accelerated from 0-100km/h in 2.8 sec on gravel.
Stupid myths..acceletation test was on tarmac and the f1 story is pure hylarious bullshit! The s4 was a crazy car...and these lies are part of his story but definetly not real!
Gilles Priod the F1 story may not be true, but the accelaration is. I mean, Henri Toivonen (the one who drove the Delta S4) was the one that said it. 0-100 km/h in 2.9 sec, 0-200 km/h in 9.6 sec. And if you think about it, it make sense for a car that has 600 hp and weighs 890kgs, and has 4wd.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 that also, hate how many cars I see these days and it over 1000kg so often, love to see ones below
@@gillespriod5509
Last S4 had 650+ hp in race trim, in testing they reached 1.000 hp. So with slicks, right setup and perhaps higher turbo pressure they could go against F1 on slower tracks, where grip and acceleration counts.The S4 had titanium and ceramic in their engines, on par with an F1 engine at that time.
This is my favorite thing to do in AC. I just drive the Audi in places it doesn't belong. (and turn up the boost to 100%)
Had the luck to hear it live a few time, nothing EVER beats this sound. Gives me shivers all the way.
Wow. Really enjoyed that. Thanks a lot. Imagine driving one of those brutal monsters for real, through a muddy forest surrounded by crazy spectators. Those drivers were gods. RIP Hannu Mikola
Jimmy please upload the cinematic camera view of this lap. I can only imagine how entertaining it would be to watch
Uuuh, I have no ideas... Um... Oh! I have an ideea : *How fast can the Peel P50 lap the Nordschleife?*
SniperBadBoy How about: CAN the Benz Patent Motorwagen lap the Nordschleife?
SniperBadBoy What about the P45? lol.
*hOw FaSt CaN a HuMaN lAp ThE nOrDsChLeIfE?*
SniperBadBoy 3 hours (ita a guesstimation)
it should be about 45 minutes
Lancia Stratos Rally car. Gotta love that v6 sound 😍 but its still nothing compared to the Quattro
Delta S4 next!
Assetto corsa doesn't have that car sadly
@@showoe3126 thats what mods are for XD
@@dr.dylansgame5583 true
8:32 "This is a Rally Car so we can do this" hahaha
That thumbnail is begging for photoshop abuse 😆
Aidan Millward its a twitch emote
Kamikaze Mobiri that twitch emote is begging for some photoshop abuse 😆
Aidan Millward it’s called Kreygasm
duon44 that Kreygasm is just... Ah forget it 😒
I hope you’re talking about the Audi
"Unquestionably the best box..." there's an ex-wife joke in there somewhere Jimmer.... ;)
"You merely adopted the understeer, i was born in the understeer"
-jimmy banebent
It has long been speculated about but finally; Jimmy is hairdresser confirmed
LMAO how?
6:42 "(...) why I own a turbocharged Mx-5 that and I'm a hairdresser"
love the car, love the track, and love the A E S T H E T I C outro
Great driving as always Jimmy! This probably is my favourite already amongst all your Nordschleife runs. Love how erratic and on the edge you are! 👍
I really struggle with this car in PC2, and I could not have asked for a better video. The 40/60 brake bias was really smart, and the control in the corners is impressive. Thank you mr. Jimmer for this video.
Wanna see the 205 t16 next😏
Just yes
Crazy that people are making videos like this on the ring running comparable laps talking through its entirety. Madness!!
Yes group b is back bois, also there was a Aston Martin vantage at my school today plus I had tried this on gt6 with the pikes peak version
Oh wow! Wow! Wow! That’s like my favorite rally car of all time. They got the sound absolutely bang on, I was losing my mind in the turns. What the? Dude??
These are still quite fast circuit cars... faster than the 90s DTM cars lol
I like the Audi but the Lancias are definitely my favorite.
They were legends driving RWD that well in competitive rally.
Killed it on everything except the winter circuits.
As the Walter used to say: "You have to tapdance on the pedals* to get it round a corner!"
*both the brake and the gas.
So what is your favourite Quattro in regards to sound, the AC one, the PCars 2 one or the Dirt Rally one?
Personally I prefer the Dirt Rally one.....and yeah you need that understeer there given the lack of traction on some surfaces.
On the other hand how about the Audi 90 IMSA GTO after this?
R3E has it as well as Pcars 1 and 2, but I prefer the R3E one......the sound is so much better.
And I guess it was 14 seconds in time but worlds in difference in fun compared to the Formula E! ;)
Left foot brake....
I used to be Stage Commander at Dolbie Forrest in England. When these cars came into the rally spot light. I was part of a racing moter club called Molten Motor Club in North Yorkshire. Nothing as impressive as seeing Colin Mcrae tearing down the track in one of these.
You could try some more left foot braking on this car. It loves it and makes it go faster too
What an absolutely incredible lap, genuinely on the edge of my seat throughout some of that
Audi quatro was superb but my fav all time rally car still is the lancia integral delta..would love to see Jimmo's best time in that 😉
You know @Jimmy Broadbent there's a reliant robin mod for AC.....You know what I want
Excellent foot work! The touches with the clutch kicks, an using the gears to get the weight transfer to cut down the understeer. Magical to watch, keep it up sir!
I'd love to see what you can do with an RS200
Group B... What a wonderful legacy...
This 5 cylinder Audi sounds beautiful.
Dat footwork tho=B E A U TIFUL
Take a drink every time jimmer says *UNDER-STEER*
Its a shame they dont have the Lancia Delta S4 on Assetto.
James W true
it´s a shame they generally don´t have alot of cars.... Forzas car park in AC, Some of PC2s tracks on top and a better way to set up online sessions...
i´d be happy for all time i guess :)
WRC: Dont pray, i can save you! :D
Group B: START PRAYING HUMANS!
This was intense!
Love it!
I was thinking "its a shame there's no outside view of these sideways moments" and boom. Jimmer provides. fantastic content mate.
Walter Röhrl wouldn't appreciate that much drifting. ;-)
"..whatever, just smash the throttle.. the car can do it.." Probably the best description of Group B. Also wasn't around for Group B, but from what I gathered driving technique was to be very slow and careful in corners and then just "smash the throttle" on straights. Group B cars that came after were significantly less powerful but new generation of drivers worked on driving finesse and soon post faster times than Group B.
Great vid mate. Absolute poetry.
Awesome! I love Group B. I have done a few different videos on my channel featuring them. Nice work!
ConnerSpeed6 Group B is the only "real" Rally Cars... WRC is for Boys ;-)
Tino i completely agree!!! Those boys were real drivers through and through!
ConnerSpeed6 it mist have been so Dangerous but so unbeliveably fun to Drive something like this... many People died in the History of our Loved Sport we can't forget that...
But I think they should have not forbidden the groub B monsters but get those Viewers away from the Road
Tino i agree. The FIA is always so on top of safety. It's a wonder how many deaths there were.
Drove this (well, close B/12 Audi) in '84-'86, and it was quite frustrating, yet it was all we knew. The biggest thing that we secretly despised was the fan presence on circuit. Great job here. Imagine the car in dirt. It was surfing versus tire-guiding.
That turbo S U C C
The understeer mainly comes from the unfavorable weight distribution, due to the engine being in front of the front axle. The same problem all Audis have to this day, unfortunately.
This was P L E A S U R E A B L E Kreygasm
Sincerely for a long time that I look at your videos, you are the only one who drives as well while talking constantly: D. and with the audi quattro that requires a lot of concentration, you have a surprising concentration
can you do the alfa 155 next?
such a fun car to drive around the ring in asetto corsa, And that screaming V6...
That car bothers me in Assetto Corsa. It doesn't really have competition given the other two DTM cars are Group A cars (btw, how has AC been out this long yet there are only two Group A cars including mods?) and the Opel Calibra mod is an ITC car from the 95-96 season which is *much* faster.
Of course, cars without competition is common in both AC and rF2.
It was not the first four wheel drive but this is the ultimate evolution of the car that was the first to use this technology.
9:33 In reality engine would explode
"what ever we are a rally car, it's allooooowed!"
Insane man!
Legenda says a Delta S4 lapped Estoril faster than its contemporary F1 counterparts, rumors of course.
ArthurAlcantara its true
ArthurAlcantara hannu mikola tested the Quattro (the same as in this video) on a stretch of forest in Finland that was the same length as a grand Prix track (don't know which one for sure) and his time on gravel would have out him 4th on the F1 grid!!!
Steven Palmer Lancia is better you cant make anything, it is how it is
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ArthurAlcantara group b cars aren't very fast over a stage, group a cars were as fast by late 80s and not 1 stage record still in use from the group be era still stood by the end of the 93 season, integrale, cosworth and gt fours were far faster by that point.
@@theant9821 As far as i know the 90s group A cars were faster around medium to tight corners and easier to handle, but the top group b cars were faster at 0-60 but mutch more risky to drive. I say "top" group b since there was lower class group b as well.
I had a beer with Stig once. He said that the car was a hell of a handful, but a hell of a lot of fun. Aim for the closest meter he said haha.
Did a lap of the green hell with this car while I watched the video. My time 9:00... It looked an awful lot like a rally stage
Funny enough: inorder to effectively turn the S1 around an corner u would need to brake with your left foot, to give the front wheels more weight and grip, then u flick around that steering wheel, while pushing and playing with the throttle (and brake) constantly to keep that Turbo charged up and to get those faster exits. Oh and dont forget that this was all made inorder to not have to down-shift during, before or after the turn.
Fun fact: Walter Röhrl needed 3 Audi S1s to master that technique.
Just watch the footwork of Röhrl
You describe the driving technique exactly. But on a race track you have no turbo lag. When steering into a curve at the exactly right moment, it is enough to get off the accelerator quickly so that no understeer occurs. As soon as the car yaws into the curve, full throttle. I learned both techniques with my first Quattro. At this time when Audi first brought the Quattro I had two Quattros with these mechanical differential locks. Hard to learn to accelerate instead of speeding out.
Can u drive the 918 on the Nordschleife and try to beat 6:57 pls
Leon 9028292
Beat the record with a 918? I think a 919 tribute would fit better for doing that
awgeTM ? What ?
Leon 9028292 I'm sorry I got that wrong.
Heck of a lap Jimmer, that looked like hard work and fun all at once, I will never tire of that 5-cylinder sound love it
Somebody just let him drive the nordschlife already
One of the original "heel and toe" cars. Lol.
It suffered from terrible turbo lag, like most early eighties turbo cars, so they would brake and clutch with the left foot so they could constantly keep the revs up in the turbo power band with the right foot.
It's still an impressive technique today but it was much more difficult back then with virtually zero driver aids like they have today.
How fast can a Citroen Saxo rally car lap the Nordschleife?
how fast can we all not care about that
Under 10 minutes I would hope. ruclips.net/video/mBFjHjm0O5M/видео.html
There is a citroen ax diesel with less than 100hp that did less than 8 minutes hahaha
10 not 8
Hassan P and not the full lap
I've played racing games for about 13 years and it wasn't until about 3 years ago before I actually managed to do a clean lap of the Ring without any driving assist turned on lol.
037 next?
That thumbnail just invites senseless comments. Thank God we know you're a straight up guy
Everyone’s favourite rallycar
This the only car I like driving on this track in AC lol. Not sure why, I guess it’s because it’s crazy rewarding when you get it right.
rally car on a road course ?hmmmm
this is one of my all time favorite race cars of any genre. simply an incredible piece of 80s engineering
Do Lancer Evo 8 , 9 , 10
The front lifts up due to suspension, aero and power. A rear wheel drive car can have its front lift up. A front wheel drive car can have its front lift up too.
Suspension is the biggest factor and a rally car is set up to take huge variances in road surfaces.
I need to change underwear...
I loved the giggles when Jimmer was sliding around. You know he is enjoying it.
As much as I'd love to watch this I just hate watching VR videos :( sounds epic though!
im really impressed that you can comment and still go that fast round the track in that 600bhp tram
205 masterrace
Nah, the Audi is the Group B icon of all times.
She's a demon she tell us faster... faster. faster. faster!!! And then the slide come in and we put in the screen the brake and shift pedals it's so satisfying to drive her 😂😂😂
That's some pretty good driving! That's how I have to drive my Audis in winter as well, although not that fast, still the same "problem".
There is just something about throwing Audis around that I love. it's really raw but on the same time delicate and challenging.
In the Quattro if you loss control to understeer, get the wheels straight, hard tap the breaks, turn the way you have to go and apply much power!
The progress that this man has made in 2 years is insanity. Good job Jimmer, keep it going strong!
For all of you interested in seeing that car in action in real life a German RUclips-channel has a few videos with the S1 in it. The last one from the Wörthersee and the pikes peak ones. Although you might not understand what he is saying it's still incredible to look at.
Very funny how he speaks about how the car behaves and feels as if he was "there" considering all the un-real stuff behind a computer game. Anyway, I like how passionate he is.
That drifting S corner around 4:40 was super impressive! My hats off to you good sir!
I think it would be interesting if all of Nords was dirt or gravel and u were sliding this car around in the corners...that video would be EPIC!!!
The sound of that turbo just chirping away 👌👌
Jimmy's voice over the headset is great reminds of Murray Walker "And were go go go for the start of the formula 1 season"
I love the detail in assetto corsa! They left the writing on the track and everything!
And those cuts! I think that is where the advantage was.
I used to play with the Audi Quattro, Toyota Tacoma and Suzuki Escudo Pikes peak specials, on extreme tarmac setups, around Nordscheilfe in rFactor 1. Decent fun.
"Driven like an absolute pleb" - Jimmy, do you actually have ANY idea how the rest of us would perform ? :D THAT WAS A MAD DRIVE, LOVE YOU DUDE
Hi, young group B lover here. Just bumped into your videos Jimmy, and wow. I cant deice if Im watching you driving, our your heeltoe technique, so amazing.
Just gonna leave a few things I think are kinda ridiculous about this car.
Official highest BHP was 590 (Rally Finland, 1985). Stiq Blomqvist said, that S1 E2 produced short-term horspower arround 1000BHP at the test.
There are also rumours (dunno if its true) that in the car, there was a button that made turbo produce bigger PSI, so car was close to 1000HP.
The bodykit that E2 used was producing 500KG downforce (the fuck, in 80's?!)
Walter Rohrl said this "With this car, you have to think two corners ahead...finding the correct balance betweet a decent pace and outright speed was a big challenge." He gave the E2 its only WRC win at the 85 Sanremo Rally.
Reall horsepower of this car is rumored somewhere arround 600-700HP.
Michele Mouton stated, that quattro could spin wheels in every gear, crazy to imagine.
Pikes-peak version of quattro had 1000KGs, and 600hp officialy. But PP version had very larger supercharger (K28..) so insiders of that era claimed, that this car was close to thousand horsepower. Then, Walter himself said, that car had 750HP.
Before group B ban, there was already new evolution in works, it was basically mid engined audi sport quattro. You can find some black and white pictures in google by searching "audi sport quattro S2". Fun fact - this car, alongside sport quattro and S1 E2 was tested few kilometers away from me! :)
To update, it has limited slip torsen differentials all around. They work by gears, allowing the wheels to turn at different speeds, but not for one wheel to stip completely.
Audi was actually one of the heaviest cars. If you look at the Peugeot or Lancia the power/weight ratio is even crazier.
That monster just clawed its way out of every turn like an angry badger. Awesome.
It sounded like a lambo. Loved it!!
id love to have jimmer give a very brief run down on the handling of each car in AC so you somewhat know what to expect/how to change your driving style to meet the needs of the cars