G'day Nick, thats awesome. Would love to see it when you install it. We don't have much experience with centrifugal blowers so would be very interesting.
Good informative video, for me a blast from the past to. I was in that VR Clubby at 5:33 a few times , he was into real estate from memory and mates with my mate....it was stupid fast back then and I was in owe of that car. You have a picture blue SS hatch on your shed walI, also remember going to the house of the owner of that blue SS Torana during its build, he lived in Queanbeyan and initials were WW from memory. Bloody nice Torana and worth some big $$ now I suspect. On a side note I was tossing up between a Harrop 2300 from my VE SSV but ended up going with a full bottom end engine build, monster F35 cam, PRC heads etc etc. Love forced induction my whole life, but strangely changed paths for some reason.
G'day mate, yes I fondly remember that VR Clubby. Pulford used to drag it down the main drag in Mitchell and I would be in love 😍. I owned the Blue Torana after a mate of mine bought it from the bloke in Queanbeyan. I spent a skwillion in it too! Nice work on rebuilding your 6.0L in the VE. Any plans to take it to the track?
@@ClunieGarage Hey, that was one sick Torana, hope you don't have sellers remorse mate. Not sure on the direction I'm going with the VE, want to keep it as much of a street build as possible. Would probably look into getting a dedicated track car tbh, that idea has been circulating in the back of my mind for a while to. On a side note, do you have any recommendation on VE coil overs for enthusiastic street use? I see you guys sort of recommend BC for entry lever track use, but it's a mixed bag of reviews on these. I'm ok to spend a bit more for the right product!! Thanks in advance...cheers
LSA the world ! Interested to see if you do go down the road of a LSA . I am after the 2650 LSA from Harrop myself . Once i get the cam in my GTS , ill go the 2650 LSA
G'day Curtis, yes the 2650 is a much bigger unit than the factory LSA blower. More air capacity means you don't need to spin the blower as hard and generate as much heat.
@clunie garage - Kong performance has a lsa upgrade to replace the factory blower from 1900cc to 2650cc And they also have their new dual pass billet intercooler lid which is a mega piece of engineering! For your supercharged rig on the track I would hit up Forced induction Technologies and enquirer about their inter chiller kits which keep your intake temps below ambient - ensuring as you drive around the track your efficiency in continuously creating peak horsepower is retained and no thermal heat soak is experienced
If you're thinking of a supercharger, do it, you won't look back. I got a Magnuson heartbeat 2.3L on mine, plus race cam, went from 225rwkw to 453rwkw. Running 10psi, can go as high as 17.
I kick myself for not buying a few LS3 crate motors when they where 7500 a few years back. Also have you seen the built crate motors from LSXperformance? They seem pretty good bang for buck
G'day mate, I know us too. We were seriously going to squirrel away a couple of lsa engines but at the time I had to secure the LS7. Prices have gone crazy. Lsx built engines look very nice and you have the flexibility of choosing your block, cams, heads and pistons.
G'day Sam, our red VF is no longer registered as it is a dedicated track car. It also has too many modifications to the exhaust, supercharger and engine that would make it impossible to get engineered and it is far from being suitable to be driven on the road!
I think you could do a couple more in depth vids on this topic. Like, how does it affect the cars computer? Do you need to get an aftermarket tuner like HP or Holley? Do you need to have forged internals? Why do most car manufacturers install Eaton superchargers but when adding a SC most are looking at whipple, magnuson, and harrop in AU? What's with the "dont do it for dale?" Is that a nod or a slam to cleetus?
G'day Eddie, we will look to do a follow up video in the future, thanks for the tip. A couple of quick answers for you in the meantime. Once you add the supercharger hardware, you will need to increase your fuel delivery through either bigger injectors and fuel supply delivery. This will need to be tuned through the ECU and in many cases you can use the standard factory ECU in late model Holden Commodres. Forged internals are not entirely necessary unless you are looking at massive boost and in those cases you should be looking at lower compression pistons, head studs, ring gaps and a whole lot of other mods. If you are looking at conservative boost (5-8 psi), a healthy standard engine is normally OK. Car manufacturers like GM typically use eaton twin screw rotating assemblies in their factory superchargers in models such as the HSV GTS and Camaro ZL series. You will actually find that popular supercharger manufacturers like Harrop also use eaton twin screw components inside their blowers. The "Do it for Brocky" is a huge nod to Cleetus and call for all car enthusiasts to remember the king of the mountain in the same way US enthusiasts remember Dale E.
@@ClunieGarage alright!! Thank you for the reply and clarifying you're sign out phrase. I'm a subscriber so I'll be looking forward to more commodore content!!!
Such a good one thanks ! Earlier this year and after 20 years dreaming of buying a v8 I bought a 2016 redline with low ks. I will eventually do some mods but one thing holding me back from a blower is whether you can have too much power for a road car? Would it be a waste if I'm never taking to the track ?
Gday matey, hope you're well! You know you are going to talk me into going Supercharged aren't ya? 😂 P.S - I watched Mad Max 1 in 4k the other night, such a bloody classic!
i have a e1 gts ls3 i heard if you put a lsa on it will bend rods like spagetti as it has higer torque down low and is to highly efficient for a ve ls3 , im guessing i would have to run boost aroun 10 and no more
G'day, we safely ran our L77 engine on 8-10 psi for over two years. Key thing is to have an appropriate tune and fuel delivery. These blowers aren't like turbos in terms of bending rods. Of course the pistons and lifters will soon let you know if you are pushing too much boost!
i have a friend that has a built Dart block with a 2650 charger ...last time it was on the dyno it made 930kw at the wheels....nice results if you got very deep pockets lol
G'day mate, I may be a little biased as I have had several Harrops, but from we have heard and seen at the tune shop, the underneath design seems to work better. You can get spacer plates and other intercooler goodies to manage heat soak as well on both types of blowers.
@@ClunieGarage did you put any of the spacers on your set-ups so far? I've got them for mine thats in the process of being built. A little worried about hood clearance though!
G'day mate, no I haven't used spacers to date, but the tune shop is exploring an intercooler mod with me at the moment on the 2650 which I will share on the channel if we move forward with it.
Here is the latest update. Roll cage is in, fabricator fitting blanking panels to seal the boot and firewall next week and fuel system has nearly arrived from the US. We are planning for a shakedown run in late April if all the stars align and FedEx dont lose the fuel system!!
G'day mate, yes we might do a turbo episode! We don't have a huge amount of experience with hair dryers apart from my type-r. We will do some research and see how we go!
I'm on the other fence I think your bang for buck isn't that good their are limits to those supercharges I'm currently about to jump in the boosted camp but for the $18k+ $1500 set ups for hp gain isn't that great if I paid the $20k to set up my VE and supercharger and I took it to the drags and got beat by a turbo Barra I wouldn't be a happy camper, so I've been looking in to both and it keeps coming up that a turbo is a better and cheaper way to go I can put an s498 98mm turbo on my ve for a whisker over $6.5k, and still have enough left for a 413 stroker, a haltech and be pretty easy 800-900hp 9 sec pass and I've done my homework on it and the harrop 2300 and 2650 aren't to best ones to get, so I'm mulling it over quite a lot, food for thought
G'day mate, I have seen the crate engine available to purchase but I haven't seen anyone do the actual install yet. Would be interesting to see a VF with one fitted.
G'day Zed, it all comes down to your budget, power output expectations future plans and whether you have already performed mods to your L77. I started modding my L77 and then put the 2300 Harrop on it. Transformed the car. However, if I had my time again, and I hadnt started modifying the L77, I would probably go for a brand new LSA. No DoD to deal with, you can run moore boost with lower comp pistons and you have a very special combo out of the crate.
10 to 16K LOL More like 25K thats with all up labour and full exhaust and tune etc., then add the cam and heads which adds at least 150Kw easy above the 400KW, but is it worth it on a stock engine ye if you going to just rev it here or there, but for drags and st hi end type driving, so no more than the speed limit total waste of money if you ask me, even if i had the cash i would not do it, basically each to their own, like my redline its stock and i am keeping it stock which are asking more than what i paid for it now, over 50K and thats one with over 90K on the clock even Redbook values have gone up over 5 k just from last year values, as soon as you do it up ie: supercharger the new buyers always know it was thrashed and you never get your money back on those mods no matter which car it is?
G'day, when we first fitted the 2300 Harrop bolt on supercharger to the L77 in the VF Redline, it was $16k drive in and drive out. That included a HSV diff gear set and new bushes. We already had the other mods fitted (e.g. otr, headers).
No one likes stock Redlines 707, that is why you are watching vids of 7 litre supercharged Redlines instead of punting yours around Phillip Island at full noise.
I have not seen any rod failures, if the piston falls apart it results in rod damage. Most issues seem to be with the pistons and a large amount of them are from not enough ring gap.
Gen 3 rods are the problem and the knock due to not having a floating pin design. Gen 4 are fine, but like said already it's the pistons. Actually the rods are a problem because they aren't a 6.125" stroker length😉
I have a Vortech V3 T trim ready to go on my L98 VE SS. Always been a centrifugal fan over the positive displacement blowers
G'day Nick, thats awesome. Would love to see it when you install it. We don't have much experience with centrifugal blowers so would be very interesting.
Hell yeah Fred! Been waiting for ya videos every day! keep up the good work!
G'daymate, enjoy todays video. Another one coming tomorrow hopefully on part 2 of our coilover install on the VE ute.
That scene 🎬 never gets old!
Good informative video, for me a blast from the past to. I was in that VR Clubby at 5:33 a few times , he was into real estate from memory and mates with my mate....it was stupid fast back then and I was in owe of that car. You have a picture blue SS hatch on your shed walI, also remember going to the house of the owner of that blue SS Torana during its build, he lived in Queanbeyan and initials were WW from memory. Bloody nice Torana and worth some big $$ now I suspect. On a side note I was tossing up between a Harrop 2300 from my VE SSV but ended up going with a full bottom end engine build, monster F35 cam, PRC heads etc etc. Love forced induction my whole life, but strangely changed paths for some reason.
G'day mate, yes I fondly remember that VR Clubby. Pulford used to drag it down the main drag in Mitchell and I would be in love 😍. I owned the Blue Torana after a mate of mine bought it from the bloke in Queanbeyan. I spent a skwillion in it too! Nice work on rebuilding your 6.0L in the VE. Any plans to take it to the track?
@@ClunieGarage Hey, that was one sick Torana, hope you don't have sellers remorse mate. Not sure on the direction I'm going with the VE, want to keep it as much of a street build as possible. Would probably look into getting a dedicated track car tbh, that idea has been circulating in the back of my mind for a while to. On a side note, do you have any recommendation on VE coil overs for enthusiastic street use? I see you guys sort of recommend BC for entry lever track use, but it's a mixed bag of reviews on these. I'm ok to spend a bit more for the right product!! Thanks in advance...cheers
Boost in Commodore is a positive experience pun intended !
Sort of!
LSA the world !
Interested to see if you do go down the road of a LSA .
I am after the 2650 LSA from Harrop myself . Once i get the cam in my GTS , ill go the 2650 LSA
G'day Curtis, yes the 2650 is a much bigger unit than the factory LSA blower. More air capacity means you don't need to spin the blower as hard and generate as much heat.
After you put a 2650 on your beast your old LSA blower would go nice on my little LS1.
@@mikenolan3060 Would be a great video to do up for my channel doing a LSA install on LS1
Curtis, you should do a collaborative vid with Clunie Garage and stick the standard blower on Black Betty!
@@angry9901 sounds like a plan !
Another amazing video. Much appreciated mate.
No worries and glad you liked it!
Love your work Fred! Are you going to supercharge the ute?
G'day Gary, at this stage our build is going to be a high compression, big cam, angry na build!
@clunie garage - Kong performance has a lsa upgrade to replace the factory blower from 1900cc to 2650cc
And they also have their new dual pass billet intercooler lid which is a mega piece of engineering! For your supercharged rig on the track I would hit up Forced induction Technologies and enquirer about their inter chiller kits which keep your intake temps below ambient - ensuring as you drive around the track your efficiency in continuously creating peak horsepower is retained and no thermal heat soak is experienced
Just started watching your vid and could just see poking out under your sleeve your a really good bloke .
What was poking out under the sleeve? I will have to watch the vid again to see what I missed.
Ah, you are a Rabbitohs fan!!! Me too, go the bunnies!!
If you're thinking of a supercharger, do it, you won't look back. I got a Magnuson heartbeat 2.3L on mine, plus race cam, went from 225rwkw to 453rwkw. Running 10psi, can go as high as 17.
Nice one mate. We have fitted two of the Harrop blowers to our VF race car and they make massive performance gains!
@@ClunieGarage Yeah Harrop rules mate, I've.got the ultimate brakes kit.fitted, not cheap but they work great and they look awesome
I kick myself for not buying a few LS3 crate motors when they where 7500 a few years back. Also have you seen the built crate motors from LSXperformance? They seem pretty good bang for buck
G'day mate, I know us too. We were seriously going to squirrel away a couple of lsa engines but at the time I had to secure the LS7. Prices have gone crazy. Lsx built engines look very nice and you have the flexibility of choosing your block, cams, heads and pistons.
Good video Fred. That's got my mind thinking man.. .. .. 🤔
G'day Steven, a few options for you to ponder!!! Supercharger life!! 🤩🤑🤠
ur red vf/ve that's supercharged, do u just not register that coz I don't know how u would get that registered
G'day Sam, our red VF is no longer registered as it is a dedicated track car. It also has too many modifications to the exhaust, supercharger and engine that would make it impossible to get engineered and it is far from being suitable to be driven on the road!
I think you could do a couple more in depth vids on this topic. Like, how does it affect the cars computer? Do you need to get an aftermarket tuner like HP or Holley? Do you need to have forged internals? Why do most car manufacturers install Eaton superchargers but when adding a SC most are looking at whipple, magnuson, and harrop in AU?
What's with the "dont do it for dale?" Is that a nod or a slam to cleetus?
G'day Eddie, we will look to do a follow up video in the future, thanks for the tip. A couple of quick answers for you in the meantime. Once you add the supercharger hardware, you will need to increase your fuel delivery through either bigger injectors and fuel supply delivery. This will need to be tuned through the ECU and in many cases you can use the standard factory ECU in late model Holden Commodres. Forged internals are not entirely necessary unless you are looking at massive boost and in those cases you should be looking at lower compression pistons, head studs, ring gaps and a whole lot of other mods. If you are looking at conservative boost (5-8 psi), a healthy standard engine is normally OK. Car manufacturers like GM typically use eaton twin screw rotating assemblies in their factory superchargers in models such as the HSV GTS and Camaro ZL series. You will actually find that popular supercharger manufacturers like Harrop also use eaton twin screw components inside their blowers. The "Do it for Brocky" is a huge nod to Cleetus and call for all car enthusiasts to remember the king of the mountain in the same way US enthusiasts remember Dale E.
@@ClunieGarage alright!! Thank you for the reply and clarifying you're sign out phrase. I'm a subscriber so I'll be looking forward to more commodore content!!!
Such a good one thanks ! Earlier this year and after 20 years dreaming of buying a v8 I bought a 2016 redline with low ks. I will eventually do some mods but one thing holding me back from a blower is whether you can have too much power for a road car? Would it be a waste if I'm never taking to the track ?
Nar man. How many hsv’s do ya see at the track not all that many. I’d do it but do everything else. Diff, tyres, suspension, brakes, etc
Gday matey, hope you're well!
You know you are going to talk me into going Supercharged aren't ya? 😂
P.S - I watched Mad Max 1 in 4k the other night, such a bloody classic!
G'day mate, how good is Mad Max!! You know you want a supercharger! You only live once 😀🤩😛
I really want to supercharge my evoke, even though it’s a 3l v6 it literally would just rip and so many people would wanna do it
Love to get one for my vf
G'day mate, save your pennies, you only live once!!
@@ClunieGarage true that 🤟🤟
My mouth is watering lol
G'day mate, save your pennies and get yourself one!
Baby steps lol! Doing otr exhaust and tune as entree hehe
Now you’ve got me thinking....speed is just a matter of money. It’s only money lol
i have a e1 gts ls3 i heard if you put a lsa on it will bend rods like spagetti as it has higer torque down low and is to highly efficient for a ve ls3 , im guessing i would have to run boost aroun 10 and no more
G'day, we safely ran our L77 engine on 8-10 psi for over two years. Key thing is to have an appropriate tune and fuel delivery. These blowers aren't like turbos in terms of bending rods. Of course the pistons and lifters will soon let you know if you are pushing too much boost!
i have a friend that has a built Dart block with a 2650 charger ...last time it was on the dyno it made 930kw at the wheels....nice results if you got very deep pockets lol
G'day Michael, absolutely. Our build on the VF redline is a LS7 engine with the 2650. Stonking torque and horsepower. A real Frankenstein!! 🤠👹
Want to do my ve ute but no one around my area wants to do it..
love it 👍
Glad you like it Lenny!
Thoughts on the intercooler on top (lsa 1900/ heartbeat) vs underneath (Harrop FDFI) ?
G'day mate, I may be a little biased as I have had several Harrops, but from we have heard and seen at the tune shop, the underneath design seems to work better. You can get spacer plates and other intercooler goodies to manage heat soak as well on both types of blowers.
@@ClunieGarage did you put any of the spacers on your set-ups so far?
I've got them for mine thats in the process of being built.
A little worried about hood clearance though!
G'day mate, no I haven't used spacers to date, but the tune shop is exploring an intercooler mod with me at the moment on the 2650 which I will share on the channel if we move forward with it.
I want the hole in the bonnet😅
when are you going to upload the VF racing, looks like she is all go but no show mate?
Here is the latest update. Roll cage is in, fabricator fitting blanking panels to seal the boot and firewall next week and fuel system has nearly arrived from the US. We are planning for a shakedown run in late April if all the stars align and FedEx dont lose the fuel system!!
Try to keep up 707, I think the stuff you are smoking is effecting your memory. There was a vid showing the VF pulled apart in the workshop.
So turbocharged next?
G'day mate, yes we might do a turbo episode! We don't have a huge amount of experience with hair dryers apart from my type-r. We will do some research and see how we go!
I'm on the other fence I think your bang for buck isn't that good their are limits to those supercharges I'm currently about to jump in the boosted camp but for the $18k+ $1500 set ups for hp gain isn't that great if I paid the $20k to set up my VE and supercharger and I took it to the drags and got beat by a turbo Barra I wouldn't be a happy camper, so I've been looking in to both and it keeps coming up that a turbo is a better and cheaper way to go I can put an s498 98mm turbo on my ve for a whisker over $6.5k, and still have enough left for a 413 stroker, a haltech and be pretty easy 800-900hp 9 sec pass and I've done my homework on it and the harrop 2300 and 2650 aren't to best ones to get, so I'm mulling it over quite a lot, food for thought
Hey mate. What headers are you running on the vf?
Gday, DPF ceramic coated. They are now made by manta.
Has anyone done a VF/Chevy SS LT4?
G'day mate, I have seen the crate engine available to purchase but I haven't seen anyone do the actual install yet. Would be interesting to see a VF with one fitted.
@@ClunieGarage would love to see it. A nice ZL1 style VF
@@RED0N3 you betcha, I will keep my eye out!! 🤠😎
Are you related to the "Big Red One"?
@@angry9901 can’t say I am sorry. Maybe a distant relation. Like a 3rd cousin aunties half uncle mums hairdresser related.
How much was your Frankenstein build Fred?
G'day Tom, thats a answer to be shared over a beer away from the eyes and ears of Mrs Fred!!
Is it worth supercharging the L77? Or should I just save my money and wait to buy a crate LSA or something..
G'day Zed, it all comes down to your budget, power output expectations future plans and whether you have already performed mods to your L77. I started modding my L77 and then put the 2300 Harrop on it. Transformed the car. However, if I had my time again, and I hadnt started modifying the L77, I would probably go for a brand new LSA. No DoD to deal with, you can run moore boost with lower comp pistons and you have a very special combo out of the crate.
@@ClunieGarage Beauty, thanks for the reply mate. Glad I found your channel!
$19,000 for a LSA from Holmart. Every boy should have one.
10 to 16K LOL More like 25K thats with all up labour and full exhaust and tune etc., then add the cam and heads which adds at least 150Kw easy above the 400KW, but is it worth it on a stock engine ye if you going to just rev it here or there, but for drags and st hi end type driving, so no more than the speed limit total waste of money if you ask me, even if i had the cash i would not do it, basically each to their own, like my redline its stock and i am keeping it stock which are asking more than what i paid for it now, over 50K and thats one with over 90K on the clock even Redbook values have gone up over 5 k just from last year values, as soon as you do it up ie: supercharger the new buyers always know it was thrashed and you never get your money back on those mods no matter which car it is?
G'day, when we first fitted the 2300 Harrop bolt on supercharger to the L77 in the VF Redline, it was $16k drive in and drive out. That included a HSV diff gear set and new bushes. We already had the other mods fitted (e.g. otr, headers).
No one likes stock Redlines 707, that is why you are watching vids of 7 litre supercharged Redlines instead of punting yours around Phillip Island at full noise.
Put a blower on dude.. that will cheer you up 😀
Is a crate motor the same as a palet motor.......lol, there both made of wood......lol
Possibly!
Best comment ever.funny bastard,
LSA are around 37 thousand now covid taxes lol
So many wheels so little time
If you want real horsepower with reliability you should change the cast pistons and rods for forged. (Stoc
k rods are powdered forged not real forged)
G'day Jordan, yes forged pistons and rods are good ideas if you are looking at adding lots of boost. As is a iron block.
I have not seen any rod failures, if the piston falls apart it results in rod damage. Most issues seem to be with the pistons and a large amount of them are from not enough ring gap.
Gen 3 rods are the problem and the knock due to not having a floating pin design. Gen 4 are fine, but like said already it's the pistons. Actually the rods are a problem because they aren't a 6.125" stroker length😉
Tempted......
G'day Carrie, you only live once!
How much is it for an aftermarket bolt on supercharger for VF Commodore ?
G'day, about $13k for this particular model --> www.harrop.com.au/shop/tvs2650-holden-ve-vf-commodore