Unfortunately the radio receiver cannot pick up transmission from too far away by 324WL and Reliant but that was really intense and NOT JUSTIFIED at all. Would I be pilot of any of those airplanes - even if not involved like 55H also getting yelled at - and am definitely calling that number to request good explanations.
no way. the pilots should comply. they should also provide the information being requested. the pilots should have a plan especially when doing practice approaches
@@soccerguy2433 We don't know the full picture since we are unable to hear most of RLI and 324WL transmissions. We don't know what they wanted, needed or replied but still his reaction to everybody is out of boundaries.
what we do know is tower asked 5 times where 234 was going and told them 3 times to turn south and they didn't. Told 379 to do a 360 5 times? Raising his voice is not the issue here.
@@naughtyskweet6 these guys also yelled at the pilot but the feeling is different. Their attitude is different. Can you tell the difference? ruclips.net/video/k2ro39RUCeA/видео.htmlsi=B46g4C7OlYslhb1f
lol I was in 8261H as all This was unfolding… 234WL in a nutshell said “I’m out of your airspace and VFR I don’t need to tell you where I’m going”. Instant trigger
This is very similar to the video a couple weeks ago that had an aircraft that was in echo space interfering with incoming TEB traffic, then. 234WL was technically entitled to do whatever he wanted. He didn't even need a transponder or a radio where he was. That said, if I were a pilot and ATC gave me some helpful advice that I was risking a mid-air collision I probably would have had the courtesy of doing something about it.
To provide some additional context on the missing transmissions as someone who was in the pattern. All of the questions and instructions were responded to by both 2WL and RLI379, but if the initial words were not to the controllers liking, he would step on the rest of the transmission to repeat the request in a very loud fashion, unlike anything I’ve personally witnessed from ATC before as a professional pilot. Both aircraft were VFR and outside the Class D when their “conflict” occurred. As you can see, they are separated by at least 500 feet, and a mile or 2. After tower called for the initial left 360, 379 replied that they had traffic in sight, and that it wouldn’t be a factor. That probably should have been the end of it, as they were vfr. Obviously it wasn’t. I’m not qualified to say what’s appropriate for a controller to do in any given situation, as I’m not one myself, but this incident left a bad taste in the mouth of everyone involved. Clearly the controller was concerned for safety, but it seemed like he allowed the stress to get to him too much when dealing with aircraft that were outside of his control.
@thatairplaneguy These contract tower controllers are always sounding way too stressed and just like they have no idea what they are doing. I know they are short staffed, and conditions are just miserable, but they all seem old grumpy and like they should not be doing this anymore. FAA should never have contracted them out, it is a safety issue.
@@cherokeeflyer9669 I’m sorry but that’s just not how it works for VFR aircraft, and this mindset can get you killed. If ATC has not “cleared” you, i.e on and IFR flight plan or in Class B airspace, then they are under no obligation to separate you from other aircraft, and you are under no obligation to follow their instructions when it comes to said separation. ATC does an excellent job of providing traffic calls when they can, but they can miss stuff, as I have personally witnessed many times. A Class D control tower exists to provide adequate separation on the runway, that’s all. Any service beyond that is out of a desire to not see a mid air collision in their airspace, and only if they have the extra time to provide it. You cannot rely solely on this as a VFR pilot. I recommend Paul Bertorellis Avweb video on VFR Control Towers, as he can explain it better and more entertainingly than me
TBF, he melted down when multiple aircraft appeared to be ignoring him and were headed toward each other. But yeah, the meltdown just made everything much worse. I suspect he just needed a Snickers bar.
You're right, can make a huge difference, also because of the second of distraction, I bet. It resets the brain a little. (Taking treats to people to defuse or avoid tension and distract and relax people is something that I already started doing as a child, I now realise. I wonder where I got that from my)
I HAVE SO MANY AIRCRAFT TO CONTROL! (Has 4 aircraft in the pattern.) I hope someone reports these kind of interactions to the FAA. 4 planes in your pattern is not a lot.
@@MeerkatADV yep he only had 3, and one that hesitated when told to avoid traffic that wasn't in the way at all. And at the moment you can see the uncontrolled aircraft decend, and ATC thanks him. My guess is 379 thought the situation was resolved and the turn wasn't needed.
This dude doesn’t need to control anything. If 6 aircraft freaks him out this bad then he isn’t cutout for this. This coming from a pilot and former controller
If i ever enter an airspace with a controller yelling like that, as long as i got fuel.....im staying outta that airspace. No sense putting yourself in a situation like that. Controller has lost control and situational awarness is destroyed
I think this was anger-induced panic lol. Apparently the guy told him he didn't need to tell him where he was headed because he was outside of his airspace, and that brazenness by the pilot caused the controller to have a whole meltdown
This air traffic controller sounds like he's close to a nervous breakdown. The pilots not doing what he wants them to do when he wants them to do it, is merely the spark that ignites the explosive fuel mixture.
I instructed out of this airport for years and several of these aircraft are based in DXR. After years of dealing with this attitude some pilots will get angry over the radio and talk back. Good job to the pilots who kept it professional after all his yelling
Anger issues aside, this controller needs some training on how to clear aircraft to land too. Most of the clearances he doesn't say the runway. In this instance it's obvious everyone is landing 8, but DXR has an intersecting runway so he really should be calling it out every time
He doesn't know left from right either, hard to consistently turn when he keeps mixing them up. Also he interrupted their responses. On a radio. Lunatic.
That was my first thought too but given how much transmissions are missing from that aircraft I'm thinking he was talking and the ATC just wanted him to shut up, not leave the frequency.
@@KyleClericoyes, but non standard coms causes problems like that. Plus he told them to shut up because they were explaining they were unable to comply how he wished and that made him maaaaad.
@@KyleClericohe wasn’t even talking to a real person. He said “4HW” when there’s a “4HL” in the pattern and a “R1H” in the pattern. We can assume he meant “4HL” but this is why radio communications are to be clear, concise, and of course CORRECT.
I'm surprised none of the pilots declared rogue tower communications. ATC never yells or verbally abuses pilots, therefore it should be disregarded. ATC is in this case soft incapacitated. What a power trip lunatic. Do you know what an ATC doesn't do if it detects a hazard? Get angry. This guy needs out of aviation. This behaviour forces real collisions. Especially a controller that can't tell right from left.
Wow! That was pretty horrific... It is difficult to find any transmissions from that controller that used standard phraseology. He didn't even specify the runway he was clearing people to land on... Has he received any training at all?
The fact that all the pilots had to ask for clearance is crazy. He threw that one guy onto a short final and they handled it really well but still had to ask for clearance. The worst though is telling the reliant to make a left 360, waiting a bit, then demanding "That" turn NOW", and then changing said turn to a right turn, only to complain the guy currently in a emergency tight 360 left turn as ordered isn't turning right fast enough. Ridiculous.
Yeah I caught the missing runway too. It could have just been me, but I felt like the way the Reliant replied with the runway number was to kind of jab the controller for giving incorrect clearance after all that. Also, should he not have cancelled the landing/approach clearance when he gave the instruction for Reliant to turn?
If you call for an aircraft to make a 360 then they are going to make a standard rate turn (3 degrees/second, turn completed in 2 minutes). So if you want them to turn faster, you need to call that out to begin with. This guy should know that.
If you're a pilot and you're listening to ATC and you hear a traffic conflict and the stress in the controller's voice, you're seriously gonna ignore that?
Except it depends on airspeed too. Turn too hard at low airspeed and it's a bad day. Pilots aviate first. Also, it's pretty likely that with WL directly in front and moving perpendicular they could see that the conflict was actually no factor. The atc initial instruction was a LEFT 360 which actually makes the conflict worse with WL crossing right to left... later he yells I need that turn, make a RIGHT 360.. he's so upset he's confusing his right and left... WL is Closer than desirable, but clearly not going to collide. The primary factor is the ATC staff having control issues.
@@GusHeck I understand that; I am a pilot. A plane should be able to make a standard rate turn, even in slow flight, and a standard rate turn is pretty much your default turn rate unless otherwise indicated.
Well in this situation if I know he’s got traffic right in front of me I’m definitely making a turn that’s greater than standard rate no questions asked lol
Looks to me like WL decided it wasn't worth the headache and just left. If he was out of the D airspace, which it looks like from the map that he was, the controller has no say in the matter.
Somebody above said they were actually in one of these aircraft and heard everything. That's what happened. "234WL in a nutshell said “I’m out of your airspace and VFR I don’t need to tell you where I’m going” "
Controller wasted so much time yelling at one aircraft when he could have been more adaptable to a fluid situation. Seems so concerned about two coming together yet he put a departure on the runway in front of a bird on short finale where the landing aircraft questioned her clearance to land. Years ago I worked with a controller who had a similar problem of yelling at pilots. He was from the big Apple and he was high strung. He Later bid out to Kennedy where I heard he did fine. Dansbury is a privately controlled facility so he was probably working alone.
Lol I think this guy or his twin works at JPX in the summer. Loses his mind if more than 4 planes are in the sky and starts yelling at everyone. Some poor Challenger pilot genuinely said thanks for your help to him and he blew up. Lots of NY controllers who get bounced end up as angry contract tower controllers.
This is reminding me of Northwest Airlink 5719 where the captain was just as angry at his colleagues for the simplest of things. Whatever what 324WL was doing, the controller was instilling fear in the other pilots under his watch with that tone of voice. They are worried that if they mess up they would also get a browbeating by the controller too. Being this angry in the aviation industry nine times out of ten never ends well.
This sounds really bad on the controller's part; stress is part of the job, and if he loses his temper like this on a regular basis he's definitely not suited for it. But I'm curious to hear the pilots' side of the story, as apparently they didn't want to do the 360's he requested for some reason? Too bad their radio calls weren't picked up.
Probably because he was on a 4 mile final and the crazy tower guy was telling him to make a 360 in a Citation jet only to tell an Arrow make a rushed turn from downwind into final in front of him for no apparent reason. None of it made sense.
There is zero chance this is the first blow up from this guy. Somebody, pilots, approach controllers, center controllers, have to have some stories about his guy.
Somebody needs anger management intervention!! That totally unacceptable. I've been in numerous very stressful situations over my 30yrs service as a Firefighter/ EMS Medical First Responder. Multiple fatality, explosions, structure fire and helicopter crashes. You MUST keep a calm and well enunciated voice. Our best 911 Dispatchers are always calm and that helps keep commanders at IC calm.
@@RT-qd8yl only time is during a 'Firefighter Down' Mayday. Sometimes the roar (especially in Interor Attack situations) makes radio traffic a tad hard understand without yelling. But once radio is held except for the Mayday & PAR accounting...should need too.
@@SMichaelDeHart We had the little voice amps for our masks to try to avoid that issue. Half the time they were great, half the time they were useless.
I disagree. How would you get a point across to an idiot on the other end of the line? By saying the same thing nicely one more time? "Hi Honey. If you keep that up you'll crash into that other aircraft over there. But never mind, I'll write a nice obit for you."
The gap between the best of controllers and the worst is kind of horrifying. I’ve been lucky in recent years to have nothing but good but I’ve had a few basket cases in the past…
I go to a Part 141 and it can get pretty hectic for our controllers. During a checkride on departure there was 6 aircraft in the pattern and more ready to depart. If this guy can't handle the 4 planes he has now, I'd hate to see what he would do in the non-radar environment at my school.
This guy needs to be fired immediately. As a controller, I'm deeply embarrassed by this guy. This has to be the single most unprofessional and incompetent behavior I've ever heard on frequency from a controller. If you can't maintain even a little bit of composure and professionalism with ONE difficult pilot on frequency, you have no business doing this job. Not to mention, even when he was initially calm there wasn't a single transmission made with correct phraseology. The possibility that this guy causes a collision is unacceptably high.
Crazy to see my home airport on this channel! Did all of my flight training out of here and yeah it can get very tense. It's an extremely busy Class D airspace. Gotta be on top of radio calls and know exactly what to expect.
Im good friends pilot who was flying WL. Weather was clear and nice, he was doing training with a newer captain in the aircraft. He was outside DXRs airspace the whole time, and after he was instructed to make another (they had been vectored around many more times than were in the video, and the controller had been rude with him up to this point) he simply requested he was going to cancel all his requests and proceed elsewhere. That’s when the controller lost his stuff. He had shifted his focus from trying to communicate with this controller to actually flying the airplane, and they proceeded visually northbound (which he told the tower he was going to do). He had visual contact with the other aircraft at all times (which wasn’t that close) and started helping the captain fly the aircraft.
He sounded like an absolute ass-hat. Hope your friend reported him. That attitude and lack of control of yourself is what will cause an accident. Imagine if you had to rely on him in an emergency…. Doesn’t bare thinking about. What a complete jerk.
I am neither a pilot nor a controller , but clearly this is wrong and could have gone the bad way. Justifying the ignorance with had visual contact all the time with other aircrafts is plain stupid. I hope I am never in a flight with pilots of this kind of attitude. Better wait and vector around till it is safe than go have a mid air collision and be gone forever.
Regardless of his feelings about being vectored and the attitude of the controller, how the fuck are you not gonna tell ATC what your intentions are when asked? Required or not that was ridiculous.
If you get an instruction from ATC you must comply. It doesn't matter if you cancel or not, if you don't have an emergency you need to comply. FAR 91-123.
The tower controller has had frequent moments just like these all the time…serious anger management issues. He takes it out upon all the pilots at a given time on the frequency...another problem with him, is when he issues an IFR clearance, instead of doing the classic CRAFT order, he flips the end part and states the transponder squawk code before the departure frequency!
Then get on the phone and file a complaint with the Department of Transportation Office of Inspector General (OIG) - they do NOT fuck around. Don't bother filing a complaint with the (useless) FAA.
Controller tells 34WL to fly 2 miles south then turn right. He does that, turns right, then controller yells at him that he hasn't given him clearance yet?
Controller: "Youre going to hit somebody" Also controller: *clears 87Y with traffic on final for take off* *cuts reliant 379 off with 55H* *tells 4WL to get off his freq then asks if they're still with him* Controller needs to go somewhere else
I've flown into Danbury Airport many times. This controller is easy to get spooled up and say foolish things with an attitude. It was a matter of time before he ended up in a situation like this. I personally have little respect for him as a controller.
NONE of this nonsense should be tolerated. Apparently, the controller had a bit too much coffee that day. Nonetheless, that interaction need to be brought to the attention of the supervisor and run it up the ladder.
Controllers aren’t super-human….they’re just…human. Everyone has a breaking point that on-the-job stressors and personal (outside of work) stressors can exacerbate. I’m assuming this controller doesn’t typically behave in this fashion. Clearly, some mental health intervention is needed. Either a long vacation or professional help….or something in between.
Well that was unsettling. I get what the ATC was concerned about. It almost seems like they were all having radio issues. Or maybe 324WL set off a chain reaction of fuckery? I really don't know what to make of that hash.
@@VASAviationHe'd make a great character for another Airplane movie. I'm picturing a guy that looks like Danny Devito, maybe heavier, Pepsi cans, coffee cups and burger wrappers everywhere, beats on the dashboard of his car in traffic, scares cats, birds and children...
I disagree. Was he supposed to use monotone voice when folks weren't responding? "Hey, yeah dude, if you keep going that way, you are going to like take out yourself and another aircraft, man."
He was actually asked to do a left 360, then told to do "that turn now" then told to do a right 360 while in the middle of the left 360, then chastised for not being able to make a right turn on a dime.
This controller is going to get somebody killed. He told 4WL to 'establish themselves' on the approach and then gets angry with them like that when they follow instructions? He crowds the final and then tells someone to takeoff without delay? He makes the jet fly around in circles so he can crowd the approach with a piston? Get a new career, dude.
Need the other side of comms to make any determination. It could be that ATC was giving bad instructions or it could be that N234WL was ignoring ATC and deliberately turning into traffic.
Absolutely unbelievable. There are so many qualities that ATC folks have which most of us don't - staying cool and calm in stressful situations is at the TOP of their list of traits, unlike most jobs in the world. This person clearly missed the memo here... I guess they passed training, but it doesn't seem like this was their calling AT ALL. Just for clarification, this was NOT A NEAR-MISS and this was NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. There's absolutely zero reason to be screaming at the top of your lungs literally distorting the mic yelling at a place to do a simple command that could be relayed with a perfectly normal transmission. I'm assuming this person didn't show up for work the next day - this is like insta-fire for a supervisor / management. Maybe ground controller (for the rest of your life?)
So he told Reliant 379 to do a left 360 then screamed at him when he was to do a right 360. He shouted and screeched at 4WL to the point where most people would have been confused about the instructions given. Also - him crying about how busy he is with 5 aircraft on screen is an absolute joke. If that’s how he sees it, it’s absolutely not the job for him. I hope he’s never allowed in a tower again. Imagine having him in charge of an emergency. TERRIFYING is how best to describe that. What a jerk.
He told Reliant 379 to do a left 360 when there was a conflict immediately ahead of them. RLI379 then made a *right* turn to proceed to the approach path completely ignoring the instruction. Then the controller still wanted the spacing the 360 would have provided and there was a new potential conflict with 55H if after a minute RLI379 decided to actually follow the previous instruction, so he told them to make a right 360. It's not an excuse for the controller, but there was sufficient time for RLI379 to comply with the instruction, and they completely ignored it and did what they wanted to do anyway. These are still cut for time, and there was a good 1-2 minutes of RLI379 not following instructions before the controller issued the right 360 instruction.
I've dealt with this controller many many times and he's usually pretty chill... unless you don't listen then he *may* blow up on you. It is worth noting the tower cannot see aircraft around the hills visually! They rely on radar most of the time for traffic avoidance, and with traffic not listening I can imagine it would be stressful.
This controller made a few mistakes that made it worse. 1:23 he said fly 2 miles south and make a right turn which would have put him on final going the wrong way. I suspect he meant HIS right which would have been a left for the aircraft. 4WL complied with the turn south but then I suspect got confused and didn't make the turn. Not sure what 4WL said at 2:25 that made the controller say he didn't give a clearance yet, he already had given him clearance to establish himself on final. Then at 3:53 he tells Reliant to make a left 360 which if the radar timing is correct would have put them in a situation where the turn would have kept them from seeing the traffic. Then at 4:33 he tells them to make a RIGHT 360. Dude needs to go back to kindergarten and learn the difference between left and right.
I am usually quick to take ATCs side because that job is stressful af and they deserve more grace than people usually give them but man this was just unacceptable. It's not the anger, it's the fact that instructions are overshadowed by the anger.
Dang, man. I can appreciate that was a stressful situation but that was an insane and unnecessary breach of professionalism. Telling the first aircraft on approach to hurry up because there's a jet coming in: Okay, and this is my problem how? You can extend their downwind or give them delay vectors. If I'm trying to fly a stabilized approach I'm going to fly the speed I need to fly. Being a jet does not make them more important. Meanwhile, WH and Reliant 379 need to work on communication and following instructions. What a Charlie-Foxtrot.
The controller simply should have given those aircraft instructions to enter the downwind and make sure they had aircraft in sight. He seemed to panic and that isn’t helpful.
Dude, regardless of where I am, if ATC tells me to turn south because I have someone coming at me, you’d better believe that I’m going to be banking into that turn before he even finishes the transmission. This is insane behavior, man…
Everyone hating on the controller, but I genuinely feel for him. Honestly when I saw N8261H turning towards base infront of the jet I thought.. this is gonna be interesting. Guy just wanted to prevent a crash and people aren't trying to help, that is a really difficult situation, and honestly, if a controller starts sounding urgent, thats a good job. Its the ones who sound like nothings wrong when they've nearly had a collision on take-off that I'm worried about. We're all human, voice infliction and tone matter. He might have gone a bit over the top, but if he's yelling because a mid air is about to happen, fine.
I wonder if the ATC transmitter is badly positioned so there are some directions and altitudes where you can’t hear ATC. Seems like a hell of a coincidence that several different aircraft weren’t responding to him, including some professional pilots in presumably well-equipped jets.
I really am looking at a lot of people in the comments, upset with the controller here, but for one thing, we're not actually hearing the transmissions from the other plane, and for another, I feel like he gave clear and immediate responses, and only started getting upset when two planes were literally on a collision course, and I got to be honest, if I'm telling two people not to fly into eachother, and both of them are just not listening to me, I'd be a bit stressed myself. Controllers are human, just like all of us, and watching two people get close enough to hit eachother has got to be hard to handle, especially when you're giving instructions to both pilots and they're just NOT listening. I'd probably need new pants after this, but the fact is, no one got hurt, and hopefully everyone took this as a learning experience, from the plane flying into landing traffic, and the plane trying to land on another aircraft, to the controller trying his best to keep everyone safe. That's the best anyone can hope for, just a learning experience
Yup! It seems as an observation on most of these types of videos, some people feel the pilot can NEVER be wrong and it's always the controller at fault. Typically citing their "tone" not being nice. As a pilot, just based off of the controller response, the pilots made the situation 10x worse and the controller, rightfully so, was stressed with two airplanes on a collision path and NOT listening to any instructions.
There are a couple of comments from people who were there and on frequency. Have a read of them. I can assure you, this whole thing was 100% the controllers fault. There isn't even the slightest hint of a grey area.
@@erauprcwa It's pretty clear it's a lot of non-pilots commenting. Every check ride has "Comply with ATC instructions" as a skill that needs to be demonstrated. Failure to comply with ATC instructions is a fail. There's no exception for VFR flights. If a pilot is unable, then they're supposed to say "Unable." and ATC is supposed to give alternative instructions. It's pretty clear from the video that WL decided they just didn't want to listen to ATC instructions.
Unfortunately the radio receiver cannot pick up transmission from too far away by 324WL and Reliant but that was really intense and NOT JUSTIFIED at all. Would I be pilot of any of those airplanes - even if not involved like 55H also getting yelled at - and am definitely calling that number to request good explanations.
no way. the pilots should comply. they should also provide the information being requested. the pilots should have a plan especially when doing practice approaches
@@soccerguy2433 We don't know the full picture since we are unable to hear most of RLI and 324WL transmissions. We don't know what they wanted, needed or replied but still his reaction to everybody is out of boundaries.
what we do know is tower asked 5 times where 234 was going and told them 3 times to turn south and they didn't. Told 379 to do a 360 5 times? Raising his voice is not the issue here.
@@naughtyskweet6 maybe it's not THE issue, but it's indeed AN issue. A big one.
@@naughtyskweet6 these guys also yelled at the pilot but the feeling is different. Their attitude is different. Can you tell the difference? ruclips.net/video/k2ro39RUCeA/видео.htmlsi=B46g4C7OlYslhb1f
lol I was in 8261H as all
This was unfolding… 234WL in a nutshell said “I’m out of your airspace and VFR I don’t need to tell you where I’m going”. Instant trigger
Oh, so you were on frequency. I though you were just transitioning but off frequency. What other comms do you recall from that day?
This is very similar to the video a couple weeks ago that had an aircraft that was in echo space interfering with incoming TEB traffic, then. 234WL was technically entitled to do whatever he wanted. He didn't even need a transponder or a radio where he was. That said, if I were a pilot and ATC gave me some helpful advice that I was risking a mid-air collision I probably would have had the courtesy of doing something about it.
Bless you for having to deal with this in real time
Thia was Danbury CT??? On a weekend that airport is full of small planes & students.
I'm shocked that such a small field is controlled. @@emmorelock
To provide some additional context on the missing transmissions as someone who was in the pattern. All of the questions and instructions were responded to by both 2WL and RLI379, but if the initial words were not to the controllers liking, he would step on the rest of the transmission to repeat the request in a very loud fashion, unlike anything I’ve personally witnessed from ATC before as a professional pilot. Both aircraft were VFR and outside the Class D when their “conflict” occurred. As you can see, they are separated by at least 500 feet, and a mile or 2. After tower called for the initial left 360, 379 replied that they had traffic in sight, and that it wouldn’t be a factor. That probably should have been the end of it, as they were vfr. Obviously it wasn’t. I’m not qualified to say what’s appropriate for a controller to do in any given situation, as I’m not one myself, but this incident left a bad taste in the mouth of everyone involved. Clearly the controller was concerned for safety, but it seemed like he allowed the stress to get to him too much when dealing with aircraft that were outside of his control.
That makes sense. Your analysis is pretty accurate. I've been at FRG for a long time and this dude really needs some therapy and training.
As a former controller I can say this was NOT professional or ok in any way. What you describe is grounds for termination where I’m from.
If you are talking to ATC you are in their control.
@thatairplaneguy These contract tower controllers are always sounding way too stressed and just like they have no idea what they are doing. I know they are short staffed, and conditions are just miserable, but they all seem old grumpy and like they should not be doing this anymore. FAA should never have contracted them out, it is a safety issue.
@@cherokeeflyer9669 I’m sorry but that’s just not how it works for VFR aircraft, and this mindset can get you killed. If ATC has not “cleared” you, i.e on and IFR flight plan or in Class B airspace, then they are under no obligation to separate you from other aircraft, and you are under no obligation to follow their instructions when it comes to said separation. ATC does an excellent job of providing traffic calls when they can, but they can miss stuff, as I have personally witnessed many times. A Class D control tower exists to provide adequate separation on the runway, that’s all. Any service beyond that is out of a desire to not see a mid air collision in their airspace, and only if they have the extra time to provide it. You cannot rely solely on this as a VFR pilot. I recommend Paul Bertorellis Avweb video on VFR Control Towers, as he can explain it better and more entertainingly than me
TBF, he melted down when multiple aircraft appeared to be ignoring him and were headed toward each other. But yeah, the meltdown just made everything much worse. I suspect he just needed a Snickers bar.
He's not him when he's hungry.
You're right, can make a huge difference, also because of the second of distraction, I bet. It resets the brain a little.
(Taking treats to people to defuse or avoid tension and distract and relax people is something that I already started doing as a child, I now realise. I wonder where I got that from my)
shouldve slept at a holiday inn express!
They weren’t ignoring him, the receiver just isn’t picking up their transmissions.
They're no 'TBF' about this. His conduct was ridiculous and honestly he has no business being a controller if that's how easily he gets rattled.
I HAVE SO MANY AIRCRAFT TO CONTROL!
(Has 4 aircraft in the pattern.)
I hope someone reports these kind of interactions to the FAA. 4 planes in your pattern is not a lot.
It becomes a lot when 2 of the 4 are ignoring your commands
The aircraft he was commanding was outside of his airspace.
@@MeerkatADV yep he only had 3, and one that hesitated when told to avoid traffic that wasn't in the way at all. And at the moment you can see the uncontrolled aircraft decend, and ATC thanks him. My guess is 379 thought the situation was resolved and the turn wasn't needed.
Unless you work the job you can keep the opinion to yourself and piss off
@@evanmcgrew400 you take pictures of planes for a living. Fuck off.
Homie saying “we’re not on final” killed me. I thought that line was gonna give the controller an actual heart attack 😂
It did apparently
This dude doesn’t need to control anything. If 6 aircraft freaks him out this bad then he isn’t cutout for this. This coming from a pilot and former controller
We were number 7 for departure at FMY today with multiple students in the pattern, mixed aircraft types, no drama
ATC : GET OFF MY FREQUENCY! GET AWAY !
Plane : aight
Also ATC 10 seconds later : hey you still here ?
🤣
He needed to write him up first 😅😅
Probably wanted to give him a phone number to call
Lol
I was thinking the same thing lmao 😂
If i ever enter an airspace with a controller yelling like that, as long as i got fuel.....im staying outta that airspace. No sense putting yourself in a situation like that. Controller has lost control and situational awarness is destroyed
7600 (because ATC obviously is having a comms failure) and I'ma GTFO of there.
@@gobdeep 😆😆😆 smart man
"Anger" from "Inside Out" gets a job as ATC.
😂
Well, Anxiety was predicting multiple midair collisions!
@@xheralt "Meh" - Ennui
Hahah. Comment of the day
Hate to say, anixity from inside out 2
This was panic induced anger. He seemed to be very worried about a mid-air collision
Or, he just picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue 😂
@@vernonsmithee792 or the wrong week to quit amphetamines
RLI379 and 55H on a head on collision course would have me worried!
Right. I want to know why Reliant was not complying
I think this was anger-induced panic lol. Apparently the guy told him he didn't need to tell him where he was headed because he was outside of his airspace, and that brazenness by the pilot caused the controller to have a whole meltdown
This air traffic controller sounds like he's close to a nervous breakdown. The pilots not doing what he wants them to do when he wants them to do it, is merely the spark that ignites the explosive fuel mixture.
If Sam Kinison had become ATC rather than a comic, this is what it would have sounded like (RIP Sam). Kids, ask your parents (or RUclips)
I instructed out of this airport for years and several of these aircraft are based in DXR. After years of dealing with this attitude some pilots will get angry over the radio and talk back. Good job to the pilots who kept it professional after all his yelling
Anger issues aside, this controller needs some training on how to clear aircraft to land too. Most of the clearances he doesn't say the runway. In this instance it's obvious everyone is landing 8, but DXR has an intersecting runway so he really should be calling it out every time
He doesn't know left from right either, hard to consistently turn when he keeps mixing them up. Also he interrupted their responses. On a radio. Lunatic.
He’s too busy for that 😂
Didn't know the Portland Rose Parade road rage truck guy was an ATC.
that was a brilliant comment.
"Get off my frequency now!" ... "Are you still with me?" - What the hell?
Probably wanted to give him a number for pilot deviation.
*"GET OUT OF MY HOUSE, I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!"*
_Ten minutes later..._
"You're not still mad at me, are you? Please, I need you!"
That was my first thought too but given how much transmissions are missing from that aircraft I'm thinking he was talking and the ATC just wanted him to shut up, not leave the frequency.
@@KyleClericoyes, but non standard coms causes problems like that. Plus he told them to shut up because they were explaining they were unable to comply how he wished and that made him maaaaad.
@@KyleClericohe wasn’t even talking to a real person. He said “4HW” when there’s a “4HL” in the pattern and a “R1H” in the pattern. We can assume he meant “4HL” but this is why radio communications are to be clear, concise, and of course CORRECT.
Maybe it was closer than it looked to me, but from what I could see there was no risk of an imminent collision.
I'm surprised none of the pilots declared rogue tower communications. ATC never yells or verbally abuses pilots, therefore it should be disregarded.
ATC is in this case soft incapacitated. What a power trip lunatic. Do you know what an ATC doesn't do if it detects a hazard? Get angry. This guy needs out of aviation.
This behaviour forces real collisions. Especially a controller that can't tell right from left.
Is that like getting a #?
Wow! That was pretty horrific... It is difficult to find any transmissions from that controller that used standard phraseology. He didn't even specify the runway he was clearing people to land on... Has he received any training at all?
The fact that all the pilots had to ask for clearance is crazy. He threw that one guy onto a short final and they handled it really well but still had to ask for clearance.
The worst though is telling the reliant to make a left 360, waiting a bit, then demanding "That" turn NOW", and then changing said turn to a right turn, only to complain the guy currently in a emergency tight 360 left turn as ordered isn't turning right fast enough. Ridiculous.
Yeah I caught the missing runway too. It could have just been me, but I felt like the way the Reliant replied with the runway number was to kind of jab the controller for giving incorrect clearance after all that.
Also, should he not have cancelled the landing/approach clearance when he gave the instruction for Reliant to turn?
If you call for an aircraft to make a 360 then they are going to make a standard rate turn (3 degrees/second, turn completed in 2 minutes). So if you want them to turn faster, you need to call that out to begin with. This guy should know that.
If you're a pilot and you're listening to ATC and you hear a traffic conflict and the stress in the controller's voice, you're seriously gonna ignore that?
Except it depends on airspeed too. Turn too hard at low airspeed and it's a bad day. Pilots aviate first. Also, it's pretty likely that with WL directly in front and moving perpendicular they could see that the conflict was actually no factor. The atc initial instruction was a LEFT 360 which actually makes the conflict worse with WL crossing right to left... later he yells I need that turn, make a RIGHT 360.. he's so upset he's confusing his right and left... WL is Closer than desirable, but clearly not going to collide. The primary factor is the ATC staff having control issues.
@@GusHeck I understand that; I am a pilot. A plane should be able to make a standard rate turn, even in slow flight, and a standard rate turn is pretty much your default turn rate unless otherwise indicated.
Well in this situation if I know he’s got traffic right in front of me I’m definitely making a turn that’s greater than standard rate no questions asked lol
exactly what I thought!
Looks to me like WL decided it wasn't worth the headache and just left. If he was out of the D airspace, which it looks like from the map that he was, the controller has no say in the matter.
Somebody above said they were actually in one of these aircraft and heard everything. That's what happened.
"234WL in a nutshell said “I’m out of your airspace and VFR I don’t need to tell you where I’m going” "
@@KyleClerico another comment in this section by a friend of the pilot in WL apparently added they even stated they were departing north
Controller wasted so much time yelling at one aircraft when he could have been more adaptable to a fluid situation. Seems so concerned about two coming together yet he put a departure on the runway in front of a bird on short finale where the landing aircraft questioned her clearance to land. Years ago I worked with a controller who had a similar problem of yelling at pilots. He was from the big Apple and he was high strung. He Later bid out to Kennedy where I heard he did fine. Dansbury is a privately controlled facility so he was probably working alone.
Lol I think this guy or his twin works at JPX in the summer. Loses his mind if more than 4 planes are in the sky and starts yelling at everyone. Some poor Challenger pilot genuinely said thanks for your help to him and he blew up. Lots of NY controllers who get bounced end up as angry contract tower controllers.
This is reminding me of Northwest Airlink 5719 where the captain was just as angry at his colleagues for the simplest of things. Whatever what 324WL was doing, the controller was instilling fear in the other pilots under his watch with that tone of voice. They are worried that if they mess up they would also get a browbeating by the controller too. Being this angry in the aviation industry nine times out of ten never ends well.
Saw angry controller in the title and the mind raced to JFK until i saw the rest of it 😂
I thought it was that dude from San Carlos
This guy was probably demoted from a high stress airport. Guess the stress followed him! Early retirement in 3-2-...
He probably falls asleep each night listening to ZNY...
This sounds really bad on the controller's part; stress is part of the job, and if he loses his temper like this on a regular basis he's definitely not suited for it. But I'm curious to hear the pilots' side of the story, as apparently they didn't want to do the 360's he requested for some reason? Too bad their radio calls weren't picked up.
Probably because he was on a 4 mile final and the crazy tower guy was telling him to make a 360 in a Citation jet only to tell an Arrow make a rushed turn from downwind into final in front of him for no apparent reason. None of it made sense.
@@alanprak80 there are I think three other comments somewhere in the comment section that expand on their side
My first GA flight ever was at DXR 48 years ago. Glad this jack wagon wasn't there to influence my decision to pursue aviation as a career!
There is zero chance this is the first blow up from this guy. Somebody, pilots, approach controllers, center controllers, have to have some stories about his guy.
Somebody needs anger management intervention!! That totally unacceptable. I've been in numerous very stressful situations over my 30yrs service as a Firefighter/ EMS Medical First Responder. Multiple fatality, explosions, structure fire and helicopter crashes. You MUST keep a calm and well enunciated voice. Our best 911 Dispatchers are always calm and that helps keep commanders at IC calm.
Yep, in my experience if you yell like this on a scene in front of civs you get sent home and brought in for some meetings at the very least.
@@RT-qd8yl only time is during a 'Firefighter Down' Mayday. Sometimes the roar (especially in Interor Attack situations) makes radio traffic a tad hard understand without yelling. But once radio is held except for the Mayday & PAR accounting...should need too.
@@SMichaelDeHart We had the little voice amps for our masks to try to avoid that issue. Half the time they were great, half the time they were useless.
So true on your comment...👍👍
I disagree. How would you get a point across to an idiot on the other end of the line? By saying the same thing nicely one more time? "Hi Honey. If you keep that up you'll crash into that other aircraft over there. But never mind, I'll write a nice obit for you."
The gap between the best of controllers and the worst is kind of horrifying. I’ve been lucky in recent years to have nothing but good but I’ve had a few basket cases in the past…
N8261H was like nope, no final for me, I'm getting out of here. Think I'd consider doing the same.
I go to a Part 141 and it can get pretty hectic for our controllers. During a checkride on departure there was 6 aircraft in the pattern and more ready to depart. If this guy can't handle the 4 planes he has now, I'd hate to see what he would do in the non-radar environment at my school.
When I learned to fly home field routinely had 4-6 in pattern all day long and it was uncontrolled
Darn sight safer than having this flub block communications no doubt.
Get this dude out of the tower good god
This guy needs to be fired immediately. As a controller, I'm deeply embarrassed by this guy. This has to be the single most unprofessional and incompetent behavior I've ever heard on frequency from a controller. If you can't maintain even a little bit of composure and professionalism with ONE difficult pilot on frequency, you have no business doing this job. Not to mention, even when he was initially calm there wasn't a single transmission made with correct phraseology. The possibility that this guy causes a collision is unacceptably high.
Crazy to see my home airport on this channel! Did all of my flight training out of here and yeah it can get very tense. It's an extremely busy Class D airspace. Gotta be on top of radio calls and know exactly what to expect.
Scary stuff, I hope that controller gets the help he needs.
Is that Danny Devito from Taxi in that tower?😅😂😅 He's going through it. Sounds like a taxi dispatcher from the 80's
Number 1 of the most yelling ATCs ever, way more intense than the argument of the Cessna Pilot and the ATC Las Vegas
I feel like this guy could cause a 7 plane mid-air collision
This is normal communication when you are married with 4 kids.
Or divorced with 4 kids.
@@NETBotic "Eat your food right now, I'm not kidding!"
Best comment ever
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
YES, in stupid amerika land only - rest of civilized world undserstand the need to calm the fuck down
Legend has it he still needs that turn.
Im good friends pilot who was flying WL. Weather was clear and nice, he was doing training with a newer captain in the aircraft. He was outside DXRs airspace the whole time, and after he was instructed to make another (they had been vectored around many more times than were in the video, and the controller had been rude with him up to this point) he simply requested he was going to cancel all his requests and proceed elsewhere. That’s when the controller lost his stuff. He had shifted his focus from trying to communicate with this controller to actually flying the airplane, and they proceeded visually northbound (which he told the tower he was going to do). He had visual contact with the other aircraft at all times (which wasn’t that close) and started helping the captain fly the aircraft.
He sounded like an absolute ass-hat. Hope your friend reported him. That attitude and lack of control of yourself is what will cause an accident. Imagine if you had to rely on him in an emergency…. Doesn’t bare thinking about. What a complete jerk.
Your friend is a terrible pilot
I am neither a pilot nor a controller , but clearly this is wrong and could have gone the bad way. Justifying the ignorance with had visual contact all the time with other aircrafts is plain stupid. I hope I am never in a flight with pilots of this kind of attitude. Better wait and vector around till it is safe than go have a mid air collision and be gone forever.
Regardless of his feelings about being vectored and the attitude of the controller, how the fuck are you not gonna tell ATC what your intentions are when asked? Required or not that was ridiculous.
If you get an instruction from ATC you must comply. It doesn't matter if you cancel or not, if you don't have an emergency you need to comply. FAR 91-123.
The tower controller has had frequent moments just like these all the time…serious anger management issues. He takes it out upon all the pilots at a given time on the frequency...another problem with him, is when he issues an IFR clearance, instead of doing the classic CRAFT order, he flips the end part and states the transponder squawk code before the departure frequency!
Then get on the phone and file a complaint with the Department of Transportation Office of Inspector General (OIG) - they do NOT fuck around. Don't bother filing a complaint with the (useless) FAA.
That angry guy hasn’t gotten any pudding in a while 😂
Controller tells 34WL to fly 2 miles south then turn right. He does that, turns right, then controller yells at him that he hasn't given him clearance yet?
Controller: "Youre going to hit somebody"
Also controller: *clears 87Y with traffic on final for take off*
*cuts reliant 379 off with 55H*
*tells 4WL to get off his freq then asks if they're still with him*
Controller needs to go somewhere else
Wow! He is def in the wrong job!
This is awesome. I watched 2x. It’s like a toddler controlling aircraft. “Get off my frequency now! Get away!” 😂
He was controlling 4 planes......
Good point 😂
Well, he was controlling 3 planes, and I think the fourth was what was getting him
@@pilotandy_commy controllers at KVNY regularly handle 8-12…
Wait until he get into JFK tower…
@@JohanMsWorld I think we’ll be waiting for quite some time judging from this video…
Someone needs a mental health day
I've flown into Danbury Airport many times. This controller is easy to get spooled up and say foolish things with an attitude. It was a matter of time before he ended up in a situation like this. I personally have little respect for him as a controller.
Better off as an ATC for drone racing.
A great example for ATC to be retired. He should be checked for compliance. Probably its time for him to sit and drink tea all day...
The controller was showing signs of distress before the big problem. Adding unnecessary words to his instructions.
NONE of this nonsense should be tolerated. Apparently, the controller had a bit too much coffee that day. Nonetheless, that interaction need to be brought to the attention of the supervisor and run it up the ladder.
He sounds like the principal on beavis and butthead when he about has a coronary from their shenanigans.
Controllers aren’t super-human….they’re just…human. Everyone has a breaking point that on-the-job stressors and personal (outside of work) stressors can exacerbate. I’m assuming this controller doesn’t typically behave in this fashion. Clearly, some mental health intervention is needed. Either a long vacation or professional help….or something in between.
"RL379, I need you to make a 360 RIGHT Turn" few minutes later... "R379, I need you to make a 360 immediately....make a LEFT turn...immediately. "
because he ignored the first instruction so it obviously had to change due to traffic
What a mess he made of his airspace.
Well that was unsettling. I get what the ATC was concerned about. It almost seems like they were all having radio issues. Or maybe 324WL set off a chain reaction of fuckery? I really don't know what to make of that hash.
This guy doesn’t belong anywhere near a control tower.
I will be monitoring DXR TWR from now on hoping to hear this man in the opposite attitude. If I find it, you'll know too.
@@VASAviationHe'd make a great character for another Airplane movie. I'm picturing a guy that looks like Danny Devito, maybe heavier, Pepsi cans, coffee cups and burger wrappers everywhere, beats on the dashboard of his car in traffic, scares cats, birds and children...
Shouldn't be anywhere near an airport!!
@@RetiredEEthe DeVito reference is solid gold.
I disagree. Was he supposed to use monotone voice when folks weren't responding? "Hey, yeah dude, if you keep going that way, you are going to like take out yourself and another aircraft, man."
Wow. I mean I've been where he's at, sir you have to keep it together.
Seems like dude needs to make a right 360 😅
He was actually asked to do a left 360, then told to do "that turn now" then told to do a right 360 while in the middle of the left 360, then chastised for not being able to make a right turn on a dime.
This controller is going to get somebody killed. He told 4WL to 'establish themselves' on the approach and then gets angry with them like that when they follow instructions? He crowds the final and then tells someone to takeoff without delay? He makes the jet fly around in circles so he can crowd the approach with a piston?
Get a new career, dude.
I wonder how many hours per day, and consecutive days, this controller has been working. Either that or he just has anger issues.
Need the other side of comms to make any determination. It could be that ATC was giving bad instructions or it could be that N234WL was ignoring ATC and deliberately turning into traffic.
3:41 in any type arriving or departing situation all us ATC's need to keep that calm nature..not this spectacle...wow. No good DXR...
“I’m not kidding. Make a right 360.” He sounds serious. 😊
Absolutely unbelievable. There are so many qualities that ATC folks have which most of us don't - staying cool and calm in stressful situations is at the TOP of their list of traits, unlike most jobs in the world. This person clearly missed the memo here... I guess they passed training, but it doesn't seem like this was their calling AT ALL. Just for clarification, this was NOT A NEAR-MISS and this was NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. There's absolutely zero reason to be screaming at the top of your lungs literally distorting the mic yelling at a place to do a simple command that could be relayed with a perfectly normal transmission.
I'm assuming this person didn't show up for work the next day - this is like insta-fire for a supervisor / management. Maybe ground controller (for the rest of your life?)
Please fire him
So he told Reliant 379 to do a left 360 then screamed at him when he was to do a right 360. He shouted and screeched at 4WL to the point where most people would have been confused about the instructions given.
Also - him crying about how busy he is with 5 aircraft on screen is an absolute joke. If that’s how he sees it, it’s absolutely not the job for him. I hope he’s never allowed in a tower again. Imagine having him in charge of an emergency. TERRIFYING is how best to describe that. What a jerk.
He told Reliant 379 to do a left 360 when there was a conflict immediately ahead of them. RLI379 then made a *right* turn to proceed to the approach path completely ignoring the instruction. Then the controller still wanted the spacing the 360 would have provided and there was a new potential conflict with 55H if after a minute RLI379 decided to actually follow the previous instruction, so he told them to make a right 360.
It's not an excuse for the controller, but there was sufficient time for RLI379 to comply with the instruction, and they completely ignored it and did what they wanted to do anyway. These are still cut for time, and there was a good 1-2 minutes of RLI379 not following instructions before the controller issued the right 360 instruction.
@@JL_421 He's also screeching at aircraft outside of his airspace. Apparently both aircraft had visual on each other and declared it not a factor.
DXR is a contract tower. Some contract controllers are excellent, some are this guy or the guy at SQL
This is absolutely embarrassing
I've never seen anything like this in 14 years on the radio. I don't feel like I understand what's going on, but this is crazy.
Is that the same Danbury corrupticut… where they arrested Long Island audit for simply filming public officials.. in public.
This is truly unacceptable behavior.
Bloody hell.
I've dealt with this controller many many times and he's usually pretty chill... unless you don't listen then he *may* blow up on you. It is worth noting the tower cannot see aircraft around the hills visually! They rely on radar most of the time for traffic avoidance, and with traffic not listening I can imagine it would be stressful.
Too much was missing to make an informed opinion, BUT, this controller could use a break. Maybe a vacation. This can’t be healthy.
What an absolute joke of a controller. 😂
That guy needs to get his tickets pulled and then be reassessed.
This controller made a few mistakes that made it worse. 1:23 he said fly 2 miles south and make a right turn which would have put him on final going the wrong way. I suspect he meant HIS right which would have been a left for the aircraft. 4WL complied with the turn south but then I suspect got confused and didn't make the turn. Not sure what 4WL said at 2:25 that made the controller say he didn't give a clearance yet, he already had given him clearance to establish himself on final. Then at 3:53 he tells Reliant to make a left 360 which if the radar timing is correct would have put them in a situation where the turn would have kept them from seeing the traffic. Then at 4:33 he tells them to make a RIGHT 360. Dude needs to go back to kindergarten and learn the difference between left and right.
4WL made indeed the right turn to establish on final by himself as instructed.
What the hell
I am usually quick to take ATCs side because that job is stressful af and they deserve more grace than people usually give them but man this was just unacceptable. It's not the anger, it's the fact that instructions are overshadowed by the anger.
Besides doing abundant Jersey Mike's commercials, I did not know Danny DeVito had this ATC side hustle gig.
lol every time I flew into Danbury I always heard this guy. He always sounded like that but never thought it would be like this
How long has he been there? This wasn't a one off? My god...
He needs a new job.
Orchestra conductor?
Does anybody else know a worse controller reaction? I sure don't recall one this rough.
MrMegaMario - there's always KSFO. I suspect that you could find something if you ran through their tapes.
Dang, man. I can appreciate that was a stressful situation but that was an insane and unnecessary breach of professionalism. Telling the first aircraft on approach to hurry up because there's a jet coming in: Okay, and this is my problem how? You can extend their downwind or give them delay vectors. If I'm trying to fly a stabilized approach I'm going to fly the speed I need to fly. Being a jet does not make them more important. Meanwhile, WH and Reliant 379 need to work on communication and following instructions. What a Charlie-Foxtrot.
The controller simply should have given those aircraft instructions to enter the downwind and make sure they had aircraft in sight. He seemed to panic and that isn’t helpful.
Holy mackerel - i wouldn't have believed it had i not heard it. This controller was spazzier than the spazziest person i ever worked with - yikes.
Dude, regardless of where I am, if ATC tells me to turn south because I have someone coming at me, you’d better believe that I’m going to be banking into that turn before he even finishes the transmission. This is insane behavior, man…
Everyone hating on the controller, but I genuinely feel for him. Honestly when I saw N8261H turning towards base infront of the jet I thought.. this is gonna be interesting. Guy just wanted to prevent a crash and people aren't trying to help, that is a really difficult situation, and honestly, if a controller starts sounding urgent, thats a good job. Its the ones who sound like nothings wrong when they've nearly had a collision on take-off that I'm worried about. We're all human, voice infliction and tone matter. He might have gone a bit over the top, but if he's yelling because a mid air is about to happen, fine.
Flew into DXR recently...let's just say this isn't a surprise. Many years ago it was a great and welcoming place...something changed. Lol
Pilot suck, that's why...
I wonder if the ATC transmitter is badly positioned so there are some directions and altitudes where you can’t hear ATC. Seems like a hell of a coincidence that several different aircraft weren’t responding to him, including some professional pilots in presumably well-equipped jets.
Disturbing.
I really am looking at a lot of people in the comments, upset with the controller here, but for one thing, we're not actually hearing the transmissions from the other plane, and for another, I feel like he gave clear and immediate responses, and only started getting upset when two planes were literally on a collision course, and I got to be honest, if I'm telling two people not to fly into eachother, and both of them are just not listening to me, I'd be a bit stressed myself.
Controllers are human, just like all of us, and watching two people get close enough to hit eachother has got to be hard to handle, especially when you're giving instructions to both pilots and they're just NOT listening.
I'd probably need new pants after this, but the fact is, no one got hurt, and hopefully everyone took this as a learning experience, from the plane flying into landing traffic, and the plane trying to land on another aircraft, to the controller trying his best to keep everyone safe.
That's the best anyone can hope for, just a learning experience
Yup! It seems as an observation on most of these types of videos, some people feel the pilot can NEVER be wrong and it's always the controller at fault. Typically citing their "tone" not being nice. As a pilot, just based off of the controller response, the pilots made the situation 10x worse and the controller, rightfully so, was stressed with two airplanes on a collision path and NOT listening to any instructions.
I think I third that.
There are a couple of comments from people who were there and on frequency. Have a read of them. I can assure you, this whole thing was 100% the controllers fault. There isn't even the slightest hint of a grey area.
@@erauprcwa It's pretty clear it's a lot of non-pilots commenting.
Every check ride has "Comply with ATC instructions" as a skill that needs to be demonstrated. Failure to comply with ATC instructions is a fail. There's no exception for VFR flights. If a pilot is unable, then they're supposed to say "Unable." and ATC is supposed to give alternative instructions. It's pretty clear from the video that WL decided they just didn't want to listen to ATC instructions.
@@WhineMorePlease Yup 💯
Am I reading it right? There was 500+ feet of vertical separation between N234WL and RLI379?
Yes, and probably 1/2 a mile of horizontal. It wasn't even close.
That controller has a big problem and should see someone ASAP. He lost it big time.