LARS and the CREEPING DEATH Intro (LIVE 2021 vs. Studio Version) WHAT HAPPENED?

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  • @TheArtofGuitar
    @TheArtofGuitar  2 года назад +332

    To anyone commenting on how it’s not complicated and it’s not in 7/4, I hope you realize I was just making a silly thumbnail. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

    • @apersonok8426
      @apersonok8426 2 года назад +6

      Oh it’s fine my man! I did wanna comment that Lars has even done this since Monsters Of Rock, Metallica is a pretty loud band compared to the supporting bands. The snare instead of the floor tom is most likely because that’s when the song starts, and he wants it to be right in your face and loud off the bat.

    • @HannahCope88
      @HannahCope88 2 года назад

      I realized hehe, I know the drill. I do love the silly thumbnails!

    • @MegaTeostyle
      @MegaTeostyle 2 года назад

      Check out the new intro of “Harvester of Sorrow” on the floor tom.

    • @tigranayvazyan5974
      @tigranayvazyan5974 2 года назад

      I was about to count the 'live version intro' time signature, then i was like, nah man, better don't; just keep watchin' it..)

    • @awesomeajvic
      @awesomeajvic 2 года назад

      I thought it would be because they play live like 20 percent faster

  • @ramonoski
    @ramonoski 2 года назад +751

    Lars tends to rush his entrances and fills most of the times. The weird thing is that he's done it for so long that the rest of the band have learned to rush too so it sounds like they're all on the beat even though they really aren't. It's even more noticeable in songs like "for whom the bell tolls".

    • @DenSvartaStjarnan
      @DenSvartaStjarnan 2 года назад +4

      When they play Breadfan he always plays the cymbal breaks that are supposed to be triplets like they are regular eighths.

    • @johnnyburritto6367
      @johnnyburritto6367 2 года назад +32

      Very good point. Two things - when a band writes a song there is no wrong way for them to play it, just different ways. It is their song to play how they want. Lars has stated that he always changes and upgrades the songs to make them interesting for the band, as it gets tired to play the same song note for note for twenty years. If you want the recorded version, you have that, if you want to see a band play live it will be different every time.

    • @Nestorglass
      @Nestorglass 2 года назад +19

      @@DenSvartaStjarnan I've gotten so used to them rushing the cymbal breaks in songs that it's almost a cool metallica quirk to me. It's their thing, they've been doing it even when Lars had mad chops.

    • @joetroutt7425
      @joetroutt7425 2 года назад +21

      @@johnnyburritto6367 really just sounds like a lame excuse for not remembering how to play your own material. Once you start play it different than how it was originally recorded you'll never go back to the original again.

    • @adrianogden951
      @adrianogden951 2 года назад +3

      The exception to that is the triplet stabs in the chorus of Sad But True, which he drags out so far they practically get a bar each. I haven't seen them live since the Black Album, but he was already playing it that way then. Never understood why they did it that way, it just broke the flow so badly.

  • @amjan
    @amjan 2 года назад +1355

    Analyzing Lars'es drumming is like analyzing the walking cadence of a drunk person.

    • @KingTabor
      @KingTabor 2 года назад +1

      Indeed!😂😂

    • @elliottcyrus_music9602
      @elliottcyrus_music9602 2 года назад +3

      Making me laugh at 730 am

    • @steelwarrior105
      @steelwarrior105 2 года назад +19

      Lets face it Lars's timing has been iffy since kill 'em all

    • @stephenshoihet2590
      @stephenshoihet2590 2 года назад +6

      too bad drunk drumming is already a thing and it's still way more predictable than Lars :-D

    • @bojangles6444
      @bojangles6444 2 года назад +7

      @@steelwarrior105 say that in a Metallica forum you will get mean comments for months. They say you aren’t as successful as him so he must know more lol

  • @DizzyDez613
    @DizzyDez613 2 года назад +259

    I’ve been listening to Metallica for more than 30 years, and I still don’t know what Lars is doing half the time.

    • @MegaTeostyle
      @MegaTeostyle 2 года назад +2

      Napster time :)

    • @WendyMcCor696
      @WendyMcCor696 2 года назад +6

      I know up to the black he was very decent and these days is very shit....although lately he sounds alittle better.....still needs work on timing though 😕

    • @calebkey2050
      @calebkey2050 2 года назад +7

      @@WendyMcCor696 Whoever does Metallica’s mixing on the live releases needs a raise, big time, from Lars personally! Seriously good mixes that even makes Lars sound decent lol

    • @raybergstrom
      @raybergstrom 2 года назад +10

      Neither does Lars :P

    • @thereisnopandemic
      @thereisnopandemic 2 года назад +2

      I don’t think even Lars realizes what he doing full time

  • @williamcozart8158
    @williamcozart8158 2 года назад +211

    That's called the "no practice", it's Lars' favorite drum technique..

    • @marcopelaezfernandez4573
      @marcopelaezfernandez4573 2 года назад +1

      The most real and honest comment of all.

    • @X-MaN.87
      @X-MaN.87 2 года назад +6

      It's called 'fuck metronomes I ám the tempo' and it creates a more organic energy/vibe/feel you can't match any other way. If the band agrees with that style and can lock in by closely listening and even looking at the drummer it can work. But musicians and music listeners that are addicted to metronomes (because it's everywhere) can be triggered by it. Not really open minded of them in my opinion. You can use tempo changes as a form of expression and do it on purpose, playing with it, being in the moment. Why do some people find it so important to have a tempo that's as steady as can be, are you a robot? As long as the tempo changes are fluent and musical and the whole band follows it it's fun and just another degree of freedom to musically play with live. Imagine you have to play those songs over and over, it's really nice for them that they can experiment with the way they play the songs instead of having to follow the same time-grid every damn time. They also play with the intensity (volume dynamics) and every live version is slightly different in terms of micro-timing groove changes and of course tone and sound. That way it keeps being interesting even after all those years. I bet it's actually one of the reasons they still exist and aren't bored by it already.

    • @DillyDilly13
      @DillyDilly13 2 года назад +2

      Go watch Battery from the Late Night show earlier this year then say he doesn’t practice 🤡 dudes playing better than the last 10 years.

    • @sticktoyourdrums8177
      @sticktoyourdrums8177 2 года назад

      Ya, if you watch his podcast with Dave Grohl, he talks about how he doesn’t really practice regularly like he should.

    • @sticktoyourdrums8177
      @sticktoyourdrums8177 2 года назад

      I think after that talk with Dave, he decided to practice again….lol! What’s crazy is watching the making of Hardwired. Lar’s is still thrashy and fast as fuck. Almost like he dials back a bit live, to not get tired. He is an old man playing fast metal. Let’s not forget that.

  • @christianstojgtr
    @christianstojgtr 2 года назад +415

    haha i liked how u tuned to standard for the album and eb for the 2021 version, lit man

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  2 года назад +87

      Thanks for noticing. :)

    • @2760ade
      @2760ade 2 года назад +30

      I noticed that too. Not many people would have bothered. Attention to detail is what makes this channel so watchable!😀

    • @rickfeith6372
      @rickfeith6372 2 года назад +7

      It jumped out at me.

    • @romyerushalmy
      @romyerushalmy 2 года назад +12

      Its not even even standard, its alittle more flat than that, like dime used to tune his guitars

    • @Xeroforte
      @Xeroforte 2 года назад +5

      @Phantom Deth it's not like it's common knowledge Metallica tunes a half step down live nowadays or anything

  • @quefrog
    @quefrog 2 года назад +106

    I honestly don't think Lars ever had a good internal metronome, but my guess is that his role in the band has always been bigger than just keeping the time, so they've worked around it in various ways at different points in their history. His loose feel works really well on earlier songs like "Creeping Death" and "Master of Puppets" and really comes into its own on The Black Album. And that feel stands in stark contrast to his machine-like performance on "And Justice for All" (the album), which for me is some of the best drumming of the thrash era -- regardless of how many takes he may have had to do, or whether he can always pull off the songs from it live.

    • @Kat-Kobold
      @Kat-Kobold 2 года назад +17

      AJFA is as tight as it is because Lars recorded the bare minimum necessary and then had all the parts copy pasted so he didn't have to do it all in one go

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino 2 года назад +2

      @@Kat-Kobold While that's certainly true in the later Metallica albuns, not so much on the early stuff. Digital recording is still a relatively new thing. The first album to be completely done digitally was Livin' La Vida Loca in 1999.

    • @TRENTSINCLAIRE
      @TRENTSINCLAIRE 2 года назад +2

      @@BrunodeSouzaLino digital PCM recording has been around since the early 70's

    • @MetalPersonJ
      @MetalPersonJ 2 года назад

      @infoslinger where's your source on that?

    • @zakguitar2359
      @zakguitar2359 2 года назад

      @@MetalPersonJ ruclips.net/video/R-vzuSy8ct8/видео.html

  • @jez_77
    @jez_77 2 года назад +450

    One of the funniest things for me related to Metallica is the fact that Lars is usually so out of the beat and tempo, that the entire band has learned to match him. It was really apparent while watching Battery with Lombardo. James and Kirk were naturally "flowing" through the song, "feeling it" in their own way, not really caring about beat and tempo. Just how they would normally play with Lars and sound good. Meanwhile, Dave playing was, as always, very even and tight. So, James and Kirk really struggled to be on the spot with Dave cause they are so used to Lars's drumming. Only Rob could match drums, but he is a freaking machine and more like a session musician than Metallica member XD I think its hilarious, that in order to sound decent live, Metallica just CANNOT have tight and even drummer anymore

    • @Christopher-md7tf
      @Christopher-md7tf 2 года назад +47

      I get what you're saying, but it should also be mentioned that Lombardo missed his entry on the chorus fill several times. Not to dunk on him, nobody can be expected to be summoned to the stage spontaneously and give a perfect rendition of a song that they haven't had a chance to rehearse beforehand.
      But yeah, part of what makes James, Kirk, and Rob so great has always been their ability to accomodate Lars 😆

    • @frankiebq5604
      @frankiebq5604 2 года назад +14

      Wtf are you saying about Rob, lol. He's been in the band for longest than Cliff, that's just some stupid shit that "old tallica" fans want to believe. He's part of Metallica xD

    • @orangutanxremix510
      @orangutanxremix510 2 года назад +47

      @@frankiebq5604 session musician as in he can play and accommodate his playing to whatever he hears you dull simpleton.

    • @AQSELMAURITZ
      @AQSELMAURITZ 2 года назад +28

      @@frankiebq5604 You completely missed the point of that comment.

    • @jd0879
      @jd0879 2 года назад

      It’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about. Except for the double bass passage Lambardo did terrible on his rendition of Battery

  • @B---tw3kh
    @B---tw3kh 2 года назад +149

    When you played the crashes correctly, part of me recoiled at it. It sounded right but it didn't sound like Metallica

    • @IcedFIame
      @IcedFIame 2 года назад +19

      Same thought exactly. As if he was late on the second hit every time.

    • @zezin-kkkk
      @zezin-kkkk 2 года назад +3

      basically, lars is wrong

    • @randomalbum9879
      @randomalbum9879 2 года назад +1

      @@zezin-kkkk or maybe he just wants to play it differently

    • @Fucklesticks
      @Fucklesticks 2 года назад

      @@randomalbum9879 Differently but certainly not better, like most of the drums fills he's changed over the years

  • @Staminist-MMF-80
    @Staminist-MMF-80 2 года назад +245

    Ok, I'll say it - I don't think Lars even realises what he is playing..

  • @jcerrat
    @jcerrat 2 года назад +19

    Lars has been playing the "2021" Creeping Death intro that way for years. Checkout the Woodstock '99 performance and play close attention to the high hat. The snare intro is there as well. When all 4 guys are locked in like in that Woodstock performance the timing doesn't seem as weird.

  • @DavidLionGuitars
    @DavidLionGuitars 2 года назад +17

    Lars also opened with the snare in Moscow 91

  • @Swift016
    @Swift016 2 года назад +68

    "Lars apologist" HAHAHAHA. I had to laugh at this because I feel the same way. Lars was my first drumming inspiration and although I HATE some of the things he's done to these songs over the years, there's no denying he fully believes in what he's doing.
    Except when he screws up the sextuplets in One. Sometimes it sounds like he's dropping a bowling ball down a set of stairs and it really kills the groove lmao.

  • @bwgti
    @bwgti 2 года назад +26

    I thought the issue was that Lars just isn't that good live anymore?
    That being said. I have never met anyone that has seen Metallica live in the 10 years that thought the show was less than spectacular. Nobody has said the show was ruined by Lars barely playing the parts from the original recordings. Or those crazy ass tempo changes.

  • @sinnizster5038
    @sinnizster5038 2 года назад +135

    It's just lars being ahead of the beat.. as he mostly is

    • @SuperTimtation
      @SuperTimtation 2 года назад +5

      Right! He's not doing some amazing thing. He's just not playing well.

    • @SeedOilFitnessOfficial
      @SeedOilFitnessOfficial 2 года назад +7

      Its just Lars being a Prog Drummer

    • @Hornswoop
      @Hornswoop 2 года назад +2

      @@SeedOilFitnessOfficial I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Prog drummers are always on the beat.

    • @nunyabusiness6691
      @nunyabusiness6691 2 года назад

      He's like the Meg White of metal drummers

  • @jonnyincognito899
    @jonnyincognito899 2 года назад +21

    Fyi Lars did first 5 beats on the snare back at Monsters of Rock 1991 in Russia...I thought it was a mistake, too, being so pumped for soooo many ppl.

  • @grungeman86
    @grungeman86 2 года назад +24

    During the whole video I was like “ok, he is trying to put a sort of an upbeat, fast intro”.
    But then you said “the whole band looks at him, he’s in control” - there, we all know THIS explains everything haha.

    • @beforethunder4987
      @beforethunder4987 Год назад

      lol I was going to say something similar but you articulated it far better than I would have.

  • @spaceman_sz
    @spaceman_sz 2 года назад +85

    Explanation is simple: he can't keep in time, every musician knows it.

  • @WAFFLEMAN38
    @WAFFLEMAN38 2 года назад +24

    I've listened to so much live stuff, that 3 hi hat hit has become how I play the song back in my head now lol. Feels totally weird whenever I go back to the album to listen or play along now

    • @SolarMusicZ
      @SolarMusicZ 2 года назад +5

      Well, three Hi-Hats are correct. It's just that the three Hi-Hats are always rushed and not in timing by Lars.

    • @WAFFLEMAN38
      @WAFFLEMAN38 2 года назад

      @@SolarMusicZ Lars is reinforcing my habit of coming in half a beat early from my highschool band days lol

    • @Arttworx
      @Arttworx 2 года назад

      @@SolarMusicZ Yeah, if it IS a 4 count, the second crash is the one. It's an odd choice but that's what made Metallica so freekin' amazingly novel and weird back then!

    • @jd0879
      @jd0879 2 года назад

      @@SolarMusicZ The 3 notes are wrong, it should be 4. If he wanted to make it three the tom rolls would have to be longer

    • @robinpettersen5
      @robinpettersen5 2 года назад

      @@jd0879 no. Listen to the song and count. 3 is right. He is rushing it live.
      Counting: dagadaga-da-daaa1234 - dagadaga-da-dada 234..

  • @ultragkdrums9471
    @ultragkdrums9471 2 года назад +41

    5:57 and on is f*cking poetry
    I’ve always thought that Lars’ live drumming brings a while new life and energy to the music.
    I cannot tell you how good it is to hear such a good explanation from a musician I deeply respect
    THANK YOU 🤘🤘🤘

    • @kayjay7585
      @kayjay7585 2 года назад +4

      I would go even further and not say that it works because the rest of the band sticks to them. It'd argue that the rest of the band sticks to them because they work.

  • @mallninja9805
    @mallninja9805 2 года назад +5

    @3:54 "...it's hard to predict when to actually come in with that floor tom" - exactly the kind of dynamic excitability you want in a drummer!

  • @JPMongeS
    @JPMongeS 2 года назад +50

    Even though those are weird changes he does now the one I can’t comprehend is not playing the cool toms fill in between the intro and the next riff, I miss that one. Same for the little riff that Kirk is supposed to play after the “Die by my hand” riff and the next verse.

    • @d.m.3038
      @d.m.3038 2 года назад +4

      At first I thought Lars stopped doing that big drum fill after he downsized his kit in 1994 or so. But in live footage through the late 90s you can see that he still did the fill, even on just 2 toms. At some point in the 2000s he just gave up on it, which is a shame.

    • @Fucklesticks
      @Fucklesticks 2 года назад +1

      Laziness, does he even play the double bass parts anymore? Last time i checked he gave up on the double bass part to St.Anger

  • @secretlyeric
    @secretlyeric 2 года назад +55

    I'm skeptical that Lars is consciously making any of these changes. I would assume that he thinks he's playing it exactly the same as how it appears on the record.

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino 2 года назад +1

      The tempo drag sounds pretty much like someone that's pushing a tempo and realized she can't play it after the first measure.

    • @quadzmotooffroad2904
      @quadzmotooffroad2904 2 года назад +3

      Lars isn't the best drummer in the world... he's not even the best drummer in Metallica - James Hetfield

  • @Krullmatic
    @Krullmatic 2 года назад +42

    You're as much of a badass drummer, as you are a guitarist!

  • @asdqwe4427
    @asdqwe4427 2 года назад +5

    I always liked his unorthodox approach. In a lot of the recordings you can find surprises too. He will put some emphasis where I wouldn't expect it and yet it works great for the song

  • @BrainWasherAttendent
    @BrainWasherAttendent 2 года назад +162

    It’s live and Lars does this sort of thing all the time. I think it’s a vibe thing with the band that has evolved over time.

    • @MilitantOldLady
      @MilitantOldLady 2 года назад +13

      More like devolve.

    • @DavidRFIT
      @DavidRFIT 2 года назад +18

      or he just sucks...

    • @mbj6555
      @mbj6555 2 года назад +10

      Um, no. It's because Lars is a pretty terrible drummer.

    • @Christopher-md7tf
      @Christopher-md7tf 2 года назад +25

      "Vibe thing"
      Yeah, having totally unpredictable timing is a great vibe for a drummer to have lol. Makes them really fun to play with...

    • @andrewmachado6988
      @andrewmachado6988 2 года назад +2

      Or the fact he can’t properly play half of the material anymore.

  • @ereaUA
    @ereaUA 2 года назад +23

    Man, this can be seen even more clearer in live versions of “Sad but True”. He can’t play dot notes, or just does not want.

    • @mammon_is_god
      @mammon_is_god 2 года назад +3

      "hey James? Those dot notes? How about don't notes"
      -Lars

  • @taylorhayes7292
    @taylorhayes7292 2 года назад +5

    Fun fact with the snare hits in the intro he's been doing that since the late 80's/early 90's. You can hear it in the Moscow 91 performance

  • @Craighetfield2024
    @Craighetfield2024 2 года назад +61

    My only explanation is maybe Lars is trying to keep it raw as possible with the wierd time signatures .. how it felt back in the day in a garage .. I like it cause it feels natural not tied down to a overused formula

    • @noyb5277
      @noyb5277 2 года назад +3

      Mine is Hetfield played it in the studio

    • @NoahNCopeland
      @NoahNCopeland 2 года назад +19

      Lol bad time keeping written off "going off formula bro" 🤣
      Insert "it sounds stock" lars meme

    • @maxdurk4624
      @maxdurk4624 2 года назад +10

      I just don't think he is even thinking in terms if time signatures. Just doing whatever the hell he wants. Think about the timing of the verse riff of Master of Puppets. If you were to try and actually chart is properly it comes out to some bizarre time signature that makes it sound way more complicated and less intuitive than it actually is.

    • @beeemm2578
      @beeemm2578 2 года назад +13

      Thats not weird time sigs. Thats unskilled and unpracticed drummer traits. Hes rushing, then the next time is way off. Some people will mistake this for musical prowess or genius....lol. Trust me, its not. 😁

    • @davidepannone6021
      @davidepannone6021 2 года назад +4

      @@NoahNCopeland ITs JaZZ MaN!!111!!1! I love these Lars apologists as if they were on his payroll or something lmao. Nobody wants to deny Lars position in the metal genre and history. That's undeniable. I just don't understand why not admit (when he actually did himself MANY TIMES) that he stopped practicing a long time ago and that took it's toll over the years.

  • @FrankMultari
    @FrankMultari 2 года назад +8

    Struggles with Time
    Triggered again
    First the beat is fast then slow again
    Maybe he just can't remembah!
    Lars is having deep dementia!
    Old habits reappear
    Must have wax in his ears
    Un-synchronicity
    Whole band catch up to me
    Frayed ends of sanity
    Hear them.....Hear them chasing meeeee!

  • @rocket69218
    @rocket69218 2 года назад +8

    I'm not a Metallica fan, or even a metal fan but I really like Lars' drumming. I was watching Master of Puppets live Manchester 2019 the other week and he's all over the place, it's great. :D

    • @jaymann5180
      @jaymann5180 Год назад

      That's like saying you watched someone end their life by gunshot and saying you admire their shooting technique.

  • @danielehartmann2787
    @danielehartmann2787 2 года назад +6

    I think its "feeling the Song and the music" vs "having acutally practice behind your back". Its like they aren't musicians, they are just crazy maniacs who hit nots which are resonating with us. I love it! Thats Heavy Metal for me.

  • @simplemindedsage
    @simplemindedsage 2 года назад +1

    Lars has been playing the intro thar way for decades. I just listened to the Seattle '89 version and it starts with the four count on the china, followed by the snare, then the floor tom with alternating fours and threes on the hats.

  • @JPVersus_
    @JPVersus_ 2 года назад +14

    I remember seeing a comment on a creeping death 2021 video were the guy praises Lars for being "focused and locked in" on the song and I had to laugh cause I had the same insights you had lol

    • @MegaTeostyle
      @MegaTeostyle 2 года назад

      What about the intro of "Harvester of Sorrow"?

  • @dragons_red
    @dragons_red 2 года назад +12

    I get the feeling at this point no matter what or how Lars changes things, the rest of the band is like "just go along," otherwise they will have to engage in a long drawn out "conversation" with him about it and James has probably spent a solid 5 years of his life arguing with Lars if you add it all together.

  • @domsguitarroom9217
    @domsguitarroom9217 2 года назад +14

    Might sound weird but I prefer the 2021 live version, it might be because I overplayed the studio versions over the years and when I hear the live versions it sounds a different and more interesting to me.

  • @biga6664
    @biga6664 Год назад

    This is crazy! I’ve always noticed the intro sounds weird, but I’ve never been able to notice it, and now it makes sense! Thank you so much for opening my eyes.

  • @snicklefritzal
    @snicklefritzal 2 года назад +1

    "y'know it's cool because it's different, cause then it's not the same" -Lars

  • @jackbigassman5544
    @jackbigassman5544 2 года назад +11

    Nothing weird that Lars does is intentional, it’s called “Larsisms”.

  • @aaronkennedy3848
    @aaronkennedy3848 2 года назад +5

    Lars is 2,000 years old. He’s doing amazing for such an old guy who, btw, never really was a drummer(formally trained, that is).

    • @veganskillz
      @veganskillz 2 года назад

      (Almost) nobody in metal is formally trained… they just care about their art and (mostly) don’t suck

  • @crazyjoeshorts5256
    @crazyjoeshorts5256 2 года назад +3

    He's never been one to worry too much about consistency. Sometimes the irregularity creates real magic. Sometimes it falls apart. I personally just take the good with the bad. Life is too short to split hairs over the minutiae of a few mistakes.

    • @dowens3781
      @dowens3781 2 года назад

      Well said. Social media (especially RUclips music videos) really seems to bring out all the bored nitpickers.

  • @milesaway3699
    @milesaway3699 2 года назад +1

    It’s funny, I’ve gotten into Metallica recently at 54 yrs old (I know, I know) and have been binge listening album stuff and live stuff on YT. I’ve seen lots of comments on Lars’ drumming live and I never understood what people were talking about. As a crappy guitarist I’m just so mesmerized by James’ down picking that I haven’t paid attention. It all sounds awesome to me! New subscriber and loving these videos btw!

  • @thomasrevill7723
    @thomasrevill7723 2 года назад +13

    I'd hesitate to call it a new "version" seeing as it almost certainly wasn't planned
    The main issue with the timing live in this song is that Lars is known for following James' rhythm, but the intro requires that Lars be the one everyone else follows, so they all end up going at an awkward, random speed

  • @ToughLovePapi
    @ToughLovePapi 2 года назад +2

    I am SO happy you’ve done this because I felt EXACTLY the same as how you described it. He’s done it for a while. Everything just seems early and rushed. I didn’t understand how they all seemingly were. And how they stayed relatively in time to it being off.

  • @jeffreymonroe153
    @jeffreymonroe153 2 года назад +17

    Thank you for these videos. I have noticed these idiosyncrasies for years and have always found it very appealing to my ears. Like you said, It does have a certain "charm" to it.
    I am 45 and have been playing since I was probably 12yrs old. Very much like yourself, I spent countless hours learning ALL of their catalog trough Justice with my friends growing up. It made me the player I am today. Metallica is my "Beatles"

  • @judonis
    @judonis 2 года назад +6

    🤣 The funniest thing is that you 're analyzing Lars' drumming! 🤣

  • @karkarey
    @karkarey 2 года назад +2

    2:41 is the perfect explanation of how this live version intro feels

  • @popularculture2890
    @popularculture2890 2 года назад +23

    ha. I'm loving these new Metallica shows btw. They sound amazing. They always sounded great live, save St. Anger days, but they are rocking the f'ing house on this tour.

  • @rajamcraja
    @rajamcraja 2 года назад +4

    As a drummer myself, sometimes when playing rock, you gotta rush a little to excite the audience. People don't want perfection, they want a unique and unpredictable experience. Little things like this can be enough to capture the attention of the audience. It brings a bit of rythmic tension if you want.

    • @mattdad8429
      @mattdad8429 2 года назад

      That's kind of how I look at it. It builds tension. Who wants to play a song exactly like the studio version decade after decade? He likes to mix it up and keep it interesting. Not sure why people think that's a negative.

  • @TomOlsen327mofo
    @TomOlsen327mofo 2 года назад +7

    Lars is actually the reason I picked up drumming. The first song I ever learned was For Whom the Bell Tolls, which my dad actually helped teach to me. We were both inspired by Lars, and his uncanny ability to play.

    • @brunofernandesos
      @brunofernandesos 2 года назад

      rly uncanny

    • @scottwallace5239
      @scottwallace5239 2 года назад +1

      Lars could play, when he cared and practiced and was on a coke binge, now he turns up, rushes tempo and ruins songs, his infamous fuck up of the double bass on 'one' hurts to hear, lars was one of my favourite drummers growing up aswell

    • @cooldanrod5596
      @cooldanrod5596 Год назад

      @@scottwallace5239 I guarantee you nobody that has gone to a Metallica concert believes Lars ruined any songs

  • @gutturaleffigy
    @gutturaleffigy 2 года назад +1

    Probably the most technical thing Lars has ever played

  • @chafdawg2000
    @chafdawg2000 2 года назад +1

    5:41 excellent explanation my feelings exactly lars drumming is so good for the feel and the sway of the band and he gives a lot of energy!

  • @BrickaBoy
    @BrickaBoy 2 года назад +5

    Larses drumming im confident is what gives metallica its unbelievably ridiculous replayability. Its so random its interesting everytime i hear em live. I really think hes beyond our comprehnsive capabilities

  • @BrunoWingerter
    @BrunoWingerter 2 года назад +11

    Your comment about guest drummers is spot on.
    I remember when Joey Jordison played with Metallica (and I think it was Creeping Death!), and though he was an amazing drummer, it just doesn't sounded right. The connection Lars has with Metallica goes beyond technical skill, he's part of the identity and personality of the band.

    • @mikke73
      @mikke73 2 года назад +1

      Imagine how bad it would sound if his connection with Metallica actually went below his technical skill...

  • @SiR666Hamburger
    @SiR666Hamburger 2 года назад +4

    I've noticed at the 2021 shows, Metallica has tried to slow down the tempo for most songs...
    I don't think they have played Creeping Death this slow since the 90's, Maybe ever LIVE!
    They usually play Creeping Death so fast that even James can't downpick it.
    So Lars is obviously struggling to adjust, and it's really apparent on this song.

  • @jorgecobospaz6936
    @jorgecobospaz6936 2 года назад +2

    That intro live has bothered me for years. I'm glad someone said something about it cause I was beggining to think I was imagining things.
    Lars also does this on the intros for Master of Puppets, For Whom the Bells Tolls, and more. I love Metallica but those details do take away from the live experience, in my opinion.
    Anyway, cool video, cheers ✌🏼

  • @GaryHubbs
    @GaryHubbs 2 года назад +3

    Love these ones Mike, fascinating stuff

  • @acmichaels4983
    @acmichaels4983 2 года назад

    It’s the details that makes me love this channel 🤘

  • @ImYourOverlord
    @ImYourOverlord 4 месяца назад +1

    "Creeping Death" is my favorite song on the album 😁

  • @andresgottardi
    @andresgottardi 2 года назад +1

    Have you seen Ride the Lightning's version at 1985 Day at the Green? When Kirk is playin' the second solo with a fast part of drums, oddly Lars made a kind of tricks with the toms that almost messed up the song.
    Even Kirk is looking him like "where are you going?

  • @tzd
    @tzd 2 года назад +2

    The hi-hat count has always been 4 then 3, even in the studio record (where there’s no hi-hat).

  • @tkrauss
    @tkrauss 2 года назад +1

    It's so refreshing to see this. I've heard Creep in 2021 and thought something did seem off. Now I know why. I think I want to go back and find some warm-up videos and see if they practice Creep and if it's off there too.

  • @laksana4307
    @laksana4307 2 года назад +3

    I think he's been doing it for years now, the snare intro instead of starting with the floor tom

  • @jansandman6983
    @jansandman6983 Год назад +1

    That's what I've felt too when Joey and Dave steps in for Lars, sure it sounded powerful and on time and very fast but it just felt so straight forward which weird for metallica music.

  • @eddierayvanlynch6133
    @eddierayvanlynch6133 2 года назад +1

    An old drummer used to "remind" me when I was done soloing by playing 7/4 & 7/8 until I stopped.
    Good times.
    🙄🤷🏻‍♂️😉🥁♥️🎸😎

  • @CarimboHanky
    @CarimboHanky 2 года назад +3

    overall his live timing this year have been phenomenal
    cant wait to see them live again next week at Rockville 🤘

  • @pstudio4096
    @pstudio4096 2 года назад +1

    I will explain why sometimes he does 4 hi hats and sometimes 3. it goes ta ta ta ta ta tish ( 4 beats / 1 bar)and then ta ta ta ta ta tish tish. ( 5 beats / 1 bar and a quarter) So when you count the beats he is not playing it goes : ta ta ta ta ta tish 1-2-3-4 ta ta ta ta ta tish tish 2-3-4. Simple as that.

  • @jamisonr
    @jamisonr 2 года назад +1

    When I first got into Metallica in 1987, they were of course GODS to me and my teen self. I thought all 4 of them were the best musicians at their respective instruments. But as time goes on, well, there are some weak links. I was just thinking the other day while watching Joey Jordison drum cams (RIP Joey) that I've never seen a Lars drum cam. Mario Duplantier, Chris Adler, Dave Lombardo, Tomas Haake, sure, all have drum cams and widely celebrated. Not so much with Lars. I'm not a drummer, so I lack the technical language to talk about it, but it is the playing of Joey, Mario, and Dave that has always felt right to me.

  • @metal4ever9116
    @metal4ever9116 2 года назад

    If you listen to the 1993 Mexico City version you can hear the intro counted by 4, and then it alternates between 4 and 3 hits with the hi-hat. Seems like its evolved over a long period of time.

  • @MetallicA7X92
    @MetallicA7X92 2 года назад

    The last part of the intro was tighter offcourse, but the hi-hat counts and starting on the snare has been there since atleast '91.

  • @janbakker7889
    @janbakker7889 2 года назад +2

    if I count along with the album version, it's 3 seconds in between... So imo it's not so strange he does that live with hi-hat. But overall it's funny seeing some explaining the mishaps in Lars' drumming even being aware of them for more than a decade myself 😅.

  • @jacksonkauflin8024
    @jacksonkauflin8024 2 года назад +3

    At first I was confused when you said the 3 hihat part wasn't in time because it sounded right to me, but after I listened to the clip you added at 2:35 I realized I misinterpreted "out of time". Lars rushes a little bit. I thought "out of time" meant the hits were not in the right rhythm, but they are, Lars is just a bit early.

  • @Aaron_French
    @Aaron_French 2 года назад

    Been wondering about this for years! Thanks !

  • @wheel326
    @wheel326 2 года назад

    My preferred style is when he fills the gap after the tom fill with two crashes. It sounds tighter.

  • @trevorcrist5456
    @trevorcrist5456 2 года назад +1

    He’s been doing the snare on the first bar since the Justice tour. Also, I think the other three are so used to the timing that they’re pretty much locked in. Sometimes he does get a little ahead of the beat between the two crashes and back to the tom

  • @morgancross5481
    @morgancross5481 2 года назад +1

    "All of the sudden I kind of trip forward" Yup that's a pretty good way of describing Lars as a drummer in general. 😂

  • @skyepicus
    @skyepicus 2 года назад

    01:24 "There are a lot of strange things that are happening. . . " Basically, Lars live for the past two decades. Lars 'Strange Things' Ulrich: drums, percussion, erratic beats and schizoid-based timing

  • @K-E-N-07
    @K-E-N-07 2 года назад +5

    Lars has managed to turn being a drummer that can't keep time into a style

  • @AntonioVideo
    @AntonioVideo Год назад

    I was listening to the song and I was wondering about this weird timing... then I type "Creeping Death intro timing" in RUclips expecting nothing but this video comes up. RUclips has everything.

  • @tx5brent
    @tx5brent 2 года назад +1

    I feel like the rushed intro gives it this feeling like you're being shoved into the song. On its own it sounds wrong, but add the guitars and bass in on time (off time) and it gives the intro a real forward push into the song. I really like it.

  • @Ic3Fighter
    @Ic3Fighter 2 года назад +1

    Now, you may hate on me, but I think it's actually feeling way nicer and smoother doing the rushed variant from 2021 live than keeping tight on time like in the studio version. Just feels more natural to me, I guess..

  • @devinaschenbrenner2683
    @devinaschenbrenner2683 2 года назад +10

    If Lars was precise with his fluctuating of the beat and time signature, that still keeps the energy ebb and flow of the band that would be fine. But that's not what it is. It's a band that's gotten use to a sloppy drummer, that just happens to be two guitarist that are fucking amazing so they can carry

  • @xliquidflames
    @xliquidflames 2 года назад +1

    Is Lars just not caring and just not counting anymore or is this an intentional, conscious decision they made to make this subtle change? As a non-drummer and hobbyist guitar player (at best) I can barely tell the difference.

    • @Hornswoop
      @Hornswoop 2 года назад

      I doubt that Lars is even aware that he's doing anything "wrong"

  • @PerezBroz-p5o
    @PerezBroz-p5o 2 года назад +1

    Great subject. I have been in a situation with a drummer who was playing a part so slightly wrong like this that he was completely deaf to the distinction and no amount of explanation could convince him that I knew what I was talking about. That said, my intuition tells me that this is not what's happening with Lars. I get the feeling that he is completely doing this deliberately sort of in an act of defiance because he feels like it makes it more aggressive and in your face. I could be wrong though.

  • @OnyxSkiesXIX
    @OnyxSkiesXIX 2 года назад +2

    The weird is that even if the album is more “correct,” it just sounds stiff. That live feel that they have these days is a lot more appealing to me.

  • @erikb5327
    @erikb5327 2 года назад +1

    He’s been doing that intro live for years now

  • @Good-Enuff-Garage
    @Good-Enuff-Garage Год назад

    I'm just happy to hear he discovered the hi hat has a foot pedal after all those years, now if we could only get him to play the ride cymbal

  • @sta15
    @sta15 2 года назад +2

    Lars has been opening with the snare since the 90s

  • @jamesnewcomb9834
    @jamesnewcomb9834 2 года назад +1

    this didnt include my favorite part, which is that tom roll he does right before the main riff

  • @MiguelGutierrez-vs9zu
    @MiguelGutierrez-vs9zu Год назад

    The cherry on the pie to all the complaints about Lars' timing in creeping death is the Toms fill of the intro. It has become a random fill of the snare and toms.... But somehow it works.

  • @kiltymacbagpipe
    @kiltymacbagpipe 2 года назад +15

    If Lars would just play to a click and stop playing fills every bar and a half he would be a fine drummer. I have seen a few videos where he does, or at least seemed to keep it simple and in time and it was amazing, but as is he has become a meme.

    • @derianefrain5745
      @derianefrain5745 2 года назад

      @@ianwakers He's not, he probably just practiced during the pandemic or he is using a new monitoring system, there's a really good vídeo here on RUclips showing how he's not playing to a click because he still has the tempo changes of a drummer not playing to a click, is specially noticeable on the recent Cyanide and Whiplash videos.

  • @EgoTherapieLee
    @EgoTherapieLee 2 года назад

    checking the art of guitar for the first time. expectimg.guitars. experiencing a drum video. not caring because its very well made and interesting ✌️

  • @KlaustheViking
    @KlaustheViking 2 года назад +1

    I saw Metallica for the first time at Louder Than Life and I even noticed the rushed into to the song. Despite that, they played really good for my first time seeing them (finally).

  • @mrdragonballfreak307
    @mrdragonballfreak307 2 года назад +3

    Hey Mike love the drumming vids

  • @HannahCope88
    @HannahCope88 2 года назад +2

    While watching this I couldn't help but feel Frank the Bunny was watching me through the drum kit haha! 😆 Love these dissecting videos! I've been watching most of the live videos Metallica have been putting out recently and they all look and sound crazy awesome. Seriously looking forward to the day I get to see them play live! 🔥🤘

  • @ColdSlayerFan
    @ColdSlayerFan 2 года назад

    Same with the part just after "I'm sent here by the chosen one",they speed it up and go right back

  • @JasonDrums24
    @JasonDrums24 2 года назад

    Not sure why this is confusing. There are still 4 counts between all thoughs, and you can count it out the exact same way on the album

  • @flamethegame1
    @flamethegame1 2 года назад +1

    Imo if lars does get these things wrong it doesnt matter because the big picture is still great

  • @LesGaming511
    @LesGaming511 2 года назад

    If you listen to the album he does the same thing without hi hats. He counts 4 - off the last note. Then on the second string of notes he counts 3. I imagine the Reason is because the 2nd string of notes is a beat longer so he keeps it 4. That's how it seems to me besides he and James never studied music structure much

  • @mammon_is_god
    @mammon_is_god 2 года назад

    "walking at a rhythm and tripping forward" is the family motto in the Ulrich home.