I won a tournament using terrible rental Pokemon
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2023
- Pokemon Stadium is now available to play on the Nintendo Switch. To celebrate I joined an 8 player tournament and won. Here's how.
Tournament Competitors
/ @kurpie
/ @ogalbina
/ @johnjunior
/ @justweavile
/ @invividcolor
/ @numbnexus
/ @0liviasama 
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Gen 1's battle system was created very late in development because the devs just wanted to make it about catching pokemon, and battles were just gonna be automatic. Though Nintendo basically forced them to add a battle system with like 4 to 5 months left of development.
The fact that the battle system works at all is a miracle in itself...
Of course, Stadium fixed some things and even messed up some things from the og RBY.
Damn… I wonder if that time executive meddling saved the franchise. Pokemon would not be the same without battling
@@DeathnoteBB i want to agree but there's enough afk battlers nowadays that makes it feel like it still would've been fine. Catching was the bigger component for most early players
When Game Freak was developing Pokémon Stadium, they realized that they had no specification documents for the battle system left. Satoru Iwata, who was working for HAL Laboratory at the time and had no affiliation with Game Freak, studied the original source code for the battle system and successfully implemented it into Pokémon Stadium in just ONE WEEK.
and without it, pokemon wouldn't have been so popular, it would be like pokemon go, and only gotten 1/10th of its possible customers.
Fun fact: In gen 1 focus energy is actually broken and makes it so the user is unable to crit. Because ofc it does.
Oh yeah lmao.
Another fun fact: it was actually fixed to work in Stadium
In most gen 1 games, it was thankfully fixed in Stadium
Stadium actually fixed many of the bugs that were present in Gen1.
Another fun fact, seismic toss hits the ghastly line and night shade hits normal types as well
Stadium has a few small mechanics differences from RBY, like Hyperbeam actually needing to recharge (even if you miss), partial trapping moves not damaging the upcoming Pokemon, sleep only lasting 1-3, substitute actually being very good and blocking status moves, focus energy working properly and some others.
Big Yellow did a great video recently related to the rentals metagame if you're curious and want to learn more about it
Also, don't forget the most important: Crit chance behaves different in stadium. They're not necessarily more or less frequent, but less reliant on base speed due to a 76/1024 constant added but only scaling with a quarter of your speed instead of half of it. In short: Slow mons crit more, medium speed crit more or less the same, fast one crit less.
@N12015 Big yellow more like shiny pimples, dimples, breakouts and hivs. PS I also follow them.
Persian is low key one of the best mons in Pkmn Stadium. Extremely high crit rates practically guarantee crits. The DVs allows Persian to be just slightly faster than Starmie despite the speed tie.
The set that is shown on the thumbnail (Slash, Growl, BubbleBeam, and Mimic) is actually a very close set to Persian's OU meta set, only subbing Growl for Hyper Beam, and Mimic is okay, but it's usually T-bolt instead.
@@hv433 It just so happens thats fine because Tauros sucks in rentals
@@1Pidds oh, definitely! Just saying that Persian is essentially an fully competitive threat and not just a "janky Rental set".
@@1Pidds Tauros isn’t that bad. It’s not the dominant force it normally is in gen 1 but it’s still relevant. Doubling up on tauros and Persian can work quite well
I feel like he just said Persian isn't low key anything in this game, they are HIGH key....like obvious and should be used which means it can't be low key.....but this is the only time I wouldn't have called someone stupid for saying its under rated, since Persian in this game is...under rated, but low key, not at all
Fun fact: in Gen 1, Poison and Bug are super effective against each other. I found that out when i used Sludge on a Pinsir in this game, and i looked it up. Gen 2 onwards, that wasnt the case.
Bug shouldn't have worked against Poison..but it did. Twin Needle was the only good bug move though
sadly, it makes a lot of sense for Poison at least to be super effective on Bug. Should be on Normal and other types as well.
@@OldManTastic and "good" is hardly true haha.
um...ok, wheres the fun and was this....news to you, seriously?
@@ravinraven6913 don't gatekeep lmao
I’m surprised there aren’t more tournaments done with rental pokemon. It’d be really cool to do this on a newer game and action replay/cheat in some battle factory pokemon
crazy how the animations have such personality unlike other gens, these look even better than some animations in the newer generations
While true this also only had to deal with 151 Pokemon and way less moves and mechanics
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69that IS true, i was just saying lol
@@S0U1K33P3R ScarVi and Arceus improved the move animations a lot at least, I definitely think certain Pokemon should get special animations, not even for signature moves as much as moves they would have a special use for
"Terrible" puts Slash Persian there lmao
I think the lower evolutions having better moves is kinda cool since it gives a reason to use them.
"it gives a reason to use them"
*By forcing the las evolution To have shutty moves*
@@MrLachapell Uh, yeah, thats literally why he said that.
Surprised Nintendo released this for NSO and allowed people to see how an N64 game had embarrassingly better animations than the actual Switch Pokemon games...
was thinking the same, older games just had more freedom and soul
Well. Because 151 animation sets is probably far, far easier than 1021?
There are more Pokemon now (though not close to a thousand in any individual game due to dexit) but they already had better battle animations up to Gen 4 from Pokemon Battle Revolution that could have been reused for at least half of them if needed. Gen 5 added a lot of new Pokemon that didn't have contemporary 3D models, but after that the incremental additional work needed per gen should have been less than Gen 1.
@@djgames6481 7x the number of pokemon, sure, but probably far more than 7x the budget so it proobably balances out
Bring back battle revolution
Snorlax doing a drop kick is something I didn’t know I needed in my life
Honestly this is such a fun wacky meta, glad to see you guys giving it some love!! Gotta love the weird movesets and fun low poly animations
Low poly? It looks great!
When you take a look at both Machamp’s Mewtwo’s hands, you start to see the low poly quality for sure. But other than that these graphics are amazing and were ahead of it’s time.
11:59
"think of it like a pokémon with the simple ability using calm mind"
swoobat at home:
Fun fact this is pokemon stadium 2 in Japan. Japans third game is called pokemon stadium gs (our two) Their 1 didn't have much pokemon and more were planned to be added as dlc or expansion pack stuff
actually really tense battles with lots of neat rng plays. enjoyed this man thank you
4:20 😂 The poor graveler missing self destruct
Strongly recommend big yellow’s video on the stadium rentals metagame if people are interested in this
Again, congrats on the W Cal! And the luck in that last battle was incredible.
You always surprise me with your Pokémon battle knowledge and ability to adapt to new formats. There’s a difference between just being good at one particular game and being able to adapt to any situation. I’m glad to see you get the victory even if it was rng heavy and hope to see you enjoy more stuff like this in the future
yeah man. i freaking LOVE video games
Man the use of origami king music is amazing makes me want to play the game again, definitely makes these battles more tense good job cal
The funny thing is, that's not even a bad Gen 1 Persian build
Well done for the win and the great battles!
Oh hi foo
I’m honestly just happy that Persian is getting the love it deserves😂
24 years later? if they were animals, theyd have died before they were used....
It gets a lot of love actually in the gen1 meta
@@ravinraven6913 what
loving watching this and seeing you play against a few of my good friends! You proved that you still got it😉
From what I remember, raichu and dragonair are good rentals
Porygon, too
This was interesting to watch, speaking as a player who's greatly familiar with gen 1, decently familiar with gen 2, and not at all familiar with anything after that. It was fun watching you carefully explain things like Amnesia, which I already knew front and back, using analogies to Calm Mind, which I know nothing about~.
Taking a long look at the rental pokemon, Lapras seems very good in that field. Most rentals have garbage moves but Ice beam with STAB, Body slam to paralyze, and sing. Really enjoyed the flash back in time!
I was distracted by something around the part where you mentioned the prize money and I zoned back in like "oh shit wait he won?"
...it's the title of the video 🙃
Yeah gen 1 jank is real. I almost forgot they fixed focus energy in Stadium, and thought thats why the Marrowak didn't crit, but apparently they did so that really was lucky lol.
Neat video! Thanks for uploading! It's both a blessing & a curse that Stadium ended up favoring this meta....
RBY OU is my favorite meta to play and I'm so glad to see others giving it a try. Congrats on the win, Callum. Don't sweat about the RNG. It's what RBY is all about.
My dude was born on pkmn day's 1st year anniversary...its clearly fate ✨️🌟✨️
Jolteon, articuno, and tauros is the trio i drunkenly selected to run through gym battle tower. It is terrifying and incredibly hard to beat. I used ninetales for confuse ray/dig/quick fire spin moveset, parasect for bulk/spore swapouts with growth/mega drain set up, and vaporeon to finish out the FWG core with acid armor to outbulk attackers while surfspamming.
If id change anything id be tauros/parasect but they are doing very well. The jolteon pin missile into vaporeon quick attack shreds alakazam and the jolteon toxic into ninetales fire spin is also incredible
Kinda surprised I didn't see Electrode or Scyther on any of those teams.
Great battles though, props to the team that brought Golduck.
I think its because scyther has double team. So it couldn't be on any team that had Zapdos.
Scyther unfortunately has a few problems, namely it's Slash is weaker since even though it has higher Attack, it doesn't have STAB, Scyther is slower so it gets outspeed by threats like Starmie, and Scyther just doesn't have a good solution to the rocks. Scyther does fair a bit better against the ghosts with a 10% chance to 4hko Haunter as opposed to the 8hko that Persian would have to settle with because of Bubblebeam... though Gengar does do a minimum of 70% to Scyther with Thunderbolt and outspeeds so eh... I guess it can function as an okay alternative to Tauros on Normal spam teams, but I'm hard pressed to find a situation where you'd actively want to take Scyther over Persian.
I swear i learn something new about Gen 1 every single day
Toxic is quite bad in gen 1. It's better to spam paralyze but most rentals pokemon lack the para chance
this was May dream back in the 90s, to play a tournament would have been huge
I think my proudest achievement was completing the ultra ball prime cup, with rental pokemon only, as a kid who had no idea what he was doing.
Well revist and beat it's ass! Give r2 a try
This was pretty insane to watch I got to say!
Those Pokémon animations are hilarious XD
The fact that Snorlax dropkicks the opponent made my day
I can’t wait to see a Pokémon stadium 2 tournament
i literally watched a stadium competitive analysis yesterday
Persian is actually pretty good with slash.
Yep, strong attack and guaranteed critical hit with Slash
you're so good at pokemon man it's always impressive to watch
Ooh, I like this (I'm configuring my phone's keyboard layout)
Rental Arbock is actually kinda broken, as you can attack without them being able to do anything about it and in this game I missed 6 songs in a row with jiggly puff and got crit 4 times in a row which is why I hate it
I wish i knew all of this years ago. I didn’t get to use my own for a while as they were either too good for one game mode, but too bad for other ones. Rentals were really the only ones I used. Also, used the game as a new game plus to trade pokemon back to myself after starting a new game, with mixed results considering i only had one version of the game at the time (good luck convincing mom and dad to get you what looks like the same game to them).
I miss Gen 1 Persian's pose seeing it again :(
Paraplersian
Just replace growl with Dig or something, and it's just like my old Persian from Pokémon Blue 😂
"Snorlax has mega kick, which packs one hell of a punch" lol
LOL
I say that tournament would be fun. I would have loved to enter!
4:18 Oh my god the pain is coming back to me.
Fire spin is brutal when combined with either poison or burn, as it damages between hits
Big Yellow did a breakdown of the Stadium Rentals meta and noted some of the major tiering differences between the OU Big Guns and their Rentals counterparts, as well as a few other notable high-tiers.
Persians roaring animation (like when sent out) is so cursed lol
The edits go hard
0:29 i'd like to see you try out the Battle Revolution rentals.
not the ones you're given after beating the Rental Pass tournament (like Nate and Cyndy); i mean the rental mons you obtain in the Trade Battles format.
let me give you the context.
it works as follows: you beat the opponent, and you choose a pokemon to trade - *just 1.*
there's Single, where you choose 3 mons, and Doubles, where you choose 4.
there's also ranks to climb. the higher you climb, the more pokemon you "unlock".
more context: i know the moves because i went to the site called "Pokemon Battle Revolution opposing pokemon data".
depending on the format you choose, the rental pokemon's moveset changes. for example, Charizard in the Single's format Trade battle gets Fire Blast; in Doubles format, he gets Flamethrower.
every rental pokemon has 3 fixed moves, the 4th is *random.* and their item and ability are random, too.
if you're searching for a rental pokemon with a specific 4th move, not only are you forced to choose one of the candidates that are probably not that good, but be prepared to endure HOURS of grinding! why? because the opponent can only have 3 or 4 pokemon in battle (depending if it's Single or Double), so you better hope they're using the pokemon you're after in the battle; and pray that you win, because that's the only way you can choose which mon to trade! and even if you manage to beat your opponent, chances are the mon you're after won't have the move you want, so you'll have to start all over again!
(i didn't get past Rank 4, because i *knew* what i had to do and how long i'd take)
the point i'm trying to make? some rental pokemon in Battle Revolution have a fantastic moveset, such as Flygon in the Double Trade Battle: it's 3 fixed moves are Earthquake, Dragon Claw and Protect (get used to seeing that move in the Trade Battles section of the site i mentioned at the start. most mons have it); with the candidates for the 4th random move being Steel Wing, Dig, Stone Edge, Solar Beam, Rock Tomb, Flamethrower, Secret Power, Fire Blast, U-Turn, Dragon Pulse and Giga Impact.
while other mons are basically screwed over, like Salamence - also in the Double Trade Battle: who has Dragon Claw, Crunch and Protect as the 3 fixed moves; while the candidates for the 4th random move are Rock Smash, Facade, Aerial Ace, Rock Tomb, Rock Slide, Fly and Secret Power... he didn't even get Heat Wave as a candidate, let alone Flamethrower! nor did he get a Special Dragon type move. not even Hydro Pump.
how is any of this related to Stadium's rental pokemon? you think Stadium's rentals have questionable movesets? wait 'til you get a load of some of the movesets of the Battle Revolution rental mons! (if you visit the site)
Battle Revolution 2/Stadium 3, should it happen, better have improved rental pokemon.
While I DID have Pokemon Stadium growing up as a kid, I did not have any sort of GBA adapter so I played with only rentals growing up.
I did learn a whole lot of Gen 1 stuff tho over time like how 1 hit KO moves are based on if the user goes first. (Meaning Paralyze them to half their speed and then 1 hit KO) or even that Toxic and Leech Seed stack together. (What I mean by this is as Toxic gets stronger, so does Leech Seed.).
Today however I learned why my Slash team critted way too often. (Still love that Dugtrio can Slash.)
I love the Paper Mario Origami King music :D
Well done, Cal
That was a scare, huh? The Graveler into Slowbro Jolteon panic switch
yah LOL
@@HoodlumCallum But, at the same time, it's not unconcievable that your opponent switched Jolteon to Articuno or another pokemon to beat your Graveler
Lets get more of these
The whole "psychics are the best type" thing is a bit overstated. They're only the second best type in regular RBY OU. The actual best type is probably normal: the big 3 (Chansey, Tauros and Snorlax) that you see in every serious team are all normal types. They generally have amazing coverage options (which means they aren't even walled by rock types), as well as access to stab hyper beam and body slam, and the type that was supposed to counter them (fighting) is absolutely terrible at its job. The big 3 aren't as good in stadium though since their rental movesets are ass.
I was unaware until Big Yellow's video of the terrible DV's slanted towards the better Pokemon such as my boy Zapdos. He glossed over it in that video in a few seconds and I've found Zapdos to be mandatory with the amount of good things it brings to the table lol.
I guess if you play it all smogon like the DV's are bad enough it impacts speed creep.
Nice tournament showing off.
Wow, Flash making Self Destruct *miss* is lucky as all get out. Wow.
Important DV considerations: Jynx outspeeds Zapdos, and Charizard probably does too.
i fucking love this, i already knew which mons would be picked lol we overplayed this game so much with rentals
Persian based
What a fantastic time
Ok, this is awesome
Don’t worry not even Gen 1 Pokémon understands how Gen 1 Pokémon works.
correction: Normal types are the best in Gen 1
Mew would be better than Mewtwo if it was Normal-type
cool video. would've been cool if you put an X over each mon as it faints
Good thing you didnt face an Exeggutor HoodCal bc you're team would had been screwed!
not really!
it's so funny how the pokemon staduim HAS NO TIMER
Articunos ice beam freezes the opponet way more often than 10% one of the reasons im about thru round 2 already
Doesn't focus energy quarter crit chance in gen 1?
rentals are very fun, very inusual way strats
Theres many things i want to comment on here, vut theres two specific things that i just wanna say -
For psychics, It doesnt matter that there are only 3 ghost moves in gen 1, or that the only non set damage one is the garbage lick - after all, in gen 1, psychic is immune to ghost.
2 - though charizard and zapdos speed tie by bst, in rentals the stat experience is different based on the pokemon you choose. Zapdos has very little stat experience, and thus it gets outsped by jynx and haunter in rentals, and likely doesnt come close to speed tying charizard. Same thing applies to Persian and starmie - Persian is just flat faster than starmie, despite the same base speed stat.
Neither of these are detriments to the video, i just like to talk about gen 1 stuff.
gen 1 stuff is really intriguing i learned a lot
4:20 self-destruct is good
>misses
focus energy was glitched in gen 1. It lowered crit
4:21 zappos be like "this is fine"
Fun note: there were 3 Ghost moves in gen 1 but 2 of the 3, Confuse Ray and Night Shade, can't hit super effectively and the last, Lick, is actually worthless as Psychic types were for sone reason immune to Ghost gen 1 atop its low power. Sooooo 0 Ghost moves actually mattered versus Psychic
Not to mention the 3 Ghosts are also Poison type.
ngl some of these teams hurt to look at
The concept of rental Pokemon always seemed so funny to me. They just exist to be marched out into battle, they aren't very good, they're free - Just send them out to get obliterated. There's something disturbingly cavalier about calling them "rentals."
here i am wondering why jynx ice punch is flagged as an illegal move, thats what the pink text is supposed to mean
Imagine in gen 1 just having a pokemon maxed out in speed buff and using guillotine to take out every single pokemon.
Hop on to pokemon showdown and give it a try
Due to how the game is programmed, if PARAS outspeeds you. You are gone and you have to switch out
Paras is suprisingly useful yes,
It's biggest problem is (next to fast enemies) the Sleep Clause in Stadium, which even includes self induced sleep.
@@Robin93k I'm just shocked that it's even somewhat useful in a genuine competitive setting
@@fancykingkirby Welp that's simply the power of Spore.
Meanwhile that persian set is very optimal lol
> has one optimal move
> "very optimal"
wut?
@HoodlumCallum growl is usless and mimic is a gimmick but it only needs its spam slash and a move to hit anything that resists slash, bubblebeam for rhydon and golem. It doesn't have any other good moves besides maybe substitute to scout a switch so id call it pretty optimal
@@victorlinares4137It usually has toxic and hyper beam also
@HoodlumCallum toxic is ok but that basically hands a sleep immunity to something and hyperbeam doesn't work the same on stadium as it does on cartridge. Even aftwr a ko it forces a recharge turn
what is the page you are using to get the information about attacks?
God what is the song being used in the kurpie fight?
pokemon stadium rentals were always weird because the evolved forms had worse moves than the unevolved pokemon. also chancey was a beast because of its massive health and special
Something I want to point out, Gen 1 had a glitch that made Psychic immune to Ghost instead of being weak to it. I'm not sure if this applies to Stadium, but I still wanted to bring it up.
Psychic is immune to Ghost type in Gen 1, even in Stadium. Not like it matters, cus Lick is still 20 Power. And, there's no good Ghost move until Gen 2 being Shadow Ball.
discord where are these tournaments held?
i played this game a lot in the n64
How are the videos in this channel so many times better edited than the main channel videos of yours I've been watching for nearly a decade, but also this channel has such few subs
scripted content vs non scripted content
I love Persian’s animations 🥰
The reason why NumbNexus had a Golduck is for the type counter. Knowing how popular certain types are, it was a safe bet to have a water/psychic type around.
Golduck is pure Water
*ghost is bugged and psychic is immune to it.
Why is Jynx and her Ice Punch with purple text? That usually means the move is hacked onto the Pokémon but these are all rentals?