🔴 Crazy Sharp + Micro-Contrast | Zeiss ZM 25mm Biogon f2.8 Review (25mm Leica M Mount lens)
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Ep.18) Why I shoot 25mm! Zeiss ZM Biogon 25mm 2.8 Review & Photos (25mm lens for Leica)
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Looking for the best 25mm lens for Leica? Perhaps you just found it! If you search for Leica 25mm lens you will find that Leica only make 24mm lenses. Here I look at the Zeiss Biogon 25mm f2.8 lens (ZM mount which is the Leica M mount version). I show the Voigtlander 25mm vs Zeiss 25mm for size comparison. Video also includes Zeiss Biogon 25mm sample photos - I enjoy using it as a walkabout lens and especially for my Leica wedding photography.
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Incredible! The images produced by this lens are simply stunning. Gorgeous work.
Weihan Xingqi thanks! 🙏🏻
Your information and samples are unparalleled.
Sean Cook thanks Sean!
Well-done, informative presentation. Thanks! I really do love my 50mm Leica lenses; Summilux-M ASPH, Summicron-M Special Edition “Rigid” replica, with 1979 optical elements, and Elmar-M collapsible, but will readily use Zeiss ZM and Voigtlander VM lenses, in the other focal lengths. I just took delivery of a well-preserved, pre-owned sample of the Zeiss 25mm Biogon ZM, through the evil-bay. The price was a bit less than $600 US, before taxes and shipping.
Thanks Rex, good price, I paid over $1000 I think for mine.
21 mm is my happy place. The 25/2.8 is a beauty though! I remember reading that at the time this lens was brought out it set a new resolution record!
Michael Epstein thanks Mike, ah great information thanks! Good to know this. 👌🏻
Informative as usual 😁🙏
liamrjf thanks Liam 🙏🏻
Thanks a lot. 🙏 I’am reorganizing my “gear” and noticed there’s a lag between 21 an 35. This 25mm is now high on my list. 🙏
The walkabout lens: well, when I go out, I just choose one lens+camera and then I find the pictures that matches that frame ( 15, 21, 27, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150 all 35eq)). Its a nice way off looking around and framing the world. My main choice is 15, 21, 27, 35, If have to pick one 27, Even walking around with 100mm zeiss macro f2 (planar) is big fun, amazing (on apsc or full frame, or 44x33) etc....
I almost forgot, the camera (restrictions/posibilities) also frames my frame, if that makes sense to jou. Its playing around...😁
Hey thanks! Yes I was in the same position as you.. I had a big gap between 21 and 28. Love 25 now! :)
In the wide department, started out on 24 (1.4 nikkor g), moved on to 25 (f2 zeiss zf), finally arrived at 28 (f2 zeiss zf, less analytic than the 25, nicer rendering). Like all three focal lengths. My preference for the 28 is based on the model’s character, not its focal length. - Cool video, matt!
Thanks Lugen! Ah yes I've seen the rendering of the 28 ZF... it's amazing! I nearly bought that lens once :) I have a Nikkor 28/2.8 AIS on my Nikons currently.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I've a ZE 28ƒ2 and its my favorite. Yes, the 25 distagon ZE is a little sterile, but for architectural, its great. The 28 distagon has strong field curvature.
I use a 1970s Zuiko 24mm f2.8 on my Fuji X-Pro1 and my OM1N. I have three examples and I prefer the rendering of the above mentioned lens to the later multi coated version. The corners are slightly soft wide open, but the centre definition is fairly decent.
I'm surprised you've never tried an OM1, they are decent little cameras. My last Leica was a iiif red dial, which was very rewarding to use.
Thanks Ian, from memory I had an OM1 or OM10 when first dipping my feet into film photography. I had a I nice set of 4 cheap at the time Zuiko primes which I shot on the early M43 cameras. I do like the 24mm/25mm focal length! :)
Just added the Biogon 25 zm. Now I am all m mount on my SL2-S. I have really fallen in love with prime manual focus even on the SL2-S. I tried the big SL lens and just did not like the size and have fallen out of favor of using AF. Nice review. I had the Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron II on my list but with the Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 too close to the same FL.
Nice, yes the SL series are excellent for MF / M glass
Thanks for the review. Im a Canon body/Zeiss ZE lens/28mm+ guy. I know what you mean about the 25- I had some fuji lenses (sold last year) and fell in love with their 16mm over the 18mm. I also have both the 28 and 25 Zeiss ZE. I'm again into Leica (in film days I had R4, 5, 6s; M3 and M6- sold for child support) and looking at this 25! I'm comparing with the Elmarit 24, but I love Zeiss, and its cheaper. My leica is monochrome (and Q2M) for myself, the R5/R with the zeiss for the range if I'm not walking.
Thanks. The 25mm easily outperforms the 24mm Elmarit R I have. Fantastic optics which is why I keep them.
I like the Zeiss Sonnar 24mm 1.8 as well as the Fujifilm XF 23mm 1.4 R. Both are very sharp with solid build quality. I shoot them both in b & w primarily.
4WHEELBIKER thanks for sharing. I’ll check it. 👍🏻
Nice video. Thanks! This lens is very tempting. I shoot Leica film cameras, but also Fuji digital. And my favorite lens in the Fuji X system is their 1.4/16mm (i.e. 24mm equivalent). I also love their 2.8/16mm as a walk-around street photography lens. In other words, I know what you mean about 24/25mm being the sweet spot between 21mm and 28mm.
Thank you Brandon! Ah great i'm glad you are with me on the 24/25mm. This lens is excellent on film if you do want to spend money haha :) Keep an eye on eBay for deals..
Another great show
I like your show vids you know what I mean very succinct to the point, relevant, but what I get out this is far more than lens reviews. Thankyou
Thank you Dave, I appreciate that thanks 🙏🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I used to shoot models for very long time but never with a wide lens probably because of studio work so it's refreshing to see
davejenx thanks Dave, good to hear you shot models. Yes 99.5% of my model shots are 50mm or wider.
i like your accent. i do snap photography and am big fan of small lenses. thanks for your recommendations, it's been very helpful. i own aps digital camera and use 15mm or 21mm voigtlander lenses.
Ha thanks, my accent could be a lot better :) Great both good lenses. Even smaller lenses to come in future videos :)
I have settled down to using the zeiss 35mm f1.4 distagon and zeiss 25mm f2.8 zm with some use for my 90mm f2.8 tele-elmarit thin.
The distagon is the best lens i have ever used but the zeiss 25mm is a dazzling lens with great contrast and stunning colour.
So im very lucky,.
thanks for the review great stuff as always.
stephen edmunds thanks! Yes I hear great things about the distagon! 👌🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom its fair to say its a big lens for the M but its razor sharp and renders beautifully in my view,your models would like it im sure.
stephen edmunds thanks , yes my most used lens on the CL I’m my 35 1.2 vII Voigtlander and that is also big though where possible I carry smaller lenses. I will add it to my bucket list if I ever see one at a good price, thanks.
I use 24mm, many years ago I used 28mm. The 28mm I find is often OK wide at the long horizontal side, but the short vertical side are often too narrow for landscape photography, you get often too little sky or foreground. I also have a 20mm which I sometimes use, but is is most the 24mm. I think 20/21mm, 24/25mm and 35mm wide angle lenses are the most useable :) I have tryied wider lenses down to 13mm, it can be very impressive some times if you have fx an impressive sky with clouds of an interior where there are not room enough to use a 20/21mm, but in the long run I get tired of watching those ultra wide angle images. I do not have a 35mm at the moment, but I am thinking of getting one for walk around candid lens, at this time I use either the 24mm or a 60mm for candid shooting.
Nice thanks for info. Maybe check my 35mm Ultron video if you want 35mm. Super sharp lens! My sharpest 35.
Nice video as usual and indeed a very attractive lens. Regarding focusing, I assume that since it is a wide angle lens, if you shoot at say f8 and use the hyper focal distance (put infinity on f8), everything from about 10 feet to infinity would be in focus.
Thanks! Yes pretty much all is in focus at f8
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Thanks for the video I enjoyed it as always, my personal favourite focal length is 50 mm.
Martin Scholz thanks! Yes me too by a big margin! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom at the moment I Shot the 50mm cron rigid 1965 😀
Martin Scholz nice 👍🏻
Thanks for your Review! I‘ve just bought one new yesterday. I’ve plan a tour in Rome, and I’d like to make some street shots at night. I’ve a M10. I know that it ist not so bright.... but who knows....
Thanks, with a slow shutter speed it will be great. Very nice lens! :)
How does the Zeiss 25/2.8 hold up in Infrared light? The CV 25/4 Snapshot Skopar is perfect here, tested recently with IR film. Love the Snapshot Skopar which I use on my IIIc and on M cameras as well. I like its image quality and compact size. Zone focusing always gets me right with it, too. Voigtländer also offers a newer 21/25 viewfinder which is smaller and brighter than the one you showed.
Martin's Analog Photo Channel thanks Martin, good question. I never test this with my portraits. Good to hear about SnapShot, thanks! 👍🏻
I bought Zeiss Biogon 25mm f2.8 Silver-lens years ago. It's not my favorite angle of view, but I think it's a good lens for the price.
Thanks yes I've had mine since I had my M9. I normally shoot portraits so I don't use it day to day but for weddings I like it and if on vacation.
Would you have chosen 35/21 in stead?
Great.
P.S:
Do you know how this one compares (micro contrast, rendering and all) to the biogon c 35mm f2.8?
Thanks.
Hi Arthur, I don't have the 35mm but I expect it to be very similar. (A very well regarded lens)
Hi Matt. I have seen all your reviews i think :) Great work. Keep it up !
I love this lens for its focal lenth, sharpness, looks and weight. Since you also use a LUMIX ff camera, have you adapted this one without any smearing or corner issues on the mirrorless? I actually would like to adapt this lens to a Sony a7c
Thank you in advance for your reply
Thanks Kostas! All 265+ videos!? :P I think Sony are said to smear more than Lumix. I have shot 21mm lenses on the Lumix S5 with no real issues. 25mm will be fine.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hey Matt. Yeah i think all of them. Sorry if i missed one or two. LOL
I appreciate for the reply btw. I got really confused since others say that have no issue, and other do. Anyway, i need to find a 25 and test it myself i guess
Thank you again Matt. Keep up the fabulous work !
Leica stopped the production of all 24mm M Mount Lenses view months ago. If you like this focal length maybe you can find it a bit cheaper now. For me personally 35mm is already wide. But I think 35mm is a great allrounder for me. But I also have the Voigtländer 21mm color skopar, but I don't use it very often.
Thanks Alexander! Great info as usual, thanks! :) Interesting to hear so thanks for sharing. Yes everyone is different.. for me it is very location specific. Out in the desert I shot 50/90/135mm ..London 15/21/25mm for example..
Hello , will this work ok on Sony A7ii , with leica m mount adapter or is it for film cameras for Leica
Hi all lenses mount on film and digital cameras in the same way. I’ve not used Sony cameras but yes with the M adapter from Amazon it will fit no problem.
My camera is M240, I don't use an external viewfinder. Please recommend only one of Biogon ZM 25mm OR 28mm for use in street photography. I know the frameline doesn't support 25mm
Hello, I think the 25mm and 28mm are very similar so it is personal preference. I found 28mm too tight for how I saw the world hence I got the 25mm. Both will be excellent.
Hello Matt, do you think this lens will cover a Fujifilm 4433 sensor? If so it would become a biogon very close to 20mm (which is the same as SWC / mamiya 43mm) ? Thanks
Hi Dominic, I’m not sure TBH. Maybe try to find if other Fuji users are using similar lenses to get an idea. Sorry.. I can say the SWC/M I have is awesome! The 43mm I couldn’t quite get into in the same way.
Thank you for your reply Matt.
I have an GFX and will search for a 25mm biogon for checking. For sure Hassy SMC is king where it has the same wide angle both in horizontal and vertical. Anyway love your channel, keep it up :)
Hi Matt 'long time no see' - but as ever before your videos rock.
May I ask one question re. the carl zeiss lenses for leica and this one in particuar ?
How accurate is the infinity stop ? I have quite a few Leica lenses and their infinity stop is spot on. Nikon mostly is OK as well but no other brand ever 'made' it.
For me a hard infinity is make or break, I do only landscape work , now retired from 45 years commercial photoraphy it is a nice paid 'hobby'. But my eyesight is getting less and so a hard infinity is for me super imporatant. I could not find the answer anywhere - so you are my last hope !
Thanks !! Jacob
Hi Jacob, welcome back. Yes this varies so much lens to lens. I’d say more likely modern lenses are usually slightly off. Can’t say about this one specifically.
Hi Matt very good review and great samples as usual but as a CL user I 'll stick to my TL23 f1.2 or my Elmarit 28 f2.8 as most of the time I do not need to focus less to 0.7m
Hi Jerome! Yes for you the TL23 is a no brainer. It gives a great AF small setup. (I'm not sure if you have ever been tempted by my Patreon but I chat more on there week to week about feelings on cameras + all the other usual stuff, Leica, models, money saving tips etc etc. I wrote about the CL last week and have more to say soon as just used it for a trip).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Matt thx for your respons ... I 'll subscribe to your Patreon .. did not have time today to do it :) I'll join very soon .. cheers
@@jeromearnould9940 thanks and sorry to try to hook you in! You can cancel after a month if no good but yes some CL thoughts (more) coming. :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom no worry I 'm sure I can get lot from it :)
Jerome Arnould 👌🏻🙏🏻
Thanks a lot for this insightful review. I’ve read somewhere that this lens wide open has very heavy vignetting. Does anyone confirm (or not) that ?
Normally I show this in the video. Most widre lenses have more vignetting but I'm not sure exactly about this one.
How it perform on a M 240 with the use of EVF2 and tripod for landscape photography?
I love it, you can use LiveView being a wide lens.
have you tried it on the SL ? if so how are you liking it there ?
Hey Marc, Not yet, i'm always testing lenses so i've not had chance to use that combination yet. I will keep the lens so I will use the combination at some stage.
I recently bought the 28mm for my minolta CLE. The 28mm is equal to this?
Hi, I like my 40mm Minolta but is it the same as the Biogon.. no.. that lens design has quite a special look... but i'm sure it's still good, just different.
Great informative and enjoyable video. Please can you put the sample photos up for a moment longer as there’s some great shots towards the middle of the video in particular and they’re gone so quickly it’s difficult to enjoy them / consider the effect of the focal length. Obviously I’m nit picking. Keep up the great work.
Marcus Blank thanks Marcus, I guess I didn’t want to waste people’s time so try to show it fast ha. Ok yes I will try this in future as see how it is received. Thanks.
28/50 guy. Bought a Q, then (f me) a 246 monochrome. Haven’t had Leica since film days. Have every Zeiss ZE mount on a few Canon R/R5 bodies. For M, Bought a 50 nokton 1.2, summarit 90 2.5, and now the wides. I’m also gravitating to 25 after loving the Fuji 16 so much. Dunno… get a 25, then 21?
I got 21 then 25 but get what you need most first.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks, man. i see we're both lens fanatics. I once tested every 50mm, adapted or converted, on ef.
I'm thinking if I did 21, then do I sell the Q to fund a 25, or more likely, a 28?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I messed up. Trading the 25 biogon for a 21 SEM. I’ll get a 21 3.5 VM for my pocket, but I’ll Q>Q2 for that M gap. Just stick to the plan (me).
Matt, do you know how the 25mm Biogon performs on the X1D, even considering 24x36mm crop?
Eszet I’ve not tried it but that should be a killer combination!! Such a good lens 👌🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I am concerned the Biogon may not work too well on a sensor not specially design for this type of lens. What do you reckon? Did you ever adapt it to any other digital full frame body?
Eszet sorry I’ve not. Maybe try to find some Sony shooters that use it or ideally test it in a shop.
I think I need this lens
Me too! Check eBay links, if see one under £600 grab it! :)
Matt Osborne wanna go halvies?!?! Lol!!!
Haha maybe I’ll start a rental scheme one day 😆😊
Hi
Surprise surprise i use a 25mm voigtlander but also have a Zeiss 35mm f2 and 50m f2 .
I believe right or wrong that both Zeiss and voigtlander are made in the same factory?
Ha thanks Alan and Karen! We have good taste it seems! Yes I think I remember hearing that they are all made in the same place but i'm sure someone else will confirm for you. (I've not Googled it).
Yes, made by Cosina in Japan.
Paul Matthews thanks 🙏🏻
Zeiss me silver or black? What fits best with leica m?
Personal choice for colour depending on camera body colour. You need ZM lens to fit M mount
would you consider reviewing the Zeiss 28mm f2.8?
If I owed one yes, if I get to play with one in the future I will no problem 👍🏻
..but I would expect the same amazing results as this lens.
How does 25 mm work with leica framelines?
Good question, I use 25mm finder on hotshoe as some Leica only go as wide as 28mm.
If you already owned a 21mm would you go for 25mm or 28mm?
There’s no fixed answer. I use all 3. 25 can be the sweet spot sometimes.
I’m looking for the best 35mm in Leica M. I’m convinced its the Zeiss 35mm F1.4 distagon. Your thoughts.
Depends if need fast or small. Yes Distagon is possibly the best but Biogon 35mm is amazing too and smaller. (From my knowledge/ what I’ve seen).
Matt Osborne I have the Biogon LOVE IT!!!
Marlon Crutchfield thanks Marlon! 👌🏻
if you don't mind the 2.8 aperture, the Zeiss C Biogon 35mm is simply the best 35mm non Leica lens I have used - it packs a punch for the price.
Robert Stacy thanks Robert. That was my understanding too. 👍🏻
How’s the color shifting on the edges with M240?
Ryan McGinty no issue with this or 21mm Biogon. I use both for client work (weddings). Only lens I have with issue is Voigtlander 15mm old M version.
Matt Osborne Thank you Matt! Wide angle primes can be tricky in a digital era when original designs were for film. I hope Zeiss makes another 90mm, 45mm similar to the Contax G90 and G45. My two favorite Zeiss lenses to uses on mirror less. Kicking myself for not getting them converted to M’s when I could.
@@GrainyByNature Thanks Ryan, yes good point. Sorry to hear.. yes I think in hindsight we could have donw many things different! :) I would have a Bessa R4M.. as one example (when they were cheap) :)
biogon has more 3d pop than voigtlander?
For me yes
28mn is for me
I love the Elmarit 28mm and it’s size but for weddings I prefer wider (and walkabout too).
On my M8 it's basically a 35mm lens
Yes the M8 has the 1.33x crop
This lens sits on my M 262. Makes my M into a Q. The 28mm on the Q is proportedly closer to a 26mm.
Thanks and ahhh interesting stuff!! Thanks for sharing that Q info. + great lens isn't it! :)