Pog letting Jonas get the stage win would have been disrespectful to Jonas. Jonas does not need hand outs, he is an incredible rider who has won the tour twice and smashed Pog on stages in the past. Gifting him the win is silly, Pog knows that and so does Jonas. Two amazing competitors, fantastic tour!
Great point! Handouts are just as disrespectful and Jonas was sweating bullets. He had a great comeback from injuries and a great record, but Pog is peaking now. And when he explained how much recon his team had been traing for, Pog didnt need to explain nothing more, they executed their training perfectly and for that he deserves every bit of celebration!
Couldn't agree more ,last year They beat pog up on every stage possible with a dodgy wrist to the point where he said on radio " I'm dead " This is payback from a k8d who didnt like being bullied ,the little kid hit back and people are crying about it
@@JaiJai-by4tp I mean to be fair Vingegaard didnt win a single stage last year, well exept for the TT. In the last mountain finish he was actually criticised for not attacking Pogacar when he looked much stronger. Now Jonas said that he didnt have the legs and didnt give anything to Pogacar. But you cant really claim that Visma took everything from Pogacar.. that is just silly.
@Pawsk if you're suggesting they didnt as a team smash him to pieces every chance they had then you're lying ,they did exactly that ,stage wins or not,that's a simple fact
Today Pogačar gave the breakaway a chance to win, but Remco's team reeled the breakaway back in. Remco and Jonas's battle basically put the stage in Pogačar's lap. Pogacar's job is to win. His team pays him big money to win. So he won. Get over it!
While I lean more towards this opinion, one thing I think worth considering is that sometimes, guys who he's taking wins away from are domestiques who gave every drop of energy to their team leader. When you're racing vs Jonas, like Stage 20, sure. Take the win. But on Stage 19, you're fighting vs a domestique who obliterated himself for Jonas for 2.5 weeks while you spend most of the race surfing wheels. Also he's ridden the whole race in the front. It's not a truly equal fight. I'm not saying Tadej wouldn't win vs Matteo in normal circumstances BUT offering just a different perspective.
@@8rk It doesn't matter if he's fighting against domestiques or not. He wanted to win his home stage so he went for it. He also made the stage interesting... Do you really want him to lose 1:40, because he shouldn't attack domestiques? Also, if he doesn't attack domestiques and the domestiques come back as satellites to help Jonas on the climb, is that dishonorable too? Making all these stupid rules just leads to more confusion. The goal is to win the stages AND the race. If Pogacar went for the mountain classification, I would not be mad either - it would put him at risk of being attacked AND would make the race interesting.
What a load of bollox about Tadej. He is there to bloody race end of. Only jealousy is behind this . This TdF has been totally and utterly bloody awesome because of this .
Was going to write something similar. Seems like for some part there's been some back room mutual agreement between teams about allowing certain things to happen. Like Carapaz and the KOM when he had a good showing and built a points lead. Fair play to Jorgenson for giving it a go on the one climb and racing to take the point over Carapaz.
Did people get pissed at Usain bolt for winning every race and being a showman? Fuck off if you don't like it. When it's their guy they'll be savouring every win.
Hey he might as well try to take as much stage wins as he can to possibly beat Cavendish record. He is only 25 and he already has what 16-17 TDF stage wins.
It’s also not like he’s been dominant year over year. It was just a year ago that Visma was whipping everyone’s tail winning all 3 grand tours. If he does this 3-5 years in a a row, then yeah it might get a little boring, but let the man dominate while he can. Next year we’ll hopefully have a healthy Jonas with Kuss and Jorgensen, Roglic, and an even stronger Remco.
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
On a sidenote, Bini being from Africa is special yes, in a super positive sense, but Eritrea is a totalitarian Dictatorship, once there's a democracy we'll be far happier to talk about it
@@letoatreides5165 Who cares whether you speak about it or not! You got your slap very well three times! Deal with it...From now on TDF & GDI will be the turf and play ,ground of Eritrean riders!
@@koala10ish Cool, be patriotic, love your motherland. Bini isn't a GC contender. He's not on the level for a GC that the other four are. His name goes with Phillipson, Pedersen, Cavendish, etc...
That is so laughable. Dude has been 2nd the last two years. He trained hard and deserves everything he is getting. I am glad he is back on top and I am glad he is making his mark as the best rider of the tour.
Yes Pogacar was at he’s best, but remember that Jonas because what happened to Jonas before the TDF, he was not at his best…. Hopefully they both and their teams will be 100% ready next year, so we can see them race when they both are at their best on the same time…
@@denmark2680 Well if you believe what Jonas is saying then he is riding at his highest level ever. Tadej have improved a lot this year, he is at a ridiculous level. If he keeps this Jonas wont ever challenge him again.
@@Pawsk If you know Jonas he’s a humble man. Jonas said that despite to the circumstances after he’s crash and only having one month to prepare himself before riding the tour it was a victory to him to become second (if he does), and one of he’s greatest victories ever…. Jonas is normally better and stronger than the other riders in week three but because of he was hospitalised (broken Color bone, broken ribs, punctured both he’s lungs etc. And he didn’t have time to train in the heights nor did he have time to cycle the TDF route before the TDF 2024 started. There are so many factors that you do not mention or take into account at all, which is a lack of respect towards Jonas. UAE has also bought the best mountain riders in the field that you can buy for money, riders who was captains to their respektive teams before they became helpers to Pogacar, Jorgenson was the only one who could support Jonas in the mountains. So Jonas was isolated most of the time in the mountains without any help… You should know better….
I am a Jonas fan and I rather see him earn second place than be given a "win". Back in the Armstrong he gifted a victory to Pantani and Pantani was rightfully pissed about it.
@@savagepro9060 OK. Let's rephrase @CourtneyHump. No one during the world championship of the past ever thought, hey Michael Phelps, why don't you let another swimmer have win or two. This is a competitive pro race sports. Not everyone gets a participation trophy.
While I was rooting for Jonas going into the tour, Tadej is unbelieveable. Theres no denying his skill, and it to call his winning disrespectful is people who dont understand competition.
It would be so condescending for Pogi to keep effortlessly staying on Vingegaard's wheel while he burns his last match, knowing full well he can sprint for the win. Also, can we talk about the sportsmanship on the last climb? Tadej offered some of his water to Jonas before pouring the last of it on himself, and one of the Visma guys (don't remember who) offered the UAE guys some of his bottle before pulling away. That's the real respect between these guys. "Gifting a win isn't"
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@koala10ish Nobody cares where the riders are from. We want to see a great race. Bini is great. It's been really amazing to see him racing. I could care less about all this bs... Nobody here wants to discuss history, social issues, or politics...
@@koala10ish Dude calm down. No one's been talking about Bini the last couple of days, because the grupetto isn't interesting when they make the time limit. Jimmi, Emily, the guest and pretty much everyone else praised him the first two weeks.
@@koala10ish what are you on about? Bini was never in the topic. I am a Bini fan myself but what does him being African have to do with anything in cycling? You either have the legs or you don't. Regardless of color.
In 8 days (13 - 20 July) Pogacar won 4 mountain top finishes of the Tour. Absolutely incredible... Who wouldn't want to see that absolutely historic achievement? In more than a century of the tour, no one, including Merckx, has ever won back to back mountain top finishes more than once in their career. Pog has now done it 3 times... twice in the last 8 days. Chapeaux, encroyable!
Yeah he is completely destroying the superstars from the age of doping. Without breaking a sweat. It is starting to get really fucked cause ... Either he is clean and he is just that good (which I still hope, Pogi seems like a great guy, always has) or .... well ... His numbers are not just out of this world, they are beyond even Jonas's TT performance last year. And that was 1 stage. Not 2 grand tours and several monuments with ease.
@@morten123456789I don't know... Jonas crashed badly, broke multiple bones, was in the hospital, lost weeks of training and loses only 1 minute to the best guy in the field in a brutal mountain stage. If someone has a problem with pogis performance they should look at some more riders too.
@@onepunchbud1472 I might be overreacting as you say. There is definitely a fine line to be had. But I would say it isnt just Jonas, it is basically every rider in the world that feels like a child compared to Pogi this year. But I take your point.
@@onepunchbud1472 Take it easy. Most of them think Jonas's recovery is just a medical miracle and believe it because it is a good story from an unbelieable recovery, which brings hope. Well we don't see this miracle happened to Pogacar last year after he crashed with a less serious injury. At least pogacar didn't have his lungs puncture last year. But we witness a medical miracle today with a super speedy recovery from both lungs puncture. The lung function are nearly fully restored. Not forget Recom resulted a less injury compared to Jonas in the same race while he just cannot hang on Jonas's wheels in certain stages.
Why disrespectful? Because a sportsman wants to win? 😂 Anybody criticise that sprinter wins 4 stages, but 4 mountain stages is bad? It is what sport is about 😂 just winning. He said yesterday he hope that breakaway will win, but situation was other 🤷 even Jonas said today he would do the same. Just cycling
Exactly... Basically salty Vinge fans are complaining. When Pogi attacks again and again and pulls Vinge and loses the stage in the end in a sprint it's ok I guess? Because I saw that before...
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@@onepunchbud1472 It was ok even when Pogi died year ago 😅 why Jonas was going max to the end for 6 minutes? He should stop and wait, maybe winning with few seconds
@@koala10ish and what Eritrea's history has common with my comment? More over, how it's connected to cycling? And why I should talk about Bini, when topic is another? Absolutely have no problem to talk about him, really happy he won points, but it's not about him here.
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@@FlyingTWmanso everyone should win by leading from km0. Nonsense, the big guys win sitting behind their domestiqies until the last 10 kms then attacking. Visma bullied pog last year, did you complain then! No one wins alone. No one. Not Merkx, not Indiraon, not Jonas or Pog.
It is a shit if you allow someone to win despite the fact that you know in yourself that you are a much better and stronger athlete. Good job tadej....
Saying someone has to give other people a chance is a direct result of people being raised with the idea of participation medals instead of competitive structure. Having something to strive for is what humans need. If we all got the same shit whether we won or not what's the point?
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
I think you're really reaching there to tack this onto an anti-woke narrative lol. You think Lance Armstrong is a big proponent of participation medals? (not that i agree with them, it's the worst cycling take i've maybe ever heard)
Nah, it’s more the entrenched “gentlemanly conduct” culture of unwritten rules that had Carapaz about to fight a fool for pipping him to the climbing points early in the stage. Heard Phil Liggett tut-tutting a similar move in the second stage too.
I totally understand why teams dont want to share their radio feed. When Tadej said "im done im dead" that should never have been blasted to the public. It was disrespectful and a complete misuse of access. Im pretty sure that has given him plenty of motivation this year to smash the climbs
They leak that Radio record just to disrespect tadej's struggle and Now Tadej pogacar is surely pissed because it became a Cycling meme to mock him.... Now tadej pogacar is ruthless No stage win for yall🤬🤬
You are wrong that nobody likes domination. I love it MJ, Bolt, Phelps now Pogs are the athletes that move borders, break records, make history for such heroes we watch sport
He mentioned Verstappen in F1. Lewis Hamilton dominated for 7 seasons in a row before that and the sport is as popular now as ever before. Tiger Woods, Nadal, Federer, Usain Bolt, Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps people LOVE dominant figures in sports. This little guy is just a participation trophy winner and likely has never won anything in his life.
I think what people gets wrong is that no one likes boring domination. Theres a difference between the sky trains of the 2010s where there was no action and the way Pogi's dominated the tour this year
@@CoopMauKona Yeah, F1 was about to stop right after Hamilton 7 seasons, because people didn't give a shit about F1 until Netflix made it cool again. And since F1 is known to have a shitload of cheating in his history, I wouldn't use it as an exemple to support the fact that people love domination in sports.
People kinda forgot that last year it was Pog who broke his hand during LBL, rode first week with a brace and was not comfortable on the bike. Nobody called out Visma for crushing UAE. Its racing. If you are in the position to win, go for it. I am a fan of racing, so whoever is the strongest wins. And I do not think anyone from Visma or other teams wants to win just because the strongest rider gave them the win
Sprinter wins 4 stages = Champion Sports team goes undefeated in a season = Celebrated Pogacar wins 5 stages = Disrespectful Cycling is such a strange beast. Be great, but not too great.
I have a feeling the ghost of Lance is lurking somewhere around Pogi's space and his team, whereas Jonas has always been thought as the poor working fisherman who stole fans hearts becoming the underdog champion twice having another go at it after a crash against the eternal Ivey league heavy favorites like Tadej, so there you have it.
@@stefand5034 except Jonas and team had a mission to crack an injured Tadej last year and they demolished him every chance they had. Tadej Is answering back
It's his job to win. There is no sport in the world that champions take their foot of the gas to allow anyone else a gift. No true competitor would want to win because they were allowed to. Armstrong is a dick and spent his career cheating to win.
It's not a charitable picnic, it's the biggest bike race in the world. If you wanna win the stage, you got to be the best, not because someone let you have it. You can let someone win a KOM point's if you don't care for them, but not the stage. I mean there are some exceptions like in a breakaway when riders make a deal - you take a GC jersey, I take stage - but it's a deal, not a gesture of goodwill.
I want to know when the Tour de France became a Sunday group ride & riders waited for others at the finish or gave away wins? Last i checked, this is a race. I'm so tired of hearing Jonas this, Jonas that, oohh he hasn't fully trained, when Jumbo mopped the floor last year with Pogi, he took it gracefully, it was heart breaking for his fans to hear him say "I'm dead", but never did his fans say Jonas should give him a stage, two years Jumbo crashed Pog even when Pogi was taking on the whole Jumbo all by himself. Pogi said he wants to be the greatest, on that road, not everyone will like you.
That is 1000% correct. I fully agree. Some forget so quickly. And also Primož collaborated in cracinkg Tadej, so it must have hurt Tadej even more. I really hope he wins tomorrow as well and next 5 TdFs.
It's been partially that for 60 years. Amazing how many newbs on here don't know that. You can't alienate teams because you may need them down the road. So there is some validity to the argument of not being greedy.
Jonas/Visma is ruthless. INEIS is ruthless. Alpecin is ruthless. EF is ruthless. They simply don’t have top flight riders - either due to injury or lack of cash. That’s top level pro sport. Pog lost twice and was told he wasn’t strong in the high mountains. He did something about it, now he‘s winning . Jonas was super, but simply couldn’t adequately prepare. Let’s see where we are next year - and Remco will be even stronger. And there are some young guns coming through.
@@dthornew Jonas kept saying that he was better on the bigger mountains and that Pogi had an advantage over him on the easier ones because he’s bigger, or something like that! Pogi worked to perfect all the things that he needs improving on from the last two tours and he came out swinging!!! I love it!
There was a few seconds where Jonas mistook a bottle handover for UAE as one for him and he tried to take it. Only moments up the climb and Pogi offered that exact bottle to Jonas if he needed it. My point… there’s no disrespect here. When the mindset calls for it, these people are just different. Unless you’ve been at the pinnacle of a sport then it’s incomprehensible and our spectator’s morality doesn’t apply. Jonas even said post race that he’d have done exactly what pogi did if roles were reversed.
he is there to race, win and do his sponsorship proud. he has just blown the Giro in Style and now poised to do the same with the Tour. he is fantastic, full stop.
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
The post race interview with Jonas was telling... at first he indicated that he would have kind of liked it if Tadej had slowed to allow a victory for himself (Jonas) today, but alas, later toward the end of the interview Jonas conceded that yeah, I probably would have done the same thing as Tadej. After all these guys are paid to race their bikes and win. Gifts do happen on occasion, but they are extremely rare.
Pog gave the nod to Carapaz for the polke dot jersey points today and Jorgensson sprinted for it. Pog gives nods just not to Visma. He is ruthless with Visma.
Exactly - Pogi said he would not go... but Soudel started chasing and left him no choice.. in that situation, he will not sit back. Jonas said in his interview that he actually hoped that Pog would give him the stage... what a cheek!! After the way Visma treated Tadej for the last 2 years and how they downplayed his chances and said he would crack.. why the hell give those people anything??
@@LadyBird-n2t Exactly. And also as soon as Jonas and Tadej left Remco today, Jonas instantly indicating Tadej to collaborate and gain time on Remco. Really cheeky move from Jonas.
@@LadyBird-n2t Jonas even said last year that he sprinted against Pog on stage 20 last year to take everything away from him. Now he's begging for scraps. How the tables have turned.
Pog’s job is to win for his Team and Sponsors. We celebrate Mark Cavendish getting 35 wins so that means Pog can’t try to beat the record? He’s 20 wins from breaking that record and no guarantee on how many Tours he’s racing
after tomorrow, Pog will be halfway to the stage win total of Merckx. at the ripe age of 25. there is no doubt that Pog has utmost respect for Jonas but after '22 and '23 TDF's, he'll never concede anything to Visma. Visma was ruthless in its way in '22 and '23 and Pog is returning serve in '24. the 2025 TDF will be epic.
Wasn't there speculation a few years back that Jonas basically gifted Pogacar a mountain stage ? Memory is vague, just remember commentator speculation
One of the most exciting days in TDF history was when visma crushed Pog when they attacked him relentlessly on a climb. Roglic especially as he was injured and took it to Pog helping Jonas win. The injured Roglic retired from the race after that stage. Pog is my favourite rider but the tactics that day by visma were brilliant. It made UAE get serious about finding better teammates for Pog.
@@TheBassallyear100 Thanks a ton for the response and clarity. Everyone was in an uproar over NBC's comment that Pogaçar should have "gifted" the stage to JV and how this was inappropriate. I don't disagree. It's just that meanwhile, some vague memory told me that the young and gallant Dane DID cede a stage to another cyclist, yes, team mate WVA. So it is done.
It’s disrespectful to give a certain win away, it’s like given your dog a threat and say good boy . All those people saying it’s disrespectful forget that there is a team behind him and that all the money he wins is distributed amongst the team .
Just be fair... Soudel started chasing... what was Pogi supposed to do? Hang back and give everything away?? What kind of champion ASK for a stage gift.. like Jonas did today? HOPED that Pogi give him the stage... ridiculous!!!
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
I've seen the twitterstorm about Tadej. What a crock. He did pretty much everything today not to win. The race came to him due to the actions of other teams. But for SOQ chasing in a vain attempt to knacker Jonas I think the break would have had enough for Carapaz & Mas to fight it out. And yesterday as you said was revenge. Closure on the pain of '23.
Cry me a river. Broken wrist? Uhh. How about 2.5 weeks back on a bike after multiple fractures, icu, intubation, punctured lung. Waaa f ing waaa Broken wrist. Do you listen to yourself?
Lance Armstrongs opinion on anything regarding too many wins...well...that should never be given any airtime. I don't need to explain why! And on the other statement at the beginning of the video, we ARE getting things we don;t expect, as we don't expect a yellow jersey to go for stages as ruthlessly as this, and it is something not seen since MERckx era, so it is exciting and the racing has been anything but boring. I don't know why people are complaining
I don’t understand how people can dislike what Tadej is doing, he has put in the work and dedicated his life in order to be capable of dominating. His domination should be an inspiration to others, not something to hate on.
It's not DISRESPECTFUL is any sports, thatt when you trained hard, and shows to everyone how hard you are. He deserve showcasing his power. Kudos Pogacar💪
Tiger Woods dominated golf, it didn’t lose fans from the sport, it had the complete opposite effect. It also made the next generation of golfers that much better as they tried to topple his reign. Pogačar hasn’t been racing anyone else except Remco and Jonas. The stage wins and breakaway attempts are just collateral.
Lance and George are taking things to a ridiculous level. Were they saying the same shit about Cav when he was winning 5 stages in a tour....The whole argument that he's winning too much is just silly.
And their hero actually said today that he hoped Pogi would give him the stage... is this a true champion?? Nope.. lost respect for him. Did he expect that just because he got hurt.. after his treatment and comments the last 2 years??
Pogi broke his wrist in May last year. I wouldn't equate the injury with Jonas' this past April, but it did interrupt his training for the tour. They were within 10 seconds for almost the whole race, then Pogi completely bonked on one of the last mountain stages, and came back the next day to win. This year he has completely dominated the Tour as he did the Giro.
@@LadyBird-n2t He also said that that you can hope, but it is cycling, he didn't have the legs, it is what it is and he would have probably done the same, but sure, just keep hearing what you want. Both are incredible riders and true champions that love racing and have huge respect towards each other, maybe you could do the same, but whatever I guess.
The people complaining about Pogi winning were the ones that got participation trophies when they were young. He is there to place 1st not 2nd or 3rd, thats why he is where he is and and they are at home watching on tv.
Anything could happen when the last stage is a TT, so he is making sure with a maximum custion going into it. He would expect others to do the same to him if the shoe was on the other foot.
Do you like it when someone lets you win something out of pity when you thought you were capable of beating that person? Imagine how these super competitive freak athletes would feel..... Jonas doesn't want Pog to let him win. He wants to beat him on his own merits. And the best thing about both riders is they both lose and win with grace and show each amazing respect and sportsmanship on and off the bike. Everyone criticizing Pog should grow up!
Everyone saying Pog is winning too much are those people who grew up winning participation prizes, it’s a race, the idea is to win and dominate. As for Cav’s win yes he put the effort in to win the sprint but I’ve never seen a flat stage where the peloton rides at 28-30km/hr. Did they do this to give him a chance for a win by not tiring him out? Has been a great tour to watch and love what you guys produce, keep up the good work Wild Ones.
Very good takes all the way through, thanks for being there to catch me up on all that's happening when work comes in the way of streaming TDF this summer!
Also, at this rate Pog could end his career with the most TdF stage wins of all time. Each win is difficult and eventually they are harder and harder to achieve - ask Cavendish about this.
Agree 100% with Emelie - it's NOT Pogi's job to hand a win to anyone - and even JONAS said the he would have done the same thing at the end of Stage 20 that Pogi did. HOWEVER my heart went out to Jonas (even though I am rooting for Pogi :-) that he could not pull the win off in Stage 20 because I can NOT get over the amazing recovery and pure guts that Jonas has displayed throughout the tour. Jonas will be a REALLY extraordinary ambassador for the second step on the Tour's podium. Chapeau !
General public : there was speculation in the TdF 2022 that Jonas gifted a TT to WVA, so it does happen, although Wout was a teammate. Thanks to another commentator for the correction 💯
Last year, everyone was cheering on JV and Visma. It was brutal for Pogi. This year, Pogi and UAE came prepared - redemption! This is professional sport! Next year, JV and Visma can try to redeem next year. Cheers to Pogi, Jonas, and Remco for their grit and being such great competitors!
Title like that, if this would not be youtube, would suggest that a considerable part of the Pog fans find their idol disrespectful. I am sure the vast majority of Pog fans don't think so. And who cares what the rival fans think, no one should, go and do charity events instead. Pogacar does not have to give anything away. Doing so would be disrespectful. This is the tour de France. Now if you talk about Armstrong and Hincapie, they were just sore losers and belong in the category what the rival fans think. Sure Johan put them straight.
@Cade_Media I just want to say thank you for your daily pro show. It’s been very enjoyable and a what I found fairly objective and respectful way of wrapping up the daily stages of this years TdF
Absolutely love this podcast. Stumbled onto it late in this years TdF. Subscribed forthwith. The commentary is always informed, informative, good natured, and fun. Cheers!
@ 5:45 The analogy for Messi would be: if he scores a hat trick and keeps on pushing to humiliate the other team. Which he actually did in a famous match against Real Madrid, ending up scoring five goals…
Putting aside the obvious questions related to doping they are racers that race each other -- the idea that Tadej should have said 'after you' to Jonas is laughable. Yes, at various points a leader in a jersey is generally not challenged for points or sprint at intermediate points, but when it comes to the finish line there are no friends. Would or should Michael Schumacher have allowed Damon Hill to pass him and win the race if the championship was already locked up? Answer = NO!
A message for amazing Emily ❤ the sound on spotify is much quieter then on youtube, kind of hard to listen to on the go. I hope you will cover the Tour de France femmes too!
Great work guys! I've really enjoyed the PRO SHOW. A well balanced mix of your guys' normal relax presentation and recap of the tour! Hope you will do something for the womens tour! (you will have a couple weeks of rest!)
Pogačar overtaking and breaking away at the end is an ultimate sign of respect for me if I am Jonas. Handing out a win to somebody on the other hand is utterly disrespectful...
It's teams' responsibility to win stages- not Pog's responsibility to let them. It is called "racing." There is also a safety concern for "no radios." Road info can be difficult to communicate otherwise sometimes.
The discussion on giving away stage wins is completely ludicrous! This is a sport, you train and make huge sacrifices in order to become as good as you can. It's not up to the dominant athlete to make the field more even, it's up to the rest to become better. And, - it's a team sport, remember! The wins are for the team, not just for Tadej. Jordan should have missed more shots on purpose? Bolt should have ran slower? To be nice? Such a silly discussion.
Couldn't agree more about the radios...racers need to race without being caoched through the race, and like he said, it can make for dangerous scenarios for fighting for position through certain sections. It should award racers who did the work to remember when to be up front.
All, just wanted to say I've loved this series during the tour. Absolutely brilliant, well done to all, especially Emily for being the glue keeping it all together 😂
They should Just give everyone in the tour a medal. Competition is damaging to the psyche and self esteem. 😂. They are there to win. So win. It’s the spirit of the race. Bravo Tadej on a brilliant tour!
Hello all, great podcast, some sports (I believe American football) only allow one player/athlete to have radio communication rather than the whole team. This could be a good middle ground between having unbridled radio access to the entire peloton and no radios at all. Team leaders could relay important info to the team car but not all riders would be constantly tuned-in; perhaps keeping most of the benefits of radio while increasing unpredictability etc… Just a though.
We can be only glad, that we have persone like Tadej. He is super competitive and that is true mindset of winer. He is not state social care, he is there to win. If you are bad, than start training more, if you can't be better in cycling after more professional training ...change sport.
Toff, Tadej is a winner and a fan favourite. There shouldn't be gifts it is professional sport. If you are in a day long breakaway and one is getting the jersey at the end, sure they can agree to not sprint for the finish to get help to gain time. But you absolutely don't gift a stage to your rival.
Pog. is simply flying. This stage was amazing. Anyone who does not appreciate this…..The way the stage played out resulted in his opportunity for a stage win. In my opinion Pog. is a decent human and outstanding bike rider.
The argument around sticky bottles has nothing to do with how much it's being abused. The problem is that it means anyone off the back can effectively get a temporary e-bike to get back in the peleton. If we want that "rubber banding" in the sport then sure, but I think a lot of people would rather not have that. It cheapens/trivialises the challenge of completing the tour
It would be “throwing the game” for a competitor to let someone else win in a circumstance where he./she were the stronger person. In a sports competition you must win (fairly) every time you can. That concept makes the win special for all participants.
If I was Pog’a PR manager, I might have advised him that gifting Jonas the win might have won him more fans than a 5th win. Considering this was the most that Tadej has ever looked like Chris Froome in a victory- having ridden so defensively on that climb, a magnanimous gesture could have been epic. …however it’s only epic because it cannot be expected. And having suffered 2 years of being 2nd best, I won’t deny the guy his dominance.
I find it unfair people say Tadej didn't keep his promise. Tadej didn't attack, he defended against Vingegard. It was Jonas who ate up all the attackers. Tadej only attacked for the stage win after Vingegard lead him to second position in the race.
Personally, I think he's respectful enough and an amazing talent. Yes, in the past there were many unwritten rules and respect among each other, and all of the other criticisms against Pog but he did say he wasnt trying to obliterate the competition while riding smart and not blowing up. At the end of the previous stage he laid his cards on the table and said he was going to take it easy but its bike racing and when other teams start to play with the tactics you have to go and stay with it. Today, he saw 2nd place was starting to crack and since he felt amazing he leveled the stage in dramatic fashion. I LOVED IT! Maybe a little arrogant to some, but i feel he's a humble and likable guy who's just the best. He blows himself up and is hardly breathing at the end, rides the warm down hardly sweating and keeping up with social media. As much as I prefer old school rules, this is 2024 and this guy is just that amazing, so let him win as much as he wants, there's always a gamble in it...and it makes the other teams have to attack more. That makes for exciting racing.
I love how Jimmy went from not caring about pro cycling in the past to being absolutely into the Tour this year. It shows how exciting the Tour has become, this year has been packed with emotion and drama.
It is absolutely revenge for Pogi. Visma had their foot on his neck the last 2 years and Pogi finally has a strong team and mature strategy that had allowed him to race to his potential.
Pog letting Jonas get the stage win would have been disrespectful to Jonas. Jonas does not need hand outs, he is an incredible rider who has won the tour twice and smashed Pog on stages in the past. Gifting him the win is silly, Pog knows that and so does Jonas. Two amazing competitors, fantastic tour!
Great point! Handouts are just as disrespectful and Jonas was sweating bullets. He had a great comeback from injuries and a great record, but Pog is peaking now. And when he explained how much recon his team had been traing for, Pog didnt need to explain nothing more, they executed their training perfectly and for that he deserves every bit of celebration!
Couldn't agree more ,last year They beat pog up on every stage possible with a dodgy wrist to the point where he said on radio " I'm dead "
This is payback from a k8d who didnt like being bullied ,the little kid hit back and people are crying about it
@@JaiJai-by4tp I mean to be fair Vingegaard didnt win a single stage last year, well exept for the TT.
In the last mountain finish he was actually criticised for not attacking Pogacar when he looked much stronger. Now Jonas said that he didnt have the legs and didnt give anything to Pogacar.
But you cant really claim that Visma took everything from Pogacar.. that is just silly.
@Pawsk if you're suggesting they didnt
@Pawsk if you're suggesting they didnt as a team smash him to pieces every chance they had then you're lying ,they did exactly that ,stage wins or not,that's a simple fact
Today Pogačar gave the breakaway a chance to win, but Remco's team reeled the breakaway back in. Remco and Jonas's battle basically put the stage in Pogačar's lap. Pogacar's job is to win. His team pays him big money to win. So he won. Get over it!
Well said. How would the sponsors feel if Tadej gifted a stage to another team?
While I lean more towards this opinion, one thing I think worth considering is that sometimes, guys who he's taking wins away from are domestiques who gave every drop of energy to their team leader. When you're racing vs Jonas, like Stage 20, sure. Take the win. But on Stage 19, you're fighting vs a domestique who obliterated himself for Jonas for 2.5 weeks while you spend most of the race surfing wheels. Also he's ridden the whole race in the front. It's not a truly equal fight. I'm not saying Tadej wouldn't win vs Matteo in normal circumstances BUT offering just a different perspective.
@@8rk It doesn't matter if he's fighting against domestiques or not. He wanted to win his home stage so he went for it. He also made the stage interesting... Do you really want him to lose 1:40, because he shouldn't attack domestiques? Also, if he doesn't attack domestiques and the domestiques come back as satellites to help Jonas on the climb, is that dishonorable too?
Making all these stupid rules just leads to more confusion. The goal is to win the stages AND the race. If Pogacar went for the mountain classification, I would not be mad either - it would put him at risk of being attacked AND would make the race interesting.
Exactly the stage presented itself . It would be dumb not to take it. Nobody is going to toast to him for being so “noble”
@@8rkTHIS!!!!
What a load of bollox about Tadej. He is there to bloody race end of. Only jealousy is behind this . This TdF has been totally and utterly bloody awesome because of this .
As a fan Im loving it. This tour has been amazing to watch. If he had just let others win would be disappointing.
@@akek76858if someone let me win out of mercy, I'd be more upset. 😂
Was going to write something similar.
Seems like for some part there's been some back room mutual agreement between teams about allowing certain things to happen. Like Carapaz and the KOM when he had a good showing and built a points lead. Fair play to Jorgenson for giving it a go on the one climb and racing to take the point over Carapaz.
Did people get pissed at Usain bolt for winning every race and being a showman? Fuck off if you don't like it. When it's their guy they'll be savouring every win.
Hey he might as well try to take as much stage wins as he can to possibly beat Cavendish record. He is only 25 and he already has what 16-17 TDF stage wins.
It’s also not like he’s been dominant year over year. It was just a year ago that Visma was whipping everyone’s tail winning all 3 grand tours. If he does this 3-5 years in a a row, then yeah it might get a little boring, but let the man dominate while he can.
Next year we’ll hopefully have a healthy Jonas with Kuss and Jorgensen, Roglic, and an even stronger Remco.
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@@koala10ish dude😂 he didn't name any sprinters in his comment, and Bini isn't a GC contender?
On a sidenote, Bini being from Africa is special yes, in a super positive sense, but Eritrea is a totalitarian Dictatorship, once there's a democracy we'll be far happier to talk about it
@@letoatreides5165 Who cares whether you speak about it or not! You got your slap very well three times! Deal with it...From now on TDF & GDI will be the turf and play ,ground of Eritrean riders!
@@koala10ish Cool, be patriotic, love your motherland. Bini isn't a GC contender. He's not on the level for a GC that the other four are. His name goes with Phillipson, Pedersen, Cavendish, etc...
That is so laughable. Dude has been 2nd the last two years. He trained hard and deserves everything he is getting. I am glad he is back on top and I am glad he is making his mark as the best rider of the tour.
Yes Pogacar was at he’s best, but remember that Jonas because what happened to Jonas before the TDF, he was not at his best…. Hopefully they both and their teams will be 100% ready next year, so we can see them race when they both are at their best on the same time…
@@denmark2680 denmark2680 - we're talking about Pogacar here, I know you're Danish, but sometimes silence is gold.
@@TrykusMykus We're talking about Vingegaard here. Winner of the last 2 Tours.
@@denmark2680 Well if you believe what Jonas is saying then he is riding at his highest level ever. Tadej have improved a lot this year, he is at a ridiculous level. If he keeps this Jonas wont ever challenge him again.
@@Pawsk If you know Jonas he’s a humble man. Jonas said that despite to the circumstances after he’s crash and only having one month to prepare himself before riding the tour it was a victory to him to become second (if he does), and one of he’s greatest victories ever…. Jonas is normally better and stronger than the other riders in week three but because of he was hospitalised (broken Color bone, broken ribs, punctured both he’s lungs etc. And he didn’t have time to train in the heights nor did he have time to cycle the TDF route before the TDF 2024 started. There are so many factors that you do not mention or take into account at all, which is a lack of respect towards Jonas. UAE has also bought the best mountain riders in the field that you can buy for money, riders who was captains to their respektive teams before they became helpers to Pogacar, Jorgenson was the only one who could support Jonas in the mountains. So Jonas was isolated most of the time in the mountains without any help… You should know better….
Fans? Who? Visma fans? Jonas fans? Danes? Americans? Armstrong and Hincapie? Expecting a guy to slow down for others is ridiculous and pathetic
I think 😂
You might as well call them The Buthurts
I don’t think American fans. Pretty much Jonas fans lol
@@aftermath9161 👌👏
I am a Jonas fan and I rather see him earn second place than be given a "win".
Back in the Armstrong he gifted a victory to Pantani and Pantani was rightfully pissed about it.
No one during the Olympics of the past ever thought, hey Michael Phelps, why don’t you let another country have a gold or two.
@@savagepro9060 OK. Let's rephrase @CourtneyHump. No one during the world championship of the past ever thought, hey Michael Phelps, why don't you let another swimmer have win or two. This is a competitive pro race sports. Not everyone gets a participation trophy.
While I was rooting for Jonas going into the tour, Tadej is unbelieveable. Theres no denying his skill, and it to call his winning disrespectful is people who dont understand competition.
So right! Pog is here to race not divide up the stages like you win this stage , I will win this one..................
It would be so condescending for Pogi to keep effortlessly staying on Vingegaard's wheel while he burns his last match, knowing full well he can sprint for the win. Also, can we talk about the sportsmanship on the last climb? Tadej offered some of his water to Jonas before pouring the last of it on himself, and one of the Visma guys (don't remember who) offered the UAE guys some of his bottle before pulling away. That's the real respect between these guys. "Gifting a win isn't"
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@koala10ish Nobody cares where the riders are from. We want to see a great race. Bini is great. It's been really amazing to see him racing. I could care less about all this bs... Nobody here wants to discuss history, social issues, or politics...
What's with the doctoral thesis? Its not even related to the original comment.
@@koala10ish Dude calm down. No one's been talking about Bini the last couple of days, because the grupetto isn't interesting when they make the time limit. Jimmi, Emily, the guest and pretty much everyone else praised him the first two weeks.
@@koala10ish what are you on about? Bini was never in the topic. I am a Bini fan myself but what does him being African have to do with anything in cycling? You either have the legs or you don't. Regardless of color.
In 8 days (13 - 20 July) Pogacar won 4 mountain top finishes of the Tour. Absolutely incredible... Who wouldn't want to see that absolutely historic achievement? In more than a century of the tour, no one, including Merckx, has ever won back to back mountain top finishes more than once in their career. Pog has now done it 3 times... twice in the last 8 days. Chapeaux, encroyable!
Yeah he is completely destroying the superstars from the age of doping. Without breaking a sweat.
It is starting to get really fucked cause ... Either he is clean and he is just that good (which I still hope, Pogi seems like a great guy, always has) or .... well ... His numbers are not just out of this world, they are beyond even Jonas's TT performance last year. And that was 1 stage. Not 2 grand tours and several monuments with ease.
@@morten123456789I don't know... Jonas crashed badly, broke multiple bones, was in the hospital, lost weeks of training and loses only 1 minute to the best guy in the field in a brutal mountain stage.
If someone has a problem with pogis performance they should look at some more riders too.
@@onepunchbud1472 I might be overreacting as you say. There is definitely a fine line to be had.
But I would say it isnt just Jonas, it is basically every rider in the world that feels like a child compared to Pogi this year.
But I take your point.
@@onepunchbud1472 Take it easy. Most of them think Jonas's recovery is just a medical miracle and believe it because it is a good story from an unbelieable recovery, which brings hope.
Well we don't see this miracle happened to Pogacar last year after he crashed with a less serious injury. At least pogacar didn't have his lungs puncture last year.
But we witness a medical miracle today with a super speedy recovery from both lungs puncture. The lung function are nearly fully restored.
Not forget Recom resulted a less injury compared to Jonas in the same race while he just cannot hang on Jonas's wheels in certain stages.
@@morten123456789doping is always evolving.friends at uae are murmuring about doping.
I'm not sure I understand the negative comments about Pog. It's not a popularity contest; it's a bike race. If you are a racer, you race to win.
Why disrespectful? Because a sportsman wants to win? 😂 Anybody criticise that sprinter wins 4 stages, but 4 mountain stages is bad? It is what sport is about 😂 just winning. He said yesterday he hope that breakaway will win, but situation was other 🤷 even Jonas said today he would do the same. Just cycling
Exactly. Some people just do not get it.
Exactly... Basically salty Vinge fans are complaining.
When Pogi attacks again and again and pulls Vinge and loses the stage in the end in a sprint it's ok I guess?
Because I saw that before...
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@@onepunchbud1472 It was ok even when Pogi died year ago 😅 why Jonas was going max to the end for 6 minutes? He should stop and wait, maybe winning with few seconds
@@koala10ish and what Eritrea's history has common with my comment? More over, how it's connected to cycling? And why I should talk about Bini, when topic is another? Absolutely have no problem to talk about him, really happy he won points, but it's not about him here.
The biggest respect you can give to any rival athlete is giving your best and not holding back.
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
Exactly. I’d never give anyone the ammo to say later “I gave you that one.”
But pogi didn't give his best, he sitting behind Jonas and take all benefit.
@@FlyingTWmanso everyone should win by leading from km0. Nonsense, the big guys win sitting behind their domestiqies until the last 10 kms then attacking. Visma bullied pog last year, did you complain then! No one wins alone. No one. Not Merkx, not Indiraon, not Jonas or Pog.
It is a shit if you allow someone to win despite the fact that you know in yourself that you are a much better and stronger athlete. Good job tadej....
Next year all riders will ride in yellow and regardless of individual riding time they all will have the same time registered.
Everybody wins!
Participation trophy! I've always been wondering, do they award the dfl the lantern rouge? It is a cheap trophy, $15 from Walmart lol
Saying someone has to give other people a chance is a direct result of people being raised with the idea of participation medals instead of competitive structure. Having something to strive for is what humans need. If we all got the same shit whether we won or not what's the point?
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
I think you're really reaching there to tack this onto an anti-woke narrative lol. You think Lance Armstrong is a big proponent of participation medals?
(not that i agree with them, it's the worst cycling take i've maybe ever heard)
Nailed it with that comment - absolutely nailed it 👌
Nah, it’s more the entrenched “gentlemanly conduct” culture of unwritten rules that had Carapaz about to fight a fool for pipping him to the climbing points early in the stage. Heard Phil Liggett tut-tutting a similar move in the second stage too.
Please, stop with the cultural anti-woke narrative based on no data and facts.
Anyone who thinks this was not personal for Tadej clearly have not watched TDF 2022 and 2023. This WAS personal, Visma. You don't get any mercy.
I totally understand why teams dont want to share their radio feed. When Tadej said "im done im dead" that should never have been blasted to the public. It was disrespectful and a complete misuse of access. Im pretty sure that has given him plenty of motivation this year to smash the climbs
They leak that Radio record just to disrespect tadej's struggle and Now Tadej pogacar is surely pissed because it became a Cycling meme to mock him.... Now tadej pogacar is ruthless No stage win for yall🤬🤬
You are wrong that nobody likes domination. I love it MJ, Bolt, Phelps now Pogs are the athletes that move borders, break records, make history for such heroes we watch sport
Exactly 👍
Everyone loves to bandwagon on an established winner.
He mentioned Verstappen in F1. Lewis Hamilton dominated for 7 seasons in a row before that and the sport is as popular now as ever before. Tiger Woods, Nadal, Federer, Usain Bolt, Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps people LOVE dominant figures in sports. This little guy is just a participation trophy winner and likely has never won anything in his life.
I think what people gets wrong is that no one likes boring domination. Theres a difference between the sky trains of the 2010s where there was no action and the way Pogi's dominated the tour this year
@@CoopMauKona Yeah, F1 was about to stop right after Hamilton 7 seasons, because people didn't give a shit about F1 until Netflix made it cool again.
And since F1 is known to have a shitload of cheating in his history, I wouldn't use it as an exemple to support the fact that people love domination in sports.
He should take as many wins possible, you never know what can happen in the future. Chris Froome.
The point of a race is to cross the line first. If they want to win, they should ride faster.
Perfectly stated.
100 percent
People kinda forgot that last year it was Pog who broke his hand during LBL, rode first week with a brace and was not comfortable on the bike. Nobody called out Visma for crushing UAE. Its racing. If you are in the position to win, go for it. I am a fan of racing, so whoever is the strongest wins. And I do not think anyone from Visma or other teams wants to win just because the strongest rider gave them the win
Sprinter wins 4 stages = Champion
Sports team goes undefeated in a season = Celebrated
Pogacar wins 5 stages = Disrespectful
Cycling is such a strange beast. Be great, but not too great.
I have a feeling the ghost of Lance is lurking somewhere around Pogi's space and his team, whereas Jonas has always been thought as the poor working fisherman who stole fans hearts becoming the underdog champion twice having another go at it after a crash against the eternal Ivey league heavy favorites like Tadej, so there you have it.
@@stefand5034 except Jonas and team had a mission to crack an injured Tadej last year and they demolished him every chance they had. Tadej Is answering back
F’ em if they want their participation ribbons. Tadej shouldn’t be gifting anything to anyone.
If you want to win train and develop your skills.
It's his job to win. There is no sport in the world that champions take their foot of the gas to allow anyone else a gift. No true competitor would want to win because they were allowed to. Armstrong is a dick and spent his career cheating to win.
It's not a charitable picnic, it's the biggest bike race in the world. If you wanna win the stage, you got to be the best, not because someone let you have it. You can let someone win a KOM point's if you don't care for them, but not the stage. I mean there are some exceptions like in a breakaway when riders make a deal - you take a GC jersey, I take stage - but it's a deal, not a gesture of goodwill.
Why anyone listens to what Armstrong has to say baffles me
He did win the tdf 7 times .. I think his opinion has a little more validity than most!
They aren’t true fans.. for whatever bias or reason they have they strangely choose to manifest it through knocking greatness.. mental!
Not sure Armstrong should really be commenting on anything....
I want to know when the Tour de France became a Sunday group ride & riders waited for others at the finish or gave away wins?
Last i checked, this is a race.
I'm so tired of hearing Jonas this, Jonas that, oohh he hasn't fully trained, when Jumbo mopped the floor last year with Pogi, he took it gracefully, it was heart breaking for his fans to hear him say "I'm dead", but never did his fans say Jonas should give him a stage, two years Jumbo crashed Pog even when Pogi was taking on the whole Jumbo all by himself.
Pogi said he wants to be the greatest, on that road, not everyone will like you.
100% correct.
Agreed.. this is not a christmas party where stage wins are gifted to crybabies..
That is 1000% correct. I fully agree. Some forget so quickly. And also Primož collaborated in cracinkg Tadej, so it must have hurt Tadej even more.
I really hope he wins tomorrow as well and next 5 TdFs.
It's been partially that for 60 years. Amazing how many newbs on here don't know that. You can't alienate teams because you may need them down the road. So there is some validity to the argument of not being greedy.
Just a typical modern weak, pathetic thinking. These same people praise Simone Biles for being a quitter and letting down the USA.
Re: Tadej - It’s a race. He made it excited again. He is raising the bar. We shouldn’t cater to a lower denominator. KEEP IT UP PLS!
Jonas/Visma is ruthless. INEIS is ruthless. Alpecin is ruthless. EF is ruthless. They simply don’t have top flight riders - either due to injury or lack of cash. That’s top level pro sport. Pog lost twice and was told he wasn’t strong in the high mountains. He did something about it, now he‘s winning . Jonas was super, but simply couldn’t adequately prepare. Let’s see where we are next year - and Remco will be even stronger. And there are some young guns coming through.
@@dthornew Jonas kept saying that he was better on the bigger mountains and that Pogi had an advantage over him on the easier ones because he’s bigger, or something like that! Pogi worked to perfect all the things that he needs improving on from the last two tours and he came out swinging!!! I love it!
There was a few seconds where Jonas mistook a bottle handover for UAE as one for him and he tried to take it. Only moments up the climb and Pogi offered that exact bottle to Jonas if he needed it. My point… there’s no disrespect here. When the mindset calls for it, these people are just different. Unless you’ve been at the pinnacle of a sport then it’s incomprehensible and our spectator’s morality doesn’t apply. Jonas even said post race that he’d have done exactly what pogi did if roles were reversed.
he is there to race, win and do his sponsorship proud. he has just blown the Giro in Style and now poised to do the same with the Tour. he is fantastic, full stop.
Week 3 and he made today and stage 19 look effortless. Why would you not go for stage wins if you're in form?
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
The post race interview with Jonas was telling... at first he indicated that he would have kind of liked it if Tadej had slowed to allow a victory for himself (Jonas) today, but alas, later toward the end of the interview Jonas conceded that yeah, I probably would have done the same thing as Tadej. After all these guys are paid to race their bikes and win. Gifts do happen on occasion, but they are extremely rare.
Pog gave the nod to Carapaz for the polke dot jersey points today and Jorgensson sprinted for it. Pog gives nods just not to Visma. He is ruthless with Visma.
so?
yup. and I dont think he was planning to go until he saw Jonas attacking and putting time on Remco.
Exactly - Pogi said he would not go... but Soudel started chasing and left him no choice.. in that situation, he will not sit back. Jonas said in his interview that he actually hoped that Pog would give him the stage... what a cheek!! After the way Visma treated Tadej for the last 2 years and how they downplayed his chances and said he would crack.. why the hell give those people anything??
@@LadyBird-n2t Exactly. And also as soon as Jonas and Tadej left Remco today, Jonas instantly indicating Tadej to collaborate and gain time on Remco. Really cheeky move from Jonas.
@@LadyBird-n2t Jonas even said last year that he sprinted against Pog on stage 20 last year to take everything away from him. Now he's begging for scraps. How the tables have turned.
Pog’s job is to win for his Team and Sponsors. We celebrate Mark Cavendish getting 35 wins so that means Pog can’t try to beat the record? He’s 20 wins from breaking that record and no guarantee on how many Tours he’s racing
after tomorrow, Pog will be halfway to the stage win total of Merckx. at the ripe age of 25. there is no doubt that Pog has utmost respect for Jonas but after '22 and '23 TDF's, he'll never concede anything to Visma. Visma was ruthless in its way in '22 and '23 and Pog is returning serve in '24. the 2025 TDF will be epic.
Wasn't there speculation a few years back that Jonas basically gifted Pogacar a mountain stage ? Memory is vague, just remember commentator speculation
One of the most exciting days in TDF history was when visma crushed Pog when they attacked him relentlessly on a climb. Roglic especially as he was injured and took it to Pog helping Jonas win. The injured Roglic retired from the race after that stage. Pog is my favourite rider but the tactics that day by visma were brilliant. It made UAE get serious about finding better teammates for Pog.
@@MC-vd5kp Jonas gifted a TT win to WVA in the 2022 TDF
@@TheBassallyear100 Thanks a ton for the response and clarity. Everyone was in an uproar over NBC's comment that Pogaçar should have "gifted" the stage to JV and how this was inappropriate. I don't disagree. It's just that meanwhile, some vague memory told me that the young and gallant Dane DID cede a stage to another cyclist, yes, team mate WVA. So it is done.
It’s disrespectful to give a certain win away, it’s like given your dog a threat and say good boy . All those people saying it’s disrespectful forget that there is a team behind him and that all the money he wins is distributed amongst the team .
Pogačar rides exactly like Merckx and Hinault! You don't gift anything! What kind of world are we living in?
Just be fair... Soudel started chasing... what was Pogi supposed to do? Hang back and give everything away?? What kind of champion ASK for a stage gift.. like Jonas did today? HOPED that Pogi give him the stage... ridiculous!!!
Why do you guys evade talking about BINI? Are you embarrassed to see Europeans lose to an Eritrean lion in an exceptional manner? Can you imagine, there is only one African in the whole peloton and he is from Eritrea - the pearl of Africa known for its resilience, determination, dexterity and doing the impossible in an exceptional manner. Do you know, Eritrea is the only African nation that snatched from the jaws of two super-powers: US & USSR in 1991 after the US & UK assigned Ethiopia in 1962 as their guardian maid since Eritrea was very vital for the geopolitical interest of both the US & UK after the world war II. For your information, this is what former U.S. Secretary of State & Special Advisory to President Harry S. Truman - John Foster Dulles Speech said at UNSC, September 1952, “From the point of justice, the opinion of the Eritrean people must receive consideration. Nevertheless, the strategic interest of the United States in the red sea basin and considerations of security and world peace make it necessary that the country [Eritrea] has to be linked with our ally, Ethiopia.” Indeed to undo this brutal injustice, Eritreans had to: fight for 30 years against US and then USSR backed Ethiopia, pay 100 000 brave martyrs, lose 1 500 000 civilians due to mass massacres! Nevertheless, as resilience and determination are our traits, here we prove to the athletic/cycling world in an exceptional manner. Thus, I would kindly request for Emily to dig the history of Eritrea and present in detail in one of your forthcoming shows! Thank you, Emily!
@@LadyBird-n2t Jonas didn't expect anything. He humbly accepted defeat in the post race interview
I've seen the twitterstorm about Tadej. What a crock. He did pretty much everything today not to win. The race came to him due to the actions of other teams. But for SOQ chasing in a vain attempt to knacker Jonas I think the break would have had enough for Carapaz & Mas to fight it out. And yesterday as you said was revenge. Closure on the pain of '23.
Pogačar needs redemption for last year when Visma showed no mercy when he was recovering from a broken wrist
Cry me a river. Broken wrist? Uhh. How about 2.5 weeks back on a bike after multiple fractures, icu, intubation, punctured lung. Waaa f ing waaa Broken wrist. Do you listen to yourself?
@@lanoradixon7437JV also broke some records this TDF. Amazing performance! Is that injury so serious?😅
@@YK-oj5wf exactly my point
This is a race. If a rider can't win it then they need to either quit or go harder.
Lance Armstrongs opinion on anything regarding too many wins...well...that should never be given any airtime. I don't need to explain why! And on the other statement at the beginning of the video, we ARE getting things we don;t expect, as we don't expect a yellow jersey to go for stages as ruthlessly as this, and it is something not seen since MERckx era, so it is exciting and the racing has been anything but boring. I don't know why people are complaining
How ironic that it is Armstrong having the gall to say that Pogacar is disrespectful, given his own record.
To let top competitors win isn't only disrespectful to the sport, race and fans, it is disrespectful to the competitors.
I don’t understand how people can dislike what Tadej is doing, he has put in the work and dedicated his life in order to be capable of dominating. His domination should be an inspiration to others, not something to hate on.
It's not DISRESPECTFUL is any sports, thatt when you trained hard, and shows to everyone how hard you are. He deserve showcasing his power. Kudos Pogacar💪
Lance needs to shut up! No Redemption!!!
I loved when Johan told them to grow a pair and quit bitching.
Remember Pantani's response after the Mt Vonteux Armstrong gift.
Tiger Woods dominated golf, it didn’t lose fans from the sport, it had the complete opposite effect.
It also made the next generation of golfers that much better as they tried to topple his reign.
Pogačar hasn’t been racing anyone else except Remco and Jonas. The stage wins and breakaway attempts are just collateral.
Lance and George are taking things to a ridiculous level. Were they saying the same shit about Cav when he was winning 5 stages in a tour....The whole argument that he's winning too much is just silly.
What was Pogacar supposed to do? Just hold up and let Vingagaard win?? No gifts in a situation like that imo.
Why? No one said anything when Jonas destroyed him last year.
Visma fans and the Danes need to calm down.
And their hero actually said today that he hoped Pogi would give him the stage... is this a true champion?? Nope.. lost respect for him. Did he expect that just because he got hurt.. after his treatment and comments the last 2 years??
Pogi broke his wrist in May last year. I wouldn't equate the injury with Jonas' this past April, but it did interrupt his training for the tour. They were within 10 seconds for almost the whole race, then Pogi completely bonked on one of the last mountain stages, and came back the next day to win. This year he has completely dominated the Tour as he did the Giro.
@@LadyBird-n2t He also said that that you can hope, but it is cycling, he didn't have the legs, it is what it is and he would have probably done the same, but sure, just keep hearing what you want. Both are incredible riders and true champions that love racing and have huge respect towards each other, maybe you could do the same, but whatever I guess.
@@Thunderscar243 Jonas can only win with a lot of help from others; Pog can win under his own strength.
Every rider should give their absolute best
The people complaining about Pogi winning were the ones that got participation trophies when they were young. He is there to place 1st not 2nd or 3rd, thats why he is where he is and and they are at home watching on tv.
Anything could happen when the last stage is a TT, so he is making sure with a maximum custion going into it. He would expect others to do the same to him if the shoe was on the other foot.
Do you like it when someone lets you win something out of pity when you thought you were capable of beating that person? Imagine how these super competitive freak athletes would feel..... Jonas doesn't want Pog to let him win. He wants to beat him on his own merits. And the best thing about both riders is they both lose and win with grace and show each amazing respect and sportsmanship on and off the bike. Everyone criticizing Pog should grow up!
We should just all celebrate witnessing generational athletes in our lifetime!
Everyone saying Pog is winning too much are those people who grew up winning participation prizes, it’s a race, the idea is to win and dominate.
As for Cav’s win yes he put the effort in to win the sprint but I’ve never seen a flat stage where the peloton rides at 28-30km/hr. Did they do this to give him a chance for a win by not tiring him out?
Has been a great tour to watch and love what you guys produce, keep up the good work Wild Ones.
Very good takes all the way through, thanks for being there to catch me up on all that's happening when work comes in the way of streaming TDF this summer!
Also, at this rate Pog could end his career with the most TdF stage wins of all time. Each win is difficult and eventually they are harder and harder to achieve - ask Cavendish about this.
last time I checked winning was the whole pont?
Unpopular opinion from a 90’s cycling fanatic - Pogacar is doping. I’ve seen this all before.
This
Agree 100% with Emelie - it's NOT Pogi's job to hand a win to anyone - and even JONAS said the he would have done the same thing at the end of Stage 20 that Pogi did.
HOWEVER my heart went out to Jonas (even though I am rooting for Pogi :-) that he could not pull the win off in Stage 20 because I can NOT get over the amazing recovery and pure guts that Jonas has displayed throughout the tour. Jonas will be a REALLY extraordinary ambassador for the second step on the Tour's podium. Chapeau !
General public : there was speculation in the TdF 2022 that Jonas gifted a TT to WVA, so it does happen, although Wout was a teammate. Thanks to another commentator for the correction 💯
Last year, everyone was cheering on JV and Visma. It was brutal for Pogi. This year, Pogi and UAE came prepared - redemption! This is professional sport! Next year, JV and Visma can try to redeem next year. Cheers to Pogi, Jonas, and Remco for their grit and being such great competitors!
Title like that, if this would not be youtube, would suggest that a considerable part of the Pog fans find their idol disrespectful. I am sure the vast majority of Pog fans don't think so. And who cares what the rival fans think, no one should, go and do charity events instead. Pogacar does not have to give anything away. Doing so would be disrespectful. This is the tour de France. Now if you talk about Armstrong and Hincapie, they were just sore losers and belong in the category what the rival fans think. Sure Johan put them straight.
@Cade_Media
I just want to say thank you for your daily pro show. It’s been very enjoyable and a what I found fairly objective and respectful way of wrapping up the daily stages of this years TdF
They are pros, Pog is going for it and I’m loving it. If the other riders don’t like it then do something about it! These unspoken rules are dumb.
Totally enjoyed the daily updates. The guest speakers were a great addition.
Looking forward to next year😊.
Absolutely love this podcast. Stumbled onto it late in this years TdF. Subscribed forthwith. The commentary is always informed, informative, good natured, and fun. Cheers!
@ 5:45 The analogy for Messi would be: if he scores a hat trick and keeps on pushing to humiliate the other team.
Which he actually did in a famous match against Real Madrid, ending up scoring five goals…
Putting aside the obvious questions related to doping they are racers that race each other -- the idea that Tadej should have said 'after you' to Jonas is laughable. Yes, at various points a leader in a jersey is generally not challenged for points or sprint at intermediate points, but when it comes to the finish line there are no friends. Would or should Michael Schumacher have allowed Damon Hill to pass him and win the race if the championship was already locked up? Answer = NO!
Pog needs to get as many stage wins as possible, the record number of wins needs to be in the hands of a rider that wins the tour, not a sprinter.
A message for amazing Emily ❤ the sound on spotify is much quieter then on youtube, kind of hard to listen to on the go. I hope you will cover the Tour de France femmes too!
Great work guys! I've really enjoyed the PRO SHOW. A well balanced mix of your guys' normal relax presentation and recap of the tour! Hope you will do something for the womens tour! (you will have a couple weeks of rest!)
Fantastic job on the recaps, hope you do this again next year
Pogačar overtaking and breaking away at the end is an ultimate sign of respect for me if I am Jonas. Handing out a win to somebody on the other hand is utterly disrespectful...
It's teams' responsibility to win stages- not Pog's responsibility to let them. It is called "racing."
There is also a safety concern for "no radios." Road info can be difficult to communicate otherwise sometimes.
This is a competition not a charity. Quit trying to make mountains out of mole hills!
The discussion on giving away stage wins is completely ludicrous! This is a sport, you train and make huge sacrifices in order to become as good as you can. It's not up to the dominant athlete to make the field more even, it's up to the rest to become better. And, - it's a team sport, remember! The wins are for the team, not just for Tadej.
Jordan should have missed more shots on purpose? Bolt should have ran slower? To be nice? Such a silly discussion.
Couldn't agree more about the radios...racers need to race without being caoched through the race, and like he said, it can make for dangerous scenarios for fighting for position through certain sections. It should award racers who did the work to remember when to be up front.
All, just wanted to say I've loved this series during the tour. Absolutely brilliant, well done to all, especially Emily for being the glue keeping it all together 😂
They should
Just give everyone in the tour a medal. Competition is damaging to the psyche and self esteem. 😂. They are there to win. So win. It’s the spirit of the race. Bravo Tadej on a brilliant tour!
Hello all, great podcast, some sports (I believe American football) only allow one player/athlete to have radio communication rather than the whole team. This could be a good middle ground between having unbridled radio access to the entire peloton and no radios at all. Team leaders could relay important info to the team car but not all riders would be constantly tuned-in; perhaps keeping most of the benefits of radio while increasing unpredictability etc… Just a though.
We can be only glad, that we have persone like Tadej. He is super competitive and that is true mindset of winer. He is not state social care, he is there to win. If you are bad, than start training more, if you can't be better in cycling after more professional training ...change sport.
Toff, Tadej is a winner and a fan favourite. There shouldn't be gifts it is professional sport. If you are in a day long breakaway and one is getting the jersey at the end, sure they can agree to not sprint for the finish to get help to gain time. But you absolutely don't gift a stage to your rival.
Pog. is simply flying. This stage was amazing. Anyone who does not appreciate this…..The way the stage played out resulted in his opportunity for a stage win. In my opinion Pog. is a decent human and outstanding bike rider.
Loved the nuanced take on the sticky bottles
The argument around sticky bottles has nothing to do with how much it's being abused. The problem is that it means anyone off the back can effectively get a temporary e-bike to get back in the peleton. If we want that "rubber banding" in the sport then sure, but I think a lot of people would rather not have that. It cheapens/trivialises the challenge of completing the tour
It would be “throwing the game” for a competitor to let someone else win in a circumstance where he./she were the stronger person. In a sports competition you must win (fairly) every time you can. That concept makes the win special for all participants.
If I was Pog’a PR manager, I might have advised him that gifting Jonas the win might have won him more fans than a 5th win. Considering this was the most that Tadej has ever looked like Chris Froome in a victory- having ridden so defensively on that climb, a magnanimous gesture could have been epic.
…however it’s only epic because it cannot be expected. And having suffered 2 years of being 2nd best, I won’t deny the guy his dominance.
I find it unfair people say Tadej didn't keep his promise. Tadej didn't attack, he defended against Vingegard. It was Jonas who ate up all the attackers. Tadej only attacked for the stage win after Vingegard lead him to second position in the race.
We don't have a horse in this fight. Brilliant. I'm going to remember that one.
Personally, I think he's respectful enough and an amazing talent. Yes, in the past there were many unwritten rules and respect among each other, and all of the other criticisms against Pog but he did say he wasnt trying to obliterate the competition while riding smart and not blowing up. At the end of the previous stage he laid his cards on the table and said he was going to take it easy but its bike racing and when other teams start to play with the tactics you have to go and stay with it. Today, he saw 2nd place was starting to crack and since he felt amazing he leveled the stage in dramatic fashion. I LOVED IT! Maybe a little arrogant to some, but i feel he's a humble and likable guy who's just the best. He blows himself up and is hardly breathing at the end, rides the warm down hardly sweating and keeping up with social media. As much as I prefer old school rules, this is 2024 and this guy is just that amazing, so let him win as much as he wants, there's always a gamble in it...and it makes the other teams have to attack more. That makes for exciting racing.
I love how Jimmy went from not caring about pro cycling in the past to being absolutely into the Tour this year. It shows how exciting the Tour has become, this year has been packed with emotion and drama.
Hahah so true!
There's no crying in bike racing!!
It is absolutely revenge for Pogi. Visma had their foot on his neck the last 2 years and Pogi finally has a strong team and mature strategy that had allowed him to race to his potential.