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Man people in the bottom section need to chill out about Kuro that dude is funny as hell I just forgot to drop his name in that section 😭
Apparently a hot take is just forgetting a name 😂
Let's be real here. Really be real here. The Vtubers dramas... are only on Twitter. Life does not revolve around Twitter. The whole world is not Twitter. When you realise that, you will see how insignificant those dramas are. You don't need to feel and waste your emotional energy on EVERY. SINGLE. DRAMA. Focus on the Vtubers that you like and what you like. Other than that, don't be a tourist. Oh another drama! Goes takes a look. Oh noooo! You are wasting your mental health, emotional energy and time. In summary, go touch grass.
There are some exceptions, but there are a few and five between first one that came to my mind. It was 2020 one that happened with Mel and her old modeller where he tried to destroy her career by DMCA takedowns.
The Selen situation also matters a lot to me, I really liked her and the way Nijisanji used their livers to try and drag her through the mud put a really bad taste in my mouth, and I absolutely refuse to engage with content that includes or supports Nijisanji.
Twitter is just Twitter. It's a cesspool full of ignorance and people seeking to feel outrage over something, anything. I don't know if it's because of lack of everyday excitement or feelings of emptiness but there are *many* people on Twitter who exist solely on drama or outrage. They'll find a topic they have no interest in just to feel some form of drama and outrage over it. Once you figure out that, you just kind of roll your eyes at Twitter as a whole. The only thing people should actively use Twitter for is keeping up to date with their various personalities, family and friends they follow and consciously avoid anything else.
I wouldn't classify Dokibird's drama as insignificant.
Ninjisanji lost 31% of it's value and still hasn't recovered. The stock dropped so fast it almost triggered Japans stock safety net for traded companies.
All their remaining EN tallents lost thousands (and in some cases 10's of thousands) of subscribers who still haven't returned.
The companies future hands in the air right now waiting on it's 4th quarter earnings report to stockholders. To be frank it will be a disaster because the entire Dokibird thing happened in the 4th quarter.
@@douglascampbell9809bruv doki situation wasn’t drama it was an incredible case study of poor management and absurdly unprofessional behavior
Drama is what dramatuber farms when someone says “I think X is cringe”, what happen to Selen/Doki was almost a crime, if not a crime all together
This might be a hot take of my own but:
Do you know who I think doesn't get enough credit for turning VShojo around? VShojo themselves. I.e. the people behind the scenes like Gunrun etc.
People often compare what certain members say about VShojo to certain other VTuber corps, especially one corp in particular. I understand why people do that but for me, something that's just as interesting is comparing what the people who left said VS. what the people joining are saying.
To an extent, every member who left, especially Silvervale, made the point that they felt like there wasn't a point to being in VShojo and that they may as well just be indie. Meanwhile, everyone who's joined since then has talked about how helpful and eager VShojo staff have been. I seriously doubt that's a coincidence. To me that sounds like VShojo actually learned from their mistakes, by listening to what the people who left had to say about them and actually started giving new members a reason to feel like there was a point in being part of VShojo.
Yeah definitely, I think that's the major difference between the respected vtuber companies and the ones that aren't. Because it was a new space and every agency made mistakes at one point. The difference is Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase to an extent learned from their mistakes and tried to be better, while Nijisanji continues making the same mistakes and doubling down on them, and others have simply collapsed completely. I hope Idol manages to find their footing eventually too, they have promise
@@soasertsus I do think they are getting better with everything. Remember they did start about a year ago and all of them are learning from others and themselves. Sure people are saying that they are doing it just for the PR stunt but other companies do it as well. Don’t know why they are being criticized for doing the same. I know people will keep on using their past scandals to judge them but one was bad communication from both sides while the other was really ficked up and mostly on those two people in it.
Remember, Holo was called a black company because of the many scandals they had in the past( I.e Taiwan incident, Aloie, Rushia etc) and now they are the golden standard.
Vtubering is still young, there are still a lot of things to learn before we can set the standard for everything. It takes time.
Company crew members truly are the unsung heroes of the industry.
I agree.
Henya is amazing but she shouldn't be carrying the weight of the company she just joined.
Change in the culture and content came from the top down.
Back when those talents left, even Kson and Mouse themselves were not giving much in terms of guarantees until the better contracts got signed at some point.
@@WD_Batora didn't Kson basically state in a stream that she would leave if she didn't get a better contract?
so, that hololive/holostars collab thing is really frustrating, because the number of the people that freak out about it are very small, but they are absolutely zealots and incredibly vocal about it
Exactly why they are called a loud minority. One person freaked out, then thousands came to them making the issue bigger than it is.
Unfortunately we can't tell people to "stop giving them attention". Internet people love standing on the higher moral ground, we can't help it.
I don't mind the guys and girls collabing. I kinda wish they did it more but of course fans of idols are alot of the time toxic about their oshis interacting with someone of the opposite sex.
@@kylewoodowens4488 can't speak about EN, but in JP, I think those who are open in collabing with males already did anyway, and nothing really happened.
It's all about the Gentleman's Game, which is so hard-baked into idol culture it has to be taken into consideration. Now hear me out, a big chunk of drama that spawns from the Holo girls collabing with the guys is actually not from the collab itself, but the manner in which it is conveyed to the fandom.
How to do it properly: "We're a family here at Cover, and that includes the boys at Holostars. I'm excited to spend a few hours with some new faces, it will be a new but exceptional occasion for us all. Hope to see you there!"
Fucking unicorns man. Men and women unicorns. I want to see more stuff between everyone, but there’s gonna be those weirdos who are like “NO! HOW COULD MY PURE VTUBER INTERACT WITH PEOPLE?!?!”
"Tara, Michi, Geega, Haruka..."
K9Kuro over in the corner thinking, "They don't know I am part of VShojo!"
the only contribution K9kuro has to Vshoujo is drama.. 😐
@@willowravencroft The irony in your comment is gobsmacking
@@Danishdudezor where's the irony..? 😐
@@Danishdudezor Kuro literally cries about "Drama" and trolls too much, all while giving attention to said drama/trolls and keeping it in the eyes and ears of the ppl as he goes on ranting about it on all his twitter accounts (yes plural, more than one account and even when he was in Nijisanji...) the guy literally just needs to just stfu and stop feeding the drama and the trolls, he does NOT NEED to "address" anything.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Vesper/Kronii collab was a timeless masterpiece.
Ye me too I really love holosalt
Timeless. I see what you did there.
Nah, it has to be the monopoly, mario party and uno collabs
That collab lives rent free in my head. It was a work of art.
"Timeless", I see what you did there.
I don't mind hololive/holostars collabs, but you also must not force it if the talent themselves have no interest in it.
In short just leave everyone alone. Let them do what they want without discriminating either.
I think most people understand that but I can guarantee some of the girls or boys may want to collab with each other but they are worried about "those fans" so it never happens.
I really hate people getting mad over Hololive and holostar collab recently people send bad marshmellow to Aru San because he collaborated with Ao kun
Funny thing is the VTuber and managers know so the VTuber isn't surprised. That's why Ao "got mad" because how dare you even think she'd date a guy, she likes the ladies and doesn't shut up about it. Honestly it was a good bit and likely there were several more that were worse and the manager filtered them out.
@@EndoftheBeginning17 Yeah like sending things like I will kill you? bro thats most distrubing things ..Idk how they can have like those mindset
There will always be a schizos crazy enough to send a death threat anonymously, but the action of one individual shouldn't reflect on the rest of their communities. That's why the multi company talent protection committee is necessary.
Both Aruran's and Ao's community enjoyed the many collabs they did a lot and you can go to the vod and read the comments to confirm this.
Their mind goes "AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY'RE HAVING SEX IN FRONT OF MEEEEEEE" when in reality I see Aruran helping his son (Female), Ao, how to math better to get chicks
My hot take is that Lewdtubers are not overrated, but rather the term Lewdtuber is overused. You would be hard pressed to find a streamer, whether normal face-cam or VTuber, who goes an entire stream without making some form of a lewd joke just a handful of times during that stream, but most people don't look at those irl streamers as "lewd streamers", but suddenly when it is that same amount of lewd jokes + a model that shows any form of cleavage they get they get the Lewdtuber label
My hot take is that it wasn't the introduction of Henya that saved Vshoujo, it was the absence of the three that left.
Don't get me wrong, Henya was a HUGE deal and a great addition. But she wasn't the major reason for the turn-around.
I would say it was the drama around Henya's PL and her inclusion into Vshojo that had the most impact in rebuilding Vshojo's reputation from previous drama's.
yep without some egos and the new grateful vtubers that got in, vshojo is in a better position
People may hate news/dramaTubers but without them I wouldn't know when X vTuber is graduating, getting a new outfit, going on hiatus, releases new merch, releases new albums, the formation of a new vTuber company, the disillusion of an old vTuber company, new concerts and attending (as a guest) at conventions. I don't use Twitter and for a good reason so I would never know any of this.
Yep, I get to know the going-ons without having to dive deep into twitter
Truly.
My hot take is that you are not a VTuber unless you make content. If you exist entirely on Twitter, you are a tweeter. "Pre-Debut" is a crutch for the all-talk crowd.
'I need a $10,000 model and the perfect debut' No. You need to do something awkward and get out there already. Every minute you delay is another VTuber debuting to compete against you.
One of my hot take due to recent dramas is sometimes, vtubers needs directly reprimand their chats more if they feel uncomfortable with how the chat behaves at that very moment instead of turning a blind eye to it
I've seen this happening from time to time again, especially within Holo EN mem, maybe except for Ame, Calli and Bae; the chats keeps using overused joke, the vtubers gets annoyed but choose to ignore it, after awhile the vtubers can't take it anymore and asked the chat to stop, but the chat already got used to behaving a certain way in the community that a good amount of them chose to stir things up to keep it that way, instead of actually change things up for their oshi's sake, and then that lead to a drama
It's hard not to compare it with the IDs, usually when the chat or even the community at large, is making a Holo ID mems feel uncomfortable, they'll address the issue promptly, and it actually prevented the backlash from getting too out of hand. Like for example; the Ina's back joke or Kronii's subway joke, they witheld for too long, that by the time they addressed it, the backlash was bigger than it needs to be. Compare it with Kaela's recent Hajime vs Biboo treatment joke that just died down without any drama whatsoever after she addressed her issues about it only within a week or so since it started, instead of ignoring it for 2 years hoping that people will eventually forget. Point is, sometimes it's not always a bad idea to just come clean about things like these
Kaela certainly has a way with audiences. She can reprimand and address them directly without causing any awkwardness or friction, and there's never any hard feelings left in its wake. I know she was not comfortable with the "penguin mama" joke, but the nickname had a lot more depth to it than one might think.
I'm sorry but Kronii never had backlash about her comments.
People should stop equating twitter activity and drama clips to the talent's community. Those that engage there are not their community.
I actually disagree. You can ignore it and fans will drop the joke. Perfect example is IRyS. Her debut stream when she was asking for fan names and 90% of chat was saying "IRS", she ignored it completely and it was never mentioned again by her chat again.
@@HoloProEnjoyer It depends on the joke. Some aren't iconic enough and die fast, some are iconic & last for months or years that unless it's addressed, they won't know that the joke overuse bothers them
the vtuber community needs to completely get rid of the unicorns
My hot take is that people need to stop engaging with Vtubers/companies that they don't like.
on the personality > content > model, my take is that the model makes people come, content and personality makes them stay, so they're all important in their own way
Agreed, mhm
To me, VShojo would have only been screwed if Zen would have left like she was thinking about doing around that time. Not because Zen is more important than any of the other girls, but because her, Ironmouse, and Melody are the three biggest players in VShojo. Zen because of her ability to network, Ironmouse because of her viewer reach, and Mel because of her reach in the lewdtuber sphere and the fact that she was THE founding vtuber. Without any one of these three (in addition to the three that left) VShojo would have been on a slow decline.
Zen certainly is a massive magnet, but Mouse isn't exactly an idle idol net herself. She may not be the big networker Zen is, but her sphere of influence is massive, especially with how chummy she was with certain disgruntled idols from a now-dying company. Zen's big strength is how she can easily make others feel like they're part of the community.
I think as long as Mouse still believes in vshojo they have a future, she is pretty much one of if not the single most respected and influential figures in the western vtuber sphere. But it definitely feels like it's gotten a lot more of a family vibe since Henya and Haruka joined and all the new additions have been great.
Interesting side note: Mel put out a twitlonger that she's been feeling depressed lately and so hasn't gone on CB for NSFW. Given that she did CB hard for 4 years, I think she might actually be burned out, or she may be changing her interests and she doesn't realize it. She's been all over Warhammer 40K recently. She's collabed with Bricky quite a few times so I think she might be developing new interests, which is only natural.
Well we'll see where things go over the next few months. Though Gura took nearly a year off to handle her burnout and was still somewhat burned out.
@@jasonkeith2832 of course Zen is part of how Ironmouse got that way, with Mouse having said that Zen was the first person ever to collab with her(which I believe was pre-Zen having a text to speech and instead it being just text communication.)
@@EndoftheBeginning17 From what I've seen from Mel the past months. She's not only going through learning about prescription medicine she needs to take, she's also dealing with her apartment ceiling that collapsed, which happened right when she was starting her plans to move to Japan a few months ago.
I can only imagine it's been really hard for her. She deserves all the best support. She shows a strong face for what she's probably dealing with.
About the take at 6:09 => I always felt that people that have this take have a "warped" perception of what a lewdtuber is. They tend to think that if a model has any sexuality (or just has big boobs), it's lewd...
Like, they think Ironmouse or Kronii is a lewdtuber, for example... -_-
I think that because they only see the model or raunchy clip but not see the whole stream to understand the personality beneath the model.
For sure but also I do think the lewd aspect is just overdone anymore, like why is one of the go to vtuber jokes still to this day so and so is flat? Why does chat openly oggle and comment on the boobs on every outfit reveal? Like I get that they are just anime avatars but it's still a real person and it feels kinda weird and cringe when they do it for non-lewdtubers. Like Marine is Marine and she clearly enjoys it, but then Kronii can't stream without hearing booba comments and I get the feeling it bothers her.
Like why does it feel like for a section of the audience the entire appeal of vtubers seems to be that they're women who its still ok to openly objectify?
@@soasertsus No. The VOICE is a real person. The one behind it. The model is NOT a real person. Those are two different things to begin with.
Granted, whenever those type of comments start bothering said person behind the model it should just stop and just ban people who insist on it, their channel their rules. That point I'm not rejecting, just let's have clear where the actual division of people and avatar is.
@@hazamax2139 I mean I know but sometimes the vibes are just off to me. Like you have people like Suisei who is an amazingly multitalented individual or Noel who is hilarious and everyone just fixates on the model's tits or lack thereof and it just feels weird sometimes.
well, for starters most people who throw the word doesn't know/accept that being a Lewdtuber means they make *_actual pornographic content_* , which most of the people they call Lewdtubers don't do
I completely agree on the clips segment. For me, I mainly watch clips to entertain and keep myself in the know with Vtubers (mainly Hololive). I like them doing anything, raging at a game, getting emotional, talking about whatever, or doing something cool in a game; I'll watch it. Now though, I see a massive lack in that and mainly see "spicy" clips. Have I watched some? Sure, but I don't want everything I see is them talking or doing some weird shit. I wish I watched streams more but time and attention is so tough to work together. Some people don't want to clip these Vtubers for fun, they want to sell it for money/clout.
I honestly find out of the bigger vtubers, Mouse suffers this the worst. It's very hard to find a clip that *doesn't* suffer from this these days, to the point I just don't watch clips of Mouse anymore and just stick to the content on her youtube channel and the livestream itself
10:04
I feel like people who bring up the personal lives of Vtubers (without their consent) are the same people who go to Disneyland and shout "That's not Mickey Mouse! That's a man in a costume!". Or the type who watches a WWE match and says "It's all scripted!".
Actually, it more like someone goes to Disneyland and take off those custume in front of other and proudly shout, "SEE, A HUMAN".
I think PL in this case is past refers to "past life" not personal life. With past life meaning the vtuber or streamer they were before
I still believe that vtubers needs actual unions not just some machinima thing
11:07 that's me! lol
I was talking more about situations like Rushia or Vox Akuma, how they encouraged their fans to become way too attached and parasocial. It's very profitable, but is manipulative of lonely people and attracts people with real mental problems. It will go bad at some point and can easily destroy your career, but it's reaping what you sow in my view.
The people doing it tend to have attachment/mental problems themselves, I find
So it becomes, birds of a feather flocking together
So after watching Dokibird's Wrestletuber event and being introduced to the holostars guys, I came away with the distinct opinion that each one of them is funny as hell and probably earned their spots and their fanbases on merit.
To the take at 6:09, there's this magical thing called an algorithm. The fact that it's 90% of all you see says more about yourself than it does about the community. Ha ha ha ha ha!
Hey, the part where I said 90% was a bit exaggerated. More like around 60% of indies are lewdtubers. I just used 90% percent to try to get my point across and I can see how that could be misconceptualized.😅
I'll add as well. From a Twitch perspective, there's anime boobs all over the place, but from YT, I rarely see any. they're usually safe.
Seeing as Twitch has a very big normy and trendy audience, I see why so many people think vtubers are all lewd.
@@comamilk i don't think it helps that when you start seeing indy Vtubers mostly on youtube you are very likely going to find as the first Sinder, Filian, Tricky, Bao, ShyLily, Numi, which are the ones I found first in the indy space, and while Sinder is pretty wholesome she also has A LOT of lewd moments and collabs are all just very lewd streams so that probably goes a long way of painting that picture of being lewdtubers when compared to say Holo collabs where lewd jokes are more rare and shocking moments.
@@atk9989 easy, just click "dont recommend channel" and you're fine, just by doing that to cooksie, bao and shilily my recommended is clean
I also dropped a hot take on that thread too and I agree to that one person
I HATE BANDWAGON!!! I hate it when streamers play games and drop it without even completing the main story at least just coz it's not popular anymore...
there's a HUGE difference with "Adapting" and "going with the flow", if you adapt to what your audience likes/make your audience know what you like, you'll build a great community! but if you just do what ever and then drop it, the viewers who watch you just for that reason will also stop watching you~
Doki actually talked a bit about this in a stream she did about how she streams. She said that you shouldn't do long story based games that can't be beaten in, like, 4 streams, since each stream will have less and less people watching. So get it done quickly so you don't lose as much viewership. This applies mostly to vareity streamers, and not ones who have a specific niche.
Damn.. Man forgets to mention Kuro..... LOL. But also my Hot take... Vshojo is better off WITHOUT the 3 that left. They are a bit of bad spiciness that was a bit off putting IMO. You see what I mean when you saw what they said /did 3 weeks or so after leaving.
honestly Froot should have left too, then Vshojo would be great. I don't watch anything shes involved in. Which i find sad since i love metal and she does that, and i liked her before both the Wizard game incident, and the Nux incident that totally put me off of her.
@@atk9989 Nah, Froot gets jabbed because of online hate groups and speculation and full on slander. Most everyone I've seen her interact with, and that's a lot of people, ranging from small indies to big, have said she's one of the sweetest people they know. Even Michi said her parents know who Froot is over the other members because of how much she gushes about her to them. On top of that, many of her closest friends go out of their way to defend her when she's getting bashed by haters, especially Mouse, Zen, RPR, and Katie.
In my eyes, that should merit her being treated with an open mind and kinder viewpoint. I would hope you could let something go from 4~ years ago and give her a chance.
While I don't think Vshojo would have been screwed, I do think they would've ended up in a very different position than they are now. Plus, even if those 3 members hadn't left, i think the Vshojo of today is an entirely different beast than it was like 2 years ago.
I think without Matara VShojo would be _much_ less cohesive. Her extreme extrovert energy is what's dragging everyone out of their little corners - be it directly or indirectly, by getting them used to doing so. They used to largely do their own thing on their streams, with some interactions or voice calls here and there. But since Mata joined most streams have others hanging out for a good part of it.
I feel like lately people have been getting a little too comfortable bringing up PL stuff. Like obviously Doki's situation is pretty unique but don't apply that standard to everyone.
I've definitely seen an uptick of people going into chat and writing stuff like "Hi (PL name) oops I mean (current name) teeheepero", like, dude, you're not being cute or dropping some deep knowledge on everyone. I'm pretty sure at least 80% of viewers watching a Vtuber who had a well-known past life are aware of said past life.
Taking advantage of luck in of itself is a skill, I don't know why people tend to overshadow people's capabilities by pulling out the "they got lucky" card, it's kind of demeaning sometimes, but obviously being fortunate is still a big part of the puzzle.
9:16 I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. Holy f*ck can RUclips PLEASE stop recommening me these clips i have ZERO interest in them but they are 95% of the vtuber clips that get recommended to me even though whenever i see one i click the "not interested" button youtube has. And they're always clips of someone i dont even watch. Ive barely watched any vtuber clips in the past year because im unable to find any good ones (and is the main reason im subscribed to you, this is where the good clips are).
That lewd part is mostly about what you did to your algolitm, I got like less than 1% lewd-tuber in my recomendetion and 80% music-tuber. If you get 90% lewd recommendetion then you have to asked yourself what did you watch mainly for all these time
To be frank the algorithm is pretty much broken, I watch 80% Hololive stream/clips, and the other 20% are gaming, Minecraft, PC tech, and music (Holo, electro and synthwave) without videos or with abstract videos, and sometimes suddenly from a single refresh I get recommend a bunch of reactions to twitch thots, lewdtubers, travel videos, 10 hour sleep/forest music videos, reggaeton or similar crap, and unless I select 'do not recommend channel' they keep showing up for days, my view history is also void of those so I don't know where they come from.
I'm not saying that I only see lewdtubers, I see plenty of seiso vtubers and a variety of others. What I'm trying to express is that there are so many lewdtubers in the indie space and while there are many non-lewd indies, the number of lewdtubers just overpower that. Also, 90% is a bit of an overexaggeration on my part. I feel lile it is more 60% or 70%.
congrats on 200k man. Keep up the good work.
I would like to know more about those non-idol agencies. I pretty much went with Holo because it's the most I've been exposed to from clips, fan games and all the stuff surrounding it, but I would like to see what else is out there.
Well there is Phase connect I would also recommend Idol. It’s not really focused on the whole Idol things and you will find some of the talents a lot of fun. They are the rivals of Phase. Sure they may not have the same amount of craziness as Phase does but it’s still a lot of fun
A small one that just started is Yume+ that I've enjoyed a bit of. EIEN project is pretty good. I would also recommend looking up the girls from Prism Project now that they are all indie
ironically there's Idol EN if you want non-idol culture content, Rin Penrose is a very easy recommendation
I'll shill vspo, getting into them more and more little by little, most of the members are focused around fps/gaming in general. They are JP only for now iirc but EN members have been in the work for some time now i believe, hoping they debut soon. They are getting more and more clippers I feel like too, the same can be said of Neo-Porte, also a good one, though only JP too iirc
11:07 was definitly talking about vox lmao
Or about Rushia
tbh i think also that silver and vei leaving vshojo was the best thing that happened to that company. literally right up to that point they were mostly known as edgelords, coomerbait, and ironmouse. them leaving took a lot out of that perception and gave the company the chance to pivot.
This 100000%
u forgot to mentions Nyanners...she has the same if not worse history than the other 2...but luckily she's in a better place now with someone she loves.
I've just realized, even though Ironmouse is neither an edgelord nor coomerbait, I'm not surprised she gets along well with both categories of people: being chronically ill, she's used black humour to cope way more than once and, since she'd probably die if she ever had sex again, her spicy asides make a lot of sense, too.
I feel like VShojo has found a good middle ground between edgy/indie and wholesome/corporate; I got into them due to their Trash Taste connections, and soon found myself liking Melody because she's living proof that you can be a lewd VTuber while also being wholesome.
The fact that she's actually studying to become an educator on sexual issues seems to hint at something else as well, her interest in that kind of content might not be motivated only by cold, hard cash - in fact, I wonder if she went through some issues related to her disability, sexuality, or both.
Not too much of a hot take but while I don't think any of the holo girls should be forced to collab with the boys, I despise the fact that some of them have to pretend that they don't exist.
(This isn't me hating the girls themselves moreso the drawbacks of appealing to certain parts of the fanbase)
I just wish they could address acknowledge them in a professional manner (you know basic co worker étiquette) without any stupid shit stirring.
9:15 FGO Goat Man! There's a crossover I didn't expect, especially not in this context!
I don't know if you know but some Indonesian fans were upset with Kobo and Regis frequent collabs. So, I would say Holostars and Hololive collabs can be considered a hot take since a potential outrage is possible in one way or another
Im actually surprise if the people who upset with Kobo and Regis collab are Indonesian, cause all I know is that most of Indonesian are not really into GFE/BFE content when watching Vtuber and more into gaming and shitpost. Like they literally call every female Vtuber or streamer "Bang" mean they looking for gaming and shitpost bros, no girlfriend. Well I guess it just a weird odd case.
@@wat_aiwan Yeah, those people definitely don't represent the majority of Indonesian fans, but they still exist (occasionally in chat, Twitter, Facebook groups, etc.)
@@wat_aiwanit's less about gachikoi and more about "Holostars are leeching Hololive". Yes some of us ID bros think that Kobo is so BIG that everyone who collab with her is just looking for quick fame, even her genmates (debates between fans is quite frequent in the back alley).
Nono it's a normal take. It's just that we are in a community where we have a good amount of incels that make it appear as if it was a hot take.
@@kanzaki2672 Oh, just like Marine and Kobo collab when some people said Marine using Kobo popularity? Well that's some dumb argument
congrats on 200k subs koe, hell yeH!
11:41 Yes, acknowledge your vision, move on, but never forget or erase))
he honestly totally missed the mark of what that comment meant. The comment was about the blow back of GFE/BFE Vtubers that get discovered to have a SO. or even just talk to someone of the other gender. They build their whole career around pretending to date their viewers then want sympathy when those overly connected viewers rage and leave when they find out they are dating someone for real.
This is just my general thoughts on 6 main subjects.
1. Drama
Vtuber or not, drama occurs. Vtubers are people to and not just faces of anime characters. I think ultimately it will happen, its only up to yourself that you ignore it.
2. Collabs of holostar and hololive. We all surely love interactions between them. Although now it seems maybe Roberu occasionally meet a hololive girl like the Rust Server or Kobo with Altare and Axel. I think these do happen because Americans are into shipping. Shipping like Kronii with Mumei is fine, but as Kronii once said. Don't just ship people.
3. Oshis.
You can have multiple or one. Oshi isn't devoted to one you like the most. But someone who you support. People may say that they have one who may represent the fanbase as. But it don't mean they only have one. And if you have only one, it's your choice.
4. Lewdtuber.
Definitely lewdtuber can be seen a lot. But also it's not something they do to gain views. It's who they are. Filian is an accused lewdtuber because her sponsor with Fansly and occasional glitch. We got chibi, who got popular through humor. Zen may have lewd looking models but that's not how she got popular. Nyanners got popular through the poopoopeepee era.
5. Vtubers who show their face.
We have kson who do irl streams. We have Aethel and Nyanners that do show face. Onigiri, Bao, and Rainhoe also do show face.
But is vtuber mean you strictly don't show face. If you can, how much till you are not considered one. Digging deep into this would cause arguments.
6. Vshojo
The few members leaving vshojo was something that csught many off guard. But it would never die since you had members like Ironmouse. I do agree Henya brought light to VShojo, but it was Zen that encouraged Henya to come to collabs. VShojo is a great company. Its nothing like Fiji Sanji.
I liked this type of content Koe hope to see more videos like this in the future too!
Thank you for this Koe, i really love the hot takes
The only reason I'm aware there's drama somewhere is because people keep complaining about there being so much drama.
Kwite being a bisexual vtuber saying that if you're a vtuber you're gay, is just... **chef's kiss** Never change, Kwitey-poo.
Interesting video. I am new to the Vtuber thing. I am older than the target market too. I enjoy a few vtubers but I must admit that I don't want to be part of the community. All of the drama vtuber channels, comments in youtube section not even dealing with thev video or company - but unrelated things and comparison, etc. I still am a bit creeped out by a subsection of comments (or even messages to some VTubers) where I don't think if the person was in the flesh, the comments would be made.
So - interesting to hear other takes in this video. I still think that I will silently watch Kaela, Matara and Mints podcast, and hope for English translations of Pururu - but probably treat comment sections like the vast majority of the internet and just not engage with the community
Hell yeah im in a koe video, glad to see others also have my same sentiment, as someone who wants to get into the scene its very disheartening to see people just not like male vtubers or male vtuber interactions with female vtubers, I know its a symptom of idol and streamer culture, I do hope the general feel changes with the culture around the industry but it be as it be I guess
In regards to the hot take regarding vtuber's receiving more support when they're graduating than when they're not I think it's more a matter that people really don't know what they have until they realize they're about to lose it. Folks can often take things for granted and it can come as a shock to them when the certainty of things that used to be routine are suddenly in flux. That is why people aught to appreciate not just the vtubers they already watch but try to celebrate and check out new vtubers while they're just starting. New faces bring new life and new ideas to the industry and giving those who deserve support the time and attention they require allows them to flourish until they too become the standard. leaning solely on the tried and true content of an already established vtuber while fun for the while must surely, inevitably, come to an end someday, unfortunately. Such is the nature of time.
Hot take? Hololive is on another level, people should stop comparing indies or other corpos to Hololive. Is like comparing a UFC fighter with a drunken dude in a bar.
Only half right, Indies yes. Other corpos? No hold them to the same standards. You expect a grocery store to have a certain standard don't you and compare it against Walmart right? Mom and Papas shops get a pass much like Indies, but other big chain stores all need to be held to a standard. Same with Video games, the bigger the studio the higher the standards, but once you are out of the Indie stage you have a drastic jump in standards.
Short, being a small corp doesn't mean they get to be a Wactor, and should be held against the standard of the best and biggest that is Hololive, which even holding Phase Connect against Phase still looks like a very good company. Which is why comparing all corps to Holo is actually a good thing as it pushes the standards up. Whereas if you compare all corps to Wactor or Niji then you will see the standards pushed down.
@@atk9989 I think he's refering to views, collabs or rules, is stupid to visit an indie and laugh at their viewers just cause they're not as big as gura
9:15 was not expecting klidge to show up on here lol
14:20 RIP Kuro
The Silent Bob plush looks great 👍
I agree with having a harem of Oshis. Some of mine: Mori, Kiara, Ollie, Shoiri, Dokibird, and Ironmouse. I've also started to really enjoy the streams of Kiri Kilovolt, so maybe she should be added to my list as well.
"People are hypocrites, and liars" They say one thing and do absolutely nothing about it
Examples:
- I wanna support small VTubers (do nothing, put on some damn criterias/excuses to not do it)
- I wanna have some friends/collab partners (clout-chasing, you don't have xx+ followers, ghosting, etc.)
When I heard "Hot Takes", I thought like Scorched-Earth hot, not kindling hot
Some small vtubers I enjoy are ChumbaWumba, Naiyospede, and the new Corp Yume+. Would highly recommend for anyone to check them out.
There's a cyst that needs to be drained in the vtuber fandom, and that's people who think that constant out-of-pocket horniness should be considered normal and completely acceptable by every vtuber ever. There's this thing where a vtuber rolls with a lewd joke once or twice and people in the community can't stop mentioning it endlessly afterwards. For years. They beat the dead horse long after its bones have turned to paste. And then others, knowing that a vtuber is fine with some mature humor, suddenly think that it's cool to just openly and publicly, with even the added pressure of a donation, talk about how much they wanna smell this person's feet or their armpits. Fetishes that, sure, are fine in private, but they can't help themselves. They couldn't just look for R34 in peace. They couldn't go to the comments section of a clip where the vtuber actually mentions it, or a subreddit dedicated to lewd art, or to /vt/ and air out their fetishes there. They have to say it to the person. They have to force them to read it by attaching money. And when there's so much of that, especially to people who very specifically aren't lewdtubers, I fail to see it being jokes as opposed to people with no self-control. And god, there's still the clippers who constantly try to clickbait with hentai art. It's been there forever. And I've spoken to at least one fairly popular clipper who genuinely thinks all the constant lewd shit should be normal. As if we shouldn't even consider the concept of "there's a time and place".
You can be completely cool with all the lewd stuff. I am. Not everybody will be. Same goes for all of these vtubers. But it seems like they're expected to sit there and just take shit from horny mfs that would count as straight up sexual harassment in any other context because hey, "it's part of the territory". Screw that.
Now that I think about, what is considered a non idol agency. Like every agency got people who want to be idols or enjoy singing so what is what type of thing/standard would be considered a non idol type agency?
9:14 yep almost all of them
Oh ye also congrats on 200k sub koe
"the bottom section..." 😂
I disagree with the hololive/holostars take in the sense that I believe that Encouraging collabs between people that don't want to collab is just as bad as trying to cancel collabs between people who do.
except you can clearly tell the Love Ban side is worse by things like Caliope "Tempus are my sons" Mori hasn't even acknowledge the existence of Armis
yeah, that doesn't feel like Staff reacting to the Unicorn pushback at all
@@Artista_Frustrado or how Flayon said "congrats for your milestone!" to Shiori on twitter and he got like 14 responses of some unicorns telling him to stay back or they would attack his channel, Shiori just said a dry "thank you" and thats it, no more interaction between them
But you know "encouraging collabs is just as bad as tryin to cancel collabs", sure, lets think that
@@artist0154 this is the reply: machinaxflayon/status/1707534935433621509
The 14 replies are:
- 1 Shiori's thank you
- 7 positive comments
- 2 requests for a collab between them
- 4 hateful comments that got over 50 replies from fans telling them f-off
Why are you lying? Why are you shitting on Shiori's reply?
@@Artista_Frustrado Why does Calli have to promote or talk to ARMIS? That's not her job. The reason she was close with the original Tempus members is because she wanted to help BUILD them up. After that, it was the boys job to help each other. She didn't want Tempus to feel only like Myth was at the beginning. So stop trying to spin some anti narrartive.
@@artist0154 Oh, what type of response did you want her to say? THANK YOU with a hundred emojis? You're being very petty. She had the balls to respond and you still are complaining?
8:09 I did not expect to see Kokuri Kurune here, I actually don't think I've ever seen her mentioned before. She does really great asmr.
Wouldnt the reason why 90% of the Vtubers is Lewdtubers is because you are watching Lewdtubers?
The algorithm sees what you watched and recommend you other Vtubers based on other people watched list who also watched said Lewdtuber.
9:15
Holy shit, someone said it. 🙏
I am so tired of the minimal-effort, one-minute-long nothing burgers that all read, "X mentioned this one crazy thing and it BROKE Y".
I'm not asking everyone to be YUUSHA04, but if you're just going to cut and paste with transcripts, then what's the point? Might as well go watch the VOD itself.
A lot of people have this warped perception of lewdtubers where they think any sexyness at all = lewdtuber. Showing skin on a vtuber model is not the same a showing irl skin, the vtuber model is basically digital clothing and that includes the skin of a model. A scantily clad model is more equivalent to wearing one of those T-shirts that has a decal of abs on it.
K9 Kuro is 😭 right about now...
Completely agree with what you said about PL.
Hot take: Naggz is a secret member of VShoujo. And yes, he IS a VTuber
I honestly hate drama. I wish there wasn't any but of course we live in a society where most of the rich people are corrupt pieces of $hit.
Great content homie 👍
Someone please name 5 non-lewd indie vTubers, I want more to watch.
Imma put my hot take on the ring as well, Vtubing is only a stepping stone for some content creators. A lot of vtubers don't even adhere to their lore anymore and just mention that part occasionally but all in all they're just a streamer with a live 2d model now.
Twitter is to be avoided at all times.
That one person complaining about politics and lewdtubers in the same breath is unintentionally prescient: These are labels applied in broad strokes to "things I don't like".
Also I find the aversion to politics, particularly wrt corpo Vtubers, extremely funny. Nothing is more political than refusing to engage with politics.
If a vTuber's PL happens to be another vTuber either corporate or indie then I'm fine with knowing it however if their PL is IRL content then I don't want to know.
Hell Yeah Brother, Dayo.
"Keep politics out of vtubing"
Oh good lord these people would flip if they knew the proto vtubers were nothing BUT political. Rags and Itsagundam come to mind. Kirsche is more recent but that is also her brand. I think the message they wanted to say is that they do not appreciate a content creator not known for doing political stuff to all of a sudden get on a soapbox. It's mostly an indie problem and generally most indies are young, dumb, and VERY opinionated and stubborn so it can get a little tiring to hear someone pontificate about an issue they know little about and shut down any and all dissent as hate speech.
I don't know if this is a hot take or not but I think that's the vtubing is almost like the gaming community now
Allow me to clarify, what I'm mean is that when people bringing up something political that isn't political in the first place. Like I just want to watch a funny anime woman talk about video games for hours not something depressing that completely ruined my mood.
12:34 in my mind, it is always "They are just a normal streamer who have L2D/3D model" instead of Vtuber.
But, it is not like i hate them of couse
The crusade against 'Lewdtubers' is so cringe. It's just a lazy way of attempting to invalidate a VTuber's personality and entertainment value (and by extension insult their audience), it's a tired label that's been thrown about since at least the start of VShojo. It's not hard to find VTubers that fit your niche, and to keep your pearl-clutching to yourself
The reason it matters is because it's the fans that complain about "women just shaking their tit's to get views" that then go flood lewdtubers with popularity. The hypocrisy is sickening.
I'll be honest, they don't even know who the real Lewdtubers are. I got recommended a PinkPunkPro talent once, let me tell you, I cant believe that shit survived RUclips
@@casteanpreswyn7528 to me its about finding a balance between actually having a personality and being lewd, there are some where lewd seems to be their only personality on stream, which for example seems to be what Kson has turned to compared to how she was as coco. So i don't watch Kson because all the clips i see and everthing iv seen from other people is she has just become pretty much purely lewd content.
Sinder, Tricky, Numi, Shylily, Bao and their group of friends are what id use as the standard for a good balance of lewd but still having a real personality that shows.
With regards to politics, yes if that's the kind of content they are known for then that's fine, I can avoid then along with all the other drama channels. But vTubers not known for political hot-takes should expect resistance from fans who watch vTubers for the escape from world events.
i think mata and calli perfectly fit the personality - content - model type - like i really dont care to much for matas model - her way otalking and playing is just fun - and callie well maybe here the model might overthrow the conten cause i really like her model - then again its her way of speaking i just love -content - well you could really feel that she actually liked jumpking in a somewhat self harming way
to vshojo -wel yah henya is a co.llabe monster - the nm agian silver and vei always felt more like indi and nyanner s is jsut a great streamer no idea why she switched over to vtubeing, happy to see her toing more irl again (though it might also be athels influence)- and since vshojo still has zen i hink they are good - like zen is a content maschine
still im kinda sad that they never went back to collabe with any of the shojo members again....but then again i remember silver sounidng astounishly said in her quitting stream - so maybe they just werent ment - and silver is cosy anyway still at least in the solo games XD
here's my take, idol culture and vtuber culture have no reason to be related.
people have been doing content creation using virtual avatars before the term "vtuber" was created so why should vtubing use the same terms from idol culture?
for reference FaceRig was released in July 2015 wereas the term "vtuber" was coined in December 2016 by Kizuna Ai
TFW your name is Brian and you are latino, beard and have a similar build to Koe
i know on the jp sphere, there is one vtuber that talk about economics
9:30 POV: Sinder's irl booba physics pops up
Real take. 90% of the indy VTuber scene on Twitch comes down to showing a barely dressed character saying the same cookie cutter jokes about genitals, sex and self deprication. People who are funny because they're actually funny without having to rely on horny fans are far and few between comparitavely, unfortunately.
As for the "no pilitics in vtubing," i think it's more on several few vtubers ride on the political issues like the LGBTQ thing, HL drama, and Israel-Palestine war, to name a few, to boost themselves.
It's not that.
the 'educate yourself' incident
Like how Scarle and Astel got Twitter activist triggered by buying from Starbucks or McDonalds
Hot take: Feet and armpits and smell in general are fucking gross, and fans should stop projecting their own disgusting habits onto the likees of Chloe, Zen, Gura and Matara
8:28 DAS MEEEE!!!
Regarding the whole GFE/BFE vtubers leaving that behind, it's just as simple as breaking up with chat. It's not me, it's you.
i'm going to One up that take: TEMPUS & ARMIS should have been Hololive EN generations 3 & 5 respectively, the HoloStars branch only made sense for Japan
also, i wouldn't say is Pitty support, but the fact that their Graduation/Trmination tends to draw a whole lot more of attention than their regular content does
on the one hand i'm glad PL is no longer a Taboo among fans, on the other hand y'all can stop forcing the martyr nonsense on Sayu already & let her just vibe without needing to scare off her collab partners
12:35 ... ok, yall need to accept that VTubing is not content, is *format*. that's like saying "you aren't a real Let's Play if you don't have a webcam view on the left corner" or "is not a real VLog if is not filmed in Portrait mode"
get that 2020 mentality outta here!
>doesn't know phase conect have crazy idols
Classic clip watcher only 🚬
In my opinion, GFE/BFE in Vtubing is very risky because it encourages Parasocialism.
Remember the Rushia incident......? Yeah.........
My hot take; I watch alot of vtuber content nowadays, and coming from a mostly edited video youtuber enjoyer background, vtuber vids suck.
The videos are often lazy, poorly edited, or are just incohesive highlight reels. Alot want their youtube presense to grow but dont do much of anything to actually grow it effectively.
Just as a small follow up. Alot what traditional worked before work be as effective now. The market is over-saturated so relying on the niche alone or getting a dedicated clipper won't work as well as they use too.
Alot rely on shorts they can put on YT, tiktok, insta, etc for reach but number show they can be great for eyes but they rarely translate into real numbers for subscribers, or people who would willingly go to a stream.
Vtuber edited videos need to step up quality or people won't get noticed. I'm seeing more effort for a number of creators but many are still relying on those shock titles or few lewd/yabai moments as their main marketing. That won't last you and if you wanna grow outside just your stream your gonna need to put serious thought into how your gonna make your videos as entertainment.
remember guys koe fiance was nodding when ollie rizzing her !!!
A message for the bottom section
Hot take: plush Koe is better than actual Koe (joke)
Some Of My takes On Things In Vtubing/Streamers
A Lot Of Drama/News Channel Debate Is Mostly A Matter Of If You Like What They Are Reporting On Oh This Person Is Logical News Reporting Cause I Like What They Are Saying Vs They Are Nasty Brainless Drama Maker Cause I Don't Like What They Are Reporting.
I Find It Annoying A Bit When Chat Grind A Treat On A Vtuber Without It Coming From The Vtuber Them Self Zeta=Cat, Kaela=Penguin, Reine=Turkey Etc. We Could Have Had Different Vibe & Relationship With The Person If People Didn't Force A Theme On Them They Didn't Have Let The Treat Come From The Vtuber.
The Saying The Chat Is Just Following How The Person Is When Being Naught Kind Of Also Irks Me Similar To Aboves Take You May Not Be Following The Persons Ways The Already was Being Naught Making The Person Be Naught When They Were Not Doing So/Trying To Be.
Anyone here edge to koefficeint
Why gatekeep vtubers to anime and anime only? Let people enjoy it, don't be cringe.