I don't know what "classical spike" means, but I actually made a list of KO percents for all the spikes from stage height, and Zelda's is far from the strongest, so...
Honestly? I'm ok if he gets some wood and dirt when the game FIRST starts because of starter chests, but yeah, I agree. We aren't playing with "Gamerule:KeepInventory True" now, are we? Best nerf that makes him insane while more balanced
Steve could genuinely be so cool if like... 9/10ths of his kit got tremendously tuned down. That character has so much skill expression but it gets overshadowed by him being busted as fuck
@@kwisowofer9872 absolutely not, joker, terry, sephiroth and byleth are sick additions... min min, banjo, plant, steve, sora, and pythra? (and whoever tf else im forgetting because they are that forgettable) yeah they can go...
For Olimar, why tf does whistle have armor on frame 2, make the current pikmin take damage or even straight up just die, he gets an escape option with low endlag at the cost of his pikmin. No pikmin, no armor
I just want Steve Minecart command grab to not even exist People trying to justify its existence as a grab is actually insane At best Steve should go back in his cart after throwing it out, making your opponent get in a checkmate scenario even with a perfect mash and a slow ass character is just not fun at all I don’t even mind minecart killing me at 70 Just delete the grab PLEASE
minecart should just be a stronger variation of sidethrow that costs 2 iron but sends farther and doesn't linger after the throw is complete. Then you could make side b something that makes more sense with his blocks and kit like maybe a bow? it would make you think more about where you place your blocks since they would get in the way of it.
If a minecart runs into a mob in Minecraft then they get put inside it, so it makes sense. What they really should do for accuracy purposes is make him lose all his stuff when he loses a stock.
17:03 So fun fact, Steve's neutral air actually isn't the move you see being comboed into forward air, what you're actually seeing is Steve's shorthop macro forward air. So really, nerfing his neutral air wouldn't do anything to Steve.
@@Keeby. By not being able to build floating blocks, do you mean he can’t build blocks in the air or he can only build blocks in the air if they are stacked on top of each other?
as a wii fit main that deep breathing nerf is NASTY, holy crap. I think if you wanted to nerf that move, then I'd increase the end lag when you succeed/fail.
The fact that you said mewtoo doesn't need any nerfs makes me feel good. He is my main i started playing 1 year ago and the more i play the more i feel like he's a pain in the ass to play
Even though no one will see this, little Mac should definitely lose a little bit of his bar for getting hit, but don’t need or get rid of ko punch. This rewards players for not getting hit by giving them a strong move.
I've always said this but they really really should rework little mac's KO punch, instead they should take the punch out star punch mechanic it would be great, instead of charging a meter to one hit KO someone with he should be able to get a star everytime he parries an attack and hits right after, that would make it so whenever they do a smash attack next, they use the star and the attack is significantly stronger, they can have up to 3 stars like punch out and the more star there is the stronger the smash attack becomes, if little mac gets hit he loses one star, I don't know how that woule go in practice but I'm thinking it would be more interesting since now Little mac will have to think about when they use their smash attacks instead of spamming them and also they'll have to outplay their opponent with a parry and then hit them (otherwise if its just a parry it wont give a star)
My Steve nerf would be 1 of 2 things 1) Mining is way more committal, Mining can only be cancelled when you pull diamonds and goes through a lengthy endlag when you try to cancel before diamonds. 2) Steve can't call Table to him, Table stays at spawn and can not be interacted with, the opponent can't destroy it, Steve can't destroy it. Table spawns on Steve's spawn and never moves.
Some ideas for nerfs: Sonic: reduce his acceleration so he has to take time to go fast Steve: can't place airborne blocks unless it's connected to another block Ike: increase start lag on aether Min Min: kicks only deflect projectiles Lucas: remove invincibility frames from up smash
very based i think if you remove diamond from Steve he becomes okay-ish still a top tier with near infinite mixups but he DOESN'T deserve a come back mechanic like that
Many ok they way they are also. Little Mac so limited w recovery disproportionately that I would leave that punch alone bc it’s kinda all he has and you’re may more off the ledge than having access to that punch that you still have to connect with.
Most of the DLC fighters need nerfs to even them out w the main characters. I love bowser but now he’s basically an afterthought competitively bc of these particular matchups. For him you could put some super armor on his initial frames of his up B I think but who knows.
I mean in a vacuum, Ko punch is a bad mechanic, I dont think any character should have a move with that hitbox that kills that early, its only balanced out with the fact Mac sucks but personally i'd still change it
As a Puff main, I think making her fall faster would be a buff lmao. I can delay jumping out to edgeguard people as is so whatever there, but falling faster would make movement so much easier! A lot of times I struggle to get in because tiny arms and one of the slowest run speeds. I bet I could landing uair to landing uair string like 5 times if I could fall faster.
The Yoshi uptilt complaint is not completely accurate. That move does not hit low profiles from the front, like it can't even scoop Mario from the front unless he jumps into it. The hitbox does not match the animation (it starts at like a 60 degree angle up and to the right of Yoshi, after the white swoosh has already started), so the only way to actually hit small characters is to pivot tilt it, which effectively makes it slower, unless you're fighting someone really tall (like DK or ZSS).
he got my anger when he said nerf kirby forward air, that move is perfect as it is, while it is fast it is not fast enough to stop zoners, and his hitbox is not that big so one cna get out of combo just by backwards di, if sombody falls into combo out of kirby fair it is because s/he is bad, also if you are gonna nerf something nerf grab range, it is way longer than it seems, actually very disjointed, even more so in boost or pivot grab, normal grab is fine, but boost and pivot grab are insane, they have the same range as melee marth grab
Ain’t no way he said nerf yoshi up tilt why it’s already one of the most unreliable moves in the game. It hits nowhere in front of him (but for some reason it hits everywhere behind him).
You will get shield grabbed a lot though now. TBH I'd prefer a regular grab I like zair but I hate how it happens out of shield when I don't want it to
im happy to have Terry's spot dodge cancel removed because i cant remember the amount of times a punish was ruined because my inputs were too fast and i got that weak ass uppercut
no i frames on mewtwo down b is a great nerf cuz its a really underrated aspect of the move that kinda pushes it over the edge into obnoxious territory, its legit viable to Just Use It sometimes
how to nerf the entire Super Smash Brothers franchise. option one: delete the entire franchise. option two: hire Alexus, the guy in charge of the "balance team" for Helldivers 2.
13:44 Make it so Hero can lose Psyche Up the same way Incineroar does with Revenge or Min Min with Power Dragon (both lose their buffs by getting grabbed, paralyzed, or frozen)
Dang, gun makes joker expressiv. Its so optional, not obviously and consistently strong, but conditionally very useful. I can admit that down gun to try and cheese folks with weak recoveries is lame, but gun can be cool, catch ppl off guard. You can make it the safest move joker has (-4 with correct timing) but it also makes joker weirdly floaty, which makes varying the timing on fair1 (a cool starter for true combos or interesting strings) easier. You dont even have to have frame advantage, people take time to react to the fact that their option was interrupted by a tiny bullet. The so called "mental frames". Dont take my guns, i know my rights
@@Sticker_By_NCT_127 up tilt into up smash is better but it's less brain dead and frustrating than getting dragged across a map at 0 percent and forced into a recovery situation before your 30 seconds into the fight
for little mac they shouldve given him his star system in the form of hitting any armor move after being hit or countering gives him a star having 1 star would turn his neutral B into KO punch(but way weaker) & each star would make the neutral b stronger(3 stars being what KO punch is currently) and he would lose all stars if he gets grabbed yk its a mars video when he wants to gut the 2nd worst character in the game though LOL
Larry lurr was just copying this from mockrock bro, you're third in the content human centipede (Although he probably didn't copy it directly, it's probably parallel thinking)
Are there even any top wolf players? I've been hearing for years wolf is S tier but i never see him in top 8s. Feel like zackray was the only one early on
A change I want for yoshi so badly is just make his double jump normal, but make side b egg throw or whatever it's called and make up b his current double jump but without armor and he goes into free fall.
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1:55 is Marss admitting that Zelda has the strongest classical spike in the game???
I’m cold, I’m nasty, I’m cold!
God tier comment
epic reference
I don't know what "classical spike" means, but I actually made a list of KO percents for all the spikes from stage height, and Zelda's is far from the strongest, so...
@@TheLobsterCopter5000 you must be new here buddy.
Make it so Steve starts with nothing at the beginning of every game or make it so he loses everything after he dies, just like Minecraft
Or nerf up tilt
THIS is good. It would work so well. It’s always 2nd or 3rd stock acola that wins with the diamond cheese.
Honestly? I'm ok if he gets some wood and dirt when the game FIRST starts because of starter chests, but yeah, I agree. We aren't playing with "Gamerule:KeepInventory True" now, are we?
Best nerf that makes him insane while more balanced
You want to make steve camp for longer?
@@2000Doriyas yeah and up air... both are too fast and combo at like 0 to 80
I was with you when you nerfed [character I hate] but you went too far when you nerfed [character I like].
Needed more of this red background Marss content and he delivered
Delete steve
Steve could genuinely be so cool if like... 9/10ths of his kit got tremendously tuned down. That character has so much skill expression but it gets overshadowed by him being busted as fuck
honestly just delete all the dlc characters
@@kwisowofer9872nah just shitra and pissra
@@kwisowofer9872 absolutely not, joker, terry, sephiroth and byleth are sick additions... min min, banjo, plant, steve, sora, and pythra? (and whoever tf else im forgetting because they are that forgettable) yeah they can go...
yeah but he's funny
Jigglypuff falling faster would actually make her a lot better, one of her worst problems is trying to land because she falls so slow
For Olimar, why tf does whistle have armor on frame 2, make the current pikmin take damage or even straight up just die, he gets an escape option with low endlag at the cost of his pikmin. No pikmin, no armor
Why was Olimar a thing I could click on to search for it until I tapped in to reply, what the hell is happening
I just want Steve Minecart command grab to not even exist
People trying to justify its existence as a grab is actually insane
At best Steve should go back in his cart after throwing it out, making your opponent get in a checkmate scenario even with a perfect mash and a slow ass character is just not fun at all
I don’t even mind minecart killing me at 70
Just delete the grab PLEASE
isabelle fishing rod cant be a proper command grab but a fucking minecart can
minecart should just be a stronger variation of sidethrow that costs 2 iron but sends farther and doesn't linger after the throw is complete.
Then you could make side b something that makes more sense with his blocks and kit like maybe a bow? it would make you think more about where you place your blocks since they would get in the way of it.
If a minecart runs into a mob in Minecraft then they get put inside it, so it makes sense. What they really should do for accuracy purposes is make him lose all his stuff when he loses a stock.
When are we going to admit that Dr. Mario has the best traditional gimp in the game?
When are we going to concede that Fox has the best orthodox reflector in the game?
At what point in time will the public acknowledge that Captain Falcon has the strongest conventional burst option in the game
So are people going to realize that esteban maldonado is the most impractical joker in smash
Yeah I fish for combo starters and use gun ineffectively, what of it?
It’s up there but I think Banjos eggs are the best gimp in the game
Steve nerf should be each tool level is taken down to the previous one's power. Diamond --> Iron etc. And wood should start by doing sheik damage
Just don’t put him in the game
I think resources should reset after each stock
this and making it so Steve loses his inventory when he loses a stock would genuinely make him pretty balanced.
17:03 So fun fact, Steve's neutral air actually isn't the move you see being comboed into forward air, what you're actually seeing is Steve's shorthop macro forward air. So really, nerfing his neutral air wouldn't do anything to Steve.
NERD!!!!!!!!! (It's kind of implied that nerfing nair would also nerf sword fair and bair since they're effectively the same move)
I wouldn't want to live in this timeline
Dont let steve build floating blocks so that mf cant combo you to 90% bc you got hit by 1 up tilt
@@Keeby. By not being able to build floating blocks, do you mean he can’t build blocks in the air or he can only build blocks in the air if they are stacked on top of each other?
@@ZizouEnjoyer225 the latter
as a wii fit main that deep breathing nerf is NASTY, holy crap. I think if you wanted to nerf that move, then I'd increase the end lag when you succeed/fail.
Removing a jump would make meta-knight drop almost a full tier in the tier list :(
As a doc player, you should make it that if he hits 3 pills in a row he should get %20 for malpractice
The fact that you said mewtoo doesn't need any nerfs makes me feel good. He is my main i started playing 1 year ago and the more i play the more i feel like he's a pain in the ass to play
Make it so if someone goes in the Minecart, they now have the ability to drive it, but after 3 seconds of you being in it
Steve shouldn't be able to put blocks in the air, even in Minecraft he can't, why sakurai
Sakurai going overboard as usual for someone who doesn't understand game balancing.
Low key this is a "how to play every character" video
yoshi's uptilt already doesnt hit in front of him so i dunno what hes on about haha
Even though no one will see this, little Mac should definitely lose a little bit of his bar for getting hit, but don’t need or get rid of ko punch.
This rewards players for not getting hit by giving them a strong move.
Steve should have to wait a few seconds to use minecart again the same way wario waits to use bike
I've always said this but they really really should rework little mac's KO punch, instead they should take the punch out star punch mechanic it would be great, instead of charging a meter to one hit KO someone with he should be able to get a star everytime he parries an attack and hits right after, that would make it so whenever they do a smash attack next, they use the star and the attack is significantly stronger, they can have up to 3 stars like punch out and the more star there is the stronger the smash attack becomes, if little mac gets hit he loses one star, I don't know how that woule go in practice but I'm thinking it would be more interesting since now Little mac will have to think about when they use their smash attacks instead of spamming them and also they'll have to outplay their opponent with a parry and then hit them (otherwise if its just a parry it wont give a star)
also maybe remove the armor on smash attacks, that's kinda stupid I think
My Steve nerf would be 1 of 2 things
1) Mining is way more committal, Mining can only be cancelled when you pull diamonds and goes through a lengthy endlag when you try to cancel before diamonds.
2) Steve can't call Table to him, Table stays at spawn and can not be interacted with, the opponent can't destroy it, Steve can't destroy it. Table spawns on Steve's spawn and never moves.
1:15 the nerf Joker needs is the Arsene counter. Gigantic hit box for no reason and entirely too strong.
I mean yea that’s a fair balance tbh
@@Rose10k Haven't played the game in years, but I was a Joker main, and I always acknowledged how that move is totally busted for a frame 6 option.
This is the guy you say “get good” and he is giving his reasons why he doesn’t have to get good but in his eyes every character is broken
Are we going to admit that jugglypuff has the best ironic taunt
"Gordos already really strong" ToT
Some ideas for nerfs:
Sonic: reduce his acceleration so he has to take time to go fast
Steve: can't place airborne blocks unless it's connected to another block
Ike: increase start lag on aether
Min Min: kicks only deflect projectiles
Lucas: remove invincibility frames from up smash
Damn the editor didn't even bother getting footage of the move mentioned
Sora Nair getting Nerf hurt. Like dang bro that's the primary tool for a lot of his combos.
Thoughts on Fent?
You know what i'd do to nerf Steve? /keep inventory off
As for Kazuya? Remove the NAir spike.
He really saw Little Mac, one of the worst characters in the game, and said to remove everything good about him
Luigi is the only character in the game I actively stop trying to fight. It's just 0 to deaths over and over again. It just socks.
very based
i think if you remove diamond from Steve he becomes okay-ish
still a top tier with near infinite mixups but he DOESN'T deserve a come back mechanic like that
Many ok they way they are also. Little Mac so limited w recovery disproportionately that I would leave that punch alone bc it’s kinda all he has and you’re may more off the ledge than having access to that punch that you still have to connect with.
Most of the DLC fighters need nerfs to even them out w the main characters. I love bowser but now he’s basically an afterthought competitively bc of these particular matchups. For him you could put some super armor on his initial frames of his up B I think but who knows.
I mean in a vacuum, Ko punch is a bad mechanic, I dont think any character should have a move with that hitbox that kills that early, its only balanced out with the fact Mac sucks but personally i'd still change it
Joker is not fine💀
1:46 power thrust is like -32 on shield
Didnt gun get nerfed and yet he nerfs it again
I get it with ROB but he would never be able to land if Nair had lots of end lag 💀💀
True😂 but you can still attack cancel fast fall nair
As a Puff main, I think making her fall faster would be a buff lmao. I can delay jumping out to edgeguard people as is so whatever there, but falling faster would make movement so much easier! A lot of times I struggle to get in because tiny arms and one of the slowest run speeds. I bet I could landing uair to landing uair string like 5 times if I could fall faster.
The Yoshi uptilt complaint is not completely accurate. That move does not hit low profiles from the front, like it can't even scoop Mario from the front unless he jumps into it. The hitbox does not match the animation (it starts at like a 60 degree angle up and to the right of Yoshi, after the white swoosh has already started), so the only way to actually hit small characters is to pivot tilt it, which effectively makes it slower, unless you're fighting someone really tall (like DK or ZSS).
Yeah I think he confused f-tilt for up tilt that’s the only thing I can reasonably think of
Yeah up tilt misses short characters all the time
Some modder needs to make a version of the game with these changes so marss can see his changes in action
2:41
"I think I would nerf Purple Pikmin."
is this video about Smash or about Pikmin 2
he got my anger when he said nerf kirby forward air, that move is perfect as it is, while it is fast it is not fast enough to stop zoners, and his hitbox is not that big so one cna get out of combo just by backwards di, if sombody falls into combo out of kirby fair it is because s/he is bad, also if you are gonna nerf something nerf grab range, it is way longer than it seems, actually very disjointed, even more so in boost or pivot grab, normal grab is fine, but boost and pivot grab are insane, they have the same range as melee marth grab
Dr. Mario needs his boots removed. Doesn’t deserve shoes.
Ain’t no way he said nerf yoshi up tilt why it’s already one of the most unreliable moves in the game. It hits nowhere in front of him (but for some reason it hits everywhere behind him).
You have f tilt for in front of him
as a luigi main, i see this thumbnail as an absolute win.
would be cool to have someone create a mod with all these adjustments and see how it plays
Nah for Luigi, just take away that damn Poltergust. Giving a ranged grab to someone like Luigi is a sin lol
You will get shield grabbed a lot though now.
TBH I'd prefer a regular grab I like zair but I hate how it happens out of shield when I don't want it to
i feel like jigglypuff would be insane with faster fall, like neutral so good
Rob's aerial attacks should drain his boost/laser.
This is like gonna make him from s tier to like a low b tier mate
Most of these are actual just healthy changes to the feeling of the game.
However for steve i would remove his block cancel shenanigans
im happy to have Terry's spot dodge cancel removed because i cant remember the amount of times a punish was ruined because my inputs were too fast and i got that weak ass uppercut
no i frames on mewtwo down b is a great nerf cuz its a really underrated aspect of the move that kinda pushes it over the edge into obnoxious territory, its legit viable to Just Use It sometimes
Me copying my homies homework
I kinda would've liked it if you showed the moves you're talking about in practice mode or something, but it was interesting to listen to anyway
The little mac canon comparison 😂
how to nerf the entire Super Smash Brothers franchise.
option one: delete the entire franchise.
option two: hire Alexus, the guy in charge of the "balance team" for Helldivers 2.
10:33 thats how he throws the gordo, same with wii fit’s side b…
K Rool doesn’t have a hitbox on close range crown and it doesn’t feel weird, I think Dedede losing his is fair
Mars after recent events..you got done dirty at SN my condolences. You deserved that top8
13:44 Make it so Hero can lose Psyche Up the same way Incineroar does with Revenge or Min Min with Power Dragon (both lose their buffs by getting grabbed, paralyzed, or frozen)
I’ve said before they should add glass joe as an echo to mac and intentionally make him the worst character in the game
Love hearing you talk
What the heck was this character order?
What yoshi up tilt whiffs on anyone short or crouching, f tilt is a better combo starter
Make sonic significantly lighter
Make spin charge and spin dash the same move
would you ever make content with sillintor? something like a first to 10? you two are my smash content kings 👑👑
9:25 Just rework the dude entirely. Even the Sonic mains and fans of the source games hate him here for just being so unlike himself here.
Dang, gun makes joker expressiv. Its so optional, not obviously and consistently strong, but conditionally very useful. I can admit that down gun to try and cheese folks with weak recoveries is lame, but gun can be cool, catch ppl off guard. You can make it the safest move joker has (-4 with correct timing) but it also makes joker weirdly floaty, which makes varying the timing on fair1 (a cool starter for true combos or interesting strings) easier. You dont even have to have frame advantage, people take time to react to the fact that their option was interrupted by a tiny bullet. The so called "mental frames".
Dont take my guns, i know my rights
the combos and confirms are so cool but gun camping is too real
@@altraxia2074 #notalljokers
LarryLurr also made a video about nerfs
you can sdi out of terry jab combos from 0%
go moves should be a meter that fills and has to be refilled
1:36
Bro deleted my amazin power thrust.
3:08
And my balls💀
8:40 not my speed too!
Mock rock content in the house
NOOOO THE LUCAS NERF IS CRUEL. I guess we just hair to use nair loops to drag off stage
If we nerf the duration if links Nair being out then he can just spam it instead. I don't think Nair can be nerfed
He meant that the hitbox should disappear way sooner.
Steve dash attack shouldnt combo into itself to 60% cmon now lmao. Steve dash attack needs to be replaced so bad
dash attack doesn’t combo into itself 😭
Dash attack is like one of his lesser good moves…
@@jfrogfoot my r button says otherwise
@@Sticker_By_NCT_127 up tilt into up smash is better but it's less brain dead and frustrating than getting dragged across a map at 0 percent and forced into a recovery situation before your 30 seconds into the fight
@@johnowens9216 i will venmo you $100 if you can make steve dash attack combo into itself in training mode
No pants video let's goooo
Fishing rod is a tragedy already!!! 😭
i think the zss nerf would be remove i frames on flip kick
for little mac they shouldve given him his star system in the form of hitting any armor move after being hit or countering gives him a star having 1 star would turn his neutral B into KO punch(but way weaker) & each star would make the neutral b stronger(3 stars being what KO punch is currently) and he would lose all stars if he gets grabbed
yk its a mars video when he wants to gut the 2nd worst character in the game though LOL
Better than Larry’s nerfs imo
Bro you KILLED PT 😭😭😭
Bro just deleted Larry's new shorts series 😂
Nerf Ike by taking away his friends.
Wait do you think that Lucas just has to press zair and it goes down?
How DARE you suggest nerfing Samus, the definitive and undisputed greatest character in Smash.
that dk nerf is evil
Nerf bowser jr side b so that character isnt just mid tier sonic
Larry lurr was just copying this from mockrock bro, you're third in the content human centipede (Although he probably didn't copy it directly, it's probably parallel thinking)
People can certainly be inspired by other content, though if LarryLurr did get the idea from MockRock, he should say it up front
@@mrmediocre848 Yeah i mesn it's really not the biggest deal
need to delete half the cast
Hahahah take away Dr Mario Degree. 😂
Thats right because college is a scam.
Buffs not nerfs
Are there even any top wolf players? I've been hearing for years wolf is S tier but i never see him in top 8s. Feel like zackray was the only one early on
I hope Bayo up taunt gets nerfed
Dude sephiroth isn't as good as you think, but I understand why you think so
And no way he said make cloud unplayable
Beautiful thumbnail
A change I want for yoshi so badly is just make his double jump normal, but make side b egg throw or whatever it's called and make up b his current double jump but without armor and he goes into free fall.
I think yoshi just isn’t for you