How Effective Are Fenders At Keeping Cyclists Clean? | An Ode To Mudguards
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Mudguards, or fenders if you're American, can be a cyclist's best friend. They keep you and your bike clean and are the perfect accessory for riding in winter or in poor conditions. But how effective are they? In this video, Alex and Ollie don their morph suits and put mudguards to the test!
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Do you have mudguards on your road bike? Let us know in the comments below!
even as a kid i knew they work, without them my arse would be soaking wet and my face would be splattered by uplift dirty rain water from the front wheel ( experienced when being a paper boy )
Only the back one.
i have no mud guard in my roadbike its hard too find 😭😭😭
At this time i'm using "mini mudguard" (ass saver) and i do not remove it even it is dry outside ... BTW why do You did NOT test this type??? I mean, that You must repeat the test and Hank shoul be a good aspirant, to do that (test ass saver). 😊 On my "previous" bike i used (for winter rides) mudguards with extension (because i must ❗ have long version for group rides 😆), so i have made the extension with piece of an old tyre (Hack or Bodge?) . 😉
I ride for transport most of the time so generally have mudguards installed. I have a habbit of accidetally totally destroying front mudguards though so got a bare front wheel currently. Have to remain mud free and presentable at destinations, and also keep dirt out of my shopping.
please do next: Do brakes actually work
In the US you can find enough to debate both sides of the question.
Disc or calliper 🤣?
😂😂
No, I find they just slow me down...
@@Christian-fr7gf 😂😂😂
Imagine two Slendermen riding bicycles in your neighborhood
That'd be nice 😉
Underrated comment
And one of the slenderman looks like they shat themselves
Friendly neighbourhood Slendermen
Well it would be interesting
I do appreciate that GCN hasn't started to take itself too seriously in all these years.
They are an entertainment network, being entertaining is taking themselves seriously.
lol
@@andyhaochizhang well, punch and judy are STILL more famous.
I can see the future law suits and the destroyed lives of your train wreck show.
lol roadies taking themselves seriously 😑
I cannot imagine riding a bike in winter without mudguards. All of my bikes (both of them) are equipped with them. And it's not just about preventing a "skunk stripe" up your backside; mudguards (fenders) do an excellent job of protecting your drive train and bottom bracket from the grit and grime of wet winter riding. Your components, even your whole bike, will last very much longer if you use them.
Exactly.
No mudguards on the bike is like driving a car without windshield in a rainstorm - expect a messy and splattered experience.
This is one of those videos you quickly close when someone asks what you are watching and you just answer with "nothing"
Just watching the friendly ghosts.
the lefty?
hahaha
LMAOOOO i felt this DDD; "w-whats that" "uhhh checking if i need mudg-" ffff qq
"im watching porn mom" its easier to explain
I rode my touring bike equipped with front and rear mudguards for a six-month tour through England, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, and France. They were absolutely essential for keeping 1) keeping me more comfortable and 2) keeping my bike's drivetrain free of mud. My mudguards also had rear flaps that made a huge difference. There is NO QUESTION that they are great for non-racing activities.
i never thought anything could replace my nightmare of Si in a Speedo but Ollie with a skid mark might be worse
Still not tops Connor's lack of outfit in "The Worst Cycling Adverts Ever! | GCN Tech Show Ep.139"
Or Dan's yoga ... 🙈
It could be Si with the Speedo and the skidmark.
yo be fair, Ollie started that way
r/cursedimages
I have been riding bikes from the age of 2 & I am now aged 83 so I have covered a few thousand miles on the way. When riding with my club years ago mudguards (full) were the norm & it was rare to see one of the lads/gals without them. Over the years they have fallen out of favour, bike frames (in the main) no longer being able to accommodate full guards. Shame, as they work & as one who did a 16-mile commute trip (in all weathers) every day for years, I would have not ridden without them🤔
Yes , they do indeed work. Do you still ride ?
Whoa, such as long journey! But fenders nowadays have a lot of different designs. They exist, but I think they focus on stunning design rather than function as the old fender does.
The fact that an actual former pro uses things like fenders but your "club ride world champ" turns their nose up at them is just freaking great.
This is also a repeat video. Back when Matt was still at GCN he already did this video.
The aspect of mudguards for the cyclist behind you is quite important in my opinion. In cityriding I really hate racing enthusiasts passing by without mudguards and in worthst case hitting my eyes with rain or mud, increasing accident risk for me.
Ollie. Mudguards are aero! In fact in MotoGP there are regulations of how far the mudguards may stick over front wheel (which rapidly reduces turbulence and improves the air flow).
That's probably only true for dry weather, but then you don't really need them. Gcn actually did another experiment on mudguards few years back. Water and mud collected by the mudguards fall back onto the wheels and components, creating a bit of extra friction and power loss.
@@meutmeuterer4081 the thing is the spinny tire is not very aero as it creates a lot of disturbance, if you could theoretically cover the whole front side of tire there would be aero gains to be had, not mud gains tho, F1 focus a lot on diverging the airflow from the tires for such reason
@@meutmeuterer4081
Maybe there are a lot of variables in this.
With lots of experience riding in rainy Seattle weather, I've found fenders make a significant reduction in the amount of sand, silt and crud that get on the components. I use "long tail" fenders that are only a couple mm wider than the tires. A rear fender that didn't go down to the bottom bracket would deliver quite a lot of crud to the front shifter.
Ollie was just an actor representing the world at large, don't blame him for his line. I thought the line was spoken at the perfect time, so again, it was just a line, not what Ollie actually may have thought. Just to clarify... I loved the dialogue and the information thus presented, very lively.
@@Cyclonut96 😉
The outfits were a bit more revealing than I was expecting. What has been seen, cannot be unseen.
@@wcswood Australian.
@@wcswood well not looking at it should help weirdo
@@Val-Samantha sorry on his behalf fbi 😔
No more revealing than their normal cycling jerseys, just don't look there if it disturbs you, kid.
OMG How do I unsee what those morph suits show...😅
And I thought Dan's white shorts on GCN's Cycling Shorts intro was bad...my eyes are still burning...
@@timrichardson2 We're in hysterics. It's hilarious
The bibs need more frontal coverage! 😂
My eyes are bleeding...😳😂
What is morph suits
Full length fixed mudguards with flaps on my winter bike. They keep the bike much cleaner, they keep your feet and back dry, and your buddies will actually want to ride with you rather than sticking you on the back. Yes they are heavier etc, but one of the joys of a winter bike is that first warm day in Spring when you get out the summer bike and realise how much lighter and more aero it is.
New presenters confidence has soared in recent vids! Love it.
First time ive seen him, I have no Idea who he is or was for that matter? I cant keep up with "all" the presenters they have now! Having all these presenters and trying to find work for them will be GCN's downfall, the repeat of topics, and the new ridiculous content they are coming up with now is lowering the overall quality of what "was" a great idea with great content! And as for choice of some of the "new"or newish presenters well, that Hank whatever his name is, he is so false and has no personality, he is trying to create an image for himself, which actually proves he hasnt got one, watch him, he is "trying" to be like Simon, who is great and natural! GCN are on the decline i feel, it will all become evident soon!
@@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802 thats a lot of quote marks
@@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802 if you don't know how to use punctuation then guessing is deffo the way forward. Don't try and read or anything, that would just be a waste of your time.
@@Evan-zj5mt I'll keep it polite, it is a kids show after all, well it certainly seems to be heading that way. It would appear another grammar Nazi has popped up, so Evan could I ask you nicely to put me straight on what it is that seems to be troubling you so much??
The mudguards on Alex's bike were clearly too short for keeping riders behind him clean. We here have a rule that during winter, everyone in the group ride must have not just mudguards, but mudguards that are long enough to keep followers clean and dry. Most off the shelf mudguards need extensions to do that.
It was a good example of how the obsession with weight has meant most riders would rather get muddy and wet. I for one have mudguards on all my bikes. Great video guys, and very funny.
We also typically call them fenders in Canada. A good set of fenders will also help keep your bike clean in dry conditions, by channeling dust. Especially on trails.
Mudguards are brilliant. Previously I'd just not ride on wet roads. Now though with mudguards I'll happily ride on wet roads which means I get to ride more. I've even extended the front flap to prevent even more water being thrown up at my feet and chainset etc.
I've used mud guards for as long as I can remember. It actually started with my dads black mamba/Phoenix bicycle way way back and ever since, fenders have been a part of every ride in my bike given the muddy roads of the western part of kenya.
Please do next: "do you really need wheels?"
Describe modern bicycle life in four words: "they're not aero!" #mademyday
A contraction is actually 1 word so only 3 words
@@chrisfilby9678 The contraction makes it aero and lighter.
Lastly I have read they would be more aero if the front "mud gard" reaches very far in front of the front wheel - but I think there are no critical researchs about this.
@@SaschaN Bicycle Quarterly has done research into this very topic and found that a long mudguard does provide some aero benefits at the front tip, but the rear end introduces drag, so ultimately a full mudguard evens out in terms of increased drag.
I've ridden a bike WITHOUT mudguards only once, when my grandparents bought me a mountainbike for my 10th birthday. The first rain was enough for me to put mudguards on all my bikes. Also to people who want to keep their feet dry i recommend you extend your front mudguard. They are usually not long enough to protect your feet while peddling. So what i do is i cut out a piece of innertube from an old car tire, and bolt it to the bottom of the front mudguard. Helps alot.
I do something similar, I buy a piece of 3mm thick rubber mat off eBay.....drill 3 sets off two two holes and use electrical ties... works great!
The last 10 seconds explains why Hank gets assigned the harder videos.
I love mud guards anyway but that last point of keeping other riders clean is *chefs kiss*.
Mudguards always. Winter and summer (not much difference here in Lancs) roads filthy. Riding with friends - essential.
in doncaster you'd be sent to the back of the group for not having at least a rear mudguard on a grimey day, ollie should know this.
makes sense
Mudguards can actually reduce drag if they extend forward pass the top of the wheel. It helps shield the incoming air from the forward moving surfaces of the tires.
As a cyclist using MTB, I always put on mudguards. I remove the rear part because during summer and keep the deflector. Works like a charm!
Ollie looks like he had an little “accident”😂😂
Over a few years of doing a 30-mile-per-day commute through central London, my full-length mudguards with mudflaps were absolutely priceless for helping keep my feet dry, my clothes clean and my bike free of grit and road grease. They're an absolute gamechanger for wet winter riding.
more everyday, practical, down-to-earth content like this please GCN
It's most interesting to me to see the speckles on the shoulders and arms. I've found front mudguards need to extend forwards past the fork to prevent spray coming off the top of the tyre being dispersed into your face by the forward speed of the bike. Note that the mudguard doesn't stop your feet getting wet either.
Best GCN video cold close ever. This gag had to be done in one shot - Alex is absolutely clean just beforehand - so Ollie and Hank's reactions were genuine. Camera timing was perfect. The audience is laughing at the initial joke - then pans to a snickering Hank who just looks like he ate a canary. Brilliant. Keep it up GCN!!!
I have an so-called ass saver - a short plate of plastic sticking out from the back of my saddle. For me this is a game changer in riding in wet conditions. Shoes could be protected with shoe covers, but to get my lower back dry over a ride in wet conditions is soooo nice. Especcially for commuting, so my back isn't that soaked in dirt.
It is just a matter of cleanliness and politeness to use mudguards during the Autumn and Winter.
It's pretty anti social on a group ride to not use them....
group rides in 2020/21 - wow, you're bold!
@@feedbackzaloop Sure, Covid times excluding! 🤒
@@feedbackzaloop Actually, this winter, it's best not to have mudguards, as the flying spray is a good way to measure social distance. ;-)
@@beeble2003 I agree with your thinking 😆.
Mud guards can also protect your frame from tiny rocks
The reason it’s a rule in our club to use mudguards in winter is to provide some comfort to all those behind the ride leader(s)!
Was working in the driveway last weekend & I hear a bag of wrenches crash the other side of the hedge. A front fender caught the knobs on a kids e-bike. He said he just put on oversized tires. He did a endo over the bars and got cut big time. Cleaned him up and fixed the fenders - told him to watch out for bumpy roads.
I've literally just come in and the Mrs informs me that my skidmark's are so much bigger and dirtier than Ollies.
Maybe shecan smell them? ;)
@@thebrowns5337 Possibly, if that's the case then a mudguard isn't going to help much ;)
I've been running full length fenders for the past couple years here in upstate NY.. certainly keep me and my bike MUCH cleaner in the winter months especially with all the salt they use here. Also the guys I ride with really appreciate them!! lol
Very funny!! I have a winter bike fitted with long mudguards and flaps, perfect!
Mudflaps are an essential part of the system though.
I am a lot older than you. I can remember when mudguards were compulsory by law. Much larger and more comprehensive than the ones you are showing. Even so there was always one weakness that your video also showed. The underside of the front wheel throws up water and mud into my shoes. I found that adding a rubber flap below the front mudguard, to almost the road, made the necessary difference. Instead of the water being pulled up by the wheel it is kept as a stream that flows beneath your shoes. THAT is a huge difference even in a group. For most of my rides I would wish to have that flap again, even without the rest of the mudguard. Because IT WORKED.
Ah yes, the good old mud flap.
mud flap ftw
That's the first GCN video that's going to give me nightmares, I guess Dan is off the hook now for wearing those white bib shorts
And now it's time for cycling shorts.
Leigh Harwood at least they had black lycra on underneath, it prevents the worst aspects of such a faux pas.
Agreed Matthew but it was still a sight for sore eyes 🤪😳
@@leighharwood9415 My eyes were drawn to the 'standing out' parts - hilarious! As a woman, it was hysterical
@@bettyjones8363 I'm sure it was addictive viewing to straight women and gay men alike 😳😂
Outta sight, outta mind. Truer words have been rarely spoken.
But group etiquette would be to have mudguards so as not to cover your mates in mud.
I've seen some clubs where mudguards are mandatory on winter group rides.
Group riding? No ta.
Some older road bike front mudguards was enlarged almost to the ground to eliminate mud and water as much as it was possible and still not decrease ride clearance. I think this is slightly tiny version, but it works.
Haven't laughed so much in ages. Mudguards perhaps, but maybe jockstraps for this video would have prevented any nightmares ha ha!
I've ridden a touring bike across the U.S. 3X with fenders. The good: puddles, light mud, dusty dirt roads, they help a little. The bad: steady rain you get just as wet, bigger fenders often rattle on touring bikes, and they can be dangerous if you are riding miles of rail trails with sticks along the path. Every stick you have to hop the front wheel over. I have seen two cyclists crash when a stick popped up between fender and front wheel. And I have ridden a loaded touring bike over 300 miles through woods with fenders, hopping sticks along the way. Last, heavy mud vs miles that you have to cover, the mud builds up under the fenders until you grind to a stop. All that aside, it is saner to wait for a break in the weather, and safer since drivers can't see cyclists as well in the rain. Happy trails from U.S.
How can I unwatchable this? Can’t believe this made it past the censors. Seriously funny video.
that bulge cant be unseen.... they haven't post-editing-pre-uploading checking team?
3:20 No Ollie. They're aero, wind tunnel graphics show that mudguards that cover 135° of the tires actually cancel out the front-turning upper part aerofrictions and show less low pressure values behind the rider.
Can never unsee ......
My poor eyes!
I'm a 'Fred' - love your videos it's like driving a cheap Ford and watching F1 - I never get on a bike without mudguards. Most of the trails I ride on nowadays are covered in leaf litter much of the year - I'd be like a papier maché snowman if I didn't have mudguards. I ride 32mm tyres on 2 road frames, so there's not much clearance between tyre and guard - I have to keep 'twanging' the mudguards some times of the year to stop the mulch building up and rubbing on the tyre. My older bike has homemade pop-bottle extension flaps on after I pebble-dashed the kids in the trailer one time.
You forgot the mud flap at the lower end of the front mudguard. They work WONDERS and keep your feet dry.
I hadn't seen this when I wrote my own comment. I used that flap when I had to ride to school every day and turning up with wet trousers that you had to sit in all day was no fun. Although rain here is a rare occurrence, when it does come I wish I had that flap even if I didn't have any other mudguard. PS my rear carrier and bag means that I never get anything up the back. The carrier intercepts that.
I was once a tough Northern man, out in all weather & would never have thought of putting mudguards on my bikes. Fast forward 35yrs & I now have mudguards on all my bikes. PDW beast mudguards my favourites & have great coverage & great lines. Also you must have nice long flaps!! ( Oh Matron ) fitted to mudguards, especially on group rides. Your friends will thank you for not sharing road gunk with them. :)
Mudguards, always. A necessity for being a bike commuter in BC
Agreeed
Doubly important in Michigan where they use copious amounts of salt on the roads. Speed lost on the road made up in reduced cleaning.
And in North Wales.
Yes, for commuting, it would be insane not to use mudguards.
yes, I think this video isnintended for sports cycling. Commuters like us know that mudguards are a must along with anything that keeps you warm and dry regardless on how you look on it 😂
I'm a newbie novice, bimbling around town on my cheap hybrid bike. I'd already decided I wanted mudguards but definitely made a purchase after my first ride in the wet at night. The constant road spray caught in my light beam was so distracting, a similar effect to driving in fog. Any mud stopped is just a bonus.
Priceless at the end there 😂😆
On touring bikes yes, on racing bikes personal preference. I ride a titanium randonneur and it looks naked without them. But I'm 60 years young so speed doesn't matter so much. Comfortable long distance cycling is what I do, with mudguards LOL
These are the videos why we love GCN Tech!
I used to be like Ollie and hate them until I started commuting and put them on a bike. The difference is massive, especially the front one
Be good to see how much it stops mud from being sprayed onto the rider behind. Think you missed an opportunity then.
Don't give Ollie an excuse to wear the Morph suit again, please...
@@gcntech also it would have been nice to see the actual difference between a full proper mudguard and a ass saver
Depends on the mudguard.
It all comes down to geometry.
Generally If your mudguard go to or below the axle than you wont spray the guy behind you.
There are even variants with a little brush that cleans the wheel before ethe mud gets accelerated of the wheel.
What's missing is a mudguard that goes inside the rear triangle to really keep your legs and drive train clean.
a rear mudflap really reduces the spray that hits riders behind you, even with full mudguards/fenders.
The rear mudflap hanging below the fender should extend to a couple inches above the road to be most effective in preventing spraying the rider behind.
In Norway I'm pretty sure lots of bikes equipment that most people think of as optional, and that teenagers think is "uncool"; is actually mandatory for riding on the roads. You must have a functioning headlamp, rear reflector or lamp, fenders and a bell. Rarely enforced, but it's the reason you can't buy a street bike without them (it's not required for off-road or on streets that are closed off for racing).
All I use is an "ass saver" and I wouldn't want to be without it
Yep. Thumbs up for the mudguard/fender. But, full fenders only on my "winter bike". Also, I use a rear clip on guard to keep my back dry during wet cyclocross training rides.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.
i'd like the really long answer
@@BoCaine Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
Yes and a buddy flap on the rear. At our club they are compulsory between end of October and end of March on group rides. If anyone turns up without they’re in for trouble and riding solo.
Nice one, would have loved seeing the mudguards close up and see some alternatives and options as models to buy . Another nice video though 😊
Absolutely. I'm a daily bike commuter in Seattle area and mud guards are absolute necessity
Hi gcn, great video. Maybe it is an idea to get the crew together in these suits and fits each bike with different mudguard setups: full, asssaver, frameflap, none, etc. Do a proper winters ride and find out who is cleanest, fastest, most fun, etc. Best wishes and have a Nice christmas!
Yep. Mudguards are good. Except if you're riding offroad when the mud and water just end up splashing out sideways when they hit the mudguard. But they still help to keep the bike cleaner.
the ending haha in stitches :D
First thing I do is fit mudguards if the bike hasn't got any, and now I've seen the "skid marks" .... well, thank goodness I have fitted them.
Essential for winter riding, especially if riding in a group. Unless you want to sit on the back of the group for the whole ride....which to be fair doesnt sound all that bad an idea.
Contrary may be more true, ride on the front and stay cleaner?
@@Cyclonut96 im not sure your clubmates would tolerate that for more than 5 minutes lol.
Better idea: don't ride in the winter or rain
Cars and public transportation still exist you know, and there's no more tempting time to use them than in cold and damp weather
Ofc this video is made by Brits so the rain is more of a nuisance there
I would never have thought about it on a road bike, yes to a mountain bike but not a road. Looks like a good idea.
As a Dutchman that commutes everywhere throughout the year on a bike: yes.
lekker
I was just about to drink my morning coffee when I came across this video... and I mean... wow, the things presenters of GCN do for science is just wow.
Oh no, Ollie with the stain is probably my worst nightmare.
Funny I'm getting this video recommended. I recently got a new eBike and after one ride in the wet I had mud and dirt speckled up my back as high as my helmet despite having a rear mudguard.
I bought a new rear mudguard that extends beyond the back of the rear wheel - no more back streaks.
Front was still a problem, so have just put the rear mudguard on the front and we'll see if that's good enough.
I can see that if you're doing serious off-road biking then mudguards might get caught on obstacles, but for strict road/trail use, mudguards keep you and your bike cleaner.
Those mudguards are useless lol they need to be way longer than that and have some mud flaps to actually be usefull
absolutely. never seen mudguards that look less effective than those. I wouldn't ride with those even solo let alone in a group. They would not stop your feet from getting wet.
yall got a good suggestion?
i use these - www.amazon.in/Dark-Horse-Plastic-Mudguard-Universal/dp/B07FZYF2GD/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Cycle+Mudguard&qid=1607950971&sr=8-3 (something better than nothing)
My thoughts exactly. You can't paceline in the wet with those fenders. The most effective set up I've seen is a full coverage fender with an aftermarket flap of plastic or leather added.
@@venkatjayadeepj1342 I had a pair on my MTB, and when storing my bike inside the car, it broke... plastic...
@@venkatjayadeepj1342 $250-$320...ah, no thanks mate. Not just the funds, but also the weather here is not nearly as wet as the Pacific NW or UK.
I really like how they agreed at the end 😊
I CAN SEE EVERYTHING
yea you can tell who was the bigger junk with the white suits on!
American here, bikes aren't sold with mudguards here, typically. Great video.
This is WHY one does not wear white cycling shorts.
expose the lefty
I was like Ollie when I was in my 20's but now that I'm a grizzled vet I love my fenders.
The ending 😂😭
I have Kinesis T3 with sks longboard mudguards extra flap on the back to prevent spray hitting following riders . Front flap protects drive train and cold spray on your legs.
Ah, at last, my sleep paralysis demons have featured on GCN. Now I can rest easy.
riding a bike in the UK winter you learn very quickly full length mudguards are essential to keeping you dry and clean... PSA buy Overshoes for the same reasons, they will keep your feet warm too
Classic ending! Genuine lol. Cheers lads!
Clever presentation! My bike only fits a rear mud guard and I put it on a month ago. I don’t go riding in the rain in winter, but wet roads and the occasional mud puddle keep sand and grit off me and my bike. I should look into “what’s new” and see if I can fit a front mudguard. It keeps sand/grit Out of my chain/drivetrain
You always need mudguards in winter. Especially in the UK.🌧👍
just winter ? all year round it rains every month
Hats off to you Brits for riding in your wretched winter climate. I'd be on a stationary bike doing virtual rides in Italy or the Canary Iles.
Noone:
Absolutely noone:
Alex genitals underneath a white morph suit: HELLO!
Really hard not to miss them. We're in stitches here. Brilliant!
One of the better ones in a long time. It competes with the skeleton bodies of Si and Ollie in the gym!
Alex has nothing to be ashamed of there!
@@evandarling699 I mean he should be down right proud. Nice bonus in this video 👌🏾
Of course. If you're group riding in winter they're essential. Add a mudflap and you'll be even more popular with the rest of the team.
Its the Mudguard flap that really kept the worst of.. Out of fashion these days !
I had chrome fenders on my Schwinn, they kept that bike clean despite the weather.
Those aren't proper mudguards! You need full length on the rear to keep yr front mech clean, and full length on the front, plus flap, to keep your feet dry!
I've been keeping mud guards on my gravel bike more lately. Just makes clean up that much easier