HOW THE Tour de France BEGAN: Drugs, Killer Trails and Agressive Fans
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Tour de France was founded in 1903 by Henri Desgrange, editor of the daily sports paper L'Auto, to increase the newspaper's sales. Today it is regarded as the world’s most prestigious and challenging bicycle race. In this episode of ‘How It Was,’ we will show you the first Tour de France in 1903. You will find out about the crazy fans whose antics threatened to end the race and about dangerous routes for which the organizers were called "murderers." At the very end, we will tell you what doping substances cyclists used in the past, while those were still legal.
Christophe was further penalised 10 minutes as a young boy operated the bellows of the blacksmith forge and that was considered outside help....
fucking hell.. no mercy..
If you can't learn to be a blacksmith from the ground up, don't enter the race.
"Do you think professional sports are possible without doping?"
I don't think professional sports are possible, with or without doping.
As soon as it's your job, it stops being your sport.
It's silly to think legalizing and monitoring doping would be the solution. People would still break the rules and go beyond what's allowed. It's no solution.
Agree. The better dope comes on top. Still unfair
Maybe if they can take away enough of the advantage then it won't be worth it. Or even cheating won't actually give them enough of an edge to win. So it's just an unsolvable problem - sucks.
Totally agree with you and imagine the number of deaths our kids would have to witness on TV watching tdf...
Also what about the guys that do not cheat, we know for a fact some of them are not cheating, like in France we have quiet a few of them, even if they're not the majority we need to fight for them, simply for justice...
Speaking of drugs, is Maurice Garin smoking at 3:47 ? 😀
Not true at all that idea of allowing doping isn’t one to be tossed aside, Clarence Kennedy has a very in depth video about why the very idea of allowing doping would be better than not. The truth about doping is that many drug panels test for the most common steroids pharmaceuticals have come a long way many athletes dope and i’m talking MANY do dope using drugs that simply are not tested for by these blood panels.
As a former rider of some years ago I was extremely dedicated, training hard, healthy foods, plenty of sleep to aid recovery. I was supremely fit & yet didn't always get the results I expected.
Now many years on I hear about certain riders I raced with back then, being associated as drug takers.
It leaves a bitter taste to think I was cheated by other riders, riders that at the time I actually thought weren't as dedicated or as fit as me, yet still performed amazingly well in races of importance.
absolutely agree with this t-man, years of naively thinking our
contemporaries were clean and just better trained, but now
i see the reality, even at club level some would resort to
despicable short cut performance enhancing tactics ! now
we`re aware and i for one believe nothing in cycling is pure
effort, its corrupt to the core, a farce a sham and a facade.
This has the Ring of a bulshit story. You just looking for somebody to say oh poor baby oh. Oh my what a hero. I know you don't say how many years ago. Then you say Associated as drug takers. what a weasel praise that is. So you're saying it was just rumored? Probably started by people like you who in fact didn't have what it took. You can do all those things you mentioned and still get beat by someone who does all the things you do. They're just better than you.
Gotta look up to Greg LeMond for not doping his entire pro career. Some people are genetic freaks
@@Qwerty-fy6fx
Had many a chat with Greg over the years & his stance against drugs in cycling was the same as mine.
It's funny how the clean riders have always got ridiculed when they've spoken out against drugs in the sport, yet they're the true sportspeople who have wanted to achieve & do their best without cheating.
Those who've ridiculed the clean riders are the drug takers or those that would take drugs if in a position to do so.
Shame on them, they can't see the wood for the trees.
@@tman5634 you talked to Greg, I've replied to you . . . I'm getting closer. We've probably both cycled the distance around the planet. Cool man.
Nice information! Thanks!
I raced on an élite junior team from the Southwest from 87 thru 89. I know for a fact at that time, you couldnt break thru to the next level without peds. All of us were juniors but could race at cat 2 level without a problem. But we were All to close in skill level. If you wanted to stand out, you had to use.....
If other pro sports policed themselves like pro cycling, those other sports would have even more scandals. Look at tennis. Nadal admitted after winning the 2022 Australian open that he won because his doctor froze his foot so he could compete with a severe foot injury. Cycling does not allow such practices.
just look what the williams sisters were eating.
they are junkies.
Surely cycling at its best is about health and wellbeing? Yet its true that watching supremely fit athletes tackle mountain climbs is enthralling. I can't help thinking about those unique individuals that can compete WITHOUT using drugs - surely they are the better athlete and should not be forced into taking drugs in order to keep pace with lesser mortals.
Great comment.
As a former rider of some years ago I was extremely dedicated, training hard, healthy foods, plenty of sleep to aid recovery. I was supremely fit & yet didn't always get the results I expected.
Now many years on I hear about certain riders I raced with back then, being associated as drug takers.
It leaves a bitter taste to think I was cheated by other riders, riders that at the time I actually thought weren't as dedicated or as fit as me, yet still performed amazingly well in races of importance.
The whole race scene is extremely sinister. I wish all of this would end, and, as you stated, simple ride a bike for fitness and health. Genetics, what God gave you at birth determines all the winners of any race (barring drugs).
High level racing is far from healthy. It’s too extreme. Unless you have done a road race, you won’t know.
Health and well being and pro sports don't really go together. Pro sports are people taking it to the extreme, and many become obsessed and then depressed when their career ends because they don't know who they are without their sport. Add to that the drugs and you have a recipe for disaster. Many pro body builders don't live past 50. Doesn't seem that healthy to me. But still very impressive none the less.
2:17 not across France, but AROUND France!
Don't forget that these guys were riding for up to 7 hours a day, for three weeks, back in the day, the stages were an all day affair. they're not kicking a ball around a field for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon.
This video is epic, thanks
Pro cycling has, and continues to be the dirtiest sport there is. If anyone thinks pros are riding clean in 2023, you have your head in the sand. It's physically impossible, even for gifted, trained athletes to ride something like the TdF without Pharma assistance. And no positive tests for any rider is a weak defence against this claim. LA never tested positive either. Everyone is dirty, now enjoy the show.
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hey WAS Team, could you tell me where the shot from 0:19 is coming from? i know its cavendish, 1st stage 2016. It seems it was shot from the fans position. is there an original clip to that, where this angle was taken from? thank you for your help!
First 10seconds should be...
'This is what the legs of a tdf rider can look like after 3 weeks' & it's very rare.
Doping/Cheating IS the human experience. The idea of a completely clean sport with clean athletes competing fairly is nothing but an ideal, and has never existed. This is by no means an excuse for it, its more of an observation of reality.
Good info
During the early TdF cyclists used fixed gear bikes. No coasting and brakes. They just kept pedaling. I wonder how they tackled descends
Put your feet on the downtube and let the bike go
People still ride fixies for fun.
And they slow down by applying counter pressure on the pedals (though some go so far as to have a front brake)
I know a guy who lives near Mont Ventoux who rides a fixie. And he has done Ventoux on it. The idea terrifies me! I’m on discs now, and wouldn’t go back.
Great helmet. I like the adjustment in the back. And it is well vented.
How about separating riders who rely on doping into a separate class? It would be similar to auto races where there is a "stock" and "modified" class.
there will be the same issue again. controlling who does and who doesnt
Your idea is on point...
Like “ natural “ bodybuilding competitions…. You think those guys are all clean 😅😅😅😅
untilled a dude roid rages out coming in behind the back and attacks everyone or some overjuiced dude starts bleeding from the nose and eyes and falls over on his bicycle on live TV and dies on the spot
@@ctgottapee9020his own fault not going to lie
Cycling is all about power to weight ratio, blood and oxygen. If you get all of this at the top (especially using PEDs), you'll be at the top.
Its between the ears too
You forgot tactics, team and brains and luck
Nice vid
A rider is fixing his fork at a blacksmiths.
yeah - just normal.
FYI: In 1906, the highest court in France proved that Dreyfus was innocent (as opposed to simply "not guilty").
anti semitism is rife in white galic french i know them for 5 years in the hotel biz it was ironic me an irishman teaching frenchpeople how to run a restaraunt
drefessy most jews highjack respectable names just so the stand out
How many climbs, declined are in tour de france?. Total climbs and declined?
Anyone know the name of the climb at 6:44?
Not 100% sure but it looks a bit like the Stelvio Pass in Italy
@@TheFlyover thank you
Mechanical doping wasn't even touched here but it happens.
ONE COUNTRY WHOSE WOMAN HAVE DRUG TAKING OFF TO PERFECTION HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH IT FOR YEARS NOW BECAUSE THE UCI WONT INVESTIGATE BECAUSE IT COSTS TO MUCH MONEY AND ON TOP OF THAT PEOPLE FORGET THE DRUG TAKERS IN A YEAR OR TWO THIS WAS STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH TWO YEARS AGO.
If you legalize doping for proa, it will increase the used of PEDs throughout the sport, even into the amateur and junior ranks. Unsupervised or with poor guidance, racers will die.
back then they even invaded cafes and grocery shops to keep going.Shame that El Dopo is destroying the sport.I think that Guerin cheated thruout le tour?The reason why i tink is because ''he walked miles on foot looking for chemeneas to clean'' so he shud know all short cuts in the mountais.
Murderers!
The time related values of money are clearly nonsense. far too low If you had €22,000 in your hands you could not buy a car repair garage and a petrol station! You'd be quite limited in your choice if you just wanted to buy a bloody car!
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Forging your own forks stage. Seems legit.
Let them dope as much as they want but every entrant in the Tour de France has to ride a penny farthing.
Not a bad video, but could have done without all the random movie clips. The Tour De France is interesting enough in its own right.
Doping should not be allowed. It’s crazy to think it doesn’t exist, though. The stakes are too high. The money too big.
The Tour de France is 3'500 to 3'600 kilometers long and 4 times Mount Everest in altitude. The average speed is 40 km/h and more. This no human body can do without drugs/doping. It's a lie! Doing the Tour de France in 35 plus stages, with an average of 15 to 20 kilometers would be closer to believable and possible. But a slow Tour de France sport fans would rather not watch. It would be too close to the hobby riders. Sport fans want to see fast speed sports, it must be inhuman. For people who want to earn money by doing sport, they are forced to take drugs/doping, otherwise they don't get good paid contracts.
I'm sorry to say you're wrong.
Of course it can be done without drugs & it's always been done without, yet unfortunately there will always be the cheats who will cheat themselves & others & turn to drugs.
Those that have done so & do, disgust me, they're cheats & untrustworthy as individuals. It's no way to conduct yourself in any sport.
but sir ! you must be mistaken , when i watch my computer about the tour or any other cycling. they say only lance armstrong did this and was the only person to ever do it . surely you must be wrong !
every reporter that lance ever pissed off, and he pissed off a lot of them !
Sigh.
What a ridiculous statement.
What are you...... 12 years old??
@@falten2 why the gaps between sentences? Are you used to writing with crayons?
Ron Meier. Grow up.
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Let them dope. If all of them are using, and still only one gets in first place
..then that's that.
Are the women cyclists doping?? It seems like I haven’t heard about any of the women doping!!
It just doesn’t get as much publicity. Jeanie Longo (FR) was at the top of women’s road cycling for like an amazing 30 years, she was caught…
Speaking as a mountain-biker, i think the team aid/general concept should be eliminated along with 90% of the support part of the team. The rider should fix their own mechanicals, be subjected to doping testing post Each stage, only allowed One bike/wheelset, lengthen the stages, No car support vehicles, race at night, add gravel roads/smoother single-track sections, and kick out All the current corrupt UCI officials/coaches/doctors and start with a Clean sheet of paper.
This also applies to the other big races(Giro de Italia, Vuelta de España, etc.) too. Doping does a Huge disservice to the athletes who train naturally and honestly; a dope-fiend class would just legitimize Dirty racing. And not to put too fine of a point on the subject, road-cycling was Almost not allowed in the Olympics due to it's Quite tarnished reputation as a doping-riddled and generally corrupt sport...
Very lastly and in conclusion, UCI needs to be abolished and be replaced with an organization that has Zero Tolerance for ANY form of cheating and that also values riders' safety. Doing a time-trial on a rainy day (with a bike with racing slicks...), the fat men in UCI management allowing that, speaks volumes on how Dispensable the racers are seen/treated.
I prefer the faster action of tarmac. It's one of the major things that's always enticed me into road cycling; the smooth quick cornering on asphalt, same reason I like Formula One. I don't want to see European roadbike racing slowly turn into an American gravel grinder. Plenty of those elsewhere. And I don't reckon there's that many gravel roads in Europe. They've had thousands of years to pave or tile their roads. Night racing might be kind of cool though, or at least evening. How great would it be to see a Sicilian stage of the Giro during sunset!
@@michaelstratton5223 The Best tarmac racing on two wheels is Moto GP, AMA Track racing, or IHRA motorcycle drag-racing. Don't see too many roadies doing 140 mph on the corners, racing courses like Laguna Seca, or doing 0 to 200 mph in mere Seconds(!). I only follow loosely some of the tours because some of my more favorite cyclo-crossers do the tours.
I've done training rides with roadies in the past and outside the killer cardio one gets, it's not that fun and the riders are over-competitive, elitist, gram-weenies, anal, and a bunch of Euro lycra-spandex wanna-bes. Actual pros are worse, Spaniard roadie type wouldn't even acknowledge another member of the cyclist tribe because he was a snobby European and i was just a low-life mountain-biker/non-pro non-racer. (Majorly rude since He was a Guest in my country; i wouldn't pull that 'tude if I were in his...)
@@bartmullin8018 I've never had any interest in motorcycles, racing or otherwise. Which is weird because I adore F1. I guess for me, "bikes" in general are about the marriage of fitness and technology, so I have way more admiration for a pedal cyclist sustaining 30 mph for a mile than I do for a motorcyclist doing 140mph by pushing a throttle with their hand. That's annoying about that Spaniard roadie though, so many cyclists are into both disciplines that I don't understand that club elitism mentality. In fact I knew one guy who put a suspension fork on his road bike. Would be fun to see if the condescending type roadies view him as friend or foe.
@@michaelstratton5223 Post the Dirt Flu bug biting me in '89, the whole roadie package acquired a Sour taste. The Fun and challenges that came with the Dirt Flu was further supplemented by the cooler, more laid-back folks in the dirt tribe (not so present now sadly, elitism and gram-weeniage has polluted the sport; how much you've spent on your clone throw-away carbon-fiber framed FS determines your status quietly in the tribe...). Roadies and the slimy bike industry have Ruined the sport and gutted the soul thereof too. ('gravel bikes', e-bikes, halo bikes, and a complete rejection of the Core values of the founders of the sport).
I've gravitated more to the non-racing side since I'm a Lousy racer anyhow and refuse to torture myself with what you have to do training-wise to compete. All-day trail or mixed terrain rides and beginning attempts at Bikepacking are more where I'm at now.
As per the moto edge, i respect them because their tech has Hugely benefitted cycling in general for the last 110+ years; much cross-pollination between the camps... Additionally, i find that the moto overlanding tribe (see Itchy Boots and Charly Sineway videos; cool stuff!) has more of the Original spirit of mountain-biking (including a brotherhood that cycling in general Lacks); the roadies have been pricks for multiple decades and mainstream mountain-biking's Lost it's Soul and is nearly as prickish as their roadie brethren.
Lot of people beat up on the UCI without really knowing what they actually do, but in general I agree with you, and in fact the UCI has tried to rein in attempts to turn road racing into some kind of F1, and keep it more accessible to regular people. A lot of the complaints you hear about UCI this and that are coming from people who want to F1-ize it, and turn it into a super expensive media circus.
For example, the UCI still make all the riders stay in one designated hotel together. Helps to control doping, poisoning, and keeps costs down. If they didn’t do that, you’d have the stars sleeping in million dollar bus RV’s or helicoptering to 5 star hotels, and the domestiques in tents and sleeping bags.
The UCI resist the attempts to start weight wars with road bikes, which would create some danger and even more cost, by having a minimum weight limit.
I agree with you they should go further. Ban time trial bikes, they should all ride time trials on their regular road bike. Ban dining busses, and massage busses, and repair busses, and team chefs. Get most of the blasted motorcycles and team cars off the road.
Issues with doping cut across all sports, and in fact one reason cycling has a bad rep is because they were testing, unlike for example us baseball and football where in the past they’re didn’t test at all. What most people don’t know is how legalized doping works, which is one reason I can’t stand team sky - ineos, who are masters at it, they even give it a name, incremental gains. In any Olympic sport the athlete can go to their own national sports body, say they have allergies or a headache or they’re depressed, and get prescribed performance enhancing substances (“therapeutic use exemptions”) These prescriptions then are without question accepted by the Olympic committee, UCI, etc. It’s universal legal doping amongst Olympic athletes. Like Froome taking 20 asthma inhalers on every stage in the Giro, or the 20000 doses the Norwegian skiers took to Japan.
I think that all televised sporting events should display a list of the TUE’s and substances that every athlete is taking, right next to his number and stats.
Legalise it. Regulate the max quantity of usage of each drug. Everybody is using it.. EVERYBODY
Lance wasn't so evil after all
Except, you know, he was
He wasn't evil because he doped. He was evil because he threatened peoples career and life.
James Moore. Armstrong was a thug, a gangster and a blackmailer, not just a doper.
In terms of doping, nope.
In terms of viciously maintaining a lie to the nth degree where he would threaten anyone who brought up the matter and denigrate a former soigneuse who said that he had doped as "a slut."
You see, the thing that riles cycling fans up isn't that he doped although there is that for some, it's that he went on a psychopathic warpath with anyone who questioned how clean he really rode those Tours and therefore a) deligitimising his Livestrong charity and b)everything he ever worked for after suffering testicular cancer. Any other racer who was caught either did the "it was in a cough medicine I was given" or in Jacques Anquetil's case "leave me in peace." They never aggressively wanted to threaten anyone. He's trying to rehabilitate his image but the drugs isn't really the issue, not for me, it was the way he went about maintaining a lie.
@Steve Morley The only reason he gave himself cancer was all the doping! Nobody gets testicular cancer at that age! So yeah he raised money for a problem after intentionally engaging in a culture that helps cause the very problem.
"pain"? There isn't any pain unless you crash. A mild discomfort from pushing your body to a fraction of failure is not pain, it is the joy of fitness.
... as a German Biologist- this is about TRUST. I was a Coach for Swimming - and experienced the heavy burden of honesty and responsibility. When it is GREED - it fast gets criminal. Cycling is the worst Sport of all. You become a Slave to technology and abusers. Later I found running is still the least hazardous. I met my best comrades in Running Endurance training....
Cycling is not alone in it’s doping. Strongman, bodybuilding, American football… if anything use greater amounts of drugs than bike racing. In a lot of sports drug testing is incredibly weak such as in the NBA where they don’t even test for steroids or American football (NFL) announces when the tests happen. A lot of the dirty image of cycling is mixed messages of trying to clean up the sport, wanting the governing body to make money by protecting dopers as well as high level officials getting caught in scandals.
@@stefhirsch6922 it is a Mind Set - where are the Taboos -what Never to do. Those are adorable persons...
Running ruins your knee caps !!
The jan 2019 podcast series gladiator series,
by host Bob hohler, regarding the deep performance enabling drug culture in the NFL, and specifically discussed the New England Patriots.
The gel injections and testing for the weed , but not Dilauded.
Absolutely nothing wrong with any doping... do what you think you ought to do...
Really? Are you serious?What about ethics competing in sports? Then it is all about who's the best doper. Where does it stop?
Drugs, cheating, attempting to make a race "fair", is ridiculous. There will never be a fair race because we are all born with different genetics, those with the greatest genetics for long stage races will win the tour. There aren't any secrets to training, other than you need the discipline to train and race at times near maximum heart rates. Other than that, it is just a genetics race, who got the best gift from God at birth. Racing is actually disgusting thinking a winner deserves the win; competition is not much more than having a contest to see who is the tallest.
no
"The level of anti-semitism in France - and across Europe - was off the charts back in the day"
And all innocents now?
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.