Nintendo just f**ked up..
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
- Asmongold Clips / Asmongold Reacts To: Nintendo sued Palworld, not over the Pals designs similar to the Pokemons, but over patents that were filed in 2024 (after the game was already released) and in 2021 (right after the game was announced)..
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Nintendo's next patent "button inputs that cause player character to take actions"
Its kinda ironic really.
I mean we joked about EA "pay X amount to reload weapon" but Nintendo rose above EA, "reloading is a Nintendo exclusive, pay up or see you in court"
I'd pay 10 dollars to see that.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
@@ryosama1988 Its not even about to pay up. They have no obligation to even sell the rights to do that. So yeah, having a reloading gun in your game? See you in a court of the law, looser.
well they already have patent for healthbars sooooo
that doesn’t sound too ridiculous
Oh dude thats crazy.. what if down the line one entity gets all rights an patents to everything in games an they become the sole producer of games
As a former caveman i will sue Nintendo for stealing my patent of throwing rocks to animals.
you use 2-3 inputs to launch something at an enemy to cause effect" Basically right-click(aim down sight) left click (fire) launch (shoot) effect on target (damage target) THIS IS NOT NEW. well it checks out tbh also this was in games before nintendo like doom, counterstrike, halo or you know PONG
I think Palworld should take this sheet to a patent office and use it to Patent say Health bars, that way they take it into court and go well while we're at it we have a patent in regards to health bars or combat with a monster before capture 😁
@@secretsecret3528 they do have a patent for health bars, actually. I didn't believe it either.
@@GruntBurger can't wait for him to patent this concept millions of years after its first appearance so he can sue Nintendo specifically, give em a taste of their own medicine 💪
@@GruntBurger
You can't patent what is already in public use
Nintendo would have some sort of credibility/legality IF they invented the subject, but not 'x' years after it being in general use anyway
Nintendo bombing an orphanage because there's a kid called Luigi inside:
This is important, but I must know what this kids last name is... We might finally know what Mario's last name is!
@@UnrivaledPiercer luigi mcdonald
On God.
And, want to know the worst part? Nothing would change.
People would still declare Nintendo as the winners of The Console Race.
Nintendo on their Obama grind set.
@@UnrivaledPiercer We already know his last name, it's Mario.
@@SchemingGoldberg tf
Mario Mario?
A judge should listen to the case and then HEAVILY fine Nintendo as a warning to EVERY game developer that this is not allowed.
Nintendo is huge compared to Palworld. It would take a HUUUGE miracle for that to happen.
@@lionote9776not really.
The Japanese patent was filed in 2021, so it doesn't really matter when the English one was filed.
Ironically, A young judge would be perfect here because you can buy those.
But this was DONE in the first place to protect devs back when their stuff was being stolen wildely. Removing it would take us back to that time. It's either the creatives get their stuff stolen or the people at the top protecting the creatives go way too far.
Those patents are so vague and should have never been granted. These concepts been in games since the 80s.
This is true for a lot of patents. The people granting patents aren't smart, like most branches of the government.
I remember a few years ago when devs thought someone had successfully patented "transitions in camera changes" so they were all doing hard cuts to avoid infringement... except the patent was destroyed the moment someone challenged it because whoever filed it wasn't even the first one to do it and it had already been present in a few games
A still-valid gaming patent that hurts me is "minigames during loading time". Atari or something like this filed it (they allowed you to play pong while the game loaded) and that shit might never be available in our lifetime.
@@DanArnets1492 I saw that mentioned in another video on this topic, and that patent has already lapsed. Patents are not permanent, and are only VERY RARELY allowed to be extended beyond their original duration. Of course, this is spoken from a US citizen's perspective as I am unfamiliar with Japanese patent law. A patent was originally intended to allow someone who invented something to have the right to make money off of it before the design could be mass produced by others.
Interesting fact: Shadow of middle earth patented their nemesis system which is why we have almost never seen another game tool around with their own version of the concept with being dumbed down to not be the same thing.
This is how patenting works though. They do nothing different than other companies. You have to be loose enough to win in courts but concrete enough to be awarded said patent. Remember when Namco held a patent for playing games during loading screens? Nintendo also held, or maybe still does, hold a patent for Eternal Darkness's sanity metered. A meter that displays your current sanity is a part of said patent that any "meter" to display such a thing relating to a character's current mental state could be sued.
Whats worse is I bet Nintendo is banking on some old judge who knows nothing about games to just agree with them out of ignorance.
Pretty sure it's not even legal. It's the patent version of an ex post facto law. For those who don't know, ex post facto means you can't be arrested or fined for something that wasn't illegal at the time you did it. Either there is much more to this (I know, you never only get half the story on the internet to fuel rage) or they're just going to try to bankrupt the Palworld devs. Honestly, I don't care either way, Nintendo is evil, but the Palworld devs did copy their monsters and game aspects.
@@vfvs11a Did they copy stuff? Yeah. Did Nintendo have that massive appeal IP for DECADES and never made a proper game for it? Also yeah, so I honestly don't care even if it's a 1:1 copy, Nintendo should've made a proper Pokemon game and none of this would've even happened. They made over 20 pokemon games and honestly they all look like they could've been made in the 90's and early 2000's at best, absolute zero desire to make it what it should've been despite the technological advancement and high budget they could've used.
You forgot to mention, ALL these pokemon games felt the same, the last 3 ones that tried to be more refreshing had horrible animations and graphics @@KillahEU
100% Right.
The Japanese have such a hatred for copyright that they probably will.
Welp, pack it up, everyone. You can no longer "point and launch an object from your character", Nintendo owns that idea. Absolute clown shit.
bro they deleted thousands of addons from gmod recently because they represent their brand or something from their games (like pokemons, mario etc.). Work of so many people got deleted because of these greedy assholes. They weren't losing anything because of that, they did that just because they're assholes and nothing more. The only thing they gain from these actions is hate, it's almost like someone tries to sabotage the company lol
@@sadge0 i get the impression that the people at nintendo don't understand that they would actually be waaaay more successful if they didn't do ridiculous stuff like this.
@@sadge0 they do it because they'll get away with it. The general public doesn't know, nor do they care. This is why democracy doesn't really work.
Remember that people voted themselves into a housing crisis.
@@sadge0 I mean... technically Nintendo are allowed to do that. Recreating an IP within another IP is not really allowed, however most companies don't care/can't be bothered to go through the effort of removing them (see Gmod or Dreams as examples).
Edit: Nintendo is very protective of their brand and IP. Most modders already know this going into modding, so it's silly to complain about the work being taken down when they fully knew the risks. Not saying this is morally right, frankly I wish they were allowed - but they are explicitly not.
It's funny how Valve is a complete 180 of Nintendo.
Valve actively encourages you to create custom content for existing games. Nintendo will sue/shutdown you for it.
Valve will not care if you do something very similar to their own games. Nintendo WILL find a way to fuck you over.
Valve wins by doing absolutely nothing, Nintendo lose by doing everything but the correct thing.
Nintendo: "Patents Dinosaurs"
*_Universal Studios_** Wants To Know Your Location*
We should remember that Nintendo once said, "There are no copyrights in games," then tried suing most of the other gaming companies that they've copied.
Also the same company that patented the d-pad lol
@@BarneyGoogl at least that one was hyper specific so other companies could make slight changes and be perfectly fine.
wait, when did nintendo say this?
Would love to seem Doom claim this patent instead and say, nah dog, we invented launching something at other objects in a video game.
And then the creators of Pong saying, nah dog, that's literally the basis of the first video game.
Copywrite isn't the right to copy. It's the right to write copy. Copywrite is text or other visual representation that incentivises people to take an action. Pokemon is a registered copywrite because people buy stuff that has the logos or text identifying it as Pokemon. You can't copy that, but you can copy game mechanics and general looks as long as you call it something different and it's not confused as the thing you are copying.
Patents, what this suit is about, deals with invented functionality. You cannot patent natural things, you have to transform it into something with a practical purpose. So you cannot patent a maths equation, but you can patent the functionality of a system using these equations for the specific functionality you intend. Nintendo is alleging that how the capture system operates in Palworld is the same as in their patent. There are defences available in the US even if it is identical, but we will see what happens.
If I'm the judge, and I see the patent was filed months after the game launched, I'd immediately dismiss it. You can't just retroactively bring someone down like that. What an insane and desperate thing for Nintendo to do
Japan
I wouldn't just dismiss it I'd be handing out every form of punitive action I could at Nintendo. Sadly I'm not a judge.
The judge will most likely be paid by Nintendo already
Fr tho, Nintendo already has billions from their most famous game franchises, specifically Mario and Pokemon. Why are they fighting Palword for what’s literally scraps for them. Are they scared that Palworld is gonna actually be a legitimate competitor and they will have to move their lazy asses to actually innovate on their future games?
What a bunch of clowns, it’s a whole circus of idiots. Nintendo fanboys who defend this crap lives and breathes idiocracy at a daily basis.
You actually can do that in Japan, where the patent system does not explicitly exist to protect the inventor. (They do have ways for businesses - including foreign businesses - to try to expedite the filing process.) I honestly can't guess which way things would go should this actually somehow make it to a courtoom (Nintendo doesn't usually get that far when they litigate). Even by Japanese standards this doesn't look good, yet it's roughly in line with the social value that a large company by virtue of employing and taking care of so many people must be protected from threats by a smaller group.
To clarify from a post made by a patent lawyer:
The patent IS NOT about throwing or the throwing animation. It is about switching between throwing a ball to catch and succeeding the catch to then throwing out a ball to release a monster.
This means it’s a very specific action and set of rules. If any of the aspects of the patented switching mechanics method are not done by Palworld, then the suit will be thrown out.
Also, no, the patent was not filed in 2024. It was filed for the first time in Japan in 2021. The most recent version was refiled on that date, along with filing it for a 3rd time in the US. The US patent office rejected it on Sep 13th, which is likely why they filed the suit when they did, as they waited for the US patent office verdict to try and file suit in the US instead.
still,the fact that it was patented AFTER palworld´s launch and success is as scummy as activsion taking down h2m mod right after the modern warfare remastered sale ended (that specific mod boosted the sales of this game by promising og modern warfare online experience playable again)
@@nomoredlc593did you forget to read the end of the comment
@@nomoredlc593 The person you're replying to mentioned why the date is 'after' Palworld's release.
I mean even then the specific action they patent could be considered too general by a court, would not the first time a company had a patent on something that a court then decided is too general to be patented.
" It is about switching between throwing a ball to catch and succeeding the catch to then throwing out a ball to release a monster." This was supposed to make it any better? It is still dumb
It should be illegal to patent a game mechanic or system. The fact that they allow it at all is a travesty and it's 100% stifling to creativity.
I'm still salty that the nemesis system got patented. How many games could benefit from that system?
It should have to be more specific.
there's a million ways to fry an egg but banning the use of pans means no one can do it.
Funny story, the original arcade donkey kong that helped launch nintendo into the gaming industry, they were sued over. The only won that suit under the premise you "couldn't patent game mechanics such as jumping"
Or something to that effect, might have a few details off cause its been ages since I originally found out about that nonsense, in anycase, the irony.
It doesn’t hold up in court
Maybe just get rid of ip laws because the concept of owning an idea is stupid?
So Nintendo just declared war on Digimon, Ark, Slug Terra, Minecraft, Roblox, Call of duty, and everyone...... did I forget Dinosaur King
Also an old fairy capture game called Zanzarah.
Ark survival evolved/ascended too, it has cryopods that you throw at a dino to store them
@@DarkZodiacZZDamn Nintendo gonna have skeletons coming out of their graves ready to square-up
Yup, if Nintendo succeed in this lawsuit. Then all games that features monster catching will be endangered so this is definitely more than just Palworld that most don't realize.
I hope Microsoft and Sony step in to help because this is much bigger than just Palworld. @@Redsword603
They just hate Palworld cause they did something right where Pokemon failed.
Well at the end of the day, Pokemon has been a massively successful franchise in many different mediums for like three decades and will continue to be, whereas Palworld was a fad for like a couple weeks. So who really failed lol
uh, I see where you're emotionally coming from, but Pokemon is definitely not a failed project lol
I wouldn't say only hate but also greed.
Humans are a shame of species.
30 years running strong vs a few weeks so which failed again? Your definitely a kid😂
@@IPATI21CIK He's talking about innovation....how dense are you?
Reminder, it isn’t copyright, but patent suit. And it’s specifically in Japan, which both allows things to be patented that aren’t allowed elsewhere, and is stricter on enforcing the laws as they don’t have fair use
So why is this even an issue then?
I feel like any judge with half a brain would tell Nintendo to fuck off.
Not in Japan unfortunately
Because quite a lot of judges don't have even half a brain
Nintendo has Yakuza-like power when it comes to suing people. I wouldn't be surprised if they are in the pockets of the judges.
You just stated the issue....
Will the court be in Japan? I know they're very biased there and would happily agree to Nintendo's terms out of spite / bc of Nintendo's influence.
Patent. Not copyright.
As in invention. Catching things and using them to fight is their RECENTLY FILED patent.
A ton of cock fighters in Mexico should sue Nintendo now.
Prior art.
@Najeeb_Gamer7788 Keep begging then.
Whatever patent clerk approved this MUST have put zero effort in checking other instances of similar mechanics. Hopefully Activision doesn't patent reloading..
@@christinaapplesauce2459 "Prior art" doesn't apply to patents. Patent law only cares about who applied first.
The point isn't to win the suit. The point is to impose such a heavy litigation cost on Pocketpair that they abandon the game.
Yeah I think they should put a fundraiser or something, I will donate.
Pocketpair made a ton of money from palworld they have enough money and lawers to fight back.
@@ATBZ Litigation can cost hundred of millions of dollars and Nintendo has incredibly deep pockets. They have the ability to outspend Pocketpair no matter how much money they have made.
@@ATBZ not as much as nintendo. Thats all that'll matter.
@@ATBZnot to mention if they spend all of their palworld money fighting off Nintendo then what are they left with to run their business afterwards?
Nintendo was bullied by Universal over Donkey Kong in 1983, and now they are doing the exact same thing to a small dev
Universal lost the rights to King Kong, and Nintendo is trying to avoid doing the same thing.
Just goes to show that no one really wants to break the "Abuser/Abused" cycle. They just want to maximize the time when they are the abuser, and minimize the time when they are the abused.
Wasn’t King Kong public domain before this lawsuit?
@@Cretaceous158 Rights as in Copyrights, not a patent. One is specific, the other is little more than a concept.
@@Amplifymagicto my knowledge, the lawsuit actually put King Kong into public domain, which is why Nintendo is pretty stingy about IP, for fear of losing their own. (Not saying this whole “patent a fairly vague and common concept” thing is ok btw, this lawsuit is actually insane)
We've been capturing animals for thousands of years and nintendo basically just decided to say they're the ones who invented it, wtf.
Someone needs to make a game using the patent graphics where you capture dinos and make them fight 😂
They didn't even invent the monster hunting genre. I'm pretty sure it was Atlus, with Megami Tensei.
@@tuluflulu Bingo! except we didnt capture them, we had to negotiate with them for their allegiance. And it wasnt animals, it was demons lol
Sounds to me like Palworld can just change how you tame a monster in the worst case scenario. If nintendo still tries to go after them then they are declaring war on any game that allows you to tame wildlife.
@anon2752 had they been original from the start it never would have been a problem. Serves them right honestly. The industry needs originality not AI generated copies stuck in most common genre of churned out game - crafting survival junk
You wanna know the worst part of all this? Thousands of Nintendo/Pokemon fanatics were messaging Nintendo to sue Palworlds. They're just as toxic.
Nintendo fans are the worst. We need to gatekeep them out of video games.
數以萬計的任天堂仇恨者也在做同樣的事
@@風上-l8y WHAT?
@@風上-l8yIt's always funny watching people defend billion-dollar corporations. Especially when they are objectively doing something scummy.
@@anonomalycompanies give us things that make us happy and form a huge part of our lives, however they also take advantage of us and become greedy. Both the company defenders and haters are equally as bad.
They now own T. rex, city, a human shape, throwing, and pterodactyl
Nintendo is really good at being scummy next to ubislop and Ea.
Nintendo being scummy is everyone knowledge for 20 years.
Yea, but at least Nintendo puts out good games.
@@Athrel out of 20 slop games there will always be a few good ones
Nintendo has always skirted a line, like, with how they crack down on emulation... which is technically their right, but also they limit/have no access to legit means to play many of their old games/back catalogue.
Also their aggressive stance on fan games/projects which AGAIN is within their rights.
This however is firmly and fully in scumbag territory.
@@svenstevenson2245 Didn't they bitch about the smash fan game (it's like a modded version of Smash brawl) that was literally great and everyone liked it so much they even had tourney's with it. but nintendo had complained that they didn't want tourneys with it because it was a fan game.
Imagine if our forefathers had this-
“No. Can’t throw rock at tiger. That Grounk’s move.”
a person that threw a rock at a coyote when being chased and now he's getting jumped by nintendo lawyers
Good thing this is my copyright-free "stone" and not a rock!
Grounk sue you in court..grounk has very good lawyer
LMAO 😂😂😂😂
"Not same. Dis Rock rounder corner round."
~steve job's ancestor
Attempting malicious but frivolous lawsuits like this should be extremely illegal. As in not only being thrown out immediately, but the instigating party should be fined harshly for it. Not the kind of slap on the wrist $10m fine that basically renders such actions legal to a large enough corporation, but more along the lines of a value equal to 25% of their annual revenue, or some % of the net worth of the company. This should be applicable to copyright too. Companies _should_ be afraid of launching bullshit claims no sane individual would ever consider legitimate, daring to do so _should_ pose an existential threat to them.
There's a few places that already punish vexatious litigation, but something like your comment needs to be more widespread.
@@RaceBandit thing is if you want your country companies to dominate other countries companies in global market, you have to allow nasty behaviour. Its global competition, ones that exploit small ones better are the winners! No country can afffors to be nice, othwrwise they will be dominated by not nice ones
Nice try commie but we ain’t doin that
FYI companies delay patients as a strategy to extend the life of ownership. It’s very common. AFAIK all they have to show is they created the mechanics origins predating the infringement. Japan also has different patent laws and applications.
@@jonathanstone4878 that should not work. If others make the same before the patient is requested it should be void. They messed up and should not try to miss use patient law
Shin Megami Tensei existed before pokemon... get the Messiah to court. We need a god slayer.
What's insane to me is something like Shadow of Mordor's Nemesis System is patented and therefore you can't have anything like it in another video game until after the year 2039. That's obscene. So many games would be so good with a similar system.
The only reason it's patented is because the judges approving of this are corrupt af, just another day in murica
Right! Might be a bit extreme, but imo, the patent and copyright systems need a massive overhaul or to even just be dismantled entirely. Why should the original creator have any special protections from people making their product or concept better than them? As the original creator they've got the advantage of being first, they shouldn't have the advantage of being the only one.
Warner Brothers hasn't even used it since 2017
@@smithynoir9980 You're not the only one, as time goes by, more people will realize this.
Nope, i hated that shit and i hated that i couldn't beat the game while ignoring it. So i'm pretty happy with it being locked away for good.
That patent being filed after palworld was created would have astonishing levels of implication going forward.
"hey, this game took our mechanic, lets go out and create the patent for it, and then sue after it's success. then they'll have money for us to take"
whaaa...
I really pray this fails. This has terrible implications for the future of video game development :(
@@theoutsider8745This will have some fun implications, many of the patents they are trying to pass are mechanics used by microsoft, sony blizzard, steam, etc. Those ones will sue Nintendo into oblivion when they overstep.
"I want your awesome, unique game mechanic, and I have money to burn so fuck you"
nintendo wins this, and we're sent to an even darker timeline.
And the worst part is all the creature capture games already out there. All of which are better than pokemon, but do the monster capturing thing.
Personally i think the patent could be argued for catching specifically T-rex's and pterodactyls, not monsters. People always find loopholes.
@mandzph There's plenty of other games that use the same mechanic.
Seeing that they're singling out a single company. PalWorld devs can pretty much use this as evidence that they're being targeted.
Plus, the patent was filed almost a year after Palworlds release and years after games like Ark Survival and so on.
It's definitely not a good look on Nintendos part.
Reminds me of when King tried to trademark "candy" and "saga." Imo one of the most important roles of government is to prevent companies from becoming monopolies. These kinds of practices cannot be allowed to stand
I hope King didn't honestly think they would get away with that. You can't trademark the English language.
@@robd9921look up the story of Skydrive
@@robd9921with enough money and influence you can copyright anything
Monopolies can only exist with the government's help.
@@robd9921 I got shadow banned but the word sky has a patent
The entire legal framework of how copyright works needs a complete overhaul.
This why it’s 100% fine to pirate all Nintendo games
it's not fine, but i still 100% doing it
@@a.p5193 its fine.
It isn't fine to steal anything from anyone.
@@Bicasso sure it is, especially ubisoft , sony and cd projekt red
@@Bicassoexcept from a thief himself
Bruh, this would literally make every single fps game illegal.
The patent is so vague, it could apply to everything from grenades, to rocket launchers, to artillery, to even tanks and regular handheld guns.
If this actually goes through it will completely break the gaming industry overnight.
It will break the industry in japan
I thought so aswell, but it specifically says that a fighting character is launched.
This still is broad enough to include multiple large IP's like Bakugan, Beyblade or Yo-Kai watch.
The Western industry will not ve affected at all.
@@schwarz8614 call of duty still falls into this category
Monkey Bombs are technically a fighting character
Lil Arnie is a cthulu based distraction device.
Homunculus is a shrunken tribal man that runs around beating the shit out of zombies.
These would all class under "fighting Character"
the art of throwing items like spears etc is literally one of the fking primordial moves we're built to do, from war to hunting to playing it's literally in our build to do this
Nintendo out here trying to make grenades illegal in games.
at least if grenades summoned zombies afterwards ya
@@StarkBeaumont in CODM the monkey bomb summon zombie upon thrown
when the company is no longer a game industry, but rather sue industry.
Right when I saw Palworld I assumed they'd get sued by Nintendo.
The higher ups probably told the legal department "we want to sue these guys, churn out a lawsuit" and that's what they did.
Paralegals on the cheap
I mean company owned by Microsoft stealing designs? Microsoft should have been smarter and told them to make original designs
They were so determined they filed a patent and then sued them on said patent
@@Mark-sd4hv Microsoft doesn't own Pocket Pair
@@Mark-sd4hv Someone can't do a basic google search or actually read the news. How sad, very sad.
Imagine someone patent all the ingredients and cooking techniques until you can't cook anymore.
this should be fucking pinned god damn
At that point, just throw caution to the wind and ignore the patents
RUclips BETTER FUCKING EXPOSE THIS COMMENT TO MORE PEOPLE
So if I am understanding this correctly:
"A game program, a game system, a game device, and a game processing method are provided that enable a player character to perform various types of actions on a field in a virtual space.
[Solution] In a first mode, the aiming direction within the virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and based on a third operation input, the player character is caused to fire an item that affects a field character placed on a field in the virtual space in the aiming direction; in a second mode, the aiming direction is determined based on the second operation input, and based on the third operation input, the player character is caused to fire a combat character that will engage in combat in the aiming direction."
The first half of this is comically broad. It is just saying you launch something that impacts someone else on the field. If I'm following, this doesn't need to mean capture. This could be as stupidly broad as lobbing a grenade at someone. You threw an object, object had an effect on someone else on the field.
The latter half however looks like it refers to the summoning of allies to fight for you via throwing them onto the field, a la Pokemon. This patent however is also extremely broad and would get heavily in the way of any kind of minion/ally based gameplay. Ark, I believe, but also I expect things like Digimon and others too.
This is a very bad precedent to set. Nintendo needs to lose. I have loved Nintendo all my life, Link was literally my role model growing up, and I love so many of their IPs, but this needs to stop. This *can't* be successful or we are in for a catastrophe of set precedents.
Even summoning in Skyrim can classify as the second half, this shit is so stupid is not even funny
@@gabriellemos2 Summoning in terraria would classify as the second half as well... like... even fighting games are in danger because of how many characters have minions or allies or whatever summoned... even anime has summoning, are they going to patent the ability for there to be any anime game where a character summons another character to fight (jojo's bizarre adventure for example)?
Throwing a flare for an air strike or close support helicopter could fall into that second half
@Lord_Chibi I think the key point is in the throwing or "launching" so any game in which you target where your summon appears would count, but I don't think calling in assist characters in fighters would be threatened. I could be wrong though, I'm far from fluent in Legalese.
@@knowwhoiamyet it's a patent saying you "throw" a fighter character... any game where someone is summoned into a fight can be questioned. It doesn't matter if they'd win against other games, it's now grounds for a lawsuit where you can claim characters are "thrown into a fight" and it's breaking the patent.
Also look at monster hunter. You're telling me if they make a game where I grab a palico and throw it at one of the monsters that they're stealing from pokemon? That would be enough to set off the patent, in a game where you neither catch or train monsters, nor does the gameplay revolve around making creatures fight each other.
Nintendo is cooked, so much for that streak if an indie company can corner them in their own litigation.
So the reason they didn't sue before was because they just recently patent the style. The scummiest stunt they have pulled yet.
Nope, they didn't patent the style and nothing about this case is about the style. It's all about the throwable ball capture mechanic.
@smithynoir9980 Still it's ridiculous
@@X_Blake It's not bro. How come inventing a new concept and patenting it is a scummy thing? Do you expect companies to make every invention public so others can copy it?
@@actualyoungsoo If its already in the public to begin with, its stupid to even patent it because its not a new concept. Thats the very reason why these very company who use Patent law, also play with AI with BILLIONS of User Data be it from PUBLIC or Private one.
This is the same energy with Water is not for everyone kind of bs.
So stupid, dishonest, and this is not Covid anymore. Everyone want these big corp to fail more than ever.
@@actualyoungsooNintendo did not invent that concept at all tho, it existed before them they’re just the first to patent it
If Nintendo wins, I'm speeding down to the patent office to patent beef on grain based buns, and suing all restaurants that make burgers. Basically the same thing.
This lawsuit screams *pettiness*
They better lose. Hard
This shit wont fly.
it shouldn't, sure, but we live in a clown world, and God only knows what the japanese courts will do
@@xExekut3x Yeah we don't exactly live in a rational world. I am very worried this will succeed :(
@@xExekut3xthe only thing stoping this is the fact that Sony bought Palworld. It will be fun to watch how this unravel.
Unless Nintendo gives the a meaty BJ under the table.
@@adrianocs4if Sony can beat nintendo's ass in court and put them in their fucking place, I will take back every bad thing Ive said about them this console gen.
I'm gonna patent a first person view with a weapon in hand. So I can retroactively sue all of the FPS's, all the way back to Doom 1/Wolfenstein 3D. Complete lunacy...
I remember when questioned, Nintendo released a statement that they would not be pursuing legal action against Palworld, when the game was still within the whirlwind of the hype. I guess they were just biding their time and sneaking in a few patents to cite later.
I honestly don't know how or why people still give those clowns money. Zelda/Mario isn't worth the damage they will do to the industry with moves like this.
It sucks because I was a little hyped for the new Zelda game coming out but I've been staying away from Nintendo games for a bit because their obsession with copyright and patents is a real turn off. :(
@@theoutsider8745 When the revenue dries up, the companies will learn. Good on you for having the restraint to do that. Not many others do.
I am the same with Sony. I would have bought the Ghost of Tsushima steam release, but all of their recent shady practices have put me off even bothering. Even though I hear the game is amazing. Likewise for Crunchyroll too (Which is also owned by Sony). There are a few animes on there I would like to watch, but I refuse for the same reasons.
@@theoutsider8745 I am the same with Sony. The Ghost of Tsushima PC release, and Crunchyroll are two things I would have put my money into. Not after all the scummy stuff they've been doing though. Screw that.
@@theoutsider8745 just acquire a "used" copy, that way nintendo doesn't get any money
I still stick to nintendo game
me and my family loving the handheld device so much
the game really had much family friendly than other platform
but yeah, that nintendo law really strict
its will backfire, but their game still worth to play
i think it just their PR or Lawyer problem that suck
BRB filing a patent for a piece of meat between two pieces of bread. Mcdonalds and Burger King time for you to pay up for infringing on my patent!
Sorry, the 4th Earl of Sandwich already copyrighted that one!
@@labrynianrebel patent =/= copyright
The game feature they patented was first used in Pokemon Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet. Those two games came well before Palworld so they have a right to patent it.
Thats less vague than Nintendos patent 💀
@@CJP_Libra yeah and primitive humans from tens of thousands of years ago invented throwing something to catch something. Nintendo didn't invent it. Smarten up.
Nintendo's lawyers know how narrow successful copyright claims are. Especially with video games, where there are so many avenues to argue transformative differences. This is about bullying the developers for the next couple of years, not protecting any copyrights. They don't want to make better games; they want the competition to go away.
That's ALWAYS how nintendo has operated :/ They even kill off internal projects if they think it'll take spotlight from their "core" games like mario, many an interesting and creative new game has died so that they could their "A" team gets all the attention on a new mario game. (don't forget Miyamoto hates metroid and wanted the series dead, hence why there wasn't a game for a long time until they finally just outsourced it)
Why can’t Nintendo just leave Palworld alone? It’s acting like a spoiled and petty child at this point.
because they don´t want anything that could challenge pokemon. nintendo knows modern pokemon is hot garbage, and if the masses realize they could get a better monster catching game, it´s over,so better erase all competition so they can keep on releasing cheap games every 3 years
@@nomoredlc593 which is fucking funny because the Pokemon Team has the budget to make an actually good game with good graphics. For fucks sake it's their, like, 3rd best seller next to Mario and The Legend of Zelda, and somehow the games just get worse and worse
For example: What the fuck is Terastalyzing? Gigantamaxing? Dynamaxing? What purpose do they serve when everything was just find with, *MEGA EVOLUTION*. It worked, we had a system, but fuck all that shit. Let's just add another unnecessary mechanic that we'll throw away in the next game.
Even worse? The games aren't even hard now! Gone are the days of "Pokemon can faint from a status effect in the overworld, HM's have you work around your team so you know who can do what, you need to grind out each pokemon individually to make it work." And instead they basically breastfeed you with "Oh don't worry, your pokemon can just tough it out, HM's? Nah, we;ll just Pokemon Ranger that shit and turn them into TMs. Grinding? Oh, just do it with one pokemon and everyone levels up!"
@@nomoredlc593 nintendo knows everything they release is hot garbage tbh
M O N E Y
@@nomoredlc593to be fair,legends arceus was pretty fun.
Just a reminder that it's morally okay to pirate Nintendo games.
No, it's not. You're stealing just like Nintendo is trying to steal from Palworld.
hahaha yeah the last time i did that my pc had a blue screen becareful what you pireat or else you'll lose your pc
don't need to remind me twice. funny thing is, I deem most of their games not worth it though (nothing against it, just my preference)
@@MN-jw7mm It's morally okay to steal from Nintendo
@@MN-jw7mm Difference is, I'm not a sleazy multi-billion dollar corporation.
*EMULATE EVERYTHING, PAY THEM NOTHING!*
Game mechanics becoming monopolized is not a good sign
you cannot patent existing things in the civilized world. game mechanics that existed since doom. mate this is the core of every game "you use 2-3 inputs to launch something at an enemy to cause effect" Basically right-click(aim down sight) left click (fire) launch (shoot) effect on target (damage target) THIS IS NOT NEW.
@@Loki-qo2kb Bud, this is pertaining to Nintendo and this lawsuit. If they win this case then when it comes to this game mechanic, Nintendo is going to keep building cases against other developers using this mechanic.
@@chilltunes8926 dude, other than primitive countries like japan being a medieval shithole cosplaying as a modern country with a mafia level justice system this shit wouldn't fly. They "patented" a game mechanic they didn't invent, one was publicly available for nearly half a century. Imagine them trying this shit in the modern world like Americas or Europe, they would get their shit kicked in my microsoft or ea lfmao
As a Nintendo fan, Nintendo damn well better fall flat on their faces here.
Why? Microsoft should have known better. Stealing designs and making them hold guns.
Remember when Nintendo had to fight Patent Trolls for the Switch/Wii U? Or when they had to fight for the rights to Donkey Kong. Live long enough to see yourself become the villain I guess…
Start patenting vague gameplay mechanics in nintendo games then come after them unoreverse.
I cannot think of any other franchise where you throw a ball to catch a monster and use that same ball to summon it except for pokemon and palworld.
And what's even sadder is that, Japan is known for being old school and using outdated system so things like this will never ever change..
The current generation has actually been less traditional from my understanding, its still the oldheads over there that are extremely old school
Well with their population in a downwards spiral, they are due for some major cultural shifts over the next few decades. Then again so are most developed nations.
@@GreatRaijin The issue is the oldheads run everything over there. That's an issue everywhere, but it's especially bad in east Asia.
@@obligatoryusername7239 not forever, only for now
"old school" is a really bad way to spell "corrupt as fuck"
This is like if you had a bike and all the kids on the block played with you, but after a few months it's old news, but then the neighbours kid gets a scooter and all the kids come over to check it out! Meanwhile you devise a plan where you buy your own scooter, just to drive past the neighbour and scream at him that you had your scooter first. When they don't back down you call the police and try to get the neighbour arrested, but the cops and everyone around you goes "Look kid, you can't just put someone in jail because you want to be the only cool kid".
Pathetic Nintendo. Pathetic
They're just doing it to waste the money. It's a classic megacorp bully tactic. Know you're wrong, sue anyway, do every single process possible to drag out legal issues as long as possible, file every appeal, cause as much grief as possible, and hope the smaller company simply runs out of money to pay lawyers or has to go bankrupt.
Sony & Microsoft: **enters the chat**
Not happening. If anything this gonna increase support for Palworld. No way is this gonna end well for Nintendi
Couldn’t you countersue for harassment?
@@SavathunSussyImpostorthe problem is that for as long as the legal proceedings go on they must keep paying lawyers, when they win they can get back the money they spent from the other party but Nintendo has A TON more money than the palword Devs so it's just an unfair practice to bully the little guy
@emanuelstornello8009 but palworld has Sony behind them and you know Sony isn't going to let this slide if it's not thrown out, Sony is know to be just as petty and protective of what they have sunk money and time into.
My town in the U.S. had an election committee for the independent party that was literally just "(Town Name) - United" - that was it. So a local coalition of (unspecified figures) from within the community Trademarked that slogan despite the independent party using it for years (including in the upcoming election). The judge sided with the newfound patent owner and basically stated that the independent party must remove the slogan from all present advertisements, mail, and merchandise, and basically shook his shoulders and said they should have traded marked it over a year ago.
This is peak scumbaggery from the same people that destroyed and sued the developer of Yuzu emulator for millions of dollars.
I agree that THIS is Dumbassery, but tbf, Yuzu kinda deserved it, they genuinely were doing something illegal by pirating games and encouraging the same
@@aaravgaur7 Yuzu only developed the Yuzu emulator. The ROMs were distributed by other parties as a separate operation. In the late 90s I believe emulation started. No one was ever sued. You could download and play a ROM of a game that you physically owned.
Now the current issue is that you could buy TOTK for switch and also download or extract the game ROM of TOTK, and play it on a over locked 4090 at 4K 120 FPS using an XBox Elite controller, which is so much better than the experience you would have on Switch's garbage hardware.
And Nintendo completely screwed over the Yuzu crew because of other parties distributing TOTK ROMs. Nintendo is very litigious. They weren't like this in the 90s and 2000s as I recall.
@@GrosserAndrew5000 No, I'm pretty sure Yuzu got sued because there was PROOF that the devs were pirating games in order to test and develop the emulator.
Obviously Nintendo has become more touchy and pugnacious over time, but there is a fine line between simply becoming more aggressive with their IP, and then actively circumventing provisions of natural justice and common morality the way this is happening.
Yuzu Dev's actually built their Emulator on the back of pirating games and we're actually breaking the law, hence, I think it is fair that they got sued.
Whereas THIS, is just... Not it.
@@aaravgaur7 I'm pretty sure they also distributed the totk rom on patreon or something.
@aaravgaur7 Yuzu got sued because Nintendo was angry people used it to play pirated games. There are no grounds on which you can stop the development of the emulator. What they did was target the individuals behind it, as they were promoting piracy themselves. The devs shut down the project to protect themselves against a lawsuit, not because the way the emulator worked was inherently illegal.
It's a really awful move to sue a company over a patent, but not even inform them WHAT patent is the issue. It's really gross and just classic Nintendo.
It's even worse when the patent is made after the fact. Its like Samsung or Apple making a patent today about using cameras on their phones and then suing all the other phone companies for having them. Any sane Judge would throw this out before it even gets to the courtroom because it would just leave an open ticket for other companies to do pretty much that exact scenario and use this court case as their benchmark.
@@thevonya3977 You do have to keep in mind that Nintendo is the #1 Japanese company. I sure hope they lose though
What's worse is that Nintendo will most likely win this case cos the lawsuit was filed in Tokyo, and the Japanese justice system is so f*cking retarded that it'll almost always stand with the one that filed the case.
@@thevonya3977 i love when people say the patent was made after the fact even though there is literally no way to know which patent was infringed upon because it hasnt been made public yet.
@@GreatLordOz Japanese law can be weird at times, but I think they will judge this case fairly. They probably realise that if this case goes badly, competition in japan is gone in all industries forever, and western companies won't sell to them anymore. There's a lot at stake for the country, and palworld is probably fine IMO.
One day, we'll end up having patents on everything. "pressing button to bow" "clicking a setting button to control music volume" "pressing any key to start the game"
We're slowly entering a cyberpunk dystopia
im pretty sure we already are the patent holders are just not pressing on them for now. there is a whole business in just patenting whatever you can patent so yeah
Stop making things up, they did this only whit palworld and it's a one time thing
@@g10viwho70 are you living on another planet or in a cave? Nintendo have patents even for the common and widely spread things such as "mounts that can fly and walk" that existed way before they did patent.
It's public information you can check on patents Nintendo do own.
@@randompasserby8435 mounts that can fly and walk? I guess they're too shy to try and sue Blizzard.
The most heartbreaking patent is WB's patent on LOTR Nemesis system...such gatekeeping on such a wonderful mechanic is outrageous
First to get sued by Nintendo for dinosaurs
@Najeeb_Gamer7788 my parents said if i get a job, I can buy my own camera 🤯
Now dinosaurs have been invented by Nintendo
Can’t believe they fucking patented a fucking T. rex….
ARK:SE is next
now theyre going to sue all the prehistoric museums in the world
Seeing this and I look at the poor nemesis system sitting in his room never allowed to go outside
I agree, I thought the story of the Shadow of Mordor/War games sucked but the gameplay was fun as hell. It sucks!
A lot of games could use that to elevate them to a higher tier of game.
When the hell does the patent on that even expire?
@@1992holycrap I think I saw someone say 2039.
@@1992holycrap2035
What is bewildering to me is how they can make this suit on a patent that was created AFTER Palworld had been out for months. I did not think that patents worked retroactively.
it was filed in Japan in December 2021, still, palword was revealed in June 2021 i think, which is still earlier than the patent
The particulars of which patents were allegedly infringed upon haven't actually been disclosed yet. As of yesterday at least even Pocketpair hadn't been informed of the specifics. So this particular patented nonsense may not actually be part of the lawsuit. It is still stupid that it made it through the patent office though.
They don't work retroactively. There's this concept called "prior art" that prevents you from filing a patent if the invention already exists. Then again, this is Japanese law we're talking about, so who knows...
@@SchemingGoldberg This is the most coherent comment in this whole thread.
But the Japanese court system is corrupt, which gives Nintendo a win rate of 90%.
In Asia, no one cares about fairness, as long as they can win by any means, whether it's Japan, Korea, or other Asian countries.
It's crazy how Palworld has already been around before the patent was made. I don't think Nintendo is winning this one.
They're so mad that their biggest franchise is at such a low point that literally any alternative is automatically superior on launch.
Pokémon hasn't been good for a decade. They're creatively, technically and now morally bankrupt.
- game mechanics didn't receive any real changes in like 20 years
- their latest game runs on 15 year old graphics
- their latest release are all remakes of old games
As a previous huge Pokémon fan, I was playing almost all of them for years from the start with Red/Blue/Yellow. Then I noticed their quality going down. Why would I keep wanting to play a series of games that gets progressively worse?
While the quality has gone down, I do have to push back at them being at a low point considering of the three highest selling Pokemon games, the second position is Sword/Shield and the third is Scar/Vi. AKA the games are selling better than ever. ScarVi sold *extremely* well on launch, in spite of its graphic and engine flaws.
@@onyxrose4349 Those games are 6 and 3 years old, respectively.
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01 Same, and it is sad how rabid Pokemon fans can get when you criticize the games because they have made it part of their identity now. Like dawg, wake up, the games have had 0 innovation for nearly 20+ years now
Don't forget everyone this is also the company that had a patent on the D-pad until 2005
As we all said back then. The reason Nintendo isn’t suing pal world over copyright is because they literally can’t. This just goes on to prove it more because they’re literally inventing things just to go to court with them.
Patents exist so that the uber rich can monopolize ideas. Patents are literally inaccessible to average or even well off humans.
Nope, this patent was filed in Japan before pal world came out
@@Ben-zg8xk Oh, I see, not inventing then, just finding the smallest excuse to try and sink the unsinkable.
Took them a good while to find this "loop hole"
The Pokemon CEO outright said that Palworld wasn't stealing anything, so Nintendo can't even sue them for that regard
@@Ben-zg8xkA patent which should not have been accepted. Seriously, who approved it?
All their patents are either vague or abstract
wanna know why? Cuz if Nintendo gets any more specific, they'll tread a ground that isn't theirs
if they said "patent to catch monsters and make them fight for you"
would be clear and set, but Digimon did it first. So Nintendo cant do that
Lol🤣
Nintendo is willing to shut down Palworld at any reputational cost. This is ridiculous. I hope they get laughed out of court.
Nintendo owns the court, sadly. I hope I'm proven wrong.
@@SussyBaka-nx4ge Nintendo would have to prove that they invented aiming in a virtual space based on player directional input. They can't.
@@Tyhar93 sadly thats not how it works over there
@@SussyBaka-nx4ge They don't own the court, not even close. Especially given, I believe, that the patent is a US one and so it'll be US courts, not Japanese courts.
Also worth keeping in mind, the court ruling only applies to the country in which the court operates. No other country has to prevent the sale of or deny the developers the right to develop and sell their game. Being a PC game and with the internet what it is, Pal World won't be going anywhere if the developers don't want it to go away.
@@Tyhar93 Nintendo doesn't have to prove anything if the judge is in their pocket.
They won't lose. This is just another attempt to win through lawfare. The "Mouse" does this often. Make a claim and have it drag out for years in lawyers until the other side goes belly up.
Except disney is going bankrupt fast. Don’t believe their fake annual reports, ubisoft fakes those too. Problem is people will just steal and pirate your product to oblivion or just not buy it. More and more people I know care less about nintendo, even diehards only care if it is a Zelda, Mario, or Metroid title. People will just ignore them too and do their own thing.
So? If it's a japanese or Us court, the ruling only applied to Japan and the US. The developers can continue to sell the game in every other country without issue and given the size of China and their tendancy to ignore any laws besides their own (as we all should), the devs and Pal World will be absolutely fine.
@@smithynoir9980 Yes and no. First, both are based in Japan and that is where the court will be. Due to agreements not only will it affect Japan but every country who has a shared agreement. So if the game is no longer allowed to be distributed in Japan, the others will have to stop as well.
I don't know enough about Japan's patent law though but, theoretically if it is similar to copyright, they could be ordered to shut down or remove the system in question to continue.
Some game systems are patentable, such as the Nemesis System, but the way this was done I think is too broad.
This instance might be different, because Palworld has both Microsoft and Sony on their side, and they're not just going to hand out their attempt on a Pokemon game
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob Now THAT could be a good thought. Those 2 helping "in the interest of gaming" as well as themselves.
In the US they could also tag along with a "amicus curiae" filling I believe. But, again this is Japan so I am way out of my element.
0:25 "Registration date August 22, 2024". This is the reason why they didn't sue before, they were literally waiting for the patent to go through..
They literally just made shit up to sue lmao copyright is so flawed patents ruin the evolution of games
Palworld was first revealed on June 5, 2021. Nintendo has no case.
@@MichaelPohoreskiand the palworld game launched (even if it’s early access) since the start of 2024 😂
This is legit lawful evil. I don't know the legality of those documents, but this is obviously done in an planned and acted-upon malicious and abusive manner. I wonder what a non-corrupt state would do to a billion dollar company which intentionally abuses the law.
I'll use the others' comments verbatim, but asmon is wrong about this tweet too.
The patent was filed in December 2021 in Japan. In the US it was filed in 2023 but they had to file a continuation of the patent in 2024 to have it accepted.
Nintendo is becoming the Disney of video games.
Always has been.
ubisoft already has that title
@@diaperamess
no they don’t
disney wouldn’t ask streamers to send them two objects that they’d then make a remote out of (ubisoft did that but made game controllers instead, that’s where RTGame’s baby in a bottle came from)
becoming? they were allways terrible when it comes to this.
Always was.
Funny how most people in Japan are on Nintendo's side, but people over here are upset with Nintendo.
Not the same laws and mentality around art and inspiration. For example mods are frowned upon in Japan
@@prophetedubaroque5136 well thats not remotely true, japan does like mods the difference is the laws, because businesses dont want people benefitting from it (by not consuming more aka spending more) or cause of "morals" if its a adult game
believe it or not everyone that enjoys something loves ways to enjoy it more
@@GGG_gaming Well it depends on the game but from what I've seen they are more cautious about mods and tend to be more critical about them. That's why I didn't say they don't like it but frowned upon. Also it is completely possible that it was just specific to the communities I know and in that case, my bad.
I think gaming patents need a leaf from the music industry; when somebody copies a full melody it's copyright and makes sense because a musician was smart enough to put that combination of tonal range, notes, pitch etc, together but what Nintendo are trying to do is the equivalent of trying to patent single notes which is ridiculous because nobody would ever be able to create music.
This is a good logically way of explaining it. They are killing the process of creativity. Imagine walking on eggshells with just GAMING MECHS. like cant do this thing because nintendo has a patent on characters equiping a magical device.
Games really are in an odd position for patents because they involve creative, artistic choices but deliver those through technical mechanics and systems, which makes it hard to fit these mechanics into a box.
Copyright is supposed to protect creative arrangements of music notes, or poses and bodily movements (a dance sequence), while patents protect technical processes and methods. But when you have something that fits the “patent” box but has artistic choice behind it, is that principled enough to draw a distinction and hold it all to not be patentable? What counts as the necessary level of creative choice needed to make technical processes not patentable, and is that prone to exploitation?
Perhaps it might be better to prevent all software patents altogether, but that’s disputed as well. If you’re interested in the conceptual disputes behind it, the Wikipedia page on “software patents” lists some of the debates-save it to say it doesn’t seem like an easy issue for the law to navigate.
Game design patents and software patents in general seem to be hotly debated by lawyers. The “software patents” Wikipedia page has a whole list of such debates.
One of the conceptual issues I can see is that creative arrangements of actions, notes, words and colours are protected by copyright, while technical processes and methods are protected by patents. But video games comprise technical processes and methods that ARE implemented by creative choice-but whether that’s a principled and logical enough distinction to distinguish all game design patents and render them invalid, or even to be capable of doing so, might be uncertain.
Save it to say it unfortunately seems like a difficult issue for the law to navigate.
Nintendo doesn’t need to win.
They just need to keep filing lawsuits for bs like that until the smaller studios run out of money.
Idk how it is in Japan, but in most places, the losing side pays all of the fees.
@@salihkizildag This and case harassment laws. You can't just keep on filing baseless cases with no grounding without legal consequences.
@@malchir4036 Outside of Japan*, you mean. I don't know how Japan's legal system works down to its intricacies, but I know it is NOTORIOUSLY corrupt.
@@MrJinglejanglejingle Of course outside of Japan, that's what the "idk how it is in Japan, but in most places" implies.
@@malchir4036 they are not baseless in the eye of the law, you have patents as described in this video.
That is enough for a legal battle for several years, at some point the smaller studio just runs out of cash to continue the lawsuit -> Nintendo (or any large corporation for that matter) wins in the end
I guess they're going to start suing sport games now. Baseball? They're throwing an item at an opponent on a virtual field so it's basically Pokémon.
that's a good point, I didn't even think of that
Capcom (another Japanese company) already tried to sue early fighting game developers because their games had projectiles that could be fired using 236+Button and lost. There's already precedent that video game assets could be patented...but game mechanics can not (the "Hadoken" itself is Capcom's, but the method that it uses is not).
Granted, that was late 80's early 90's so maybe the laws have changed since then.
This is why people should only pirate nintendo games, good gameplay doesnt excuse illegal behaviour.
Lawful evil, unfortunately. It's the worst kind of evil.
Have you played the recent pokemon videogames? Good gameplay my ass...
"good gameplay" said nobody who played a pokemon game
should ALSO* pirate nintendo games
If Pokemon had good gameplay, they wouldn't resort to this. They know Palworld got their games pasted, and it's entirely Nintendo's fault for being complacent. That's why they're trying to sue it into bankruptcy.
okay that's actually infuriating that they got such a patent after the game came out just so they could sue. this in no way should be legal.
the priority date of their patents is december 2021, not 2024. if the priority date was 2024, the application would be rejected because the invention wouldn't be novel. you can't just steal someone's elses idea and file a patent application for it, it'll be rejected for lack of novelty
if the application date was really 2024, we wouldn't even be able to see the application anyway, because patent applications are published 18 months after the earliest priority date
there's an exception here because some of the patents are based on divisional applications. for these, priority date is still the date that determines what the prior art is, and it's december 2021, which is the date of filing for the first patent application in the patent family
@@salihkizildag tbf other games use this mechanic before the 2021 date. Temtem anyone? 2020. So by that same logic it should still fail.
@@TheBradelzTemTem doesn't use the implementation that's described in the patent, the patent claim is very specific and includes more features than just capturing a monster. For example, one of the patents describes aiming in a virtual environment to release a combat monster (tamed pokemon) at the location of a field monster (wild pokemon).
This is what Palworld does, but TemTem and old Pokemon games don't do that. You don't aim in TemTem, and you don't throw an item at the aiming direction to release a combat monster. Wild encounters are entirely different from what's described and protected by the patent.
@@salihkizildag monster rancher do that, and it was released in 1996 for ps1
@@salihkizildag Document literally says APPLICATION FILED MAY 2 2024
You think drones in charge of patents are really that thorough?
Pointing and aiming an item for launch is so broad it is basically every single shooter game out there. And the capture a thing and use it to fight basically applies to every hunter like class in games.
What it really patents, if I understand correctly, is throwing summonable fighters. Still, it remains pretty broad. What happens to abilities that summon a friendly mob to a targeted location? If you throw a deployable drone? I can't believe they've been given a patent for something this generic. Are they going to lock jumping next?
arguably, shooting a gun is just throwing and item with a machine
You're right, that means no more bow or bowguns in Monster Hunter
To my understanding, it's not a patent for one or the other, but both used in conjunction.
To paraphrase: "Mode 1 captures the monster, and mode 2 summons it", which clearly refers to the pokeball system in (at least) the Legends Arceus games. Capture the mon with ball mode 1, summon the mon with ball mode 2.
This makes it just specific enough that they have a case, but regardless of it referring to this system, what a "mode" is is still vague enough that it could cause some issues somewhere else.
In the states you can't even copyright a game mechanic. Japan law has to catch up with that.
I never understood why Nintendo has this "family friendly nice guy" rep in the gaming world. They're some of the laziest, scummiest assholes in the industry. They refuse to make games people ask for, punish and threaten fans for doing the job they refuse to do, then make a 60 Mario or Zelda DLC that takes a drcade to make that critics swoon over.
because the majority of nintendo's audience are casuals who just wanna play their expensive and lazy pokemon games, they won't even know that this kind of stuff is happening, and I don't think they would care either, probably would side by Nintendo lol
@@FernandoCarlomagnodon't attack casuals like that. Just because someone isn't a hardcore gamer it doesn't mean they're unable to see how scuffed this whole company is.
People who shill for Nintendo are in denial and are actively choosing to stay ignorant. Hardcore or not.
Are they still making low res no antialiasing jaggie graphics games? Don't understand how anyone can play those
Ah yes, next we will see nintendo suing call of duty over the concept of a “grenade” since that is essentially what it is describing
This does not surprise me in the slightest.
Let's not forget that Nintendo patented the conservation of momentum on moving platforms with Tears of the Kingdom. I'm not kidding.
Newtons spinnin in his grave rn
ah yes patenting physics that makes sense
Doesnt like... Gmod do that?
@@destroyer68175 basically all games with moving platforms do this, but legally Nintendo owns the patent for it.... The whole situtation is absurd.
Literally ratchet and clank and everything else before them had that...
This is like retroactively charging someone with a crime
Nintendo really trying to rival Disney as the Copyright Gestapo.
Patent =/= copyright.
Also what they patented is pretty niche.
A little bit of misinformation here: the patent in question wasn't filed by Nintendo this year, it's not how patents work, it's a very long process that takes years.
In this case the patent was submitted December 2021, and approved by JPO only in November 2023, 2 years later, after a lot of modifications and refusals.
In 2024 Nintendo only requested a priority certificate for the patent (a proof that you have the patent or something) and was released in August 2024.
The patent is a long document (non only what you see in that image) that protect how some pokémon mechanics work in Legend Arceus, in a very specific way, and doesn't patent the
monster collect genre or the mechanic of capturing a monster like some redditors are saying…
It's still crazy what you can do with a patent for game mechanics, that should be a free process that uses mostly creativity and shouldn't be possible to put on a patent.
Why not? Why would you even want to innovate new concepts, game designs or features when everyone can just copy it afterwards and profit for free off of your work? a
@@CJP_Librawhy did you choose to be so despicable?
@@CJP_Libra 🤡
Nobody is gonna upvote this to place your comment on top because you are telling the real true lol, they just want reasons to hate Nintendo
This is really just a SLAPP suit. Nintendo never lost a law suit, they manage to always bully their opponents to settle.
I hope Japan has ANTI SLAPP laws.
Nintendo: We don't participate in the console wars! 😇
Also Nintendo: Gonna make millions of patents to monopolize game industry! 😈
Nintendo just didn't like the fact that Palworld showed everyone that a competitor can not only exist and succeed...but that they can do better.
But they didn't do anything better? Did you play pal world???? It was a cute for 10mins hurry and refund this janky early access mess game with nothing to show since
@@Mark-sd4hv I played it. It was fun, and it was nothing like one of the many many iterations of the same boring Pokemon game TPC keeps re-releasing every year.
If anything, Palword is a budget Ark with a coat of Genshin Impact visuals, and it still manages to be much more enjoyable than a dull, buggy turn-based rpg.
@@Mark-sd4hvpalworld changed the formula, something Pokémon games didn't do in like 20 years
They did nothing better because its a completely different genre, theres a difference between changing the formula and being an open world survival base builder with action based combat
@@Mark-sd4hv Negative or positive, your opinions on Palworld does not matter in this case (Mind you, I'm a massive Pokemon fan myself). Patent trolling is NEVER okay. In many ways than one.
Nintendo when they sue a paleontology museum because theres a statue vaguely resembling charizard
That’s just sad Nintendo, obsessing on protecting all of your products and content from your fans and competitors.
Why can’t you be like Sega and some of the gacha game companies then and let go all of your overprotectiveness
Nintendo fanboys are guilty for their behavior too. They keep buying every stupid console, full price games, etc.
I wish Nintendo could receive the Sony/Concord treatment. But that will never happen
@@JohnGoeagle-ob6iy people like you are the reason why Playstation is so garbage haha. Most of the Playstation games are on pc haha.
But since I'm not phonies, I'm actually glad people like you exist.🥰🥰
@@kenshinhimura6280 Of course we'll buy their consoles and games at full price, because Nintendo stands up to bullies like Pocket Pair and protects games from malicious people like you. Plus, they aren't an LGHDTV+ company like Sony. Haha.
Don’t be like Sega, they’ve shown in recent years that they don’t give two fucks about quality control. They’re no better than Ubisoft, EA, or Konami with releasing broken functionless games.
Sega C&D'd the Streets of Rage Remake devs.
This is not what Iwaata would have wanted...
Never forget, EA once successfully defended a copyright for letters with flames on them. Anything is possible.
Meanwhile Other games with catching mechanic: And I took that personally.
Nintendo: *_"We should take [THE MONEY WE'VE MADE FROM OUR GAMES] and push it [TO SUING 'Palworld']!!"_*
...Instead of, making a good Pokemon game.😂
It's hilarious, they could have instead made an exact copy of Palworld, made in the Pokemon universe, and made probably 10x more money than Palworld will ever make simply because the Pokemon brand is insanely bigger and stronger. Instead, they chose to gather a bunch of legal people and create a brand new patent.
This! Just make a better game and people will pay for and play that over the competition. It worked for Palworld, it'll work for Nintendo if they'd only put in the effort and investment. But they won't. Nintendo are ran by a bunch of mentally inept, entitled old men that couldn't define 'honesty' or 'creativity'.
It's not even Nintendo that makes Pokémon. Its Gamefreak that's responsible.
That's the thing, they can't ever make a good Pokemon game because it's owned by Gamefreak and they might as well be called Gamefuck.
They did make good games. Like Gen 1-9 Lmao
From my understanding, you can't create a patent for something that has already been done by multiple other companies before. You can only patent a fully original idea that hasn't been done before the filing of the patent. Palworld is only one of many Pokemon clones that have you throw an object to capture a monster. TemTem, Nexomon(1&2), Coromon, Dragon Quest Monsters, Siralim, Yo-kai Watch and many more have already done this. There's no way Nintendo is gonna be allowed to sue all those games. If anything, that's a fraudulent patent
Patents and copyright should be illegal. They lead to monopolies and are inherently anti consumer. Let the market decide what product they like best.
Patents make sense in design and manufacturing. Patents basically shouldn't exist in terms of games and gameplay. Copyright law and Trademark has gone insane for what people will claim, so every vehicle and computer in a film will have the manufacture's logo removed. Can't depict real life products in a video game, but you can in a book. Copyright is also a huge issue with parody works.
Copyright _does_ need guard rails, but what we have right now isn't working. The DMCA needs a *HUGE* overhaul.
We need copyright laws to prohibit theft of ideas from creators so that they get to be the only ones who can make a living off of their creation.
YOU CAN"T COPYRGHT A GAME MECHANIC!
You actually can lol fucked ofc but you can, example: nemesis system from shadow of mordor games
You can, you should learn anything about law before giving out legal advice. Either way, it doesn't matter because SMT and DQ3 did these mechanics first.
@Najeeb_Gamer7788 you're a loser bum :)
You can patent them though. Until 2015 Bandai Namco had the very exclusive rights to loading screen minigames.
@@cynicalthoughtsyeah and it got wasted and never used again
I'll never forgive the company that has the patent for showing a minigame for the player to enjoy during loading time
That is Bandai Namco.
When was that filed? I remember their being a minigame in Splatoon for the Wii U.
@@netherwarrior6113Its out of date now. But only now that load times tend to be much faster. Opportunity wasted.
They straight up tried to patent THROWING STUFF?!
They act like they can patent a mechanic that broad, the hell they gonna do, threaten to sue RDR2 for having throwing knives???
As someone with patents what's interesting to me is that patents are supposed to be very specific to what you're creating and why it's unique (non-obvious and novel) compared to everything else that exists or could exist. Being vague generally doesn't hold up well in courts. Also both companies being in Japan can actually hurt Nintendo because of their laws. I think pocketpair will be just fine. Worst case they change 1 thing about capturing pals. Such as balls to cubes or something
Yes, but Palworld isn't the only game that captures creatures in a similar form or manner. World of Warcraft does something similar with pet duels because they make a reference about that, Dragon Quest is something similar to capture monsters, Digimon i think have games about capturing digimons, Monster Rancher too, Persona/Shin Megami Tensei, and the list goes on and on.
Why on earth is Palworld the one they decided to make a patent?
@@Voldrim359
1. Dragon Quest doesn't have you capture monsters, they ask if they can join.
2.Why Palworld? Because it's a blatant rip. I mean, even the name of the capture item is straight up mocking it.
@@LordThomasPassion I would like to mention that Nintendo couldn't find anything on Palworld in terms of copyright. They have to use a patent to try and do damage to it. If nothing else, they can't do anything on that front and the game can be allowed to stand on its own merit and whatever unique features it offers. I like Nintendo (though I don't like this situation), but Palworld is a decent enough game and does not warrant being targeted in this manner.
@@LordThomasPassion The publicly traded corporation isn't gonna fuck you, bro.
@@LordThomasPassion parodies are a thing and are marketable, "blatant rip" isn't illegal