Earth Generator, Home size power plant build part 1
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- This is part one of how to build a Ground Battery bank big enough to power some of your home power needs. This is a simple system that can be scaled up to fit any size home.
I've wondered if there was enough natural acid in the soil of a pine forest to create a battery. I've always heard pine needles raise the acid level in the soil. Looks like you've proven the concept. Great job!
You need to isolate the cells from each other. they are shorting each other out with a back voltage since all the zincs have a path to all the coppers.
I love how these guys are telling you all the things you should do. Then the aholes who criticise.. this is awesome. First ive seen of this type.. your doing great. Keep it up, you'll only improve with time.
Keep in mind Nicola Testla always keeps underground aquifers of water in mind to help with charged ions in the Wardenclyffe Tower. You have some inspiring videos !!!
Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was about 180 feet above ground and about 120 feet below ground. Was it more than just a transmiter? Why so far underground? Was it a battery and a transmitter?
I've been researching this and planning to do something like this for a while. Good job! Most people don't understand that this works
HI. I liked this video and the way you explained. You gave me a nice home work to do. I appreciate it.
You are definatly onto something there and I hope the best for you. It will be awsome when you finally do get the bugs worked out. Praying for your sucess.
Keep up the good work! You're on to something here! The future beckons!
This is an awesome idea. I think your getting some kids because they are all connected by the wet earth. It's kinda like running a bunch of gadgets off one big battery. Yes they are separate cells but they are all still connected as one source due to the water in the trench. Im no expert but I've been dealing with electrical components of all kinds for years. This is just my theory.
What you are seeing is the resistance in the wire between each cell increasing with the distance of each wire between each cell, that and the primitive connections used to connect all cells is the main cause for the voltage drop/resistance. work a little more on the separation distance between the cells (cluster them in a circle and improve irrigation) and improve all connections and you will see a big difference. Good work/Idea and thanks for the upload.
One thing I don't show in the video is the equal increase in amps that took place along with the increase in voltage. The final wattage was just below what should have been there if the voltage only had increased without an increase in amps.
Can you confirm That each cell independently does produce around 0.5 Volts?
You've created a disconnect at each pole-piece (wood is a conductor, although poor), except for the fluid connection. I wonder what would happen if the iron rods were connected in series insulated from the zinc plated pole-pieces connected in series.
I like where your going with this. I see you have a galvanic action with dissimilar materials and ground combined but you can realize almost a volt with simple ground lead connection to earth and pos lead contact with nearby bush.
Hope you accomplish your goal.
Looks like fun, based on what i see there its got to be grownding out berween the cells a great deal through all that stading water, which is a conductor. after the flood dries out really well just pour pure lemon juice into the pipes. It should give instant eco friendly power.
I really love to see people experimenting and learning great video keep at it.
Try putting each cell into separate buckets of dirt then place the buckets into the ground. Right now it looks like one big cell. Love your videos Keep up the good work!
does the direction of your line of cells in relation to compass headings (i.e. north and south vs east and west) make any difference in power output?
I believe North/South is the best orientation from what I have picked up here on youtube.
hi,you must build the cell separatly like batteryes, all your cell its in short circuit, the water its electrolit and you chant double the voltage, i builted this but every cell in one cup or can,its workin very good, sorry for my english...
Would you be kind to do a video on this? How is the current?
there are some very good points being made in the comments i read here. mine is this, instead of pounding the pipes into the ground, dig a hole far enough down to set the pipes in then tap sifted dirt down around each one ensuring that you haven't compromised the wooden insulators and make better connections between anode and cathode.
Good job. Thanks for demonstrating this. I had wondered if something on this order might not work. It's clear that you are fighting contact resistance which is building up between units, but that can be remedied. Your cell is a simple battery using wet soil as an electrolyte, but might work on a large scale.
Kim O'Brien
Well now, look how he is connecting. Contact resistance is something that anyone taking electrical measurements is fighting. Someone else saw it immediately: "Solder the connections."
Just my guess, but if you used copper pipe you should get a higher reading. And spread your pipes apart, I think this would help. The other thing is, I tried this idea on my lawn and got a higher reading with just one cell, it was around .830 I forgot the exact amount but it was better in grass. I did use copper and a 1 foot long nail, I don't know if that made the differents.
It's a sound idea sir. Suggested improvements that I would account for would include: (1) separating each cell with a dielectric such as plastic or a terracotta ( baked red earth clay) to prevent unwanted grounding between your cells. (2) Every metallic conductor no matter what type will offer resistance (voltage drop) and some less than others, depending on their diameter and length. Before instalation you can account for this by testing for resistance with your meter to find out what your anticipated resistance might be along that particular piece and as mentioned in earlier posts straighter is better. My recommendation for conductance is #2awg solid tinned. You'll have to scratch away the tinning at the point of contact. (3) keep your contact points clean. This will eliminate unwanted resistance. (4) install polarity enforcers such as diodes to keep the power flow predictable and flowing in one direction. Thanks for sharing. Let me know how it works out.
Installing the diodes would filter the energy into a true sine wave?
Just a thought,.. jam a wooden spike into your cell tops to better compress your connecting rods against the inner walls of the cell, In theory, if all your cells are equally made, the slight variances in the ground composition, purity of each rod etc, could explain not doubling your voltage at each cell, but I find the voltage should be much higher than what you got. In any case. as always, extremely interesting to watch you. Please keep up these videos my good man.
Cheers and Keep Safe
Nevermind I saw your newer video with the buckets. Good videos!
1 the standing water between is your short.
2 solder all your connections, just touching is not very good and will fail completely as the the contact points of the metals corrode.
3 From what i have seen of other earth batteries you want you anode and cathode several feet apart rather than an inch. I was thinking, if you put more space between the pipes and wire it differently you might get the result your looking for.
I watched the whole vid for you woodgas/oil still, that kicks butt! Keep tinkering, I think you have the creativity to get it done. : )
yes, exactly. That has been my results too when making cells. Each cell has to be isolated from the others. I too, have had your idea of trying to harness the earth as a battery in a similar manner, on a large scale like that. I have also heard of concrete batteries, and thought about a way to make a battery out of the side of a building, or integrated as part of the bldg. Sun will also activate batteries like that. So much of this is the availability and/or price of materials used.
that was great. try screwing a lag bolts to tighten the wire to the pipe
I have a diverse background in Engineering both Electrical/Mechanical as well as Chemical. Your theory is spot on and needs tweaking. Thanks for the post it is giving me some thought on this to try, but If I may, I did some calcs on your cell results and yes I agree bad connections are bringing your proposed volt/amp results down regretfully, butt also a normal acid battery which soils can be PH high or PH low preferably PH low you want (Acidic Soils) for best results. Anyway, the the every day 12 volt car battery cells are multiple Anode/Cathode in one set. So why not quadruple each 4 Zinc 4 Iron and use a milk container piece to isolate each pipe, the couple with a shorter run of copper rod for less loss. I'd bet multi-stranded cord copper wire insulated would work better. The other additional test would be to coil copper around each quad made cell thus maybe creating a natural EMF field induction into your equation increasing volt/amps. Worth a try?
Oh and i forgot to mention the use of the extension cord to mesure with i would try some speaker wire or somthing the same diameter as the cable on your meter your probably loosing some there too thanks again for the video im gonna try this myself saw it done with an ice tray on a small scale and it lit a single led light your on the right track im sure good luck
Might want to try driving a wood peg in the pipe to make a tighter connection concerning the copper wire touching the hollow pipes. Neat experiment with lots of potential. Thanks.
Does using tuleric(spelling not strong suite bnplz)
Does drawing any electrical current take away from the natural bio electric fields from the local FLORA?
How has electricity affected plants around it? More growth? Less growth?
What plant variations would thrive under different voltages and amplitudes?
Does frequency differentials affect plant growth?
Can sound promote growth? Hinder growth? Can it cause illness to the soil?To the surrounding plant/animal life?
ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR CHANEL
HUGE FAN OF YOUR EFFORTS.
Maybe try 2 rods as you said, bridged but put them inside a plastic bucket or barrel. They are shorting to ground connected by natural salts conductives in the soil from cell to cell. Anyway Each cell has to be inside an insulator well done good fun love to see your practical experiments.
The material is not perfect for conducting and you lose too much energy in the process, try to drill holes for screws and use insulated wires for your bridge. I think.
Resistance of the wire between each cell is the reason you voltage stopped increasing. Have your cells closer together and find a gauge of wire with the lowest resistance.
Voltage drop likely due to connections; try a hard connection; file the metals down to a shine; drill hole for a sheet metal screw and connect a copper wire; seal connection w/ some weather proof caulk, hydrophobic tar, or similar. & yes, you can get voltage, but amperage is key to useable current. I experimented with copper/zinc cells; they yielded only about 5 milliamps each, meaning it would take 20 for 1 amp, or about 100 for 5 amps- do-able, but requiring a lotta expensive copper & zinc..
How long does it take for the PH difference to erode the copper and zinc? Is hydrogen gas being produce by the electron transfer?
Good Video Thanks.
Thanks for the vid it makes me think about possibilities could that trench of water be acting to short the battery?
perhaps individual cells need to be wetted seperately
I dig your groove mr tess. I would like to see real magnet and electric magnet wheel experiment would two opposed mags make enough energy to power eletromagnet as to shut down and power back on for over unity
I really like your earth generator setup.
I did feel like the wood you used to keep the pipes from touching was entirely negated by the standing water creating great conductivity.
I wonder if the current leakage was less as the water dried up a bit and left you with moist soil as only conductor. What was the total voltage the next day ?
the problem is low voltage per cell is being lost via the long copper wire which has low resistance. Can't tell what gauge wire but for example 12 gauge copper is 0.001588 ohms per foot and you must have 25 feet there. try moving the cells much closer together also you might try splitting or flattening the pipe into plates for more surface area.. Great idea to use septic drain field , check the ph and make sure your as acidic as possible. I really like what your upto. keep up the great work
Connections extremely important and have seen better reactions with different material yours much larger scale I have seen 1 to 1.5 volts very interesting idea
would making the rods longer and driving them deeper into the ground , give you better voltage? I'm only asking , not criticizing .. Plus could you use baking soda as your electrolyte ?
Definitely want to try this with loamy soil rather than the dust you have Teslonian. How is your septic discharge treated? Are you outputting grey water or do you have a treatment plant on it?
Question, what would happen if you used a zinc plated tube with copper through the middle? Would it help isolate the cells? Small scale like a dryer vent, large scale like a colvert? Would you be able to use a smaller area?
Have you factored in the resistance of your extension cord test lead. I agree that it does not answer your per cell increase value because you are using the same length for all tests. However it does introduce a resistance that should factor into your calculations. Also what type of cross talk might be introduced? Nice work overall. Just a thought what about a circular installation? It would afford the use of shorter bridge circuits as well as increase the intensity of Schumann feedback in the 2.7 Hz range. Just a thought.
might want to check the ohms law issue here. 20meg input resistance on the meter, less than half an ohm on the extension cord. Not much loss there.
You could try putting them closer together, and using clamps to make sure the connecting wires have a better connection. Did you also try the added steal nodes? I really think you cells are too far apart and the resistance in the connecting wires may be too great because of the size. Just a couple of thoughts.
Good day!
I would like to ask a expert opinion regarding with eartb batteries. As you have used tap water to moisture the soil, may I ask if type of fluid used as moisturizer to the soil (tap water, distilled water, salt water, etc) have an effect to the voltage produced by earth batteries. Also I would like to ask the principle/science behind this.
Thank you in advance for sharing your expertise on this topic. Hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards.
Will you have difference if you insert cells into ground in a way all positive and negative sides are aligned? In other words they look parallel visually but still connect them in series electrically. I think the effect would be noticeable already with 2 cells if it helps.
Might also want to think about the way you have them connected, a minimal point of contact will cause resistance, and impede your power from cell-to-cell. You may want to try using stranded copper wire and the wing-nut style pipe clamps, that would make a significant difference.
resistance may be what is restricting the double voltage you were hoping for... make the copper connector thinner and try to make your cells uniform and it should be ok. but this is great... also try a parallel stacking generator.
Interesting. This fascinated since learned they used to power telegraphs using it.
I have some vinyl material from a shower build, which may work in place of your wood dielectric. It would never rot and it's less than 1/8". Rather than a strip between, material, you might wrap bands around the ends and middle. Of course, you could not pound the rods in or you risk losing the separating bands.
I, perhaps erroneously, presume plate area is critical to this, since life playing with electricity is about more than just voltage. As such, I have to wonder what effect it would have if you pounded your pipes flat, or even spit them and spread them.
Back to the resistance, it would seem a good idea to measure resistance from each pipe to which the bridge is connected to the pipe at the other end to insure you're not dropping your gains in the connections.
I have to wonder if you have too much water. It could be shorting the system.
To monitor things, it appears you need a dedicated volt meter, if not one on each cell, which you could obtain out of an old junker from a junk yard. Some of them could be modified by changing the dropping resistor on the back for a more sensitive reading.
Oh, and when I learned, in basic electronics, about resistance/ohms, bigger was better for reducing loss, or we would be putting smaller wires in houses, rather than larger ones.
if you completely bury your metals with only a wire coming out of the ground it doubles your voltage. any of it exposed reduces it for some reason.
How are they set up under ground ?
He went from cell to buried with pipes out of ground.
You could soak the wood planks in saturated salt solution to make them "closer together" This is viable for lighting using a joule theif and led lighting. You can also use long lengths of wire twisted up and painted black. Lay it out in the sun and it will make small voltage from the seabeck effect from the heat and doubles as an antenna to pick up RF that can be converted to dc.
... so you made a double A battery-
pretty cool- It'd be awesome to see it scaled up with multiple rows side by side like a farm- I'm curious how long these will put out that kind of voltage (1.5)
The reason the voltage only shows slight increases is because effectively through the ground each cell is shorting between others nearby. In a standard battery each cell is isolated so you wont get the same effect thus the power increases and you have 12v or whatever the battery output is made to be. You could try and use some plant pots and fill them with soil and stick some rods in each. Screw the connections in to each one for a good contact or crush the tube end to pinch tight. Copper and Steel should also be effective. Lemon juice is cheap too so the Acidity of the soil could be tweaked. The other way is Lime powder will make it Alkaline if you prefer. Just my thoughts after watching this.
we need more people like you ! keep up the great work ! love your vids
I think I understand. You might try a scale model with a few sets using say copper house wire and nails and salt water. I think you will find that if you put 1 set (copper & nail) in individual glasses of saline and connect them, you will get very different (higher) voltage than if you put them all of the sets in the same glass, connect and measure.
you've prolly already got this advice: but plates, would be better than tubes for your anode/cathode setup... also, something like glass, or stone might somehow work better as an insulator better between the anode and cathode... finally, some kind of soldered connections, as I saw in another comment would be best.
Some years ago, a friend was working in the Bahamas installing two counterpoise systems. When making the connection between the two, he encountered arcing or sparking. When checking the voltage, he found that the potential was around 50v. After connecting the two, he used a clipon ammeter to see what currents were there. To his surprise he measured around 22 amps as I recall. These were two rectangular systems with copper clad rods approximately 12 feet into the ground connected with a thermoweld process, penetrating into ground water which of course was salty. Interesting...
All resistance in a series circuit is equal to the sum of their individual resistances...when working with such small voltages your copper is runs are actually adding resistance and is accumulative (Rtotal = R1+R2+R3) I don't think that is the complete problem, but I would try a parallel or complex circuit with both types mixed in an array. Also here is something else to think about...electricity always takes the path of least resistance...what has less resistance, the water or the copper? Just my two cents worth of free advice. Thanks for the video and keep at it. :)
Pretty cool. I wonder if the acidity of the soil is having some effect on the voltage.
Great experiment, thanks for sharing.
Good stuff. Do you have a predicted value for the amount of current, at a stated voltage, that you expected to produce? The combination of voltage/current tells you a good deal about the usefulness of the setup.
Use that copper pipe you used to bridge all your cells and some galvanized steel as your anode and cathode, you will get around 1.5 - 3v per cell. And as Alan Brown said below, that wood will rot. Infact you dont need anything in between your anode and cathode. Simply place them 5cm apart from eachother. Also if you use copper and gal you wont need to water your cells. For good natural electrolyte i would recommend activated carbon. Its a bit expensive tho. Maybe some one has any thoughts on using wood ash instead?
Alex is right on point with that. I'd like to add that using copper or non coated aluminum with the steel pipe will make a huge difference as well. Wood ash can make a good rudimentary electrolyte but can cause an accelerated galvanic action to take place. try tilling the ash into the soil, or use lime. I know... we want the galvanic action, but too much will cause you have to change out your cells much too frequently.
Activated carbon? You mean charcoal?
Isn't this just using corrosion as an energy source? And wouldn't steady state power output be in micro-watts?
Interesting concept. Not practical on a large scale, but very interesting!
This is easy. In a battery each cell is isolated and insulated from the others so the potential for each cell is added to the next. However in your setup you have grounded them all together so as you add each cell together you are receiving a diminished return do to the fact that the ground conducts electricity. You might try putting each cell into a plastic bucket isolating each cell from the next, but I agree with an earlier comment as soon as you add loud your potential will vanish.
very good try. but you can also check the voltage without removing the connection between the earth cell . and it's a good start getting some DC voltage
Have you tried running parallel instead of in series? While experimenting with various hydrogen cells i found that the amp draw was limited to that of the weakest link while in series but if run individually outside of the water(no electrolytes) then i could mix and match for the best overall output. it could be a similar issue here for you
Is there a relationship between the voltage increase of the cells and the distances between the individual cells .... that might be worth a look?
I have a 40 acre flat field not good for farming because the ground is saturated with natural alkali. Would it be good for electricity because it’s alkali?
I think you disrupt the voltage build by series connecting them. They are grounding into the next and trying to rebuild charge. Try not connecting them to each other. I think you will see better results.
Would one battery be enough to power a couple of LEDs?
I found what works for me was to use a zinc pipe and a copper tube. Then use magnetic wire to wrap around each pipe starting at the bottom burn about 5" of magnetic wire coating off then wrap it around the pipe and superglue it in place and then continue to wrap it up the entire pipe, make sure to keep the wire tight. Once at the top leave yourself a good amount of magnetic wire to connect to other ground batteries and then superglue or use a spray adhesive to keep the magnet wire in place on the pipes. You have to due this for both zinc and copper pipes. For spacing I'd use a electrical tape or rubber to get at very close fit to keep every together use zip ties.
one thing that will help is if you take some sandpaper and clean ALL the connections. weld or solder the connections will probably guarantee the absolute best connections. Also you may try this where there is grass growing in the ground. Also you may try to increase the surface of your anode and cathode by using flat plates instead of small pipes.
Wonder if using jumper cables stripped apart. Might be helpful with the clamps on the ends. Fully understand using what you have around though. Already having the copper lengths.
Hi,
You are probably loosing the voltage because as you go measuring, you have all the électrodes in the same bath of electrolyte (here, earth and water). If you use buckets, you will isolate your batteries and should the normal addition of voltage. You have electrical losses through earth and water from one electrode to the other. That is why you get less and less voltage.
Exactly. All electrodes of both kinds are shorted to each other. No cell barriers
also ur wire is awfully thick lots of resistance an surface space to carry such a small amount
barefootization wrong. thick wire has less resistance, you have it backwards.
why u being snippy chris??
chris keiley
You refer to the skin effect aka electron flow along the surface of the wire?, So would copper pipe/tube with the combined surface area of the inside and outside be a worth while option?
Thelmssn, I was thinking the same thing regarding the short circuiting from the standing water. Until you mentioned it, I didn't make the correlation between the diminishing returns and the water. As also mentioned, I suspect a more solid electrical connection would be helpful. I believe the large spacing of the cells is also a factor. My thinking is that it would be best to maximize the electrolytic effect from the soil, but also minimizing cable loss from the interconnections.
have you tried to wrap the smaller pipe in paper and place it in the center of the other pipe
I have an old well..what if i drive a copper pipe or rod down next to it. Wonder what i would get out of it and it's kinda swampy out here with a high water table.
Would it possibly generate more power if it was dug down in a stream? Maybe one could have more space between the pole sections then?
Interesting....Thanks for sharing your work.
I've always thought about using the earth itself to generate power for home but how much power can this feasibly produce in kilowatts?
this is a interesting concept I wish I would understand how it actually works. You sure the current is not coming from space?(I saw on tv they were wiring some field with wires and the vibrations of the noise from space was causing them to generate electricity) and can you provide some schematics on this because i am having trouble understanding the concept.
Be curious how many amps you're getting. Also if you measure each cell independently are they equivalent in volts/amps?
Benjamin Scherrey What your looking for is available power, right?
I would expect it to be pretty low, as the resistance if the soil is naturally fairly high. I'm also concerned about what he calls "zinc pipe"... I think he's using zinc coated or galvanized pipe. That zinc will oxidize quickly, too, as the current drawn will hasten that problem. Same with the iron.
I expect the reason he's not getting the doubling of voltage when he doubles the number of cells is that the series resistance of the soil increases with the distance between cells. The loading effect of his meter, although very low, is enough to pull his voltage down. He would do better with the old grade school science experiment using a dime and a penny with a sheet of salt-water-moistened paper betwixt them.
This is awesome Feel likes playing Minecraft in real life. Discovering what different elements can make by experimentation. Maybe you're loosing voltage from the inefficiency of the wire connecting the elements, which i would expect to be normal unless you use Gold wire. keep up the good work. This looks fun
It really looks like you've created some capacitors which are self-charging possibly due to the wind blowing past the connecting rods. You might want to try using an old TV CRT and a big copper coil. You'll probably get a better result.
Ok here a thought on the problem with your losses on the battery, but I want to start with a of question: Why are the terminals spaced so far from each other in between the batteries? Here is why I ask direct current creates a tremendous amount of resistance with the length of the wires which is why Nicola Tesla won the battle with Edison as far as power generator go for powering cities at long distances. hope this helps. Loved the video keep experimenting!
I believe you have to concentrate on your connections. That may be where your voltage losses are. The rust on the iton pipes need to be filed shiny for better contact points, or try galvanized pipe instead. Good luck.
Very interesting! I look forward to the updates.
the better the soil the better the output. i cant remember where i seen it but scientists had collected dirt from around the planet and mixed it together and it gave a significant amount of power. i guess it would have to be the amount of mineral that was in the soil to make it that much more effective
Would composting in the ditch help? It would enrich the soil with a constant source minerals. Minerals that would eventually wash away. I realize you probably located the array neat your septic for just that reason, however the earth will disburse the water refusing the desired effect.
I'm baffled. Extremely fascinating!
You are gaining resistance with each copper section you use......try laying one long zink pipe and one long iron pipe horizontally about a foot deep.....bent the pipe 90 degrees to make about a 15" L .....this should give you better results.
I suggest measuring each cell independently and if they are all about 0.5v (I suspect they will be) then, if your connections are good (I really don't think they are) then they should be additive. Further testing along these lines should be done.
Just a thought sir... and it could not even be related but currents in the earth tend to favor north to south along with the magnetic field from my knowledge atleast so if your cells are east to west then that may shoot some provlems in your face... if your electrodes are shorting out as well wrap one in paper along with you stick. Then use a post hole shovel thing for diggin hole for thing like 4x4 posts and whatnot.
have you tried to bury a mass like old truck radiator from witch electrons drawn from copper rember its runig backward .
As other folks has pointed out, you'd basically need to isolate the soils between each cell to get the linear scale up of the voltage. Currently, it's similar to placing a few bars of metals in the same water bucket. You'd need different water buckets per cell.
Wired in series, so now wire them in parallel. See Foote's comment. Good Job, hope you figure it out and share it with us.
I see a couple of things that might be affecting your project adversely. 1, the length of wire you are using is creating substantial resistance. and 2: the cells are not electrically isolated from each other. (is that why they are so far apart?) For instance, the liquid in a lead acid battery are in separate vessels that is why each cell has to be filled independently of each other. This may be a clue to some of the challenges you are facing. You might also consider using a synthetic cloth as an insulator instead of wood.