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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- SS United States overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from all corners of the nation and beyond, the Conservancy stated. The cost to relocate the SS United States and U.S. District ruling ended a years-old rent dispute between the conservancy and its landlord, Penn Warehousing. It stemmed from an August 2021 decision by Penn Warehousing to double the ship’s daily dockage to $1,700, an increase the conservancy refused to accept.
When the conservancy continued to pay its previous rate, set in 2011, Penn Warehousing terminated the lease in March 2022. After much legal wrangling, Brody held a bench trial in January but also encouraged the two sides to reach a settlement instead of leaving it up to her.
She ultimately ruled that the conservancy’s failure to pay the new rate did not amount to a contract breach or entitle Penn Warehousing to damages. However, she found that under Pennsylvania contract law, the berthing agreement is terminable at will with reasonable notice.
The Conservancy has been is in litigation on the matter, since early December (2023)
SS United States is a retired ocean liner built in 1950-51 for the United States Lines. The ship is the largest ocean liner constructed entirely in the United States and the fastest ocean liner to cross the Atlantic in either direction, retaining the Blue Riband for the highest average speed since her maiden voyage in 1952 and still holds title today. She was designed by American Naval Architect William Francis Gibbs.
The SS United States last journey was in 1969. The fast-growing air transportation industry made cross-Atlantic commercials unprofitable. In the early 1990s, the ship was sent to Turkey to have its entire interior walls stripped to its bare bones. Then in 1996, the ship arrived in Philadelphia to be a riverfront Casino / Hotel, but that plan failed.
If you would like to make a donation to help save the ship, go to www.savetheuni... to make a donation.
The SS United States Conservatory bought the ship. The owner of the group is the Great-Granddaughter of William Gibbs, the creator of this ship. They have been actively trying to find an owner to restore the ship. Many people are interested, just nothing has been finalized. Donations are keeping this ship afloat.
Jaime Exploring
The Conservancy has connected with regional port authorities up and down the eastern seaboard, as well Government officials to engage them in this fight to save the nation’s flagship.
Yes bug they haven’t connected with someone that’s willing to spend millions moving her! That’s not talking the close to a billion in today’s dollars to bring her to code to be used as anything. Anyone spending that kind of money will need to dry dock her and get the hull cleaned and all the steel plates inspected. Under water surveying shows nothing. Don’t try to say it’s aluminum because only the superstructure is aluminum.
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She be better off in a red state like Florida or any southern state.
What about Texas
@@JaimeExploring it’s not the nations flagship
The Conservancy really should look into getting the ship designated as a historical landmark and get federal funding to at least paint the ship and do basic maintenance. Nobody is going to want that rusting hulk of a ship in their ports I'm afraid, and the costs to restore the ship without federal funding are not realistic. Federal funding/historical landmark designation are it's only hope.
She already is registered as one
@@velezdragon3574 Then somebody is failing miserably at their job considering it looks like hell and is being evicted.
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@@velezdragon3574 @RandallClark She is on the National Registry of Historic Places... NOT a Historical Landmark! There is a big difference between the two. Unfortunately, this status does not offer very much in protection or funding/grants.
@@theblueriband Thank you for clarification! I'm assuming there must be a reason they are not seeking federal historical landmark status? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
I was born and raised on Staten Island, New York. I crossed NY harbor on the Staten Island ferry and observed the United States entering or leaving the harbor so many times, including passing along side this beautiful liner. This is indeed a beautiful ship and deserves to be restored and displayed for all to see. I believe it is only fitting that she be displayed in the city she served so well, New York. There must be some place there that she can call home. Ed C
That is Awesome!
Ok guys who is going to to fork out close to a billion dollars to restore it . Second to move it to NYC is way more than 500k.
@@lindacolaprete7324 ok you get NYC to put up a billion dollars plus the millions to move her there then we’ll see
I’m glad I tried to help by donating 20 dollars
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I REALLY hope that this ship can be saved
They Saved the Big Boy Train, will see what happens
So do I, she deserves to become a floating hotel like they had originally planned when they first docked her in Philly. Cause I mean seriously, why was that idea rejected back in that time anyhow?
Finding a permanent home berth is NOT what they need at this juncture... because of the time constraints, they MUST find a temporary berth so that the ship does not incur a $60K/mo docking fee, plus whatever other fees/fines they will have to pay due to the breach of the court order. I think that their best bet is to work out some arrangement with North Atlantic Ship Repair (formerly the Philadelphia Naval Yard) for a temporary berth until a permanent home can be found. There are numerous locations that appear to be unused and large enough to moor her. Good report Jaime! 🙂
Thank You! Stephen for sharing the Insights regarding locations
@@theblueriband they couldn’t raise the 500K to move it to another pier in Philadelphia. The reef deal the company will move it and give a million for the ship
Philadelphia naval yards a good idea. If they could line up the timing right the operation to move the JFK to Brownsville could overlap so once the super carriers guided out into the Atlantic and one ocean going tug takes over the squad of smaller tugs could head back up the river and bring the United States down to the navy yard and into the JFKs vacated berth. The liners not deteroriating at any great speed, if they can find somewhere rent free to leave her and she survives this whole saga her longterm chances may start to increase simply by the passage of time and that she continues to exist.
Thank You Michael for this Insight
While this is a good idea the shipyard most likely would not agree unless the association can verify that they can move the ship again when the berth is needed again for a navel ship. As usual this problem comes down to money. Until meaningful fund raising can be done to both pay for docking and repairs such as repainting to make the ship look presentable again it will be hard to get support to save the ship. I am a railroad fan and we have the same problem in saving many old railroad engines and cars. Many pieces of historical train items have been lost due to not finding a good place to store and exhibit them. Our best example of saving such a big engine was the Union Pacific Big Boy steam engine. While there are several of these engines saved as static exhibits, the Union Pacific Railroad chose to save one and keep it operational as a goodwill public relations item for them. Maybe the association should try and get a major cruise ship company to fund at least cosmetic repairs to the United States ship and promote cruising by showing the great history of cross ocean travel. Of course that means the ship would have to be docked in a major city where it would be accessible for public tours so the company that paid for the repairs could benefit from the publicity to promote their cruises.
I still have my hopes for the ship to become a floating hotel and museum like the Queen Mary at long beach. She's America's flagship. Nobody can't say she doesn't deserve it.
If they can recreate the interior somehow, she could be just as iconic as the Queen Mary is. However, some areas of the Queen Mary (like some of the hotel/staterooms) are no longer original, and have been modernized because of the lack of parts and materials.
Thank You for sharing
Hoping for the Best!
I still say dock it at pier 76 in Manhattan and make it a hotel 🏨.
it would be a tragic loss, but seems no one has any pride or honor in anything anymore, many take pride at the freedom they think they have to do their level best to bring our contry down or make it socialist, where they speak by fiat and its law, not by debate or making their case I hope they can save it I really do but the chances working against it and no one to champion it yet.
3 possible fates of SSUS
1. Rot in dock and falls apart
2. Scrapped
3. Scuttled
Wow! 3 Fates!
It’s already at the first on your list. And no matter what they suggest about the hull being sound the only way to know is dry docking it and cleaning thd hull.
Nostalgia alone isn't enough. What is the actual value of the SS United States now and what would it be if she was completely restored? Is there even a remote possibility that she could ever earn more than her cost? I'm not talking about pie-in-the-sky wishes here, but about total logic.
Would it be on the same level as the Queen Mary? As we know, the other Issue is that's it's completely gutted from it's Insides. Will see come September, Thank You for sharing
In a developed coastal city, it adds 550000 square ft of space without using up any land while bringing a large and significant landmark to the city. It could absolutely make money if used wisely.
It was a beautiful ship. The reality is, the conservancy bought it in 2011 - and in the 13 years since has not gotten together a concrete plan forward with any legs. The claim is they have plans, but at this point that's what they are - lots of drawings, but no backing to come close to making it a reality. Right now it's begging for scraps just to pay the current maintenance costs. If nobody is stepping up to fund actually doing what they are proposing, it can't last in the current state forever.
They got into a fight over dockage fees of $1700 per day. A laid up ship of her size (not actively doing cargo operations or just idle between operations) would be charged $3,081.07 a day per day in a Port of Philadelphia berth vs the private on they are in now. They basically couldn't raise a reasonable dockage fee, nor money to own their own dock etc....
There is no general will, and without it there is just no way.
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I would hate to see her scrapped. How about turning her into an underwater reef which would be a gift that keeps on giving! She can be dove for the next century and provide a habitat for sea life!
@@m.jeanlorsbach6464 It may happen
As I also stated on their site, as they sailed past the United States, on their way back from dry dock, they need to pair the ship up with the battleship, New Jersey at Camden. The fastest battleship, and the fastest ocean liner! What a pair!
@@EMJ31 Yes!
My vision!
@@EMJ31 can’t happen with the money they have
The SS Rust Bucket looks like a ship from a horror movie.
Surprise that haven't used it for any such thing
hi from england, Trump is the only one with money to help out,there is too many that might help or we will see attitude. i think its far to gone to be saved
Hello! England Thank You for sharing
I will be very surprised if they will be able to raise the amount of money needed for the move. They have such a short time frame.
September Deadline will be here soon!
@@JaimeExploring Iam sure Susan Gibbs. Will be turning on the water works with her tearful pleas for donations to her lost cause. Sadly many of her supporters will fall for it. And throw their hard earned money at her. To do with as she pleases.
@@kitt2000car The money wasted trying to save that rust bucket could have gone to help so many other worthy charites instead !
@@michaelmcenery7515 But then Susan would not be able to collect the 75 grand per year salary she was giving herself. According to one of the local Philly newspapers. Which made it public some years ago.
If the government of this country have been doing the job they were supposed to, we wouldn't be trillions in debt - we wouldn't be funding farcical military interventions in other countries, but it would be pursuing antitrust penalties towards corporations that have simply gotten too large and monopolistic. Let the billionaires who have made their money less than honestly pay for the restoration of this old rusty derelict tub, and leave the rest out of it. Some of us are still barely getting by, 4 years after the last global plandemic.
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@@QuadMochaMatti good luck with that! You can’t force billionaires to waste there money on it
why not the Great Lakes?
Yes Maybe!
I don’t think I’d fit.
@@grimtoons6695 cost to move her
@@tgland02494 wdym cost all they need are tug boats
Say its sister ship is a wreak waiting for Mother Nature to claim it. When it was in good shape no one called to save it. So why now? I really hope you guys with the heart to save it can raise a billion dollars when the conservancy can’t raise 500k. If they were really serious why aren’t they hitting every network to advertise for donations 😅
Exactly the Network, September will be here soon!
SS United States Good will hospital ship. US flagship ambassador serving impoverished nations as crises arise. Under the department of US Navy. Similar to the Navy Mercy ship.
That would be Great! Thank You for sharing
Ok try 2 billion dollars to rebuild it. You would be better off building a hospital ship from scratch
@@tgland02494 That is what the Navy determined when they looked into converting it into a hospital ship 40+ years ago.
@@trevorn9381 yeah it’s amazing how many dreamers there are in here. Gives hope for the future, I hate being the one to bring in reality. 20 dollar donations isn’t going to get it done. They need several million dollar donations. The 500k will only help if a pier near by will take the ship. Converting it well no one is stepping up for good reason. Companies looked at it then the cost and backed out. I love the idea,”let the tax payers flip the bill”, that’s what it means when they say get the government to do it. Aren’t we far enough in debt and isn’t inflation high enough? Even the government 40+ years ago said no. How about a coral reef called the SS United States Reef? Then divers and wild life can enjoy it.
@@atomc40 it’s not a flagship now or ever! Do you see the designation USS in front of her name? NO that’s reserved for Navy ships
Make it into a hotel, I would stay there.
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They should tow that ship to the west coast and put it near the Queen Mary. Both ships together would create quite an attraction as there’s already a robust cruise ship passenger terminal nearby. The Queen Mary Big U Ocean Liner Museum Row, Long Beach CA!!
Other's have suggested that too! That would be Amazing to see! Thank You for sharing
@@JaimeExploringTow via the Panama Canal? Is this a joke?
After all those years of sitting around< I doubt it's even seaworthy enough to make it.
@@edgein3299 very true regarding being Seaworthy
Ok money bags you donate 10 million to get it there. Maybe even more! The QM went there under her own power. That’s not happening in this case
Put it in Chicago, good spot. Would be like the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
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@@JaimeExploring np my guy
Cant't. Too big to fit in the locks of the St Lawrence Seaway.
Florida!!!
Maybe!
Newport News, VA is the ship's actual birthplace and she really should be there. Heck, even Gibbs and Cox (the company which built her) is also still around and builds ships for the US Navy there as well. Florida has a harsh climate for an older ship like this and will beat her up just as much as Philly did, just look at what happened to the original Queen Elizabeth when she was there for a few years before being resold and sadly becoming BBQ.
@@jdslyman1720 The firm of Gibbs and Cox were the designers of the ship. She was built by Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co. I think it needs to be stressed that William Francis Gibbs and his brother merely headed up the company. They were smart enough to hire better educated and more talented people than they themselves, and it was THOSE EMPLOYEES, and not Gibbs, who actually designed the ship.
According to various biographies Gibbs was an autocratic, foul-mouthed tyrant, to some degree a misogynist, dismissive and intolerant of any opinion other than his own. So nasty in fact that one of his step-sons refused to attend his funeral.
Susan Gibbs is a nice person. I've met her. She believes in the cause of preserving the ship, although why she so idolizes that curmudgeon of a grandfather is beyond me . But after fifty years of trying, of getting no real, concrete plans in place, it's time to put the begging bowl away and face reality.
I think it's safe to say that The City of Long Beach wishes they'd never taken on the Queen Mary. That whole fiasco lost nearly $32 million before COVID closed down the ship as a tourist attraction. Since re-opening there has been a reported turn-around and some profits. BUT those profits are nothing when compared to the amounts need for upkeep and repairs that are needed, and have been deferred.
I have a friend, a yachtsman, who says "boats are holes in the water into which you throw money." Derelict and obsolete ocean liners are just larger holes in the the water, demanding more and more money.
Give the ship to the creditors, let them either scrap her scuttle her and let the ship become an artificial reef for divers and marine life. But please people, take off the rose-tinted glasses, and stop throwing your hard-earned money into this nautical abyss that the SS United States has become.
it'll never again be the pretty young lady it once was, its been completely gutted unlike queen mary so even if it were restored it would not be the real thing
Good point, it wouldn't be the same
once i saw someone said they should just scrap the ship
NAHHHHH we parying for the ship. i REALLY hope they can find a new port. i think the Navy one would be cool :D
Maybe! September Is coming Soon!
He sounds like the narrator on Batman.
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Send the Ss United States to Orlando they got room to park it.
Some have suggested this Yet maybe weather could be a factor, Thank You for sharing
Ok are you raising the few million to move it? You all think it’s no big deal to move that ship. It has no propulsion of its own no steering. Do you have to hire expensive tugs to move it. 30-50k an hour per tug
Good work people love her ❤.😂 Thanks again to save her.
Hello Tony, hopefully things will work out
You either need an Elon Musk to take interest or the Fed gov.
Will See! Soon
We have space for the United States in the Tampa dockyard as well as equipment to rebuild the ship to its original design
Sounds Good 👍
Again who is covering the bill? 500K won’t move it farther than another pier where it’s at. 30-50 K per hour per tug to move it. It’s that high because it has no propulsion of its own. So you’re going to need 3-4 tugs. If you’re going out into open water the price goes up. If it storms during the move the price goes up. You better donate a few million dollars to move it to any place far from where it sits.
yea and whos going to pay for it?
I WAS JUST THINKING HOW COOL THAT WOULD BE TO MOVE IT TO SOUTH BEACH FLORIDA. RESTORE IT AND ENJOY IT. IN THE ART DECO DISTRICT!!!!
That would be Cool! 😎
Stay in Philadelphia
Will See!
For 500K it’s not leaving Philly.
at this point an artificial reef is the logical option.
I agree 100% let her give new life back to the ocean rather than be scrapped!
Will see come September
put her in New York City
The Vote Is In ! 😃
Praying it doesn’t get swamped by vandals in the first day.
@@Arandomperson867 hope not !
God willing it will be florida.
With our hurricanes it would probably get ripped apart
Agree
What about that Weather
@@JaimeExploring two trips in the 60s had it battling gale force winds and 60 foot waves according to the log book, listing as far as 45 degrees, but it kept going
@@subadanus6310 Wow!
One location could be the New Jersey battleship. It’s not that far away, and there’s enough room for her to fit. Camden is where it’s at, and if you look, you can the United States from the New Jersey. Also, imagine a museum of both. One of a kind. Might also give United States another record. Biggest ship museum by volume! New Jersey or bust!
Thank You for sharing the Insight, New Jersey Battleship could be Good!
It will never be a museum. It’s a gutted shell. The 10s of millions of if not a billion dollars it would take for it to meet codes as a hotel or anything. It would be a money pit. Just painting it is 10s of millions. Plus 10 plus million just to dry dock clean and inspect. Anything to do with ships is high dollars
Just move her to Florida. Making her a dive site is discrimination to small children and people with disabilities whe can't dive. Better to move her to a red state.
Will see what happens, Thanks for sharing
Gotta get her up in Bayonne or JC in liberty state Park where the Big J should have been moored. Some of her passengers were processed on Ellis Island. (Post 1924 not many stepped foot on the island unless detained). No other location could he as meaningful.
Thank You! That's Great Insight, Liberty Park!
Portsmouth, New Hampshire Navy Yard , for nothing ever comes north of Boston.
Thank You for sharing
A GREAT VENUE FOR PARTIES AND SPECIAL EVENTS.
That would be GREAT 👍
I have a good place where they can park it!
Right up Trump's back side!
Open up orange man!
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TheBirdFlu666, Actually Dementia Joe Bidum is in worse condition than the Great SS United States, you stupid idiot
TOTALLY!!!
Florida wants to sink her as a reef. God what a terrible idea.
Wow Interesting
Unfortunately, the interior was stripped such as it was. However, this ship could be a centerpiece of a waterfront venue offering restaurants, retail shops, and lodging aboard much like the city of Long Beach California's Queen Mary. Only recently the City of Long Beach decided to invest millions over several years in hopes of the ship turning a profit.
Thank You for sharing Waterfront Idea
Are you going to front the hundreds of millions it’s going to take to bring it to code? And also it will be required to go in dry dock just like these museum ships from time to time. USS alabama was jacked out of the mud in place to be inspected and repaired at the cost of millions. There the government has required it to be kept up
Are you going to front the hundreds of millions it’s going to take to bring it to code? And also it will be required to go in dry dock just like these museum ships from time to time. USS alabama was jacked out of the mud in place to be inspected and repaired at the cost of millions. There the government has required it to be kept up. The Queen Mary wasn’t a gutted hulk either. It took millions to paint a stack on it imagine thd billion on SsUS