Thank you for the detailed information given here just wished I found is sooner to save me time and over thinking it. Luckily I have not bought yet. Thank you again
They are apples and oranges. I have used a Trueform for about 6 months now. Curved treadmill fantastic for short intervals (e.g., 30 seconds) which are very difficult on a motorized treadmill as someone pointed out below. Plus the slats are far easier on the joints than your typical trampoline-like belt mill. Major hammy workout and you can keep in cold garage no problem since no electronics. But I find the CT difficult to maintain any sort of steady pace for proper distance run training. And like the video showed, I also found myself pointing the toes down, which is no bueno. Use the CT for its intended purpose and you may really like it.
But still, there are many people who only run outdoors and get injured and many who only run on curved treadmills and are never injured. If there's one thing I've learnt over the years, it's not to be too categorical. It rarely holds up to closer scrutiny.
Thank you Fredrik, so good, that i want to subscribe 2nd time from other account 🙌🏽 got my flat treadmil year now, while choosing between them inner gut told me no go for curved, glad i made that choice. Cheers from LV 🫶🏽🙏
When using a flat treadmill, I always set at 1--2 degrees depending on model unless doing an uphill or downhill workout becuse I have seen lots of people get injured/nearly injured running on a flat 0 degree incline in the former running club somebody in my area ran. I started in 2009 running at a 1--2 degrees after I inured myself on a flat treadmill and I could not run for a 2 week period in deep winter. This was before prices on cheaper full shoe ice spikes/crampon that they were not $70+ minimum much as a cheaper model of name brand running shoe is now so I could run in winter on the ice when other weather like wind/visibility or very cold was not an issue. I have those full shoe crampon from a higher level cheaper model around $30 of the and for running where I have some exposed paved surface I got YAKTRACK Ice Chains when coil style became brap as the og brand called Ice Chains were very pricey.
The key workout to run a 10k in under 40 minutes: 1) Warm up progressively for 10-20 minutes 2) Run 9 consecutive kilometers at 4:00/km pace 3) Run 1 kilometer at 3:59/km pace 4) Cool down 10-20 minutes, as needed
It's almost impossible to be that accurate with your splits. 1 second faster? Come on dude, gimme a break. My advise is to run your 1km repeats 10-15 seconds faster than your goal race pace. That way on race day your pace will feel much more comfortable.
1:55 I think the reason that treadmill running can be harder than outside running, could also have to do with the difference in heat dispersion, as when you run on a treadmill, the air around is not moved very much, where as outside you will constantly move in to new air, increasing the heat dispersion to the air. Also the indoor temperature could just be plain higher, making the heat dispersion even worse.
Martin, Duh... he's already covered that ages ago in another video. Get with the program. You don't know more than him. There is nothing related to running that you can come close to him on!😢
You don't understand the CT. Yes it's harder and different for sure. But the CT is much more beneficial because it trains/overloads the posteiror chain and it's also less impact force. Running on a CT leads to a more horizontal and less vertical oscillating style wich is exactly what we want! Maximizing horizontal movement and minimize vertical!
Okay, say you're right that I don't understand CT. But if you think that running is about maximising horizontal movement and minimising vertical movement, you don't understand anything about physics, biomechanics and how running works. Please see my video: ‘Yes, you should also move upwards when running’: ruclips.net/video/-XVIDz5KKdo/видео.html
@@SpringSnabbare may be you misunderstood me. I know that vertical displacement is needed. It's just that the ratio of horizontal / vertical motion should be as high as possible. Better runners have higher ratios.
It would definitely be harder than a motorized one. There is always going to be some friction to move the belt and if there is no motor then you are the one who will provide the energy to overcome that friction. Compared to a curved one, I don't think there is a lot of difference, except that you lose the advantage of being able to quickly change pace.
Interesting because I have started to develop lower back pain on CT. I think its something to do with that curve as well, but more so on the rear side of stride. I try to focus on frontside mechanics like a sprinter to avoid it. Where was your back pain?
I was thinking about buying an expensive curved treadmill. This video saved me a lot of money.
Thank you for the detailed information given here just wished I found is sooner to save me time and over thinking it. Luckily I have not bought yet. Thank you again
Nicely explained. In essence, curved treadmills tend to promote over striding.
Is the curved treadmill good if I want to simulate walking in Lisbon?
They are apples and oranges. I have used a Trueform for about 6 months now. Curved treadmill fantastic for short intervals (e.g., 30 seconds) which are very difficult on a motorized treadmill as someone pointed out below. Plus the slats are far easier on the joints than your typical trampoline-like belt mill. Major hammy workout and you can keep in cold garage no problem since no electronics.
But I find the CT difficult to maintain any sort of steady pace for proper distance run training. And like the video showed, I also found myself pointing the toes down, which is no bueno. Use the CT for its intended purpose and you may really like it.
"Slats are far easier on the joints than your typical trampoline-like belt mill" Interesting. Can you refer to the study you read on the subject?
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In short. If you regularly run outdoors and you don't want to injure yourself. Don't run on a curved treadmill.
But still, there are many people who only run outdoors and get injured and many who only run on curved treadmills and are never injured. If there's one thing I've learnt over the years, it's not to be too categorical. It rarely holds up to closer scrutiny.
Thank you Fredrik, so good, that i want to subscribe 2nd time from other account 🙌🏽 got my flat treadmil year now, while choosing between them inner gut told me no go for curved, glad i made that choice. Cheers from LV 🫶🏽🙏
Hi, I think curved tradmill is mainly (only?) for sprinters.
When using a flat treadmill, I always set at 1--2 degrees depending on model unless doing an uphill or downhill workout becuse I have seen lots of people get injured/nearly injured running on a flat 0 degree incline in the former running club somebody in my area ran. I started in 2009 running at a 1--2 degrees after I inured myself on a flat treadmill and I could not run for a 2 week period in deep winter. This was before prices on cheaper full shoe ice spikes/crampon that they were not $70+ minimum much as a cheaper model of name brand running shoe is now so I could run in winter on the ice when other weather like wind/visibility or very cold was not an issue. I have those full shoe crampon from a higher level cheaper model around $30 of the and for running where I have some exposed paved surface I got YAKTRACK Ice Chains when coil style became brap as the og brand called Ice Chains were very pricey.
So curved ones don't mimic running outside better than flat motorised ones?
What about injury risk between the two?
I have not seen any study on this. But if I see well-substantiated studies on the subject, it could also become a video.
The key workout to run a 10k in under 40 minutes:
1) Warm up progressively for 10-20 minutes
2) Run 9 consecutive kilometers at 4:00/km pace
3) Run 1 kilometer at 3:59/km pace
4) Cool down 10-20 minutes, as needed
It's almost impossible to be that accurate with your splits.
1 second faster? Come on dude, gimme a break.
My advise is to run your 1km repeats 10-15 seconds faster than your goal race pace.
That way on race day your pace will feel much more comfortable.
@@molochz this was a joke
@@molochz you must be fun at parties.
@@TheNervou5 Not as fun as you bro. You're so cool.
5:41 : thanks for the laugh!
1:55 I think the reason that treadmill running can be harder than outside running, could also have to do with the difference in heat dispersion, as when you run on a treadmill, the air around is not moved very much, where as outside you will constantly move in to new air, increasing the heat dispersion to the air.
Also the indoor temperature could just be plain higher, making the heat dispersion even worse.
Martin, Duh... he's already covered that ages ago in another video. Get with the program. You don't know more than him. There is nothing related to running that you can come close to him on!😢
Subjectively, running on a curved treadmill is even more unpleasant (to me) than the regular treadmill. Much prefer outside runs if at all possible.
You don't understand the CT. Yes it's harder and different for sure. But the CT is much more beneficial because it trains/overloads the posteiror chain and it's also less impact force. Running on a CT leads to a more horizontal and less vertical oscillating style wich is exactly what we want! Maximizing horizontal movement and minimize vertical!
Okay, say you're right that I don't understand CT. But if you think that running is about maximising horizontal movement and minimising vertical movement, you don't understand anything about physics, biomechanics and how running works.
Please see my video: ‘Yes, you should also move upwards when running’: ruclips.net/video/-XVIDz5KKdo/видео.html
@@SpringSnabbare may be you misunderstood me. I know that vertical displacement is needed. It's just that the ratio of horizontal / vertical motion should be as high as possible. Better runners have higher ratios.
Arc Cybex treadmill or a stair climber overloads the posterior chain much more and without promoting over pronation like the CT.
How about a flat non motorized treadmill? They do have those
It would definitely be harder than a motorized one.
There is always going to be some friction to move the belt and if there is no motor then you are the one who will provide the energy to overcome that friction.
Compared to a curved one, I don't think there is a lot of difference, except that you lose the advantage of being able to quickly change pace.
I hurt my back on curved treadmill because of overstriding - don’t recommend for distance runners
Interesting because I have started to develop lower back pain on CT. I think its something to do with that curve as well, but more so on the rear side of stride. I try to focus on frontside mechanics like a sprinter to avoid it.
Where was your back pain?
Flat mills are useless ...the mill does all the work
Complete nonsense.