Use ND Filters FASTER! (Xume Adapters & RevoRing Review)
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Many wedding filmmakers choose not to use ND filters because they are slow to put on and take off. Here's how Xume Adapters & the H&Y RevoRing can help you use ND filters faster!
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0:00 The Problem With ND Filters
1:39 Xume Adapters Put On ND Filters FAST
2:48 Cons Of Xume Adapters
4:33 The RevoRing Is Revolutionary
6:17 RevoRing Step Up Features
7:36 Conclusion - Which Should You Buy?
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Do you use ND filters or crank your shutter speed?
Both...
Buying some Xume magnetic rings was probably the most expensive mistake I have made. It is unusable with variable NDs, because they rotate. They should have some kind of fixed position so I can rotate my ND, not the whole Xume ring.
I use NDs. Sometimes I find myself cranking up the ISO because I don't have patience to remove the filter 😂
I Crank the shutter speed.. but coming to the question Matt.. I want to know that can we add any other filters on top of the ( Revoring VND ) for example filters like pro mist or stylised filters like Prism lens FX
@@dop_vincent the RevoRing doesn't have filter threads on the front, so no. But you could put a Pro Mist before the RevoRing
Was part of the team that created the original hero kickstarter video. Honestly to see how the product evolved over a month was insane! From the original no hard stop one pin to what it is now proved to me how good H&Y are as engineering! Im extremely excited as a film maker to the future of their products! And very happy to see everyone loving it!
Dude, I decided to get some good ND filters this season and was about to start research and shopping when you dropped this video. Thanks brother! I'll be getting 2 of the H&Y for this season
I just bought my first ever ND filters from Freewell. They also use a magnetic system, and each filter comes with a magnetic lens cap! They're fantastic so far. I bought the 82mm filters and a step up ring to use them on my other 77mm filter 24-105 (no vignetting!).They look fantastic, and are easy to use. Magnets strong enough for no worries, while still being easy to remove.
The minor cons are that the magnetic lens cap is tricky to remove without taking the filter off as well. Best to use a fingernail to separate them. Also, when used on my 16-35 wide angle lens, there is a bit of vignetting at 16mm. Not too much. I can even combine my 3stop & 6stop filter and solve the wide angle vignette by zooming to 21-22mm. Happy with my purchase! Now I need to film film film with them in 4K HQ on my beastmode EOS R5 😀
Something I've used are the rapid filter brackets, where you can essentially just flip the ND filter up and down. Makes it ultra fast when moving from inside to outside or vice versa.
Good video Matt. Happy New Year.
Nice. I implemented the Xume adapters last year and haven't looked back. I was so tired of screwing my ND on and off when going in and out during weddings. Another added thing, I've since left the macro lens out of my bag and added some close focusing diopters into my filter pouch. The Xume work great on those too!
@@SDW2000 i'm on a gh5 so i don't notice the vignetting
Now I'm excited for the fb group. :)
Great video and the Revoring seems awesome! It’s just an endless wait for them. Placed my order 3 months ago and still nothing. Really was looking forward to get this. Thank you for sharing Matt
I backed this project and I am currently waiting for my Rings to arrive. I got the complete set. It was such a great deal. Keep in mind that Revoring also comes as a NON-Variable ND variety that allows you to add your own Filters then quickly swap them from camera to camera, and they are very inexpensive.
I just placed my order for two RevoRings. Thanks for the heads up bro!
Thanks for the info buddy, just ordered the filter 👍
Great video, Matt. ND Filters seem to be game-changers.... thanks for the info!
Great video, Matt! But this is also the main went i went to the C200. Flip of a switch and boom, NDs.
Reovring looks great!
I love watching your videos, and already they have helped me in my wedding film-making journey! I used a song you recommended from Artlist on my first wedding video, and I want to purchase a Sony a7s ii as soon as I can afford a used on on eBay, thanks to your great review. I've been using a borrowed Panasonic Lumix GH4, but it is such a horrible pain "matching" the color science between it and my other two Sony cameras (both a6300s). I have very little money, but have luckily been able to buy several thousand dollars' worth of equipment in the last year. Okay, finally getting to the reason for my comment: do you have advice on how beginners can best save/invest their money in expensive camera gear when they are first getting started? Thanks so much for EVERYTHING you do!
One correction about the Revoring. Although it has hard stops, it DOES NOT prevent the x-pattern from appearing. I bought the revoring after watching videos which said that the hard-stops will prevent the x-pattern. But looks like they were all reading from a script given by H&Y and no one ever demonstrated the hard-stops in action. My mistake for trusting these youtube reviewers.
absolutely, he is shameless and lied to our face. he said no X pattern and it has big x pattern if you go beyond 5 stops.
I backed the RevoRing without the ND on Kickstarter. Can’t wait to get it, though after looking at it some more, I kinda wish I spent the money on the nd version, because adding your ND* filter makes it seem difficult to adjust because the diameter is smaller than the RevoRing. Still excited to get it tho!
Dude this is looking good
How would you compare the nd of the REVORING vs b+w and polar pro? Could you do a comparison. Wanna know if the built in nd for the Revo ring is better then the normal Revo ring and a external nd
Ordered the Revoring on Kickstarter a few months ago. Can't wait for mine to come in the mail!
Awesome!
Me too, but still waiting and not able to check order status in their website....🙄🙄🙄
@@wclinus I just got my tracking info yesterday.
first!!! for nd filters ive been thinking back and forth about it!!!
I think they’re worth it if you can use them fast :)
Dear Matt, thank you very much for all your amazing videos. I have a pretty strange problem with my Xume Filters in combination with A7s3 and the Sony 28mm 2.0 (49mm). Screwing the Xume on the lens, my aperture locks at 3.5 and can go up to 22 but not back to 2.0. It looks like the magnet is manipulating the aperture. Is there a way to avoid this problem? Thank you very much for your help. :)
Maybe I missed it but I was waiting for the part that explained exactly how the Revo ring actually attached to the various lens sizes.
yeah that was kind of glossed over, im trying to figure out what makes it special
Wow i was this close to purchasing the xume system. After watching your vid i ordered the revoring. I hope the ND is of good quality.
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it :)
This is nuts!
Matt, does the Revoring fit on top of other filters? For example a black pro-mist filter?
The RevoRing seems to have the X after 5 stops.
Wish you showed RevoRing Nd at 10 stops, I’ve heard of some major X patterns when you stop it down past 5. None the less good vid mate
really useful video Mat, I bought the magnetic adapters now together with a variable from Nisi but I have the problem that when I turn the ring of the variable the magnetic filter also turns and therefore consequently I can't adjust the light stops, how did you do it to solve this problem?
Hey Matt, do you have meanwhile more footage available of how the filter perfomes?
Hey BTW can you stack Revo rings? Haven't seen a video testing and proving it works but they said they can do it. Would be cool to buy the biggest one with the nd and then the smaller ones without an nd and then stack them
nice review but what about alterrfs or ulanzi? they are great systems too!
that revoring thing is really nice. Even though it sounds like a contraceptive.
Awesome!
You mention at the end of the video that you will link to some high quality ND filters in description, but I don't see the links (only the link to the RevoRing). Were you intending to link to some other ND filter options? Thanks for the great video!
Great stuff as always! Quick question: if my Sony 24-105mm has a 77mm thread size, which Revoring should I get? There's the Revoring 67-82mm and the 58-77mm available. It seems both would cover that, no?
Yes depends if you need the extra amount above or below the 77mm doeneds on your lens collection
Do you think that it could possible to use the xume ring mounted on a vnd filter and use it on top of an uv magnetic freewell filter(or step up ring, or cpl). I think that it could be an amazing combo. I’m thinking to leave always attached the magnetic uv filter (freewell) and just mount the vnd when I need it (or magnetic cpl). Freewell’s filters come even with a lens cap, they have a really clever design.
thank u
Wish I saw this video before I bought 3 new ND filters.... oh well now I like the Revo Ring. I hate taking filters on and off cuz I like to work quickly.
Great vid love it... are you doing a video about the “new” autofocus Sony lens??? I am really interested in a 70-200 i daw you have the f4 is good enough or the 2.8 would be much better??? Thanks
Which is the “new” lens?
Thanks! Planning on more videos about lenses soon!
@@Bluerush1992 the autofocus. I could see was 24 gm (reviewed already)135 gm 70-200 f4
I've been using the XUME system on all my lenses and filters for a few years now. They make using NDs and other filters much more bearable. All of my main lenses are 77mm filter thread, and a few use step up rings. I'm using HOYA filters and their variable ND is fluid enough not to spin the magnet adapter.
The only gripe I have with them is the compatibility with some lens hoods:
- Sigma 24mm f/1.4 ART = WORKS FINE, a slight side angle hood insert needed
- Sigma 50mm f/1.4 ART = WORKS FINE, a slight side angle hood insert needed
- Canon 85mm f/1.4 L II = WON'T FIT (maybe sanding down the edges of the XUME lens cap would help, I haven't tried)
- Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 L II = WORKS GREAT, no angle insert needed.
All in all, the XUMEs save a bunch of time and frustration. Way overpriced - and thus require careful consideration.
A solid 4/5 product.
I’ve been using xume filters for years, and I recently discovered two more problems: if your variable ND has a little resistance in the ring, turning it will just turn the whole filter instead of changing intensity. And, VNDs are usually bigger than the size of the filter thread, which means if you bump them from behind, they can fly off. So I preordered the revo ring a couple months ago 😬
Yup I've found they work great if the ND filter rotates easily, but otherwise they can be a bit of a pain
So conflicted. Sold on the RevoRing. But, still in pre-order. And won't need once I upgrade to the C70.
Can you stack 2 revorings and cover all your lenses?
can I keep the revoring always on my lense? Is it okay when I do low light photography?
Do you know how it would work with a promist filter?
The revo ring would be an ideal solution to me, if I didn't really want to use a big lens hood on my vintage lenses.
Is the CPL always polarizing the image?
Hi Matt. Love your reviews. My Revo Ring with variable nd and polarizing filter doesn’t work. Well, sometimes it does. But today, as in many days past, the ring won’t turn so I can adjust it to fit the various sizes my lenses demand. Any suggestions?
That’s a bummer! I would reach out to them about a replacement
Nice one Matt, Do you know if it is posible to have a 67mm promist filter on the front of the lens first then attach the Revo System to that? Or if the outer ring accepts a filter? In other words I could snap the Revo on with a promist filter attached to the from of it. I usually only film with Pro-mist and VND filters and would like to snap all the filters off when doing photos...? Hope that makes sense..
If the promist has filter threads on the front it should work
@@whoismatt Thanks Bubba for answering such an old post..
if you could buy only one nd filter and your are filming in slog 3. Would you buy a 6-7-8-9-10 or other ?
I own a variable ND filter, and when facing sunlight, it creates strange light shapes that completely ruin my footage. Any time I want to backlight my subject, the filter creates shapes or even dots that drive me mad. Is it normal or mine came failed?
Do you know of any magnetic variable NDs? Are you just carrying a bunch of solid filters on your shoots? Thanks in advance Matt, I get tons of value out of your videos.
What ND Filters do you recommend? 4 Stop, 3 Stop 64 etc
Matt, i wait for your Sony A7sIII Settings video! ;-)
Working on it!
@@whoismatt Same I wanna see them settings ;)
Yes please!
@@whoismatt you really are tbe best :-)
To be honest, I was devastated when I used the A7S3 to switch between photography and video.
The image configuration file and shutter speed settings are different. In addition, I need to remove the ND filter and replace it with A UV filter.
It even got me thinking about why not buy an A7R4 to use as a camera for my photography.
Was the "how do they work?!" a Chase Reeves reference?
Hi Matt, could you pls tell me, which Camera did you use to make this video? Cant´t find the info nowhere. Thanks a lot and greeting from Germany.
Sony a7siii
@@whoismatt Thanks a lot. 🙂
Matt: Magic? No It's magnets lol Reminds me of Jessie Pinkman: Maaaaagnets B**ch! 😂
My fingers are sore trying to turn the ring to adjust to different lens sizes. I bought the ring with the ND and polarizing filters already attached. When I watched numerous videos about the ring it always looks so simple to turn it. That hasn’t been the case for me. What do you think I should do?
This was basically a con job by many RUclipsrs selling this junk product and I was gullible enough, like many others, to trust these folks and buy it. I’m shocked that Matt, whom I generally trust, fell on this bandwagon. Placing and removing this product on lenses is just as difficult and probably takes longer than than the regular, and certainly magnetic options. This is truly a piece of junk and for people like me, who shoot run and gun, is completely impractical. It’s not a fast way of placing and removing the filter. It’s good only for studio work, and then why use it instead of magnetic options.
I’m willing to bet Matt is no longer using it in weddings and has gone back to using his magnetic filters. He will not respond to this but I’m think all of us who bought this for faster placement and removal across different lenses are screwed. Are you still using it?
I have my REVORING(s) in transit. A 77mm VND version and a blank 82mm REVORING to place my own VND filter into. As a KickStarter sponsor, and a looong wait, they are now shipping! It will be here in a week.
Question for you Matt, I have a Black ProMist filter to add to this REVORING. Your thoughts on doing that?
Place the ProMist on the lens and mount the REVORING to the filter? Or are there mounting threads on the outside of the REVORING VND that will accept another filter layered on top?
The blank 82mm revoring will take the black promist I'm not sure if you can add another to the front, I will have to check
@@SDW2000 you could buy a blank 52-72mm RevoRing and it would cover 52-72mm filter thread sizes with your Tiffen 77mm.
@@SDW2000, The blank RevoRing I purchased covers 67-82mm because I have an 82mm VND.
The other one is the 58-77mm since that will actually cover all my Sony lenses.
So, yes, a 58-77mm would hold your VND and would fit any lens from 58-77mm
Search RevoRing and you’ll find it. I bought mine through a KickStarter in 2019 and I’m just getting it now. So they are very very new. How you would order one now would be through a preorder as Matt had mentioned. But search the web or certainly RUclips and you’ll see how it works. I’m anxious to try it, yet I also want to add the Black Pro Mist along with it. So, it’s going to either mount to the front of the RevoRing or, I’ll have to put the BPM filter on the lens and then attach the RevoRing to the filter. Not sure what the solution is yet, but I hope I can attach the Pro Mist to the front of the RevoRing that has the VND built in, and maybe on the blank unit, I can stack the filters the other direction with the Pro Mist first, and the VND on top.
I know this may be confusing but perhaps I should do a video when I get both those mounts.
I’m with Matt, I hate messing around with filters, I never have time to ‘carefully’ go through the process of adding a filter or removing one, but if this mount works as advertised, I’ll make a special pocket in my ThinkTank waist pouches just for that filter mount.
That’s another tool I love. The ThinkTank belt and waist pouches for lenses and anything else. I HATED a shoulder bag and a pack pack while shooting. It was such a pain in the backside, but the belt and pouches were easy to run with, you have both hands free and there is no weight on your shoulders. And if you crouch down or lean forward, you don’t have that stupid shoulder bag swinging around and in your way. Oh man, just typing that makes me crazy. I’ve done corporate retreat coverage on hikes or climbing up major hills in Sedona and those porches were the best!! It just makes that run&gun style so much easier and saved a lot of energy and major shoulder pain!
Sorry, I went off in a different direction! Hahaha
I bought some caps for about 10 euros :P just 2mm above the xume and it will work
The old sony fs5 had an electronic nd filter
Very important video :) do I have a Déjà vu? I think that I have seen it before on your channel?
I was thinking about both of those systems BUT :) there was the problem - where will I place my ND filters when they are not on my lens?
The answer came pretty cheap and genius - UURig ND Filter Quick Release Switch Bracket - the filter stays on the lens, the lens cap is there on the filter.
I think I’ve mentioned xume adapters before a few times. Never fully reviewed them though
Neither lets you put on lens hood. The magnetic usually doesn't work well with VND or stacked filters when you could be rotating everything the same time.
How does the Revoring 82mm do on a 24-70 2.8? When I use my 82 mm SLR magic, there’s vignetting in the corner when shooting at 24 mm.
I don’t have that lens to test unfortunately 😭
Dear colleagues, I want to share my experience in case you are thinking to buy it, of non existing support from H&Y as well as bad experimental design.
1. The Lock mechanism is unusable and will not stay firmly, it not secure and will suddenly fall , like it happened to me, and I ensured it's very firm when attached. Did attach by instructions. The filter actually never "locks". It's just get tightened and then again loosens and rotates again, that's how it's built. Not like regular filter that you screw and you know you are at the end and it's secure. Not the case here. Especially if you rotate the ND pin in other direction to the one screwed the filter. Probably it will fall. It happened to me after screwing in on the lens and wasn't touching anything for an hour, then fall off by itself.
2. The X shape pattern on ND is very visible and not usable after ND5-7. So , what's the point claiming of 10 stops and when from ND 7 it's not usable.
3. There are no markings on ND after ND 5 to 10 ND , so you have to guess.
4. There is grainy pattern when using ND/CPL, compared to my other filters I own(Haida, Tiffen, Hoya). It seems not as clean on the sky.
5. The support is non existent. Will not honor warranty. Will accuse you and say that it's your human error, no matter what.
6. The rings ND and CPL are close together, so it's not that easy to control one without touching the other one. See how it's built.
Their "test" to show that you did wrong is to put the filter static on lens for 24 hours, but it's not happening in reality. The filter pins are intended to be touched to control ND and CPL, and no one puts it for 24 in static position. You move with the camera. That's their shitty test to say I'm wrong.
The pins to control ND and CPL where supposed to be touched, to control ND and CPL, but every slight touch can lock out and drop the filter . No secure filter system at all. The company did not honor the warranty and didn't want to fix the filter within the first month of use. Shame company. I was securing and fitting to lens strictly by instructions. Will not buy again from H&Y.
I will continue to use my regular, non variable ND's and CPL's from more true photography companies like Hoya, Tiffen and Haida I own. Never to H&Y again. They are for making money I think, not into a photography really. Lack of basic support is bad.
Their boorishness to my support request is unacceptable, saying to me that I'm saying nonsense and accusing of wrong use, without knowing that for sure. Just a trash Chinese company in my opinion. 1,2 and 5th point - see if you want this for yourself.
How does Revoring fit lenses with size 67-82mm. Sorry, I could not understand that part. Are there step rings included?
Revoring is adjustable and uses a spring loaded design to fit lenses between 67-82mm in size
Matt WhoisMatt Johnson thank you
I have the Canon 28-70mm f/2L and need a 95mm filter. I wish there was a 95mm RevoRing.
Been using Xume Adapters for years. The only downside is when you do drop a lens, they are really hard to remove.
6:10 some reverse magic
This video looked better than usual. What camera settings and lut do you use?
A7siii and whoismatt luts, linked in description
i Don't think it would be cheaper then the step up rings but I do think it would be faster
googood
I'm getting tired of all the green and magenta color shifts when using nd filters. At this point for weddings I am just going to shoot 60p the whole time and crank shutter. I'm over having unuseable footage because of the green casting.
Xume was discontinued. :(
Mine cant be used past 5 because of the x pattern. Very disappointed in that.
I bought some of the XUME adaptors but after a year or so, the inner liner crumbles and breaks bc it is plastic.
That’s a bummer. I own like 8 and I’ve only ever had one break
@@whoismatt Yes, I know, Bummer, actually happened with 2 of them. There is like a "plastic" ring inside or cheap metal that breaks/broke easily. ATleas time, and another problem I had was with VND's sometimes the whole magnetic ring would twist with the VND.
wait how does it fit multiple filter sizes?
The RevoRing expands and contracts to hit between 67 and 82mm :)
@@whoismatt sold!
The xume filter adapter's magnets aren't really strong. Don't get any high expectations with these.
I've found it really depends on the weight of your ND filter. If it's lighter it should stay on pretty well. Definitely not as strong as the RevoRing though
The magnets will erase your card, lol
That’s not how memory cards work...
Sounds like you need the Electronic Variable ND in the FX6....
That's a good one!
The X factor on this is very evident. I will pass
Revoring sounds like an IUD or sex toy
Solution: Get a proper video camera with built in ND filter.
If only proper video cameras were more affordable and came with IBIS 😉