Who is Tom Bombadil?

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @dlseller
    @dlseller Год назад +1830

    It’s worth mentioning that Tom isn’t completely separate from main narrative. Eowyn didn’t slay the witch-king by herself. He was first stabbed by Merry with a knife crafted years before specifically to break the witch-kings evil spells. That knife was taken from the barrow and given to Merry by Tom.

    • @zamdrist
      @zamdrist Год назад +370

      Wasn't he mentioned too in the Council of Elrond, briefly as an option to keep the ring safe, and idea that was immediately discarded because Tom would be just as likely to lose track of it, as he would to keep it safe.

    • @paulgillespie542
      @paulgillespie542 Год назад +197

      Indeed. Seeing Tom reduced to Aragorn saying "Here are these knives" at Weathertop was disappointing

    • @robegatt
      @robegatt Год назад +116

      ​@@zamdristTom is the only living being on which the ring has no power, so he would forget it and loose it.

    • @valhoundmom
      @valhoundmom Год назад +77

      Yes, that is completely true, not Tom, no slain wraith. Because it was said he could not be killed by man and neither Merry nor Eowyn was a " man"..
      I always loved how Tolkien just had these little things that became big things later.

    • @richardclark.
      @richardclark. Год назад +39

      Exactly, when she said Tom doesn't advance the narrative I wondered what book she read. 3 things came to my mind almost instantly.

  • @JohannesLG12203
    @JohannesLG12203 Год назад +624

    I like how when Tolkien gets asked questions about his work, he always answers as if he had not written them himself but rather as if he was telling us about a story he has heard at a point

    • @OddRob92
      @OddRob92 Год назад +24

      Yeah it’s called The Holy Bible, many of Tolkien’s writings are influenced by The Holy Bible and even other writings like Homers Iliad, The Odyssey, or even Viking Norse mythologies. Tolkien was a Christian so it’s no surprise that you see themes of faith, friendship, loyalty, perseverance, and self sacrifice in a world of his own creation.

    • @Mike1Lawless
      @Mike1Lawless Год назад +58

      @@OddRob92 Not one single human ever thought of these types of things before someone invented religion. :D

    • @gib59er56
      @gib59er56 Год назад +27

      Yes. Tolkien , when responding to letters speaks to the people like he is pondering on the same questions he is asked about. Like a man wondering about a true history. He invites you in and speaks as if he is right there with you posing guesses and trying to find a real truth or history. He NEVER is "the professor " with fans. He is one of the fans. As far as Bombadil, I think I know exactly what is going on. I will never know if I am right, or if there even IS a right or wrong to it. Iarwain Ben-adair, (sp?) Eldest and fatherless, is his name to the Elves. He is a being that the oldest Elves have known from their own awakening under the stars in Lake Cuivienen, in the age of The Lamps. He holds a Power my brother. What that power is , I think was great at one time. By the Third Age it has removed from all else save his tiny nook of the world by the Old Forest, and he will not pass that border willingly. He has turned his back on the wide world.

    • @philw6056
      @philw6056 Год назад +10

      @@OddRob92 If Tom Bombadil is connected to the bible he could be the god that created the first things and then stepped back. So he is or was immensely powerful, but nowadays he gave up, doesn't use or lost his power. Instead he is stil around to observe and live with his creation.

    • @OddRob92
      @OddRob92 Год назад +1

      @@Mike1Lawless Can you prove your claim? Show me the proof.

  • @erickelley7320
    @erickelley7320 Год назад +190

    You wouldn't get this from watching the movies, but Tom DID advance the plot a little. It was when Tom rescued the Hobbits from the Barrow Wights that they came by the swords they used for defense throughout the rest of the story. It was one of those swords that Merri used to make the Witch-King vulnerable to Eowyn's fatal blow.

    • @perezpepito104
      @perezpepito104 3 месяца назад

      not a little.

    • @nandoman4769
      @nandoman4769 Месяц назад

      In the movie right when Merri stabs the Witch king in the back of the leg if you look closely you can actually very briefly see a magical glowing around his sword. So I guess they did keep the detail of the sword breaking his invulnerability.

  • @jasonahdjfhsdfg
    @jasonahdjfhsdfg 9 месяцев назад +117

    Tolkien described Tom Bombadil as a “comment”, I think with him being a soldier in the war, I think the comment he was trying to make with Tom was that even in times of war, evil and sin, it is possible to remain undefiled and pure. I think that Tom was such a majorly important character for Tolkien personally, because he represented who he hoped to be in a world that didn’t make sense to him. I think he would have been very upset that he was left out of the films, as the “comment” he wanted to make with Tom was so important to his whole world view, and for him personally such an important character to the story, as he represented hope in times of extreme darkness.

    • @seanrcollier
      @seanrcollier 9 месяцев назад +6

      This is closer than anything else I've heard proposed. Great insight. It's like Tolkien's ideals built into the story, but with that hint of regret hanging over everything he wrote, that things just aren't at the happy ending yet and won't be for a long time. But let's pretend they are, in a small way, for a little while.
      Can you imagine how that master of unsubtlety Peter Jackson would have loused that up?

    • @jeremiah6462
      @jeremiah6462 9 месяцев назад +10

      ​@seanrcollier
      You know, Jackson's LOTR adaptations have major faults to be sure, and his Hobbit adaptations are utter garbage.
      But, there is no denying that he brought more people to recognize Tolkien and respect Tolkien's stories than anyone else other than Tolkien. AND he also created the LOTR movies out of love for Tolkien and did his very best to respect the stories. A far better effort than anyone else had ever even attempted prior.
      Contrast that to what Amazon has done.

    • @seanrcollier
      @seanrcollier 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@jeremiah6462 Definitely all good points. I'm still going to criticize him from a place of preening moral superiority.

    • @jeremiah6462
      @jeremiah6462 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@seanrcollier
      🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

    • @AnnoyingNewsletters
      @AnnoyingNewsletters 9 месяцев назад +5

      With the Soldier Tolkien in mind, Tom Bombadil is that bizarre, brief, Christmas ceasefire between the trenches.
      War is Hell, but here's just one brief shining shining moment of respite and frivolity to remind everyone of their humanity and to give them a reason to carry on in the face of the atrocities of the Great War, the War to End All Wars...

  • @TXRBL
    @TXRBL Год назад +81

    I first read of Tom in the early 70s. At the time I was suffering from a traumatic brain injury (and still do). Tom embodied the peace that I didn’t have in life. I wanted so, so much to emulate him, if not be him. The thought of the peace embodied by Tom in his realm still brings tears to my eyes. God bless you Tom Bombadil.

    • @joshuawindus8519
      @joshuawindus8519 Год назад +5

      I like that. It’s almost like he’s a still pool, a little bit of peace amongst the chaos.

    • @JulieAiken
      @JulieAiken Год назад +8

      Just a kind wish for you. I suffered a TBI (serious brain tumor and surgery) a few years ago, and will never fully recover. One doctor reassured me that "You have tremendous cognitive reserve." At which point my niece, serving as recorder and explainer of the appointment, leaned over and said "That means you're really smart." Not a day goes by a don't thank my love of reading for that cognitive reserve! Sending you continued healing and peace.

    • @louisegogel7973
      @louisegogel7973 Год назад +1

      ⁠@@JulieAiken and JD80 To both of you, I wonder if you’ve explored homeopathy for help healing!? Please, it would be worth going to an experienced classical homeopath for help. I’ve seen it work well with these injuries.
      My very best to you both!

    • @JulieAiken
      @JulieAiken Год назад

      @@louisegogel7973 Thanks - I’ll look into it!

    • @jasonahdjfhsdfg
      @jasonahdjfhsdfg 9 месяцев назад +3

      With Tolkien being a solider in the Great War, and him describing Tom Bombadil as a “comment” in one of his letters, I think your description is almost certainly the closest to Tolkiens true meaning of Tom Bombadil. I think Tom is the embodiment of peace in a world consumed with war, aggression and sin. I think Toms inclusion was Tolkien’s way of showing that even in the darkest of times it is possible to remain pure and undefined.

  • @therealjamespickering
    @therealjamespickering Год назад +377

    I have always loved the fact that Tolkien seemed not to know a lot of what happened in Middle Earth; almost like it was a history he had studied extensively, rather than a story he had created.

    • @therealjamespickering
      @therealjamespickering Год назад +32

      @@stephenlaing2152 My comment said that he created the story, not that he invented everything himself.

    • @dimwoo
      @dimwoo Год назад +32

      Deliberately done for effect. His middle-earth has misty borders that fade out, hinting at unknown lands beyond. He constantly hints at and lets us glimpse things we barely understand or know little of to create the impression of vast spaces and deep histories.
      Outside of the Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion he left a large number of other essays and stories concerning middle-earth (all of which are in the History of Middle-Earth books), often in different modes of poetry or prose, some fully worked out and others incomplete or just snippets; and he did so consciously to mirror the way the literature of old lost cultures, like anglo-saxon or old Norse, has been lost and/or preserved in real life i.e. tantalising fragments that give us part of a lost whole, or works that regularly reference others that no longer exist.

    • @JustWasted3HoursHere
      @JustWasted3HoursHere Год назад +15

      As a matter of fact that's not far off from what really happened. That is, Tolkien spent a good deal of time writing the "bible" for Middle Earth before writing the stories themselves. Much of this has been published posthumously by his son. Anyway, it makes for a very detailed world that almost seems real. He even created the full elven language: He was a linguist by trade after all, and there are actually people in the world who can speak it fluently.

    • @jarlwilliam9932
      @jarlwilliam9932 Год назад +10

      @@stephenlaing2152ost of the spiritual and theological framework of Tolkien comes from his very own Christian faith. It has mythological and Norse pagan tropes but bent toward a Christian world view.
      Tom Bombadil, Ungoliant, the Nameless things where all created by Eru the one and only God of Tolkien’s Legendarium.
      That is they aren’t just random spirits that came into being but where deliberately created by Eru.

    • @thelionsshare6668
      @thelionsshare6668 Год назад +12

      @@stephenlaing2152 and let's not forget his best friend, C.S Lewis, who provided an enthusiastic encouragement, as well as many, many conversations about mythology, theology, and philosophy.

  • @AndyTheCornbread
    @AndyTheCornbread Год назад +29

    I read the book to my kids when they were young and the movies came out later and the first thing my kids asked after seeing the movie was "Where was Tom Bombadil?" and for years until they were much older they didn't like the movie because Tom wasn't in it. They like it now that they are grown but they still vastly prefer the books as there is too much missing from the movies for their taste, especially Tom Bombadil. Because, he was hands down their favorite part of the book when I first read it to them.

  • @dukeon
    @dukeon 9 месяцев назад +17

    I love, love, love Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, and I love the inclusion of the side story. These days editors would 💯 insist on excising Tom. I really enjoy him for the reasons you mention, and for the sheer comfort I get knowing the hobbits have been saved from Old Man Willow and the barrow-wights, which is a pretty intense experience for them so early in their adventure.
    That comfort extends to knowing that they are *completely* safe from the Nazgûl, and probably everything else in the world. It’s an interlude of peace and safety I can’t find adequate words for. It’s like them arriving at Imladris and totally chilling out (well, maybe not totally), knowing they are safe with Elrond.
    These reprieves allow the reader to relax and reflect, a kind of pause in the action that seems verboten in our age of constant busyness and being thralls to our phones. I dislike the present world…which is why I think I love carefree, grandfatherly Tom so much. I hate when they have to leave. Thanks for another very literate, bang-on video and despite the creepy crawlies I enjoyed the dappled outdoor setting.

    • @haleywilson520
      @haleywilson520 8 месяцев назад

      Yeah, my reread is really making me think about how publication standards have changed so much that really great older books wouldn't have been published now, or would have been missing beautiful and meaningful passages. It's a shame

  • @Frogger
    @Frogger Год назад +195

    The first time I read the part where Gandalf says he is going to have a talk with Bombadil like he's never had in his time it really filled me with joy and I cried some happy tears. The fact that Gandalf has such simple plans after their victory over Sauron and just intends to go have a chat with a character I had almost forgotten about after the epic tale that unfolded after the Hobbits left the Old Forest, somehow really tickled me and is to this day (about 20 years later) still one of my favorite parts of the books.

    • @dain6492
      @dain6492 Год назад +2

      That made you cry, jesus

    • @Frogger
      @Frogger Год назад +21

      @@dain6492 yeah? Couple of tears of joy? So?

    • @edopronk1303
      @edopronk1303 Год назад +11

      I agree with you, it's a great moment. After all that happened, a well deserved rest.

    • @lillia5333
      @lillia5333 Год назад +19

      ​@@dain6492I hate how some people get joy from diminishing other peoples feelings. There must be something ugly inside them. My hope is that they will find the reason and become better persons one day.

    • @hoodatdondar2664
      @hoodatdondar2664 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@lillia5333 I had the same feeling. “Now that all this war nonsense is over, we can get back to things that really matter”. Glad someone else feels the same!

  • @WarHam.Saltsmoke
    @WarHam.Saltsmoke Год назад +454

    In my head-canon, I think Tom’s constant singing is a huge clue as to what he really is. In the Silmarillion, Iluvatar created the world through the Ainur’s singing. I believe Tom is a kind of rogue good Ainu spirit, much in the same way that Ungoliant is a mysterious rogue Ainu bad spirit. Both Tom and Ungoliant are unexplainable entities in Arda. While Ungoliant is terrifying, repulsive and aggressive, Tom is incredibly warm, inviting, loving and protective. Both Tom and Ungoliant were Ainu spirits who simply did not fall in with the regular order, and both became powerful, unique entities in Arda.

    • @DanBeech-ht7sw
      @DanBeech-ht7sw Год назад +79

      Bombadil has irritated me for more than 45 years with his pointlessness. People's theories about him are always wrong, and along comes you......and you have actually solved it.
      Your theory makes complete sense of a character that made no sense at all. I would buy you a coffee for that, and I tip my hat to you.
      Enjoy the day!

    • @WarHam.Saltsmoke
      @WarHam.Saltsmoke Год назад +40

      @@DanBeech-ht7sw The singing is the key! When I first read LOTR, Tom was my least favorite part. I thought his whole sequence was stupid. But then after reading The Silmarillion and studying it at length, I then read LOTR again and when I got to Tom, I noticed it right away. The guy just sings all the time. I mean, it’s just obvious that he really enjoys singing…. a lot! What else could he be? I’m sure of it-he’s a purely good-natured Ainu who loved to sing and he just never stopped.

    • @DanBeech-ht7sw
      @DanBeech-ht7sw Год назад +19

      @@WarHam.Saltsmoke I never made the connection until you pointed it out. It amuses me that of course, Tolkien didn't know.
      Well done for developing an original, plausible theory that makes perfect sense of a random character that otherwise is just an annoyance.

    • @paulfenton5673
      @paulfenton5673 11 месяцев назад +18

      I’ve heard the theory, and it’s my current head canon, that Tom is Eru Iluvatar himself. This relates to the singing but also Tom being a being of neutrality. The creator is not good or evil but “he is.” This is also my interpretation of the “don’t you know my name yet?” Line: Tom has many names and so is surprised that the hobbits do not know him.

    • @DanBeech-ht7sw
      @DanBeech-ht7sw 11 месяцев назад +28

      @@paulfenton5673 "I'm no weather master, nor is aught that goes on two legs" - that would be a strange remark for Illuvatar to make.
      And "But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its power over others."
      Can't see it myself.

  • @keithklassen5320
    @keithklassen5320 Год назад +61

    This channel is such a breath of fresh air in the field of Tolkien analysis. Not to put the others down, but they way you speak in such a conversational but still very clear and articulate way is so good, and your use of IRL footage really helps us feel like we're there with you.

  • @koborkutya7338
    @koborkutya7338 11 месяцев назад +75

    I liked Tom's appearance because it makes their experience closer to real life in that something appearing in your world is not always necessarily part of the immediate narrative. Whatever the story is, there are things outside it.

    • @plebisMaximus
      @plebisMaximus 10 месяцев назад +1

      I liked that idea more when it was Glorfindel or Beregond and his son who were brought in shortly just to serve the small, but incredibly important role of humanising the world. They also fit better in the pacing. At the point Tom is introduced, there's so much stuff going in and so much momentum starting to build that just hammering the brakes for 3 chapters only gives me narrative whiplash. We also don't need something like this yet, because we've already at this point met a lot of characters that serve functionally no purpose. Characters like the Gaffer, Sandyman the miller and farmer Maggot aren't exactly brought into the story because they're integral to destroying the ring, but their inclusion flowed much better than Tom did.

    • @hoodatdondar2664
      @hoodatdondar2664 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@plebisMaximus There is that, but somehow, it just made the thing seem more real. Not everything you run into has a point. At least, not that you can see immediately.

  • @edamamame4U
    @edamamame4U Год назад +397

    Tom Bombadil makes me think of an all-knowing nature spirit. He reminds me of a Green Man of sorts. To me Tom Bombadil symbolizes the natural world and English countryside of old that Tolkien wrote about so beautifully in the Lord of the Rings. Both him and Goldberry are unchanging natural forces in a world that Tolkien saw changing rapidly after the horrors of World War Two. He is a force uncorrupted by greed and hate. He is a force that in unexplainable, above good and evil. When I feel sad I like to imagine myself as a tiny hobbit in Tom Bomadil's house learning about the lore of the world and eating delicious dinner with small forest animals -- my cottage core dreams.

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Год назад +38

      I think that's definitely an aspect of the character! Tolkien loved the natural world so much.

    • @1three7
      @1three7 Год назад +18

      I was coming to say something similar. He is nature and isn't bothered with humans or elves or their Gods. Not that he is bad in anyway. He's just so big and primal that humans are insignificant. He couldn't even benefit from the ring because he doesn't want anything. He just is.

    • @kingbeauregard
      @kingbeauregard Год назад +30

      There's another video where someone observed, and I quote:
      ---
      In LOTR universe there are 5 kinds of people : No powers, hero powers, magic powers, overpowered and hilariously godly overpowered.
      And then... there's Tom bombadil, who could have just simply walked/danced into mordor, punch sauron in the face, kick melkor in the nuts and be back before lunch time all while wearing the ring as a piercing on his dick.
      If only he gave a fuck.

    • @edamamame4U
      @edamamame4U Год назад +2

      @@kingbeauregard Hah hah, that is brilliant!

    • @yggdrasild755
      @yggdrasild755 Год назад +5

      Tolkien was a heathen at heart.

  • @GingerKidsPwn
    @GingerKidsPwn Год назад +34

    That singing had me shook. Wasn't expecting that much talent in a casual LOTR discussion. Great analysis and beautiful voice!

    • @krunchyfrogg
      @krunchyfrogg 11 месяцев назад +2

      This video came up as a suggestion. I figured I’d give it a watch.
      That singing has me subscribed. I was very pleasantly surprised.

  • @ivoroshea8225
    @ivoroshea8225 Год назад +396

    I think there is an additional aspect to Tom's character : as a very practical plot device.
    Yes, his chapter with the hobbits has an air of deep unreality and even whimsy that's tonally way out of sorts with the slow-burning fuse of dread present throughout The Fellowship of The Ring. However, later in the Council of Elrond, Gandalf and Elrond very logically and matter-of-factly debate the pros and cons of giving The Ring to Tom. They come to a clear and blunt conclusion it would be a bad plan. To me, this is Tolkien spelling out to readers that - despite the vast complexity of Middle Earth and the awesome supernatural powers of some of its inhabitants - there simply is no 'deus ex machina' available that can neatly dispose of The Ring. Instead, the only viable path forward is one of immense risks, tragic losses and highly uncertain reward. By taking the time and patience to flesh out such a potential 'deus ex machina' earlier in the story (and paying a price in terms of breaking the narrative and tone of the story), Tolkien's subsequent dismissal of this potential plot outcome is all the more real and jarring to readers. Very few writers would take such a storytelling gamble - but that's why he's JRR Tolkien.

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Год назад +90

      Wow, this is a fantastic point! I hadn't thought of that, thanks so much for sharing.

    • @alanbeaumont4848
      @alanbeaumont4848 Год назад +35

      The point is made that to Bombadil the Ring was irrelevant; his magic isn't connected with that wielded by the forces of light and darkness, his is the force of nature itself, without ego.

    • @oojimaflip8952
      @oojimaflip8952 Год назад +56

      The central motif of the Lord of the Rings is that "some weapons CANNOT be used for any cause". The act of using them destroys the cause itself.
      Tom IS nature. The One Ring is quite literally useless to him; Nature needs no weapons. Tom is just as likely to leave the Ring somewhere as he is to place it on his Wife's finger.
      I respectfully also suggest that Part Time Hobbit is quite wrong about Tolkien's view on nature; He spent a lot of time in rural Birmingham ensconced in nature and ever fearful of the damaging effects of industrialisation - another fairly central theme to LotR. To claim that nature was as alien as outer space to Tolkien is preposterous!
      Sincerely - A Full Time Hobbit.
      (An Englishman and a Worcestershire man)

    • @MajorMalfunction
      @MajorMalfunction Год назад +24

      I believe he is somewhat of a self-insert. But it's also an important step in the hero's journey. It is a moment of peace and refection before the main struggle, allowing the heroes time to rest, to realise what it is they are fighting for, and to gather the resolve and fortitude to go forth. He literally arms them with the weapons they'll need to succeed.

    • @AvanToor
      @AvanToor Год назад +8

      ...and then the birds came.

  • @anndorar1383
    @anndorar1383 11 месяцев назад +22

    I think the sun in your face for this video about Tom just made it even better, it’s like the spirit of Tom was there! 😂❤

  • @liveliestawfulness
    @liveliestawfulness Год назад +901

    Tom Bombadil is a truly ancient being who pre-dates most of the major events that occurred in Middle Earth; I place his coming roughly contemporaneous with the earliest accounts of Keith Richards.

    • @bgrigg07
      @bgrigg07 Год назад +41

      Surely not that ancient!

    • @MicMc539
      @MicMc539 Год назад +7

      The Worlds Most Elegantly Wasted Man.
      They don't make 'em . . . . . . . . .

    • @xensonar9652
      @xensonar9652 Год назад +22

      In the beginning there was Tom Bombadil, Keith Richards and Jesse Ventura.

    • @brianford-coates284
      @brianford-coates284 Год назад +4

      Or Joe Biden.

    • @third.act.countdown
      @third.act.countdown Год назад

      Brilliant Bastard

  • @pocketlama
    @pocketlama Год назад +44

    This is cool for me to hear. Thank you. A long time ago, my wife read, and I recorded, the entire Lord of the Rings out loud. She went into a kind of trance state (for real) and didn't even realize how she had assigned a different accent and voice to every character. She somehow kept them all straight. She also sang all the songs, and did a pretty good job with Elvish even! She never understood how she did it. She now lives in an adult family home with advanced dementia. I wish I had a place to share those recordings. I think people would enjoy them. I tried uploading them to YT but they killed my channel for it. Before they killed the channel, teachers were sending their students to listen along as they read the book. So sweet.

    • @jito7377
      @jito7377 Год назад +3

      Sounds awesome. Copyright is difficult...

    • @kumoyuki
      @kumoyuki Год назад +2

      Soundcloud is pretty loose.

    • @lastmanstanding5423
      @lastmanstanding5423 Год назад

      Torrent will work if you want to go around the copyright.
      If you need help with it let me know.

    • @liquidpig
      @liquidpig Год назад

      @@kumoyuki I think this is the way

    • @kingbolo4579
      @kingbolo4579 Год назад

      I recommend archive.org

  • @LeKushKush
    @LeKushKush Год назад +62

    The most credible theory would be that Tom is the pure embodiment of the song of the Ainur, seeing as Tom himself has said he “was” before the first acorn or the first tree on the land and “was” before the first dark lord came to arda. Makes a lot of sense when you see the character ungoliant because there are theories stating that she is the pure embodiment of the discord of Melkor.

    • @spracketskooch
      @spracketskooch 11 месяцев назад +1

      I like it.

    • @nomercyinc6783
      @nomercyinc6783 10 месяцев назад

      theres no credible fan theories of anything

    • @donaldcarpenter5328
      @donaldcarpenter5328 10 месяцев назад +1

      One of the few even OLDER than Gandalf!

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 10 месяцев назад +1

      Tom is cringe a f , good thing they removed him from the movies...

    • @jedinightstalker
      @jedinightstalker 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@bdleo300Woah bra 😮that was deep as fu... 🤯

  • @REDoachkatzlschwoaf
    @REDoachkatzlschwoaf 10 месяцев назад +63

    that was so sweetly sung by you, absolutely marvellous!

    • @MrLanternland
      @MrLanternland 5 месяцев назад +1

      That is because her real name is Jess Bombadil.

  • @pkomarek
    @pkomarek Год назад +125

    Somewhere I recall Tom explaining that Frodo cannot become invisible to him using The Ring because The Ring has no power over him (Tom). This helped me understand that not seeing Frodo might be a command from The Ring, rather than a change to Frodo. This video made me ponder whether _all_ of The Ring's power stems from everyone's (except Tom) desire for power.

    • @stapler942
      @stapler942 Год назад +14

      That comment about Bombadil and the ring being irrelevant to him comes from Gandalf during the Council of Elrond chapter, when the question is raised whether they could give it to Bombadil. :)

    • @lifewithyogiji
      @lifewithyogiji Год назад +14

      I like that idea. It darkens the whole narrative even more.

    • @occamraiser
      @occamraiser Год назад +6

      In Tolkien's world age was power. That fact-oid was put in to demonstrate T.B.'s deep history and disconnection from the issues even of the pretty damn ancient Sindar (Elves).

    • @TyroPirate
      @TyroPirate Год назад +22

      The ring is able to put the wearer into the “wraith world”, or into the “unseen”. Things in the Unseen world are visible to others in the Unseen.…
      That’s why the ring wraiths can see Frodo when he puts in the ring, and Frodo can see them clearly (instead of just that showy figure that they appear to be in the Seen world).
      It seems more like Tom is in both the Seen and Unseen worlds at the same time? or he can clearly see both… ? or who knows… maybe he exists outside of both of them but projects himself? He just, IS

    • @1ManNamedDan
      @1ManNamedDan Год назад +1

      I think Tom might be an unnamed Maiar or one of the unrecognized/lost blue Istari.

  • @JeanZGerman
    @JeanZGerman Год назад +166

    It's cool listening to you sing the tom bombadil song because I feel like everyone has a different version of it in their head.

    • @yourhandlehere1
      @yourhandlehere1 Год назад +5

      I'm thinkin' his voice would be a bit deeper.

    • @rksnj6797
      @rksnj6797 Год назад +4

      @@yourhandlehere1, yes, Tom's voice would've been a nice earthy baritone or bass.

    • @iggyharl5780
      @iggyharl5780 Год назад

      ​@@rksnj6797 according to..?

    • @AskanHelstroem
      @AskanHelstroem Год назад

      Joe, if u r indeed german, there is a rly awesome audioplay (hörspiel), produced by the WDR, in 1992
      Top voice actors, top sound design...
      And top pick for Tom. A deep, warm, and cozy voice. like a chubby monk...somehow...
      The part where he scolds the willow is just perfect.
      And of course...
      "Heh, Tom Bombadil,
      Tom Bombadonne...
      Hör den Ruf, eile her,
      bei Feuer, Mond und Sonne,
      Komm, bei Wasser, Wald und Flur.
      Steh uns nun zur Seite.
      Komm bei Weide, Schilf und Ried,
      aus der Not uns leite!" *-*

    • @Diogolindir
      @Diogolindir Год назад +1

      I love Tom Bombadil and I struggle to know exactly why

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian Год назад +57

    Some of the history of Tom Bombadil, as you recount it, shows a subtle humour on Tolkien's part. Tom is not just "oldest" within the world of LOTR, but actually within the personal sphere of Tolkien's creativity. He's one of Tolkien's own oldest creations. The suggestion that Tom is a counter to the broader "good vs. evil" narrative in LOTR and represents a form of nature that does not recognize human constructions of value also seems very well taken.

    • @sturgeonslawyer
      @sturgeonslawyer Год назад +1

      Not, however, as old as (some of) the tales which would become the Silmarillion proper: those go back to his illness during his service in WWI, when he wrote the first version of (at least) "The Fall of Gondolin;" long before the Dutch doll entered the Tolkien household -- before, indeed, the children were born -- the "Book of Lost Tales," as it was originally called, was very much a thing in its own right.

    • @williamneal9076
      @williamneal9076 Год назад

      Perhaps one day all of us will be so blessed as to move beyond the duality to that view of his as well. Maybe then peace will be.

  • @Skarok
    @Skarok 11 месяцев назад +7

    wow! what a wonderful video that was. thank you! as a huge tolkien fan since I touched his work for the first time I must say: you capture the essence of his created universe so perfectly in my opinion. your voice that almost sounds like music in my ears, calm beautiful and deep mixed with a setting in nature that is magical and peaceful... it really reminded me of tolkien's world and why I fell in love with it. I applaud to you. thank you again! I know where to go now when I want to consume some high quality youtube content :)

  • @canoli62
    @canoli62 Год назад +107

    I think Tom does two other things that many overlook.
    First he introduces the Hobbits and the reader for the first time to the truth that as big as their struggle seems, as powerful as the elves and men and wizards and dragons and black riders and even Sauron seem, the world holds greater wonders. This is both the simple truth that you mention briefly, about nature and the world itself being bigger than the wars of Middle Earth, and also the grand truth that Tolkien's fantasy world is one of gods and eternal powers that are well beyond the comprehension of most involved in this story. While we can also read the appendices and the Silmarilion, in the course of the story, Tom is the introduction to all of this.
    Tom is also Tolkien breaking the fourth wall and reaching into the story to remind a young reader that the terrors of this story don't signify worrying over. He is the grandfather in the Princess Bride stopping mid sentence to say that Buttercup won't be eaten by eels. He is that moment when you are telling ghost stories around a fire that you step back and make a joke to break the tension. It drives me crazy when people categorize Tom as extraneous or unimportant to the story. This role is crucial.

    • @KeldorDAntrell
      @KeldorDAntrell 8 месяцев назад

      Well said and well observed.

    • @tmarkcommons174
      @tmarkcommons174 7 месяцев назад +2

      JRR said that he is not Tom. But JRR also spoke as if he did not make up the story, he is just telling it. Maybe JRR is Tom and just does not know that himself? It is a divinely revealed mythology. That is the gift of the story, to me, and I love it. It gives me solace in this world and it does not need to be the same to anyone else. Thank you, God. I am Tom. My life is better with that. I am at peace. May you also be.

    • @clarencewoodbine6266
      @clarencewoodbine6266 5 месяцев назад

      very well stated 😊

  • @kimhorton6109
    @kimhorton6109 Год назад +149

    I read the Fellowship in 1965 when I was in School in New Mexico. I thought Gandalf was weary, tired of fighting and struggling. When, at the end of the Return of the King he told his hobbit friend he was going to have a long talk with Tom Bombadill, I was happy for him to be able to set his toils to the side and sit with someone who didn’t see him as a force of nature but a person who had carried a great weight for a long time.

    • @brucemace5404
      @brucemace5404 11 месяцев назад +7

      The same thing I wondered about When I read it as a young teenager in about’75 or ‘76 Went to rest and unwind.

    • @onojioboardwalk9748
      @onojioboardwalk9748 10 месяцев назад +1

      1:20 - I, WOULD, HAVE MADE, TOM, a FRIGHTENING-character - TO MAKE him WORK in the MOVIE-!! AHHAHHA-!!

    • @snoopstp4189
      @snoopstp4189 9 месяцев назад

      That is the power of Tolkien, he understands what makes us feel good.

  • @dajcom
    @dajcom Год назад +50

    Thank you. This is the best and most wonderful explanation of Tom I have seen in 42 years of being a Tolkien fan. He has always been one of my favorite characters and now I can enjoy him even more.

    • @penultimateh766
      @penultimateh766 Год назад +2

      Only 42? Rookie.

    • @dajcom
      @dajcom Год назад +2

      @@penultimateh766 So now I am curious. How long have you been a Tolkien fan?

  • @MrZipdang
    @MrZipdang 9 месяцев назад +2

    Tom Bombadil really affected me from the moment I first read of him, and I totally love your take on him!

  • @jacobcharleszimmerman7934
    @jacobcharleszimmerman7934 Год назад +46

    When Tom says that he's the oldest, I think it was a meta comment from Tolkien about how he's his oldest writing creation. So in a way, Tom is like Gopher from Winnie the Pooh. He's an interloper from outside the story.

    • @skycook904
      @skycook904 10 месяцев назад

      Puck of Pooks Hill (Kipling) has a lot in common. I'm sure Tolkien had read this, and Rewards and Fairies.

  • @carlom.marcello6033
    @carlom.marcello6033 Год назад +138

    It's incredible. I have been part of this fandom for so long, and I clicked on this video expecting to hear the same old things I've heard and read countless times. I am so pleasently surprised. Your view on it was interesting and your way of expressing it was so passionate and natural.
    You made me wanna read the books again.
    Thank you. I have just subscribed and cannot wait to see more content from you.

    • @4thlinemaniac356
      @4thlinemaniac356 Год назад

      Agree and perhaps a virtual walk of the Malvern Hills which Tolkien Based Weather Top on would be interesting?

    • @HaykoSchmidt
      @HaykoSchmidt Год назад +1

      Same here 😁

    • @ipuya
      @ipuya Год назад +1

      Great comment on a great video 🙏

  • @scottmclaughlin1410
    @scottmclaughlin1410 Год назад +36

    I've always considered the character to represent how nature is neither good nor evil and is beyond the control of any power. I first read the books in the early 80s and I think your explanation is the most complete analysis I've come across. Well done!

    • @4thlinemaniac356
      @4thlinemaniac356 Год назад +2

      There is a great video lecture on ArchtypalView channel The Red Book and The Red Book,Jung,Tolkien,and the Convergence of Images on you tube.

    • @danielsank2286
      @danielsank2286 Год назад +4

      I had the same interpretation, that Tom is Nature and hence entirely uninterested in the ring.

    • @intzbk1
      @intzbk1 Год назад +2

      At first I thought he was one of the wizards sent over along with Gandalf, the blue wizards, etc but years later after re-reading the story I came to the conclusion that he and Goldberry were like nature made manifest. Goldberry reminded me of a daughter of Gaia archtype and Tom the manifestation of the power of nature in a neutral way.

  • @briartv7071
    @briartv7071 9 месяцев назад +6

    Seeing everyone wonder and talk about who Tom Bombadil could be, and the ideas and lessons behind him, is honestly so fun. But for the life of me I just can't question who or what he could be, because I already know exactly what he is. He says it himself, he's Tom.

    • @nordicmind82
      @nordicmind82 9 месяцев назад +3

      A rose by any other name. Labels don’t say much, but from Tao/Zen perspective of an entity living with and as nature, as a song in a song, and always having been around, then a name might be enough. He who is.
      Welcome to the grounds. Your room is over there. That is Jonathan, the careraker and farmhand, that’s William, the farmer and owner of the estate with wife Jane and children Richard and Anna, that is Sarah, the house keeper, that is Donovan, the cook, and that, well that Tom. He’s always been here. Can I take your bag?

  • @pigeon_the_brit565
    @pigeon_the_brit565 Год назад +30

    tom bombadil is my favourite chracter in the whole of the lord of the rings. He is a lord of his realm, but does not seek control of the outside, he is unsolvable in a way and i think there should often be a chracter like that, enigmatic powerful but only in a specific way. having a fantasy world that is alien to us and then allowing a reader to see all of that worlds contents is uninteresting and doesn't allow the reader the space to fill the gaps with their own ideas. I love the moment when tom comes to rescue them from the wights. I think its deus ex machina but at its finest and most intriguing

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 Год назад +2

      Thanks for that, I'd forgotten that term 'deus ex machina', which is embarassing since I think I studied Euripides a long time ago. But thats exactly what I was thinking. I was working on a paper on the 'politics of literature' and thinking about the fact that in western literature, in fact MOST 'literature' we seem to only ever focus on ONE protagonist. I had heard two disparate things, one was from Bruce Lee who pointed out that films are fine but he said that its essentially impossible no matter how good a fighter to actually win against two opponets, let alone three. And yet how many movies are exactly that.
      So I was thinking, what if Frodo had told all the hobbits about the ring. They probably wouldn't have believed, but some would. So they made a plan to make a hundred rings that LOOK like the one ring. And a HUNDRED groups of four hobbits set out in every direction. What could nine riders do? Not a lot. Wars, as they say, are won by soldiers, not heroes, for lack of a better word.
      But in literature you have to focus on ONE protagonist. Therefore you HAVE to fill the story with these 'deus ex machina's' in order to show both how special the protagonist is, and that the outcome is plausible...usually by luck.
      Bombadil really only saves them from a tree, something anybody coudl have done. His 'purpose' is more to show the ring does not work on 'the world'. Its a made thing, not of the world, and so the world will always win out. Thats a theory I'm thinking of. That makes 'middle earth' the actual protagonist. The heroes who give themselves over to the earth 'win' in some sense, the sense being that the world goes on, even when they get multiple wounds.
      Thats why he's not only my favourite character, sort of liek Beorn in the Hobbit, but he's essential to the story.

  • @voodoochild1975az
    @voodoochild1975az Год назад +6

    This is by far the best interpretation of Tom I have heard. Others take it to literal, is Maiar etc....
    You cut right through to the truth what Tolkien was saying with this character and why this odd adventure even exists within and outside of the narrative.
    Of all the explanations I've heard or read, this has been the best.

  • @deadish9613
    @deadish9613 Год назад +33

    "solving" Bombadil is an attempt at control, like you were talking about in Tolkien's letters. What a wonderful character, acceptance of what is and happy in every moment. I'm so happy this popped in my recommendations. Thanks PTH.

  • @erichbrough6097
    @erichbrough6097 6 месяцев назад

    THIS is possibly the best, most illuminating exploration of any significant character in Tolkien's egendarium that I have yet found - congratulations, Jess!🙌🙏

  • @Stephhhhyyy
    @Stephhhhyyy Год назад +5

    Your perception of Tom Bombadil is so great! There are a lot of things I haven’t even thought of before, and I’ve thought and talked about Tom for a long time!
    Tom has fascinated me since I first read LotR. The more I read the passages in Fellowship, the more I think about him, the more I think about Tolkien’s views of the natural world- the more I realize how beautiful Tom Bombadil actually is. I was introduced to Taoism about a decade ago, and I see a lot of the same themes in LotR, especially when it comes to nature and the characters’ (and our) place in it.
    We are all part of a larger world, and Tom is the Master as Lao Tzu uses the term. The Ring has no hold over him because he is beyond good/ evil or dichotomous views. He just is. That is why I think the forest respects him. Tom is content with being in the low places that others disdain, much like water, yet his latent power is vast and unending. He flows with the “Tao” of Tolkien’s world - whatever that may be. He is the old, silly hermit that no one takes seriously until he shows his full potential, kind of like Yoda when Luke Skywalker first meets him.
    I think Tom is one of the best things about Lord of the Rings, and I’m so glad Tolkien decided to put him in the larger story. Thank you for making this video! I love these kind of deep conversations about things in our stories and myths that keep us thinking!

    • @LucasHynar
      @LucasHynar Год назад

      I was wondering if anybody here would make the same connection to the Tao with Tom. Nice points as well! He is the embodiment of a spirit that has existed before all else which is the Way.
      "In the beginning was the Tao.
      All things issue from it;
      all things return to it."
      Tom was a favourite character too. I read the LotR many times when I was younger before I knew of Taoism properly. I now find it the most compelling of all the philosophies I have explored. I have not read this book since but listening to this video it was clear that Tom is the Way.

  • @prestonopp
    @prestonopp Год назад +116

    Originally I was really disappointed that he wasn’t included in the movies, but with more consideration I’m glad they didn’t. I think for a screen adaptation they would have needed to make a decision as to how he should be interpreted, which would have killed the magic of his character. He was always my favorite and I love that he remains an enigma.

    • @davidp.5598
      @davidp.5598 Год назад +3

      I was the same way. After I thought about it Tom really didn't have much of anything to do with the story. Of course, he did save the Hobbits from the Wrights and the old tree.

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive Год назад +2

      Reading takes far longer than watching, having another horror and unexpected rescue, followed by a safe break adds to the possibilities in the world.
      A film, even a long one has to focus and cannot afford what is essentially a digression.
      They do use Willow to introduce Trebeard, the Ents are similarly ancient powers but inactive.

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so Год назад +5

      I wanted him cut and was glad they did it. I love The Eldest, but he doesn't advance the narrative at all, he's super confusing and mysterious, and nothing, from his look to his dialogue, translates well to film. Not to mention at this point they are just beginning to build up the power and lure of the Ring. Having Tom just casually dismiss it would destroy that.... and rather than listening to morons say "WhY dIdN't ThEy JuSt FlY tHeRe On ThE eAgLeS!" we'd also have to hear the same idiots asking "Why not just give it to that forest pimp dude from earlier?"

    • @logisticsnerd76
      @logisticsnerd76 Год назад +4

      Fair enough, as long as we all can admit that the movies are unfaithful, I can see your point

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so Год назад +3

      @@logisticsnerd76 I think unfaithful is the wrong word. They aren't perfect duplicates of the books, no movie ever is, but they are relatively accurate, and I think capture the spirit of Tolkien's world perfectly.

  • @mizzlchieizzl
    @mizzlchieizzl Год назад +5

    Great sources : ) Good take! I'm convinced Tolkien had Tom in mind for the LotR, and by the time he wrote them through Moria, he realized he had gone beyond the Faerie world of Tom, and that he left Tom in the story to make sure that we all know it's ultimately a faerie story. This helps the reader to know that the horrors in bree, Weathertop, Moria, Isengard, and Mordor, will ultimately end well. It keeps us from feeling those traumatic events too heavily, and always look ahead to a good ending. At least that's where I am with him : )

  • @unkemptjargon91
    @unkemptjargon91 11 месяцев назад +8

    I love toms character in the story. He adds a sense of whimsey to a dark backdrop. He's also a benchmark for the power of absolute good. And, he gives alot of hints towards the nature and power of the ring.

    • @tmarkcommons174
      @tmarkcommons174 7 месяцев назад +1

      I have walked to South America, with no money (before personal phones) and I did not speak Spanish. I have experimented with "no care for the 'morrow". I have trusted only the smiling approval of my guardian angels (who only approve of 'absolute good") and accepted that I will not die unless to die, at that moment, were a good thing. I have been rescued by intervention so many times that it is impossible for me to feel alone. Have fun. Make good stories for the after-death party.

  • @etienneporras7252
    @etienneporras7252 Год назад +4

    This is by far the best answer to this question I have ever heard. This is truely marvelous, and honestly brought a tear to my eye.

  • @1dullgeek
    @1dullgeek Год назад +114

    I remember the first time I read Fellowship. And I was comforted that Tom Bombadil existed. I liked the idea that there was something which the evil of the world couldn't infect. I get why Jackson left him out of the movies, but I also really missed him. The movies were way more dread than hope - which obviously struck a chord with viewers. But I liked knowing that Tom existed.

    • @thelionsshare6668
      @thelionsshare6668 Год назад +26

      Years before, I had always pictured Tom Bombadil being played by Robin Williams.

    • @presidion11guy32
      @presidion11guy32 Год назад +6

      @@thelionsshare6668 Oh, wow. You are correct. That could have been brilliant.

    • @michaelrandall9034
      @michaelrandall9034 Год назад +5

      I thought it to be such weak sauce that Jackson left Tom out of the movie. Somehow make AN ENTIRE MOVIE out of an appendage but completely avoid a major presence from the book. Oh well...

    • @boomerdell
      @boomerdell Год назад +7

      Superbly said! I had that same response to the character as soon as I encountered him for the first time when I read the books, and my admiration for and fascination with him grew as I finished the trilogy. That he and Goldberry could exist peacefully and fruitfully completely unaffected by all the forces whirling around them...I just loved that image.

    • @matthewsands3591
      @matthewsands3591 Год назад +5

      ​@@thelionsshare6668 I always thought Brian Blessed would have been perfect. But I can see Robin Williams doing it justice too

  • @erikagehm2805
    @erikagehm2805 Год назад +21

    I think Tom symbolizes creativity, innocence, and tranquility. He is a being that chose to keep a hold of child like wonderment and innocence yet expresses it in a mature manner.

  • @TheRealJohnConnor
    @TheRealJohnConnor 8 месяцев назад +2

    The figure of Tom Bombadil, symbolically, may also take inspiration from the biblical figure of Melchezadek, King of Salem, from the Book of Genesis (IMO). Melchezadek is a foreshadowing of Jesus in the old testament. He is the only other figure that worships God at that time besides Abraham and his family. He is, in that sense, in perfect tune with nature, he's dialed in and one with its creator. Although appearing as a man, it would appear that Melchezadek has no beginning and no end. He just is, he's just there, just like Tom Bombadil is. And just like Tom Bombadil, Melchezadek points us to the source, the Living God who made heaven and earth. Because of the significant influence Christanity had on Tolkien and this saga, I wouldn't be shocked if the story of Melchezadek was in the back of his mind when he wrote this. I loved your video! Thank you for the wonderful production! God bless!!! 🙏☦️🕊

  • @dawnlenore3422
    @dawnlenore3422 Год назад +37

    The first time I read the books, my very first thought when Tom Bombadill was introduced was that he was meant to be representative of "God". Little hints at this kept coming up, such as Goldberry explaining him simply as "He is ". (Biblically, God introduced Himself as "I Am"). Then later when Tom says to Frodo, "Don't you know my name yet?" with a kind of winky tone, it seemed to confirm that initial leaning, especially because we know Tolkien was a devout Christian.
    Although, I did also toy with the notion that Tom Bombadill was Tolkien himself! As the author, he was outside the narrative and couldn't be affected by it. And Tolkien, we know, was a lover of Nature and even said in interviews that the character of "Luvien Tinuviel" was based directly on his own wife. It's not too hard to make the leap that Goldberry might have been an early prototype of Luvien Tinuviel.
    Anyway... that's just my opinion. Totally open to discussion.

    • @hoppish088
      @hoppish088 Год назад +1

      Luthien and Beren go back to Tolkiens earliest writings from 1917. Fall of Gondolin.

    • @hotel3667
      @hotel3667 Год назад +1

      One of Tolkiens bigest hobbies, was Norse mythology!
      He borrowed heavily from it when he created his fantasy world.
      And God in Tolkiens world was Eru, also called Iluvatar.
      And Tom Bombadill was later revealed to be one of the minor Valars.

    • @epgui
      @epgui Год назад +4

      @@hotel3667 "was later revealed to be one of the minor Valars" -- Where was this revealed? I missed the memo!

    • @iamstan5251
      @iamstan5251 Год назад +4

      I like the “Bombadil is God” idea. Not necessarily inconsistent with “Eru is God” - maybe just another incarnation / avatar. (Gods are not bound by the usual rules.) Also compatible with being Tolkien, who is God as far as Middle Earth is concerned.

    • @merlith4650
      @merlith4650 11 месяцев назад +3

      The god theory is rejected by Tolkien himself. Tolkien made it clear that "There is no embodiment of the One, of God, who indeed remains remote, outside the World".
      It wouldn't really make sense anyway, as Tom Bombadil is certainly powerful to some respect, but he doesnt strike me as all-powerful. While he is unaffected by the ring, it was specifically established in the book that he can't affect or destroy the ring himself, and that he is too carefree to be trusted in helping the cause of the council as his naive nature and seemingly oblivious attitude towards the conflict between light and dark, wouldn't make him reliable in taking care of the ring.
      Which wouldn't be consistent with Tolkien's view of Eru, who is very much against the darkness and evil, just like God is opposed to the devil and the forces of hell. But his influence operates indirectly and through some abstract and interpretive "divine intervention" (just like the the Christian's perception of God)

  • @TDCflyer
    @TDCflyer Год назад +53

    I read The Fellowship of the Ring a long time ago when I was about 12 or 13 years old. Tom Bombadil immediately reminded me of the old "Rübezahl" tales from germany, of which a wide variety exist. "Rübezahl" is also present in Poland and Czech, probably even further than just that. He takes on various forms in a plethora of legends and tales and is mostly neither malevolent nor benevolent - he's just an entity older than the mountains. Sounds familiar?

    • @occamraiser
      @occamraiser Год назад +4

      Absolutely. Tolkien drew massively from european folk law. He never made any bones about that and I don't think he claimed that there was any novely in his characters/races/wizards etc - his genius was in the plot the cultural backgrounds and the languages.

  • @NickonPlanetRipple
    @NickonPlanetRipple Год назад +33

    Much as I enjoy Tom, I think leaving him out of the films was the right move, though more as a matter of tone than pacing. People have a hard enough time as is comprehending why the ring is scary, to the point some still think it just turns you invisible and doesn't give you supernatural charisma that makes you appear larger than life and could sway entire armies to your side. Imagine, the movie just spent almost an hour hyping up this evil scary ring, Gandalf telling Frodo to NEVER put it on, and within minutes of runtime they meet this old blue hippie who can see Frodo wearing the ring (something Gandalf told him NOT to do two scenes ago!) and even handle it himself without being corrupted. Any suspense the movie had successfully built up would dissolve in an instant. In a book or even a game, a character like Tom can more easily be used deepen the mystery of the world and inject some much-appreciated whimsy. In a movie that's already moving a mile a minute, he'd be a distraction. He'd sabotage the narrative by making Sauron and the ring seem like not such a big deal and confuse the hell out of newbies to Tolkien's world.

    • @freefall9832
      @freefall9832 Год назад +1

      Totally disagree, the film missed the mark in too many ways to count.

  • @Rain-Dirt
    @Rain-Dirt 9 месяцев назад +1

    I like your take on Tom. It made him much more interesting :)
    When Tom says he was older than trees or rivers, older than elves or men,.. it could just have been Tolkien meaning to say that Tom already existed as a character before he started to create the world of Lord of the Rings. As if Tolkien himself was talking to his own characters in the hobbit world, a very personal touch. These hobbits could have been (in a way) the kids he was talking to when he created the story of Tom.
    I must say, it is an interesting way to approach a story as a writer and I like it!

  • @colin.d
    @colin.d Год назад +63

    For me the best part of LotR is the Hobbits adventure prior to them arriving at Bree when they are travelling on their own and of course Tom Bombadil is a major part of this story. It is understandable how he was omitted from the movies but the books give so much more depth to the story.

    • @zogthedoomed
      @zogthedoomed Год назад +3

      As a Brit this is the part that feels most recognisable and comforting.

    • @4thlinemaniac356
      @4thlinemaniac356 Год назад

      Have You done a virtual you tube walk of the Malvern Hills which Tolkien Based Weather too on? Tolkien walked there frequently is beautiful. Enjoy.

  • @markusrobinson3858
    @markusrobinson3858 Год назад +22

    When asked why he had placed Bombadil in the Lord of the Rings, Tolkien responded that he was not sure (for many of the reasons you articulate RE pushing the story forward), but that he had felt compelled to include him in the Trilogy. Other Tolkien analysts have cast Bombadil as the spirit of nature, Eru Illúvatar, personification of the Song of Creation, Tolkien himself, etc. I found your approach compelling and refreshing (and so you got one of my rather rare subscriptions). The only thing I would add, is that I don't find Bombadil inconsistent with the comprehensive world Tolkien creates in his works of Middle Earth. At the same time as most of us are (like Gandalf) stones doomed to rolling, Bombadil is Tolkien's reminder that the world outside of our (puny) concerns is all around us and continues on (with or without us choosing to be aware of it.)

    • @maestroaxeman
      @maestroaxeman Год назад

      As a child, I used to find him a wistful & eternal wizard of sorts. As I grew older, I found him to be a wise sage within the whole story arc that seems part of the whole. These days...as I grew wiser & read more Tolkien works; I saw Tom Bombadil as a character within the story who was a personification of JRR Tolkien himself...as he wrote his story.🤔😎
      Hardcore "Ringer" here🤓

  • @Bennyboy087
    @Bennyboy087 Год назад +102

    I loved Tolkien's writing for that very reason. Not everything or everyone needs to have an ultimate purpose and sometimes a mystery give it long legs and eternal life for people to ponder about long after the author is gone. Tolkien's writing was like how his experiences were like in real life: You get separated in battle, where are your friends now? What are they feeling? And sometimes, some people you meet briefly in life, you never see them again. That's not bad writing, that's life. Tom is a mystery and I think that mystery give the book charm and realism rather than all the characters needing to be pieces that fit neatly into a final picture of a grand puzzle.

    • @TS-yd6cn
      @TS-yd6cn Год назад +9

      This! So different to cunningly contrived plots where every piece will come back in its appointed time. Tolkien's pieces have their own agendas which the reader may never know and half the time I don't think he did either. Unique work.

    • @duncanramsay9262
      @duncanramsay9262 Год назад +1

      Indeed

    • @karabenomar
      @karabenomar Год назад +4

      I think this is a major reason why Tolkien's world seems so real. It's vastly greater than the story that unfolds within it, with detailed lore, lands, creatures, languages and events existing outside of it.

    • @KnugLidi
      @KnugLidi 10 месяцев назад

      The only part I found utterly annoying, is the damn talking fox, from the Fellowship of the ring. Only appeared once, and is completely unrelated to the rest of the story. Very out of place.

  • @specex
    @specex Год назад +20

    What a pleasant treat to run across your video tonight. It’s been over 40 years since my first encounter with Tom, as the hobbits seek refuge with him and Goldberry after their encounter with Old Man Willow, as they flee the Black Riders after leaving the Shire. I must have re-read those sections three or four times before proceeding with the story the first time through it. Of course Bombadil advances the LOTR plot. Beyond freeing them from the willow and the refuge he gives the hobbits from the Black Riders, he rescues them from the barrow-wight and gives Merry and Pippin the swords from the treasure hoard that they would carry into battle later In the story. Three times the story would have ended before it started without Tom’s intervention. He is dark, in his ancient and shape-shifty ways, but he is a classic “good” character in the story. Later, when we meet Radagast the Brown, for me it is Tom that helps me make sense of him, as they shared that deep connection to nature that makes me feel they are natural friends, made of a similar substance. A little long winded, but I was once a full time hobbit and you drew me in. Cheers!

  • @pendragon2012
    @pendragon2012 Год назад +10

    I like the idea that Tom is the embodiment of nature. In Tolkien, as you note, nature does have its own kind of power. In The Hobbit, Smaug briefly considers plunging into the lake and raising a steam that will cover the land for a long time. The narrator notes, "But the Lake was mightier than he. It would quench him before he could pass through it." And of course the numerous times that nature almost killed off our good characters, lol. Very good video, Jess!

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Год назад +2

      Oh, that's a brilliant line! So concise and yet evocative. Thanks for sharing!

  • @florian79fg
    @florian79fg Год назад +8

    You're interpretation gave me goose bumps and almost made me cry! Brilliant! Love it and the whole presentation! And I'm a 43 year old man running a business. Shows that Tolkien's genius is still relevant in this age!

  • @temerson2
    @temerson2 Год назад +3

    This is the first video I've seen on this channel but I love the energy of it so much and this was very informative given the mystery that is Tom. Look forward to seeing more.

  • @KS-xk2so
    @KS-xk2so Год назад +126

    "Don't you know my name yet? That's the only answer." I love that line so much lol and it tells us that Tom truly is unique. He's not a nature spirit or a Maia or an elf or man, those races all have names... there is only one Tom, so his answer to "What are you?" is always Tom Bombadil.

    • @benkenobi_
      @benkenobi_ Год назад +5

      OP gigachad god character lol

    • @Sacto1654
      @Sacto1654 11 месяцев назад

      Some scholars say that Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are "Maia gone native." That description may actually not be far from the truth. Maybe Bombadil and Goldberry took the Last Ship to the Undying Lands some time in the later Fourth Age?

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@Sacto1654 Maybe... I sort of doubt it though. Tom is the Master of his lands. For him to go to the Undying Lands, where either someone else is Master, or they'd clash.... doesn't seem right to me.

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 10 месяцев назад

      Tolkien was probably on some strong weeds (and mushrooms) when he wrote Tom...

    • @ArawnOfAnnwn
      @ArawnOfAnnwn 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@Sacto1654No, Tom was there even before the Valar came to Middle Earth, so he can't be a Maiar. As well another enigma character, Ungoliant, showed themselves to be powerful enough to nearly kill a Valar, Melkor, and shroud themselves from all the others. This is not something a Maiar could do. Gandalf, another Maiar, was scared to hold the ring, but Tom was unaffected by it.

  • @MostlyJoshin
    @MostlyJoshin Год назад +211

    There are a lot of interesting theories on who Tom is: spirit of nature, Eru Illúvatar, or even Tolkien himself. I've always liked the idea of Tom being the Song of Creation personified. He was before all things and understands creation because he was a part of it being made. Either way, its pretty dope that Tolkien left something that would never be fully explained.

    • @stanislavkostarnov2157
      @stanislavkostarnov2157 Год назад +15

      My theory also hold to Tom being the Song of Creation,
      but, not so much personified, as a medium by which it can enter into the world... not a moving stone (which is action), but the gatherer of moss, through whom the theories take hold into the world,
      he consorts with Goldberry, who is the crystalized personification/avatar of life that's within nature, but himself, he is beyond time and even living...
      he understands creation not because he was part of it being made (though he was), but because understanding is his nature, he understands nature in thesame way fish understand swimming, in thesame way we breath...
      Aidh fa Vm'naes Mn'ningvlo!

    • @MandyFlame
      @MandyFlame Год назад +7

      My personal take too. We first meet Tom as a song.

    • @faustomadebr
      @faustomadebr Год назад +8

      In Letters, Tolkien said he is not Erú, if Im not mistaken.

    • @huldaherna3935
      @huldaherna3935 Год назад +3

      The Bunagaya spirits of red hair might have connection to this

    • @stolenlaptop
      @stolenlaptop Год назад +2

      Tom was a character he created before LOTR and he just stuck him in the story

  • @eatatjoecs
    @eatatjoecs Год назад +36

    The chapter about Tom Bombadil was a very welcome break in a plot of increasing tension. The feeling I got of peace, tranquility, and protection from harm in Tom's world I felt repeated in Rivendell, and in Lothlorien Forest. Tolkien gave us a world of ever increasing dread and doom, then would give his readers a break and a chance to catch a breath. The evil trees then Tom was not unlike losing Gandalf then entering Lothlorien. That take that "nature could never be controlled by anyone" is brilliant and something I didn't think about, but very true. The trenches of World War I decimated the French countryside, but the land lived on. Tolkien saw that decimation, and it's recovery. Amazing. I think Tom didn't solve the ring issue on his own is because he knew, whether Frodo or Sauron won, in the end (really big picture view), whatever happened, eventually things would return to how they were, just like the French countryside. It's the type of big picture view someone that has lived since the dawn of the world would take, and fits Tom perfectly.

  • @Eric10179
    @Eric10179 Год назад +41

    One of the things I found really funny about Tom Bombidil was that at the Council of Elrond, Elrond put forth the idea that maybe Tom should take the ring, to which Gandalf quickly dismissed the idea. Because if they gave it to him, he likely would not understand the reason why, only to lose the ring or throw it away because things like that had no value or was of no interest to Tom. Truly in his own world, showing that he was outside the domain of right and wrong, good and evil, this side or that. He’s truly the embodiment of letting go of control and the desire for power. Pure indifference.

    • @tmarkcommons174
      @tmarkcommons174 7 месяцев назад

      Tom reminds me that we must forget the ultimate Truth in order to make this imagined world something that we can get excited about. He is a reminder that we are just playing out our parts in a dream. In Reality, everything is perfectly alright. Play the game, have some fun, it's okay. There is really nothing in this world worth fighting about; but forgetting the Truth and playing our parts does serve some purpose that will remain a mystery, for now, so as not to ruin its purpose, whatever that is. I think that we are all so incompetent that we would hardly persist if not for constant, divine intervention; but most see that not and somehow think that we are oh so clever in our ignorance. There is a master of the terrarium.

    • @cardenova
      @cardenova 7 месяцев назад

      Lol yes that was an interesting side note

  • @stardust1837
    @stardust1837 Год назад +4

    the fact that he was part of the storyline was enough like a meditation in some ways it acentuates the story by not rushing along with it and pulls us back like a rubber band flinging us back in with a rush toodles !

  • @adamdavidson9717
    @adamdavidson9717 Год назад +34

    I saw some video essay somewhere that Tom is the embodiment of Joy in that he is pervasive in the moment but is easily forgotten about when not in it. He also helps to remind us that even when things appear to be at there darkest, light and joy can still be found even in a small pocket. The Essayist went on to say that this was what Tolkien wanted to convey when choosing to place him in the story

    • @edopronk1303
      @edopronk1303 Год назад +5

      I like this.
      Better than the idea that he would be Eru or Tolkien himself.
      An untouchable concept personified is what I experience with Tom, and Joy is a good candidate.

    • @adamdavidson9717
      @adamdavidson9717 Год назад

      I believe the video is: Who is Tom Bombadil by In Deep Geek for those interested

    • @occamraiser
      @occamraiser Год назад

      I disagree. I think it was just a bit of fluff in a period when he was writing before WW II and he was basically still in a 'the hobbit' mindset rather than a WW II holocaust mindset - like most of the rest of the book.

  • @harryanders2877
    @harryanders2877 Год назад +10

    Really enjoyed your narration and your take on Bombadil. I always enjoyed his character and wished they could have included him in Jackson's films, but understand why they didn't. Incidentally, you have a very nice, soothing voice, and fine singing abilities. I wish you much success.

  • @bobmckenna5511
    @bobmckenna5511 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have enjoyed several of your videos, and read the hobbit in trilogy, at least three times. Perhaps I’ll do it again at this later stage of my life. But I was completely impressed with your section in this video on nature. I think I subconsciously shared some of those views, but to have you articulate them, so succinctly was profound. My admiration for you has grown. I used to take those books into the woods to have a good read. Thank you.

  • @joehebert789
    @joehebert789 Год назад +47

    In my opinion, Tom's role in the story is to teach the hobbits, and especially Frodo, that with proper discernment they can trust non-hobbits to have the morals and character to do the right thing. It helped set the stage for meeting and trusting Aragorn in Bree.

    • @Doverbendoverben
      @Doverbendoverben Год назад +5

      This is a good take. Also I think it plays well in showing how unique hobbits are on there ability to rest and find joy in any opportunity to do so, drinking in the moments as they come. Its hard to imagine any other race of middle earth finding the same rest and carefree moments in the house of Tom. Habits truly are amazing creatures.

    • @turnipsociety706
      @turnipsociety706 Год назад +4

      but Tom does not seem to have universal ideas - he seems nice and protective but very whimsical. Aragorn looks very different to Tom. Frodo already trusts elves and Gandalf; and has Bilbo's stories

    • @merlith4650
      @merlith4650 11 месяцев назад

      Tom's role in the story will in most cases just bring up more questions and confusion, especially when adapting the story to the TV screen.
      You could argue it teaches the hobbits to trust the goodness in others, but I would argue this doesn't really work when Tom is such a strange enigma far detached from any othet character in the story. Tom isn't a good representation of others, only Tom is like Tom.
      He also doesn't really do the "right thing", he is carefree and unaffected by the rings power, but he is also established as very naive and unconcerned about anything going on in the world outside of his bubble. With no sense of duty, responsibility or purpose

    • @joehebert789
      @joehebert789 11 месяцев назад

      @@merlith4650 Tolkien didn't write with any consideration for translation to other media. Tom was also the entryway into the unexplained/unknown parts of Middle Earth.

  • @allisongliot
    @allisongliot Год назад +46

    I almost wonder if Tolkien himself is asking Tom who he is through the mouth of Frodo-he feels like one of those characters who makes his way into the story and has a will of his own regardless of the author’s plans.

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Год назад

      Tom is Tolkien.

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Год назад

      @@FortescueGimlet Incorrect.

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Год назад

      @@FortescueGimlet Ah, since you knew him so well; I guess I have to bow to your direct empirical knowledge.
      (Not!)

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Год назад

      @@FortescueGimlet My point exactly. You have none, I have none; you're opining the same as me, so piss off and quit acting like you actually possess knowledge.

  • @friend_trilobot
    @friend_trilobot Год назад +11

    This is the best analysis of his thematic function in the story I've heard yet, and it gives a solid reason why he does contribute a lot to the story's themes, even if he isn't as plot important
    And I will say though i have no idea how to categorize bombadil within a hard worldvuilding framework in the context of LOTR fandom, I can give a good guess about what he seems to have been to Tolkien: a pre-existing but beloved OC, that was likely deeply meaningful to him (if only for his thematic elements) that he couldn't resist inserting into this more solidified and serious story. I write only for fun despite an English degree, but I've done more or less the same in stories with my characters. I have an enigmatic wood god that frequently appears in my stories, who is inspired by the god pan as depicted in wind in the willows mixed with my own experiences playing alone in the woods as a young child, and those who see him have a mystical experience and feel both fear and awe, and feel like a frightened animal and a sage seeing beyond the pale. And anytime this horned god can be slotted into my stories, a manifestation of him will inevitibly appear, simply bc he captures something about nature and life that I haven't been able to grapple with or represent as directly or meaningfully through any other means. I imagine Bombadil could be similar to Tolkien, and (barring all else) Tom being a part of the LOTR world takes him from being a whimsical figure that could exist anywhere and anywhen to being a mysterious but canonical part of LOTR lore, slotted vaguely into its history and world

    • @ZorlanOtterby
      @ZorlanOtterby Год назад +1

      Ah, someone else who sees The Piper at the Gates of Dawn in Bombadil's character! I see both as representing direct contact with The Mystery of life. Even the gods of Tolkien's world have a mechanistic, cause-and-effect existence, but Tom Bombadil simply *is*.

  • @Jolansodan
    @Jolansodan 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this video - I have not yet read the books but I have seen the movies a few times and have played LOTRO for a few years. Your explanation hits the nail on the head for me and really clears up a bit of mysticism by, strangely enough, giving it more mystery. Tom is in the online game and honestly is really well done. Like you describe it's this wonderful separate world untouched by the rest. They seem to have captured all that you said - even while keeping the singing. I never fully understood it and have even heard others philosophize on how powerful Tom is and what kind of god-like-thing he may be. But the concept of nature - of being outside the rest of the world - really struck a cord. Nice job.

  • @rinkinkel
    @rinkinkel Год назад +24

    If fans still wonder, like Frodo, who Tom Bonbadil is, Tolkien has done his job well.

  • @michaelhubbell1260
    @michaelhubbell1260 Год назад +9

    Tom is an awesome character just because he is a rain of sunshine in an otherwise stressful part of the story - he gives the reader (and Frodo w/ squad) a much needed breather

    • @beaufryer2042
      @beaufryer2042 Год назад

      I think you mean a ray of sunshine 😂

  • @dustintribbett
    @dustintribbett Год назад +6

    Thank you! When I first read LotR (as a child) he was (and still is) my favorite character. You did an outstanding job (better than I) in explaining him (and his wife). Thank you again!😀

  • @rudewalrus5636
    @rudewalrus5636 9 месяцев назад

    Very nice discussion of an interesting bit of the LOTR. I absolutely loved your rendering of Tom's singing; it really brings Tolkien's poetry to life in a way that I personally find hard to reach just by reading the page. You also have a lovely singing voice. Bravo!

  • @itisyerdad
    @itisyerdad Год назад +4

    I like your take on Tolkien lore also being focused on themes and storytelling. A lot of “lore channels” for books, shows, video games, etc all focus entirely on the surface level details and ignore that these are stories that are designed to have allegory, subtext, and so on.

  • @Happyheretic2308
    @Happyheretic2308 Год назад +71

    Tom’s sadness about the barrow hoard and his memories of the lady who wore the blue stone brooch always make me cry.

    • @chuckdargy5031
      @chuckdargy5031 Год назад +10

      Always makes me wonder who "she" is.

    • @gib59er56
      @gib59er56 Год назад +14

      Holy shit!!! 40 years reading Tolkien and I never even really noticed that!! In fact "Fog on the Barrow Downs" is one chapter that for some reason I blaze thru. I have no idea why, but I do. When I read the Hobbit as a kid in 5th grade, LotR in Jr. High, The Silmarillion in H.S. and then grabbed every single thing Christopher kept putting out year by year and all things Tolkien, I read the Big Three, Hob, Lord, Sil. Beginning on Thanksgiving and ending with Christmas every single year, for roughly 40 years. I saw your comment and it hit me. I speed read that chapter every single time!! Wow, WTH? heh. Take care friend.

    • @Nu_Wen
      @Nu_Wen Год назад +6

      @@gib59er56 The fog messes with your thoughts while you're in it :P maybe it messed with yours too?

    • @gib59er56
      @gib59er56 Год назад +5

      @@Nu_Wen Fair enough!! That could be the case!!

    • @AnnieRegret
      @AnnieRegret Год назад +1

  • @myownreviews76
    @myownreviews76 Год назад +13

    Thanks for this, Jess! I struggled with Tom Bombadil, and eventually decided that Tolkien had set out to write another "The Hobbit" - a series of little adventures, and that's the reason for Tom. Later he realized that he had something much bigger on his hands, but didn't want to take Tom out. Your take on the character is wonderful, and it's not too much to say you redeemed him for me.

    • @Murdo2112
      @Murdo2112 Год назад +1

      I think that view is further borne out by the scene with the fox, who comes across Frodo, Pippin and Sam, sleeping under a tree.
      The brief glimpse into the internal, and very human, thoughts of the fox, is completely at odds with the writing style of the rest of the book.
      It seems a remnant of a more "Hobbit-like" style.

  • @DeeBeeTV2411
    @DeeBeeTV2411 3 месяца назад

    This was absolutely wonderful. Thanks for posting 🙏🏽💗xxx

  • @freyaforestmusic
    @freyaforestmusic Год назад +5

    Love how you interpreted him, how marvelous. Thank you that was awesome!

  • @sullycanuck120
    @sullycanuck120 Год назад +4

    I've just stumbled upon your work and I really like it a lot. I am in the middle of binge watching all your videos. I have been a fan of Tolkien's work since I first read The Hobbit as a young lad many decades ago. Take care and warmest regards from Canada.

  • @free4fire
    @free4fire Год назад +18

    Tom has always been such a fun character to theorize about, my personal theory is that he and his little realm were actually created by Eru Ilúvatar himself when Eru showed the Ainur how to make the music to create the world and living beings.
    Tom has traits of both Elves and Men so I believe the Ainur took inspiration from him when creating those two races.
    And for me it also explains as to why the ring had no effect on him (besides the ring being created by a clearly lesser being), or as to why he has so little interest in the happenings of the world, he simply wasn't really planned to be part of hit as he was not created alongside.
    And him saying that he was there before the first stone makes also sense here, if Eru first showed the Ainur how to create life by creating Tom, than he would have been there before the creation of Arda and thus be "the eldest".

    • @michaelcooper5677
      @michaelcooper5677 Год назад +3

      The Ainur did not create elves and men. They were created directly by Iluvatar. The Dwarves were created by a member of the Ainur but Iluvatar did not allow them to "awaken" till the elves had.

    • @free4fire
      @free4fire Год назад +2

      @@michaelcooper5677 True, I've worded what I wanted to say it kinda badly.
      Because from what I remember Eru instructed the Ainur to create elves and men but they still helped to sing/play them into existence following Eru's lead (might be wrong on this one though).
      Either way my headcanon still works since Iluvatar did show them how to create the music before they all went on to create Arda and the races in it.
      It also works in the sense that if we consider Eru to be a kind of stand in for Tolkien himself that he would create Tom before anything else since in real life the character of Tom also existed before the rest of the legendarium. :)

  • @aaronaragon7838
    @aaronaragon7838 9 месяцев назад

    Just subbed...I've been a Rings fan from 1971...over a half dozen readings, including the Jackson movies, and Ralph Bakshi's animated mess. I learned wonderful things from this video, and frankly, didn't give a hoot about TB.
    Now I see the nuance, and your singing captures the geist of the Age. Thank you.

  • @Mosux2007
    @Mosux2007 Год назад +82

    The first eight chapters of FotR in general, and Tom Bombadil in particular, may not "advance the plot", but they do show what kind of world the plot takes place in. That's why I like them.

    • @cult_of_odin
      @cult_of_odin Год назад +9

      World building is a lost art these days.

    • @stevemuhlberger
      @stevemuhlberger Год назад +1

      I have speculated about what would have been the impact of Tolkien if he had only written The Fellowship. It would certainly have a smaller audience, but I think it would have been considered an enigmatic masterpiece. When I last read LotR I wasn't motivated to read the rest. Imagine the scholarly and fan debates that would have taken place in that world! Imagine how different you and I and all Tolkien fans would be!

    • @MrMerryflu
      @MrMerryflu Год назад

      ​@@cult_of_odingame of thrones

  • @bchearne
    @bchearne Год назад +15

    The larger world-building aspects of The Lord of the Rings are part of what makes the work so special. The side trip with Tom Bombadil is one of my favorite sections in the series, in part because he contributes to the sense of an ancient and complex/unknowable world. I think it would be easier to have him in an animated version (old school, not digital animation) than in a live-action film because imagination has a freer hand in that context

  • @jamesmorton7852
    @jamesmorton7852 Год назад +36

    There is a line in the first book. During the council of Elrond. One of the Elves suggest that Tom could take the ring and hide it. Gandalf basically explains why it would a terrible idea. The he drops the line that Tom would the "Last to fall, just as he was the first to rise" - It begs the question as to who Tom is. My thought was that he was some aspect of Middle Earth itself. We know Gandalf goes to see Tom when he parts ways with the hobbits at the end. He is very vague about what they spoke about. Tolkien just left it there for us to ponder and wonder.

    • @legomaster9190
      @legomaster9190 Год назад +3

      I ones heard a theory that Tom Bombadill is actually the creator, Eru Ilúvatar, in a form of that looks that of a man. While it has some potential, I'm not entirely convinced of this either. Maybe it is as the saying goes. "Some mysteries are better left unsolved."

    • @MrBlaktoe
      @MrBlaktoe Год назад +7

      The ring has no meaning to Tom. He would be just as likely to leave it on the ground somewhere as anything else.

    • @penultimateh766
      @penultimateh766 Год назад

      Vala.

    • @TravisDoomGuide
      @TravisDoomGuide Год назад +4

      It’s also possible that Tom IS Middle Earth in an Avatar form.

    • @jonnyblamey
      @jonnyblamey Год назад +3

      I think he was one of those who sung world into being. A metaphysics Tolkien shared with Moondog, the world is song made flesh.

  • @ioofmoore5940
    @ioofmoore5940 9 месяцев назад

    Your insights are spot on, welcoming and thought provoking. Your singing voice very much fits your vistage.

  • @shorgoth
    @shorgoth Год назад +6

    My personal take on it is that he is probably Eru Ilúvatar living as a strange hermit. His disinterest in opposing Sauron is basically how he treated Morgoth each time he tried to disrupt the song, he doesn't confront and sees it as an integral part of the composition. The ring having no power over him also makes sense in that context, so is him being older than elves, or having a wife that's basically an embodiment of nature.

    • @b_g_c3281
      @b_g_c3281 Год назад

      @shorgoth _YESS!!!_ 🎯 _PRECISELY SO!!!_ 🎯

    • @jayeisner8849
      @jayeisner8849 Год назад +1

      Yep, just hanging out, enjoying a little corner of his creation😎

  • @blindmikeguard
    @blindmikeguard Год назад +7

    Just found you channel....great stuff! Well written, concise, and enjoyable, with a real appreciation for Tolkien and his work. Cheers!

  • @rushnafwadud
    @rushnafwadud Год назад +14

    I love how relaxed you were, sitting out in nature, talking about Nature himself. There’s a certain peacefulness to it all. Thank you. I’ll keep coming back.

  • @1235dsh
    @1235dsh 9 месяцев назад

    Nailed it. Also dead on about the movie. I was concerned about how they would handle Tom, and was glad to see they didn't try. Movie and book audiences have different time horizons for absorbing content, and therefore different expectations and needs. Well done!

  • @matthewwoolley4131
    @matthewwoolley4131 Год назад +52

    I’ve learned to love the Tom Bombadil chapters more and more over the years, but one thing I find most fascinating about him and his inclusion is the morality he represents. From all he’s shown, he very probably could have taken the ring to Mordor himself, singing all the way, and tossed it into Mount Doom without much trouble, but he doesn’t. People are fighting and dying to protect their homelands from evil, yet Tom is just chilling peacefully, staying out of trouble. From the perspective of some characters this could be seen as dishonorable, or even cowardly. But then there’s the opposite side of the debate, where Tom and his simple joys and love and care of nature could be the most virtuous traits one could aspire for. He’s his own personal paradise, in perfect harmony with his world, and as such has no place in trying to exert his will and dominion over others. And still yet, without those willing to sacrifice (ie Frodo and the rest of the cast), evil would have surely come to the Old Forest eventually. It’s a fascinating look on action vs inaction, peace and conflict, with no definitive right or wrong answer. But i think about it a lot each time

    • @sanjivjhangiani3243
      @sanjivjhangiani3243 Год назад +7

      What you are saying goes with the medieval idea of society needing both the monk and the knight to uphold it (Yes, I realize that Tom is married, but I am talking about his function rather than the details of his life). A warrior protected society from the outside. The monk would pray and study and uphold society from within. But each needs the other. Notice how Tom helps the Hobbits several times; he uses his powers to rescue them from the tree and the barrow-wight and then arms them with weapons from the barrow.

    • @yrtepgold
      @yrtepgold Год назад +1

      I never considered that Tom would be able to trot up Mordor and flick the ring into the lava like he was flicking a coin into a fountain. That's an interesting thought 😂. I wonder what he would do up there if he ran into an orc? It was pretty desolate, so he wouldn't be able to make a tree branch fall on their head.

    • @pcka12
      @pcka12 Год назад +5

      The reader is told that the ring is so irrelevant to Tom that he would make a hopeless keeper for it, so the idea of him being bothered to destroy it never arises - Tom is the Nature Spirit

    • @smokinhalf
      @smokinhalf Год назад +2

      I had always imagined that toms "power" came from the old forest itself, he was reluctant to leave.

    • @orsy_pyrrhic
      @orsy_pyrrhic Год назад +8

      "would he not take the ring and keep it there, forever harmless?" no said gandalf "not willingly he might do so if all the free folk of the world begged him but he would not understand the need and if he were given the ring he would soon forget it or most likely throw it away such things have no hold on his mind he would be a most unsafe guardian and that alone is answer enough"

  • @EmblemParade
    @EmblemParade Год назад +120

    I think Tom was a way for Tolkien to himself become part of his story. Tolkien's authorial position was deliberately not as a narrator but a reader, as the in-world premise was that other people in that world wrote the books and Tolkien just found and translated them. It's almost the opposite of the theory that Tom is Ilúvatar, the creator. Tolkien and Tom were not creators. They were merely observers of a world that existed in and of itself.

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Год назад +19

      This is a fascinating idea!

    • @jameshill2450
      @jameshill2450 Год назад +21

      If someone ever asked Tolkien a question about Middle Earth that he hadn't written about yet, he wouldn't say anything like "I'll think about that" or "I'll come up with something." It was "I'll find out," as though it was a truth that already existed and was waiting for him to research it.

    • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
      @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 Год назад +9

      The tree that falls in the forest always makes a sound because Tom Bombadil is there to hear it?

    • @thtadthtshldntbe
      @thtadthtshldntbe Год назад +6

      @@jameshill2450 thats part of the gimmick Tolkien used for the Legendarium. In the History of Middle Earth you can read the story of Eriol the Mariner, also called Aelfwine. He was a direct descendant of Earendil. In the 10th or 11th centuries (I forget which), he was allowed to travel the straight road to the Undying Lands and land on Tol Erresia. There the Elves told him tales and songs of the Elder days and the lost ages of the world. He came back and wrote all that down in old English. Eventually "Tolkien found it and translated it", which included among other things, The Red Book and other stuff".

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Год назад

      toms more like being outside or parallel to iluvatar - outside of any creation or creations of iluvatar - outside of the story. what sauron does wont affect him and neither will what anyone else does.

  • @papadawg3172
    @papadawg3172 Год назад +7

    I loved the character of Tom Bombadil. He does let us know that there is something beyond the powers that swirl around middle earth. And isn't there always something beyond our ken?

  • @timelessperspective
    @timelessperspective 11 месяцев назад +2

    This is unbelievably deep, but my sentiments are that you're right about nearly everything. I think that we are kindred spirits in that I've studied Jungian psychology and comparative mythology for the past 20 years. I got into Tolkien because of his depth of understanding in these realms. Tolkien doesn't seem to know everything about psychomythology, but he certainly has experienced the mythologies and philosophies of which he speaks, in a practical and very real sense. As expansive as my knowledge is, Tolkien makes me feel like an amateur theorist with no practical experience. He seems to have lived a full and complete life on his terms. I strongly feel he is the godfather of storytelling.

  • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
    @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 Год назад +12

    That’s the same conclusion my friend, Dr. Keith Mathison came to in his blog Light in Dark Places. Tom entered the world of Middle earth from outside it. (Mathison points out that Bombadil also embodied the characteristics of Francis of Assisi, whom Tolkien admired.) However, he did play one crucial role in LotR, which was to make it possible for Merry to acquire (unwittingly) the only weapon that could have defeated the Witch King. By omitting that plot point from the films, the undoing of the Witch King is left unexplained, and the themes of grace and providence are diminished.

    • @elliotvernon7971
      @elliotvernon7971 Год назад +5

      He also taught the Hobbits 'the ways of trees, and the strange creatures of the forest' - important lore which connects with Merry and Pippin's later friendship with Treebeard.

    • @rapid13
      @rapid13 Год назад

      Not unexplained. Jackson clearly pushed the idea that Eowyn killed him because she “is no man.”

    • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
      @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 Год назад

      @@rapid13, how does that explain anything?

    • @rapid13
      @rapid13 Год назад

      @@anatomicallymodernhuman5175 Seriously? I literally spelled it out. Here: Jackson did not leave the death of the witch king unexplained at all. He says, “You fool! No man can kill me!” And Eowyn, being a woman, retorts “I am no man.” Then he dies. There’s even a nice closeup of Eowyn driving her sword between crown and shoulders. There is also zero mention of the blade of Westernesse. The implication is clear to everyone except you I guess.

    • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
      @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 Год назад

      @@rapid13, if you a sex-based hypothesis explanatory for the ability to kill such a powerful being, you might need rethink.

  • @halfking1940
    @halfking1940 Год назад +8

    Could Tom B. simply be the embodiment of joy? In a world of constant decision making and good vs. evil, it seemed to me that Tom is joyous, not carefree, but without much worry. Simply living for the moment and enjoying life.

  • @upresins
    @upresins Год назад +83

    I always felt that Sauron's downfall began the moment Tom Bombadil handled the Ring, put it on, and did not vanish. At that moment, Sauron's doom was certain.

    • @96Logan
      @96Logan Год назад +5

      Oh that's a good point!

    • @ms0824
      @ms0824 Год назад +4

      Interesting 😮

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj Год назад +4

      Yes and no. The whole thing is in Silmarilion. Song of Iluvatar. Details might have varied depending on choices by created beings. But the arc of the universe was the song

    • @ullo-ragnartelliskivi4639
      @ullo-ragnartelliskivi4639 Год назад +4

      @Telleva anti-christ? :D. interesting that you put your religion into this world.

    • @BaritoneUkeBeast4Life
      @BaritoneUkeBeast4Life Год назад +1

      Actually as I see it Sauron's downfall and eventual doom started the moment he had the desire to control and dominate others when he could not even control himself. That was why he had already failed and lost the ring many generations before Good ol' Tom Bombadil even touched the ring.

  • @iamstan5251
    @iamstan5251 Год назад +6

    Wonderful exegesis! I believe an important key to understanding Bombadil can be found in JRRT’s allegorical autobiography, the short story Leaf by Niggle, about an obsessed painter: “There was one picture in particular which bothered him. It had begun with a leaf caught in the wind, and it became a tree; and the tree grew, sending out innumerable branches, and thrusting out the most fantastic roots. Strange birds came and settled on the twigs and had to be attended to. Then all round the Tree, and behind it, through the gaps in the leaves and boughs, a country began to open out; and there were glimpses of a forest marching over the land, and of mountains tipped with snow. Niggle lost interest in his other pictures; or else he took them and tacked them on to the edges of his great picture. Soon the canvas became so large that he had to get a ladder; and he ran up and down it, putting in a touch here, and rubbing out a patch there.” Bombadil is one of those other pictures tacked on to the giant canvas of Middle Earth.

  • @MarkVrankovich
    @MarkVrankovich Год назад +54

    Having a mystery like Bombadil helps with the longevity of the whole story, since curiosity is one of the engines of fiction. 500 years from now, when LOTR has become the prime myth of the English-speaking people, Tolkien scholars floating in their space universities will be holding class on Tom Bombadil.

    • @jorgealonso9792
      @jorgealonso9792 Год назад +3

      I think he's like their version of the one true God but that's just my take on it!

  • @craig.wadley
    @craig.wadley Год назад +4

    Young lady, your insight into this much loved character is extraordinary. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with the rest of us!
    Regarding translating Bombadil into a movie, TV show, etc... honestly I'm going to say that I hope they never try, at least not as anything more than the enigma he appears to be in LOTR. Maybe as a onetime appearance in an episode of the Amazon show or something like that, but they should never attempt to make Bombadil the focus of a longer storyline. It would inevitably ruin the mystery of the character, which is one of the best things about him.
    Unless...
    Imagine our hobbit heroes relaxing around a fire with a smoke and some ale, speculating about life, the universe, and everything... when one of them mentions old Tom. Each episode would be an impromptu speculation by one of half-inebriated hobbits, saying WHAT IF....
    Now THAT would be about the only way I could see it happening. It would be undoubtedly hilarious, and any story you like could be proposed, but not one of them would be definitive.
    I would pay a subscription to see that.

    • @nidh1109
      @nidh1109 Год назад +1

      It would be better than the Amazon thing".

  • @DerrickClaar
    @DerrickClaar Год назад +8

    I like the way you present this and your way of looking at it. I've always felt something very similar. Gandalf and Sauron for me were always the two sides of the Yin and Yang, and Bombadil was the line in between. Not unmoving, but definitely at the interface between the active, opposites.

  • @joelmitchell7597
    @joelmitchell7597 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks for including the info and pictures of the doll. That was a welcome and interesting insight that i likely would have never known.

  • @natie3322
    @natie3322 Год назад +10

    I liked him because he was a mystery that let us know that Middle Earth has more to it than the Hobbits know or can understand. I thought he was one of the earliest maiar who came to Arda and never went to Valinor. He wandered but found a place that would be perilous and became its guardian. Old man willow is dangerous, and even Goldberry would be dangerous without him. He set his borders and while he stays within them he is strong and the Master, and there he will stay to the end of Arda.