Megawatt Charging Made Possible? Nxu Factory Tour
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Sandy and Cory visit Nxu's headquarters in Arizona to see their megawatt charger in action and get a behind-the-scenes look at their battery production.
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0:00 A Nxu Name
9:12 Charging Cable Prototypes
14:44 Battery Production
21:41 Charging Demonstration
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Kudos to your camera girl Grace. She is very smooth and doesn't hesitate to get right in there for the great shots!
Thanks! 😁
Always nice to have a Munro vid to watch on the lunch break. Thanks folks.
Holy crap, that guy had 2 gallons of coffee before Sandy and Cory showed up.
@@Omnis2 So effin excited to show off their stuff
@@Omnis2watch him at .75 playback speed. Bro was wired.
@@chrisjohnson2065 I started the video at 1.5 and had to dial it back 🤣
Fascinating video Sandy and Cory. Appreciate NXU's generous sharing their process to build and test their batteries.
9:42 The moment Sandy contemplates the handle for all handles 😆
Sandy - I appreciate you so much!
Thanks, Fred!
There are electric ferries all over the world now and they sometimes use multiple CCS1 or CCS2 cables - Ie pull the ferry up, tie off, plug in a row of 4 CCS plugs. One 3MW plug would be sweet!
1000 volts DC at 1000 amperes liguid cooled contacts i hope
This guy is just off the set of “cocaine bear”
I was hoping to find this comment! TY
Actually Cocaine Bear 2, “METH BEAR”
I’m surprised that Sandy or Cory didn’t mention anything about NACS and changing the cable. Since Sandy raves about NACS. We’ll call them out!!
Dude is a sales man.... I'm more skeptical than impressed
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one looking for his white shoes! 🇨🇦
You should always be a little skeptical but he didn’t say anything that didn’t make sense. We’ll see what happens.
Great video. Its always fun to see Munro Live and what is comming up. I think things are ramping up fast. Really Nice that NXU really showed their company.
"A Nxu name" got a solid giggle from me. Good job.
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You are valuable people, for all the rest of the people, and I wish You the best!
Been watching NXU for years. About the time they moved out of a garage. They put out weekly videos. This was best video I have seen yet.
When did they change from Atlis? Recognized Mark Hanchet.
I love when Sandy gives people that "Don't BS me" look! I can't wait to be old. LMAO
I would’ve preferred that the NXU lead paid more attention to Corey too and answered the basic question of cable cooling.
I like chopped liver by the way, Icaught Corey do a forehead wrinkle or two.
19:46 Easter Egg...
37 kWh pack he just casually shoves aside.
I have a 57 kWh pack that is literally 8 times the size of that and weighs about 704lbs.
"Please do not tap on the glass" 😆
Im guessing its just an empty box. Not an assembled battery.
No that’s a normal
Size I’d say
When you accidentally pop 3 ritalin extra before Munro comes for a visit
When you need a salesguy to talk about prototypes you know it's not going anywhere
Sorry to say this, but US is switching from CCS to NACS. So isn’t this charging solution already outdated? Or am I missing something? 😮
Is it possible for them to adapt the NACS plug?
This may have been shot before that was announced. Regardless, the plug is just a plug. Their charging solution is more about the hardware on the other side of the cable, and the invisible software and resulting customer experience.
This plug puts out far more power than NACS is capable of. They could put a NACS on their stations for compatibility but they're focused on charging well over 1 megawatt.
@@GregHasslerACS supports 1MW (1000V at 1000A, the Tesla v4 superchargers support this)
@@GregHassler They showed two chargers. A 3MW specialty charger, and a 1MW-capable CCS charger... CCS and NACS are both "specced" to 1MW even if there are none actually deployed pushing that.
Always a good day watching your videos!
We like the way you think!
The NXU logo is genius!
Glad they had the truck investors’ money to pay for it!
I'm surprised nobody brought up the MCS charging standard. The MCS standard which is mostly finalized, defines a connector rated at 1250V and 3000A, or 3.75MW. Everyone will be adopting this standard, including Tesla. Similarly, CCS1 is dead. The NACS connector already handles significantly more current than CCS (over 600A), and the 1000V version has been tested at 1000A continuously. The V4 supercharger should be able to easily exceed anything CCS1 is capable of. It's only a matter of time until other EV manufacturers adopt NACS since it's quite clear none of the CCS networks can get their act together and there are serious reliability issues. I know there are numerous other charger manufacturers that are working on multi-megawatt chargers. Tesla has even installed a few for their semis, though AFAIK not with the new MCS v3.2 connector yet. It looks like the MCS 3.2 connector has been finalized. The current debate is over which communications protocol to use.
🙋♂️ THANKS SANDY,CORY AND THE MUNRO TEAM…🤗 for letting us know what’s NXU💚💚💚
Fascinating. Best of luck to them.
The manager sure can talk. 😅
Great video, and very informative! Thanks.
I didn't see Sandy or Cory getting excited and animated. Actually, they did very little talking. Might have been the pushy salesman presenter constantly patting themselves on the back. Maybe that battery production was at a lab/pre-ramp manufacturing phase and had no differentiating tech.
By their body language, they both looked uncomfortable and really had little comments at the end. NU or Atlis is pure vaporware.
@@Eric-xp1kl They kept making a big thing out of charging curves as if it was unique to them and had marketable value. The grid storage box was less than polished as it was welded steel structural girders with trex decking mounted at a 45-degree angle. Then they are handing Munro a CCS plug like it was special and they should be praising them. Munro visits everyone and the fact they weren't impressed with anything except backyard ingenuity with stuff like the Home Depot bucket couldn't be more telling. Your 100% right on the money with them being a scam it is criminal how they target unsavvy investors through social media. then change names and directives and branding completely after roughly 4-years when they didn't even have a prototype. I watched with the intention of being open-minded and changing my mind. What they showed was a cash-burning furnace acting like a research lab that had no proprietary tech being developed.
I was wondering if I was the only one getting those vibes.
@@chrisborns5972 I liked how the interviewer commented that that information was removed from competing systems. With how long it took him to look up the charging curves: it sounds like it is not put front-and-center.
"Lab Coats required beyond this point" cuts to guy in t-shirt and long beard... this is not a serious research company.
Thanks for this coverage. They seem to be doing alot of interesting things
Not to be negative, but compared to Amprius, they seem too-diversified/scatterbrained.
Jack-of all Trades? Master of Some? Time will tell.
@@TamagoHeadthere's more money to be made in energy storage and smart grid tech than fast-charging EVs. IMO. Hence all they do is related and have a business case. What's the words they use again? Eco Structure? It takes a long to bring a truck to market, so this other tech can bring in some IRA money while selling much need batteries.
@@pinomastroianni9320 I totally agree! I think there’s a hydro/solar mix dam that uses solar when sunlight is available, and hydro when not is running in Tibet.
LFP seems very promising, and as investment costs go down, it becomes easier to amortize/justify Solar for home owners.
Another nice video Munro Live team.
Nxu has the right attitude, make it happen now, do not wait. During the early days of the Covid-19 Pandemic, Ford, GM, and others seem to just roll over and accept supplies are just not available. Meanwhile, Tesla was figuring out how to use other chips to use and keeps things going. It seems companies that grow are the ones who do whatever it takes to make things happen, including making things they have never made before when needed.
These rapid charge speeds just adds more weight to the idea that battery swap stations are a waste of resources. This also means heavy duty EVs, such as the Tesla Semi will make more sense as well.
The gentleman who shows Sandy and Cory round his factory demonstrates how good Munro Associates are at communication. He needs to hire Cory for a day to help him organise his presentation skills. Sandy and Cory are my favourite double act on RUclips. Sorry I have not had time to watch the whole video. I need to get on with some work.
Agreed, also he needs to take a breath now and again. A couple of times I thought he might pass out as he didn't take a breath!
And at 1.75 it way worse 😅
Feel bad for those who invested in this company... I don't think they'll be around when Megawatt charging becomes a reality. How does a company transition from an automotive manufacturer (atlis motor vehicles) to a charging system vendor/ battery R&D?? Must be burning cash like crazy.
It is likely another fraud just like Atlis. Anyone investing in them clearly has not done their research.
*It's a smart move. Like instead of mining which cost a lot of money and time, just sell the supplies for mining. You get richer that way.* *That's what these guys are doing, selling the supplies so you can charge your EVs. They'll always be a market for that.*
@@radicalrick9587 They got a bunch of money to open a mine. Then after they got all that money they said, sorry we dont actually know how to do any mining at all, but we can sell our novel mining equipment. Then they covered up the mine with a big sign that says OPENING SOON with PICTURES of what appear to be rebranded pans and buckets over the windows and no signs of them being any closer to actually having novel products, or of them manufacturing any products novel or otherwise. I cant imagine any miners being excited about products they dont know anything about being sold in a store that doesnt look like its ever going to open. Also, where did this clunky mining anology come from? I see a bunch of people using it.
All these guys sound excited about their company. Like minded people can produce a great company
Same Atlis that had their stock drop 90%+?
"Custom solutions" ? Lol. The power modules and the CCS controller are coming from Phoenix Contact and the HVDC relays are coming from Hongfa.
Nothing really custom here, just an assembly of parts sourced elsewhere.
The CCS charger is really just about software and customer experience. Im guessing they really are only even doing that because OEMs cant build enough of them and they need to diversify away from their 3MW solution which only has niche applications.
damn this company seems awesome, what an upbeat startup
Love the LOGO Great design!!
He obviously didnt want to talk about the 1000amp contactor with what looked like 4/0 cables.
wow! sounds like lots of innovation & development ! also sounds like hours of hard work! congratulations!
I hope U'r able to maintain U'r abilities! good luck! super video Team Munro!
looks like U need a couple hundred West Virginians, keeping the production high!!
Wow that's impressive
During the beginning of the video, they apparently have tables on top of tables that work the same way as their Logo when flipped.
Great Interview 👍
Thanks for the interesting tour. and Opening The Doorway To. Understanding.
CSS is a bad format. Are they going to "upgrade" to NACS? [ps. Grace: Excellent job. TY Sandy for giving her credit. Excellent episode.]
Nope, they are not
@@charlesball6519 too bad. That's the death of Nx.
He sounds like Trevor Milton, I love is energy.
He sounds like Trevor. I hate his energy. I'm hoping he's nothing like Trevor.
That's not the compliment you think it is...
That "spike" is likely due to the lower output resistance of the battery upon charge initiation but then it increases as the battery accepts more current and likely gets hotter. It seems to me that the battery pack must be designed to accept a particular optimized charge program.
This as a primary video focus not unique to their company with really no marketability was very telling they lacked depth as an organization. If I knew Munro was coming I sure wouldn't showcase CCS and a prototype Trex battery box. That product was very 4th grade and they presented it as if they were delivering them to customers.
Or a sampling of the dV/dT, to measure state of chargeI. It could be done by sampling the pack or each cell, but dv/dt gives a better picture of SOC.
*WOW!*
All cells are just gone to get graded they will be back next week promise
Cory;....
"and Cory", ...i gotta tell you how funny this podcast is, ..to me.
The elements at the beginning and near the end are not really relevant to the podcast or the excellent content and products being developed by NXU,
but the tiny elements and the interaction of play in Your Productions are just ,...Mint.
Listening to yer Boss castigate you for your lack of sunglasses is, well, ...its HILARIOUS.
and near the finale of the cast the "and Cory",...well, you just can't teach that in s'cool.
I am so glad Your idea, has brought to me the insights of your LEADER, who i think was way ahead of his time, combined with your efforts and expertise in your field, the production of this podcast i find immensely satisfying.
Thank you for putting forth the effort the idea to bring this Show to us.
A bud of mine called one day...wanted to borrow an oscilloscope..Turns out it was needed as a prop to impress potential investors...Way back in the 1970's :-)
Much cheaper than a 5-axis mill!
@@patreekotime4578 He would have borrowed that too if I had one...he was running a scam on potential investors. Finally some ticked off investors came to his home, armed, and made a citizens arrest. The ultimate law enforcement in the country are its citizens by the way. We allow all law enforcement to do their job because of convenience...mainly...and technology has taken it out of the hands of most citizens...
Very interesting and informative
Didn't almost everyone choose to adopt the Tesla charging system last week?
That’s still for sub megawatt. MCS is still the game in town for megawatt charging afaik. Not that it’s out, but, it’s the only goal I’ve heard of.
This was likely recorded before that announcement. No doubt they are scrambling this week.
Sandy, is that investment advice? ”their stock is at $0.50 Cent you can buy some form your kids piggy bank”
Corey I’m surprised he didn’t edit that out of the video.😂🤣
Atlis was about to be delisted...hey, lets change our name...the Newly invented NU! Wait 6 months for the next change.
electrifying
The company is about 20 minutes north of here … should check them out!
super interesting video, but I was puzzled about the weird diamond shaped connector... From the title, I thought this would be about products in development for the Megawatt Charging System (MCS? with the triangular connector recently standardized?)
But this connector is way better. Probably doubling the cable
This is the company formerly known as Atlis Motors. Theyve had this design for years.
Will this be able to handle 3 phase power input from the grid?
I wish NU success.
Their stock was up over $200 on the second day of their IPO because they were promising an electric pickup.
It was up that high because it was a pump and dump.
Their stock is at 50 cents because they abandoned their promises to investors to build a truck. Something they had no experience doing and realized they weren't going to succeed doing
No, it was at 27.5. Anything higher was fake because they did a DPO, not an IPO. There were literally no shares available to sell so the pressure was up. Learn more.
I see lots of R & D, but how do they make money? Is it through custom batteries and charging equipment? Do they plan to make high power chargers for semi’s and ships?
Through their IPO of course!
Narrator: They don't.
Donations from gulible morons
upvoted!
Interesting, hope this all goes somewhere!
Based on this company's history, down the drain
Key point: as Mark said, the infrastructure is at least 2 years away from being able to deliver the present needs for EV charging, let alone future needs as the EV fleet expands.
With the Federal incentives to buy EVs it is logical that the government has not ensured the infrastructure needed to "fuel" the fleet is in place BEFORE the demand outstrips the supply - but then again, it is the government, and they only exist to solve problems, particularly those of their own making...
Most EV charging is done at home. The non-home charging infrastructure will develop along with the demand. They’re weren’t gas stations all over the place before everyone was buying an ICE vehicle.
And these guys are what? Another 5-10 years away from delivering out-of-date hardware? No doubt their move to charging was inspired by the Federal incentives.
Mathew Vachaparampil is able to do a SCAN of vehicles to CAD models instead of teardowns.
Welcome to Arizona. Supposed to be 110 in Scottsdale, Today.
Now, maybe you guys could do a video explaining what all that meant.
You might want to go back some earlier videos or go to some other channels to get the basics. Sandy and Corey aren't ones to rehash the simple stuff
Great video, but I think the presenter guy needs more coffee.
Someone needs to reduce his charging rate
Add the "Munro Effect" to price upswings on specific stocks.
Cory: To paraphrase Elon Musk, The best sunglasses are no sunglasses!
Completely untrue of course. Unless you enjoy getting regular cataract eye surgery, like my late father, and brother who didn't bother wearing sunglasses.
@@tomlewitt but a funny joke in this case…
@@DishNetworkDealerNEO Yes you're right. 'Elon talk' lol. There are many variations of it!
... isn't that the Atlas CEO
Walk through a development shop interesting.
Just showed a prototype battery manufacturing lab.
Just showed a few connectors. Good they are making CCS1 simpler
No battery construction details just marketing hype
No charger construction details just marketing hype
Could the charging spike be their control loop not being tuned properly, since it shows up on every vehicle?
Is their big connectors cable cooled at 1MW at 1000V it would carry 1000Adc. As an example a 000Awg wire at 500A has a 100degC temp rise, my table does not go to 1000A
He mentioned that the charging cables were liquid cooled.
Mark peaked from the start and did not tail off at all
Yes he is running at 200kW all the time
Sandy, the best video! I know nothing about this technology, but it gives me hope. I'd still like to see where the power is generated. You know, way back at the start. What are they doing to handle all the new cars and trucks that are coming.
Kinda a burn at the end, Sandy!
Closed at 0.55 today, up 9%.
Every company now says vertically integrated
Yeah the boss is upstairs
wasn't the 2nd guy that stepped in from Atlas trucks?
Where are the sprinklers in those containers with the batteries? Sometimes innovation is a euphemism for not meeting code.
Like that submarine
Would you expect, going forward, that coolant-water-cycle might become an interesting value-addition to the "hyperfast-charging" plug?
I can imagine that, at 1MW, even with 98% efficiency, there shall be 20kW heating in the pack. If misuse and damage-claims weren't an issue, this would make sense in a heartbeat.
Hook this Lab Experiment to an 800V Porsche Taycan and see how fast it charges. Spoiler alert: not so fast. One of the first recalls was to drastically reduce the initially clamed charging of the Taycan to keep the life of the batteries somewhat reasonable. There is an inverse relationship of the rate of charge and number of charges / useful life of the battery. That's why, as he accidently acknowledged, the vehicles have the "Charger" control so the vehicle manufacturers can control the rate of charge to achieve reasonable life of the battery.
And its exactly why I doubt their claims of being able to charge at 3MW at any point in the state of charge with their (not finalized chemisty??) batteries. He seems to be saying that cooling is the only trick... and sure, maybe that prevents the battery from blowing up while charging it... but absolutely no mention or even aknowledgement of the life-span of their cells with repeated 3MW charges. Im very skeptical.
@@patreekotime4578 The best cooling for automotive batteries is Tesla's and they have said many times that faster charging is possible, but at the expense of life. They have enough data to give an 8 year 100,000 mi+ warranty now. Who else has this? This whole video is NXU looking for $$$ to stay alive.
@@shazam6274 "This whole video is NXU looking for $$$ to stay alive." Mark Hanchett reminds me of Trevor Milton, not exactly the same but similar in certain business ways. Something stinks about Atlis and NXU similar to Nikola Motor. I could be wrong but time will tell.
@@bwoods22wf Well, he did shove that battery out of the way, but it stopped because the floor did not have enough slope. 😂
I have to question their in-house megawatt charging connector. Have they looked at MCS? I believe the MCS connector is smaller than their connector and it is rated for 3.75MW, 3000A, and 1250V. While it is still not finalized, it is quite far along in the process which will be finalized next year. The MCS connector is being designed by a consortium of companies, including Tesla, and from what I can see it looks like they have learned from the past mistakes of the CCS1 abomination. Their continued push for CCS1 is also a mistake. It's fairly clear that CCS1 is going to die and be replaced by NACS. The NACS connector is also capable of handling far more power. They keep talking about 200A. Tesla is already pumping over 600A through their NACS connector and there is a version rated at 1000V and they have claimed that they have tested the connector for 1000A continuously. They claim they're the only ones fully vertically integrated when Tesla has been demonstrating their integration for years. They build their own chargers and everything related to them and have by far the cheapest installation cost. It's already known that Tesla's chargers are far, far cheaper than the competition at under $50K/stall for 250KW. I don't think it will cost significantly more for them to up the output to 500KW by moving to their 1000V connector nor do I think doubling the power output of their charger will cost twice as much, and even if it does, it's still far cheaper than $500,000.
I also really need to question their claim of constant high-C charging even at high states of charge. Sure, you can do that if you don't care about frying the battery. There's more than just temperature involved in needing to reduce the charge rate in order to prevent the graphite from getting clogged up with lithium or the electrolyte breaking down. They have my BSometer pegged.
"Please do not tap on the window, battery techs are sensitive" - LOL, what a great sign!😀
So we have the new MCS Standard with finished connector. In development since 2018 with many companies and CharIN and finished last year. Then we have Tesla as member of CharIN but who knows what they will use for the Semi.... And here we see... another connector... Yeah, next battle between standards incoming, thats what we need to move forward.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
I knew I've seen this before...Kyle was here!
This is so fun, what a charismatic CEO :)
Fine line between charismatic and bullshitter.
Dam you guys where here in Phx area bummer.
Curious just how innovative Cory and Sandy think their process or current level of progress is. Not to sound harsh, but it seems like a very low-tech operation and I am left curious if that is just the point in their existence that they are at. Claiming high C-rate without stating cycle life is kind of meaningless.
Why was my bullshit detector going off during this entire video?
I hope I’m wrong, but this 13:00 guy reminds me of Trevor Milton. Very Glib
Looks like they are missing the NACS bandwagon.... If they're ready to push 1 to 3 megawatts of power to the cable and they are afraid that the NACS standard isn't/won't be up to the challenge, they should contact Tesla's engineering team to see about pushing the NACS standard forward to accommodate the next level of charging speeds ....
They have zero plans on going to NACS, because CCS is a standard and NACS is not, according to them.
@@charlesball6519 Apparently, the definition of the word standard is relative ... Or perhaps it just hasn't been standardized
Not just NACS, they're also missing the MCS bandwagon. MCS looks like they learned from the CCS1 abomination and looks like a sane connector rated at 3.75MW. Not only that, it's a standard that will be adopted by everyone, including Tesla.
CHAdeMO 3 already supports 600A, 500kW.
@@aaronwilliams1249 Looks like the Megawatt Charging System is designed for commercial vehicles like airplanes, boats, and semi trucks. It won't be used on personal vehicles.
Is it just me, or did they only talk about CCS? It appears we are headed to NACS.
9:12 is this contactor made in China?
Looks like the USA could use a domestic transformer manufacturing company or 5.
I'm curious about Sandy's comment 26:18 about not charging to 100%, and saying he did not not even do that with an ICE car.
Did he mean he did not use the full range because he would fill-up at 1/4 tank? Or did he actually mean he did not fill to capacity? If the latter, I would love to understand why as I can't think of reasons other than some very specific situations. Sandy knows more about cars than I could ever hope to.
I do that as a dollar-cost average thing. Put in a fixed cost ($20-$30) every time the fuel light comes on.
If gas is cheap: you get more. If gas is expensive you get less.
Also less weight to drive around with: but cleaning out the trunk/checking tire pressure probably has a larger effect.
And 1/2 tank gets me used to the range of small battery EVs.
Most manufacturers recommend not to rapid charge over 80% or to drain your battery below 20% before rapid charging. There are two reasons: firstly, because of the charging curves, the last 20% of the battery will charge the slowest, so if you are road-tripping you will get there faster doing shorter stops more often than waiting to charge to 100% for an hour every single time. Secondly, rapid charging from a very low state of charge or a very high state of charge is directly associated with battery degredation. So if you want your battery to last a long time the best thing is to never rapid charge, or if you do, only do it in the 20-80% range. Experienced EV drivers know to expect to use dramatically less range between charging stops than what the vehicle is advertised. The ONLY people who constantly drive EVs to the advertised range are journalists and RUclipsrs pretending to be journalists.
The fact that this CEO is saying he ALWAYS rapid charges to 100% means he doesnt care how long the battery lasts in his car... or that he doesnt actually even drive an EV and hes just full of it.
In ICE cars, everyone has a different philosophy... Some people keep it constantly topped up, some people only put a few gallons in, and some people go from empty to full every time. It is generally NOT recommended to let your tank run dry all of the time because rust and contaminants from the bottom of the tank can get into the fuel lines and clog the filter.
@@patreekotime4578 Right.
I was really only wondering if Sandy avoided full fill-up, as I have never heard of a physical/mechanical reason to avoid it
Atlas guy!!!
Well I have no idea what i just watched. This is way over my knowledge base. Cory looking nice and slim keep up the running. Sandy gives me Einstein vibes a lot of the time.
NxU used to be Atlis trucks, I am assuming they had to change direction to be profitable
Even now, you'd hope so. I feel terrible for people who bought their stock at $20. 95% losses.
Ahhh, was wondering how they compared to other companies claiming high C rate charging... turns out they are that other company. That puts this whole video into a totally different light.
@@Omnis2I sold my stock as soon as I could. Bought the 30 shares when it was something like $3/share. Sold it after the IPO, after it dropped to about $6 or $7
lets get that stock back to 9+ / sh
This NXU company is all talk. Throwing out jargon to confuse us, but Sandy and Cory are smarter than that
They can make fancy speaker cables😂
Very interesting but as it has been said ... this guy makes coffee nervous... lol
Look at the size of that cable.
What do all startups name their companies Nu-something