Thank you Dr. Moore for your thoughtful selections of guests. I’m so appreciative of the insights shared here, along with your voice of reason. ~ I too read the NYT interview the David Brooks conducted with Steve Bannon, and share your sentiment. i’ve been brokenhearted to see some of my friends & friends from evangelical communities embrace the “win at all cost” ideology. I truly value your work in this podcast. Thank You!
I am grateful for this conversation, and I deeply agree that we need artists (“poets”) to help us imagine our way to a unifying vision. I’ve just returned from the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. There is so much power in good theater. I would love for both you and Dr. Hunter to chat with the Artistic Director there.
Good morning from the SF Bay Area. Thank you for another thoughtful conversation. I will never agree with the anti-choice, anti-family planning stance, but I find that overall we land on the same ground. As an old leftie I have been very disappointed with some of the results of our overly open minded politics. I have long been critical of the all too common atheistic or at best spiritual ambiguities of the left. I and my husband have predicted that these tendencies would eventually backfire. Jesus said to love God with all your heart and treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated, therein lies all the law. I would have liked to have heard this conversation after the shooting incident. Blessings.
You weren’t listening very closely to Hunter, Moore, if you have to find a villain (Bannon in this case). Hunter was entirely correct about secularization both within and without the church. Unless your head is in the sand, you surely see that we are in the midst of the 1619 Project, a reorganization of what Hunter in other places calls the “high culture.” All our institutions from Harvard to Hollywood to religion to the press to the corporate boardroom are being reorganized on the basis of identity and “equity.” You have no empathy if you don’t understand that ordinary non-elite Christians in the pew have few avenues left, politics, however inadequate, being one of them.
"Secularization within the church" means adopting exactly the attitude that you have taken on here. Ordinary non-elite Christians have few avenues left? For what? To accomplish what? Nothing in all the world prevents any one of us from loving God and forgiving our neighbors. We have received no other commandment. Secularization of the church refers to Christians who are tempted to create a War Jesus, as if he came to earth for the purpose of nation-building and defeating his "enemies." It means that, instead of following Jesus' teachings, we are succumbing to the temptations that he explicitly rejected, like ruling over all the earth. Loving our brothers as ourselves is hard. We often feel under attack by them. It is difficult to understand that they feel under attack by us. It does not matter that we are innocent (if we are); what matters is that we break the cycle of attack-counterattack-counter-counterattack- ad infinitum. That is the message of Jesus, and we don't want to do it. We want to say that we are right and they are wrong; that they are dangerous, and we have to fight them. Jesus said, Stop being afraid, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and forgive those who are unjust toward you. Look, he said, I'm even going to let them torture me to death, and I'm going to forgive them while they're doing it! I agree that the whole political situation looks the way you described it. I speak quite openly with all my friends of any race/gender/sexuality about my perceptions of these things, and I vote accordingly. But spiritually, there's a place where a Christian has to draw a line in his idea of how much any of this matters to the love of God. I think "Moore" has understood "Hunter" better than you did, and that his interpretation of the most correct Christian response was exactly right. Even if I understand your anger. I'm not above being flabbergasted by all these things, myself....
@@jenniferabel2811 Secularization has indeed infected politics as it has the rest of our institutions and their culture-making. A question is whether Moore and other more progressive Christian thought leaders, such as Pete Wehner, David French, Kristin DuMez, and Bob Jones at PRRI are not speaking as prescriptively as descriptively about our Exile. There is a celebratory tone used as if these guys have discovered a shiny new toy. Of course we’ve never been a Christian nation! Jesus alone is king. But there has been more support from our institutions and culture, what Reformed people call common grace and Wesleyans call prevenient grace.
Of course, Christianity has its own culture, and it is at root often not much differently motivated than secular culture. I speak as one who has been in the cesspools of Christianity with the sex-crap, cover-ups, mind-control and so forth.
I have forwarded this to three favorite church leaders. The information and hope within is strengthening as well as calming
One of the most "enlightening" guests you have had. Thank you.
I am not an American but I found it really helpful to understand what is going on in the US. Thank you for the courage to have this conversation.
Thank you Dr. Moore for your thoughtful selections of guests. I’m so appreciative of the insights shared here, along with your voice of reason. ~ I too read the NYT interview the David Brooks conducted with Steve Bannon, and share your sentiment. i’ve been brokenhearted to see some of my friends & friends from evangelical communities embrace the “win at all cost” ideology. I truly value your work in this podcast. Thank You!
I am grateful for this conversation, and I deeply agree that we need artists (“poets”) to help us imagine our way to a unifying vision. I’ve just returned from the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. There is so much power in good theater. I would love for both you and Dr. Hunter to chat with the Artistic Director there.
Thank you both for this deep conversation.
Good morning from the SF Bay Area. Thank you for another thoughtful conversation. I will never agree with the anti-choice, anti-family planning stance, but I find that overall we land on the same ground. As an old leftie I have been very disappointed with some of the results of our overly open minded politics. I have long been critical of the all too common atheistic or at best spiritual ambiguities of the left. I and my husband have predicted that these tendencies would eventually backfire. Jesus said to love God with all your heart and treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated, therein lies all the law. I would have liked to have heard this conversation after the shooting incident. Blessings.
I am not Christian, thankfully, but I respect Russee Moore and enjoy his interviews.
Oh…my…goodness. Well reasoned and explained.
You weren’t listening very closely to Hunter, Moore, if you have to find a villain (Bannon in this case). Hunter was entirely correct about secularization both within and without the church. Unless your head is in the sand, you surely see that we are in the midst of the 1619 Project, a reorganization of what Hunter in other places calls the “high culture.” All our institutions from Harvard to Hollywood to religion to the press to the corporate boardroom are being reorganized on the basis of identity and “equity.” You have no empathy if you don’t understand that ordinary non-elite Christians in the pew have few avenues left, politics, however inadequate, being one of them.
"Secularization within the church" means adopting exactly the attitude that you have taken on here.
Ordinary non-elite Christians have few avenues left? For what? To accomplish what? Nothing in all the world prevents any one of us from loving God and forgiving our neighbors. We have received no other commandment.
Secularization of the church refers to Christians who are tempted to create a War Jesus, as if he came to earth for the purpose of nation-building and defeating his "enemies." It means that, instead of following Jesus' teachings, we are succumbing to the temptations that he explicitly rejected, like ruling over all the earth.
Loving our brothers as ourselves is hard. We often feel under attack by them. It is difficult to understand that they feel under attack by us. It does not matter that we are innocent (if we are); what matters is that we break the cycle of attack-counterattack-counter-counterattack- ad infinitum.
That is the message of Jesus, and we don't want to do it. We want to say that we are right and they are wrong; that they are dangerous, and we have to fight them. Jesus said, Stop being afraid, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and forgive those who are unjust toward you. Look, he said, I'm even going to let them torture me to death, and I'm going to forgive them while they're doing it!
I agree that the whole political situation looks the way you described it. I speak quite openly with all my friends of any race/gender/sexuality about my perceptions of these things, and I vote accordingly. But spiritually, there's a place where a Christian has to draw a line in his idea of how much any of this matters to the love of God.
I think "Moore" has understood "Hunter" better than you did, and that his interpretation of the most correct Christian response was exactly right. Even if I understand your anger. I'm not above being flabbergasted by all these things, myself....
@@jenniferabel2811 Secularization has indeed infected politics as it has the rest of our institutions and their culture-making. A question is whether Moore and other more progressive Christian thought leaders, such as Pete Wehner, David French, Kristin DuMez, and Bob Jones at PRRI are not speaking as prescriptively as descriptively about our Exile. There is a celebratory tone used as if these guys have discovered a shiny new toy. Of course we’ve never been a Christian nation! Jesus alone is king. But there has been more support from our institutions and culture, what Reformed people call common grace and Wesleyans call prevenient grace.
Of course, Christianity has its own culture, and it is at root often not much differently motivated than secular culture. I speak as one who has been in the cesspools of Christianity with the sex-crap, cover-ups, mind-control and so forth.
Are you still voting for comrade Kamala dr Moore?