Monometals Vs Bimetals
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2016
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When starting out the production of this video, I anticipated it would be more of a comparison, but now it seems it's morphed into a video more like "what to consider when buying a Bimetal." Considering most of you guys already are familiar with Monometals, I thought this video would still add value and hence the name.
That being said I'm not quite happy of how this video suits the title so somewhere down the line, I'll probably do a more objective comparison with the two where I evaluate their spin times and differences.
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I feel like the reason the majority of world champs use monometals is because they're basically advertising for their signature model or promoting whatever their sponsor wants them to promote. The casual player doesn't want to spend $100-200 for a yoyo just because a world champ uses it. They're going to go to YYF and spend $45 on a Shutter.
or they're going to magicyoyo or some other unknown chinese stuff and spend 10$ on node or something
some turn to plastics cause gentry proved that you can win at least national competitions with one of them
I agree. Most beginner yoyo players who have used only 1-3 yoyos think that thier shutter is superior to everything else when all they've tried is 1-3 yoyos. The point I'm trying to make is that people who claim the shutter is the "best yoyo" haven't tried a decent yoyo.
I swear, his pink yoyo in the background is flying
xTLEBOYx it's magic
xTLEBOYx I see that too.
moonman_v I'm never unseeing that
xTLEBOYx I also see it too.He’s from Hogwards
@@pipledo5615 😁
Brandon, don't pull your punches. Call out some of the bi-metals you think aren't worth it.
Agreed! I was waiting for him to call some out, but alas.
Could you do a video on your top yoyos in the plastic category, Monometal category and bimetal category
Just from my own experience, I have had two bimetals. I bought a space cowboy a while back and can't say I was a huge fan. It felt way to heavy. I later got a 2sickyoyos Knight and it is great! Perfect, super smooth! I am really liking it.
AWESOME VIDEO MAN!I love all of your content
hey Brandon. my new magic yo-yo n8 just came in. but how do you. the small nots out of the string
fast forward to 2018, evan won worlds with a bimetal, edge beyond
U r from future ?
@@mikomiko993 look at when this comment was made and when this video was made
@@cedr7c :(
Totally agree with you. you should do a video about bi-metal alternatives that are cheaper
7 years & we're still on this train...
Brandon can you do a video on your favorite players and freestyle s
For those that would want to experience a bimetal to say that they've experienced them, what bimetal would you suggest? What bimetal really makes a difference or is really exceptional?
hey brandon, i really encourage you to try the lapaz yoyo. its by a company named yj yoyo, and its a korean comoany so its probably hard to get, but if you can, get it. i really liked it andnit olays nice
Brandon what should i get, Bi- metal superstar, the civility, the jack knife, the expedition, or do you have anything else you would recommend in that price range?
I'm not Brandon, buit of the 4, the Jackknife is more "fun" (it's floatier and faster), while the other three are more about raw performance. Other yoyos I'd recommend? The Terrarian, Atlas (which is also good for 5A) and Manatee if you want to try something wider, the Compass is also a great yoyo, the Rebirth if you want to try something undersized. Oh and Banshees are supposed to be really great if you can get a glitch one (which might have a little bit of vibe, but G2 has such high quality standards that it will be minimal).
I have a yyf nightmare and vs its mono counterpart it's a marginal difference but noticeable. Yes not really planning on dropping serious cash for the super expensive bi metal because it is "bi metal"
How many top level competitors are using H and W shapes? It seems to not be a very popular choice, where as the "Horizon/Shutter" style seems more commonplace at least to my limited scope of knowledge.
The Shutter and Horizon are both H shaped yoyos. Many technical players use this shape. Think Takeshi Matsuura (Colony), Zach Gormley (Borealis), Harrison Lee Orca), etc. In terms of W shapes, they're less common, but I would definitely say Evan Nagao (Edge) and Luis Enrique Villasenor (Aviator) use these shapes. I'm not sure what to consider a Draupnir though so you might wanna add Iori Yamaki, Jakub Dekan and Yusuke Otsuka to that list. Overall though I'd say V shapes are the most popular (they make up about half the worlds finals yoyos.
can you make a video about your collection for this yeah?
Brandon,have heard of topyo Neptune? it uses three types of material to make that yoyo,you should check that out.The company is just at Malaysia,quite near to australia
The Neptune only uses two materials and also Top Yo is based in China not Malaysia.
Oops my bad,Topyo is based in China but Neptune does made up of three materials Stainless steel,Derlin and aluminium i think
No source I've seen says it's part delrin.
Great video Brandon! I prefer monometals, my favorite is my TiShutter :)!
And I'm here loving the crap out of my 2012 Northstar...
can you do a colliction update
brandon can you do a review of too hot and shuta yoyo
Will you do a yoyo collection video this year?
BestOfLuck i see yuo everytiem so siek dis if yuo agree
toprakcem savas mhm
I have a replay pro. I'm a beginner and ready to take another step up cuz I'm beginning to get better at tricks. Any recommendations for a new yooo that isn't overpriced??
It depends. What's your budget? What are you shipping limitations (what country do you live in)? What characteristics do you want this yoyo to have? Do you have any preferences in shape and/or size?
nictheperson I'm in the Us and looking for a unresponsive yo yo under 70$ but a good quality
Um, still a little vague.
It was either 49.99 for horizon/shutter or 59.99 for iceberg / Marco.
I went with silver marco
this video is really good because it uncovers the yoyo company scams ; thanks Brandon
How is any of this a scam?
nictheperson company s are selling yoyo for twice the price but the yoyo s aren't ant better
+Gabriel Maja Brandon never said the yoyos aren't better, you completely misunderstood the video. Oh and pricing something high even though it isn't that good is not a scam. By that logic, pretty much every premium manufacturer of yoyos (CLYW, YYR. sOMEThING, etc.) is a scam because their products aren't as good a value. Heck, by that logic all metal yoyos are a scam because they aren't twice as good as plastics. A scam is when you lie about the product you're selling, and since performance is so subjective, no company has ever truly done that.
Really useful.. thanks
Guys can you please tell me where to buy a protostar
Bi metals all day
but bi metals dont handle dings well
But they are mostly better all round
they're not necessary
But they look much better
Ed N the bi metal look can be achieved on monometals
Im still deciding on a yoyo but, should I get the
Horizon
Shutter
Aluminum Dream
Czech Point
Genesis or
Regen?
Fakeh horizon
Horizon for stressful and extreme tricks, Aluminium Dream for speed tricks, Shutter for in between
if ur beginner get horizon if u want somthing fun get alumnium dream
Fakeh shutter or horizon
Hi Brandon i'm an intermediate yoyo player and thinking of getting a shutter. Should i get it?
Brendon Roberts go buy one. Its worth the money
Ok thank you
so does the magicyoyo stealth you get feels like monometal?
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@@ramonuzzielaguilaralmendar357 Are you okay?
I just ordered a magicyoyo silencer, but I was wondering if it is a bimetal
Ollie Jacques Nah. The rims are just a different color
What is the best yoyo you think
Didn't know about yyj suing Werdd! That's nuts. Do you know how that works now that everyone is making them?
+Jc Pinedo Firstly, YoYoJam is out of business. Secondly, YoYoJam can only really pick on small companies using their fairly vague patent. With like every big company making them, there's nothing they can really do.
nictheperson I know they went out of business. Just wondering though.
Love your vids
Review the yyf Pragma!
i only own mono metals so i have no clue what it is like to throw a bi-metal but i have been thinking about getting the edge by yoyo factory
yoyo ayldey Fierce beacon and aircut are Bi metal the price is $20/22
Can you please make a yyf horizon vs yyf Czech point
Czech Point plays faster, feels more comfortable in the hand and is better for more tricks, the Horizon spins longer, is more stable, is better for grinds and is better for extreme tricks. That's all you need to know.
Bi-metal just like a brand handbag while monometal just like normal handbag. Both can do the same thing. Only appearance are different
That would be really nice
you should review the ethos
please make a review for the axis ex
Qaptain Qualuntium yeah
what yoyos are tri metals
Brandon, i like your hair, it looks great and great vid!
Hajime and takeshi both use bimetal yoyos
how do u get these yoyos for free can u make a vedio of that
Awesome video. This video make a lot of sense lol
His yoyos keep moving on the shelf
I really wanna buy the iyoyo steel, but after watching this video, I'm in doubt, but whatever, I will buy it anyways probably.
Great video Brandon by the way!
For example the superstar was a typo with extra metal
im a beginner and i dont know whats bi-metal and whats monometal. i only have a plastic yoyo(Replay pro)
bi metals have heavier metal rims on the outside, and are made from 2 different metals.
In ur 600 like 😎
Hey which is the best god like yoyo bi/mono metal and under 35$
It just hit me one drop did bimatel before yoyo jam.
The thing I find problematic about bi-metals besides their overpriced-ness is their fragility. For example, I have a YYF Nightmare. Cool yo-yo, was great new, but, a yo-yo is something you throw at the ground. Long story short, the steel rings got knocked loose and it vibed like crazy. I've since popped them back in, but its not as smooth as it once was.
Conversely, I have a Shu-Ta that has gone everywhere and been banged on just about everything. Its still super smooth and its taken WAY more hits and seen WAY more use than the Nightmare.
What I'm getting at is that while, yes bi-metals are great, the performance of a yo-yo made out of 7075 aluminum can be comparable (or better, depending) and has the added benefit of being more durable which is great for something that you throw.
Many bi-metals avoid this problem by putting the rims on the inside. Think Edge, Anglam 2, Gladius, Knight, Igloo, etc. Oh and also, 7075 yoyos aren't really more durable than 6061. The only reason it's used is because it has a greater strength to weight ratio (the same reason Titanium is used) so the walls can be made thinner. And personally, I feel very similarly to 7075 as I do to bimetal. Sure, if done correctly, it can yield some designs that otherwise wouldn't be possible, but not all yoyos that use it take full advantage of it, yet in many cases cost much more as well (Shu-Ta is $20 more than a Shutter).
tvelt17 I wanted to get a night made ...until now phew thanks for the warning
I mean, its still cool, its just kinda fragile. You might be able to pick up a used one kinda cheap.
tvelt17 yeap bimetals dont handle dings well unless the rims are placed diferently
the shuta plays horrible its tooo heavy
Are there tri metals
Yes there are ;) Expect a video on one soon. My friend developed one and its a game changer.
JLBros I believe sengoku has one out
yes
the thing is yoyofactory is dropping the price on bimetals i myself own a space cadet and i love it it will be my competition choice while monometals are yoyos that are based at a cheaper price so i perfer bimetals
finally .thanx
do a edge review
Now there's Evan Nagao!
if you want an under priced bimetal get a stealth or a topyo quantum
What about Evan Nagao he won a major championship didn’t he
is Gentry use a bi metal shutter at wyyc 2014
There's no bimetal Shutter.
nictheperson there is
+Kevin Hendrata Well do you have any evidence of the existence of a bi-metal Shutter?
Cool
In my opinion bimetals don't make that much of a sense, I'm not a competitive player, but I can pull out my tricks on a Northstar as much as I can on my metal throws, and I'm having tons of fun doing it, at the end, that's what counts. Sometimes I feel like bimetals and extreme-competition driven you feel sterile , like fun-less spinning metal thing at the end of the string, at the end of the day, I'm having more fun out of my plastic and less serious metal throws than any other bimetal I ever tried. But being realistic, bimetals look sleek af.
Yoyos*
+Erick Øsøriø Valid point, but different people have different ideas of fun.
Sure! Its kinda funny because
I might or might not be saving up for a bimetal hahahah
ErickØSX Maximum rim weight on bi metal. Rather have a titanium monometal with max rim weight.
but didn't gentry win the world yoyo contest in 2014 with a shutter with bi metal rims
I think bi-metals are only justified when they are used to create a design that would otherwise be impossible. That said, the argument that expensive bi-metals aren't worth it is something that should be extended to all expensive yoyos, monometal or bimetal. After all, there are many monometals that are priced about as much as bimetals.
Like the ThrowRevolution Lotus. Like yeah it looks awesome, and it plays amazing aswell, and its made from Titanium, but £500?
+Ed N Or the sOMEThING Anglam Tiss. Or the YoYoRecreation Dazzler. Like a titanium yoyo should be $400 tops, no higher than that.
nictheperson yeah, even that is a tad too expensive. They are nice, though
never used a bimetal, kinda interested in the new superstar
YASSSSS FINALY
I like the Sleipnir over most bi metals :P
Could you give some examples of poorly designed bimetals?
Not saying bi-metals aren't trendy or a cash grab, but I will make a case for their performance. Notice how everyone on team YYR used to get a signature yoyo? What happened when the Draupnir came out? YYR just stopped giving team members signature throws and handed them Draupnirs instead (save for Ahmad maybe because sputnik). If that isn't a testament to the performance value of the Draupnir (or any bi-metal done correctly), I'm not sure what is.
+OG-YO And in the case of Ahmad, it doesn't matter anymore because he isn't on YoYoRecreation now.
I know he's on Recess now. I was just saying that when he was on YYR he was one of the few that did not use the Draupnir and had his own signature made for him.
Yeah I know. What I'm saying is now there are even fewer people on YYR that don't use Draupnirs.
so YYR thought that bimetals make a big difference but that doesnt mean they do make a big difference
Tbh good bimetal yoyos are 100-150$ around the same as monometals, so I wouldn't really say they are that overpriced, more like yoyorecreation and some other japanese brands overprice them haha
im getting the edge for christmas
Im looking to buy a new yoyo, and not break my wallet. I want an all-around unresponsive yoyo that grinds really well, finger spins great, and can handle speed tricks really well. I also want a long spin time. Any suggestions? (Budget $50)
x0pticzx Stealth Bimetal from Magic Yo-yo
x0pticzx Horizon
x0pticzx 50$ USD?
Where are you buying from?
nictheperson Canada
2:47 Evan Nagao now
I want a Bimetal because..... well I want one... so what is just a really fun one to mess with for someone completely uninterested in competing. It's a hobby.
Evan nagao
Omg i didn't know YYJ sued werrd...
Thats sad.. :o
McKenna Zentner Yoyorecreation also got into lawsuit with YYJ for their Triad. Settled with YYR pay for licensing.
I have heard that the patent YoYoJam held is pretty vague.
Brandon will you reply probably not but if you did it would make my day
I try my best to reply to all questions. If you want a reply ask a question :)
The Brandon Vu what's your favorite bimetal yoyo
+The Brandon Vu Do you have the yoyofactory turntable? If you do can you make a review?
Blank Cuber duuude that would be awesome.
+XPWNZERX have you tried it??
Just wondering, you're main selling point for the rant was that the performance gains couldn't justify the price you paid, but when you look at Bi-metals from YYF like the Edge., Superstar'16 and Space Cadet (actually all their current Bi-metal offerings), they float around the 100$ price tag. the Magic Yoyo stealth floats around the 50$ range, and there are many other companies offering economically sensible Bi-metals, whereas there are many companies offering their Mono-metals for much more, say the Basilisk, Radius, Borealis and more...(although the Aluminium grade is higher)..........I guess what I'm trying to say is, at the end of the video when you were talking about how Bi-metals are quite possibly the future of the sport and they had to be offered at a cheaper price, many companies have realized that and have already started the Bi-metal revolution.
I just realized, I said the costlier Mono-metals were of better grade aluminium, but Bi-metals like the Ex-Machina are made of the same grade aluminium and are cheaper(not to mention they have a secondary metal as well)
The thing is, many of the sub $60 bimetals just use very standard designs and for bimetals to be the future, they need to be available at those lower prices while still continuing to experiment and innovate.
but what about the edge, ex machina, iYoYo steel and such....even the pulsefire is 120$, these are quality, intricate designs that thrive when it comes to their weight distribution and power...........what I'm saying is these Bi-metals(listed above somewhere) are cheaper than the Mono-metals used this year and the last to win 1A worlds......so the point of cost only applies to a certain sect of Bi-metals that are only made by few companies(like turning point clyw and such)
Well, that isn't a fair comparison, because you're comparing some of the cheaper bi-metals to the most expensive mono-metals. A lot of the pricing of yoyos is by what company it's made by. I mean think about it, the CLYW Borealis (which was made in the US) is still cheaper than CLYW's bi-metals (which are made in China). The C3 Radius that won this year is quite a lot cheaper than C3's bi-metals. Almost every company that sells both monomials and bi-metals sell them at very different prices (assuming both are made by the same machining shop) because the bimetal making process is just that expensive. Even when you look at MagicYoYo (who's best yoyo I feel is a plastic that's more expensive than their monomials), they still price their bi-metals at about twice the price of their mono-metals
nictheperson I guess you're right, I have no proper rebuttal to your point....but what I'm saying is that when you say "so and so" was won with a Mono-metal, you forget "so and so" was won with a Mono-metal priced much higher than many Bi-metal yoyos....so you can't straight out say Bi-metals are costly....they are the costly yoyos IN A MANUFACTURER'S LINEUP but you have to compare those lineups when you are talking about the economic advantages/disadvantages of a Bi-metal.......an average buyer is looking at options from a range of manufacturers,its rare a buyer looks for a specific brand though there are exceptions.
My last point........When a buyer is looking for a premium yoyo and they have 2 options....a monometal from a company with steep pricetags.....and a bimetal from a company with lower pricetags for the same price as the monometal....what would the person choose, considering the claims of bimetal advantages?
Valid point, but I do feel like this video was more addressing the pricing of bi-metals and less whether or not you should actually get a bimetal or not. High end mono-metal yoyos are another story for another day. That said, I feel that any yoyo above a certain point is going to have a sharp decrease in return on investment. This happens once you pass $20, once you pass $60, $150, $300 and so on. Generally speaking, the value of a yoyo decreases the more you spend on it and it gets worse the higher the price you get to.
Could I please have one of your yoyos
2A yoyos numbah 1
thats a giant ball of string in the background you got there
Years of accumulated dead string :)
Rarely see anyone good at yoyos where I live.
Some Classmates act like Its some alien technology
The 2016 Superstar's rim is so narrow, it's like a joke. Guaranteed, without the rings, it would be like $30-45.
+Bryan Perez Doesn't that apply to almost every bimetal in that price range though? The weight rims are what make the yoyo more expensive than budget metals.
nictheperson Even though the Magic Yoyo Stealth and Magical are $50 each, the ring HELPS SO MUCH, YOU'D THINK I'M LYING. It's just WOW. A $50 Bi-Metal has the same effect as something like a Nightmare or a Valkyrie.
nictheperson But yeah, like almost every Bi-Metal under $100 plays like a monometal, basically.
+Bryan Perez IMO terms like "plays like a mono-metal" are vague and simply don't make any real sense. There's such a huge variance in mono-metals, from budget metals to titaniums, that you can't say all mono-metals share a certain play feel. That said, while the Superstar is a good yoyo for the price (besides yoyos from Chinese brands), I feel like its design could be replicated as a $45 mono-metal and be 90% as good for 60% of the price. That said, it doesn't have any real competition under $80 unless you count very niche yoyos (like extra-wides).
jeez man gimmie one of ur yoyos😂
Is a nightmare a good bi metal?
+Thierry Finian Go watch his review on it.
Now bimetals vs titanium
2018 anyone ???
Whats your favourite monometal yoyo other than the irony??~Brandon Vu
His "replacements" for the Irony in competition now are the Draupnir, Zephyr, and Titanium Dream, so I'm guessing it would be the Zephyr and Titanium Dream.
How did you know all this??
Brandon answered this in a comment last video.
Stealth, edge and Space Cowboy are all bimetals that is are done well and at a reasonable price compared to many monometals. But i very much share this oppinion. Not needed. Whatsoever
Aren't all yoyos bimetal because of the bearing
me: ''wtf is a bimetal'' (just started lol)
Bimetal :
1. For better Weight Distributions
2. For Luxury looks, I must admit if people see a Bimetal yoyos, it looks more shiny, cool, and attractive
1 thing that I hate from Bimetal : DURABILITY
It is not designed to handle Hard Dings, Bimetal especially on the Rim, will get Wobble/Vibe after a dings, it is not stronger than Good Quality Monometals like CLYW's, I have Magic Yoyo Stealth, and after some Dings, the Rim Detached, what a Joke
Does Bimetal determine Player Skill? NO
Does having Bimetal make you looks like a Pro or Cool? NO
Does Bimetal Yoyo can do a tricks that Monometal can't? NO, even Jensen Kimmit use PLASTIC YOYO
We must not forget that Yoyo is all about SKILL
The durability thing only applies to about 60% of the bimetals out there. Many don't have this problem, like most Anglams, Gladius, Edge, Igloo, etc.
Chrissanto Ukardi that happened because you got a Magicyoyo. most bi metals that are built well won't have that problem
Also Bi-metals look somewhat cooler.
ninedragons review plz
i think it is more hard to make bimetal yoyo than monometal yoyo ,and maybe that's why bimetal is over price and make bimetal superior than monometal
and almost all bimetal are lighter than monometas ,so maybe there are more people that more prever light yoyo than heavy yoyo and make bimetal more superior :D
,am i right ?
why is a yoyo floating
+Roffee Loosigian It's not floating. It's just on the step on the shelf.