My mother was diagnoses with cancer in the early 80's. After a heroic 3 year battle, she lost the fight. As a teenager, I asked why... all I got was that "God takes beautiful Flowers to his own" After that, I became an atheist. Prove me wrong. If your God does that, then I will fight him
My condolences on the loss of your mother, but the apologists are even worse than that. Watch what happens after some catastrophe like a tornado: There will be survivors who say "God saved me" and, when speaking of those who died "God wanted to bring them to him." Heads I win, tails you lose.
What is evil? Evil is drowning humans because you are disappointed in them, Evil is killing first born children, Evil is murdering the people in a city because you don’t like the way the live. I’ve read a book once where a dude did all these things. Damn, can’t remember his name….
@@va941 You tried to correct them regarding the upper case H, but you spelled *can't* incorrectly. Can't is a contraction of the two words "can" and "not".
@@rationald6799 "Which god is god?" The Gargantuan Frog of Despair. It's the only deity that specifically said that the Prophet (of the Frog) is not to make a Profit (from the belief system).
I mean, if when centuries of medical knowledge and professionals with years of medical training are able to save a child, that’s the work of god, the chickens feel like small potatoes
I'm getting the distinct feeling that that guy was a young Earth creationist. So his ideas and understanding of biological origins are about as sound as a boat made of tissue paper.
Reminds me of that one apologist who oddly sexually talked about how perfectly god made the banana... Just that all the perfect aspects he pointed out were actually bred into the fruit via artificial selection by humans.
Love this guy's answer to the problem of evil. "Well, this guy named Jesus supposedly suffered more than you so you're welcome!" The problem of evil I think is the greatest nail in the coffin for a supposed omnipresent deity.
@@Antowan there's a non biblical story that in eden, when Adam is being introduced to the animals the donkey laughed at the man and god cursed it so that it's voice would be crude laughter and be a beast of burden. Jesus, riding the donkey was forgiveness (and there is a mark on donkeys that is cross like) yet they are still treated roughly across the world
I vow to forever reply to any cultist idiot who spews that line at me with: "And lo! on that day did monkeys fly out of my ass!". I know not a single one of them will get the point; brains that smooth are practically frictionless and inert, but it'll at least amuse _some_ of the people in earshot.
Consider Frosty the Snowman: "The children know how he came to life one day." Eyewitnesses right there. And I *know* you won't call the children liars!
11:48 I love how he's trying to sound so knowledgeable, whilst creeping a look, at his notes written on his monitor, in front of him. I knew all this stuff without even needing it written down. He's a worse Christian, than I used to be. ha ha ha
Trained in church. Spew bullshit for long enough to fill the time the idiots in the pews expect to be stuck there every Sunday. The actual _contents_ of the spew are irrelevant. I'm almost starting to wish I had gone to church when I was a kid so I could confirm if it really is as much of a fucking performance as I've been beginning to suspect it is. The few times I did go, for holidays and stuff, it definitely fit the "fill time and keep people busy" model, though. Stand, kneel, sit, stand, sit, pick up the hymnal booklet and pretend to give a fuck about the shitty songs you're forced to recite in a dead monotone, kneel and repeat Tired Cliché #43, time for the Everybody Queue For Cheapest Cookie Now event.
@@rickn8or Martin Luther (not King) already claimed “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”
According to the Bible, this world started off perfect, but then almost immediately went off the rails. So why wouldn't the same thing happen in the perfect afterlife? And if there's a way to stop that from happening, why wasn't it done with THIS perfect world?
Creates the world, puts people in it, provides no guidance except 'leave that tree alone' with no explanation, punishes people that doesn't leave the tree alone, still doesn't provide guidance, drowns most of the people, still doesn't provide guidance. Yet it's the human's fault...
Well yes, that's the only answer they really had. Defining it to be so. Since they can't even show their God's existence, they have no prayer of showing another deity couldn't have predated him.
That’s absolutely not how or why Paul was executed. He was executed as a scapegoat for the burning of Rome, not for his faith, and he wasn’t offered to have his life spared
Do we actually have a real source for that? In any case, I'm very certain we don't have real sources for most biblical characters tradition asserts were martyred. That tradition usually relies on a book most claims of which are so out there it isn't accepted as a source - except for the killing of apostles etc. Ridiculous on the face of it.
His answer to the problem of evil was "God makes this place look shit so you'll appreciate heaven more". Can you imagine how screwed up that line of thinking is? "You may have died of the horrific ebola virus I gave you, but now that you are here, check out how cool my place is!"
In fairness I'm pretty sure warnings/claims of the last days predate the compilation of the original codices that would eventually become the bible so...
Totally. I remember the first time I heard about the end of the world in a biblical sense. It was on Jack Van Impe’s program. I was about 11 years old. I was raised Catholic, and Catholics didn’t talk about the end of the world, so I never was exposed to it. The program was giving away little pins that said “Perhaps Today.” I sent for one. I think I still have it! Anyway, I became obsessed with the idea. Over the years I learned a lot about it. And finally decided it was bs. And I was 11 years old in 1974! 🤣
@Lisa Spikes my grandmother died a few years ago at 102. She was highly religious and believed that the world was going to end at any time her whole life.
Perhaps that’s why some are now saying: “We’re living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days!” (Those with a background amongst Jehovah’s witnesses will know specifically who said that.) They’re trying to gin up a renewed sense of urgency for the accomplished end of the present order of things and for Armageddon. Curiously enough, however, they’re also trying to buy themselves even more time by buying and selling real estate, authorizing construction projects, declaring an “overlapping” generation (something exactly as provable as their God-meaning, not at all) of certain members of the faith who see events of the last century or so and “understand their significance”, and the list goes on and on ad infinitum, ad nauseum, world without end, Amen. And, yet, we’re supposed to exercise faith both that there could be (let alone, is) such a thing as God and that we’re living at the end of the present order of things on the portals of a promised New Order, all in vindication of the Name of this alleged God? Oh, please!
Not only does he sound like he's talking to a 4 yo, he sets the camera angle to make the viewer feel like they are being literally as well as metaphorically being talked down to. And FFS. Why didn't this all wise being just make a top place for us all to live in forever without sin and cut out the fecking suffering? He could have made such a world given Their omnipotence. I am the Aardvark and the Zebra so what I say must be true.
@@va941 Adam and Eve "sinned", Jesus "paid the price on the cross", so why do we have to suffer nowadays? That's not our problem lol.. seems like Jesus died for nothing, or he's just not real
@@RainbowFlowerCrow And of course, they "sinned" _because they didn't understand about good and evil,_ because they hadn't eaten that fruit yet. See the slight problem here? (Also, theists like to claim there was no death before that, but if that were true, why would God be afraid they might eat from the tree of life? Without death, that wouldn't change a thing. So obviously, death must have existed before they ate the fruit. And also, did you notice anything the snake said turned out to be true, whereas God's original threat turned out to be false? They did *not* die on the day they ate it.)
7:57 Does he seriously claim that God promotes suffering so we're motivated to leave this world as soon as possible? Well if nothing else, that's certainly a novel argument 🤔
The funny thing is that with my depression, if I believed - like this guy does - that I could escape the pain of this world by dying, I would have taken my life a long time ago. It is the recognition that I've got one chance - and this is it - that justifies trying to continue despite how I generally feel. This guy may find a future heaven comforting, but I certainly don't.
I have recently figured out that if all it takes to be 'saved' and enter a wonderful afterlife is to believe that Jesus died for my sins, I am inordinately grateful that I DON'T believe that, because my next step if I did believe would be to die in order to enter said afterlife. In this way, anyone trying to convert me is trying to get me to kill myself...
@@derkylos Now, to be fair, the taking of one's own life is generally considered to be sinful in most versions of Christianity... but that feels a bit like a band-aid on a broken leg given the general theology.
@@martinmckee5333 There's plenty of ways to die without killing yourself. The modern world has a LOT of safety measures in it. Just discard them all. Hell, you could even get yourself killed by doing something stupid but well-intentioned (like walking into the middle of a gunfight and trying to talk the combatants down. Very unlikely to work, but who would not say such an action was altruistic?)
@@martinmckee5333 Yes it's a band-aid trying to prevent that exact line of thinking. "If it is so much better in the after life, why not jumping straight into it ?"
This comment made me sad. I know it's trite but please try to stay strong. I've been an atheist for nigh on 50 years now and had a few brushes with "The Black Dog" as Churchill referred to it. I've been lucky to have friends with a silly sense of humour to support me. From one random internet Martin to another, take care and stay well.
So, not answering questions directly is how you want to answer the questions? Person 1: Where did you meet your wife? Person 2: Oh that's a valid questions. When I put my pants on, pants I buy online by the way, I put my left leg in first, then my right. Sometimes I put my right in first but that is rare. I stand and balance on one leg as I'm doing it. I also like cheeseburgers but sometimes I travel to Italy just to relax. The towel in my bathroom needs to be replaced to too, it's too old and scratchy now. Person 1: Uh,
I'm super familiar with Christians reciting scripts, but I'm pretty sure that this is the first time I've heard a Christian recite from a script that he wrote himself.
We get to see yet another theist who doesn't understand atheists at all! I love the non-evidence "evedence" he presents. Like we can't explain the stars and moon and clouds. You called that one! They are literally the same narrative spewing person. This one just comes with an aussie accent. 😆
How can you possibly deny his arguments? I mean, it says things in a book…and…ummm…yeah. The book says it. So THERE! Take that! Can’t possibly refute that….
I read a book where a young girl is arrested by inquisitors, stripped naked, taken before a crowd of people who quite like her because she's just this sweet young lady that works at a bakery, has knives slice into her back and hands plunged into the wounds, that way the man can pull the skin from her torso, and is then tied to a post and set on fire, slowly burning to death screaming for her parents who are not even in the city as they're still being held in a refugee camp waiting to reunite with their daughter, and finally dies after about half an hour of immeasurable torment. All of this happened because some priest twat in power needed someone to take the fall, and she sent letters to her parents frequently so he just declared this bakery waitress teen girl acquired military secrets and deftly sent them out using the public mail service to this nation's enemies resulting in their recent military losses. But yeah no, JESUS really had it the worst, totally. The book is called "Her Majesty's Swarm" by the way, just in case anyone's interested. That pretty much sets the tone for the series, though that's like the most viscerally brutal section. It's in book 3 btw.
@@chrisgrill6302 not to mention there's a good chance many good Christians will tell you plenty of them went to hell too, for daring to be born imperfect and not buying into the exact right bs story.
@@chrisgrill6302 & Yet euthanasia & suicide are 'wrong'. Sorry you're going through that & i hope theyre at peace soon(i dont mean that to sound callous).
The last verse he quotes basically says : Humans am stupid, me god, me clever, obey me ! So I guess he got around to the question of control, after all…
"Why would so many risk their lives..." - People believe stuff, People believe stuff so strongly that they'll defend it to the death. Maybe what they belive is true, maybe it isn't, their belief is not proof it exists. Don't know why people trot out this trope. Oh, wait, I do, it's it's about you're nearly good enough but not quite. ie you need to keep worshipping.
By the end of this guy's vid, I was more convinced that their god is a trickster alien who is trying to get worshippers for the lols. He actually lost points for his "side".
I’m American and I have no problem distinguishing between an English and Australian accent. Aussies and Kiwis is a different story. English, Irish and Scottish, no issues.
Never really understood eternity. The closest I've visualized is that scene from Dude Where's my Car. Where they were ordering Chinese food in the drive thru and the order taker would keep asking "and then?" Eternity would always be one more "and then?" And as soul grinding and tedious as that would be.
"....if Jesus could suffer, who are we to not have to go through things ourselves as well and he was innocent." So, those neonates in the Ukrainian hospital that the Russians bombed into rubble deserved that suffering and death because Jesus had a bad weekend?
The bible has zero first-person narrations of people who claim to have seen the risen Jesus. (Paul had a vision - he did not see Jesus in the flesh). There are more people who claimed to see Elvis after his death.
I'm Australian and people used to ask me if I was American, I think it was because I spoke quite well and most of my friends were quite yobboish. So I know how you feel.
Anyone who thinks Americans (who aren't on TV) speak well just needs to spend a little time here. I'm from NY which is comparably fairly educated against the deep south, but even here there are people who can barely speak English as a first language... (And I mean upstate not NYC)
@@hyacinthdathenes9405 I did say they were yobboish which means they were' not the smartest people around and they just didn't recognise people who spoke well. This was a long time ago and people weren't as aware of the world as they are now. I ended up moving away from those people and became friends with much better educated people. I know the education system in US is not the best. Kind of sad isn't it?
@@knuckles543 One of the arguments from popularity Christian apologists love to point out is "If Christianity weren't true how could it have spread so quickly?" ... The answer is the Holy Roman Empire, followed by a long line of European kings being "ordained by God" to rule ... and coincidently give plenty of money and power to the church.
I think I've been weeping incorrectly all this time. I always remember crying when I was weeping. Also, if I was ever flogged, I would tell people I had been beaten. He reminds me of a veggie tales where there was a super hero who could fly and defy gravity. It would have been nice if he had actually tried to answer the questions that he said an atheist would ask. I already knew the things he said but I still don't know why his dog allows evil in the world.
The people of Heaven's Gate were pretty certain about their beliefs as well. So certain, in fact, that they didn't just _risk_ their lives, they literally all _lost_ their lives. Just because you're certain enough to die for something doesn't make it true :P
So if we go outside and look around, there is glorious evidence of loving creation. So where is it that we are supposed to look to see the fallen world, crippled by sin?
Wait, so the father decided that he couldn't just forgive us (even though we are supposed to just forgive each other) and he decided that the punishment for sin should be death, yet I should feel sorry for the fact that he decided to send his son to die when he didn't have to? Yeah, that's not happening...
As an atheist, I think the only question I would have for a theist is "How can you believe such obvious rot?" ... but I suspect I probably know the answer. 9 times out of 10 it's because "Theists got to you as a child and bonsai-ed your still-forming brain, didn't they?" and for that other 1 out of 10, it tends to be some kind of mental breakdown in adulthood. I'd still ask, though, rather than presume.
As soon as that theist was talking about Bible-Stories, he sounded exactly like someone who talks about their most favourite Franchise. "Isnt it awesome how Frodo was wearing the Mithril befor they ventured trough the mines of Moria? I mean its so unlikely that he could have survived, so he really must be the only one who was fit to bring the Ring to Mount Doom. Without him, Midle-Earth would be now in the Hands of Sauron!" How long will it take for theists like that to realize that using the collection of Claims (they call Bible) can not be used to proof the Bible. -.-
Actually we know that the chicken egg came before the chicken, because the first "Chicken Egg" would have been laid by a Proto-Chicken. Biology is fun. The difference between a proto-chicken and a chicken would be almost nothing considering evolution is a gradient, but if lines have to be drawn, you gotta put them somewhere.
So wait... his answer to "Why does a good God let evil things happen?" Is "Worse things happened to someone who deserves it less so stop bitchimg?" ... that's... that's so far from an answer
So, what was Jesus for anyway? If he was take on the burden of the world's sin and suffering, why does sin still exist? Why are those without sin still suffering (i.e. infants)? Why is anyone still suffering, even when they accept God/Jesus?
the whole story is dumb. let me use an example of 2 men. These both take place say, 1500 years ago. one man is in his early 20s, lives in the mountains with his tribe, and knows nothing of 'God" or "jesus' - they worship the land, and the deities they have relied on to get by from year to year. One year is especially bad, many of the tribe were taken as slaves, and others starved due to poor crops and disease. This 20 year old, is the only survivor of a particularly harsh winter, and decides to search for another village to join - but freezes to death in the snow mid travel. another man, living in a city, never wanting food or shelter, who enjoys doing bad things to people of the 'less clothing required' type - forcefully -and then kills them, decides he is going to do this to 1 person every year. So from the age of 40 onward, 1 person would be horribly violated, and killed, at his hand. at 60, the man realizes what he has been doing is completely evil, and he should stop, so he does, and then he finds the Bible and God and repents and prays for his soul - because he has tarnished it greatly for the last 20 years, and being 60 now and near end of his life - he is now worried what happens next. According to the bible. - Man2 - goes to heaven and gets rewarded for living a life of sin and hurting others, but man1 burns in hell, FOR ETERNITY - because he didn't know of God. how is that anything less than the ramblings of a mad man? If this "god' does exist - and that is how he decides to 'reward' or 'punish' us, by how much we 'worship' him - THAT IS NOT A GOOD BEING. It is selfish and narcissistic, and has no empathy for human life.
Similar questions have been asked by atheists to theists and time and again, they say that person 1 goes to helm whike person 2 goes to heaven. That's fucking sick.
Jesus died for me? Well, I didn't ask him to. The whole thing seems a bit silly when he's supposed to be all-powerful and shouldn't need all the S&M play first
Shout out to all of us who had fantasies of Sexy Jesus getting whipped in a loin cloth and seeing him week after week hanging topless on a cross at church!
Floating/vibrating circle with an English voice and floating text makes several good points. Skep✓ is the new messiah. Or the new atheist god AKA Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe. Love it!
The chicken and the egg analogy is so dumb, a single strand of self replicating RNA came first and from that everything else, a chicken or an egg are not even remotely in the equation. Side note I love when people say they are going to answer questions and then answer 0 questions.
"That's a fair question, if you don't know God." It's kinda stupid to say you are going to teach me god, but then you say I won't understand your lesson unless I already know god.
"The Bible was created to control people is a baseless claim." I open RUclips and it doesn't take me long to find someone telling Christians to give them money or vote for someone to please God. While not evidence, which we'd need a time machine to find, that's a pretty good justification for that belief and certainly not baseless claim.
I would ask him why in the history of Christianity, why can't Christians prove the existence of their god or Jesus? Don't tell me what this entity thinks, or how to please it. I don't care. Just me the proof or be quite. Life is too short for this superstitious gibberish.
This cobber is such a knowledgeable, persuasive and compelling proponent of Christianity that I'm either going to slit my wrists or go find another YT vid made by a four-year-old to watch.
10:11 Just imagine how glorious is eternal life with God: you can feel only joy and good things, so you don't need to eat or drink because you can't starve or get thirsty, you can eat if you want but eating your favorite meal doesn't bring you more joy than filling your mouth with dirt. If you were a bodybuilder in your life now you can workout all day forever withot ever feeling tired or like you're making any progress, doing 10 squats makes you feel good or tired exactly as if you do 1000 squats, in fact, you'll be as good as if you don't workout because it can't bring you any benefit of sort, you're already happy and you wouldn't get a greater feeling of accomplishment not even after a full day of training. Meeting with your friends will be pointless because you can't feel sad when they're not around or miss them and they can't feel sad or miss you when you aren't around either, being with them would be exactly as joyful as if you're not with them, you can also have a walk on lava, or jump from a skyscraper if you want to because you aren't only immune to pain but you're also invulnerable and don't feel fear or get scared... still, you'll not experience anything from doing it because at the end you'll be happy has much as if you didn't do it. Thinking about the loved ones that didn't make it to "Heaven" will be meaningless because you can't feel sad or cry and so you'll don't just feel nothing for the dear ones that you'll never see again (there can't be apathy in "Heaven", so you can't even have neutral feelings), but instead you'll feel happy about them burning in Hell and rejoice their absence. You'll never laugh at a joke anymore because you'll always be laughing in the land of neverending joy, probably at this point if there's still a sparkle of sanity in your mind you end up realizing that your Heaven is in fact a nightmare and your god is most probably an eldritch horror that is feeding on your insanity, but you can't find the strenght to care about it, what you care now is dopamine hits, just dopamine hits, forever.
There was a Twilight Zone episode like this. A man gets everything he wants, can’t lose when he gambles, etc. He gets bored when there is no risk and no chance of loss. He comes to realize that he is actually in hell.
He forgot to answer some clear problems with the suffering. How about the three year old, born in a Muslim family, who dies of something horrible? Does the child go to heaven or hell?
What does it say about a person who controls both sides of the conversation and still loses the argument?
hahahahahahahaha
You win :)
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Proves to me me their plastic Jesus is lazy
It's like that Pixar short of the old man playing chess.
My mother was diagnoses with cancer in the early 80's. After a heroic 3 year battle, she lost the fight. As a teenager, I asked why... all I got was that "God takes beautiful Flowers to his own"
After that, I became an atheist. Prove me wrong.
If your God does that, then I will fight him
My condolences on the loss of your mother, but the apologists are even worse than that. Watch what happens after some catastrophe like a tornado: There will be survivors who say "God saved me" and, when speaking of those who died "God wanted to bring them to him." Heads I win, tails you lose.
Frustrating isnt it?!
Hey, but he was busy... he was helping _true_ believers find their car keys!
What is evil? Evil is drowning humans because you are disappointed in them, Evil is killing first born children, Evil is murdering the people in a city because you don’t like the way the live.
I’ve read a book once where a dude did all these things. Damn, can’t remember his name….
evil is also babies being born w bone cancer
I bet you ment "cant remember His name"
@@va941 You tried to correct them regarding the upper case H, but you spelled *can't* incorrectly. Can't is a contraction of the two words "can" and "not".
@@RainbowFlowerCrow shait happns.
Wasn't that yorway?
"Faith is the excuse people give as the reason for believing something is true when they don't have evidence" - Matt Dillahunty
There's significant problems with the overarching ideology that Matt embodies
@@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451 and those significant problems are ... ?
@@cliftongaither6642lmao this guy probably called into the show and got roasted
@@flourichs4030 hahaha yeah, you're probably right.
@@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451 I'm waiting with bated breath to hear what they are.
Yeah... another one for the "I believe in the Bible because the Bible says the Bible is true" box. That guy hasn't really thought about any of this.
Unfortunately, he's probably though about it quit a bit, but still couldn't come up with anything better.
When he said that, my thought was: “Cue both Paul’s ‘For the Bible Tells Me So’ and Professor Plink’s ‘I Don’t Care What Your Holy Book Says’.”
This man isn't even answering any of the damn questions
“Why is god god? Because he’s god”
Glad we got that sorted 😂
Yep. My life is now complete 😂
"Why is grass green? Because it's grass."
I bet that answer won't do well at university.
@@Nitroburner01 What about when it's yellow?
Which god is god?🤔😂😂😂
@@rationald6799 "Which god is god?"
The Gargantuan Frog of Despair.
It's the only deity that specifically said that the Prophet (of the Frog) is not to make a Profit (from the belief system).
At 17:15 he stated that God made chickens. Chickens are a domesticated form of junglefowl. God didn't make chickens. We made chickens.
I mean, if when centuries of medical knowledge and professionals with years of medical training are able to save a child, that’s the work of god, the chickens feel like small potatoes
I'm getting the distinct feeling that that guy was a young Earth creationist. So his ideas and understanding of biological origins are about as sound as a boat made of tissue paper.
Reminds me of that one apologist who oddly sexually talked about how perfectly god made the banana...
Just that all the perfect aspects he pointed out were actually bred into the fruit via artificial selection by humans.
@@Sl1c3r7 It does perfectly fit in your mouth though.
Same thing with the banana.
Love this guy's answer to the problem of evil. "Well, this guy named Jesus supposedly suffered more than you so you're welcome!" The problem of evil I think is the greatest nail in the coffin for a supposed omnipresent deity.
My surprise about Jesus suffering is simple. If he suffered why am i still suffering too. I thought the debt was paid. 😆
@@Antowan a good point!
@@Antowan there's a non biblical story that in eden, when Adam is being introduced to the animals the donkey laughed at the man and god cursed it so that it's voice would be crude laughter and be a beast of burden. Jesus, riding the donkey was forgiveness (and there is a mark on donkeys that is cross like) yet they are still treated roughly across the world
@@Antowan How have I never thought of this???
Nah, omnipresent while allowing harm? Gods a sadist lol
I loved the "And of course he resurrected..." Like that shit happens every day. Lol
I vow to forever reply to any cultist idiot who spews that line at me with: "And lo! on that day did monkeys fly out of my ass!". I know not a single one of them will get the point; brains that smooth are practically frictionless and inert, but it'll at least amuse _some_ of the people in earshot.
According to the bible, coming back to life was a pretty casual occurrence, making this supposed miracle even less impressive.
"Somehow P̶a̶l̶p̶a̶t̶i̶n̶e̶ Jesus returned."
& hes still alive!
Consider Frosty the Snowman:
"The children know how he came to life one day."
Eyewitnesses right there. And I *know* you won't call the children liars!
Watch me😁
11:48 I love how he's trying to sound so knowledgeable, whilst creeping a look, at his notes written on his monitor, in front of him.
I knew all this stuff without even needing it written down. He's a worse Christian, than I used to be. ha ha ha
I noticed he had a lot of words to say after asking the questions. But none of those many words actually answered the questions.
There was enough word salad to supply every Olive Garden in several universes.
🥗🥗🍴😆😆
He can't even provide relevant answers when he's the one making up the questions to ask. 😅
Trained in church. Spew bullshit for long enough to fill the time the idiots in the pews expect to be stuck there every Sunday. The actual _contents_ of the spew are irrelevant.
I'm almost starting to wish I had gone to church when I was a kid so I could confirm if it really is as much of a fucking performance as I've been beginning to suspect it is. The few times I did go, for holidays and stuff, it definitely fit the "fill time and keep people busy" model, though. Stand, kneel, sit, stand, sit, pick up the hymnal booklet and pretend to give a fuck about the shitty songs you're forced to recite in a dead monotone, kneel and repeat Tired Cliché #43, time for the Everybody Queue For Cheapest Cookie Now event.
@@condorboss3339 you mean there are Olive Gardens in parallel universes? Why wasn't I told this?🤔🤣🤣🤣
Theist: Paul was a murderer, so we can trust him!
Me: 😑
faith is just trust me bro,
dont ask questions and dont think about it.
Especially the 'think about it' part.
'listen and believe'
@@rickn8or Martin Luther (not King) already claimed “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”
Mordin, Mass Effect:. "Many religions. Many questions. No answers."
This is my favorite comment on the citadel.
According to the Bible, this world started off perfect, but then almost immediately went off the rails. So why wouldn't the same thing happen in the perfect afterlife? And if there's a way to stop that from happening, why wasn't it done with THIS perfect world?
Creates the world, puts people in it, provides no guidance except 'leave that tree alone' with no explanation, punishes people that doesn't leave the tree alone, still doesn't provide guidance, drowns most of the people, still doesn't provide guidance.
Yet it's the human's fault...
I wouldn't call a world that has even the potential of being corrupted "perfect".
And they keep talking about fine tuning. If this world were a car, I would never take it to that particular mechanic again.
18:13 that is the tightest circular argument I've ever heard. To the point it's literally a tautology.
Well yes, that's the only answer they really had. Defining it to be so. Since they can't even show their God's existence, they have no prayer of showing another deity couldn't have predated him.
That’s absolutely not how or why Paul was executed. He was executed as a scapegoat for the burning of Rome, not for his faith, and he wasn’t offered to have his life spared
Do we actually have a real source for that? In any case, I'm very certain we don't have real sources for most biblical characters tradition asserts were martyred. That tradition usually relies on a book most claims of which are so out there it isn't accepted as a source - except for the killing of apostles etc. Ridiculous on the face of it.
His answer to the problem of evil was "God makes this place look shit so you'll appreciate heaven more". Can you imagine how screwed up that line of thinking is? "You may have died of the horrific ebola virus I gave you, but now that you are here, check out how cool my place is!"
All my life, we've been living in the last days. Now, when I hear someone say it, I just yawn.
Well, if your 'life' began when the universe was created, the mere 70-ish years you get on earth ARE the 'last days' of it...
In fairness I'm pretty sure warnings/claims of the last days predate the compilation of the original codices that would eventually become the bible so...
Totally. I remember the first time I heard about the end of the world in a biblical sense. It was on Jack Van Impe’s program. I was about 11 years old. I was raised Catholic, and Catholics didn’t talk about the end of the world, so I never was exposed to it.
The program was giving away little pins that said “Perhaps Today.” I sent for one. I think I still have it!
Anyway, I became obsessed with the idea. Over the years I learned a lot about it. And finally decided it was bs.
And I was 11 years old in 1974!
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@Lisa Spikes my grandmother died a few years ago at 102. She was highly religious and believed that the world was going to end at any time her whole life.
Perhaps that’s why some are now saying: “We’re living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days!” (Those with a background amongst Jehovah’s witnesses will know specifically who said that.) They’re trying to gin up a renewed sense of urgency for the accomplished end of the present order of things and for Armageddon. Curiously enough, however, they’re also trying to buy themselves even more time by buying and selling real estate, authorizing construction projects, declaring an “overlapping” generation (something exactly as provable as their God-meaning, not at all) of certain members of the faith who see events of the last century or so and “understand their significance”, and the list goes on and on ad infinitum, ad nauseum, world without end, Amen. And, yet, we’re supposed to exercise faith both that there could be (let alone, is) such a thing as God and that we’re living at the end of the present order of things on the portals of a promised New Order, all in vindication of the Name of this alleged God? Oh, please!
Not only does he sound like he's talking to a 4 yo, he sets the camera angle to make the viewer feel like they are being literally as well as metaphorically being talked down to.
And FFS. Why didn't this all wise being just make a top place for us all to live in forever without sin and cut out the fecking suffering?
He could have made such a world given Their omnipotence.
I am the Aardvark and the Zebra so what I say must be true.
I came here to say just that.
GMTA you know...
He did! The garden of Eden! But man sinned and ruined it!
@@va941 Adam and Eve "sinned", Jesus "paid the price on the cross", so why do we have to suffer nowadays? That's not our problem lol.. seems like Jesus died for nothing, or he's just not real
@@RainbowFlowerCrow And of course, they "sinned" _because they didn't understand about good and evil,_ because they hadn't eaten that fruit yet. See the slight problem here?
(Also, theists like to claim there was no death before that, but if that were true, why would God be afraid they might eat from the tree of life? Without death, that wouldn't change a thing. So obviously, death must have existed before they ate the fruit.
And also, did you notice anything the snake said turned out to be true, whereas God's original threat turned out to be false? They did *not* die on the day they ate it.)
@@KaiHenningsen Exactly! Honestly, theist fan fiction is less consistent than anything Stan Lee came up with.
7:57 Does he seriously claim that God promotes suffering so we're motivated to leave this world as soon as possible? Well if nothing else, that's certainly a novel argument 🤔
yeah, he can give us a practical demonstration so we can understand the process
Strange because they clsim suicide is a sin, but this suffering often leads to it. Is it a sin if God makes you do it? 🤔
@@Antowan We all display contradictions, but religious folks make a.....religion of it!
The funny thing is that with my depression, if I believed - like this guy does - that I could escape the pain of this world by dying, I would have taken my life a long time ago. It is the recognition that I've got one chance - and this is it - that justifies trying to continue despite how I generally feel.
This guy may find a future heaven comforting, but I certainly don't.
I have recently figured out that if all it takes to be 'saved' and enter a wonderful afterlife is to believe that Jesus died for my sins, I am inordinately grateful that I DON'T believe that, because my next step if I did believe would be to die in order to enter said afterlife.
In this way, anyone trying to convert me is trying to get me to kill myself...
@@derkylos Now, to be fair, the taking of one's own life is generally considered to be sinful in most versions of Christianity... but that feels a bit like a band-aid on a broken leg given the general theology.
@@martinmckee5333 There's plenty of ways to die without killing yourself. The modern world has a LOT of safety measures in it. Just discard them all. Hell, you could even get yourself killed by doing something stupid but well-intentioned (like walking into the middle of a gunfight and trying to talk the combatants down. Very unlikely to work, but who would not say such an action was altruistic?)
@@martinmckee5333 Yes it's a band-aid trying to prevent that exact line of thinking. "If it is so much better in the after life, why not jumping straight into it ?"
This comment made me sad. I know it's trite but please try to stay strong. I've been an atheist for nigh on 50 years now and had a few brushes with "The Black Dog" as Churchill referred to it. I've been lucky to have friends with a silly sense of humour to support me. From one random internet Martin to another, take care and stay well.
So, not answering questions directly is how you want to answer the questions?
Person 1: Where did you meet your wife?
Person 2: Oh that's a valid questions. When I put my pants on, pants I buy online by the way, I put my left leg in first, then my right. Sometimes I put my right in first but that is rare. I stand and balance on one leg as I'm doing it. I also like cheeseburgers but sometimes I travel to Italy just to relax. The towel in my bathroom needs to be replaced to too, it's too old and scratchy now.
Person 1: Uh,
His answers were so bad, it's like he stumped himself with his own questions lol
The egg came first. Evolution answers your question, without a need for a deity.
I'm super familiar with Christians reciting scripts, but I'm pretty sure that this is the first time I've heard a Christian recite from a script that he wrote himself.
Any man who kills a fig tree that he doesn't own, just because it wasn't blooming isn't sinless.
We get to see yet another theist who doesn't understand atheists at all! I love the non-evidence "evedence" he presents. Like we can't explain the stars and moon and clouds. You called that one! They are literally the same narrative spewing person. This one just comes with an aussie accent. 😆
How can you possibly deny his arguments? I mean, it says things in a book…and…ummm…yeah. The book says it. So THERE! Take that! Can’t possibly refute that….
We harden our hearts?-"He hardens whom he wants to harden."(Rom.9:18)
Ask the Pharoh about that one.
I read a book where a young girl is arrested by inquisitors, stripped naked, taken before a crowd of people who quite like her because she's just this sweet young lady that works at a bakery, has knives slice into her back and hands plunged into the wounds, that way the man can pull the skin from her torso, and is then tied to a post and set on fire, slowly burning to death screaming for her parents who are not even in the city as they're still being held in a refugee camp waiting to reunite with their daughter, and finally dies after about half an hour of immeasurable torment. All of this happened because some priest twat in power needed someone to take the fall, and she sent letters to her parents frequently so he just declared this bakery waitress teen girl acquired military secrets and deftly sent them out using the public mail service to this nation's enemies resulting in their recent military losses.
But yeah no, JESUS really had it the worst, totally.
The book is called "Her Majesty's Swarm" by the way, just in case anyone's interested. That pretty much sets the tone for the series, though that's like the most viscerally brutal section. It's in book 3 btw.
@@chrisgrill6302 not to mention there's a good chance many good Christians will tell you plenty of them went to hell too, for daring to be born imperfect and not buying into the exact right bs story.
@@chrisgrill6302 & Yet euthanasia & suicide are 'wrong'.
Sorry you're going through that & i hope theyre at peace soon(i dont mean that to sound callous).
The arrogance of this guy, thinking that the only option other than atheism is Christianity.
"every dog butt" - love it
The last verse he quotes basically says : Humans am stupid, me god, me clever, obey me ! So I guess he got around to the question of control, after all…
"Why would so many risk their lives..." - People believe stuff, People believe stuff so strongly that they'll defend it to the death. Maybe what they belive is true, maybe it isn't, their belief is not proof it exists. Don't know why people trot out this trope. Oh, wait, I do, it's it's about you're nearly good enough but not quite. ie you need to keep worshipping.
Spoiler alert: You'll never be good enough, give enough, do enough to satisfy your church.
6:55 except when he does, like earthquakes, landslides, and generally catastrophic weather.
All caused because some silly tart nicked a piece of fruit.
By the end of this guy's vid, I was more convinced that their god is a trickster alien who is trying to get worshippers for the lols.
He actually lost points for his "side".
19:20 - "Go look at the formation of babies!"
Oh yeah I love watching videos of the formation of babies... Well the conception part anyway.
“Just look at the goddamned trees!”
Easily the worst answer to the Problem of Evil I've ever heard. "Jesus suffered, so who are you to think you shouldn't!"
I’m American and I have no problem distinguishing between an English and Australian accent. Aussies and Kiwis is a different story. English, Irish and Scottish, no issues.
Go Tiger.
'English accent'. Heh. There are parts of England where I, a native, cannot understand the locals...
@@derkylos Yeah but you still know it's English😉
Have you ever heard a broad Norfolk dialect? I`m was born and raised in Norfolk and don`t understand it myself.
@@vinnyganzano1930 Sometimes, I'm not so sure they're still speaking English...
The classic act of "debunking" atheists by not addressing their actual opinions at all
He didn’t ask the problem of evil correctly.
26:17 I have watched this video and our tick in a skep makes a lot more sense than the fifth rate apologist whose video the tick was commenting on.
“…and his name was Jesus Christ.” So his dad’s name was Joseph Christ?
You think Joseph was his dad?
Damn but that Mary's some skillful liar.
christianity ~ one young woman's lie about premarital sex that got way out of hand.
Never really understood eternity. The closest I've visualized is that scene from Dude Where's my Car. Where they were ordering Chinese food in the drive thru and the order taker would keep asking "and then?" Eternity would always be one more "and then?" And as soul grinding and tedious as that would be.
"....if Jesus could suffer, who are we to not have to go through things ourselves as well and he was innocent."
So, those neonates in the Ukrainian hospital that the Russians bombed into rubble deserved that suffering and death because Jesus had a bad weekend?
Thousands of people saw Harry Potter catch the snitch. Just as much evidence for that as there is for people seeing J-man after his resurrection.
The bible has zero first-person narrations of people who claim to have seen the risen Jesus. (Paul had a vision - he did not see Jesus in the flesh). There are more people who claimed to see Elvis after his death.
Probably more people have seen Ron Hubbard than there where people in the Roman Empire, so Scientology must be truer than Christianity, right?
and if you don't believe it, you can watch it again.
I'm Australian and people used to ask me if I was American, I think it was because I spoke quite well and most of my friends were quite yobboish. So I know how you feel.
I'm in the south of NZ and I've had the same thing
Their concept of Americans is "spoke quite well"? Oh boy.
Anyone who thinks Americans (who aren't on TV) speak well just needs to spend a little time here. I'm from NY which is comparably fairly educated against the deep south, but even here there are people who can barely speak English as a first language... (And I mean upstate not NYC)
@@hyacinthdathenes9405 I did say they were yobboish which means they were' not the smartest people around and they just didn't recognise people who spoke well. This was a long time ago and people weren't as aware of the world as they are now. I ended up moving away from those people and became friends with much better educated people. I know the education system in US is not the best. Kind of sad isn't it?
There's something weird about listening to two Australian guys talk about atheism in one video
Summary:
Dude asks questions on behalf of a different dude and proceeds to never answer the imaginary questions of the mythical dude.
the idea that "I created you, therefore I have dominion over you" is so fucking toxic.
Rare form today, SkepTick! 😄 Great commentary! Thanks!
What has possession of my words, thoughts, and behaviour? Well, crap, it's my brain! I really do think everyone should be worshipping it.
So just like every one of these wannabe missionary/apologists, all of his arguments boil down to "Believe what I believe because I say so".
bonus points if it's at the edge of a sword or a barrel of a gun
@@knuckles543 One of the arguments from popularity Christian apologists love to point out is "If Christianity weren't true how could it have spread so quickly?" ...
The answer is the Holy Roman Empire, followed by a long line of European kings being "ordained by God" to rule ... and coincidently give plenty of money and power to the church.
19:22 - did this guy just told us to go watch porn? 😂 As an argument for god?🤣
As of we need an excuse😮
Ngl your Aussie impression isn't bad.
That video should have been called "How not to answer Atheists questions and be smug about it."
I think I've been weeping incorrectly all this time. I always remember crying when I was weeping. Also, if I was ever flogged, I would tell people I had been beaten. He reminds me of a veggie tales where there was a super hero who could fly and defy gravity. It would have been nice if he had actually tried to answer the questions that he said an atheist would ask. I already knew the things he said but I still don't know why his dog allows evil in the world.
I bet victims of Brazen Bull and Breaking Wheel would beg for crucifixion, but go on..
2:00 ...and sometimes we just need some comic relief.
Thanks!
I wish one of his questions was, “Why should anyone believe the claims in the Bible are true?”
That'll never happen because even the most brilliant philosophers haven't been able to answer that question.
The people of Heaven's Gate were pretty certain about their beliefs as well. So certain, in fact, that they didn't just _risk_ their lives, they literally all _lost_ their lives. Just because you're certain enough to die for something doesn't make it true :P
So if we go outside and look around, there is glorious evidence of loving creation. So where is it that we are supposed to look to see the fallen world, crippled by sin?
"Australia" or as I call it, "The Cockney Continent".
Wait, so the father decided that he couldn't just forgive us (even though we are supposed to just forgive each other) and he decided that the punishment for sin should be death, yet I should feel sorry for the fact that he decided to send his son to die when he didn't have to? Yeah, that's not happening...
Knowing the son would be resurrected so pointless.
As an atheist, I think the only question I would have for a theist is "How can you believe such obvious rot?" ... but I suspect I probably know the answer. 9 times out of 10 it's because "Theists got to you as a child and bonsai-ed your still-forming brain, didn't they?" and for that other 1 out of 10, it tends to be some kind of mental breakdown in adulthood. I'd still ask, though, rather than presume.
As soon as that theist was talking about Bible-Stories, he sounded exactly like someone who talks about their most favourite Franchise.
"Isnt it awesome how Frodo was wearing the Mithril befor they ventured trough the mines of Moria?
I mean its so unlikely that he could have survived, so he really must be the only one who was fit to bring the Ring to Mount Doom. Without him, Midle-Earth would be now in the Hands of Sauron!"
How long will it take for theists like that to realize that using the collection of Claims (they call Bible) can not be used to proof the Bible. -.-
Actually we know that the chicken egg came before the chicken, because the first "Chicken Egg" would have been laid by a Proto-Chicken. Biology is fun. The difference between a proto-chicken and a chicken would be almost nothing considering evolution is a gradient, but if lines have to be drawn, you gotta put them somewhere.
So wait... his answer to "Why does a good God let evil things happen?" Is "Worse things happened to someone who deserves it less so stop bitchimg?" ... that's... that's so far from an answer
11:03 Marvin Harris wrote several books on how religion was used to control people. Best one is "Cows, Pigs, Wars, and Witches".
Hey knob, I didn't sign up for eternity.
Lol "Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament". Citation needed please.
Paul didn't even write all the books attributed to him.
So, what was Jesus for anyway? If he was take on the burden of the world's sin and suffering, why does sin still exist? Why are those without sin still suffering (i.e. infants)? Why is anyone still suffering, even when they accept God/Jesus?
I love how these theists make the long ass videos and still are not capable of making a single convincing arguing.
the whole story is dumb. let me use an example of 2 men. These both take place say, 1500 years ago. one man is in his early 20s, lives in the mountains with his tribe, and knows nothing of 'God" or "jesus' - they worship the land, and the deities they have relied on to get by from year to year. One year is especially bad, many of the tribe were taken as slaves, and others starved due to poor crops and disease. This 20 year old, is the only survivor of a particularly harsh winter, and decides to search for another village to join - but freezes to death in the snow mid travel.
another man, living in a city, never wanting food or shelter, who enjoys doing bad things to people of the 'less clothing required' type - forcefully -and then kills them, decides he is going to do this to 1 person every year. So from the age of 40 onward, 1 person would be horribly violated, and killed, at his hand. at 60, the man realizes what he has been doing is completely evil, and he should stop, so he does, and then he finds the Bible and God and repents and prays for his soul - because he has tarnished it greatly for the last 20 years, and being 60 now and near end of his life - he is now worried what happens next.
According to the bible. - Man2 - goes to heaven and gets rewarded for living a life of sin and hurting others, but man1 burns in hell, FOR ETERNITY - because he didn't know of God.
how is that anything less than the ramblings of a mad man? If this "god' does exist - and that is how he decides to 'reward' or 'punish' us, by how much we 'worship' him - THAT IS NOT A GOOD BEING. It is selfish and narcissistic, and has no empathy for human life.
Similar questions have been asked by atheists to theists and time and again, they say that person 1 goes to helm whike person 2 goes to heaven. That's fucking sick.
25: 28 "Don't lean on your own understanding."
No, because if you start _thinking_ then you'll see what utter bullshit we're selling you.
Jesus died for me? Well, I didn't ask him to. The whole thing seems a bit silly when he's supposed to be all-powerful and shouldn't need all the S&M play first
Shout out to all of us who had fantasies of Sexy Jesus getting whipped in a loin cloth and seeing him week after week hanging topless on a cross at church!
Floating/vibrating circle with an English voice and floating text makes several good points. Skep✓ is the new messiah. Or the new atheist god AKA Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe. Love it!
I blame Sir Sic for this. That drunkard...
The chicken and the egg analogy is so dumb, a single strand of self replicating RNA came first and from that everything else, a chicken or an egg are not even remotely in the equation. Side note I love when people say they are going to answer questions and then answer 0 questions.
tbf he did answer the chicken and egg quesiton.. but as expected he got it wrong.
"That's a fair question, if you don't know God."
It's kinda stupid to say you are going to teach me god, but then you say I won't understand your lesson unless I already know god.
"The Bible was created to control people is a baseless claim."
I open RUclips and it doesn't take me long to find someone telling Christians to give them money or vote for someone to please God.
While not evidence, which we'd need a time machine to find, that's a pretty good justification for that belief and certainly not baseless claim.
What to eat, what to wear, exactly what to bring to a priest to for him to incinerate...
The list goes on and on and on.
Actually, man created god and religion. Man also wrote the book that it’s all based on.
I would ask him why in the history of Christianity, why can't Christians prove the existence of their god or Jesus? Don't tell me what this entity thinks, or how to please it. I don't care. Just me the proof or be quite. Life is too short for this superstitious gibberish.
This cobber is such a knowledgeable, persuasive and compelling proponent of Christianity that I'm either going to slit my wrists or go find another YT vid made by a four-year-old to watch.
10:11 Just imagine how glorious is eternal life with God: you can feel only joy and good things, so you don't need to eat or drink because you can't starve or get thirsty, you can eat if you want but eating your favorite meal doesn't bring you more joy than filling your mouth with dirt. If you were a bodybuilder in your life now you can workout all day forever withot ever feeling tired or like you're making any progress, doing 10 squats makes you feel good or tired exactly as if you do 1000 squats, in fact, you'll be as good as if you don't workout because it can't bring you any benefit of sort, you're already happy and you wouldn't get a greater feeling of accomplishment not even after a full day of training. Meeting with your friends will be pointless because you can't feel sad when they're not around or miss them and they can't feel sad or miss you when you aren't around either, being with them would be exactly as joyful as if you're not with them, you can also have a walk on lava, or jump from a skyscraper if you want to because you aren't only immune to pain but you're also invulnerable and don't feel fear or get scared... still, you'll not experience anything from doing it because at the end you'll be happy has much as if you didn't do it. Thinking about the loved ones that didn't make it to "Heaven" will be meaningless because you can't feel sad or cry and so you'll don't just feel nothing for the dear ones that you'll never see again (there can't be apathy in "Heaven", so you can't even have neutral feelings), but instead you'll feel happy about them burning in Hell and rejoice their absence. You'll never laugh at a joke anymore because you'll always be laughing in the land of neverending joy, probably at this point if there's still a sparkle of sanity in your mind you end up realizing that your Heaven is in fact a nightmare and your god is most probably an eldritch horror that is feeding on your insanity, but you can't find the strenght to care about it, what you care now is dopamine hits, just dopamine hits, forever.
Yeah, Xtian descriptions of heaven just demonstrate they have no concept of eternity nor of the basis for emotions.
There was a Twilight Zone episode like this. A man gets everything he wants, can’t lose when he gambles, etc. He gets bored when there is no risk and no chance of loss. He comes to realize that he is actually in hell.
Never mind all that; in Heaven, can I boink a hottie?
Reminds me of the game We Happy Few where everyone takes drugs to only ever feel happy and how the world went to hell from it
you just described hell to me
A follow up question: so people were killed/suffered because they spread the word of the one true god, why did it let that happen?
18:50 Ray Comfort Alert
I am so glad that Australian dude finally cleared up the chicken and the egg debacle.
Well at least Creaky Blinder does not have an accent
The embarrassing thing is that I used these kind of arguments until 4 years ago....
I believed them too buddy. I longer time ago, but it all sounds childish now.
The positive is that you no longer do!
Why does it sound like Sean is talking to a class of 10 year olds?
I was gonna say 5 year-olds, but hey.
10 jarigen. Kan lastig worden. Ze kunnen vragen stellen die hij niet kan beantwoorden.
@@MrCanis4 Haha i see a lot of people who say they were asked to leave childrens religious groups because they asked questions.
He forgot to answer some clear problems with the suffering. How about the three year old, born in a Muslim family, who dies of something horrible? Does the child go to heaven or hell?
nobody's ever died for a lie --- LOL
Nah, faithful fools with death wishes are purely the stuff of other myths, couldn't have been their all-wise guys ;P.
I look outside and I see evidence of evolution everywhere
Did anyone else think this guy looks like a chubby old version of SciManDan?
I doubt he could do the marathons SciManDan runs.
I'm new to your channel and I am wondering if there is a video explaining Lisa the rainbow giraffe 😅 I enjoy your content thanks again
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