There needs to be a Law named after apologists like this that says the amount of confidence is inversely proportional to the amount of making a goddamn point and opposite of the quantity of any sort of freaking evidence. Hell, let's just call it that. The Law of Apologetics: Confidence = (1/points) * -1(evidence)
@@pierrelahaie6359 I was thinking, no it's much worse, but you're exactly right. He throws in words and concepts that are common in theism to make it seem sensible but it's just word salad and people with have to convert it to ideas and then the emotional manipulations Mike used encourage them to do that with wishful thinking and they come to the conclusion that god and Mike are genius and super kind and loving. And Mike and many people then defend it with a big dose of utilitarianism and say:" Well, it inspires people to be kind, so who cares?" And then I suggest to get people to worship a narcissist and be kind, or else, and they'll be like, no no no, that's abusive. 🤷
@@condorboss3339Yes, and he doesn't need to ask you for your bank account info, not when he has a whole religion to guilt you into handing it over willingly.
-What is my purpose? -you pass butter - but I want to be a singer and bring joy. - your purpose is whatever I want you to do. -but...free will? - I'm omnipotent, it doesn't exist. - oh my Lisa
I'm with you. I was ten when I first questioned the existence of a god. My "purpose" is the one I have decided upon - just like every person in the world.
I been an atheist longer than I known i was, but similar age as you, & im not a good person, im just a person capable of theft, rape, & murder if the scenario calls for it 😂 tupac said i aint a killer but dont push me, i say push me we will find out together ❤
If you understand it then the book is literal if you don't understand it then the book is metaphorical. You can pick and choose which parts of the book is metaphorical and literal
Believing in a god is such a strange concept to me, I grew up in an atheist household and god is not needed to live a good life. My dad was such a good man with great principals and yet he didn't go to church or read the bible. Then when I left home and had roommates I saw how guilty they felt doing things that the bible or church didn't approved of and it baffled me, I felt so sorry for them.
God is necessary for any moral good or evil to exist in reality. You are writing checks atheism cannot cash. Atheism is morally bankrupt, evacuating any and all real moral significance to life.
I just find it so hard to believe in something you can not see or hear or have any evidence of, such a waste of what appears to be our only life trying to please some oddly neurotic being who wants many billions of people worshipping him. Seems so illogical. Stop preaching to me as I will never believe in such odd beliefs.
@Keggek Risen from the dead? Non Christians, like Romulus and Osirus came back to life long before Jesus was born. Eternal life? The Egyptians were building massive pyramids thousands of years before Jesus to help get them into the afterlife (The Pharoh would get to the afterlife and then once there he would help his subjects get there too). And "seen things" - faith healing has been debunked and speaking in tongues occurs in religions other than Christianity.
"Guys, if I can't get on my hands and knees everyday and suck up to invisible sky daddy, than what's the purpose of living? If I can't stroke invisible sky daddy's massive ego, then what's the point" -Mike Winger, probably
Unspoken, but implied by Mike Winger "I am the (self-proclaimed) mouthpiece of God, so when you want direct access to God, DONATE to me and not the other preachers and prophets.
I have to leave the thumbs up at 69, so I'll just say that part of my personal -need- meaning in life is to get up my knees and suck and stroke my daddy :) So I can kind of relate with Winger here. But mine causes Earthquakes, so there :p
Yeah no if "love me unconditionally or be punished forever!" are your terms, then I'm not gonna love you because that is the mentality of a dictator/abusive parent.
Well, as an atheist...if I had a hammer...I'd hammer in the morning...I'd hammer in the evening...all over this land. I'd hammer out danger. I'd hammer out warning. "I'd hammer out love between the brothers and the sisters...all over this land." But, that's just me, Peter, Paul & Mary.
I was a Christibob from mid-teens to thirties. I treat people decently because I want to be treated that way, and I like to make people feel comfortable around me.
@@thetalkingbear Great to hear that. 99% of people who have ever lived on this plane have never believed, let alone heard of one particular god. I am very strongly convinced that the overwhelming majority still had a hard but solid, sincere and fulfilled life. And as you find out for yourself, you don't need a god for a decent morality. On the contrary. Religions divide people into groups, these groups compete with each other over people, land, resources and ultimately for power. But I'm not saying this is an exclusively religious thing, this is a 'group' thing.
When we were raised as Christians we were taught that our goodness came from God. But what I've observed is that people are good, or people are not good, and they are going to use their religion either way. If you're a good person, then you'll probably be a decent Christian. If you're a bad person then you will use Christianity to harm others, and deflect, gaslight, and justify that because what they think the Bible is telling them to do.
Your words almost makes me want to hug him. But... it's Mike and I'd change my mind and do something else. I better stay away from him. I would just give him a headache.
Holy Burger-Flipper? Anointed Sales Clerk? Oh, I know; Righteous Stripper. Nailed it (with a tool designed for something other than hitting nails, naturally).
If his god exists, there is no free will because we don’t get to choose our purpose in life. He wants to live under a god’s thumb. That vision sounds horrifying to me.
That's a ridiculous comment. Free-will doesn't mean unlimited options. Atheism is foolish. Atheism reduces you to a soulless chemically deterministic machine with zero possibility of free-will. Madness.
@@anthonysmith8800 If you have a Mike Winger everything looks like a nail. Edit: Holy shit! I didn't even see that pun, let alone intend it. The manipulative jackass has a video explaining how a bible verse about a lion is about jesus because the lion bites someone (probably innocent) in the verse and teeth are like nails and nails are used to -keep the chains from falling aff of the pole- nail Jesus' hands and feet to the cross (probably because crucifixion sounds like a cross or some shit, I dunno, seems kind of expensive and unnecessary to use a cross when you have poles and the Romans agreed, so... where was Jesus executed again?) and therefor it's a prophecy about Jesus and christianity is true.
My dadmakes me watch this guy on Sundays for "worship" but ive never really seen anyone else talking about him, its quite nice. Also, you sound like clavicus vile. Subscribed.
Mr Winger seems to have a purpose that he has chosen which is to be annoying. The purpose he proposed is a dark, hopeless vision - mankind is a cosmetic that has no purpose other than to make it feel important. The premise that Jesus was sacrificed to redeem all of humanity but (in his stated beliefs) we are still sinners who must give their lives over to Christ to avoid eternal punishment, is absurd. The "sacrifice" made no difference, it seems.
It's truly remarkable how humble Xtians are, in that they can find proof of gawd in the absolute certainty that they can only exist if they have a predetermined "purpose for being."
Is that timer behind Mike meant as a "number of days since Mike Winger was an international embarrasment"? In that case it needs to be set to zero again
Yes, believers really do think about, wonder, and pray about what their purpose is. They even have tests to find out what are your spiritual gifts are to guide you. The tests are rubbish. They ask what you like & what you do, then tell you those are your gifts.
He really is furiously tugging his philosophical wang, isn't he? The glee that drips out every now and then is priceless! This is just about the best example of self-deception I can ever remember seeing.😆 ✌️❤️
@Sick to Death, I had a debate with a Christian and I asked him to prove his claim that God exist. I wish I was making this up but it was an actual debate. Christian: " You being here proves God exist." Me: " No, me being here proves my parents had sex." Christian: " Your parents being here proves God exist." Me: " No. My parents being here proves my grandparents had sex." Christian: " Well Adam and Eve being here proves God exits." Me: " Prove Adam and Eve existed." Christian screams I hate God, I'm going to hell and slams door as he runs away. LOL
Hammers aren’t designed to hit nails. They are designed to transmit energy down to a small surface area. What that energy goes into depends on circumstances, of which driving a nail is one. Some hammers have multiple surfaces with different utility such as a claw-like bisected wedge on the back. We find hammers in nature all the time. We typically just call them rocks. Rocks were not designed and they have no purpose, but, like humans-like anything in nature-they have features that can be adapted depending on circumstance. If that feature is used long enough in a given circumstance, it gets better at that thing. Until, one day, a stupid ape comes along and claims it was meant for that one thing all along.
@@LadyDoomsinger _"If a sentient hammer came up to me and said: "I don't want to hammer things anymore," I'd absolutely respect it's decision."_ Damn it. Now I can't wiggle my way out of phsyically abusing Mikes head to remodel tha bathroom. Can I get you a coffee instead perhaps? You seem like a good person who doesn't make excuses and exceptions like I sometimes really want to make with people like Mike :p
Hey, tick! You are beautiful floating circle that Lisa the rainbow Giraffe made. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thanks for content and much love to you 💕
Well, technically Tick made Lisa and fans project their kindness onto her as well, so... now you know why she's so kind and awesome ;) She's the fucking best and so are you!
@@RainbowFlowerCrow Thank you very much! And with you! 🍃 Today I learned that a moorhen is a word 🤣 I'm am the worst adept. Good thing Lisa is cool about pretty much everything, or I'd be in serious trouble 🤣
Mike is a professional manipulator he learned it from the best: theists are trained in not literally saying what they imply with the purpose to let people wishful think in the blanks. Pun not intended, but blanks, you know, do nothing, just as everything they think their god does. I killed the joke yet? Let it sit for three days, if it's a good one it will get up all by the glory of god.
The problem with the hammer analogy is that ultimately, a hammer's purpose is designated by the person using it, not the person who made it. If I buy a hammer because I need a weapon, or a paperweight, or I want to take it apart and use it in a piece of modern art, then that is what that hammer's purpose is. The person who made the hammer cannot say I'm using it wrong, because it's accomplishing what I want it to accomplish.
And I of my pantheistic phase and my garden and the moment someone said:" What you're describing is the universe, why call it something else." Now I'm a physicist.
It doesn't matter what purpose something is designed for. When I worked at Circle K (a convenience store) one of the many utensils I had access to was a metal pizza wedge, that it one of those little spatulas for getting pizza slices. That is the one thing it was NEVER used for (you used tongs to get slices of pizza). It was my box cutter, my ice chisel, and the thing I used to get hotplates up to wash them. I had about 2 or 3 other things I used them for, but never for pizza.
So let me see if I get this correctly. Adam and Eve were real and the only two people on Earth. They had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Who did Cain, Abel and Seth marry? Moreover, after Cain killed Abel he was marked so other people would know his crime. What other people? Right from the beginning it makes no sense yet they insist it is the basis of all understanding.
There's plenty of problems with the Bible. This isn't one of them. They had more kids after Seth (Gen 5:4). No numbers or names given, just "he begat sons and daughters". And Abel wasn't in much of a state to marry anyone.
2:05 duh. We all give ourselves and each other value and purpose. There doesn't NEED to be any "transcendent" ones. "Wing-nut" Winger is merely asserting his *emotional desire* for there to be a transcendent purpose, because he's too scared to think for himself and face reality like a big boy.
Theist: "Without god you have no purpose in life!" Atheist: "So what is your purpose?" Theist: "I'm tying to figure that out." Athesit: "Good, meanwhile we'll figure out a cure for smallpox and eradicate polio, let me know how that purpose of yours is coming along!"
The problem with the first argument about purpose is that if everything is designed, everything has purpose. The random thing that formed in the forest to look like a hammer was made that way, and if you used it as a hammer that would be its purpose. In this worldview there isn't anything to distinguish design, intent, or purpose, nor the relative value of one against the other - literally everything that happens is the ultimate purpose for that thing.
I'm sorry but his background set up hurts me on a personal level. It's just so eclectic with that edison bulb, and that guitar so you know he's hit with the cool Gesus.
@@WhiteScorpio2 Yeah, but GRAPE SHOT is right. It's just that christians don't read the words but the wishful thinking they projected in between the lines, so their opinion on that doesn't really count. Secular scholars agree it's Moses 2.0 and that Moses is just anohter fictional character following certain story telling patters that fitted the culture where you can't be a king unless you're born from royal blood and you can't be a hero unless you're born from hero blood and you have to shove in some magic shit to boost power otherwise your character is demoted to manhood and that is sad because ordinary men aren't born from gods or kings or heroes and yada yada.
I made a hammer once. I found an old hammer head, cleaned it off, made a handle, bought some wedges, and I made that hammer. My purpose was solely to amuse myself a while. When I was done, that hammer had no purpose at all. It was clumsy and awkward, and I was a student. I never used it for anything. Another time, I bought a hammer to pound nails with, so I could build a building, so I could get paid, so I could eat. That hammer's purpose was to feed me. Whinger there's purpose is to be a doof.
"If we're all the body of christ why do they eat waffers at communion and not corpse bits?" is something you could actually the guy this video is responding to and just send him spiraling for an hour.
I think it was matt dillahunty said it well, "Why do people that would pissed off if their parents or goverment told them who they could marry or what would be their job think it's fine when it's god?
Sounds like Matt. And I worry that you and I know the answer to that rhetorical question: It's fine to force others, just don't force(try and convince) the cishet fascist to let you have your freedom.
I've never made any decision in my life based on my conception of what my purpose is. I have desires and values, and those compel my decisions and actions all the time. I didn't go into IT because I felt like I had some cosmic calling to do so, I did it because it's stable, interesting, engaging, and fulfilling work for which I have an aptitude. It seems like "purpose" is just a buzzword people throw around as if it has some grand impact on our lives but in reality no one really drives any part of their life with it, in part because people seem to generally be so stumped by the concept in the first place. Edit: he even admits as much when he says that you can fulfill this ultimate purpose through almost any choice you make, so it's not a driving factor in anything, it's something you should align those things to after the fact. But why? He doesnt give any reason to do this.
The dead giveaway that Mike is talking out the side of his face from start to finish is when he says everyone's purpose, including atheists, is to love "god." Anyone who says something so clueless needn't be heeded.
When he talks about "doodies", I'm just reminded of a certain "duty-to-do card" from Black Books' "Manny Come Home" episode - ruclips.net/video/tvdiC-VkxQc/видео.html
He really thinks he said anything more than "your purpose is to worship god in everything you do". He said all that, to try and intellectualize what he even pretty much said isn't really enough of an idea of purpose.
That's the aim, but chances are that where we manage to improve things with the help of others, things outside our control can tip the balance to worse than we found it. But you know, I'm fine with that, it's not my purpose to improve what I can't improve. I want to maintain and increase what's worth living and fighting for. As long as there's something to laugh about and someone who loves and learn and I have a breath in me, I'm here for it! I'll live, love, laugh, and learn and show by example how awesome that is for me and people around me.
@@kellydalstok8900 11/16ths are hard. But you can totally sing, in the melody of that glory halleluya thing, the psalm: happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks, Happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks, Happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks, Glory to our LOOOOOOOOOORD :D All together now! Glory, Glory, halleluuuuuuuuuuya! Glooooooory, gory halleluuuuuuuuuhuuuuuyaaaaaa! Glooooory holey Halleluuuuuhuyaaaaa! (All the) Glory to our LOOOOOOOORD
They could lead a more productive life. Just think of all the money, energy and time that was wasted on building all those churches. If that had been used to study the world around us and the universe, humans could have colonized the Moon and Mars by now, conquered diseases.
Tha phuque? That's exactly what I said? Did he say something like that? I didn't listen to a word he said, his drivel is old and changes nothing. How did you get to that explanation?
Uhhh…so listening to this one, this is quite possibly the most…let’s see…se*ual thing I have ever heard. “Intimately” “Deep personal relationship” “satisfying” “act of love to God” Like does he even hear himself??? 🤮 Thank you SkepTic for the help getting through this one!
Can't say I find the concept of 'We have no purpose' to be particularly scary, or troublesome... or worthy of thought at all. Now 'Our purpose is to glorify god forever' on the other hand, sounds like a nightmare.
And my wife would be very jealous if I worshiped someone else without her asking me. Nah, I'm just kidding, she'd find me silly and it would just take time away from my worshiping her and it would add to no one's happiness or well being if I tried to drink Jesus's fluid and eat him, so I find it a waste of time.
OK. Watched it. Our purpose in life is to kiss god's butt and, if we do it the right way, he will reward us with an eternity of kissing his butt afterwards.
How self important and egotistical do you have to be to believe an all powerful being went out of its way to design you specifically to fill a need that this all powerful being had.
It's really creepy to think that an all powerful, all knowing God is such a massive narcissist that he demands praise from creatures that are grossly inferior to Him.
And then some. Luckily there's no indication that the asshole exists. Then again, Bionic Dance promised to help kill him if he did, so that would be really cool :D
Mike Winger eerily reminds me of the grade school religious zealots I had to navigate on the playground as a kid. They might be trying to sound like they imagine "godly people" should sound, but the unjustified confidence in their beliefs just come across smug AF.
That's awful. I am sorry that you knew such people. He reminds me of fascists who (emotionally) manipulate the government and/or populations to agree with inhumane rules and laws. I only know those from books and TV - I have never met a politician in real life. I probably know or have known such people, but I have always shoved people like that in the category: not honest, avoid.
@@JimCastleberry Well, it sure seems no god exists, so, sorry, but there’s no objective purpose for your life. I’m perfectly comfortable with that, but even if I weren’t, there’s nothing I can do about it. Even if a god does exist, why would that mean there’s an objective purpose for your life? What do you think the objective purpose of your life is? How is my existence an accident if my parents wanted to have a child and created one intentionally?
@@sledzeppelin I don't know what permits you to claim that it seems like no God exists. That's a radically implausible proposition. Like a man looking at a piece of wildly sophisticated engineering and design claiming, "it doesn't seem like it was created." But hey, If no God exists, you are correct, this Universe and your life is objectively meaningless, purposeless chemical accident of no real significance. Mass murder has no more real moral significance than swatting gnats or taking out the trash. Of course, you don't live your life consistently with atheism. Nobody does. Atheism is absolute madness if taken seriously.
@@sledzeppelin Of course, if God exists, then this universe and life within is created with intrinsic / objective purpose. The meaning and purpose we all directly apprehend in our spirit (soul) has a foundation in reality. Mass murder has real moral significance beyond swatting flies. Love is really better than malice and exploiting others, etc. We really DO have free-will to choose and our lives really do have lasting significance. Atheism erases all that.
I almost hope Mike stays as he is all the rest of his life because his utter shame and pain at the realization of how ridiculously pathetic he sounds would be truly horrible. He, like so many others, insists on taking his fantasy role playing game far too seriously.
@@kellydalstok8900 Enthusiasts for the game getting together to encourage each other in their fantasy? Sure, but their game goes on every waking moment they believe.
To me, the entire argument boils down to this: “Here is a long list of shit that I believe. And if I believe them, then these are the things that I believe” and as irrational, simple and circular as this obviously is, that is all it is.
Well, he also connects all kinds of weird unrelated things to pretend he has -a reason- an excuse to believe what he believes and that you should be convinced because those are _obviously_ related, like duh, you're a fool if you can't see that, says so right there in the bible in different words, but the words fit if you Winger them a little.
"Your duty as an atheist is to love god!"
He neither comprehends what an atheist is nor what love is.
You made my day 💛 Thank you.
Prolly coz he never got any
I tried loving my neighbour as I love myself once... things got very weird very quickly!
LEL...! xD
+Alfonso La Pulce, writes _"things got very weird very quickly!"_
The best experiences always do...
I dp covet my neighbours Ass though, he runs a lot.
My second neighbour got a restraining order against my loving my neighbour as myself.
The first one died after an overdose of nicotine and alcohol.
🤷
The confidence in his delivery of absolute drivel is borderline impressive.
The whole time I kept thinking “he can’t possibly be convinced by what he is saying.”
There needs to be a Law named after apologists like this that says the amount of confidence is inversely proportional to the amount of making a goddamn point and opposite of the quantity of any sort of freaking evidence.
Hell, let's just call it that. The Law of Apologetics: Confidence = (1/points) * -1(evidence)
lol or maybe just Borderline
Yes the definition of word salad.
@@pierrelahaie6359 I was thinking, no it's much worse, but you're exactly right.
He throws in words and concepts that are common in theism to make it seem sensible but it's just word salad and people with have to convert it to ideas and then the emotional manipulations Mike used encourage them to do that with wishful thinking and they come to the conclusion that god and Mike are genius and super kind and loving. And Mike and many people then defend it with a big dose of utilitarianism and say:" Well, it inspires people to be kind, so who cares?" And then I suggest to get people to worship a narcissist and be kind, or else, and they'll be like, no no no, that's abusive.
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You know when you’re asked to love a son of a King you’ve never met for future treasures it’s a scam right?
God is a Nigerian Prince?
@@condorboss3339Yes, and he doesn't need to ask you for your bank account info, not when he has a whole religion to guilt you into handing it over willingly.
A rich Nigerian Prince and lucky us we have a special relationship with him and 🎉he’s DEAD too…
and you will be forever rich.
What a great analogy
@Bad_Mojo but only after you're dead and can't report back on the experience. Sounds legit.
Nice
-What is my purpose?
-you pass butter
- but I want to be a singer and bring joy.
- your purpose is whatever I want you to do.
-but...free will?
- I'm omnipotent, it doesn't exist.
- oh my Lisa
Mike Winger's version of Christianity seems to be to put the cart before the horse, then full speed ahead until death.
lol sounds accurate
I've been an atheist since age ten. I'm a good and decent person with purpose in my life. No supernatural entity required or desired.
I'm like you I've been an atheist since I was twelve and I can't understand how intelligent people can fall for that crap.
I'm with you. I was ten when I first questioned the existence of a god. My "purpose" is the one I have decided upon - just like every person in the world.
I been an atheist longer than I known i was, but similar age as you, & im not a good person, im just a person capable of theft, rape, & murder if the scenario calls for it 😂 tupac said i aint a killer but dont push me, i say push me we will find out together ❤
@@knarf_on_a_bike but but but my imaginary friend agrees with the one I picked! You’re doing it wrong. Mike says so.
Oh be honest, you just hate god and want to rebel against him, right? /s
There is truly magic in this moldy dusty old book: you can make it say anything and the opposite as much as you want..... what a gem for scammers!
If you understand it then the book is literal if you don't understand it then the book is metaphorical. You can pick and choose which parts of the book is metaphorical and literal
Thank you for sitting through this guy's self-rectal-inspection.
Belly button gazing?
@@B.S._Lewis That's not the part of anatomy that 'rectal' refers to…
@@jursamaj I know. I was doing a throwback to the video. But with all the doodie talk, rectal works too.
So the rest of us didn't have to...
@B.S. Lewis Nah, nothing so polite. Btw, love your handle.
Believing in a god is such a strange concept to me, I grew up in an atheist household and god is not needed to live a good life. My dad was such a good man with great principals and yet he didn't go to church or read the bible. Then when I left home and had roommates I saw how guilty they felt doing things that the bible or church didn't approved of and it baffled me, I felt so sorry for them.
God is necessary for any moral good or evil to exist in reality. You are writing checks atheism cannot cash. Atheism is morally bankrupt, evacuating any and all real moral significance to life.
I just find it so hard to believe in something you can not see or hear or have any evidence of, such a waste of what appears to be our only life trying to please some oddly neurotic being who wants many billions of people worshipping him. Seems so illogical. Stop preaching to me as I will never believe in such odd beliefs.
@@GeklmintendontofAwesomeWhy do you believe things that are not apparently true?
@Keggek Risen from the dead? Non Christians, like Romulus and Osirus came back to life long before Jesus was born. Eternal life? The Egyptians were building massive pyramids thousands of years before Jesus to help get them into the afterlife (The Pharoh would get to the afterlife and then once there he would help his subjects get there too).
And "seen things" - faith healing has been debunked and speaking in tongues occurs in religions other than Christianity.
@Keggek Define "life". Define "death".
What do these terms even mean? Why should we want or care about "eternal life"?
I think he is trying to convince himself, more than anything else.
he's trying to convince donors more than anything
Faith requires and encourages people to rationalize. This is exactly what Mike is doing. It's fucking sad and it makes me puke and my head hurt.
"Guys, if I can't get on my hands and knees everyday and suck up to invisible sky daddy, than what's the purpose of living? If I can't stroke invisible sky daddy's massive ego, then what's the point"
-Mike Winger, probably
Listening to this I just think it sounds pathetic.
Unspoken, but implied by Mike Winger "I am the (self-proclaimed) mouthpiece of God, so when you want direct access to God, DONATE to me and not the other preachers and prophets.
If that's all your purpose in life is, then you might as well be a bug.
I have to leave the thumbs up at 69, so I'll just say that part of my personal -need- meaning in life is to get up my knees and suck and stroke my daddy :) So I can kind of relate with Winger here. But mine causes Earthquakes, so there :p
I'm fulfilling my purpose, which is buying you some whiskey.
Don't let Sir Sic find out you're buying whiskey for someone else. Unless of course you're also buying substantially more for him.
Wrong British Atheboi.
Yeah no if "love me unconditionally or be punished forever!" are your terms, then I'm not gonna love you because that is the mentality of a dictator/abusive parent.
EXACTLY. I just commented something similar
Heck, I wouldn't accept "love me or be punished" - unconditional or otherwise, forever or short term.
I can only think of one situation where that line would be acceptable and it involves to consenting adults and aftercare.
I can't be the only one who finds it both hilarious and a bit creepy when Wingboy here says "enjoy [God] forever"... right?
As I reckon God is a tall, busty, beautiful red head, I'm sure it'll be fine.
oh yeah it's mega sus
Well, as an atheist...if I had a hammer...I'd hammer in the morning...I'd hammer in the evening...all over this land. I'd hammer out danger. I'd hammer out warning. "I'd hammer out love between the brothers and the sisters...all over this land." But, that's just me, Peter, Paul & Mary.
Lol 😆
I'd do the same if I had hammer, a bell, or a song
I was a Christibob from mid-teens to thirties. I treat people decently because I want to be treated that way, and I like to make people feel comfortable around me.
That's exactly what I'm trying to do, as an atheist.
@@MrCanis4 I'm closer to atheism than theism. I'm agnostic, teetering ever so slowly to unbelief.
@@thetalkingbear Great to hear that. 99% of people who have ever lived on this plane have never believed, let alone heard of one particular god. I am very strongly convinced that the overwhelming majority still had a hard but solid, sincere and fulfilled life.
And as you find out for yourself, you don't need a god for a decent morality. On the contrary. Religions divide people into groups, these groups compete with each other over people, land, resources and ultimately for power.
But I'm not saying this is an exclusively religious thing, this is a 'group' thing.
When we were raised as Christians we were taught that our goodness came from God.
But what I've observed is that people are good, or people are not good, and they are going to use their religion either way.
If you're a good person, then you'll probably be a decent Christian.
If you're a bad person then you will use Christianity to harm others, and deflect, gaslight, and justify that because what they think the Bible is telling them to do.
That guy is honestly sad and pathetic. He believes that his life has no meaning unless someone else tells him it does.
Your words almost makes me want to hug him. But... it's Mike and I'd change my mind and do something else. I better stay away from him. I would just give him a headache.
If the man can't reason his way out of a paper bag then is he falling back on the old God Of The Bags argument?
I don't have an invisible sky wizard in my life and I'm quite 😊
But you are a liar. Nobody believes in a sky wizard. Liars suck. Typical atheist trash.
and you know, we can live without fear of hell.
I still struggle to believe that adults say such things with a straight face.
Probably yoga!
Holy Burger-Flipper?
Anointed Sales Clerk?
Oh, I know; Righteous Stripper.
Nailed it (with a tool designed for something other than hitting nails, naturally).
If his god exists, there is no free will because we don’t get to choose our purpose in life. He wants to live under a god’s thumb. That vision sounds horrifying to me.
I’m not down!
That's a ridiculous comment. Free-will doesn't mean unlimited options.
Atheism is foolish. Atheism reduces you to a soulless chemically deterministic machine with zero possibility of free-will. Madness.
All religions are attractive to personalities prone to taking the submissive role in dominance relationships.
All religions are attractive to personalities prone to taking the submissive role in dominance relationships.
All religions are attractive to personalities prone to taking the submissive role in dominance relationships.
I love how he admits to being a tool.
Hmmm, not sure about that. Tools are useful!
🤣😂🤣😂
@@anthonysmith8800 If you have a Mike Winger everything looks like a nail.
Edit: Holy shit! I didn't even see that pun, let alone intend it. The manipulative jackass has a video explaining how a bible verse about a lion is about jesus because the lion bites someone (probably innocent) in the verse and teeth are like nails and nails are used to -keep the chains from falling aff of the pole- nail Jesus' hands and feet to the cross (probably because crucifixion sounds like a cross or some shit, I dunno, seems kind of expensive and unnecessary to use a cross when you have poles and the Romans agreed, so... where was Jesus executed again?) and therefor it's a prophecy about Jesus and christianity is true.
My dadmakes me watch this guy on Sundays for "worship" but ive never really seen anyone else talking about him, its quite nice.
Also, you sound like clavicus vile. Subscribed.
Mr Winger seems to have a purpose that he has chosen which is to be annoying.
The purpose he proposed is a dark, hopeless vision - mankind is a cosmetic that has no purpose other than to make it feel important.
The premise that Jesus was sacrificed to redeem all of humanity but (in his stated beliefs) we are still sinners who must give their lives over to Christ to avoid eternal punishment, is absurd. The "sacrifice" made no difference, it seems.
Mike accidentally fell together between his mom's legs to resemble something like a person, but he has no self-determined purpose.
08:08
For being the 'ultimate guidebook for life,' the Bible is absolutely silent on most troublesome matters that come up in people's lives.
Not to mention it tells you some things are ok that really go against the mortality apparently written on our hearts.
It's truly remarkable how humble Xtians are, in that they can find proof of gawd in the absolute certainty that they can only exist if they have a predetermined "purpose for being."
I am still waiting for the return of Meat Loaf!!
As long as he leaves his followers confused af after watching, he's confident that they'll leave thinking he's won.
his followers were born confused
Is that timer behind Mike meant as a "number of days since Mike Winger was an international embarrasment"? In that case it needs to be set to zero again
Yes, believers really do think about, wonder, and pray about what their purpose is. They even have tests to find out what are your spiritual gifts are to guide you. The tests are rubbish. They ask what you like & what you do, then tell you those are your gifts.
"God's presence is present." This dude is way to deep for me.
He really is furiously tugging his philosophical wang, isn't he?
The glee that drips out every now and then is priceless! This is just about the best example of self-deception I can ever remember seeing.😆
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I'm pretty sure the entire time he was talking about God, Mike Winger was touching himself underneath the camera.
christians furiously deceive themselves at every corner
@@cookie5535 yes
@Sick to Death, I had a debate with a Christian and I asked him to prove his claim that God exist. I wish I was making this up but it was an actual debate.
Christian: " You being here proves God exist."
Me: " No, me being here proves my parents had sex."
Christian: " Your parents being here proves God exist."
Me: " No. My parents being here proves my grandparents had sex."
Christian: " Well Adam and Eve being here proves God exits."
Me: " Prove Adam and Eve existed."
Christian screams I hate God, I'm going to hell and slams door as he runs away. LOL
I bet he really likes the smell of his own farts.
I've seen quite a few of Mike Winger's videos and debates. He absolutely loves the idea of cringing before an authority.
You're 100% floating circle, 100% human and 100% Lisa.
The new trinity. But Hole-y. Because I’m a circle…
@@TheSkepTick Well, that is just sexy. What are you doing later this evening? Wanna go to a pub? ;)
Great one, as usual - keep up the good entertainment, education and of course, the giggles. Smiles from Capetown, South Africa.
Hammers aren’t designed to hit nails. They are designed to transmit energy down to a small surface area. What that energy goes into depends on circumstances, of which driving a nail is one. Some hammers have multiple surfaces with different utility such as a claw-like bisected wedge on the back. We find hammers in nature all the time. We typically just call them rocks. Rocks were not designed and they have no purpose, but, like humans-like anything in nature-they have features that can be adapted depending on circumstance. If that feature is used long enough in a given circumstance, it gets better at that thing. Until, one day, a stupid ape comes along and claims it was meant for that one thing all along.
If a sentient hammer came up to me and said: "I don't want to hammer things anymore," I'd absolutely respect it's decision.
@@LadyDoomsinger same. In fact, if I started finding sentient hammers, I’d be upset that I was using other hammers without their consent.
@@LadyDoomsinger _"If a sentient hammer came up to me and said: "I don't want to hammer things anymore," I'd absolutely respect it's decision."_
Damn it. Now I can't wiggle my way out of phsyically abusing Mikes head to remodel tha bathroom. Can I get you a coffee instead perhaps? You seem like a good person who doesn't make excuses and exceptions like I sometimes really want to make with people like Mike :p
Hey, tick! You are beautiful floating circle that Lisa the rainbow Giraffe made. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thanks for content and much love to you 💕
Well, technically Tick made Lisa and fans project their kindness onto her as well, so... now you know why she's so kind and awesome ;) She's the fucking best and so are you!
@4:37 *"DOODIES"* Lmao, that's giraffe tier humour 🦒
Nice one
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On a sidenote, the emoji collection needs a better hen. Chicken can refer to cowardliness. Lisa would not approve, leaf be upon her 🍃
@@stylis666 Leaf be upon her, and also with you! 🍃
@@RainbowFlowerCrow Thank you very much! And with you! 🍃
Today I learned that a moorhen is a word 🤣 I'm am the worst adept. Good thing Lisa is cool about pretty much everything, or I'd be in serious trouble 🤣
@@stylis666 Right? Thank Lisa for Lisa, (Leaf be upon Her)! Moorhen! 🍃
Mike never really said what the 'ultimate' purpose is in the 'afterlife'
Best I can tell is theists think the 'ultimate' purpose after life is eternally vibing with imaginary super-bestie
Mike is a professional manipulator he learned it from the best: theists are trained in not literally saying what they imply with the purpose to let people wishful think in the blanks. Pun not intended, but blanks, you know, do nothing, just as everything they think their god does. I killed the joke yet? Let it sit for three days, if it's a good one it will get up all by the glory of god.
The universe's easiest copout "duty" : *Think nicely about Nothing occasionally. Wait for Nothing to pay you.*
What does he think a Guinea worm is 'designed' for?
Geez, he's more judgmental than my cat 🤔
Yep, and my cat has a face like a razorblade if I dont act fast enough.😂🤣
The problem with the hammer analogy is that ultimately, a hammer's purpose is designated by the person using it, not the person who made it. If I buy a hammer because I need a weapon, or a paperweight, or I want to take it apart and use it in a piece of modern art, then that is what that hammer's purpose is. The person who made the hammer cannot say I'm using it wrong, because it's accomplishing what I want it to accomplish.
you are one of the best
When he said a flower glorifies god by being beautiful, I immediately had to think of a penis plant.
And I of my pantheistic phase and my garden and the moment someone said:" What you're describing is the universe, why call it something else."
Now I'm a physicist.
Your joke about Mike 'winger' at 1:13 was hilarious!! XDXD
It doesn't matter what purpose something is designed for. When I worked at Circle K (a convenience store) one of the many utensils I had access to was a metal pizza wedge, that it one of those little spatulas for getting pizza slices. That is the one thing it was NEVER used for (you used tongs to get slices of pizza). It was my box cutter, my ice chisel, and the thing I used to get hotplates up to wash them. I had about 2 or 3 other things I used them for, but never for pizza.
So let me see if I get this correctly. Adam and Eve were real and the only two people on Earth. They had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Who did Cain, Abel and Seth marry?
Moreover, after Cain killed Abel he was marked so other people would know his crime. What other people? Right from the beginning it makes no sense yet they insist it is the basis of all understanding.
There's plenty of problems with the Bible. This isn't one of them.
They had more kids after Seth (Gen 5:4). No numbers or names given, just "he begat sons and daughters".
And Abel wasn't in much of a state to marry anyone.
3:42 okay, I know I’m really high right now, so forgive me for asking… is he really talking about sentient hammers frolicking with bananas?
Well, the banana is perfectly designed for the human hand, and so is the hammer...
2:05 duh. We all give ourselves and each other value and purpose. There doesn't NEED to be any "transcendent" ones. "Wing-nut" Winger is merely asserting his *emotional desire* for there to be a transcendent purpose, because he's too scared to think for himself and face reality like a big boy.
Thanks!
9:27 - "So... GENESIS..."
Um, it's called the MEGA DRIVE.
Is that digital counter in the background keeping score of all his salient points? It shows 1 so, obviously broken.
I don't know what I would do without my porpoise.. I guess I would have to swim down the river alone
Theist: "Without god you have no purpose in life!"
Atheist: "So what is your purpose?"
Theist: "I'm tying to figure that out."
Athesit: "Good, meanwhile we'll figure out a cure for smallpox and eradicate polio, let me know how that purpose of yours is coming along!"
The problem with the first argument about purpose is that if everything is designed, everything has purpose. The random thing that formed in the forest to look like a hammer was made that way, and if you used it as a hammer that would be its purpose.
In this worldview there isn't anything to distinguish design, intent, or purpose, nor the relative value of one against the other - literally everything that happens is the ultimate purpose for that thing.
I'm sorry but his background set up hurts me on a personal level. It's just so eclectic with that edison bulb, and that guitar so you know he's hit with the cool Gesus.
So their whole existence is to artificially boost the ego of their imaginary friend for doing nothing.
I'm sorry, but yes it is 😥
quite profound, aint it?
When it's all distilled down to the dregs, all Mike says is that he thinks X is better than Y. He could have done that in 10 seconds.
I thought jebus was the rebooted Moses.
Yeah, sorta
He's usually referred to as rebooted Elijah in the Gospels.
@@WhiteScorpio2 Yeah, but GRAPE SHOT is right. It's just that christians don't read the words but the wishful thinking they projected in between the lines, so their opinion on that doesn't really count. Secular scholars agree it's Moses 2.0 and that Moses is just anohter fictional character following certain story telling patters that fitted the culture where you can't be a king unless you're born from royal blood and you can't be a hero unless you're born from hero blood and you have to shove in some magic shit to boost power otherwise your character is demoted to manhood and that is sad because ordinary men aren't born from gods or kings or heroes and yada yada.
I made a hammer once. I found an old hammer head, cleaned it off, made a handle, bought some wedges, and I made that hammer. My purpose was solely to amuse myself a while. When I was done, that hammer had no purpose at all. It was clumsy and awkward, and I was a student. I never used it for anything.
Another time, I bought a hammer to pound nails with, so I could build a building, so I could get paid, so I could eat. That hammer's purpose was to feed me.
Whinger there's purpose is to be a doof.
Could use it for a doorstop.
And if a sentient hammer told me it didn't want to hammer anymore, I'd absolutely respect it's decision.
@@LadyDoomsinger They are sentient! They hurt my finger, and then i put the hammer down....
I love your style, Tick. Keep it up 👌
"If we're all the body of christ why do they eat waffers at communion and not corpse bits?" is something you could actually the guy this video is responding to and just send him spiraling for an hour.
I think it was matt dillahunty said it well, "Why do people that would pissed off if their parents or goverment told them who they could marry or what would be their job think it's fine when it's god?
Sounds like Matt. And I worry that you and I know the answer to that rhetorical question: It's fine to force others, just don't force(try and convince) the cishet fascist to let you have your freedom.
Thanks so much for making these. I love your videos.
Praise be, Lisa of the rainbow giraffe, leaf be upon her 🍃
I've never made any decision in my life based on my conception of what my purpose is. I have desires and values, and those compel my decisions and actions all the time. I didn't go into IT because I felt like I had some cosmic calling to do so, I did it because it's stable, interesting, engaging, and fulfilling work for which I have an aptitude. It seems like "purpose" is just a buzzword people throw around as if it has some grand impact on our lives but in reality no one really drives any part of their life with it, in part because people seem to generally be so stumped by the concept in the first place.
Edit: he even admits as much when he says that you can fulfill this ultimate purpose through almost any choice you make, so it's not a driving factor in anything, it's something you should align those things to after the fact. But why? He doesnt give any reason to do this.
I would like to “fellowship” with that jar of gummy bears.
Same. Couldn't stop looking at it. Lol.
Needs the lid left off for a few weeks first, but I'm with you.
@robertrissearbeobie5612 Praise Jar from whom all gummy bears flow!
The dead giveaway that Mike is talking out the side of his face from start to finish is when he says everyone's purpose, including atheists, is to love "god." Anyone who says something so clueless needn't be heeded.
When he talks about "doodies", I'm just reminded of a certain "duty-to-do card" from Black Books' "Manny Come Home" episode - ruclips.net/video/tvdiC-VkxQc/видео.html
That finger thig he did is he talking about Docking (look it up)?
He really thinks he said anything more than "your purpose is to worship god in everything you do". He said all that, to try and intellectualize what he even pretty much said isn't really enough of an idea of purpose.
When you breath your last, let go of life with this world better than when you found it? Anybody? Anybody?
That's the aim, but chances are that where we manage to improve things with the help of others, things outside our control can tip the balance to worse than we found it.
But you know, I'm fine with that, it's not my purpose to improve what I can't improve. I want to maintain and increase what's worth living and fighting for. As long as there's something to laugh about and someone who loves and learn and I have a breath in me, I'm here for it! I'll live, love, laugh, and learn and show by example how awesome that is for me and people around me.
Lol! I got an ad for the Dwell bible ap before the video 😅
Is the one over his left shoulder the number of days he has gone with no accidents?
Why do theist RUclips'ers always have a guitar hanging on the wall behind them?
For when they want to sing What a Friend We Have in Jesus.
@@kellydalstok8900 11/16ths are hard. But you can totally sing, in the melody of that glory halleluya thing, the psalm: happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks,
Happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks,
Happy are the ones who grab the little kids and dash their heads against the rocks,
Glory to our LOOOOOOOOOORD :D
All together now!
Glory, Glory, halleluuuuuuuuuuya! Glooooooory, gory halleluuuuuuuuuhuuuuuyaaaaaa!
Glooooory holey Halleluuuuuhuyaaaaa! (All the) Glory to our LOOOOOOOORD
What would xtians do with their time if the bible had been written in a way that didn't need endless explanation & excusing?
They could lead a more productive life. Just think of all the money, energy and time that was wasted on building all those churches. If that had been used to study the world around us and the universe, humans could have colonized the Moon and Mars by now, conquered diseases.
So Mike Winger thinks he's equivalent to a hammer. What a tool.
Tha phuque? That's exactly what I said? Did he say something like that? I didn't listen to a word he said, his drivel is old and changes nothing. How did you get to that explanation?
Uhhh…so listening to this one, this is quite possibly the most…let’s see…se*ual thing I have ever heard. “Intimately” “Deep personal relationship” “satisfying” “act of love to God” Like does he even hear himself??? 🤮 Thank you SkepTic for the help getting through this one!
I love you Lisa the rainbow giraffe leaf be upon you.😅. You are so hilarious
Thanks for this Skep, how you managed to sit through this silly presentation is beyond me.
Can't say I find the concept of 'We have no purpose' to be particularly scary, or troublesome... or worthy of thought at all.
Now 'Our purpose is to glorify god forever' on the other hand, sounds like a nightmare.
Terrifying!
And my wife would be very jealous if I worshiped someone else without her asking me.
Nah, I'm just kidding, she'd find me silly and it would just take time away from my worshiping her and it would add to no one's happiness or well being if I tried to drink Jesus's fluid and eat him, so I find it a waste of time.
"Yahweh or the Hahway" Groooan ;-)
Great video Skep!
So, he wants to love and know God the father,in the Biblical sense. That fellow has some daddy issues.
i keep wondering about that digital counter on the shelf... is that his live viewcount or what?
88 is what he gets on 88 videos...all self-liked.
Haven't watched the video yet, but the 'God Doodies' thing sounds icky and possibly contagious.
OK. Watched it. Our purpose in life is to kiss god's butt and, if we do it the right way, he will reward us with an eternity of kissing his butt afterwards.
Just had me a god doodie.. had to use the plunger.
How self important and egotistical do you have to be to believe an all powerful being went out of its way to design you specifically to fill a need that this all powerful being had.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 but he does need humans. He needs to have his butt kissed for eternity.
I can't help but hear him constantly say glorfing God, and I don't really think I want to know how one is supposed to do that.
Another great video. Keep up the good work.
Also, thank you for introducing me to Dallas Wade's content.
We don't need no stinkin' transcendental purpose!
It's really creepy to think that an all powerful, all knowing God is such a massive narcissist that he demands praise from creatures that are grossly inferior to Him.
And then some. Luckily there's no indication that the asshole exists. Then again, Bionic Dance promised to help kill him if he did, so that would be really cool :D
Televangelism 101: Your purpose is always to serve God. The best way to serve God is by giving me money. Baby needs a new pair of private jets!
Mike Winger eerily reminds me of the grade school religious zealots I had to navigate on the playground as a kid. They might be trying to sound like they imagine "godly people" should sound, but the unjustified confidence in their beliefs just come across smug AF.
That's awful. I am sorry that you knew such people. He reminds me of fascists who (emotionally) manipulate the government and/or populations to agree with inhumane rules and laws. I only know those from books and TV - I have never met a politician in real life.
I probably know or have known such people, but I have always shoved people like that in the category: not honest, avoid.
Wow, does this fella have a way to "measure what your real purpose is"? I can't wait to hear it!
If no God exists, your life is objectively purposeless accident - no matter what imaginary 'purposes' you make-believe for your life.
@@JimCastleberry Well, it sure seems no god exists, so, sorry, but there’s no objective purpose for your life. I’m perfectly comfortable with that, but even if I weren’t, there’s nothing I can do about it.
Even if a god does exist, why would that mean there’s an objective purpose for your life?
What do you think the objective purpose of your life is?
How is my existence an accident if my parents wanted to have a child and created one intentionally?
@@sledzeppelin I don't know what permits you to claim that it seems like no God exists. That's a radically implausible proposition. Like a man looking at a piece of wildly sophisticated engineering and design claiming, "it doesn't seem like it was created."
But hey, If no God exists, you are correct, this Universe and your life is objectively meaningless, purposeless chemical accident of no real significance.
Mass murder has no more real moral significance than swatting gnats or taking out the trash.
Of course, you don't live your life consistently with atheism. Nobody does. Atheism is absolute madness if taken seriously.
@@sledzeppelin Of course, if God exists, then this universe and life within is created with intrinsic / objective purpose. The meaning and purpose we all directly apprehend in our spirit (soul) has a foundation in reality. Mass murder has real moral significance beyond swatting flies.
Love is really better than malice and exploiting others, etc. We really DO have free-will to choose and our lives really do have lasting significance.
Atheism erases all that.
@@sledzeppelin If God exists, Led Zeppelin is objectively better than Justin Beiber : )
Well, I pulled that part outta my ass.
Zep rules!
My Doody is not in any way connected with my Porpoise.
I almost hope Mike stays as he is all the rest of his life because his utter shame and pain at the realization of how ridiculously pathetic he sounds would be truly horrible. He, like so many others, insists on taking his fantasy role playing game far too seriously.
So church is a weekly Comic Con?
@@kellydalstok8900 Enthusiasts for the game getting together to encourage each other in their fantasy? Sure, but their game goes on every waking moment they believe.
@@kellydalstok8900Just drop Comic from your statement and you nailed it!
@@vestafreyja There is that, yep!
To me, the entire argument boils down to this: “Here is a long list of shit that I believe. And if I believe them, then these are the things that I believe” and as irrational, simple and circular as this obviously is, that is all it is.
Well, he also connects all kinds of weird unrelated things to pretend he has -a reason- an excuse to believe what he believes and that you should be convinced because those are _obviously_ related, like duh, you're a fool if you can't see that, says so right there in the bible in different words, but the words fit if you Winger them a little.